published Thursday, March 15th, 2012

Good Luck

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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BigRidgePatriot said...

Clay seems to be taking a shot at the year's most boring comic.

March 15, 2012 at 12:11 a.m.
News_Junkie said...

I wouldn't characterize the cartoon as boring. I would classify it as borderline incomprehensible.

I am interested in hearing what others think is the intended message of the cartoon, because I am completely bewildered.

March 15, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I think Bennett is bewildered by the supposed selection process. He thinks the candidate is supposed to be anointed.

Kind of like how the delegates were anointed in Athens-Clark county GA.

March 15, 2012 at 12:36 a.m.
Anklejive said...

Pretty obvious that it means Republicans are doing everything in their power to create a maze so complex that people can't vote, with all the voter registration laws being pushed through Republican state legislatures (Thank you, ALEC!). Oh... by the way, it's been proven again and again that voter fraud is not a problem in this country. So why are they being enacted now? Oh... that's right it helps the poor, the disenfranchised and minorities to have a voice in our democracy.

March 15, 2012 at 12:40 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

THE SOLUTION IN SEARCH OF A PROBLEM

Clever cartoon Clay. I don't know why more people of all political stripes aren't angrier with GOP attempts to deny American citizens the right to vote under the guise of protecting the integrity of the election process. It sounds more like a chapter from 1984 or an absurd SNL comedy sketch.

The least successful way to rig an election is to commit voter fraud. You need THOUSANDS of phony votes to impact the outcome, but Constitutional rights don't mean much to republican. Legal challenges have already been leveled at restrictive voter ID bills passed by many republican state legislators and signed by many republican governors.

We, as a Nation, should be doing more to make sure more citizens vote, not fewer. We should make it easier for citizens to vote, not harder. Expanding absentee voting would help, but this, too, is being restricted. I read somewhere that a man cast an absentee ballot but sadly passed away before Election Day. To republicans that's 'proof' that ballots from dead people are being counted, justifying a crackdown on who gets to vote and - more importantly - who doesn't.

Historically, Republicans 'going off the deep end' puts them in familiar waters. As a political party they over react. It's in their DNA. When FDR was elected to his third term in 1940 the GOP went ballistic. They thought a republican might never again occupy the White House, so congressional republicans initiated legislation that became the 22nd Amendment - limiting a President to two terms. (Likewise, republicans have tried to add a balanced budget amendment, a flag burning amendment, a marriage amendment, and so forth.)

Ironically, in 1985, on the heels of Reagan's landslide re-election, republicans actually called for the repeal of the 22nd Amendment and called it another example of government overreach. Apparently, in 1947 they never imagined a republican might ever be popular enough to win a second term, let alone a third.

On the other hand I don't recall anyone begging Bush for a third term in 2008.

But back to the cartoon, there should be more American voters, not fewer. We should make it easier for citizens to vote, not harder. I especially loved the Texas republicans' version of the Bill: you can't vote with a University of Texas ID card, but you CAN vote with concealed weapons permit.

Hook 'em horns!

March 15, 2012 at 1:55 a.m.

Require voters to identify themselves? An outrage. Totally stacks the deck in favor of the more intelligent party. You tell 'em, Clay.

March 15, 2012 at 2:17 a.m.

Voter IDs clearly favor the living over the dead, non-felons over felons, and those who vote once over those who are paid to vote multiple times. It's a threat to democracy. And heartless.

March 15, 2012 at 2:39 a.m.
alprova said...

Study after study has proven that voter fraud, especially the type of fraud that I.D. requirements are meant to address, occurs less frequently than someone being hit by lightening.

The true intent of such laws is to prevent as many people as possible from being allowed to vote, mainly minorities, who for one of several reasons, have difficulty in meeting state requirements for obtaining photographic I.D.

African-Americans born prior to civil rights legislation were often born in private homes, and more often than not, lack having been issued birth certificates, making it quite difficult to prove their ages and origin of birth.

Naturalized citizens, who are most certainly granted the right to vote under our Constitution, who are born outside of the United States, have immense difficulty in obtaining replacement documentation if theirs is lost.

It used to be good enough to sign a statement to attest that what is written on a voter registration card, was true and correct. If voter fraud prevention were indeed the reason behind I.D. requirements, then the qualifications set forth to obtain photographic I.D. would be without hoops to jump through in order to obtain one.

Every attempt to pass voter I.D. laws has been initiated by Republicans. They know that the people most likely to be disenfranchised by such laws are those who are least likely to vote for a Republican candidate in any election.

Florida imposed a short deadline for the submission of voter registration forms, with stiff penalties for late filing, targeting groups who for years have assisted people inside that state with voter registration.

Conservatives in most Southern states practiced voter suppression tactics until the Voting Rights Act of 1965 made most disenfranchisement and voting qualifications illegal. Tactics included the institution of poll taxes and literacy tests, aimed at suppressing the votes of African Americans and working class white voters.

It's clear that Republicans are unwilling to engage in a fair campaign, based on their political ideals and ability to convince people to vote for them.

Instead, they have become the party that attempts, at all times, to win by eliminating votes for the competition.

March 15, 2012 at 5:03 a.m.
shifarobe said...

Blackwater and Alprova, the twin towers of bulls%#t! Check out what happened in Vermont the other day. The same dude who exposed Obuttface's old employer, Acorn, for what they really were, exposed how easy it was to become a registered voter in Vermont. You could get your dog to be a voter their. Vermont is a socialist /liberal sphincter of a state, by the way!! Democrats thrive on corruption!

March 15, 2012 at 5:14 a.m.
dougmusn said...

@shifarobe: "You could get your dog to be a voter their."

Perhaps, but I'd love to see you try to get the registered dog to vote!

If you want to see democracy in action, go to a Vermont town meeting. Everyone is invited and the assembled citizens decide about town priorities from potholes to people. Happens each year.

March 15, 2012 at 5:39 a.m.
shifarobe said...

Only tax payers should vote. That would leave out most of the Democratic Party base. Produce a photo ID and proof of tax paymen t and you'll never see another Democrat elected.LOL

March 15, 2012 at 6:44 a.m.
EaTn said...

The feds have moved on Texas to throw out the voter ID law and hopefully will in Tennessee before the presidential election. Basically what some states are repeating, much like in the 1850's, is their objection to being required to live under what they consider a misinterpretation of the constitution. I hope this is soon cleared up in the Supreme Court.

March 15, 2012 at 6:50 a.m.
conservative said...

In the last election Republicans won 6 Senate seats, over 60 Congressional seats, 6 governorships and 680 seats in state legislatures.

I don't think they are the party needing luck!

March 15, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.
alprova said...

Conservative wrote: "In the last election Republicans won 6 Senate seats, over 60 Congressional seats, 6 governorships and 680 seats in state legislatures."

"I don't think they are the party needing luck!"

That was the last election. People were fired up. Times were tough and the Republicans convinced the people that they would do something about it.

That no longer is the case. The Republicans are ticking people off right and left. The Tea Party is almost extinct. Voter turnout in all states during the primaries has been pitifully low.

The Republican Party doesn't need any luck alright. They need a miracle.

You can always trot out Sarah Palin again. She seems interested and she's just waiting to be begged to run.

March 15, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.

Wow. Tells us a story about the time you caught the mythical cat fish "the colonel" on liar's lake Clay? How big did you say it was again?

March 15, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
alprova said...

shifarobe wrote: "Only tax payers should vote. That would leave out most of the Democratic Party base. Produce a photo ID and proof of tax paymen t and you'll never see another Democrat elected."

Good luck with that. You are a fine Republican supporter. I'm sure they are proud to read your words. Keep up the good work of exposing that underbelly and proving what rolls around upstairs in the minds of people who vote for Republicans.

Tell me...have you ever been invited to any gathering of Republicans? Does your local elected Republicans ever contact you for any reason at all? Have you eve shook any of their hands or even met them? Ever had any of them sit down for a cup of coffee and pick your brain to see what you think?

Do you have an invitation to gather with your fellow Republicans at the Tampa convention this fall?

No? And you think that this Party has your back and that they represent you.

I can answer yes to four of the above questions after replacing the word Republican with Democrat.

March 15, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
limric said...

Certain Republicans will never be happy until the government (the very one they want to keep out of their lives) requires barcodes for all citizens. They used a similar system in Europe a while back to keep track of certain ’undesirables’, and it seemed to serve their purposes quite well. Just think of all the fun someone like Karl Rove - or John Negroponte could have with it.

If (when) Republicans ever introduce mandatory citizenship barcode legislation, they’ll no doubt use the movie ‘Idiocracy’ as their design model. After all, isn’t that where they’re heading now? They could use catchy political BS phrases we’ve all come to love. Such as; Americans for Lawful Liberties Act Help / ALLAH, or Congressional House Requirement for Instant Societal Tattoos / CHRIST. You see, by mixing the thinly veiled use of religious fantasy with covert acts of Orwellian proportion, the masses will fall for it. Hell, they already have!

March 15, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
chet123 said...

BIGRIDGEPAT...

YOU LITTLE VIDEO PROVED REPUBLICAN DONT RESPECT ORDER....THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF THEIR BOLD IGNORANCE AND HATEFUL REPUBLICAN POLITIC....NOTICE THE AGE DIFFERENCE.....ONE GROUP ARE OLD FARTS(THE HATER...PROBABLY COMING FROM CHURCH)...AND THE OTHER GROUP ARE YOUNGER REPUBLICAN.(GOOD PEOPLE WITH THEIR OWN IDEAS)THE OLD FARTS WILL PREVAIL HA HA HA HA....

NOW IF THEY TREAT THEIR OWN REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THAT MATTER...HOW WOULD THE REST OF AMERICAN EXPECT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY HHmmm??

THIS IS THE SAME GROUP THAT TRYING TO SUPPRESS VOTING RIGHT....

March 15, 2012 at 10:02 a.m.
chet123 said...

REPUBLICAN STATEGY IS TO STEAL THE ELECTION TO DEFEAT PRESIDENT OBAMA.....AND THE WHOLE WORLD KNOW IT......

HA HA HA.....HATE DRIVES A MAN INSANE!

March 15, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Chet,

You yell too much. NO VOTING FOR YOU!

March 15, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
davisss13 said...

Who would gladly steal an elderly person's vote with nary a twinge of conscience?

A REPUBLICAN, that's who.

There is no voter fraud problem in the US.

March 15, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
davisss13 said...

tu_quoque said... Toonboy is just admitting the obvious. That there are citizens that are too stupid or lazy to qualify themselves to legally vote. The fact that almost all of those types are on the LIbyard side really damages his self-esteem. We all know that Libtards have nothing more vital to their lives than self-esteem. When you take that from them their next act is usually mindless lashing out against their betters.

You are such a lowlife.

March 15, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
Reardon said...

Should fraud, of any form, be legislated away:

A) When it is a large problem, or B) It is a minor, but recognizable, problem?

March 15, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.

"Atlantic City Councilman Marty Small testifies others collected absentee ballots without him knowing in voter fraud case" (The Associated Press, Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 12:36 PM) http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/02/atlantic_city_councilman_marty_1.html

"Falsified registrations become votes" by John Fund (Politico, 11/2/08) http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1108/15189.html

“Two Democrats indicted in Troy ballot scam case” by Kenneth C. Crowe Ii and Bob Gardinier (Troy Times Union, January 28, 2011) http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Two-Democrats-indicted-in-Troy-ballot-scam-case-982948.php#ixzz1E9L6HwYr

“The men are accused of systematically forging signatures on absentee ballots at either the county office building or somewhere in the city during the buildup to the Sept. 15, 2009 Working Families Party primary. Many of the questionable ballots were filed under the names of students and some of the city's poorest residents, many who live in Troy Housing Authority apartments.

"Many are the less fortunate of Rensselaer County. A good number do not speak English as a first language and have difficulty communicating in English. One is deaf and can communicate effectively only in sign language,’ Smith said describing the victims.”

March 15, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

shifarobe said... "Only tax payers should vote. That would leave out most of the Democratic Party base. Produce a photo ID and proof of tax payment and you'll never see another Democrat elected.LOL "

I am not sure about restricting voting to just tax payers, but I would be perfectly happy with an arrangement where you need to turn in your voter registration when you go on Welfare, Medicaid or food stamps. Clearly, if you cannot take care of yourself you have no business trying to influence the lives of others with your vote.

March 15, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.

Closer to home:

“3 District 29 Poll Workers Indicted: Accused Of Faking Votes To Help Elect Ophelia Ford” by Marc Perrusquia (Memphis Commercial Appeal, June 22, 2006) http://web.archive.org/web/20060723210829/http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/local/article/0,2845,MCA_25340_4792646,00.html

“Three Shelby County election workers faked votes in an effort to throw last fall's District 29 state Senate race to Ophelia Ford, prosecutors alleged Wednesday.

“Unsealing an indictment that charges the trio with illegal voting, making false entries and other crimes, Shelby County Dist. Atty. Gen. Bill Gibbons said the workers at now-dissolved Precinct 27-1 forged at least three votes, including two in the names of dead voters …

"There was an effort on the part of certain individuals in Precinct 27-1 to cast some illegal votes for Miss Ford, but I stress that there was nothing to indicate that she knew anything about that,'' Gibbons told reporters …

“The trio faces a combined 37 counts -- all but two of them felonies -- alleging they forged a variety of election documents to not only fake votes but to make it appear that two poll workers who didn't work were present for the Sept 15 election …

“The indictment alleges the poll workers forged votes in the names of Light and Kirkwood and also in the name of a third voter -- still alive -- who records show had moved out of the district.

“The election results came under intense scrutiny after Ford defeated Republican challenger Terry Roland by 13 votes in an election in which 8,748 ballots were cast …

“Reviewing that list, the newspaper found that voter Light, 70, a folk artist with a registered address at 607 Looney, hadn't lived there in years. Now a vacant lot, Light's home had been foreclosed in 2000 and razed.

“Then came a greater discovery -- Light had died of colon cancer on Aug. 6, six weeks before the election. The newspaper then discovered a ballot was cast in the name of a second dead voter, Archie L. Kirkwood, 72, who died Aug. 30 of hypertensive cardiovascular disease.

“Despite their deaths, the signatures of both voters were written into the poll book on Sept. 15 at the Precinct 27-1 polling place on Danny Thomas in North Memphis …

“In the case of Light, McClatcher filled out the ballot application while Mayo signed Light's name into the poll book and cast a ballot in the voting machine, the indictment alleges. Mayo and Otteridge faked the vote for Kirkwood, the indictment says.

“The indictment charges Mayo and Otteridge also allowed voter Markesha Hinton to vote in the name of LaToya Wilson, Otteridge's daughter. “Prosecutors also filed felony charges against three felons who cast ballots in the Sept. 15 election …”

March 15, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.

“Judge: Let's air details of fraud. Public has right, Colton says in Ophelia Ford election case” by Marc Perrusquia (Memphis Commercial Appeal, May 22, 2007) http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/may/22/judge-lets-air-details-of-fraud/

“A judge said Monday he thinks the public is owed a more detailed explanation about an alleged plot by three poll workers to throw a 2005 election to Ophelia Ford, now a state senator.

“Shelby County Criminal Court Judge John P. Colton took guilty pleas earlier this month from the three election workers who avoided jail time in a deal with prosecutors.

“The workers admitted to voting fraud charges against them, yet never said what motivated them to fake at least three votes, two of them cast in the names of dead people …

“In a plea deal entered May 10, alleged ringleader Verline Mayo admitted to 10 felonies, including voter fraud, making false entries on election documents and official misconduct. Mayo, 70, received the stiffest sentence: two years' probation, $1,000 in fines and 200 hours of community service.

“Codefendants Gertrude Otteridge, 65, and Mary McClatcher, 53, pleaded guilty to one felony and one misdemeanor each and were sentenced to one year probation plus fines and community service …

“The irregularities occurred in North Memphis' heavily Democratic Precinct 27-1, where Mayo had served as an Election Day poll boss for decades. The Shelby County Election Commission has since abolished the precinct, merging it with an adjacent one …”

March 15, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

chet123 said... "NOW IF THEY TREAT THEIR OWN REPUBLICAN PARTY IN THAT MATTER...HOW WOULD THE REST OF AMERICAN EXPECT TO BE TREATED FAIRLY"

I actually agree with most of what you said. I hope you don't think this problem, manipulation of the vote to get the desired result, is unique to the republican party. The whole system is corrupt. They don't want you to know it, but the evidence of fraud is everywhere.

March 15, 2012 at 11 a.m.

Democrats controlled Congress, as well as state legislative and local offices in TN for decades based on voter fraud. Fraud is no respecter of regions. Obama's hometown is notorious for rigging elections, as are several large cities in the north. It's not as likely to affect state-wide or national elections, which were the only ones where Republicans were competitive before 1990.

It is Democrats who would like nothing better than to roll back the clock. And they're not afraid to stir up racial strife to do it. Very sad.

March 15, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.

Update on the Memphis cases:

GUILTY PLEAS

"Three former Shelby County poll workers have pleaded guilty to charges they faked votes to throw a 2005 state Senate election to Ophelia Ford.

"Verline Mayo: Admitted to 10 felony counts, including illegal voting registration, false entries on election documents and official misconduct. Sentenced to 2 years' probation, $1,000 in fines and 200 hours of community service.

"Gertrude Otteridge: Admitted to one felony count of voter fraud and one misdemeanor involving illegal registration. Sentenced to one year probation, $200 in fines and 100 hours of community service.

"Mary McClatcher: Admitted to one felony count involving illegal registration and one misdemeanor. Sentenced to one year probation, $500 in fines and 50 hours of community service."

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2007/may/22/judge-lets-air-details-of-fraud/

March 15, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.

Did you know you can't adopt a pet without an ID? It is obvious that animal shelters hate the poor, students and old people. They just don't want these people to adopt pets.

March 15, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.

Did you know you can't get a library card without an ID? Libraries don't want the poor, students or old people to read books. How terrible.

March 15, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.

Car rental companies don't want students, the poor, or old people to rent from them. They require an ID with no exceptions. So hateful!

March 15, 2012 at noon

I am not a republican and I support this legislation whole heartedly. When are you going to admit your protests are all political? Are you afraid the socialist plague won't be able to steal the next election?

March 15, 2012 at 12:05 p.m.

If the republicans had used the lack of an ID requirement to steal the election, the democrats would have been against it before they were for it. Kind of like how the energy secretary and Ogolfer were FOR higher gas prices before they were AGAINST them. The reasons the democrats are against these laws are just as transparent as this reversal on gas price. November is coming!

March 15, 2012 at 12:12 p.m.
alprova said...

WWWTW, all the cases you brought up would not have been prevented with the presentation of photographic I.D.

No I.D. is required to vote via asbsentee ballot. Corrupt and conspiring poll workers, eager to skew the number of valid votes cast for a particular candidate, wouldn't give a hoot about the presentation of photographic I.D.

Again, despite any number of cases you can find to post, in terms of percentage of the number of votes cast in elections, the instance of voter fraud, neither affects the outcome of an election, and is still very rare.

The kind of cases you cited to day will probably be cited in the future, and in states where voter I.D. laws have been enacted.

March 15, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.

This is such a weak argument and I'm not surprised that Claydunce is all over it.

The video from Vermont is clear evidence that voter fraud is simple to pull-off. The video of black panthers welding clubs in front of the voter polling place is clear evidence that voter fraud is simple to pull-off.

Keep your head in the sand, bed wetters. That is where the Democrat Party wants you.

March 15, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.

"Dead men tell no tales, but as Project Veritas found in New Hampshire, they can still vote.

"On New Hampshire Primary Day, Project Veritas sent a team of investigators into polling places with a list of deceased voters to see if they would be permitted to vote.

"We tested more than a dozen polling places, simply walking up and stating the name of the deceased, and in all but one instance -- where an alert poll worker actually knew the recently deceased -- we were handed ballots."

"A new study conducted by the Pew Center on the States shows that almost TWO MILLION dead Americans are on active voter rolls, and almost THREE MILLION people have active registrations in more than one state. In all, the study said, approximately one out of every eight voter registrations in the United States are either invalid or have “significant inaccuracies.”

http://www.projectveritas.com/node/97

March 15, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.
miraweb said...

I have to look at the case of my mother - who has voted in every election since the 60s.

She is now retired and not allowed to drive. She gave up her driver's license two years ago and lives in a nursing home that takes her Social Security check and gives her a $45 dollar allowance each month. The nursing home has a van that can take the residents to the polls.

I can't see how she could vote this year in a state with the new requirements. She could get a state ID card (which is free in many states) but she would have to pay to get a copy of her birth certificate from her home state and come up with a second form of id somehow. She doesn't have utility bills or most other documents that are allowable.

With the baby boom now at the doorsteps of retirement this becomes a serious question for a large number of retirees.

March 15, 2012 at 1:01 p.m.
EaTn said...

miraweb said...."With the baby boom now at the doorsteps of retirement this(voter ID) becomes a serious question for a large number of retirees."............and with the right wingers slobbering to get their teeth into chewing up Medicare and Social Security, who better than the elderly to cut out of the voting process.

March 15, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHY NOT JUST OWN IT?

I don't know why all you conservatives are fighting so valiantly to deny a clear political victory or point out mythical examples of voter fraud in the past. Politicians have tried to skew elections before and the current crop are no different. Look, you found an opening and you took it. You found a way to prevent thousands of democrats from voting in November and you simply seized the opportunity.

If Courts overt turn the new laws you can get furiously mad and rant about 'liberal judges.' If they uphold the new ID laws you'll win more elections than you would have otherwise. Sounds like a win-win.

Why not just stick a feather in your collective caps and own it?

March 15, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
alprova said...

The Rhode Island I.D. law is far different than those being instituted by Republicans. Nowhere near as many hoops to jump through.

Through now and January 1, 2014, all college, Rhode Island and federally issued IDs will be accepted under the law. The state will provide free IDs to those who don’t have one and under the law, it will allow those without IDs to cast provisional ballots.

If a voter declares themself to be registered to vote, the local board shall examine each provisional ballot application to determine if the signature matches the signature on the voter's registration. If the signatures match, the provisional ballot shall count. If the signatures do not match, the ballot shall not count and shall be rejected as illegal.

The following forms of ID will also be acceptable until January 1, 2014;

Birth certificate Social security card Government-issued medical card

The Democrats know how to pass common sense legislation, giving people time to comply with the photographic I.D. law.

March 15, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

THAT'S NO WAY TO TREAT A LADY

Al, where is your gallantry? How dare you cudgel a damsel in distress with something so crude as facts?

TQ is probably a little cranky because 'it's that time of the month,' or, her 'friend is paying her a visit.'

You know how those gals can get sometimes, so I hope you can find it your heart to apologize to her, and try to sound sincere.

A belt of Scotch might help.

March 15, 2012 at 2:31 p.m.

So alpo is saying as long as there is a way around the law, he is good with it? How does that make the law worth passing? If someone has a dog named sophie and fills out voter registration as Sophie Smith and signs it, they will be able to sign their provisional ballot and it will magically match. These democrats are wiley!

March 15, 2012 at 3 p.m.
timbo said...

nooga...Dream on....you absolutely underestimate how much we conservatives despise Obama. There will be a coming together in the end.

It is absolutely crazy that you libs think showing an ID to vote is somehow discriminatory. You have to show one for a drink, get in a bar, get electricity, get a loan, etc. etc. ...but not something as important as voting. If you dem's and liberals didn't know there was already voter fraud that helps you in every election you wouldn't be squealing so loud about it.

Just curious, can you ever..ever right a post without insulting someone?

March 15, 2012 at 3:27 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

In reference to Alprova, the rancorous sappho of Lesbos squeals, Yea - “He's the type of boss that takes credit for an employee's good suggestions and work performance. We all know the type don't we?” So there! Tongue now sticking out….Bleeahh.

With almost no exceptions, that would be any employer - anywhere.

You definitely need to get you some, cause you is one cranky a** dike.

March 15, 2012 at 3:28 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

TRY MIDOL

It works wonders.

March 15, 2012 at 3:37 p.m.

The action by the DOJ down in Texas clearly demonstrates the true outrage over the voter ID laws. The law may prevent the illegals from voting! They are in a panic over one of their biggest voting blocs.

March 15, 2012 at 3:54 p.m.
hambone said...

Every time someone registers to vote they have to prove citizenship, age, their address and swear there is nothing preventing their elegibility to vote.

I've never heard of a false Voter Registration Card.

But you can get a false photo ID anywhere!

March 15, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
ITguy said...

Guys and Gals,

I have voted in every election since I was 18, and that has been several. To my recollection, I have always been asked to show an ID. My voter registration card or drivers license. I was then asked to sign my name and the poll worker would compare my signature to the signature on my ID. We have always had to show ID to vote. To suggest that someone is walking into polling places and voting for their dead grandfather is ludicrous. What is different now is that only certain approved photo IDs are accepted. The type of IDs that are accepted are ones that are typically difficult to obtain if you are poor or elderly, especially if they live in large cities and use public transportation. This is a demographic that usually votes Democratic.

My opinion is that the effort is more directed towards voter suppression than towards voter fraud. If you want to commit voter fraud, give me 1 million dollars and access to the source code that counts the votes on those electronic voting machines. I could make the election turn out any way you want.

These laws will ultimately be struck down.

March 15, 2012 at 4:54 p.m.
hambone said...

Gee Whiz, Too Qute. You just made my point.

March 15, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

ITGuy said: “We have always had to show ID to vote. . . What is different now is that only certain approved photo IDs are accepted. The type of IDs that are accepted are ones that are typically difficult to obtain if you are poor or elderly. . . My opinion is that the effort is more directed towards voter suppression than towards voter fraud."

You’re right, ITGuy. Voter suppression is the name of the game. Repubicans like this early ALEC founder have been working on this for some time:

“I don't want everybody to vote. Elections are not won by a majority of the people. They never have been from the beginning of our country and they are not now. As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down." [Radical Right strategist Paul Weyrich, at a 1980 training session for 15,000 conservative preachers in Dallas.]

March 15, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
shifarobe said...

The CBO Says 20 million are in danger of being dropped by their employers for health coverage, Gas will continue to rise, unemployment will not improve, the cost of food is going up,Oboob and Mechelle will vacay up a storm this summer while the rest of us can't. Pics of those two moochers eating hotdogs and icecream will be platered all over the place. Oboob can take that hotdog he was eating at the game the other night and shove it up his @$$.

March 15, 2012 at 7:15 p.m.
alprova said...

FPSE wrote: "So alpo is saying as long as there is a way around the law, he is good with it?"

No, that's not what I am saying at all. If a family Bible is acceptable in the absence of a state issued birth certificate, I'm fine with that. If student issued photographic I.D.'s are acceptable at the polls, I'm fine with that.

"If someone has a dog named sophie and fills out voter registration as Sophie Smith and signs it, they will be able to sign their provisional ballot and it will magically match. These democrats are wiley!"

Can you point to a single case of anyone actually registering themselves as someone else and actually casting multiple ballots.

In Rhode Island, under the new law, provisional ballots are only issued to voters previously registered to vote but who do not currently have photographic I.D. They compare signatures already on file for the voter.

March 15, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al,did a copy and past of the following: The true intent of such laws is to prevent as many people as possible from being allowed to vote, mainly minorities, who for one of several reasons, have difficulty in meeting state requirements for obtaining photographic I.D.

Seems you are wrong again Al.

Laws requiring photo IDs suppress minority voting, Democrats charge. The facts say otherwise. In Georgia, black voter turnout for the midterm election in 2006 was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed photo ID, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose to 50.4 percent. Black turnout also rose in Indiana and Mississippi after photo IDs were required.

"Concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing," concluded researchers at the universities of Delaware and Nebraska after examining election data from 2000 through 2006.

Read more: http://old.post-gazette.com/pg/11352/1197406-373-0.stm#ixzz1pESVFmwb

March 15, 2012 at 7:49 p.m.
hambone said...

Most all states are having budget problems. Yet republican state legislatures pass Photo ID laws that increase state's cost. They all provide a system for voters that don't have a photo ID to get one free. This system won't go away unless the photo ID requirement goes away. So they are stuck with it.

How much does it cost the state per voter to provide the free ID's?

March 15, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb said: "With the baby boom now at the doorsteps of retirement this becomes a serious question for a large number of retirees."

It's clear this U.S. Marine retiree is unsettled with Gov. Haslam and the Republican majority legislature:

“Retired US Marine Tim Thompson walked into his neighboring polling place on Super Tuesday, but once inside he faced exactly what he feared: even with a voter registration card — and a career serving his country — he wasn't allowed to vote.

Thompson, 55, had a feeling this would happen. In his home state of Tennessee, a Republican-majority legislature recently saw to it that a new law made it all the way to Governor Bill Haslam’s desk — where the state’s top politician extended his seal of approval to a controversial bill that has Thompson and others riled up. . .

"I served my country. I served my country so you can vote. I've earned my right to vote. This is my ID," Thompson tells polling place employees while pointing to the US Marine insignia on his jacket. He entered the voting center with a baseball cap embroidered with “VETERAN” and an American flag patch on his coat as well

Thompson argues that he has used the same form of ID, his voter registration card, for decades. "I've used this for 37 years. This was good enough for my father. This was good enough for my grandfather and I refuse to show you a picture ID,” he tells a polling center supervisor in the clip.

"I'll be damned if I'll stand here and allow you to not let me vote because some governor of this state decided he wanted to eliminate my right to vote — and put conditions on it — that I fought for."

http://rt.com/usa/news/vote-tennessee-thompson-veteran-073/

March 15, 2012 at 9:57 p.m.

Yawn, simple things that keep amusing simple minds. But seeing the remarks of his sheep it easy to understand why he never changes his rhetoric.

March 15, 2012 at 11:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

yu_suque... again you don't give a damn about the soldier, if he/she doesn't serve your cause! You truly are a piece of garbage. Your coquettish BS has grown tiresome. So typical of you punk a$$es that wrap yourselves in the flag. If you thought it would get Obama out of office you'd be happy to see thousands of lives lost or millions going broke. What a lousy, small person you are. People like you are the exact reason I became and remain liberal. You are a bore and a boor.

March 15, 2012 at 11:21 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Yawn, sentence fragments that don't. But, seeing the grammar of his detractors, it(sic) easy to understand that they cannot stay away from his rhetoric*

*Define Rhetoric at Dictionary.com rhetoric(in writing or speech) the undue use of exaggeration; bombast

March 15, 2012 at 11:31 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al,did a copy and past of the following: The true intent of such laws is to prevent as many people as possible from being allowed to vote, mainly minorities, who for one of several reasons, have difficulty in meeting state requirements for obtaining photographic I.D."

Where did I copy and paste the above from? I wrote every sentence in that post.

Are you turning into a troll as well?

"Seems you are wrong again Al."

Do tell...

"Laws requiring photo IDs suppress minority voting, Democrats charge. The facts say otherwise. In Georgia, black voter turnout for the midterm election in 2006 was 42.9 percent. After Georgia passed photo ID, black turnout in the 2010 midterm rose to 50.4 percent. Black turnout also rose in Indiana and Mississippi after photo IDs were required."

Oh please. Voter turnout was up across the board in 2010 nationwide. What about the 49.6% that did not vote? How many did not meet the requirements necessary to obtain photographic I.D.? Who's tracking such statistics? How many just simply throw up their hands and forget it?

That is exactly what Republicans are counting on. They sure cannot depend on anyone associated with the Republican Party to assist them in any manner in meeting those requirements, that's for sure.

"Concerns about voter identification laws affecting turnout are much ado about nothing," concluded researchers at the universities of Delaware and Nebraska after examining election data from 2000 through 2006."

Read the above and see if you see a problem with it. Georgia's official photographic I.D. law, one of the first in the nation to pass such a law, went into effect in 2008. Your cited "examination" ranges from 2000 through 2006.

Voter turnout during the Republican primary process, so far, has been pitifully low. It has been down in every state so far. There is no study on the planet that can ascertain the reason why people do not make it to the polls.

Notice that your "evidence" does not cite the percentage of blacks that voted in 2008. Interest in elections can explain very much an increase in turnout by those who actually vote.

Understanding some simple facts, in that there literally are people without documentation in their possession to provide to state officials the proof necessary to meet the requirements to be issued a photographic I.D., is real.

One person disenfranchised in this nation is one too many. There is less proof that any fraud has occurred, that photographic I.D.'s will ever prevent, than there is proof that people will absolutely be disenfranchised by such laws.

You people have no concept of what it was to be black prior to 1964 in this nation, particularly in the Southeast. Birth records were kept in Bibles, and many people were born without the benefit of state issued birth certificates.

To demand a birth certificate as the sole proof of birth is like slapping them across the face.

March 16, 2012 at 1:27 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Alprova said: “One person disenfranchised in this nation is one too many.”

I agree, Alprova. But the facts show that these Republican lawmakers have declared a war on voters, including college students:

“New Hampshire's new Republican state House speaker is pretty clear about what he thinks of college kids and how they vote. They're "foolish," Speaker William O'Brien said in a recent speech to a tea party group.

"Voting as a liberal. That's what kids do," he added, his comments taped by a state Democratic Party staffer and posted on YouTube. Students lack "life experience," and "they just vote their feelings."

New Hampshire House Republicans are pushing for new laws that would prohibit many college students from voting in the state - and effectively keep some from voting at all.

One bill would permit students to vote in their college towns only if they or their parents had previously established permanent residency there - requiring all others to vote in the states or other New Hampshire towns they come from. Another bill would end Election Day registration, which O'Brien said unleashes swarms of students on polling places, creating opportunities for fraud.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/06/AR2011030602662.html

March 16, 2012 at 5:41 a.m.
joneses said...

Everyone could see it right in front of them on live television. Florida Democrat gubernatorial candidate Alex Sink was caught red-handed cheating in a debate. Her excuse? She blamed her Republican opponent (i.e., “blame Bush!).

Corrupt Democrat voter machine ACORN never truly dies. It just changes its name. In previous elections, any race that was close would be stolen from Republicans by Democrat cheating. As Al Franken being elected on the illegally-cast votes of incarcerated convicts serves to demonstrate.

There are the strange goings-ons inside the voting machines in Nevada, which have a mysterious tendency to prompt voters to select Harry Reid. SEIU pro-Democrat voter-stuffing shenanigans, with clear evidence of massive fraud. “When I was a member of the SEIU I went into voting machine to vote for our reprentatives. When I entered the voting booth and closed the curtain behind me a Rep came in and told me who to vote for. I told him to take a walk. Later that day a union rep came and asked me if I wanted to go to shop steward school. “ Add to that the 250 absentee ballots the Republican candidate tracked to a vacant lot Add to that an Ohio public high school that bussed students during school hours to vote after being given a ballot that ONLY had Democrats on it. After which they were treated to ice cream. Add to that the evidence in Bucks County, Pennsylvania that the Democrat candidate is flooding the voter registration office with fraudulent applications for absentee ballots. Add to that voting machines in North Carolina which are “voting” for Democrats even when that is the exact opposite of what voters intend. Which is simply the icing on the cake of all kinds of other fraud going on there. Add to that still more corrupt Democrats in Pennsylvania who created a fictitious “Pennsylvania Voter Assistance Office” to commit voter fraud. Add to that a public state university in Wisconsin that illegally urged students and faculty to get out and help the Democrat cause. Add to that a woman who is literally under criminal indictment for past voter fraud with liberal A.C.O.R.N. now heading up yet another corrupt liberal voter fraud group. Add to that Democrat Sen. Barbara Boxer both illegally and immorally requesting public high school teachers to send public school kids to volunteer for her campaign. a Democrat organization in Virginia “shocked” that their free beer in exchange for votes was actually criminal. the woman named Gabby Mercer with the Republican “Jan Brewer for Governor” sign painted on the rear window of her car getting a big rock thrown through that window in a clear act of political intimidation.

March 16, 2012 at 7:03 a.m.
joneses said...

Democrat Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee committing voter fraud at a polling place. First Lady Michelle Obama, who had committed voter fraud in the same way. to that forged ballots and illegals registering to vote for Democrats via groups such as Mi Familia Vota, Border Action, and Faith.Hope.Vote! Which all have ties to the SEIU. a staffer for a long-time Arizona Democrat who was caught stealing the yard signs featuring his Republican opponent (see also here for the KGUN 9 story, at least until they delete it). illegal immigrants who are actively working to undermine the vote in Washington State for Democrats. Even as liberal Democrat bastions such as San Fransisco are currently seeking to undermine the sanctity of citizens and the vote altogether. Democrat states such as New York and Illinois disenfranchising military service members – who vote heavily Republican – of the right to vote in violation of the law. campaign ads by Democrat candidates such as Rep. Alan Grayson which so shockingly and deliberately misrepresent the truth that even MSNBC are taking them to the woodshed for their gross lies.

March 16, 2012 at 7:04 a.m.
fairmon said...

I am sure those concerned about some people not registering and obtaining a picture ID will locate and assit every one of them so they will be able to get an ID and get to the polls or vote using one of the many options available. It is rediculous to think this law will impact any election because someone did not vote that would have if this law wasn't in effect. It is a distraction from what congress is doing or not doing which should have an influence on voters.

March 16, 2012 at 7:32 a.m.
ibshame said...

If in November thousands of ordinary citizens who have voted in the past (BEFORE photo ID laws were passed in these Republican controlled state legislatures) are disenfranchised there's going to be hell to pay. Too much has been sacrificed to insure honest, hard-working, ordinary people have the privilege of voting if they choose to do so.

A photo ID is not a deterrent to voter fraud. There are phony licenses and ID cards made by the thousands every year. Just as with any crime if people want to commit a crime they will find a way to do it. One can only hope the Department of Justice will speed up their investigation of these phony laws and do all in their power to have them suspended before the November election.

If Repubs are so hell-bent on kicking President Obama out of the White House then they should put forth better candidates than the clowns they have out there now. Trying to suppress voters is only going to get the kind of trouble they don't want. It only takes one ignorant poll worker and a stupid law to make a case that gets to a court of law. Sooner rather than later it's going to happen.

March 16, 2012 at 7:34 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

*mountainlaurel said...

“Retired US Marine (Tim) Thompson, 55, had a feeling this would happen...Tim Thompson walked into his neighboring polling place on Super Tuesday, but once inside he faced exactly what he feared… he wasn't allowed to vote."*

Mr. Thompson had more than a feeling. He knew about the new law and came down to the polls to grandstand.

Funny how this is "compelling evidence" that a picture ID is an "undue burden" while mountains of evidence that voter fraud is a problem is nothing to concern ourselves with. The advocates of no verification at the polling places stand naked in their hypocrisy. Leftists stage problems so they can show one example of a “poor abused” citizen as evidence to support their shallow positions.

You are going to have to do better than that. To 95% of the voters, voter ID laws make sense. Your temper tantrums will fizzle into history as a bad joke told by a small mob of red faced lunatics.

March 16, 2012 at 8:23 a.m.
mtngrl said...

joneses, you still did not list a single issue that photo IDs would have prevented

March 16, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mtngrl,

It seems to me that a photo ID makes it much more difficult to build a list of voters that will not be voting, like the deceased, and go to the polls and vote on their behalf. Lists of registered voters and obituaries are not that hard to get your hands on.

I don't get how this point is not obvious.

There seems to be an argument going around here that it is not hard to get fake ID's. Is it easier to get a fake id than it is to get a real ID? If it is so easy to get a fake ID maybe the people having a hard time getting a real ID can just have a fake ID dropped off by one of the ACORN spin off organizations!

Do people also want to eliminate voter registration? That seems to me to be a bigger obstacle to voting than having an ID. Maybe we can eliminate voter registration and absentee voting and use indelible ink to stop repeat voting?

March 16, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

*BigRidgePatriot said: "Funny how this is "compelling evidence" that a picture ID is an "undue burden" while mountains of evidence that voter fraud is a problem is nothing to concern ourselves with. The advocates of no verification at the polling places stand naked in their hypocrisy."

So where is Tennessee's mountain of evidence, BigRidgePatriot? It's not what I've read:

"A top state election official defended a new law requiring Tennesseans to have government-issued photo IDs to vote.

But State Election Coordinator Mark Goins acknowledged he can point only to one, possibly two, instances of someone being convicted of impersonating someone else when trying to vote."

March 16, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.

Requiring photo IDs is not an end-all, be-all solution to end election fraud. The new laws simply set up another line of defense against the long-standing assault, primarily by Democrats, on honest elections. In recent years, voter registration has been the primary stage of the process at which fraud has actually been caught. It should come as no surprise that fewer cases of fraud are caught at the polls. Once registrations are falsified, there is little hope of preventing fraud at the polls if nothing more than a signature allows a person to receive a ballot. Sometimes, not even a signature is required. (see link to the New Hampshire experiment in above post)

A Pew study found that inaccuracies in voter registration lists is rampant: More than 1.8 million deceased individuals are listed as voters. Approximately 2.75 million people have registrations in more than one state. In all, approximately 24 million voter registrations in the United States are no longer valid or have significant inaccuracies.

Better technology is part of the solution. So is using photo IDs to match valid registrations with the identity of people who actually show up to cast their vote. The latter is an oppressive labyrinth only in the minds of those who benefit from an outdated, easily corruptible system.

March 16, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.

ACORN defector rats on Obama’s exploitation of minority precincts to win election:

March 16, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Whatswrongwiththeworld said: “ACORN defector rats on Obama’s exploitation of minority precincts to win election.”

Shame, shame, WWWTW. Like Andrew Breibart, I believe you speak with forked tongue:

“After the 2008 elections, Breitbart and other conservative activists aggressively attacked the group ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now), whose success in registering low-income and minority citizens to vote made it a prime target of the far right. They engaged in a coordinated agitprop campaign that painted ACORN as committing “severe voter fraud,” among other imagined offenses. Although a Government Accountability Office report later found no evidence that ACORN had committed fraud or misused federal funds and videos made by Breitbart protégé James O’Keefe were found to be manipulatively edited and doctored.”

http://www.pfaw.org/rww-in-focus/the-right-to-vote-under-attack-the-campaign-to-keep-millions-of-americans-from-the-ball

March 16, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
BobMKE said...

Attention All Wal-Mart Shoppers. This Saturday, March 17, 2012 at Noon at the intersection of Main Street & Market we will be giving away $100.00 gift cards to the first 100 citizens from the City of Chattannoga who come including your children.

You better believe that people will be there with their ID's and the birth certificates of all of their children which contains the fathers names of each of their children.

March 16, 2012 at 11:57 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "So where is Tennessee's mountain of evidence, BigRidgePatriot? It's not what I've read"

Just go back up through the posts mountainlaurel.

"But State Election Coordinator Mark Goins acknowledged he can point only to one, possibly two, instances of someone being convicted of impersonating someone else when trying to vote."

People don't get prosecuted because it is too easy go undetected. All you have to do if you are detected is walk out the door. As the guy that did the recent Breitbart video did in the one case when he tried to use a name that belonged to someone that the poll worker knew personally.

So, as you can see from that example. The only real defense against fraud in the absence of an ID is for the poll workers to personally know every voter registered in their district! Good luck with that.

March 16, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Does anyone have any statistics showing how many people are turned away from polls because they cannot produce ID or are not showing as registered?

March 16, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"harp3339 said... I am sure those concerned about some people not registering and obtaining a picture ID will locate and assit every one of them so they will be able to get an ID and get to the polls or vote using one of the many options available. It is rediculous to think this law will impact any election because someone did not vote that would have if this law wasn't in effect. It is a distraction from what congress is doing or not doing which should have an influence on voters"

Right again. While the population is distracted by the diversions the crowd in the Whitehouse defecates on the Constitution.

March 16, 2012 at 12:34 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Oops. Look who is cutting funding for Women's health care. The Obama administration!

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2012/03/16/war_on_women_feds_cut_off_womens_health_funding_to_texas

It seems as though funding of abortions is more important to Obama than providing health care for disadvantaged women. Don't expect to see any outrage from the MSM on this.

March 16, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Voter ID laws might affect millions, study finds Article by: MICHAEL COOPER , New York Times Since Republicans won control of many statehouses, more than a dozen states have passed laws requiring voters to show photo ID at polls, cutting back early voting periods or imposing new restrictions on voter registration drives. With a presidential campaign swinging into high gear, the question being asked is how much of an effect all of these new laws will have on the election races. State officials, political parties and voting experts have all said it could be sizable. Now, a new study to be released Monday by the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law has tried to tally just how many voters stand to be affected. The center, which has studied the new laws and opposed some of them in court, analyzed 19 new laws and two executive orders in 14 states, and concluded that they "could make it significantly harder for more than 5 million eligible voters to cast ballots in 2012."

March 16, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Yeah. Signficantly harder. They are going to have to make the significant effort to reach into their pocket and take out their ID. Oh the humanity!

March 16, 2012 at 1:53 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: "People don't get prosecuted because it is too easy go undetected. All you have to do if you are detected is walk out the door. As the guy that did the recent Breitbart video did in the one case when he tried to use a name that belonged to someone that the poll worker knew personally. . . So, as you can see from that example."

No, Breitbart was a dishonest man, BigRidgePatriot. You claim there is a mountain of evidence that demonstrates voter fraud so show us this alleged mountain of evidence. So far the only mountain you've shown us is the one that appears to reside in your mind.

March 16, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
jesse said...

actually the maze is pretty simple,the average moron can get to the voting booth in about 30 seconds!!lol.

March 16, 2012 at 2:21 p.m.
ibshame said...

Andrew Breitbart was a disgusting, ignorant liar and a fraud. He lied about Shirley Sherrod and caused her unnecessary anguish, he lied about the so-called voter registration fraud that ACORN was supposedly guilty of committing and the week before that sad sack passed from this world to the next he was lining up another lie about a so-called RADICAL connection between Barack Obama(when he was head of the Harvard Law Review as a student) and a Professor Bell at Harvard who was advocating for Harvard to hire more minority professors.
According to Breitbart this was supposedly something that had been hidden from the public in 2008. The lying simpleton never bothered to tell his other good lying buddy, Sean Hannity, the film had already been shown on PBS DURING the 2008 campaign. So for anyone to believe anything this sad sack Breitbart had to say is like believing Rush Limbaugh was never a pill-popping junkie who sent his maid, Wilma out to buy his Oxycontin. Andrew Breitbart was a liar and Limbaugh is an ex-junkie. Those are TRUE facts.

March 16, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
hambone said...

Don't be in a rush to think Rush is off drugs.

Anyone who acts like him has to be on something!!!

March 16, 2012 at 2:56 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "You claim there is a mountain of evidence that demonstrates voter fraud so show us this alleged mountain of evidence"

I am not your librarian mountainlaurel. Go back through the postings and read the evidence yourself.

One exception… Watch this video and then wait to see all of the national news on the story and the prosecution of the perpetrators.

You will never see it. The politicos are staging the election process and serving you the results. If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend there is no problem that is up to you. I am pretty sure I could parade volumes in front of you and you would continue with your talking points. Not going to waste my time.

March 16, 2012 at 3:11 p.m.

What a passionless blob of president we have. He seems to only get pumped up about raising money and rubbing elbows with celebs and athletes. How about the Democrat Party dump Obama and replace him with George Clooney. I don't always agree with his politics, but he seems to put his ass on the line for what he believes. Obama really knows how dig into a hog dog though. I can't wait to get all the scoop on the $35,000 a plate dinner at Tyler Perry's house Obama will be attending. He's just mailing it in.

March 16, 2012 at 3:32 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

March 16, 2012 at 3:15 p.m.

It looks like albaby is busted once again. If petty plagiarism was a felony we would not have to worry about al polluting the election process with his vote. Or would we?

March 16, 2012 at 4:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

alpro said...

"One person disenfranchised in this nation is one too many."

Shouldn't you begin this with "In my opinion"? In my opinion the importance of accurate results is worth the slim risk of some poor soul not getting to vote. Could it be that legislatures don't trust the democrats and us independents instead of, as you and others insist, attempting to discourage some voters? My trust of politicians is non-existent and I wonder about the motive of Eric Holder when he intervenes in states that appear to make it very easy to obtain the necessary ID. Could it be that both parties are attempting to put out so much smoke on small issues people are not aware the country is going to hell in a hand basket. This forum has spent more time on sex without protection and voter ID than on the deficit, energy cost and the exponential growth of the debt with no end in sight.

Politicians can stand by a pile of dead branches full of thorns and describe how if you walk on the brush and thorns they are going to make beautiful roses grow on them, those listening applaud and yell yes I will, yes you can!

March 16, 2012 at 5 p.m.
alprova said...

harp3339 wrote: "Shouldn't you begin this with "In my opinion"?"

Not at all. If there is one guaranteed right in this country that should not be taken away from anyone, it is the right to cast a vote in an election.

"In my opinion the importance of accurate results is worth the slim risk of some poor soul not getting to vote."

Really? You feel that the right to vote as a citizen in this nation, deserves to be thrown out the window over accusations of fraud so rare that not one election has been affected by such instances of fraud?

Or is it that you, like other people on board with this crap, find it to not be objectionable because the people most likely to be disenfranchised, are those that vote counter to your political ideals?

"Could it be that legislatures don't trust the democrats and us independents instead of, as you and others insist, attempting to discourage some voters?"

You need to rephrase that question. I can't figure out what it is that you are asking. It is not an issue of trust. It is an issue of preventing people from exercising the right to vote.

"My trust of politicians is non-existent and I wonder about the motive of Eric Holder when he intervenes in states that appear to make it very easy to obtain the necessary ID."

It's very simple. In Southern states, that previously have had legislation on the books preventing people from voting, those states are held to a stricter standard whenever issues like this crop up.

"Could it be that both parties are attempting to put out so much smoke on small issues people are not aware the country is going to hell in a hand basket. This forum has spent more time on sex without protection and voter ID than on the deficit, energy cost and the exponential growth of the debt with no end in sight."

Why not face the fact that not everyone is preoccupied with deficit spending, rising energy costs, or the national debt 24/7/365?

March 16, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, said Not at all. If there is one guaranteed right in this country that should not be taken away from anyone, it is the right to cast a vote in an election.

Al, show me where you have a constitutional right to vote in federal elections .

March 16, 2012 at 7:04 p.m.
alprova said...

"It looks like albaby is busted once again."

You're obsessed with Clay. The troll is obsessed with looking up everyone's post to see if any part of it was copied elsewhere.

"If petty plagiarism was a felony we would not have to worry about al polluting the election process with his vote."

For the purposes of this forum, it isn't even a crime. I'm hardly the only one to borrow sentences every now and then.

So you can count on me to frequent the polls every time they are opened, and because I am still a registered Republican, I consider it my duty to cast my vote against the grain, even though I am fully aware that I am only one person.

"Or would we?"

Why yes you would. I have been showing a photographic I.D. in order to vote for almost four years now.

I don't have a problem in this world in complying with the law. However, I do understand why it is that some people do.

That's one of the many differences between yourself and I.

March 16, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.

Look at all the Democrats on here fight tooth and nail to make sure Obama gets as many votes from dead people, illegal aliens, and anything that moves. Doesn't it just warm your heart to see how concerned Alprova, Anniebelle and all the other Obamamaniacs on here are for all the little people. GAG.

March 16, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
rick1 said...

For the purposes of this forum, it isn't even a crime. I'm hardly the only one to borrow sentences every now and then.

"Every now and then." You hypocrite, the majority of your postings are what you would call "borrowed sentences."

You may want to consider that the next time you are so quick to call out others who do the samething.

March 16, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.

Only under this thread will ACORN be defended. Insanity.

March 16, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.
rick1 said...

My 7:27pm should read: Al, said For the purposes of this forum, it isn't even a crime. I'm hardly the only one to borrow sentences every now and then.

March 16, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, show me where you have a constitutional right to vote in federal elections ."

I did not state that everyone had a guaranteed right to vote per the Constitution, however, I direct you to read the 15th Amendment.

The 15th Amendment provides that, "The right of U.S. citizens to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude."

The Voting Rights Act of 1965 was passed and signed by President Johnson. Congress proposed and passed the Act to outlaw the practice of requiring otherwise qualified voters to pass literacy tests in order to register to vote.

Both blacks and poor whites were previously prevented from voting by a number of states, primarily located in the South. These same states are now required to pre-clear any changes in laws through the U.S. Department of Justice, "any voting qualification or prerequisite to voting, or standard, practice, or procedure with respect to voting, in any covered jurisdiction."

The States that are subject to Pre-clearance are Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Georgia, Louisiana, Mississippi, South Carolina, Texas, and all but 14 counties in Virginia.

March 16, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: ""Every now and then." You hypocrite, the majority of your postings are what you would call "borrowed sentences.""

No they aren't, and I'm not about to argue with anyone over such a petty issue.

"You may want to consider that the next time you are so quick to call out others who do the samething."

The only time that I recall ever citing a source regarding what someone posted to expose the fact that it was copied and pasted, had to do with calling into question the credibility of the source -- not the fact that it had been copied.

It's not an issue that bothers me at all. If it bothers you, sue me.

March 16, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, once again you are not as intellegent as you think you are. The Constitution only provides for non discrimination in voting on the basis of race, sex, and age in the 15th Amendment. You might want to read the 19th and 26th Amendment also.

In 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore reiterated the principle that the people have no federal constitutional right to vote for President or Vice President or for their state’s members of the Electoral College..

“The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College.”

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/pages/electoralcollege.php

March 16, 2012 at 8:40 p.m.
joneses said...

It is starting. This pathetic fool the incompetent masses put in the White House and his blind disgusting liberal followers are starting their attack on Mitt Romney and the other Republican candidates by spouting off their lies. I guess if your resume has no accomplishments to promote then this is all you have. People we need to vote this POS the entitlement minded fools put in the White House out of office. He thinks America is great because of government and he will continue his socialist agenda. This pathetic fool and has done nothing for this country but ruin the middle class and promote hatred. He is a real POS!

March 16, 2012 at 8:47 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, at 6:54pm you said "Not at all. If there is one guaranteed right in this country that should not be taken away from anyone, it is the right to cast a vote in an election."

So, I asked you to show me where someone has the Constitutional right to vote in a Federal election since you said, if there is one guarantee that should not be taken away and that is the right to vote in an election.

At 7:40 you stated "I did not state that everyone had a guaranteed right to vote per the Constitution, however, I direct you to read the 15th Amendment."

Al, your comment at 6:54pm is false. You were caught, and now you try to lie your way out of it.

March 16, 2012 at 9:09 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Now thebama administration is making it illegal for kids to work on the farm. I was driving an Allis WD when I was 8 and cultivating corn fields when I was 9. It was a great job. $1 per hour to sit on a tractor all day, in shorts with my shirt off, getting a sun tan, and getting paid for it! Life was grand! That would all be illegal under the latest proposed labor laws brought forward by our demokrat labor secretary. Actually, almost ALL of the jobs I held until I was 16 would no longer be legal.

That is the champion of the people for you. He is going to KILL the family farm if they implement these laws and are successful enforcing them. So much for the little guy. All agriculture will be in the hands of big agriculture. I hear Soros is buying up farm land hand over fist. I wonder if he wrote these laws for thebama.

In the meantime the demokrats keep you distracted with contraception “rights” and voter ID. Sheep!

March 16, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.
rick1 said...

joneses, you are absolutely Obama can not run on his record so he has to turn to his mentor Saul Alinsky's book Rules For Radicals and use Rule Number 12: Destroy the Individual.

RULE 12: Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it." Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions. (This is cruel, but very effective. Direct, personalized criticism and ridicule works.)

http://theredhunter.com/2009/08/alinskys_rule_12_destroy_the_individual.php

March 16, 2012 at 9:16 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Oops, yesterday the national requirement for lifts in swimming pools went into effect. I hear many hotels in New York have their pools shut down for "maintenance".

I wonder how many lower cost hotels are going to close their pools instead of making the investment in a lift demanded by the new requirements.

Thank you ubama!

March 16, 2012 at 9:35 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

It cost me $42 to fill up my Honda Civic with regular this afternoon.

CLEARLY, this is the president's fault. I know this because the left blamed high gas prices on Bush when he was in office.

March 16, 2012 at 9:37 p.m.
dude_abides said...

BRP said... " Actually, almost ALL of the jobs I held until I was 16 would no longer be legal."

Did any of these jobs involve "bad touches" or wrestling with your "uncle?" lol Maybe they always were illegal, but you were too young and naive to realize it. In your autobiography you could name that chapter "Cameras and Vasoline."

March 16, 2012 at 9:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Nice diversion dude. You play your role well!

Seriously, do you support throwing the family farm under the bus for big agriculture? Are you proud of this action on the part of your hero?

March 16, 2012 at 9:48 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Until you are 16 you cannot operate power equipment or work more than 6 feet off the ground (under the proposed new laws). Nor could you handle "raw materials" or work with livestock in certain (most) situations. You cannot even shovel $hit until you are 16. This CERTAINLY will kill the family farm.

RIDICULOUS!!!!

March 16, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I bet he doesn't drive a Honda.

March 16, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Who, me? Can I get a legally binding contract on that before we shake? I expect you to be about as good as alprova at honoring your bets.

March 16, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
rolando said...

The latest cartoon by Toonboy is pathetically small potatoes compared to this investigative report and revelation entitled, A Pulitzer Nomination for PJ Media: Reporters Expose Leftists in the Department of Justice.

It states as preface, "PJ Media's J. Christian Adams and Hans Von Spakovsky talk to Bill Whittle about the shady hiring practices at the Department of Justice, revelations that earned PJ Media a Pulitzer Prize nomination. From the failure to comply with the Freedom of Information requests, to the hiring of radical lawyers, Bill Whittle brings you the shocking truth about Obama's Department of Justice. You don't want to miss this interview." [--Emphasis mine].

This is real reporting, not just some cartoon...

See it at http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=mpg&mpid=174&load=6717

March 16, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Name your wager picaso. How about 1 ounce of 24K gold? The dollar is not going to be worth spit by the time I would ever collect from you.

March 16, 2012 at 10:02 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Thank you for the video rolando. This is the kind of stuff we need to be paying attention to. I wish the manipulation of the voting process was limited to the demokrat party.

March 16, 2012 at 10:12 p.m.
dude_abides said...

As per Car and Driver magazine he drives a Ford Escape hybrid made in America by American workers.

Apparently, Honda got it's start with WWII military surplus! Who were they trying to kill with that stuff before it was deemed surplus?

March 16, 2012 at 10:14 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Nice diversion dude, you play your role well.

Are you now cowering from your bet?

March 16, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Will you be paying an avoirdupois ounce or troy?

March 16, 2012 at 10:20 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Troy ounce big boy. The legitimate ounce when talking about minted gold. I have a few sitting in the safe.

March 16, 2012 at 10:22 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Your silence is deafening picaso. Ready to draft the contract?

March 16, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I'm confused... you're betting me that Obama drives a Honda, right? I'll bet you another ounce that you're not spelling Picasso right.

March 16, 2012 at 10:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Why not face the fact that not everyone is preoccupied with deficit spending, rising energy costs, or the national debt 24/7/365?

That is evident or we would not be spiraling out of control and we would not keep electing the same people to address these critical issues. In a speech this week the president said the president cannot effectively have an impact on the price of oil. In the same speech he said 1)the only way to reduce the cost of oil is to reduce demand. Later in the same speech he stated 2)we could drill and increase supply but that would not reduce the cost. This contradiction is from the guy we are depending on to be logical and make good decisions. The cost of essentially all products and services are affected by the cost of petroleum, including food. We are rapidly approaching another recession if not a depression if oil and energy cost stay high or go up even more.

and alprova said...

Not at all. If there is one guaranteed right in this country that should not be taken away from anyone, it is the right to cast a vote in an election.

I don't agree with your premise that most of those either too ignorant or otherwise incapable of understanding how to and obtaining a valid ID are democrats. Also, there is no guaranteed "right to vote". There is constitutional protection against legal citizens not being allowed to vote due to sex, race or past servitude (formerly a slave).

March 16, 2012 at 11:05 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

No picasso (sp? who cares pico?). You were betting that I did not drive a Honda. Now you are back peddling because you know you are wrong.

Pathetic coward that you are.

March 16, 2012 at 11:07 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Dreams of my father...

Every thinking man and woman should view this, rather than worry about the trash that Bennett drags you towards.

March 16, 2012 at 11:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Picasow?

March 16, 2012 at 11:37 p.m.
alprova said...

"Al, once again you are not as intellegent as you think you are. The Constitution only provides for non discrimination in voting on the basis of race, sex, and age in the 15th Amendment. You might want to read the 19th and 26th Amendment also."

If there is no right to vote, then explain the first seven words of the 15th Amendment. "The right of U.S. citizens to vote..."

"In 2000, the U.S. Supreme Court in Bush v. Gore reiterated the principle that the people have no federal constitutional right to vote for President or Vice President or for their state’s members of the Electoral College.."

If a state holds an election, open to all the state's citizens, rather than let's say a caucus, then every citizen of the state who meets the minimum criteria necessary to vote, must be allowed to cast a vote.

"The individual citizen has no federal constitutional right to vote for electors for the President of the United States unless and until the state legislature chooses a statewide election as the means to implement its power to appoint members of the Electoral College."

See? You do have the ability to comprehend English, do you not?

You're not as smart as you thought you were.

March 17, 2012 at 12:12 a.m.
alprova said...

"Al, at 6:54pm you said "Not at all. If there is one guaranteed right in this country that should not be taken away from anyone, it is the right to cast a vote in an election."

"So, I asked you to show me where someone has the Constitutional right to vote in a Federal election since you said, if there is one guarantee that should not be taken away and that is the right to vote in an election."

"At 7:40 you stated "I did not state that everyone had a guaranteed right to vote per the Constitution, however, I direct you to read the 15th Amendment."

"Al, your comment at 6:54pm is false. You were caught, and now you try to lie your way out of it."

I stated that there is a right to vote. At no time did I use the word "Constitutional." You made that leap all on your own.

The 15th Amendment refers to a right to vote. The 19th Amendment refers to a right to vote. The 26th Amendment refers to a right to vote. States themselves grant citizens a right to vote. The Voting Rights Act assured a Federal right to vote. Your own quoting contained in a U.S. Supreme Court case refers to a "Federal right to vote"

So after all the above, you're clinging to some theory that while the right to vote shall not be "denied or abridged" to people of color, sex, or age, whenever a statewide election occurs, and assured and referred to on a Federal level by the Supreme Court, that no one is granted a right to vote?

I think you need to rethink your stance just a wee bit.

March 17, 2012 at 12:25 a.m.
alprova said...

"Now thebama administration is making it illegal for kids to work on the farm."

There has been a ban on children under the age of 16 working in positions as a hired hand, if they are not related to the owner of a farm. Exemptions have always existed for children of the owner or operator of a farm.

"I was driving an Allis WD when I was 8 and cultivating corn fields when I was 9. It was a great job. $1 per hour to sit on a tractor all day, in shorts with my shirt off, getting a sun tan, and getting paid for it! Life was grand! That would all be illegal under the latest proposed labor laws brought forward by our demokrat labor secretary. Actually, almost ALL of the jobs I held until I was 16 would no longer be legal."

That initial proposal has been reintroduced to reflect a family exemption. The proposed rules apply only to hired, paid young workers and retain the parental exemption that exempts children working on farms and ranches owned or operated by their parents.

http://www.horsecouncil.org/regulations/dol-proposes-changes-child-labor-rules-farms

"That is the champion of the people for you. He is going to KILL the family farm if they implement these laws and are successful enforcing them. So much for the little guy. All agriculture will be in the hands of big agriculture. I hear Soros is buying up farm land hand over fist. I wonder if he wrote these laws for thebama."

There you go again, ignorantly blaming the President, who had nothing at all to do with the proposed rule changes.

"In the meantime the demokrats keep you distracted with contraception “rights” and voter ID. Sheep!"

I'm sure if you do a little Googling, you can find another forum where this subject is being discussed heartily. Knock yourself out. Then again, maybe not.

Today's subject in this forum has to do with voting rights.

March 17, 2012 at 12:44 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Aldip. The family farm depends on labor outside of the immediate family you clueless dork. Please stop weighing in on stuff you know nothing about.

March 17, 2012 at 1:04 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "That is evident or we would not be spiraling out of control and we would not keep electing the same people to address these critical issues."

Everyone is critical of everyone else's representatives, but their own. It's a viscous cycle that repeats itself over and over again.

The states are going to have to take the bull by the horn and begin the process of instituting term limits for elections of representatives for federal office, if things are ever going to change. Florida is the first state to call for it.

"In a speech this week the president said the president cannot effectively have an impact on the price of oil. In the same speech he said 1) the only way to reduce the cost of oil is to reduce demand. Later in the same speech he stated 2) we could drill and increase supply but that would not reduce the cost. This contradiction is from the guy we are depending on to be logical and make good decisions."

What contradiction? Reducing the demand for oil through conservation is in no manner contradicted by the fact that you could 'drill baby drill' to your heart's content and still a barrel of oil pumped and sent to the refinery is worth what it is worth on the open market.

"The cost of essentially all products and services are affected by the cost of petroleum, including food. We are rapidly approaching another recession if not a depression if oil and energy cost stay high or go up even more."

I suppose that you think the President can wave a magic wand and declare that private businesses cut Americans a break and universally lower their prices, despite the cost of a barrel of oil worldwide.

"I don't agree with your premise that most of those either too ignorant or otherwise incapable of understanding how to and obtaining a valid ID are democrats."

I have in no manner suggested that anyone is too ignorant or incapable of understanding how to obtain a valid I.D.

I do categorically state that there are people, who by virtue of the circumstances of their birth, do not have access to the documentation required in order to satisfy the established laws on the books in several states, to be issued a valid I.D. for the purposes of casting a vote.

"Also, there is no guaranteed "right to vote". There is constitutional protection against legal citizens not being allowed to vote due to sex, race or past servitude (formerly a slave)."

A semantic argument at best. Already been addressed in another post.

Because all 50 states conduct statewide elections in the process of electing our President and Vice-President, there is indeed a Federally guaranteed right to cast a vote in that process.

March 17, 2012 at 1:05 a.m.
alprova said...

"You were betting that I did not drive a Honda. Now you are back peddling because you know you are wrong."

Although this one is not my fight, will you please shut-up about it already? No one cares what you drive.

"Pathetic coward that you are."

Just as you do whenever Mr. Bennett raises an issue in his forum by posting a cartoon, you sure get worked up into a lather over the strangest things.

March 17, 2012 at 1:10 a.m.
alprova said...

"Aldip. The family farm depends on labor outside of the immediate family you clueless dork. Please stop weighing in on stuff you know nothing about."

And your premise is that only children are available to work? There are plenty of able-bodied people over the age of 16 just itching for something to do for money.

Or could it be that child labor traditionally comes cheap?

Now you kinda have a clue why it is that the DOL is mulling this issue over and is expected to rule on it this summer.

And while you are so obsessed with announcing what it is that you drive, let me make an announcement of my own.

I own a farm and have worked it for 16 years now. You've probably eaten some of what I have grown, if you patronize one of four produce outlets in the area.

What I have never done is to hire someone else's children to work it for me.

March 17, 2012 at 1:19 a.m.
dude_abides said...

BRP...I was answering you, dumba$$ ! Read it again. I said to you "I bet he doesn't drive a Honda, he being the President. I then followed with a report showing that he drove a Ford. Read it all again. LOL You thought I was going to bet on what kind of car you drive? Let me translate:

"Are you proud of this action on the part of your hero?" --BRP

"I bet he doesn't drive a Honda." --Pizarro

March 17, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_q... can you not read and comprehend, either?

March 17, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Republicans will stoop to whatever level they must to steal an election.

March 17, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.... What contradiction? Reducing the demand for oil through conservation is in no manner contradicted by the fact that you could 'drill baby drill' to your heart's content and still a barrel of oil pumped and sent to the refinery is worth what it is worth on the open market.

If reducing consumption reduces cost then increasing supply will have the same affect. Either both work or neither works.

March 17, 2012 at 2:26 p.m.
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