published Tuesday, June 19th, 2012

Immigration is a state issue, too

It's more than a tad galling for Alberto Gonzales, the former attorney general of the United States, to lecture Southeastern states on the fact that America's "immigration process is broken, and our immigration strategy is at best outdated and at worst ineffective."

Of course, his statement is of the no-duh variety. But it's galling because even as Gonzales, who served under President George W. Bush, and other officials at an immigration forum in Atlanta were acknowledging the sorry state of the federally run immigration system, they were telling the states to butt out of the issue.

In their dreams.

Washington's, shall we say, drowsy approach to illegal immigration is what saddled the United States with an estimated 11 million to 20 million illegal aliens -- quite a few of whom take jobs that otherwise might be filled by U.S. citizens or by lawful immigrants. But of perhaps greater direct concern to state governments are the billions of dollars they have spent on health care and other social services for those who are in this country illegally.

Those concerns are largely what have prompted dozens of states to enact laws that do things such as limit the provision of taxpayer-funded benefits to illegal aliens.

Yet the immigration forum in Atlanta seemed to give little attention to those matters, preferring instead to focus on telling the states to back off.

State laws lack the "teeth to be able to do anything" about immigration, Dalton, Ga., Mayor David Pennington said.

We beg to differ. State laws can have a significant impact on illegal immigration, as they have in Arizona and other states when activist federal courts haven't nullified them.

But the federal government as a whole is hardly more cooperative than the courts.

For example, officials in Florida have come up with a list of more than 180,000 registered voters who may not be U.S. citizens. To double check, they have asked the U.S. Department of Homeland Security for access to a federal citizenship database. Yet the department says no. Meanwhile, the U.S. Department of Justice is suing Florida to stop the state from purging ineligible individuals from its voter rolls.

This is the same federal government, mind you, that wants the states to leave to Washington matters pertaining to immigration.

No thanks. There is a great deal the states could and would do to defend themselves from the costs and other troubling aspects of illegal immigration -- if only Washington would get out of the way.

Alas, that scarcely seems to be in prospect.

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Remember when interracial marriages, segregated public education and minority voting rights were cavalierly declared to be state issues?

Yeah. Go ahead, support Arizona's citizens being subject to a police state where papers can be demanded, cheer on Rick Scott's voter purge that was so flawed his secretary of state resigned to avoid it, and which already has a high error rate for the names they did act on.

I thought you hated an intrusive government. Apparently it's OK when you're making certain people suffer.

But do you have to lie about the Department of Justice's lawsuit? They aren't suing to keep ineligible voters on the rolls. They're suing because Florida is conducting this process improperly, in violation of existing law. Your misrepresentation is so blatantly false that it must be a malicious distortion.

You should be ashamed of your disingenuous behavior.

Strange that you were silent about Alabama and Georgia's failed efforts. Guess you couldn't say that.

June 19, 2012 at 12:39 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Immigration reform is a hot-button issue that is always opposed by the party out of power. Politicians don't widh to vote for something that will be thrown back at them in the next election. The result: a nearly hopeless immigration policy that serves us poorly.

Should immigration be a state issue? We can only imagine the conflict that would cause between the states. We would soon have state border guards.

June 19, 2012 at 1:16 a.m.
Leaf said...

I hate those dirty immigrants, with their cabbage and potatos and taking all the good factory and railroad jobs away from decent hardworking Americans. Filthy Irish!

June 19, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.

You forgot to complain about their papistry.

June 19, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Illegal Immigration should be a State issue, just like purgin those same people from voting systems so they don't vote "illegaly". But this administration has now shown the true why they did not want states to purge their systems they may miss out on some votes. Great case for voter ID in every state. It is amazing that gays, illegals and idiots will be the only ones voting for this dictator come November.

June 19, 2012 at 5:12 p.m.

Yeah, the states who already failed to protect people's rights, and continue to do so with these obviously faulty voter purges and ID systems.

Tell you what, you can do voter ID when there's a proactive effort to assure that everybody is provided with proper ID.

Also let's get rid of touchscreens and other electronic voting.

Nah, can't do that, too hard to change papers.

June 19, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Happy, people have to have a ID to drive a car, open a bank account, buy alcohol and cigarettes or cash their checks if they don't have a bank. Why in the world is it so hard to have one to vote? That has to be the most childish and ridiculous argument ever made. The true and only reason the democrats don't want the voter ID is because of all the Illegal immigrants that vote!!!

June 19, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.

Nobody asks me for my ID when I drive, why is that? I can get in my car, nobody needs my ID. It's funny, it's almost as if you're misrepresenting the situation. And my bank lets me conduct my banking without ID. They actually have a picture of me in their database they use to verify my identity. Of course, none of those things are legal rights which the state is obligated to provide without any illegal discrimination. Why can't the state be held to any standard for their conduct? Why do you want people to be forced to accommodate the state?

Why don't you tell me why it is so hard to require the state to provide ID?

The true and only reason you want to use this voter id is to try to disenfranchise people who would vote against you.

If you truly cared, you would accept my requirement.

The state must pro-actively provide ID. That's what I'm asking. What is wrong with that?

Heck, just imagine how much other fraud a properly implemented system might prevent. Haven't you seen the advertisements about identity theft lately? Why are you not for protecting me?

Why do you hate stopping crime?

June 19, 2012 at 6:10 p.m.

If you are pulled over you have to show a drive license which is a form of ID. When you opened your bank account you had to show a valid ID. There is no way you can say other wise. The state should not have to provide anything because just like everything else if you want it then pay for it.

June 19, 2012 at 6:15 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Why should the state pay for it? That is the better question. Just like driving a car you dont have to but if you want to YOU have to pay for your license. It amazes me how people want every thing handed to them. That is Obama-nomics at it's finest.

June 19, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You're both very dense.

Many people can't get photo ID's because they don't have access to their birth certificate and other minor issues that would prevent someone from acquiring an ID. Requiring ID's would actually prevent many senior citizens from voting, as well as many minorities. Requiring ID's to vote isn't a good idea any way you look at it. Just because it is a Republican talking point/idea, doesn't make it worth a damn. You haven't even thought about it in depth or you would understand.

June 19, 2012 at 10:23 p.m.

lovetheusaorleave: Yes, when I'm pulled over. For actual cause. And yes, before you ask, I consider routine traffic stops to be questionable in their legality. If you want to ask for ID when you specifically have reasonable cause to question my citizenship, go right ahead. Do it with unreasonable cause, and I'll go after you with the full force of law. And gee, I don't mind showing ID or other representation to verify I'm a valid voter. The problem is...why must I be the one obligated to accommodate the state's inability to provide ID.

rogerdodge: Because voting is a right of citizens, and the state has to make it available. That's also why they can't charge for voting, and if I can't get to the ballot, they have to provide reasonable access in absentee form. This is often protected by law.

Your ignorance continues to...well, not amaze me, since it's completely predictable to me. You're completely ignoring how the state gets legitimacy from the voters, not the other way around. It is we who grant the government the right to exist, and the government has to earn it. You don't want them to do so. You blame the citizens for having demands.

Yet you think it's because people want things handed to them? I bet you hate the right of legal representation too, don't you?

Easy123: I don't necessarily mind IDs, I just mind the obstacles in place. It's certainly something they haven't thought about in depth though.

I bet rogerdodger doesn't even realize how much the government spends on absentee ballots.

June 19, 2012 at 11:19 p.m.

Happy it is a privilege and right that you CAN vote, not mandatory. Just like driving and many other things if a persons wants to participate in them they are required to pay for the services. Is that so hard to understand or is it you just simply can't face reality that their is no valid argument against voter ID. I am guessing that if a democrat would have come up with this idea you and many others would think it was a wonderful idea.

June 20, 2012 at 6:55 a.m.
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