published Tuesday, June 5th, 2012

'U.N. attacking U.S. sovereignty' and other letters to the editors

U.N. attacking U.S. sovereignty

Once again, our sovereignty as a nation is being challenged by none other than the United Nations.

On May 23, C-SPAN TV hosted a program titled "Law of the Sea" treaty. The object was to provide testimony for the U.S. Senate to ratify the treaty. Sen. Bob Corker was on the committee.

This "treaty" is nothing more than a back-door attempt to impose a cap-and-trade tax for the use of fossil fuels, oil and natural gas through a "royalty" imposed by a foreign body (United Nations).

The second United Nations program that aired on C-SPAN TV on April 20 is titled "Global Renewable and Sustainable Energy Development." I have often wondered why the Democrats were pushing green energy so hard.

The third program that is being pushed by the United Nations is titled "United Nations Internet Regulation Plan". It aired on C-SPAN TV on May 30.

I would encourage everyone to watch these three programs and make up your own mind to see if our sovereignty is under attack by the United Nations socialists. In my opinion, this has the Democratic Party written all over it because these are programs they like.

BYRON J. HENDRIX, Cleveland, Tenn.

Bible influenced nation's founders

Comments concerning the Bible on last Sunday's Perspective front page provoke me to write the following: I have been trying to study the Bible for over half a century and have never plumbed its depths.

Perhaps the greatest Bible student of all time is the one who said "they could not enter in (to God's rest) because of unbelief." "For the Word of God is quick and powerful and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." Hebrews 4:12 and 3:19.

I believe the Bible and Jesus Christ are God's greatest gift to mankind. Our nation was blessed above any other nation because our Founding Fathers knew the Bible well and were wonderfully influenced by it.

RACHEL DECOSIMO, Signal Mountain

Broaden references to service deaths

Most media reports of the recent Memorial Day refer to the "war dead," the memorialization of those killed during battle being the original purpose of Memorial Day.

However, today and for many years past, few interments at the National Cemetery are the result of enemy military action.

The placing of an American flag at every grave blunts the recognition of the ultimate sacrifice of those who did give it.

Nevertheless, servicemen and women who returned home from war and lived out their lives sacrificed and risked those lives during their wartime experience. Wives of such military personnel also sacrificed while their loved ones were away.

I see nothing untoward about placing of a flag at every grave in the National Cemetery as part of the Memorial Day observance, but do believe the Memorial Day references in the media should be broadened to include deaths during or after military service, regardless of the time or manner of the deaths, as well as categories of family members who are eligible for burial in the National Cemetery.


'Future is Ours' a great start

Charmane Goins and the "Future is Ours" campaign sounds like the answer to the multifaceted problem with kids in Chattanooga. As stated in the Yolanda Putman article (June 1), Boyd Patterson, city gang task force coordinator, said "this isn't a one-time event," but it appears to be a great start.

As a Cleveland, Tenn., resident who frequents the downtown area with my family and out-of-town guests, the crowds of kids roaming the streets are a huge deterrent. We bring a lot of visitor dollars to attractions near the waterfront and really appreciate all the efforts to keep Chattanooga safe. I certainly hope the community gets behind this venture with money and manpower. Good luck.

MARY JO WHITE, Cleveland, Tenn.

'Nation under God' is our heritage

Freedom from Religion Foundation [members] are bottom feeders. No prayer at ballgames. Now our leaders can't pray?

I was made to learn Darwinism in school and the "theory" that humans evolved from apes. Bible study was an elective for students, if chosen. Christ was never forced on anyone.

Jesus says be angry but sin not ... and I'm angry! Christians should stand up and be "one nation under God." That is our heritage. Last time I checked, those folks from the FFRF are spending money that says "In God We Trust."

If they don't trust in God, don't spend our money. If you don't like this nation under God, make a new nation for yourselves. Freedom from oppression in religion is what founded this country. Even in our courts we are sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God! Because it means something!

Are they afraid that by using Jesus' name, someone may believe? Possibly! Many already do. Those who don't believe, those who do, are praying for you. You can tell me not to pray, but you will never stop my praying. I'll do it until I die, in Jesus' name! Amen!


Make gun owners liable for harm

Your recent story (May 31) of the tragic gunshot death of a 3-year-old depressed and upset me. My sincere condolences to the child's parents and relatives.

Your reporting was sketchy to poor. (You know the address but not the name of the resident?). However, to anyone with any logic, several things are very clear though not reported in the story. Given that the children at the scene were 2 and 3, it is apparent that:

The gun was not locked away or on a closet's top shelf.

It was loaded and a bullet was in the chamber.

The safety was off and there was no trigger lock.

The gun's owner has no business owning a gun.

We must address this question. Is the right of an innocent child to its life trumped by the rights of adults to deadly guns even though many adults are irresponsible, stupid, hot-headed, crazy or paranoid and have no business with a gun? We could at least pass laws making gun owners criminally liable for all harm their weapons cause.


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Easy123 said...


The Founders were so influenced by the Bible that they didn't even include God in the Constitution! The Constitution is a secular document. Many of the Founders were Christians but they did not let their beliefs or a holy book influence them when they were founding our country or while writing the Constitution.


First, the scientific definition for "theory" means that it has been tested over and over again and similar results are yielded every time. Evolution is a fact. It is the only explanation for our observable world. Ask any scientist. We did evolve. We share a common ancestor with chimpanzees. Every animal shares a common ancestor if you go back far enough. These are facts. Do some research.

"One nation under God" is not our heritage. It was added to the pledge in 1954. "In God We Trust" didn't appear on paper currency until 1957. Those phrases are not "our heritage". I actually mark "In God We Trust" off my paper currency with a Sharpie marker. I don't want to spend any of your "God" money.

You don't have to place your hand on the Bible in court. It's optional. You also do not have to say "So help me God". And no, that phrase means nothing.

I don't think anyone is afraid of using Jesus' name. You obviously haven't read the Constitution or you would understand how government mandated prayer is unconstitutional. Personally, I think religious people are bottom feeders. But to each his/her own, right?

And just to clarify, "Christ" is forced on everyone. It was smuggled into our pledge and onto our money. Non-Christians are constantly bombarded with Jesus and Christianity, especially in the South.

June 5, 2012 at 12:34 a.m.
Ozzy87 said...

Easy123, with some of these people you couldn't pound the truth in their heads with a sledge hammer. It makes one wonder if they have ever seen the Seal of the United States or seen on our currency E pluribus unum or "out of many, one".

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."- Thomas Jefferson.

"Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, and imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch toward uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one-half the world fools and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth."- Thomas Jefferson.

"Because religious belief, or non-belief, is such an important part of every person's life, freedom of religion affects every individual. Religious institutions that use government power in support of themselves and force their views on persons of other faiths, or of no faith, undermine all our civil rights. Moreover, state support of an established religion tends to make the clergy unresponsive to their own people, and leads to corruption within religion itself. Erecting the "wall of separation between church and state," therefore, is absolutely essential in a free society. We have solved, by fair experiment, the great and interesting question whether freedom of religion is compatible with order in government and obedience to the laws. And we have experienced the quiet as well as the comfort which results from leaving every one to profess freely and openly those principles of religion which are the inductions of his own reason and the serious convictions of his own inquiries."- Thomas Jefferson.

June 5, 2012 at 9:02 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Candy Jenkins, I try to be kind to the gullible and naive. However, you have not learned even civility from all your professed belief in Christianity.
You call people "bottom feeders" who have independently decided -- despite intense pressure to "believe" -- that most religion is folk lore and mythology.
Since you have chosen to label independent-minded people with an ugly epithet, I will say that I think you are ill-educated . . . and not very nice.

June 5, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
dao1980 said...

Ken, aren't the implications surrounding our separation of church and state to be observed from both sides?

You assert that: "Government is prohibited to interfere in religion." Is it not also true that religion is/should be prohibited to interfere with government?

I also must call attention to your statements regarding "any religion, anywhere" and "freedom of religion".

If you weren't so well practiced in your pulpit style double-speak, you would just come out and say that you are only in support for freedom of YOUR religion.

It's ok, I understand that intellectual honesty is a difficult personal attribute to master/muster when you need instruction from a sky-wizard to make it through your day.

June 5, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
Fendrel said...


Please, have mercy on us!

The 2nd law of thermodynamics, which is what I presume you meant by "atrophy", refers to closed systems. There is no problem with order arising as long as there is a source of energy being delivered from the outside.

In our case, the sun, a raging core of thermonuclear energy a mere 93 million miles away, drenching the earth in a constant supply of energy will do the trick.

Stop saying things like "we know it to be true", when quite to the contrary you insist on demonstrating that you lack even a basic understanding of the concept in question!

June 5, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

*Chimpanzees Have A Totally Different Number of Chromosomes Than Humans.

Even The Very Genetic Material Found Within Chimpanzees Is Totally Different Than That of Humans.*

Completely incorrect

June 5, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

Everything you said is false.

June 5, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

How to shut up pesky creationists

June 5, 2012 at 11:37 a.m.
Fendrel said...


The government is prohibited from enacting laws that restrict or enforce an individual's beliefs, but it can and does make laws which control an individual's actions.

Among those laws and Supreme Court decisions are making polygamy illegal in defiance of some sects of the Mormon Church, the US Supreme Court forcing parents to allow doctors to administer a transfusion even though it is against the belief of Jehovah's Witnesses to do so and of course the one that no religious organization complains too much about, being tax exempt!

June 5, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
Livn4life said...

OK Easy, the Constitution is a secular document based on what standard? Oh I guess it was some evolved standard of championized humanism. I doubt that. It was based on godly principles. By the way, the founders also left out of the Constitution something else, SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. But that doesn't stop lefters from exploiting that firm interpretive principle now does it?

June 5, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

The standards were not directly based on the Bible. Wouldn't it be apparent if they were? You can claim that they are but it doesn't make it true. I guess that's why slavery was legal too. What a "godly principle"!

Separation of Church and state is a phrase coined by Jefferson. And it is a phrase Christians use all the time to keep government out of the church. I guess by leftists you mean the Supreme Court. Your argument is has now been officially debunked.

June 5, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
LibDem said...

Livn4life, the Constitution fails to mention Christ, Christian, and Christianity because the publisher ran out of X's.

June 5, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Yeah, well, good luck on plumbing the depths of the Bible, Rachel Decosimo.It's quite a task to plumb the depths of a book that contains as many contradictions and historical and scientific inaccuracies as it does, not to mention the intentional forgeries and outright lies by those who even admitted doing so (the self-proclaimed "holy liar" Eusebius being chief among them).

As for the founding fathers, most of them were actually deists. This is a well known fact and not really a matter of debate or opinion. Even George Washington, who invoked the name of God as often as anyone, was said by his pastor to be a deist. He attended church regularly with his wife but he never once took communion. And Thomas Jefferson was called an atheist by every clergyman of his day. That was not true, for he did believe in God, but not the Christian tri-une God. Not did the God he believe in intercede in the personal affairs of our lives. Furthermore he rewrote the entire New Testament, removing every reference to Jesus as being divine. He condensed it to contain only those elements of Christ's teachings that pertained to love, mercy, and goodness.

June 5, 2012 at 4:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jefferson was one of the biggest or, at least, most famous skeptics in American history.

June 5, 2012 at 10:19 p.m.

What many people don't know is that form of the oath, well many religions actually strenuously object to it anyway, since they consider it an affront to God.

And actually many court procedure manuals have eliminated the reference to God, some replacing it with "under penalty of perjury" or leaving it off entirely. In the places that do retain it, it is strictly optional, and that is protected by law and court decision.

As for money, I have not been consulted by the US mint, should they ask me, I would say remove it for the sacrilegious invocation it is.

Our leaders can pray. On their own time. When I'm paying them, I ask that they kindly refrain.

June 5, 2012 at 10:28 p.m.

You said the very genetic material is totally different.

That's not true.

June 5, 2012 at 11:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...


There are plenty of missing links and a whole bunch of intermediates between humans and their common ancestor with chimps.

And the chromosomes are very similar. 98-99% similar.

June 6, 2012 at 12:17 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr, regardless of whatever outward show of what might appear to be Christian supportive behavior to you or others, Thomas Jefferson was NOT a Christian. He was an admitted free thinker and was very much opposed to any dogma or religious trappings that discouraged reason or creative thought.

It is a FACT that he rewrote the New Testament. He even named it The Jefferson Bible. He rewrote it because he did not believe in the divinity of Christ and he thought the only messages worth focusing on were those of love and mercy and goodness. He removed all reference to JC as being the messiah. Furthermore, every tenet of Christianity that makes a person a Christian (the belief in original sin, a tri-une God, as well as the divinity of Christ and his dying for our sins) Jefferson disavowed. You cannot be a Christian by any standard if you disavow the very tenets that define that religion.

June 6, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
Rickaroo said...


If you want to know how a person truly believes, you read the thoughts that flowed from his most personal reflections to friends and colleagues. The following are the thoughts of Jefferson himself, in his various writings over the years. Believe what you will.

"I never submitted the whole system of my opinions to the creed of any party of men whatever in religion, in philosophy, in politics, or in anything else where I was capable of thinking for myself.Such an addiction is the last degradation of a free and moral agent."

"History, I believe, furnishes no example of a priest-ridden people maintaining a free civil government. This marks the lowest grade of ignorance of which their civil as well as religious leaders will always avail themselves for their own purposes."

"The whole history of these books [the Gospels] is so defective and doubtful that it seems vain to attempt minute enquiry into it: and such tricks have been played with their text, and with the texts of other books relating to them, that we have a right, from that cause, to entertain much doubt what parts of them are genuine."

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was, a part of the common law."

"In every country and in every age, the priest has been hostile to liberty. He is always in alliance with the despot, abetting his abuses in return for protection to his own."

"Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is the mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus."

"My opinion is that there would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there."

"You say you are a Calvinist. I am not. I am of a sect by myself, as far as I know."

June 6, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

more Jefferson quotes:

" As you say of yourself, I too am an Epicurian. I consider the genuine (not the imputed) doctrines of Epicurus as containing everything rational in moral philosophy which Greece and Rome have left us."

"Priests...dread the advance of science as witches do the approach of daylight and scowl on the fatal harbinger announcing the subversions of the duperies on which they live."

"Man once surrendering his reason, has no remaining guard against absurdities the most monstrous, and like a ship without rudder, is the sport of every wind."

"It is between fifty and sixty years since I read it [Revelation], and I then considered it merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."

"And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerve in the brain of Jupiter. But may we hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with this artificial scaffolding."

"Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear."

Mr. Orr, I have no doubt that you will find some way to twist these quotes in such a way as to satisfy your need to justify your specious argument. But to any objective, clear thinking, and rational individual, it is obvious that Thomas Jefferson was NOT a Christian in the sense that you try to claim he was. Now, I have said more than enough on the subject. Believe as you are going to blindly believe anyway. I'm done.

June 6, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
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