published Friday, July 20th, 2012

David Cook: Columnist, atheist go to church

"Atheist is a word that scares people. It just means that I don't believe in God."

Meet Jennifer Ross.

She's 35, a graduate of Notre Dame High School, has blond hair and a quick and easy laugh. A lover of all creatures great and small, she spends uncountable hours as an animal rescue volunteer. Monday through Friday, she works in the real estate business.

And she doesn't believe God -- yours, mine, anyone's -- exists.

"I've had this belief since high school, and I remember questioning things since I was a little kid. I was brought up around Christianity. My grandmother was a Methodist. My other grandmother was a Presbyterian.

"I'd go to one church with one grandmother. They were so focused on helping the community and positive things. I'd go to the other church with my other grandmother and heard about hellfire and brimstone and I was a sinner going to hell.

"I was hearing two different things. How could both be right?"

Ross and I sat together for lunch on Thursday at a picnic table overlooking Grace Episcopal Church's community garden. As the high-noon church chimes rang, and the hot sun fell on zinnias, dill and basil plants, Ross ate a sandwich, drank a can of Pepsi and patiently answered my questions about her beliefs.

"When you die, you're dead. I don't believe in a soul. Although I do joke that my cat tries to steal mine at night.

"People have a need for religion. It can be helpful. It's a scary thing when a person dies ... [religion] eases the pain.

"But [growing up] I'd see or hear about all these horrible things and wonder: How can there be a god out there who made mankind, cares about them, gives them free will but then punishes them when they do what he doesn't want them to do?

"I wanted to believe all of this stuff, but it didn't make any sense. Something didn't feel right."

Ross said the most common misperception is that atheists have no morals or ethics.

"People assume I'm a Satanist. People think you have to have religion to have morals. If I found a bag of money here, I'd go to the church and ask if they knew whose it was. Then I'd call the police. I wouldn't do this out of fear of jail or hell, but because I know somebody out there is looking for this."

I didn't meet with Ross to convert or convince her. I just wanted to listen and learn. We have so much of the rest, so much of the you're-wrong shouting and closed-ear philosophies that distort belief in God into something that seems more like superstition, country club membership or political grandstanding.

Just look at the Hamilton County Commission.

Without grace or graciousness, the commission has turned a possible moment of reconciliation and understanding into a mini-religious war. Since being sued for its insistence on opening each meeting with a prayer -- in the name of Jesus -- the commission has insisted on its own way, thus making it quite obvious -- and sadly ironic -- that the side enacting a higher love-thy-neighbor-as-thyself standard are the people proposing the inclusive, everybody-belongs-here moment of silence.

"People for prayer feel their rights are getting trampled on," said Ross. "Those of us against prayer feel our rights are getting trampled on because we have to listen to it."

I wish the County Commission would invite Ross to speak -- instead of the moment of prayer -- to start their next meeting. It would send such a good message, an open hand of peacemaking and willingness that says the point of this is not to win, but to understand, reconcile and befriend.

Ross, the atheist, gets that. Why can't the County Commission?

about David Cook...

David Cook is the award-winning city columnist for the Times Free Press, working in the same building where he began his post-college career as a sportswriter for the Chattanooga Free Press. Cook, who graduated from Red Bank High, holds a master's degree in Peace and Justice Studies from Prescott College and an English degree from the University of Tennessee at Knoxville. For 12 years, he was a teacher at the middle, high school and university ...

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MalleusChristus said...

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

John 3:18 "He That Bbelieveth on Him Is Not Condemned: But he That Believeth Not Is Condemned Already, Because he Hath Not Believed in The Name of The Only Begotten Son of God." ROMANS 1:22 "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools..." 1 Corinthians 2:14 "But The Natural Man Receiveth Not The Things of The Spirit of God: For They Are Foolishness Unto Him: Neither Can He Know Them, Because They Are Spiritually Discerned."

July 20, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
annisisbell said...

I would be willing to say, ok, no more prayer by the commission. However, we pay a tax for the processing of Kosher food. We pay taxes that support Hebrew schools. Our children are being used as cannon fodder and our treasury bankrupted in wars to "rearrange" the middle east for israel. israel is now demanding that we attack Iran.

Our generals have retired or other wise refused to attack Iran, claiming it is suicidal and NOT in the interests of the United States.

The jew owned and controlled Federal Reserve bank prints our Dollars. It controls our economy. It can cause economic bubbles and depressions and every time something like this happens the jew rakes in the dough.

Every POTUS who ever tried to get rid of the Fed "co-incidentally" was assassinated. JFK issued an Executive Order getting rid of the Fed and he also attempted to prevent israel from getting nuclear weapons.

On the plane carrying his body back from Dallas to DC, Lyndon Johnson rescinded that Executive Order.

Later when the israelis attacked the USS Liberty in a false flag operation where Egypt was supposed to be blamed, Lyndon Johnson recalled the rescue ships and left our surviving sailors to die in the water after learning that israel was the real perpetrator.

I'd love to hear your thoughts about this Mr Cook. When will you interview someone who knows about the power, presence and control of jews in our country and government? Don't you think we have a right to hear about the role that judaism plays in our government while you encourage the persecution of Christianity?

It was jews that made our country diverse. Up until the 60s we were an ANGLO SAXON PROTESTANT nation. Kennedy had to reassure the people that if he were elected the Pope wouldn't control the government. Frankly I'd rather the Pope controlled the government than Netanyahu.

This is why I would support Christian prayer. We have more rights than jews to be in our own government. Furthermore our own motives are what is good for our people and our country and we have ZERO loyalty to a foreign nation. How much worse could you do to a people and a country than to get their precious children killed?

July 20, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Good stuff, great article, important perspectives.

As a non atheist who recognizes the therapeutic personifications offered by popular religion, it's often an uphill battle to find a church or a place of fellowship where my needs for intellectual engagement and legitimate discussion on these interesting and necessary topics can be found.

Most of the time, I'm disappointed in finding that those who partake in standard cut and paste, emotional religious fulfillment, or those who blindly subjugate their idea of God, can't or wont accept the natural realities that surround them.

Ol' MC above is a perfect example.

And what the heck is assisisisble talking about? If your gonna lay down that much mega lowbrow hoooey, you could at least shorten it up so folks don't waste so much time attempting to read it.

July 20, 2012 at 8:49 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Congratulations to Ms. Ross for figuring out that belief in fairy tales as historical and divine fact is dangerous to freedom and reason.

If the spineless County Commission determined that the majority of voters were Nazis, they'd be "Sieg Heiling" and swearing oaths of allegiance to Hitler.

MalleusChristus and annisisbell are cut from the same cloth--a Calvinistic white sheet of hatred from malformed and diseased brains, woven on looms of puritanical intolerance, stained with the blood of non-believers in their God's holy torture, while babbling about Jehovah's great love for humanity (if you're white).

Theocracy has proven to be as dangerous to liberty as any tyrant of a nation state.

Combine theocracy and political power, whether in America, Nazi Germany, the Vatican, Imperial Japan, Saudi Arabia, most Muslim countries, and the result is physical and intellectual imprisonment and murder, always in god's name.

If surrounded by political tyrants on one side, and theocratic tyrants on the other, start firing in all directions. Either will destroy your intellectual and physical freedom in their holy cause.

July 20, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
annisisbell said...

I have not made any personal attacks against others who wish to discuss this issue. I believe that others are as entitled to their opinions as I am and I would request the same respect and consideration. Liberals may think they know what is best for everyone else so perhaps they should stick to making their arguments based upon the subject rather than engaging in assassinating those who disagree with them.

The left uses stigmatization to tar their enemies and silence them which isn't very American. Call people names and suggest that they are evil or whatever and stigmatize them so they have no standing in society is a nasty game.

Naturally Nazis are always used by these who claim free speech but attempt to deny it to others. Why Nazis? Because Nazis have been stigmatized and are subjected to continual stigmatization just so those disagreeing with the left can be accused and attacked. People are already conditioned to respond in a certain way with merely the mention of the word Nazi.

The fact is that jews are doing the same things to Palestinians they claim Nazis did to them. But those on the left never let facts get in the way. They play upon people's emotions rather than appealing to their intellects.

jews under Stalin slaughtered tens of millions, not 6 million, tens of millions and jew Communism has caused more suffering and slaughter in the world than Nazis could ever have dreamed of. The Holodomer.

Furthermore The Holocaust is the only "historical" event that nobody is allowed to investigate using modern forensic technology. We just have to take jews' word for what happened. I'm waiting for when Southerns can have total control of the history of slavery. 100 million Anglo Saxon, Nordic, Aryan and Christian people were killed in the world wars and jews dragged us into both. Yet we must pockmark our landscape with holocaust memorials!

The Brits gave Palestine to the jews for getting us into WW1 and the jew dragged us into WW2 because they had been at war with Hitler for ten years and needed us to defeat him for them.

Jesus has been removed from the public schools but kids are not allowed to deny the new god, The Holocaust.

So once again I ask David Cook for an objective look at the issue of religion and separation of Church and State in America. This is not about the religion itself and its not about whether there is really a God and its not about what people believe. Its about jews persecuting Christianity which has played such a major role in the creation of Western Civilization. Its about why Christians are being discriminated against and attacked while jews take control of everything.

July 20, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
Easy123 said...

annisisbell aka Hitler Jr.

Keep your anti-semitism to yourself.

July 20, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Easy123 - the point is to demonstrate how I'm an anti semite. Do you think you can do that? Start by naming ONE (1) thing I have ever done to jews.

That should be easy shouldn't it? After all I've just named a few things that jews have done to us and I've not even scratched the surface.

So go ahead Easy123, people have a right to know. Tell the world one thing I've ever done to jews that justified you calling me an anti-semite.

We won't address your use of "Hilter" as a method of stigmatizing. It seems that sorta went right over your head. Your expertize is anti semitism.

July 20, 2012 at 1 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Little Hitler,

Example A: Refer to ALL of your previous posts.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/anti-semitism

Anti-semitism: hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group.

:-)

You are an anti-semite. Now, let's hear your rebuttal, Adolph.

Tell us all which group you're in:

July 20, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You are an antisemite.

There is no Kosher tax". The only jewish schools receiving tax dollars are those in states with vouchers. Voucher dollars can be used for any religious school.

You got these false stories from a white supremist site called "stormfront". (get it?) You are an antisemite through and through. You'd fit in well in 1930's Germany.

And no, Jews died in Russia. They were not the perpetrators.

July 20, 2012 at 2:43 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Telling people facts about jews is anti semitism??? Well if jews don't like for people to know what they do to us perhaps they shouldn't do the things they are doing. If I'm an anti semite for giving the facts about jews, then Anti Semitism must mean who the jew hates.

We do pay a Kosher tax on food. And jews do force us to pay for Hebrew schools in addition to killing our children in wars for israel and getting billions of dollars in aid guaranteed no matter what condition our economy is in. We have to borrow money from China to fight jews' wars and give them more aid than the poor countries of Africa and Asia receive from us.

I think that you are jew Supremacists. And those who pimp for blacks are Black Supremacists and the Muslims who forced their way into Middle Tennessee are Muslim Supremacists.

Now that we all know who everybody is and that we disagree BASED UPON RACE AND RELIGION, we can agree that diversity doesn't work.

Therefore jews should live in israel and muslims should live in the middle east and all the other races should go back to their homelands. Thanks for making that clear with your attacks upon the founding stock of this nation and acting like we have no legitimacy but should serve only what YOU want.

July 20, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.
LibDem said...

When annisisbell returns to his/her homeland, where will that be?

July 20, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

When annisisbell returns to his/her homeland, where will that be?

Hell

July 20, 2012 at 4:23 p.m.
annisisbell said...

ikeithlu - please learn about the Holodomer so you don't show your ignorance in public.

Also I suggest you read Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn's "The Gulag Archipelago". You will find his comments about jews and their creation and running of the Soviet Union very enlightening.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Gulag-Archipelago-1918-1956-Investigation/dp/0813332893

You might also get yourself informed about who owns and controls all of the wealth of Russia today. The Czar and Czarina Nicholas and Alexandra were Christian and were wealthier than European royalty or world jewry.

They and their children were killed by jews who then proceeded to make life hell on Earth with their communism.

You should think about what kind of people would set up Communism and people who would destroy freedom and modern civilization. I wouldn't want to be ruled by them.

We will repeat this history if we don't stop the destruction of our civilization that is being done by using hordes of non Whites.

Most people will not survive a One World Order just like jews killed tens of millions in Russia and Ukraine.

Today jew mobsters own and control all the resources and wealth of Russia, that's all they care about is money.

July 20, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

"When annisisbell returns to his/her homeland, where will that be?"

It will be reincarnated to the same form it is now—a dung beetle.

July 20, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Message for David Cook. Around the country liberal newspapers are failing. Only the most stupid and uninformed people buy into this garbage. Do you ever read the comments in response to your column and see the level of intelligence?

If I wrote a column and got these responses I would consider my life as being wasted. How do you go on? How can you justify writing for these people?

I hope you're writing a novel or something and just doing this on the side until you get published. Other wise you might find yourself ending up a barfly or worse.

July 20, 2012 at 6:15 p.m.
chaosmosis said...

Annisbell you may think you are entitled to your racist antisemitic opinions but you are as unamerican as you can get besides being irrelevant and off-topic. You are evil and hateful and should be stigmatized and ostracized for your insane stupid opinions. According to your own words you think you have more rights than other races, ethnicities, and religions. Don't come posting on a public site with your white supremicist KKK rhetoric and expect some kind of equal treatment. You are baiting people with your ignorance and then crying foul when you get a response. You are wrong, in your opinions, and in your understanding of America. Go drown whats left of your mind in Glen Beck or whatever demagoguery BS propaganda conspiracy swill hole you crawled out of. You serve no use in the New World Order.

July 20, 2012 at 6:30 p.m.
chaosmosis said...

Annisbell says "If I wrote a column and got these responses I would consider my life as being wasted." umm over half of the responses here are you or in reply to your crazy low brow anti-jew gibberish.

July 20, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Annisbell, it's time to crawl back under the rock. You are pretty awful, a white supremist, antisemitic and probably psychotic was well. You can exercise your freedom of speech, but we have the right to call you out on your lies and misrepresentations. I hope to Dog you are not one of my neighbors.

July 20, 2012 at 6:52 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Hey David, see what I mean? If you tot up their combined IQs you might get triple digits.

I'm sure there are flaws in my opinions but clearly these are not the people who can refute the facts I present.

Allow me to make some suggestions. First figure out whether or not the person you're trying to offend is actually offended by being referred to as Hitler, evil, anti Semite, Nazi, Klanner, anti-jew etc.

If they are not offended by those monikers than you have failed to make an impression. You succeed only in revealing your own frustration at being unable to make points to refute the things you claim you oppose but don't know enough about to make a logical argument. The person you are trying to offend may actually think that you are juvenile in your thinking because of all the juvenile name-calling.

You amuse the person you are seeking to defeat. Which only serves to make them think more than ever that they are correct.

It must just feel awful to be so intellectually unarmed. I suggest that first thing tomorrow morning you get to a library and get a library card. In a few years, if you read a lot of books, you might just know enough to know that you don't know anything.

Don't check out romance novels, read only books that make a dictionary useful as well as google maps.

July 20, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Sorry, but I steer clear of Mein Kampf. You have provided no evidence for your claims against jews, minorities and muslims. You claim that Stalin was a jew (he was an antisemite, just like you.) You, sir, are a menace and a liar.

July 20, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I'm sure annisisbell's favorite non-Hollywood movie is "Triumph of the Will," a musical romp through Hitlerland. He/she/it is also waiting for "Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" to come out on VHS. Thank God he's a good christian; otherwise, I'd be worried!

July 20, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
Jabarn said...

I am rather proud of this young journalist and proud of the Times for letting him publish this unique op, especially in this part of the South. I know all of the Times readers would, hopefully, want to keep an open mind to politics and religion, but this was a sweet story about one of our own local gals looking for truth herself and not being afraid to do so. For those who don't doubt and accept the truth of a deity you have never seen... I am not sure what to say. I figured it out at 14 and can't imagine how hard it must be to be to question that later. And like our heroine in this story, we don't need damnation to do right by our people.

July 20, 2012 at 7:32 p.m.
annisisbell said...

I never said Stalin was a jew. I referred to the jews in Stalin's inner circle.

Its sad really, but the problem for you is that, you steer clear of Mein Kampf. You don't even know what it says. I'll bet you've never even read the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.

Did you know that several children in Crowned Heights, Brooklyn have died of STDs as a result of having their penises sucked by Rabbis after circumcision? If you read the Talmud you'd know a lot about jewish beliefs and rituals. But I bet you've never been curious enough to read it either.

The Health Department stated that there is no way to protect children if open wounds come into contact with adult mouths. I guess it wasn't in the media because the guilty parties were not Catholic Priests. What do you think?

July 20, 2012 at 7:33 p.m.
annisisbell said...

You are probably not self aware enough to realize that you support attacking Christian belief and Christians but are offended at any comments about jews. Why do you think that is?

You are in the process of discussing Christian belief and attacking it. This is the subject of David's article. What if David wrote an article questioning the legitimacy of Zionism? Would that make him an anti semite in your eyes?

Which is worse, anti semitism or anti Christianism?

July 20, 2012 at 7:38 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Brooklyn have died of STDs as a result of having their penises sucked by Rabbis after circumcision?

I declare BS. You are a sick individual.

You are in the process of discussing Christian belief and attacking it

I never attacked Christianity. I pointed out your antisemitism and bigotry.

July 20, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.
Jabarn said...

Well, both anti-Jew and anti-Christian battles have gone on too long; Chattanooga, TN should be better. Our politicians, as representatives of us all, should understand this is the 21st Century, not the 14th, and voters know that too.. There are those of us who would just prefer we realize we have more important problems as, supposedly, the most intellectual and reasoned society on the planet. Feel free to worship as you please, we have a country that allows that for a reason. But we can never let government plan for one one to represent us all. A moment of silence, before the Commissioners' meetings, surely, but anything other than that just doesn't represent the total of our people.

July 20, 2012 at 7:55 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Jabarn, suppose we wormed our way into israel even though we know its a jew state and the jew doesn't want us. Suppose we paid money to certain greedy jews so they would do our bidding and managed to get into the government and pass laws to make israel diverse.

Then suppose we got control of the media and spread propaganda that jews were anti Christian and racist if they opposed mass immigration from the third world into israel?

How would the jew like "the total of the people" making decisions about israel and telling the jew that judaism is just another religion in a diverse israel.

July 20, 2012 at 8:02 p.m.
Jabarn said...

Hey, annisisbell, I don't doubt there was some mistakes, big mistakes, so don't mistake me, after WW2. Our great-grandparents did what they thought was right at the time. We are in a new age now. We either learn from history or our civilization repeats it. Jewish people make up our ancestry, yours, mine, and... You don't want to abandon a distant relative, I know. Even here in the South. We forgive not because we will go to hell if we don't but because it is time to move on.

July 20, 2012 at 8:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

More than half of the world's Jews, including relatives of mine, were slaughtered by people like you annisisbell. I will not tolerate the same lies and defamation, the same crap that people like you spread then and now. I do not forgive and I do not forget. Antisemitism cloaked in nationalism is how people justified killing those that were different than themselves, killing them by the millions or running them out of their ancestral homes. That it was done in the name of Christ in some circumstances makes it all the more heinous. Nope-no passes from me. No forgiveness, no accommodation. I only respect your constitutional right to say such things, and then I'll use my right to call you on your hate.

July 20, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
Jabarn said...

I agree, Ikeithlu. It is hard to get how people, in our day and age, would still support hatred. . But, let's go back to the origins of this article. Should governement bodies institute a procedure of Christian prayer before deciding on matters like... Your driveway is actually across the neighbors property line so needs to be moved back 3 feet...that sort of thing. Could there be a conflict of interest? Or... Can I build a hotel on Dayton Blvd... No reason, in my thinking, for a prayer to any god, to oversee decisions of this matter.

July 20, 2012 at 8:50 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am not in favor of government using official time or resources to pray to a deity. That's for church and personal time.

July 20, 2012 at 9 p.m.
MalleusChristus said...

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

lkeithlu, Jabarn, daytonsdarwin, dao1980,

Job 38- "...Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?... answer thou me. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof...Have the gates of death been opened unto thee? or hast thou seen the doors of the shadow of death? Hast thou perceived the breadth of the earth? declare if thou knowest it all. Where is the way where light dwelleth? and as for darkness, where is the place thereof, That thou shouldest take it to the bound thereof, and that thou shouldest know the paths to the house thereof? Knowest thou it, because thou wast then born? or because the number of thy days is great? Hast thou entered into the treasures of the snow? or hast thou seen the treasures of the hail...By what way is the light parted, which scattereth the east wind upon the earth?... Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? Canst thou bring forth Mazzaroth in his season? or canst thou guide Arcturus with his sons? Knowest thou the ordinances of heaven? canst thou set the dominion thereof in the earth?...Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it."

July 20, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
Jabarn said...

I have, too, read Job for comfort. How one man could be assaulted so. I have found meaning, truly. That is a personal story, between a tortured father being tested by Satan and God holding out rescue. Not sure that either the Devil or God was being the nicest but so our protagonist must learn for himself. We all try to make reason out of the hardships that come our way. I was guided to the story of Job several years ago when I was going through dark times but the Book taught me a different lesson. We persevere. We don't wait for rescue; we sort it out. Otherwise we just blame everyone else for our own situation. We can learn much from Job.

July 20, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.
chaosmosis said...

Bible quotes here are as useless as they are before a public meeting.

July 21, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Jabarn, there is diddly squat to be learned from Job, except what a cruel, sadistic prick God can be, for no other reason than that he decided to make a wager with the Devil and prove a point to him, all the while using Job as a pawn in his little side wager. When it comes to choosing which of the OT stories in the Bible is the most preposterous it's really hard to choose, they're all so silly, but the story of Job has to rank right up there at the top as being the stupidest, most meaningless story of all of them. You mean, you have to read an asinine story like that before it dawns on you that sometimes life (God, as you prefer to call it) throws sh#t at us and the wiser course of action to take is to ride out the storm, for there will be better days ahead? We don't need to read the story of Job to learn that lesson - life itself teaches us that! God was simply being a malevolent jerk to one of the supposedly most faithful and righteous of his flock, and then after he lets Satan have his way with him he "benevolently" bestows Job with his former health and riches. And from that you take away the lesson that God works in mysterious ways and we must never doubt his goodness his mercy, and his love for us? Aww, that's sweet - If you have the mind of 5 yr. old.

July 21, 2012 at 5:02 a.m.
jesse said...

You went to church w/ a realist! If you were paying attn. you might have learned something!

July 21, 2012 at 5:05 a.m.
annisisbell said...

Please pay attention to what lkeithlu has said. jews have a sordid history of being driven from every place in Europe they ever lived. And every time they blame the people who drove them out without taking any responsibility for their own behavior and the fact that they are always hostile to the host people. This is the jew.

More people have died because of jews than any other race on Earth. Even at this moment the jew is doing everything he can to get us to attack Iran. Our Generals, leaders and experts warn that this would be a disaster. They say Iran can defend itself and an attack against it could start WW3. That would play into the hands of the jew if they could get our people killed there would be no one to stop their jew World Order.

Notice how lkeithlu says he will never forgive or forget. That shows that diversity does not work and that JEWS ARE A HOSTILE GROUP AMONG US. They always harm the host people.

These are things I'm trying to tell you. There is no moving on. Don't you get it? As long as the jew is around he will cause trouble. lkeithlu is telling you as much!

Read the words of the jew Tim Wise as he says, as a result of diversity, our Anglo Saxon Protestant civilization is being destroyed and he IS GLAD. What does he know that you don't? He should be jailed for treason because of what he does to destroy us. So should Bill kristol. But the jew is rich, powerful and controls all our media. I'm trying to tell you! Please listen to me.

http://www.timwise.org/2010/11/an-open-letter-to-the-white-right-on-the-occasion-of-your-recent-successful-temper-tantrum/

the jews are telling us

July 21, 2012 at 7:16 a.m.
annisisbell said...

"We must realize that our party's most powerful weapon is racial tension. By propounding into the consciousness of the dark races that for centuries they have been oppressed by the whites, we can mold them to the program of the Communist Party. In America we will aim for subtle victory. While inflaming the Negro minority against the whites, we will endeavor to instill in the whites a guilt complex for their exploitation of the Negroes. We will aid the Negroes to rise in prominence in every walk of life, in the professions and in the world of sports and entertainment. With this prestige, the Negro will be able to intermarry with the whites and begin a process which will deliver America to our cause." by Israel Cohen, A Racial Program for the Twentieth Century, 1912. (Also in Congressional Record, Vol 103, p.8559, June 7, 1957)

Please read other historical quotes by and about jews

http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-references-gentiles-900quotes.htm

July 21, 2012 at 7:20 a.m.
annisisbell said...

MalleusChristus - I appreciate where you are coming from but - you can't use the Bible to prove your case here because the Bible and its authenticity is what is under question. Only if it were proven to be the literal word of God could you then use it to prove your points.

July 21, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I am not Jewish, Annisisbell. I have Jewish family. Your recent posts do not change the fact that you are a hateful white supremist. I hope the FBI is watching you closely.

July 21, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
annisisbell said...

lkeithlu - why did jews never get your own country and live in it and leave other people alone?

jews are historically a parasitic cancerous plague that lived off other people just as you live off of us today.

For those who do not know the teaching of the Talmud, be sure and read the quotes from the link I gave above. jews believe that non jews exist to do all the work while the jew sits back and lives off our work. They think that non jews are the same as cattle and that jews are better than everyone else and more intelligent than others. Yet they never create anything. They just swoop in after someone else does the work and figure out how to make money off it. Today we fight all jews' wars. At some point we will have to get rid of the jew if we save our civilization.

Think about how freely you deny and attack Christianity. Then consider how you refuse to condone any criticism of jews!!! That is the result of their psychological warfare against us!

Think about jews' creation of communism and what it was like to live under it and compare that to Western civilization. Everybody wants to live in White nations. Nobody wants to live in what the jew creates. People should pay attention to what the jew is like. Think about what will replace Western civilization.

We should be funding NASA, not wars for jews.

Mobsters moved into Chicago and took over by bribing judges, lawyers and law enforcement. They controlled Chicago. Was that an indication of mobster intelligence? jews are like mobsters and gypsies.

There are several serial killers who had high intelligence which made it very difficult to catch them. But of course there was something very wrong with the wiring of their brains. That's the jew. And what they do they have been doing for thousands of years. Its wired into their brains, bred in the bones and in their DNA. They are not going to change. Listen to what lkeithlu tells you. At first the jew plays the role behind the scenes, as in The Hidden Hand, then when they have as much control as they have over us they come out into the open and brag and let themselves be seen.

Joel Stein at the LA Times said that he didn't care if everyone knew jews control Hollywood, the media and the government, he said he just hopes they continue to control everything.

July 21, 2012 at 7:36 a.m.
annisisbell said...

Note how lkeithlu claims that Nationalism for others is evil and historically evil and discounts the rights of the founding stock of America to want to remain Anglo Saxon and Christian. Knowing that the jew is what caused our nation to become diverse.

But nationalism for jews is good. they have a right to a state of their own. Its not known who gave them such a right. Its known only that our blood and treasury secure their jew state at the same time they are a cancer within our countries.

jews claim a right to a state of their own and then they are the only people on Earth who take license to live anywhere they please.

jews are hiring Chinese nannies so their children will be fluent since China is supposedly designated as the next rising economy. Its not an act of God that our economy is being liquidated in China.

July 21, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

And here I am thinking Hitler died in 1945. Silly me-he's right here in TN. Thinking that a group numbering 14 million out of 9 billion could possibly take over, and using that fantasy as an excuse for promoting racial hatred.

I'm done. You are the most offensive person I ever interacted with online. Since I have been coming to site for quite awhile, that's saying a lot. Hope you find your white utopia somewhere other than the US.

July 21, 2012 at 8:36 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"anusbelle (sic) you are a lunatic." That's probably the first thing I've ever agreed with you on, JR. But I am one ProgDem whose panties are not in a wad over this person. I know better than to waste time getting in heated tug-of-wars with the likes of this nut-job and MalleusKristus and other of you regressives who babble your nonsense. Sometimes you just have to let the lunatics vent and hope that they pass enough gas in time to get it out of their system - although they, and you, seem to have interminable amounts of gas.

July 21, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
annisisbell said...

I was under the impression that it is I who is bursting the balloons of the bigots???

Please go back and refer to the title of the article under discussion and then read the comments attacking Christianity.

When you draw first blood you shouldn't be surprised if there are those who will fight back. If you can't take it you shouldn't dish it out.

Now, I will wait patiently for you to refute ONE thing I've said. I don't mind discussing the issues. I believe that is what our forefathers intended.

I do not think it gets us anywhere to do name-calling. I have written before about how certain people or words are stigmatized in order to silence people who oppose the jews and liberals.

For instance, David Duke has been thoroughly stigmatized. So the question is, why were we not allowed to debate, discuss and talk about the ideas that Duke put forward? What were his detractors afraid of?

Its legitimate to disagree and put forward your arguments. Its not legitimate to call people names and slander them as lkeithlu has done. He said he would never forgive and never forget what has been done to jews by Christians. Fair enough.

But then when I started to talk about why Christians drove jews out then all of a sudden he doesn't want to talk any more. When I pointed out that Christians can't keep jews out of their country he resorts to name calling and slander.

As I have previously said, they are not trying to stop the council from praying because they do not believe in Jesus. They want to stop the council from praying because they hate Christians and our heritage and history and Western civilization itself.

jews want rid of Christians so they can control everything. Leo Struss, in my previous link stated as much and talked about how jews would make Anglo Saxon Protestants seem illegitimate so they could take their places.

So where is the logic in claiming that I'm the lunatic and racist? Its jews who are doing these things to us.

I challenge jonross, rickaroo or anyone else to name ONE thing I or anyone else has done to these jews that run around looking for anti semites under every rock. Its not about what we've done to them. Its about what they have done, are doing and intend to do to us. Leave Christians alone. If others don't like Christians they should never have come to our country and they can kiss old rusty and get the heck out anytime.

July 21, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Furthermore, given jew's sordid history, they should be trying to prove to us that they are not harmful to us. We don't have to prove anything to them. If they think we are racist and have done historical things to them and they have historical grudges GO LIVE SOMEWHERE ELSE.

If they can find someplace in the world where they are not hated that is.

July 21, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
annisisbell said...

What does Duke stand for that makes you think he's nutty? Please be specific.

Obama is wrong to support the interests of foreigners and illegals over his own country. That's a valid reason to oppose him.

Obama is wrong to keep our troops in the middle east, speak before AIPAC pledging loyalty to a foreign nation. That's a valid reason not to like him.

Obama has a hit list and boasted that Killing Tuesday is when he selects the next person to die.

That is a valid reason not to like him.

Based upon Duke's recent comments, from his videos or his website, why dont you like him?

July 21, 2012 at 7:04 p.m.
Jabarn said...

@rickaroo... You are right about Job.. @annisisbell... You are the most intersting person I have encountered in Chattanooga's local media. I am not sure if you are real or pretending. I will say this... Whichever it is, keep it up. We all need to remember that hatred against groups of people can amount to more than vitriol.

It is still hard for me to believe something as horrible as the Holocaust didn't happen in the mid-ages but in the time of our grandparents. You remind me that the mentality that drives that sort of abomination still exists.

July 21, 2012 at 8:52 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Jabarn, what about the tens of millions of people that the jew killed in Russia and Urkraine called the Holodomer? What about the millions killed in China under jew communism? What about the killing fields of Cambodia under jew communism? What about the ONGOING slaughter of millions of Palestinians? What about a bulldozer that ran over Rachel Corrie? What about the millions we've slaughtered in Iraq who never did anything to us and who cannot defend themselves from the world's only military superpower? What about the jew trying to bully us into attacking Iran and getting millions and millions more killed? What about the ongoing genocide of the Boer and Anglo Saxon in South Africa after apartheid? Can you believe they happened in this day and time?

Regarding the holocaust. If we are not allowed to examine the holocaust using modern forensic technology and must simply take the jew word for what happened - how do you know what happened?

What if everyone simply had to take the word of Southern White people about slavery and nobody could examine or question or discuss that history?

What about the fact that 100 million Anglo Saxon, Nordic, Aryan and Christian people were killed in the two world wars and jews dragged us into both. they got Palestine after WW1 and we defeated Hitler for them in WW2.

Have you thought about the fact that possibly you think the way you do because jews own and control ALL our major media, Hollywood, the music industry, the tv industry, the textbook and publishing industry?

Have you seen the fear of people such as Mel Gibson? He has said that he edited The Passion of The Christ because he was afraid they would come to his home and kill him.

JFK issued an Executive Order getting rid of the jew Federal Reserve, on the plane carrying his body back from Dallas to DC, Lyndon Johnson rescinded that EO. JFK also wanted to prevent israel from getting WMD.

July 22, 2012 at 8:14 a.m.
loveit said...

Wow, way to go David Cook. You have gotten more responses than I have ever seen! People, argue with the point, not the person. I commend David for being a spectacular writer, he has really gotten everyone to respond. Isn't that the goal? SO way to go, keep it up!

July 22, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
Leaf said...

I suspect that most churchy folks in these modern times, if they are being honest, would admit that deep down they are really athiests. I mean, come on. It's all a little far-fetched don't you think?

Athiests don't have to recite oaths of fealty all the time and go to a meeting every week to reaffirm their lack of faith. What does that tell you?

July 23, 2012 at 4:30 p.m.
annisisbell said...

Leaf - do you believe that jews have a right to a state of their own? Should American atheists, Christians and Muslims have to pay taxes for aid to israel?

Should our candidates go before the American Israeli Political Action Committee and swear allegiance to a jew state?

I don't think David is interested in religion since his article singles out belief in a Christian god. David never attacked or wrote about jewish influence in our government and institutions or jewish ownership of all our media or separation of church and jews.

I think this is more about attacking the religion of the founding stock of America and Western Civilization.

Leo Strauss claimed that the religion of the Anglo Saxon should be made to seem illegitimate so that the Anglo Saxon would seem illegitimate and could be replaced in government by jews.

http://www.nhinet.org/ryn18-1&2.pdf

This is not really about belief in Jesus in a time of scientific knowledge, its about attacking Christianity.

July 23, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
MalleusChristus said...

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

chaosmosis,

Acts 4:19

"But Peter and John answered and said unto them, Whether it be right in the sight of God to hearken unto you more than unto God, judge ye."

July 23, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Did anyone notice that when ol' Ken Orr's two personalities on this site disappeared, we suddenly got MallauesChristins?

July 24, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I noticed that, dao.

MC is our old friend Kenny Orr, no doubt.

July 24, 2012 at 5:52 p.m.
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