published Tuesday, March 6th, 2012

Barack Obama's reassurances to Israel on Iran ring hollow

It is appropriate that President Barack Obama has now suggested that the United States would use military force, if necessary, to prevent Iran from building a nuclear weapon with which to carry out its threats against Israel.

But the president's unsteady approach on the Iranian nuclear issue makes it impossible for Israel to be certain that he means what he says. And so his words of reassurance are unlikely to deter Israel from taking action on its own -- possibly this spring -- to halt Iran's nuclear ambitions if Israel believes its survival is at stake.

Obama has shown poor judgment previously by offering to negotiate with Iran directly and without any conditions. And the administration has said that it would provide massive economic and other assistance if Iran will suspend its nuclear activities.

If that sounds at all familiar, it should: It is the same approach that previous administrations took toward Communist North Korea -- and it didn't work. North Korea gladly took the aid but then continued its nuclear program and today is believed to have nuclear weapons. Why we would follow that failure with similar gestures toward Iran's even more irrational leaders is a mystery.

Even while saying in a recent speech that the United States could act against Iran militarily, Obama scolded Israel for its supposedly "loose talk of war" and its "bluster" against Iran. But Israel must deal with Iran's threats more directly than any other country, and it does not have the luxury of being able to hope Iran will cease and desist willingly.

It would be wonderful if no military force against Iran were necessary. But hoping can't make it so.

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acerigger said...

What specific threat(s)has Iran made against Israel?

I'm really curious to know.

March 6, 2012 at 12:54 a.m.
nucanuck said...

This irresponsible editorial is nothing short of a call for the US to wage war against Iran, a country that poses no risk to the US other than refusing to become one of the US client states. The US military is a violent destructive blunt instrument that has no ability to change the political reality within Iran. If we can't defeat the Taliban militarily, if we made secular Iraq a Shia ally of Iran, why would we think that we could bomb Iran into changing their core beliefs?

Iran's right to nuclear weapons is no less than Israel's right, or Pakistan, or China, or the US. No country should have nuclear weapons, but that is not the reality. Claiming that Iran would bomb Israel if they had a nuclear weapon is without substance and defies logic. It is cheap war talk meant to mislead the American public into supporting another illegal war.

Israel's friends, Turkey and Egypt, are turning againt her after years of trying to improve relations. Israel is her own worst enemy. The US should tell Israel that sixty four years of military support is enough and that we must now focus on our own economic problems. Without the US military at Israel's back, Israel's war rhetoric would subside quickly.

March 6, 2012 at 1:12 a.m.
nucanuck said...

acerigger, the answer to your question is zero, zip, nada. It's all made up, mis-translated nonsense that gets repeated often enough that the gullible fall for it.

March 6, 2012 at 1:17 a.m.
joneses said...

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (search) repudiate his statement on Wednesday that "Israel should be wiped off the map."

But no worries as this pathetic fool you disgusting liberals put in office has not the spine or the intellect get involved in any solution to help relieve the tension between Iran and Israel. What your incompetent president is saying to Israel is just another example of this fool being a pathological liar.

March 6, 2012 at 5:32 a.m.
librul said...

Cut Israel loose, for cying out loud. The image of our President genuflecting before AIPAC to assure his re-election is disgusting.

March 6, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.
acerigger said...

A reading of Ahmadinejad's statement suggests quite clearly that the "wiped off the map" is to be taken literally (i.e., that the political boundaries of the region should be redrawn), and not figurately as meaning "wiped off the face of the earth." He explicitly denies that he is talking about "A fight between Judaism and other religions," and explicitly describes the endpoint of the struggle in the Middle East by saying: "It will be over the day a Palestinian government, which belongs to the Palestinian people, comes to power; the day that all refugees return to their homes; a democratic government elected by the people comes to power." There is no talk of "driving the Jews into the sea" or "waging war against Israel" or anything remotely along those lines, merely the expression of support for the goal of a democratic Palestinian state.

"Just as the Soviet Union was wiped out and today does not exist, so will the Zionist regime soon be wiped out."http://lefti.blogspot.com/2006/12/ahmadinejad-clarifies-meaning-of-wiped.html

p.s.he's YOUR president too.

March 6, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
CADMAN1 said...

What rock have you been living under Acerigger?

March 6, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
nucanuck said...

joneses, the degree to which you denigrate the intellect of the POTUS and anyone else with a viewpoint different from your own suggests that you presume yourself to be of superior intellect. Your posts do not reflect your presumption.

March 6, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
nucanuck said...

cadman1, surely you can contribute something more thoughtful than a schoolyard insult.

March 6, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
acerigger said...

Sorry, bringing facts into the "neo-conversation" is a habit I can't seem to overcome.

March 6, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.

Here is a good compilation of Anti-Israel quotes by the hater in chief of Iran.

http://www.adl.org/main_International_Affairs/ahmadinejad_words.htm

March 6, 2012 at 11:32 a.m.
CADMAN1 said...

Simple words for simple minded morons like you and your ilk NucanSuck

March 6, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
jjmez said...

The righties want the "black" man with the "Muslim" sounding name in the "white" house to "prove" himself. They're trying to control history so decades, centuries from now, when we're all dead and gone and several generations removed from this future generation will look back and blame and black man for destroying America and setting the world on fire, and the one who actually started this downward spiral will remain blameless. Whatever you do, Mr. President, DON'T FALL FOR THE TRAP!! Don't become the scapegoat for others.

My greatest disappointment in President obama is others are trying to use him and he doesn't seem to realize or is powerless to do anything about it. History will remember him as the "assassinating" president who went after anyone, even fellow Americans, on an "if" and a "maybe" they're a "threat" to America. Others trying to manipulate and control history are making a mockery of Dr. King and everything he stood for through the president. "But let us all be clear." The president is not in charge. The real power operates behind the scenes. That's the case with any leader of any country.

March 6, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
nucanuck said...

cadman1, apparently name calling passes for thoughtful communication in your world. One question: why would you wish to embarrass yourself with such senseless drivel?

March 6, 2012 at 1:47 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

jjmez said... "....My greatest disappointment in President obama is others are trying to use him and he doesn't seem to realize or is powerless to do anything about it...."

Oh, he realizes and has used it against them. I would not call him powerless to do anything about it. His 18 layer chess game may be hard to keep up, but he is not powerless against the ilk. It is them coming into the game unarmed. If it wasn't for the Koch Devils, there wouldn't be a Republican party. And there basically isn't one now. It is a group of right wing idiots that think they are the chosen ones, calling themselves Republicans. I would think it would irritate the real Republicans. You know the ones that THINK their leaders always balance the budget and work on conservative financial rules.

jjmez said... "Others trying to manipulate and control history are making a mockery of Dr. King and everything he stood for through the president."

You are right. They are trying to do that. I agree with the picture you have painted. They have no idea how to fix this mess they got us into. The Republicans have no intention of winning this election. That is evident.

But there are many of us that have taught and will carry the legacy of Dr. King. I don't see that going away anymore than I think we will have another bra burning.

March 6, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
CADMAN1 said...

Ucansuk...is that the best you can come up with? name calling?....wow, i won't be able to sleep tonite. by the way, why aren't you in school today?

March 6, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
acerigger said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater,saying nasty things about someone cannot be called a "threat".Otherwise,nucanuck and myself have already been threatened!

March 6, 2012 at 2:51 p.m.
tipper said...

Joneses, get that rifle and some desert camo and head right over to Iran and save us all! I think you're the guy for the job. There are probably some of us here that would even buy your plane ticket. You're my hero.

March 6, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.

Did I say something nasty about someone again? The truth no matter how impolite is still the truth.

March 6, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
macropetala8 said...

joneses said... Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (search) repudiate his statement on Wednesday that "Israel should be wiped off the map."

Did Ahmadinejad really say that, joneses? What we got we got in translation. It wouldn't be the first, second, third or 1millionTH time translation were manipulated and turned out false to get the right response from gullible Americans.

But no worries as this pathetic fool you disgusting liberals put in office has not the spine or the intellect get involved in any solution to help relieve the tension between Iran and Israel. What your incompetent president is saying to Israel is just another example of this fool being a pathological liar.

And what about those other fools prior in the White House? They had ample time to go after Iran, but they didn't. Wonder why? They even knew where Bin Laden was all along, but didn't go after him. Again wonder why? They don't want this taint of history on their hands as future reference. No matter what the president does, he's going to be blamed for all the ills, missteps and screw-ups of all past administrations. If you're so bloodthirsty for war, then why don't you sign up and be the first in line when the bombs start droppin? Everyone who is beating the drum war always want someone else to fight their battles for them. None of this taking place now is by chance. Not even the electing of a black man to the white house with a stange name. In the words of Rosanne Barr, "He's the right man for the right time." To take the fall, no doubt.

March 6, 2012 at 5:49 p.m.
acerigger said...

FlyingPurpleSheepleEater said...

Did I say something nasty about someone again? The truth no matter how impolite is still the truth. March 6, 2012 at 5:29 p.m

didn't mean to imply that. Scroll through the previous posts,you'll see what I meant.

March 6, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
acerigger said...

acerigger said...

What specific threat(s)has Iran made against Israel?

I'm really curious to know.

still waiting,,,,,,

March 6, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.
acerigger said...

Shame on you Free Press warmongers,Here's some more for you neo-cons;"The bellicose rhetoric of the campaign trail, which often incorporates accusations that Obama has been insufficiently protective of Israel’s security in the face of an Iranian nuclear threat, has stood in STARK contrast to the messages coming out of Israel’s intelligence and security communities. Indeed, the IAEA has expressed concerns about possible military dimensions to Iran’s nuclear program but neither U.N. nuclear inspectors nor U.S. intelligence officials have concluded that Iran has restarted its nuclear weapons program.

In February, former Israeli intelligence chief Meir Dagan disagreed with the characerization of Iran as an “existential threat” to Israel and current Israeli intelligence chief Tamir Pardo reportedly told a gathering of Israeli ambassadors in December that Iran doesn’t pose an “existential threat” and “the term existential threat is used too freely.”

Also in February, Israeli Lt. Gen. Amnon Lipkin-Shahak reported that the Israeli military’s leadership doesn’t support a strike on Iran and the AP disclosed that Israel’s incoming air force chief Maj. Gen. Amir Eshel is “less enthusiastic about a possible attack on Iran” than the current air force chief, according to defense officials."http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/03/06/439217/halevy-romney-is-making-it-worse-iran/

March 6, 2012 at 9:57 p.m.
Plato said...

Has anyone bothered to ask China if they can spare another few trillion dollars to sponsor the US in another 10 years of military adventurism in the Mid East?

I'm sure our children and grandchildren won't mind since the debt burden we are leaving them is so insanely large already, that a few more trillion will hardly make a difference.

None of this really matters I guess so long as we keep Israel and APAC happy, that's the main thing.

March 6, 2012 at 11:29 p.m.
chet123 said...

OHHHHH LISTEN TO THESE RIGHT-WING NUTS TALK ABOUT BOMBING AND KICKING BUTTS HA HA HA HA...THEY TOO SCARE TO BACK TALK FAT MAN RUSH LIMBAUGH WHO ATTACKED A HELPLESS WOMAN...HA HA HA HA.....I WOULD LOVE TO SEE THESE BIG MOUTH ON THE FRONT LINE OF BATTLES HA HA HA....WHAT CLOWNS AND COWARD THESE CHICKEN HAWKS ARE HA HA HA HA HA

March 7, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
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