published Monday, March 12th, 2012

Israel faces painful decision on Iranian nuclear weapons

The "international community" is condemning Israel for contemplating strikes against what are believed to be nuclear weapons-making facilities in Iran. That condemnation is predictable and unjust.

Israel destroyed an Iraqi nuclear site in 1981. And in 2007, Israel hit a Syrian site where it was strongly suspected that Communist North Korea was aiding Syria's nuclear ambitions. The world owed Israel a debt of thanks, but instead Israel was criticized in both cases. And now, critics complain that Israel may start a war if it attacks Iran's nuclear sites.

What the critics do not say is what Israel is supposed to do in the face of threats by radical Iran against Israel's existence. It's not as if Iran has never coupled threats with action. It has been behind deadly terrorist attacks in Israel and elsewhere for decades. Just last October, U.S. authorities disrupted a plot by Iran to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States and to bomb the Saudi and Israeli embassies in Washington.

It would be irresponsible for Israel not to take some limited measures now to keep Iran from getting nukes. Otherwise Israel will eventually face far bleaker choices against a nuclear-armed Iran.

The words of British Prime Minister Winston Churchill come to mind: "[I]f you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than live as slaves."

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nucanuck said...

There is a reasonable way for the world to get Iran to denounce all interests in nuclear weapons. The world's governments should demand that Israel de-nuclearize their military, remove and destroy all nuclear weapons. If Israel refuses, she should be hit with tough trade sanctions, cutting her off from world trade. Once Israel complies, Iran would no longer need to counter the Israeli nuclear threat.

Iran has no significant offensive military capabilities and poses no attack or invasion threat to Israel. Only Israel's 2-300 nuclear weapons create a need for counter measures.

The problem is Israel, not Iran.

March 12, 2012 at 1:29 a.m.
acerigger said...

I'm still waiting to hear specific "threats by radical Iran against Israel's existence."

March 12, 2012 at 7:47 a.m.
joneses said...

acerigger,

Wait no longer.

2/11/06

Iran’s President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad today echoed his earlier threats to “wipe Israel off the map” by telling a mass demonstration in Tehran, commemorating the 27th anniversary of the Islamic Revolution, that Palestinians and “other nations” will remove Israel from the region, adding a warning to the West that harsh measures against the nation’s nuclear program would result in Iran walking away from the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT).

March 12, 2012 at 8:50 a.m.
acerigger said...

"wipe Israel off the map"

So what did Ahmadinejad actually say? To quote his exact words in Farsi:

"Imam ghoft een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad."

That passage will mean nothing to most people, but one word might ring a bell: rezhim-e. It is the word "regime." pronounced just like the English word with an extra "eh" sound at the end. Ahmadinejad did not refer to Israel the country or Israel the land mass, but the Israeli regime. This is a vastly significant distinction, as one cannot wipe a regime off the map. Ahmadinejad does not even refer to Israel by name, he instead uses the specific phrase "rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods" (regime occupying Jerusalem).http://antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025

Google(research)it for yourself,but nowhere will you find any overt "threat" to Israel proper.

So this raises the question.. what exactly did he want "wiped from the map"? The answer is: nothing. That's because the word "map" was never used. The Persian word for map, "nagsheh" is not contained anywhere in his original Farsi quote, or, for that matter, anywhere in his entire speech. Nor was the western phrase "wipe out" ever said. Yet we are led to believe that Iran's president threatened to "wipe Israel off the map." despite never having uttered the words "map." "wipe out" or even "Israel."

March 12, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
nucanuck said...

JonRoss, acerigger is a fool because...? And who are the "other clowns" on Obama's national security team?

OK, I get it, you know exactly nothing, but just wanted to sound-off on a subiect that you have never really thought about, and yet blindly accepted the government line.

Opinions are one thing, empty-headed, uncivil slurs are quite another.

March 12, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
acerigger said...

When you cannot fight the facts,just call names.

Can you refute the facts jonross?

March 12, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.

Yes, JonRoss can refute the facts. All it takes is calling you a few names. Joneses will probably come help too.

Then your precious facts will be smothered under a wave of scorn.

March 12, 2012 at 11:35 a.m.
holdout said...

Even if Iran is making the threats and even if they have one or two or even ten atom bombs I still have to ask, "So what?". (I doubt they can engineer a thermonuclear device)Does it really matter that the threats were made if they cannot carry them out? Can Iran be a threat to the existence of Israel? If Israel were attacked with bombs from Iran would they have to face it alone? Would no other country help them? Would the other countries around Israel chance helping Iran once that threshold had been crossed? Arguing about whether the threats were made or not seems pointless to me when the threats couldn't be carried out in any case.

March 12, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Hello..jonross,are you there? Hello, hello...

March 12, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
Plato said...

This country mistakenly invaded Iraq based on a threat of "weapons of mass destruction" that as it turned out, did not exist. The consequences were costly to the tune of 1-2 Trillion dollar true costs, 4,000 US serviceman dead, and 50,000 permanently disabled.

From the LA Times:

"Reporting from Washington As U.S. and Israeli officials talk publicly about the prospect of a military strike against Iran's nuclear program, one fact is often overlooked: U.S. intelligence agencies don't believe Iran is actively trying to build an atomic bomb.

A highly classified U.S. intelligence assessment circulated to policymakers early last year largely affirms that view, originally made in 2007. Both reports, known as national intelligence estimates, conclude that Tehran halted efforts to develop and build a nuclear warhead in 2003"

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/feb/23/world/la-fg-iran-intel-20120224

March 12, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.
acerigger said...

This "wipe Israel off the map" meme is a lie that has flown 'round the world,shown to be a lie,and is still being circulated by the neocons and warmongers. That the lie is also being promoted by the "Rapture Ready" right-wing evangelicals ,wishing and waiting for Armageddon,should surprise no one.

March 12, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
nucanuck said...

JonRoss, bearing false witness is no way to find salvation. Your last post resembles the facts not at all. Have you no shame?

March 12, 2012 at 1:25 p.m.

Of course not.

The lies they tell are in service to a good cause.

March 12, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.

So I guess you're in agreement with the Republicans in Mississippi and Alabama who think that Obama is a Muslim then.

March 12, 2012 at 2:17 p.m.
acerigger said...

That jonross and his ilk cannot refute the truth of this particular lie is really no surprise. What should be surprising,but sadly is not,is that supposedly intelligent,educated people who publish and promote these lies do so knowingly.Agenda anyone?

March 12, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.
nucanuck said...

JonRoss, here's a thought for you to consider. Without US help, Israel cannot attack Iran. They lack the refueling capability. Similarly, Iran has even less capability to attack Israel. Without the US, there will be no war between Iran and Israel.

The US economic underpinnings are going wobbly and in a few short years we will no longer be able to support a worldwide military posture. We won't have the money, the credit, or the world's reserve currency. Israel will be on her own. If she can't find a way to make peace with her neighbors, she will become a footnote in history. Maybe the US will get five million new immigrants.

March 12, 2012 at 3:44 p.m.
nucanuck said...

JonRoss, I am saying that if Israel can't find a way to live in peace with her neighbors, 5 million Jews may become political refuges and possible immigrants here in America. Time is on the side of the Arab states. Israel is all but friendless in the world because of her behavior toward the Palestian people. Israel has become her own worst enemy.

Anti-Israel is all the way different from anti-semitic.

March 12, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
shoe_chucker said...

JonRoss said...

acerigger you are a fool.

acerigger said...

When you cannot fight the facts,just call names.

Can you refute the facts jonross?

hit us with some truth jon. i don't think you can prove ace wrong and i don't think you will try.

March 12, 2012 at 6:15 p.m.
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