published Friday, July 20th, 2012

5-at-10: Friday mailbag of Dooley, Tour de France and sports reality TV

From the "Talks too much" Studios, here we go...

From CelticVol

Hey 5@10,

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    Tennessee Coach Derek Dooley speaks to the media at the Southeastern Conference NCAA college football media days in Hoover, Ala. on Thursday.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

What were thoughts on Derek Dooley’s speech during SEC Media Days this week?


The tension and the magnitude of everything involving Dooley and the Vols made Thursday's appearance hugely important.

We thought he delivered a 600-foot homer. It was a smash. It's what he needed to say and it's what Johnny Vols Fans everywhere needed to hear.

In fact, behind commissioner Mike Slive's powerful opening statements about the place of programs and powerful people that were obviously directed at Penn State, Dooley's "You're not going to have Tennessee to kick around anymore," was the second-best sentence this week. (And when Les Miles is involved, that's saying something.)

Now Dooley and Co. have to back it up. But that was the case whether Dooley took the podium and went old-school, "Block and tackle... watch the film... play like you practice," or whether he came out swinging.

Well-played, Derek, well-played indeed.


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    Bradley Wiggins of Britain, wearing the overall leader's yellow jersey, rides in the pack during the 15th stage of the Tour de France cycling race over 158.5 kilometers (98.5 miles) with start in Samatan and finish in Pau, France, Monday July 16, 2012. (AP Photo/Laurent Cipriani)
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

From sportsfan,

For the Friday mailbag...Why is there no love shown for the Tour de France by the 5 at 10? I understand that it's alleged that some TDF participants may be spiking their systems with all sorts of performance enhancing substances. However, during the mid-summer sports lull, watching these guys climb mountains on bikes is mildly compelling, and for anyone who has ridden a bike, it is amazing (even under enhanced, allegedly, circumstances). Plus, it beats reality tv everytime in my book.


Fair question, and we're not sure we have a good answer for you. We'll start by saying those cats are amazing and what they are doing is mind-bending. Riding that terrain for that many days and that many miles is CUH-razy hard.

Plus, these guys are arguably the best in the world in the single activity that is most common among every human. Think about that: not everyone has hit a golf ball or a baseball or shot a basketball or thrown a football; but everyone has ridden a bike. So these guys are the top layer of talent of one of the biggest activity pools on the planet; well these guys, speed walkers and competitive eaters. (That said, the biking uniforms need work.)

As for our lack of TDF, well here are our three mea culpas.

First, we know very little about cycling — something that will change in the next year since the US championships are coming to town next May.

Second, other than Lance Armstrong, we're not sure we can name a single rider. Is Greg Lemond still riding? What Floyd "The Barber" Landis? (We're kidding. Mostly.)

Finally, the mid-summer sports lull never materialized this year. We're four weeks from the start of high school football for crying out loud, and looking in the rearview, there were not a lot of days that we can recall wanting for stuff.

That said, we should have done more. Brit Bradley Wiggins appears to have this thing wrapped.


From Mark A.

All you media folks threw out your SEC picks this week. What's the 5@10 think?

Thanks, and thanks for the 5@10.

Mark A.,

We think the SEC is stocked. As we said earlier this week, Arkansas would be the preseason favorite in every other conference in the country with the possible exception of the Pac-12, and the Razorbacks are a distant third in the SEC West. Cuh-razy.

OK, here are our picks, and we're going to give each category some analysis as only Les Miles could.

SEC champ: Alabama — Yes, they have to go to Baton Rouge, but the Tide are crazy talented, despite losing eight first-rounders in the last two years. They have the best offensive line in the country, a good senior quarterback and the best coach.

From pretend Les: "That's a team that has a great coach and a quarterback, and every team has to have those and the want to be a team that can be coached and quarterbacked at an extremely high level."

SEC East winner: Georgia — We like Aaron Murray a lot. We like Georgia's defense even more. Well, we like Georgia's defense with all of its suspended players back.

From pretend Les: "Games are not won on Twitter pages or in bars during the summer. They can be lost there, however."

SEC player of the year: Tyler Wilson, Arkansas — The Razorbacks are going to post pinball numbers; they had Wilson, running back Knile Davis and receiver Cobi Hamilton on the preseason All-SEC first team and their tight end was a second-team pick. This was a tough call, though, because Wilson, Murray, Tyler Bray and even Marcus Lattimore are going to get a chance to post some big-time numbers this fall.

From pretend Les: "When you have pieces and those pieces fit, the puzzle can be worked. And Wilson is the type of kid that can figure out those pieces. He's their Puzzler."


From Mr. Burns

I have just started reading the 5-at-10. It's pretty good.

That said, can you please find something else to talk about than Joe Paterno? Turn the page already and all this blah blah blah does nothing.

There has to be more out there.

Mr. Burns,

First off, thanks for reading and welcome to the show. Secondly, if your name is really Mr. Burns, OK. If it's a tribute to "The Simpsons," exxxccellent choice.

Yes, there are a slew of things to discuss, and maybe we have spent a few too many words on the Penn State tragedy, but this is the single worst sports scandal ever. And not talking about it — especially when someone makes bone-headed statements like Missouri coach Gary Pinkel defending Paterno and saying, "you can't take away the greatness of this man" — is not an option either.

Plus, while we know we talk too much, is there a person on the planet that needs to avoid a platform, camera and microphone more than Jay Paterno right now. Every time he speaks it revives the story and gets jabber-jaws like us riled up again.

And to be fair, all this blah, blah, blah as you described it may do nothing, but saying and doing nothing as Paterno and the powers that be at Penn State did is far, Far, FAR worse.

(Side note: There were two other Paterno-related developments this week. Nick Saban suggested taxing Penn State tickets and giving that money to organizations that look out for children. We love this idea. Big Ten chairman Jim Delany is trying to come up with a way that allows commissioners to discipline schools and programs and could even fire coaches. We hate this idea.)


From First Timer

Hey, this is the first letter I have sent but have been reading a while. This week you mentioned Pete Rose's new reality show. I hate to admit it but I watch a lot of reality TV and think Pete 's show could be great.

What sports stars would you like to see on a reality TV show?

Tahnks and you do talk a bunch.


Wow, we had a lot of newcomers this week, which is awesome. And we had a lot of newcomers this week bring great questions, which is awesome in its awesomeness.

The key to quality reality TV — and yes, we realize the oxymoronic nature of the phrase "quality reality TV" — is mixing personalities. If you had five folks who were the same, that's not going to work.

So let's say we're going to take eight sports stars, have them live together and if they make it a year, they get something huge.

OK, since Rose is already off the board, we'll start with Terrell Owens, who is an Andrew Luck-level solid-gold, blue-chipper. We'll take Jose Canseco with our other pick of crazy. So that's T.O. and Canseco, two dudes that will be highly motivated because they are broke.

We'll add Roger Clemens to mix, and the chemistry between he and Canseco will be off the charts.

The next two will surprise you: Derek Jeter and Tim Tebow. Jeter is a notoriously private dude and renown lady's man; Tebow is Tebow. Trust us on this.

The next two are ladies: Lolo Jones and Lindsey Vonn.

That leaves one final pick and there are so many choices. Lawrence Taylor, Vick, Iverson, Rodman, Metta World Peace. What about Les Miles? This is tough, but if we get more than eight we run the risk of too many.

Wait. Of course, with our eighth and final pick, we take Mike Tyson and feel like we have just landed Tom Brady in the sixth round.

So the cast is T.O., Canseco, Clemens, Jeter, Tebow, Lolo, Lindsey and Tyson. Yes, we feel good about this.


about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

Do you wear a pretend Les hat when you channel Pretend Les?

Wikipedia says the The Babe's 575 footer is the longest dinger ever.

Did The Big 10/11/12 ever have a GOOD idea? I can't remember one.

Sportsfan, the doping does make me much less interested in the TdF. But I do want the TfP to cover the big event in Chattanooga like crazy.

And you really, really have to make room for Marion Jones in the reality show.

July 20, 2012 at 10:44 a.m.
Todd962 said...

A few years ago when I had hours to dedicate to senseless things on tv (I miss you college), I got drawn into the TDF. Its a lot like NASCAR or curling or less mainstream sports in the sense that to the casual viewer its going to appear incredibly boring, but once you take the time to learn and understand the strategies that are being implemented its better to watch. And if you dont have the time to dedicate to studying it, find you a bicycle, go downtown, and ride up Forest Ave on a nice summer day. Once the medical experts revive you, take a second to realize those guys are doing that all day at an incredible rate of speed. It will make you appreciate the sport a little more.

July 20, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

We have a large melon — figuratively and literally — but if we tried to wear a pretend Les Miles hat it would consume us.

No, the Big 10-12 is devoid of Big ideas. Legends/Leaders. This one. Whatever B1G is as a logo. Don't you know that everyone who grew up with Jim Delany sees him on TV and says," Isn't that Jim DeLoser, the kid we picked on in high school?"

And you know the TFP and our local blanket. We'll get it covered completely.

Marion Jones may have to wait for season two.

Mr. 962 —

Good call. And we miss the free time of college.

We used to live on Forest Ave., and walking up that sucker was a chore. What those guys do is amazing.

— 5-at-10

July 20, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
chas9 said...

OK. If not Marion Jones, how about volleyballer Jessica Dorrell? Or Misty May? Kerri Walsh? Holly McPeak? You always have to consider the camera angle possibilities when casting.

July 20, 2012 at 12:06 p.m.
deboman said...

Talk about a ratings bombshell, that house could definitely provide some quality action. Jeter’s pursuit of Lindsey and Lolo would be worth the price of admission. A few that could help provide a toxic mix to any season of the 5@10’s House of Misfit Toys: Sean Avery (This guys is just a total nutcase that would drive anyone, esp Tebow, bananas), Jon Daly(I know he’s had his own show, but then again, so has TO), and Clinton Portis (He could be a different character everyday).

Ahh the lost time that was the college experience. You don’t know the summer time sports lull until you've sat and watched America’s Cup racing. Once the layers were peeled back, we were looking forward to the next days pairing, and like good college boys, were able to make it a drinking activity (which aids in learning the rules of any new sport)

July 20, 2012 at 12:41 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

The Spy is feeling good about The Spy's picks for The Open Championship, the Spy said (that's an inside joke for 5, y'all). But seriously, I do like my picks. And howsabout Brandt Snedeker? Been a Snedeker fan since the 06 chattavegas classic. Didn't know if he was healthy, but it looks like he's feeling ok.

July 20, 2012 at 12:52 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Ah, the finer hours of drinking cases of Beast while making up rules for winter olympic events. Try watching Dodgeball with the rules of one drink for somebody getting hit, five for the head, ten for the groin. Amatuers need not apply. There are moments where the only break you get is to open another can.

ESPN seems to have forgotten the dash in front of a few of my players scores for the Openly Open Championship Championship...and for a brief period yesterday J.Rose had left the entire scoreboard. I got to 110th place and stopped to weep...

July 20, 2012 at 1:53 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

Mr. 962 I feel your pain on the Open, my man Mickelson is tied for 147th. I have also felt your pain with the Beast and other libations.

July 20, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
chas9 said...

Jay--Will the 5@10 post a contest leaderboard?

July 20, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Miss Dorrell is a good call too.

Debo —

We thought about Daly. Season II is starting to take shape with Daly, M. Jones, LT and maybe Milton Bradley (the baseball player that believes dinosaurs didn't exist and the moon landing was staged in an airplane hangar).

We have the sports drinking game match to betting on spring training baseball — America's Cup speed drinking.

Spy —

This is shaping up to be a nice leader board.

962 —

Beast was just that. And who anywhere ever drank Beast Heavy? No one right?


In retrospect, graduating to Keystone Light was a great day in our drinking maturation.

And Mickelson's game is broken.

— 5-at-10

July 20, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
deboman said...

Some phenomenal scores being posted on the board today. With a tourney like this, you could almost have a separate contest for biggest balloon score/round. At this point I will go ahead and consider Angel Cabrera as my 3rd and 4th round spectator after his scintillating +11 today. A-mazing. Watching the highlights yesterday, I have to say that this could be my favorite golf tourney to watch, if only because it makes the best of them look human (see big Phil) and makes the winner really earn it. Not to mention that the leaderboard has the ability to shuffle like none other. And tell me it wasn’t hilarious watching Phil lose a ball that landed about 10 ft away from him after hitting off the lip of the bunker.

Todd, sorry but wasn’t much on the Beast Light, was more of a Natty light man during those days. Granted this was perpetuated by being able partner with three friends at $5 each to get a keg,but hey, all part of College Economics 101 baby!

And get Coco Crisp in there with Milton, they could be a nice pair to throw together.

July 20, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Debo —

Two other great things about the British Open: The dude that announces the golfers at the first tee; and how when these guys hit their approach shots, it's like the ball is bouncing and then — POOF — there's the flag.

9er —

Yes we'll do a leaderboard here shortly.

— 5-at-10

July 20, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Here's a quick and rough leaderboard. Congrats OTWatcher who did not need Ernie Els in 10th place among his/her 5. (Here's saying there would be several folks willing to buy Ernie Els from you):

17 — OTWatcher — Els (10), Dufner (5), McDowell (5), Scott (2), Kuchar (5)

25 — wannabe — Tiger (3), Scott (2), McDowell (5), Z. Johnson (15)

28 — Weena — Dufner (5), Els (10), Z. Johnson (15), A. Scott (2), Donald (11)

31 — Spy — Zach Johnson (15), Jason Dufner (5), Luke Donald (11), Ernie Els (10), Graeme McDowell (5)

33 — scole023 — Woods (3), Els (10), Z. Johnson (15), Kuchar (5)

38 — Jefe — Adam Scott (2), Tiger (3), Bubba (28), Dufner (5)

42 — ThatIDoKnow — Zach Johnson (15), Donald (11), Stricker (11), McDowell (5), Mickelson (MC)

59 — Cobrakid8 — Lee Westwood (68), Zach Johnson (15), Louis Oosthuizen (28), Luke Donald (11), Matt Kuchar (5).

64 — 5-at-10 — Dufner (5), McDowell (5), Paddy Harrington (51) , Woods (3)

70 — BigBoy — Harrington, Mahan (39), Kuchar (5), Z. Johnson (15), Donald (11)

71 — Dawg747 — Harrington (51), McDowell (5), Kuchar (5), Westwood (68), Els (10)

72 — McPell — Jason Dufner (5), Mickelson (MC), Luke Donald (11), McIlroy (51), & Matt Kutchar (5)

82 — Mrs. 5-at-10 — Zach Johnson (15), Dufner (5), Westwood (68), Donald (11), Rory (51)

— 5-at-10

July 20, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
Todd962 said...

I would love to see the fight that would ensue after Pacman Jones tried to "make it rain" on Lolo Jones and Lindsey Vonn. And from what I've been reading about the extra curricular activities that are taking place in the Olympic Village, they need to have a Real World London, Olympic Edition.

Beast Story of the Day: A sub-21 962 is preparing to study for his Chemistry test that is the next day with a fraternity brother at the house. The two brain childs decide that they should give someone some money to go get them a six pack a piece to help them relax and study. "Heres $20, get us a twelve pack of beast please." 30 minutes later, older brother enters through the door "You owe me two more bucks. Here's your beer," as he passes us two cases of Beast ICE. "You mother..." (cold shiver remembering taste... As if the light was that much better than ice.) Moderation was not our strong suit at the time and I woke up the next day face down on a couch with the Chemistry book stuck to my face an hour after the test had started. Chemistry was just as nice the second time around.

July 20, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
Todd962 said...

In hindsight, the risk of picking Tiger wasnt whether he was going to perform or not, but rather being able to shed the boat anchor off the back side of your Rose...or Westwood. When you chose two it wouldnt have mattered much though. I appreciate the 5's discretion to not list people with totals that topped 150...

July 20, 2012 at 3:52 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

From what I've read today throw Melky & Chipper in the mix on the show.

5/10 - Phil needs to take a vacation away from golf. He wouldn't make the cut at Council Fire this week.

July 20, 2012 at 4:20 p.m.
tipper said...

No question--Florida should be ranked No.1 in the nation. Alabama has played cupcakes the whole season. Highly over-rated.

October 20, 2012 at 8:57 p.m.
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