published Thursday, June 28th, 2012

5-at-10: The draft, recruiting, and the Braves

Your guys rocked it Wednesday, especially since the 5-at-10 was tending to some stuff away from the TFP. And gang, we have one open spot for Friday's mailbag and the contest deadline is today. We're still dealing with a lot of stuff.

From the "Talks Too Much" Studios, here we go...

NBA draft

We love the draft. You know this.

We'll post the entries in the draft contest after lunch.

This week we've discussed a slew of aspects from the draft from John Stockton to the Hawks drafting futility to the five guys that we think will be the best pros in this draft (A-Davis, Beal, MKG, Doc's boy and Jeremy Lamb).

Let's make a few predictions about tonight that go beyond the obvious that A-Davis is the most certain No. 1 since Tim Duncan:

1) Tonight is going to be a great commercial for the Kentucky basketball program and Coach Calipari. The same can't be said for UNC, which will have as many first-round picks but fell short in the tournament. (Side question: Does anyone else feel cheated that we did not get a UNC-UK showdown in the NCAA title game? Yeah, we do too.).

2) Dwight Howard will be the biggest name in a night loaded with trades. LeBron's "Decision" did a few things beyond making him a pariah for 18 months. It also showed teams that getting 75 cents on the dollar is better than getting nothing when stars leave as free agents.

3) There will be at least one future All-Star drafted outside the lottery, and the front runner is Jared Sullinger, who has had his draft stock tumble because of injury concerns.

4) Anthony Davis is going to be drafted first. Yes, we know we covered this already, but we needed to toss out this stat from our man RJ Bell of pregame.com: If you want to bet on Davis being the No. 1 pick you have to wager 9,800 bucks to win $100. Those odds are smaller than the space between the Uniblocker's eye brows.

5) There are going to be no shortages of conspiracy stories tonight involving the league-owened New Orleans Hornets, who won the lottery and have the first pick and the 10th pick. The Hornets will add Davis and could add Austin Rivers, a duo that was ranked as the top players coming out of high school last year. Going back to 2003 when LeBron was the No. 1 overall pick coming out of high school, here's a look at the top-ranked prep players in the country according to Rivals.com:

2011 — Austin Rivers, Anthony Davis

2010 — Josh Selby, Harrison Barnes (Kyrie Irving was No. 4)

2009 — John Wall, DeMarcus Cousins

2008 — BJ Mullens, Jrue Holiday

2007 — Michael Beasley, Derrick Rose

2006 — Greg Oden, Kevin Durant

2005 — Gerald Green, Andrew Bynum

2004 — Dwight Howard, Shaun Livingston

2003 — LeBron James, Luol Deng

Other than 2008, what GM would not seriously consider selling one of his kids to land those two names in any draft?

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Back-to-back for the Braves

The Braves have won two in a row to start their longest homestand of the season. This makes us smile.

No we're not a flag-waving Johnny Braves Fan, we just know that summers in the South are more fun when the Braves are in the mix. It's just that simple and it gives Southern guys a guaranteed fall-back topic with other Southern guys.

In fact, the three main pitches for summer discussions between acquaintances are the heat, the Braves and college football is around the corner. If the Braves stink, it's just the heat and how long until kickoff.

So keep battling Bravos, we want you on that ball we need you on that ball.

As for the team, two quick observations:

1) Jason Heyward is slap slapping the baseball. He was the player of the week last week and is got to be among the front runners for players of the month. With his homer last night, Heyward is hitting .395 this month with six homers. We talked about his importance to this lineup as the difference maker — the guy that swings the order from pretty good to pretty great when he's hitting — and the Braves are 5-2 in their last seven games. During that stretch, Heyward is 14-for-26 and has raised his average 30 points to .282. Well-played indeed.

2) Craig Kimbrel is money. Cold, hard, cash money. Dude has not allowed a run since May 4 and in nine innings in June he has fanned 17 and allowed two hits. He's the best in the business and it's not all that close.

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Recruiting survey

The good folks at Rivals.com surveyed more than 80 of the top rising high school football seniors, and the results were very interesting.

The survey is far from scientific of course but the results — which were easier to gather by naturally offering the players anonymity — were in some cases shocking and in others exactly what you'd expect. The complete survey is here http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1379643 and here were some of the highlights:

Most intimidating coach: Nick Saban (30 votes), Lane Kiffin (5), Will Muschamp (4)

Easiest to talk to: Gene Chizik (8 votes), Mack Brown (6), Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian (5)

Most persuasive: Chizik, Kiffin and James Franklin (tied with 4 votes) (Side note: There were 23 coaches mentioned as an answer here.)

Best game-day atmosphere: USC (10 votes), Texas (9), Alabama (8)

There are seven more questions on there. Interesting stuff, no? And was anyone surprised that Saban would be the most intimidating?

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This and that

— OK, all the regulars know this is a family-oriented, interweb-based (F-O-I-B) sports column. Occasionally we mix in some pop culture to add some spice. Today will be one of those days. Quincy Jones called out P-Diddy's talents and said the current music mogul "wouldn't know a B-flat" if it hit him. Well, if it hit P-Diddy in the wallet he may never know it, since it's stuffed with half a billion — yes, billion with a 'B' — bucks from his success.

— Did you see the story that Kenny Rogers sold his Georgia lakefront estate before it went to auction? We'll avoid the knowing when to hold 'em and fold 'em jokes out of respect to "The Gambler." Dude sold more than 50 million records after all. (But, at the closing, we bet you could have heard a pin drop when Kenny stopped and locked the door.)

— The Giants just swept the Dodgers with three consecutive shutouts.

— More draft stuff: This draft is so loaded, it's hard to remember a time when so few foreign players were being discussed.

— Programming note: We'll be on with Chris Goforth at 2 p.m. today

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Today's question(s)

We've discussed the drama that has been the Olympic trials. It's been gripping.

Above and beyond the rest, how great is the duel between Ryan Lochte and Michael Phelps in the US swimming trials?

And who's with us on team Lochte?

If that doesn't float your boat, we heard an interesting question on Mike and Mike this morning. They were discussing the value of a championship to a player's career and resume. They asked whether a sure-fire Hall of Famer like Charles Barkley who never won a title would trade his career for that of a Robert Horry, someone who was a important cog on teams that won several titles?

Discuss, and remember about the mailbag and the draft contest (send us who you think will be the second pick/the number of SEC players in round one/who the Hawks draft first/who has the "most impactful" suit).

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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BIspy4 said...

Think the Dodgers miss Matt Kemp a little? Just a smidge?

What about the earth-shattering news today? No, not the Supreme Court. The Nationwide tour becoming the Web.com tour? (Web.com? Isn't that just a little ree-dundant?)

And with Mo on the shelf, is Kimbrel the most dominating reliever in the bigs right now? I say unequivocally ... yes.

June 28, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
Stewwie said...

For the contest:

Thomas Robinson/8/Jeff Taylor/Andre Drummond.

I can't see Barkley trading his career to that of a role player's. Sure he'd enjoy the rings, but not if it means playing 3rd fiddle.

June 28, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
fechancellor said...

10 Ring, Robert Horry nearly always elevated his game in the playoffs. I'm most familiar with him bombing clutch threes for the Lakers during Shaq's three year run.

Craig Nettles was huge for the Yankees in winning two World Series with his dynamite glove and long ball bat.

There are many players (remember Bucky Dent) who elevated their games in the playoffs for championship teams. The Veteran's Committee may some day take up their cases, but I doubt the sports writers will.

June 28, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
chas9 said...

Selling one of his kids? Did you run that line by the Mrs. 5@10? Does she read this forum?

Yes, baby blue vs. Real KY Blue would've been great. And the odds would've been a little closer than 98-1.

Saban intimidating? I stood next to little Nick. He's about 5'5". And skinny. Now Florida Evans, that's intimidating.

June 28, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

We all knew the Dodgers were rolling with Andre Either and a faceless crew of never will bes and, "Hey, is that so-and-so's kid." It was destined to crash at some point.

Side note: After going 27 straight innings without a run, the Dodgers' equipment truck broke down on the way to the S.F. airport. You can write the punch line for that one with your eyes closed.

Kimbrel is far-and-away the best right now — and blasphemous or not — likely would be even if Mo was still throwing for the Yankees.

Stew lost that lovin' feelin' —

You're in.

And we concur that Barkley would never trade his career for Horry and his seven rings. (Yes, SEVEN rings).

How about this one though: Would Dan Marino trade his career and all those stats and records for Steve Young's? Discuss.

FE to the C —

Wow Craig Nettles... great call. Those Yankees teams had such a cast of pros. Nettles, Dent, Chris Chambliss, Munson, Rivers, Reggie, Willie Randolph, Pinella.

Only Reggie got in the Hall (Munson would have made it had he not died) but what a group of talent.

9er —

Yes, the Mrs. 5-at-10 is regular reader, and there's no way we'd every put the tots on the market. But don't you know the Clippers GM would consider it.

Dang right Flo Evans is intimidating. Just ask J.J.

— 5-at-10

June 28, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

Nettles? Satan.

Dent? Satan's Satan.

Mickey Rivers? Satan with speed.

Munson? Hard to speak ill of the dead but still with Satanic leanings.

Chambliss? Satan who found redemption by joining the Braves. (Nettles did too but he was a shadow of his evil self by then).

Reggie? Satan's favorite hot dog.

Piniella? Satan.

Willie Randolph? Satan.

Those Sat... I mean Yankees ... ah to heck with it ... those Satanic teams of the mid-late 90s had their share of those who made deals with the man at a country crossroads at midnight ... Scott Brosius? Paul O'Neill? Charlie Hayes? Luis Sojo? Chad Curtis? Tino Martinez? All key parts of the Satanbrenner's Satans in the late 90s. All Satans.

Ain't none of them getting into the Hall either.

June 28, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
Stewwie said...

I think Danno the Manno would trade careers with Steve Young. Young had very respectable stats and topped off his Super Bowl win with a whopping 6 TDs!

Young has the 3rd-best career passer rating of all time (for QBs with a minimum of 1,500 passes thrown). Marino is 17th. Aaron Rodgers is currently on top. You'll never guess who is sitting at #2...not Manning, not the other Manning, not Brady, not Brees, but...wait for it...Tony Romo! Don't ask me how.

June 28, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
deboman said...

Unfortunately for Quincy, he and Puff Daddy are from different eras. If they had come up at the same time, I am fairly certain Puffy would be fetching Quincy his coffee. Jones was spot on with his assessment. However, it would be hard to argue against Puffy’s business acumen, he has done well, quite well.

In the battle of Team Phlelps vs Team Lochte, I think the winner here is the fan (Yeah, I know, cheez whiz). These two are going to torch the pool and the competition in London. Glad to see Lochte getting his due and finding a spot outside of Phelps’ shadow. He will probably take the 400 IM and possibly the 200 IM (team participants yet to be selected), but Phelps will take the rest. I have to say that the happiest non-qualifiers have to be the ones that are gonna be on the relays with these two guys, talk about having a couple of ringers on your squad. The team itself is shaping up pretty nicely. Grevers crushed in the 100 back last night! Probably the most impressive swim so far.

June 28, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

Sooooo, if the Yankees were playing the 1980 Russians in a pick-up game, who you pulling for?

Stew —

Just because you're using facts and research, don't expect the rest of us to as well. Deal? Deal.

That said, passer rating may be the craziest stat ever. Few people know how it's calculated, it's different for colleges and the NFL and a perfect score in the NFL is 158.3. Who came up with this and who thinks perfect is 158.3? It's a cool number that puts a huge value on yards per attempt (which is good and bad — rewarding accuracy but also inflating the numbers of guys in the West Coast system) and TD-Int ratio.

As for Romo, we got nothing... unless the hotness of significant others is factored in there. In which case the 5-at-10 has a QB rating of 2,004.

— 5-at-10

June 28, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
fechancellor said...

Bipsy,

You've read Sparky Lyle's "The Bronx Zoo" too; I'm guessing.

From Wiki...

"Darold Knowles (A's Team Mate) once when asked if Jackson was a hotdog, 'There isn't enough mustard in the world to cover Reggie Jackson.'"

...and who can forget the Reggie Bar.

June 28, 2012 at 12:17 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Deboman —

A 30-for-30 about Bad Boy records and the rise of Puffy to media mogul would be worth watching.

Fetching coffee. Good times. Let's play some then-now coffee fetching quick answer...

Jim Nantz would be fetching Cosell's coffee;

Nick Saban would be fetching Bear's Irish coffee;

Oprah — billoionaire and all — would be fecthing Lucille Ball's coffee... and she better not forget the sugar.

And that fan being the winner line is sooooo sweet. Hallmark on line 2.

— 5-at-10

June 28, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

No, but I did read Jim Bouton's "Ball Four." Did that in lieu of going to class one quarter.

The Satans vs. the red-clad Soviet machine ... hmm ... Krutov, Makarov, Tretiak (best goalie ever, by the way ... see what I did there, 5?), Fetisov, Kharlamov, Mikhailov, Turnthelightov, Didyouturntheironov ...

Yep. I'm pulling for the Russkies. We beat them. Why should I hate them? They're not a threat anymore. But the Bronx Satans? There's your Evil Empire.

June 28, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

"Sooooo, if the Yankees were playing the 1980 Russians in a pick-up game, who you pulling for?" - a nuclear bomb?

Romo stats are a product of the short passes, and I have to admit, he is very effective between the 20's, until there is a "pressure game". If he dedicated himself half as much as the big 3 (Manning, Brady, Brees) he would at least have some playoff wins.

June 28, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
jgreeson said...

FE to the C —

Great book. And those who know the 5-at-10 probably have little surprise that we dug Reggie.

Spy —

But remember the Russkie invaded Calumet in "Red Dawn" and killed Matt and Jed Eckert. Never mind what Ivan Drago did to Apollo Creed for crying out loud.

Should the MLB make whomever is managing the Yankees wear a Darth Vader mask? Of course that type of challenge would bring out the worst in Booby Valentine. We could see Booby showing up in a Red Sox logo-emblazoned Yoda get-up.

Good times.

Booby Valentine would be fetching Don Zimmer's coffee FOR SURE.

— 5-at-10

June 28, 2012 at 12:47 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Creed was past his prime. And it was Cubans and Nicaraguans, with some Russian special forces mixed in, invading Calumet High. It wasn't until well after the initial assault that Russian armored units (most likely East Germans anyway) started shootin' up the countryside.

June 28, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
Musicman375 said...

Comparing Puffy to Quincy just doesn't make sense. Quincy is a musician (and a darn fine one at that), whereas Puffy is a pop culture icon. There is most definitely a difference!

And Kimbrel is unquestionably the best in the majors right now. Glad I scored my Kimbrel Rookie of the Year bobble head doll during the Satans-Braves series, because it'll most likely be worth some coin one day.

June 28, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

And the college QB rating number is figured up even higher than the NFL standard.

So if you meet a girl at a bar or at the soda fountain or wherever and she's perfect, do you say, "Sweetie, you are a 158.3!"?

(5 now mutters to himself "no wonder Spy is still single")

June 28, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

Are you saying Powers Boothe was mis-informed and told us a story about the Russians being behind it before pouring his moonshine in the fire? (Side question No. 1: If you are caught behind enemy lines is there ANY way you are wasting even a single drop of alcohol? Even if it's Boone's Farm, it's liquid gold for crying out loud and Powers uses it as a cheap parlor trick. That's it, Powers is i time out.)

And good luck with that, "you're a 158.3" line Spy... we're thinking it would take a miracle for that smooth one to get to Sex Panther status where 60 percent of the time, it works every time.

Musician —

We concur that the comparison doesn't make sense — and we're waiting for Puffy to say "Mr Jones wouldn't know a B as in Billionaire if he parked his car — but we were sharing Quincy's angst/envy of Mr. Combs.

And most definitely hold on to that bobble head.

— 5-at-10

June 28, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Come on, 5, don't forget it was the Russian Gepetto the Cuban and East German Pinocchios danced on a string for (different from the pezzonovante for whom Vito Andolini refused to dance on a string for), so all that was done at their bidding and behest.

June 28, 2012 at 1:50 p.m.
Stewwie said...

Yeah I've always wondered why the passer rating max is 158.3 and not like 100 or something simpler. I like it only as a general guide for performance but it's an incomplete assessment because it only accounts for passing stats and not rushes or any intangibles. However, there's something to be said for consistent performance over a career no matter the offensive system...unless you're Tony Romo and you can't seem to have it all together when it counts.

ESPN tried to one-up the passer rating with its QBR (QB Rating) last year, but it is far more convoluted and the formula is a big secret. Qualitative factors are (at least attempted to be) quantified along with the stats and that only adds to the confusion.

So what's your take on your question, Jay? Does Marino keep his career or does he want to trade with Young?

June 28, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

Dude, you made my head hurt.

Stew —

We say no way Marino swaps. He has that look — you know he's got that look — that numbers were every bit as important as winning.

Marino likes the fact he was the most prolific passer ever, and yes, Favre broke it but that was like Rose breaking the hit record and was as much about duration as domination. We also think Marino enjoys the sympathy and in some ways the attention of being first name mentioned when the best to never win a title discussion comes up. (Dude did glove commercials for crying out loud.)

You're spot on that the passer rating is all we really have, and while we don;t understand how it's figured, we don;t understand ESPN's silly QBR either. And at least with passer rating, we have a history.

And who thinks Spy is going to try that pick up line just out of spite?

(Pssssst... It's still not going to work.)

— 5-at-10

June 28, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
deboman said...

Ahhh Red Dawn...Chapter 1 of the Charlie Sheen Saga. Who know the path that laid in front of him and how entertaining it would become.

Passer Rating and QBR are just part of the expanding geekdom that has developed from the rise of Fantasy Football and the attempt to fill the growing amount of TV time that has emerged with the Four Letter network, NFL Network and others. Each analyst is trying to out think the other and find new ways to evaluate the talent and explain how and why teams will win or lose. Filler and fluff. Looking at Tony Romo specifically, he has surpassed Troy Aikman and holds the majority of passing standards for the Cowboys. Just not the Lombardi Trophy's. Romo has suffered from a lack of running game and consistent defensive support, both of which have increased his need to chuck the ball more than most.

June 28, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
chas9 said...

Spy--Just try asking her if she's from Tennessee. Might could work.

Winning draft contest entry: T-Rob/8/Melo/Beal

But don't be shocked if Our ATL Hawks take Teague. And if the missus says Drummond has the most impactful suit, I'm gonna protest.

June 28, 2012 at 4:56 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Here's the most recent contest entries (there may be a late add before 7 p.m.)

No. 2 pick/SEC players/Hawks' first pick/Impact suit

McPell: Harrison Barnes UNC/7/Sullinger from Ohio St/Fab Melo (with a name like that you know it's going to be good)

5-at-10: Thomas Robinson/6/Fab Melo/Austin Rivers

Mrs. 5-at-10: Brandon Beal/7/Tony Wroten/Andre Drummond

OT Watcher: MKG/8/Sullinger/Perry Jones III

Fred: T-Rob/7/A Nicholson/Anthony Davis

Jefe: Barnes/8/Draymond Green/Arnette Moultrie

StuckinKent — Beal/8/Will Barton/MKG

Dawg747 — MKG/9/SULLINGER/ANTHONY

chas9 — T-Rob/8/Melo/Beal

Stewwie — Thomas Robinson/8/Jeff Taylor/Andre Drummond

Tiger — Beal/8/Sullinger/Davis

scole023 — MKG/7/Melo/Dion Waiters

Weena — Thomas Robinson/7/Evan Fournier/Will Barton

Coach — Thomas Robinson/7/Wroten/Anthony Davis

June 28, 2012 at 6:03 p.m.
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