published Sunday, June 24th, 2012

'Immigrant rule an unfair advantage' and other letters to the editor

Immigrant rule an unfair advantage

Obama has just opened a floodgate of opportunity for young illegal immigrants in giving them equal opportunity with our sons and daughters to take the few jobs and college scholarships available. My guess, from how his Justice department has been run the last 31/2 years, is that it not only makes the illegal immigrants equal but in many cases more advantaged than U.S. citizens.

Our children should not be given an underdog role to those who, after all, are violators of U.S. law. Obama's ignoring the Constitution must be stopped. Obama actually said, "We will be ready to rule from day one." He meant what he said about ruling rather than governing.

CLINTON GRANT, Rossville, Ga.

Daily prayer strengthens lives

Think for a moment concerning all the input about prayer, and take heart. God is pleased when his teaching is a part of our everyday lives. Believe me, those who seek Him out on a daily basis in prayer are regularly strengthening their purpose in life, because they have discovered that God answers prayer.

MERILYN HALL, Lookout Mountain, Ga.

Hoss atop list of good candidates

I personally know many of the candidates for Soddy-Daisy's next judge. I have worked with some of the candidates on numerous occasions. A few of the candidates were generous enough to offer much-needed advice when I first opened my law practice. As a resident of Soddy-Daisy who frequently represents individuals in our municipal court, I believe our community is very fortunate to have such excellent choices for our next judge. One specific candidate, however, is uniquely suited for the position.

Bryan Hoss began his legal career as in the Hamilton County District Attorney's office before earning his law degree. He has since represented clients in a variety of courts, from city courts to the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals. Because of this experience, he is able to understand the impact our local courts have at both the local and federal level. Because of his experience assisting the district attorney before entering private practice, Bryan understands the perspectives of both the prosecution and the defense.

I respect all the candidates running for Soddy-Daisy's next judge, but I can only endorse one. I will vote for Bryan Hoss, and I encourage my neighbors to do the same.


Cobb will help keep taxes down

Wake up, Rhea County! We need to keep Jim Cobb as our state representative. He is against all taxes! If Ron Travis wins, we are lost; he will go along with the commissioners who are pushing for a wheel tax. Jim Cobb has always helped us with keeping down taxes.

BILL COLE, Dayton, Tenn.

Income not rising like cost of living

I am disabled, unemployed and on a fixed income. I am disabled with TBI (traumatic brain injury). TBI has over 200 side effects, and each side effect has side effects of its own.

The disabled people and senior citizens only get a 3 percent increase a year, while everyone else gets 5 percent or more a year. The disabled and senior citizens should get two 3 percent increases six months apart. Just about all the big people get from 6 percent to 9 percent increase yearly. They don't know how to handle it. The cost of living is going up, not 5 cents or 10 cents. It's going up more than you think. Everybody is holding money tight; nothing is free these days.

Look at the price of food. The more it goes up, the more tax we pay. Food is like medication; we don't pay tax on prescription medication. We should not have to pay tax on food. Everything is going up, but our income is not going up like the cost of living. When the cost of living goes up, our income ought to go up no matter what time of year it is.


Seek compromises in prayer debate

When I moved to Hamilton County nine years ago, I was astonished to find that when a prayer was offered at a meeting or community event, it always included the words "in Jesus' name." I have lived in several other cities, and in those places, it would have been unthinkable to offer such a prayer at an event attended by non-Christians. To do so would have marked the speaker as, at best, oblivious, and, at worst, rude and inconsiderate. Prayers are still offered, but are addressed to a "heavenly Father." Alternatively, individuals of various faiths take turns offering prayers in their traditions, so that Christians might bow their heads to a prayer offered by a Jew or Muslim, and vice versa. These compromises seemed to work for almost everyone, and interestingly also are consistent with the judicial precedents in this area, which recognize this country's tradition of praying before meetings and events.

The County Commission will certainly lose if it attempts to defend its current practice, after wasting thousands in legal fees. I hope that local civic and community organizations also reconsider their practices in this area so that prayer can serve to unite rather than divide us.

CATHERINE LONG, Signal Mountain

Desegregation story was inspirational

Thank you, WTVC. Your program, "Reaching the Light. The Story of the Desegregation of the University of Chattanooga," was informative and inspirational. I only wish it was promoted better so more people could have seen it.


Berke's bipartisan leadership needed

Whether one is a Democrat or Republican, I believe that most of us are sick and tired of the petty partisan bickering that has virtually paralyzed Congress and kept our government at all levels from being as effective as it should be. Rather than work together to deal with the very real and serious problems our country is facing, members of both parties engage in destructive infighting and "gotcha" tactics. We need leaders at all levels -- federal, state and local -- who can and will work across party lines for the benefit of all our people.

Sen. Andy Berke is such a leader. Despite the reality that he was the lone local Democrat in the Tennessee Senate, Andy worked with Republicans across party lines to pass meaningful legislation in education, supporting veterans, cutting government waste, and helping the unemployed get back to work. Now Andy Berke has announced his candidacy for mayor of Chattanooga. We especially need his kind of energy and bipartisan leadership in that office at this time. I support Andy Berke and invite each of you join me in that support.


Prison Family Day an inspiring event

Our recent adventure to Family Day at Walker State Prison was a most inspiring experience. To see an entire community, including staff, religious leaders and volunteers, promote positive family relationships, building lasting bonds between fathers and their children, was an incredible sight. The generosity, compassion and joy with which every single detail was handled is truly a testament to the grace of God. Homemade pound cakes, hand-drawn artwork, beautiful homemade flowers, cotton candy, and the best hot dogs I have ever tasted -- these are tangible evidence that this community believes in the power of second chances.

You have no idea how you have changed these lives forever. You are to be commended. Speaking for one family, we will be forever grateful for your efforts. This cutting-edge effort at penal reform will drastically reduce recidivism and prove to be a more effective use of public expenditures. Thanks to everyone involved.

DONNA P. FISHER, Lilburn, Ga.

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CLINTON GRANT, you remind me of the story about the Peasant. The Peasant's neighbor had a cow, so the Peasant prayed to God: Please God, kill my neighbor's cow!

You know you're actually benefiting by more people available to work instead of having more government bureaucrats dedicated to tracking them down.

Or are government jobs real jobs now? I can never keep track of them.

ANDRE BERTIN, not pay a tax on groceries? What state do you think this is? (Florida, New Jersey, Georgia, California, Wyoming...the list goes on)

CATHERINE LONG, Compromise? In the name of Jesus? The Domionionists cannot do that. Jesus wants them to stand strong, and bring about his kingdom on Earth.

June 24, 2012 at 12:41 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Clinton Ross,

I bet you're a racist. Just my opinion. I've met a few in my day. And you talk just like them.

June 24, 2012 at 2:14 a.m.

Easy, there you go, like most liberal, bringing up race and the race card. SO, SO predicatable. LOL

June 24, 2012 at 4:03 a.m.

Clinton makes a good point. Liberals are also behind the idea of free tuition for illegal aliens. Boy, citizenship, and tax paying citizens have taken a hit in the last 3 and half years.

June 24, 2012 at 4:07 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Still spilling untruths on this board I see BBND. NoBODY said anything about 'free' tuition except perhaps limbaugh or some idiot on faux news. Nothing like the hit we took from 8 years of GOPer's ruining this country, taking it to the brink, and then a Democratic president can't get it fixed fast enough for you, huh?

June 24, 2012 at 6:35 a.m.
shen said...

I guess Mr. Grant doesn't know that more immigrants entered the U.S. under Ronald Reagan than any president since Teddy Roosevelt.

"Ronald Reagan legalized 2.8 million undocumented workers."

Mr. Grant seems to have forgotten the image of Bush Jr. standing at that podium basically instructing, begging even, for immigrants to cross the border. He didn't specify whether or not they had to be legal. Just come! Bush even used that age old excuse, They, illegals, take the jobs Americans refuse to do. He also proudly stood alongside former president, Vicente Fox, who stated migration is a natural phenomena.

Many of you have selective memory loss.

June 24, 2012 at 7:04 a.m.
anniebelle said...

As the nation's attention turns back to the fractured debate over immigration, it might be helpful to remember that in 1986, Ronald Reagan signed a sweeping immigration reform bill into law. It was sold as a crackdown: There would be tighter security at the Mexican border, and employers would face strict penalties for hiring undocumented workers. But the bill also made any immigrant who'd entered the country before 1982 eligible for amnesty — a word not usually associated with the father of modern conservatism. Reagan said as much himself in a televised debate with Democratic presidential nominee Walter Mondale in 1984. "I believe in the idea of amnesty for those who have put down roots and lived here, even though some time back they may have entered illegally," he said. The bill helped 3 million people and millions more family members gain American residency. It has since become a source of major embarrassment for conservatives, if they knew any truths.

June 24, 2012 at 7:12 a.m.
moon4kat said...

I, too, recall when Ronald Reagan supported amnesty for millions of undocumented residents in 1986. Reagan would be kicked out of the current GOP for that.

June 24, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.
shen said...

JonRoss said... In 1986 amnesty was an issue of humanity. In 2012 amnesty is a pillar of Democrat party hegemony

Now, that's really funny! I'm taking it the above statement is part of your stand up comedy routine? "In 1986 amnesty was an issue of humanity" under Reagan? You should win the comedy Oscar for that one.

Actually, even then Reagans goal was to bring down wages and start the process of busting up Unions. The same as when southern blacks began to migrate north and payed lower wages for their skills on jobs. Some of America's most deadliest rioting broke out because of that. That's the way the powerful controls, manipulates and turn the working classes and poor against one another.

June 24, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
Easy123 said...


I'm allowed to deem something racist that sounds racist.


"Once again I beseech happywithignorance, easy and ann to leave the front door of their abode unlocked, the lights on, the frig stocked, the credit card on the table, car keys in the car, and the medicine cabinet full, and then don't do a single friggin thing when someone enters your house uninvited. Thats what you are proposing we do on a national basis."

Just so happens, these people are already here. Getting an education. Doing well in our country. I'm ok with that. They aren't breaking into your house. This is a country. They will have to pay taxes and do everything you do. Why do you think you are entitled to something here?

Also, I know what the word 'illegal' means. And these people aren't illegal. They will have work permits making them fully legal. Good try though.

June 24, 2012 at 11:46 a.m.
Easy123 said...


"But the parents must return to their homelands."

More illegals are being deported under Obama than under Bush.

"Barack Obama is totally responsible for the radicalization of Egypt. The blood of everyone who will now die at the hands of his friends the radical muzzies is on Barack Hussien Obama's hands."

"The hate the left has for working class Black and White American citizens in favor of illegals is racism at its worse."

Now everyone knows how crazy you are! And now we should all discredit everything you say from now on. This is absolutely illogical, psychotic, hate speech. Have you been drinking or something?

June 24, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
shen said...

JohnRoss said..."Turn one group against another. Women against men. Blacks agains Whites. Black Hispanics against White Hispanics. Non-productive again Tax Payers. Muslims against Christians. Democrats agains Mormons. Obama is a hate filled individual who thank Allah will be sent back to Chicago in January.

You are sooo funny!! You're confusing President Obama with Bush, Chin chin chimney, Condomn rice patty, Rumplestilkinrumblefeld and FINALLY, the Pee party, right wingnut fanatics/extremists hiding behind a facade of gawd, c*untry and patriotismISMISM. %>

June 24, 2012 at 12:29 p.m.
anniebelle said...

JonRoss, I'd be interested to know what school you went to that taught you to be so dumb?

June 24, 2012 at 1:36 p.m.
Livn4life said...

Just to look at the seething responses on here to the articles and to each other shows how deeply divided this nation is. How much longer can we be a "house divided against itself?" It has been proven such a house cannot stand. It is sad that there just cannot be a "right" upon which everyone agrees. The politics of it all keep the whole ugly scene going. I am indeed alarmed.

June 24, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...


You and your lot are the people dividing the country. Don't blame anyone else. You alienate everyone. How can you blame anyone but yourself? You only want the "right" that you accept. Stop acting like the victim. You are the instigator.

June 24, 2012 at 2:11 p.m.

Seems to me somebody is suggesting bringing Democracy to the the point of a bayonet.

Of course they neglect to note American involvement in the governance of those countries they deride. The United States will reap the fruit of the seeds it has sown.

Livn4life, just don't fall for the trap of false equivalence. Occasionally you have to listen to Lincoln:

Neither let us be slandered from our duty by false accusations against us, nor frightened from it by menaces of destruction to the Government nor of dungeons to ourselves. Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it.

Lincoln and other abolitionists of the time were derided as trouble-makers and rabble-rousers. But were they in the wrong?

Is letting the true legacy of freedom be destroyed a good trade? I cannot agree, despite the protests of so many petty tyrants who want to keep their freedom to oppress.

June 24, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
shen said...

Livn4life said... Just to look at the seething responses on here to the articles and to each other shows how deeply divided this nation is. How much longer can we be a "house divided against itself?" It has been proven such a house cannot stand. It is sad that there just cannot be a "right" upon which everyone agrees. The politics of it all keep the whole ugly scene going. I am indeed alarmed.

Live, I've been reading through some of your prior posts. All the way back to and beyond January. All of your posts are attacks against anyone and everyone here who has a different opinion than yours. Suggestion: Take the advice of Easy123, and look in the mirror at your own reflection. Heal your own hatred. Save your own soul.

June 24, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Proof please!

Your comments reflect a serious mental disorder that borders on psychosis. That, along with your absurdly ignorant posts, only adds to the list of reasons to discredit everything you say.

June 24, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...


You're a victim of nothing. You post stupid crap and I call you out on it. Your posts are all the proof I need to make my assertions. But continue to whine, I'll continue to not care.

June 24, 2012 at 6:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Just because you don't like to read doesn't mean the posts are any of what you say. Who cares if they are multi-paragraph? Read them. If you don't want to read them, then shut up.

Alprova's post addressed everything in the article presented. How is that bad? How is it a seven hour diatribe?

It had more intellectual material than you have ever posted on these threads.

June 24, 2012 at 6:14 p.m.
shen said...

JonRoss said... shen and 123 are two of the most vicious racists to post at the TFP. I am offended daily by their lack of respect for diversity and common sense. Their comments reflect a serious lack of intellectual curiosity

Are you pitiful? desperate? or just pitifully desperate? little johnny? I don't post @ TFP everyday. YOU LIE! lol

June 24, 2012 at 6:15 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Prove what? Read you previous post, Biff. You've already proved it.

June 24, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.

The quality of discussion on this site is often telling.

June 24, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
shen said...

JonRoss said... your comments shen are the height of bigotry

Please, JR, don't confuse me and others here who've proven your every posts are flawed, without merit and at times an exaggeration if not an outright lie. There's nothing bigoted in any of my posts. Look it up! Although, I might peek in and read in regularly if I have time, though not daily, I don't post here everyday.

You know something else, JR? You might just be a fairly decent person, however one can actually feel the venom and negative energy coming from the words you post on this forum.

June 24, 2012 at 8 p.m.

So am I easy, and I deem Democrats to be racists.

June 24, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.

The fact is that Obama has little respect for citizenship and citizens. He's rewarding lawbreakers by allowing them to compete with citizens. His attempt, before he backed out, to give civilian trials to terrorists/enemy combatants is another example of his disrespect for tax paying and law abiding citizens. He made a speech on the border, in El Paso I think it was, ridiculing the borders states' efforts to defend their borders.

His wasteful spending with our tax dollars is another example of how he doesn't respect tax' paying and law abiding citizens.

June 24, 2012 at 10 p.m.

He has very little empathy for those who are fighting to stay afloat in this economy. If he did have empathy, he wouldn't do what he did. He did it STRICTLY for what he perceives to be political gain. Nothing more.

I'll say it again, LOUD AND CLEAR, Democrats are racists and stereotypers because they will not accept anyone stepping out of the role they've assigned to them. Blacks cannot belong to any other party but the Democrat Party, "Mexican Americans" are all fine with Mexican nationals breaking into the country because they share a common ancestry, Women who vote for Republicans are stupid traitors, and so on and so on.

June 24, 2012 at 10:10 p.m.

You know you're doing what you are for the gain you perceive you'll get from it.

You're mistaken though, as the transparently hypocritical nature of your words is obvious. You treat blacks, Hispanics and other women as fools who are just falling for what you claim are false promises.

You can't understand how their actual needs are being met, how they actually do want something other than the scorn and abuse that you willfully heap upon them.

You don't even realize you're the one who has no respect for citizens and citizenship. See your own disdain for actual trials. Apparently you forget one of the original grievances against the King of England.

But I'm sure your great empathy isn't lacking. You aren't having a problem accepting that others just don't buy your heaping load of redolent BS because of what it is.

June 24, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.
Fendrel said...


I find no end to the irony of your statement. It sounds wickedly similar to a parable told in the New Testament about the workers in the vineyard.

A tale told to suppress the whining and complaining by the Jews of the day to Jesus teaching that anyone, even at the last moment who wanted the Grace of God would be welcome, even though they may not have worked as hard or long as those who spent their lives in obedience to God.

Later, Paul had the same problem with the Jews who complained that it wasn't fair to open the gates of heaven , as it were, to the gentiles.

It isn't about being "fair" to you, it's about extending grace, forgiveness and an opportunity to belong to a great society. I cannot understand those who proclaim how wonderful the grace of God is, and at the same time act in such a legalistic, bitter and hostile manner to those they perceive as a threat to what they have received.

Even us atheists understand that.

June 24, 2012 at 11:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...


They aren't illegal immigrants. The executive order by Obama was not unconstitutional. All that other crap you said is babble. Failed attempt at trying to be poetic or clever.

June 24, 2012 at 11:49 p.m.

JAHCHILD, that presumes several things. You seem to be using the word "illegal" in a sense that conflates it with "criminal" when the reality is anything but.

For example, that the immigration laws are themselves just and constitutional. Which is not the case. Sorry about that. Sometimes a person violates immigration laws in a way that does not merit a crime(See why there are amnesty provisions written into the laws), sometimes the Constitution has been used as a shield to cover a variety of conduct that is unjust (see miscegnation laws, restrictive covenants, and other aspects of segregation), it is not criminal for something to be unconstitutional, especially by some of the strict allowance-only interpretations which try to limit coverage in a minimalist sense, so by default, they cannot treat something as illegal, just not permitted. And no, it's not unconstitutional for something to be illegal, if it were, then we'd have to forbid crimes.

But to answer your last question, neither the Constitution nor any other law should be enforced when the result is not just and true. The Constitution is not a suicide pact, it is not a tool to be used to allow, or even foster abuses and oppression.

Yet you seem to want to do that, even as you proclaim your freedoms are at stake.

Except the only freedom you want is force your way on others, in the name of freedom.

Easy123: It certainly does come across as blind rhetoric rather than an honest attempt at dialogue, but then that's been his style for a while.

It's really a bit like reading a soliloquy.

June 24, 2012 at 11:58 p.m.

If anybody believes that any secular law is supposed to be absolute, they are mistaken. In fact, that's why we can't have religious laws, since it does not permit for uncertainty and doubt in most people's minds.

For example, yours. You are certain that you have an absolute and unquestionable authority that backs you. Don't deny it, you do.

The problem are the one interpreting what you believe to be the Rule of Christ, Christ is not acting, you are.

Of course, the Domionionists believe that Christ IS acting through them, and would not allow them to err, but that is the kind of solipsistic thinking that leads to a great deal of tragedy.

Are you falling into that same trap? It surely seems so.

You also seem to believe that "Of, By and, For the People" is an unquestionable standard that means it must be the true way. It's not. Anybody with a lick of sense knows that the mass of people can be as mistaken as any individual.

This is why we do not have untempered pure Democracy, but a Republic. With Checks and Balances.

I honestly think you're relying too much on muddled phrases and half-clear interpretations and not breaking things down enough to recognize their parts and pieces.

Then again, that does come from the style of your postings which are less engaging with others, and more like pronouncements. Have you ever thought about what your presentation looks like to others?

But yes, one person can change the law, if they have the authority because the rest of us realize that sometimes one person, acting in an appropriate capacity can do a lot of good that a group can't. It's why we have an Executive. This doesn't mean that the other parts have no say (the Legislature and the Courts), just that sometimes they don't accomplish what's right on their own.

Have you ever asked yourself why the President has the power to pardon? That was deliberately included in the Constitution from the start. Why?

Because sometimes the laws lead to injustice. God may be able to make perfect judgments, but the people who believe he has ruled their courts are probably regretting their error now.

Will a President sometimes fail? Absolutely. But is that a reason for your dogmatic demands to follow what you should well know is not a perfect law?

June 25, 2012 at 12:49 a.m.

Silly lefties, you're ridiculous.

Once again, they're not "illegal immigrants", they're illegal aliens. They snuck across the border, came in without permission, broke into the country,and they didn't enter the proper way. They weren't supposed to be here. Got it?

This will hurt Obama in the fall. Nobody likes when someone cuts in line. Nobody likes when someone gets away with doing something wrong, then gets rewarded for it.

That is essentially what Obama has done.

What is really telling about him is that he passes something of that magnitude and doesn't have the stones to answer questions about it. That's what dictators do. They don't feel they need to answer to anyone.

This week, when the Supreme Court destroys "Obamacare", the law which "needed to pass in order to see what's in it " Obama will have to aborb another blow.

June 25, 2012 at 1:10 a.m.

I said he passes, what i should have said was he decrees.

June 25, 2012 at 1:20 a.m.
Easy123 said...


They aren't illegal. They were minors. And they have been here for at least 5 years.

This will work in Obama's favor in the fall. It already has.

No one cut in line. They haven't done anything wrong. They are children. None of this will affect you in the least. You're not supposed to be here either. Ask any Native American. Got it? You just like to bitch and moan about Obama. It's your religion.

He doesn't have to answer questions about it. His announcement wasn't a Q/A. And he has talked about it extensively in speeches. But I'm sure you haven't see those. Look up the word "dictator" because you still don't understand what it means.

I'd bet my home that you don't know the first thing about Obamacare. You just don't like it because it has 'Obama' in the title.

You show your ignorance with every post. You are "eat up with it", as they say.

June 25, 2012 at 1:53 a.m.
Easy123 said...


You do realize that vaginal intercourse can cause tears and damage, right? No? I didn't think so. Does that make vaginal intercourse unnatural?

Biblical laws mean absolutely nothing. There are morals that are universal like: don't kill, steal, or harm others. Be kind to others. And none of these are exclusive to the Bible.

You still haven't proven that Jesus existed.

Also, there is not such thing as 'Homosexual AIDS/HIV'. It's just HIV/AIDS. The virus doesn't know the difference between a homosexual or an intravenous drug user.

The executive order isn't a law. It's an executive order. There is a difference. Look it up.

You have a weird thing going about pedophilia. You mention it in the majority of your posts and now you're giving graphic details about the Jerry Sandusky case. You might need to seek psychiatric care about your little obsession. It's very, very strange.

June 25, 2012 at 2:02 a.m.
Easy123 said...

I actually believe there was a historical rabbi like Jesus. But there is very, very little evidence. Now, prove he was the "Son of God", holy, a deity, etc.

June 25, 2012 at 2:54 a.m.

JAHCHILD, you know you're going to be upset when you do the research and realize that...interpretations and beliefs about Christian Law have changed, and no, there has not been any great acts by God or Jesus to teach people the error of their ways.

That's just the arrogance of Domionionism showing. Which is a new heresy.

You should be ashamed of yourself, but you're actually quite convinced that unless you're struck down, it's valid. Rather sad.

But you complain about NAMBLA, when Westboro gets charity status as well as a website? Methinks you need to re-assess your priorities.

And if you want to see bleeding from a bodily orifice, talk about an ulcer! Or you know, vaginal birth. Do you know how many women can die from that? Intercourse is the least of it.

blondebutnotdumb, 60+% approval of the actions of Obama, I think it might just hurt him into office. And with SB 1070 being mostly overturned, yet Arizona's governor claiming a victory, I think we can't trust your assessment on the PPACA either.

But you know who did prove themselves a lying hypocrite? Scalia, who said "State's Rights" for Arizona, but denied it for Montana.

Why does Scalia hate Montana's state laws, but not Arizona's?

June 25, 2012 at 11:58 p.m.
Easy123 said...

What are you talking about?

June 26, 2012 at 1:29 a.m.

He's inventing false accusations because he doesn't realize that's a sin.

I'm not at all amazed at how far people will go to violate Jesus's teachings in order to advance their false agenda while simultaneously trying to claim their own virtue.

June 26, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Homosexual activity is not child abuse, Ken Orr. It is activity between two consenting adults of the same sex. Pedophilia is ALWAYS wrong, and is more often between adult males and female children than any other combination. Stop lying-dishonesty in the name of Jesus is dishonesty still.

June 27, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
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