published Tuesday, March 20th, 2012

Mountaintop Mining

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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joneses said...

Bennett has a cartoon depicting Ron Ramsey standing on a mountain of donated campaign cash but he gives this pathetic fool you disgusting liberals refer to as president a pass when the fool received a 1 million dollar campaign donation from Bill Maher even though Bill Maher referred to Sarah Palin as a c$#t. Does anyone here see a double standard? You pathetic liberals did not even hold Bill Maher accountable but you had no problem attacking Rush Limbaugh. Rush even apologized and that is something we never heard from Bill Mauer. Another example of exactly how pathetic you disgusting liberals actually are. Obama is a fool and is not deserving of respect just because a bunch of unintellectual, hate filled, racist, pathetic foolish liberals put him in office.

March 20, 2012 at 6:20 a.m.
EaTn said...

joneses..there is no double standard. Whether a politician is riding a donkey or an elephant, they both pledge allegiance to their war chest contributors. Being an auctioneer, it's just easier for Ramsey to talk out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.

March 20, 2012 at 6:36 a.m.
sandyonsignal said...

Ron Ramsey is a pawn of King Coal. They own him. Great cartoon, Clay.

March 20, 2012 at 6:43 a.m.
WHS1970 said...

go back to bed jonesy, your crap is getting old and your coffee is getting cold.

March 20, 2012 at 6:45 a.m.
rolando said...

Yeah, the truth is getting old...to LibTards.

March 20, 2012 at 7:49 a.m.
rolando said...

Here's some more of that LibTard-hated truth:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/03/19/obama-signs-executive-order-revising-authority-to-nationalize-resources-for/

You won't hear a peep about that on this rag or any other Soros-funded LameStream Media...unless its their derision, of course.

March 20, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
cactus said...

Hey TFP, since Clay is a paid advocate of the DNC, when are you going to hire an advocate of the RNC to balance your biased commentary?

March 20, 2012 at 7:54 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Hey TFP, since Clay is a paid advocate of the DNC, when are you going to hire an advocate of the RNC to balance your biased commentary?

The RNC doesn't need a cartoonist to be funny. They do that all on their own.

March 20, 2012 at 8:37 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Anybody seen or heard from Governor Haslam? I guess his office is busy working on new brochures for the tourist industry. Indeed, I wonder Governor Haslam and the rest of Tennessee's cowardly lawmakers plan to promote the rubble left by Ramsey and the dirty coal industry? Hmmmm . . . How does this sound?

Fraudster Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey and his coal industry cohorts invite you to come and the visit the State of Tennessee . . . where you will see theapproximate original contourof what used to be some of the oldest and most beautiful mountains on earth.

March 20, 2012 at 8:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

ml...

You oppose coal, nuclear, oil, wind. Q: Do you support any energy source or should we all get some chickens, scratch out a garden and walk everywhere. I included wind since that would be an eyesore plus noise pollution on the mountains or wherever installed. The materials for construction are mined and made in part from petroleum based materials.

March 20, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
acerigger said...

Good one mountainlaurel! The sad part is that these "Good Christians" are not even embarrassed about being owned by special interests.

March 20, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

Electric cars are a fraud. The electrical grid cannot handle the demand for the number advocated by congress. The increased generation of electrical power would increase the consumption of fossii fuels.

March 20, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Electric cars are a fraud. The electrical grid cannot handle the demand for the number advocated by congress. The increased generation of electrical power would increase the consumption of fossii fuels

You are absolutely correct. This does nothing unless the electricity is generated from non-fossil fuel sources. It just shifts the problem, and indeed, hides it from consumers who don't realize that they are not making a difference just because they aren't using gasoline.

March 20, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
BlueDawn said...

I am so laughing at Rolando. Fox News? Really? LOL ...

Lamestream media he says....Rolando prefers hatestream media.

Hey Rolando! FAUX NEWS LIES!

March 20, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Acerigger said: "The sad part is that these "Good Christians" are not even embarrassed about being owned by special interests."

Yes, but men like Ron Ramsey have very large egos. In their minds they are like gods so to speak. . . Hmmmm . . . Wonder how many tourists this will attract?

Behold! My newly designed Northern Cumberland Plateau . . . by Ron Ramsey

March 20, 2012 at 9:19 a.m.

The picture should be of Obama and his never ending fund raising trips across the country. He is up to 39 events which is more than any other President. If he was 1/2 as good as doing the job as he is campaigning for just think how much better this country would be. Ace has no clue what a good Christian is,just go back and look at previous condescending remarks towards others yeah that is Christianity at its best.

March 20, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
onetinsoldier said...

There is nothing more disgusting than a repugnant southerner. Uneducated and ignorant with the same morals as a crack dealer.

March 20, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

EaTn said: “Being an auctioneer, it's just easier for Ramsey to talk out of both sides of his mouth at the same time.”

And in the case of the Tennessee Scenic Vistas Protection Act, it’s a matter of the hoaxer Lt Governor Ron Ramsey lying out of both sides of his mouth. The ugly bottom line truth is as Tennessee State Senator Eric Stewart says:

“Removing the top from a mountain is removing the top from a mountain, no matter what you call it, or where you put the little pieces after the damage is done.”

“When this bill was introduced, there were 5 mountains permitted for surface coal mining above two thousand feet in Tennessee. Now there are 13.”

March 20, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
limric said...

It bears repeating, from March 8th.

It is beyond clear – and it is NOT debatable - that the risks of mountaintop removal mining greatly outweigh any benefits. It destroys entire ecosystems, wipes out extensive amounts of wildlife, and it robs people of a clean and healthy environment. It poisons waterways which then poisons local community’s drinking water; affecting both animal populations and people alike. It infringes upon property rights of nearby residents, while mining companies exploit these same property rights for their collective benefit. The only noteworthy benefit of this destructive process ends up in the wallets of big coal company executives. The claims made that mountaintop removal produce a massive amount of jobs and pump money into the surrounding areas economy are bogus. Those jobs are, no jobs, or low wage jobs that will put a little food on the table. We must ask ourselves what we would do. Starve, or work for a few dollars an hour, and dig up our mountains - and haul them away.

So why the hell are we using such a destructive method to unearth yet more environmentally harmful substances? The coal company’s bottom line, that’s why! Mountaintop removal is creating an environmental catastrophe and we are losing a treasure trove of biodiversity that is the mountains of Appalachia. We can't let this continue, mountaintop removal must be stopped. NOW!!


Tennessee senators voted last week to delay a debate and vote until April 2. “[This] vote was a calculated act of political cowardice,” said J.W. Randolph, Tennessee Director for environmental organization Appalachian Voices. “Senators chose to delay the bill hoping it will die in the House, rather than stepping forward to protect Tennessee’s historic mountains from the destructive practice of mountaintop removal.”

I couldn’t agree more. The republican war on the environment continues...

March 20, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
John_Proctor said...

Ontinsoldier @ 10:01, crack dealers should be offended that you compared them to Ron Ramsey. Crack dealers are much more honest than he is.

Ron Ramsey received between $150,000 and $190,000 in donations from the coal industry. In return, he is protecting their interests and the public interest be damned. That's the point, accurately made, of the cartoon.

March 20, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

John_Proctor said: "Ron Ramsey received between $150,000 and $190,000 in donations from the coal industry. In return, he is protecting their interests and the public interest be damned. That's the point, accurately made, of the cartoon."

And then there is the $80,000 that our fraudster Lt Governor Ron Ramsey got from one of his construction company pals and the relatives and employees of his construction company pal:

“A prominent member of Ramsey's finance team also has ties to the coal industry.

James Powell's construction company builds, among other things, coal preparation plants. Powell has said that he got his start when the coal industry boomed in Virginia.”

Powell's employees and their relatives have contributed more than $80,000 to Ramsey or his PAC."

http://www.newschannel5.com/story/12191996/lt-governor-benefits-from-coal-contributions?clienttype=printable

March 20, 2012 at 10:56 a.m.
EaTn said...

nooga said..."if Boy George hadn't spent 8 years trying to destroy it by starting a couple of un-winable wars based totally on lies." . Our bipartisan Presidents(Johnson and Nixon) brought the country to the brink over Vietnam. Obviously Bush wasn't that familiar with the Vietnam history since he proceeded to not only meet its catastrophic affect on the country, but exceed it while hoodwinking a lot of gullible folks along the way.

March 20, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Onetinsoldier said: "Uneducated and ignorant with the same morals as a crack dealer.”

Speaking of morals and the crack dealer mentality, have you seen Lt. Governor Ramsey’s new tourist brochure for the State of Tennessee?

Hey ya’ll . . .

Any tourist out there who wanna see a two headed rattlesnake, a pink dinosaur, a bunch of spineless yellow-tail politicans and a mountain top created from dirty coal rubble?

Well, the State of Tennessee has it all . . . so ya’ll come for a visit. . .You hear me?

Just ask for huckster Ron Ramsey. He is selling the cheapest tickets in town.

March 20, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
timbo said...

Talk about campaign cash, didn't Obama's people say they were raising 1 billion dollars? So the democrats aren't trying to raise cash for their side? Both sides raise cash. Neither side is better or worse.

I find myself still surprised that neither side really ever gets that fact. The liberals and whatever the other side is today (so-called conservatives) are no different when it comes to money.

If Bennett doesn't know that he, like the rest of you, are fools. You prove it every day on this blog.

March 20, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
EaTn said...

timbo...when Clay makes fun of left-wingers on his toon, most liberals can take a joke so the discussions fizzle out.

March 20, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.
moonpie said...

tu-quoque,

Your refute of limric is a strawman argument. You seem to be trying to discredit what he posted by trying to discredit him on a more personal level.

Which of the points plagiarized by limric do you agree/disagree?

I don't assume that you are a proponent of mountain top removal. I really have no idea.

Your post was an excercise in negating limric, so the implication is that you negate the message, as well. If this was not your intention, I'd enjoy hearing more.

March 20, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.

hey nooga not once have I ever said a good thing about GW but it is amazing how quick Obama's sheep always go back to him. But see that is what is funny because for the same things Obama & his looney's blamed GW for they do not want to take blame for those same things now. His supporters want to have it both ways but that is impossible to do.

March 20, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
ArnoldZiffel said...

Without "King coal" moron, and "big oil" you'd have no electricity and most anything else. Ya BIG DOPE!

March 20, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.
rogerdodger said...

Hey Love, you should know by now that the "King's" court jesters will not approve of someone speaking negatively about their beloved ruler, no matter how true the facts are. His cult like followers simply will not hear it. I do disagree with you calling them sheep tho, I think they are more like ostriches keeping their heads in the sand or up their butts.

March 20, 2012 at 1:47 p.m.
EaTn said...

tu_quoque----of the trillion plus dollars spent (wasted) in Iraq and the "war on terror" in this country, I venture to guess a large part of it went for payback to right-wing supporters. Whether they ride a donkey or elephant makes little difference in ethics.

March 20, 2012 at 3:28 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel...

You oppose coal, nuclear, oil, wind. Q: Do you support any energy source or should we all get some chickens, scratch out a garden and walk everywhere. I included wind since that would be an eyesore plus noise pollution on the mountains or wherever installed. The materials for construction are mined and made in part from petroleum based materials.

You remind me of a haughty old schoolmarm with her hair pulled back in a bun that can criticize anything at length without ever offering an alternative or solution.

March 20, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

Solar is not a viable alternative, people can't afford it and the capacity is insufficint in many locations. All hell breaks lose if anyone suggest natural gas or nuclear as alternatives. Perhaps the best thing is $8-$10 a gallon for gas with coal out of the picture entirely to wake enough people up to realizing we need a definite energy policy not some pie in the sky vision better described as a nightmare.

March 20, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
moonpie said...

tu-quoque,

Thanks for the response. Bringing limric on the carpet was clear. I was not sure of the intent. If you weren't trying to discredit what he said, then this would not be a strawman argument.

If however, you disagreed with the pretense of what was written, that would be a strawman argument. (Instead of discrediting or defeating the message, you discredit or defeat the messenger.)

It is interesting that in your explanation you use another strawman argument. When you describe an action, or sentiment of an opponent and then use that as the to represent that as indicative of the whole group, that too is a strawman argument. (Clearly, there are things that do unify groups, but given the vast number of liberals who do not plagiarize, I think your example is a strawman argument. It seems to reflect your opinion of liberals.)

An extreme example of this would be like someone thinking all conservatives are racists just because some Klansmen are conservatives.

Don't get me wrong. I get the point that plagiarism is wrong. When you see it, smoke it out. You started your explanation with that angle; however, quickly used it to paint an entire group of people a certain way.... which again, is a strawman argument.

When you latch onto it (any misdeed, misquote, stupid rant etc) from one person who opposes your point of view and then assign that quality to the entire group, that is a strawman argument.

Don't get me wrong. I've caught myself falling into that trap myself. At one time or another I have probably committed every logical fallacy known to man, and some that aren't known to man.

I'm still curious, what you think about the claims made within the plagiarism.... Do you think the practice of decapitating mountains is a good practice? Necessary evil? Wrong headed and outdated?

On a final note, given the level of discourse on here sometimes, if you or others want to twist moonpie into something insulting, I think pie-hole might do the trick :)

Have a good night, tu-quoque. I still don't know if we agree or disagree.... It's ok if you leave me to wonder, but I'd love to know.


limric, I am saying you plagiarized without going back and reading the old post or knowing if you previously referenced it. I have seen you reference things in the past. You don't owe me an explanation, but if I was in your shoes, I would not not point out that conservatives have done the same (it would be bad form and not a good defense of something you did, whether by accident or not).... Just my perspective.

March 20, 2012 at 5:35 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Arnoldziffel said: “Without "King coal" moron, and "big oil" you'd have no electricity and most anything else. Ya BIG DOPE!:”

Shame on you, ArnoldZiffel. Tennessee does not depend upon its coal for electricity generation and you know it. Coal mining is also not important to the state and and any of it’s local economies. Tennessee's tourism industry supports 470 times more jobs than the coal industry. So if you want to discuss this issue, please stick to some of the real facts:

“Tennessee produces less than .2 percent of America’s coal. TN coal is more expensive than any other coal in the US due to its high sulfur content, which makes it more expensive and less desirable to burn . . . TVA currently purchases less than .7 percent of its coal from Tennessee.

The coal industry is costing Tennessee taxpayers millions in wasteful spending. In 2009, an independent study showed that when all revenues and expenditures are considered, the coal industry and its direct and indirect employees presented a net cost of approximately $3.0 million to the State of Tennessee.

The coal industry argues mountaintop mining creates jobs, which is simply not true based on the evidence across Appalachia. Studies show that communities around mountaintop removal sites have higher unemployment and higher poverty than similar Appalachian communities that rely on underground mining. Tennessee’s two largest coal producing counties - Claiborne and Campbell - are both listed as “At Risk” by the Appalachian Regional Commission.”

When a mountain is detonated, toxins including selenium, mercury, arsenic, lead, copper and chromium enter the air and surrounding watersheds. Human contact with streams and airborne toxins can result in elevated levels of chronic pulmonary disorders and hypertension amongst adults.”

http://www.paddletsra.org/ScenicVistas

March 20, 2012 at 5:35 p.m.
acerigger said...

lovetheusaorleave said..."Ace has no clue what a good Christian is,just go back and look at previous condescending remarks towards others yeah that is Christianity at its best."

I do happen to know what a "Good Christian" is love,But it doesn't include being the whore of special interests like the subject of this toon.(or crying continuously about being corrected)

March 20, 2012 at 8:18 p.m.

LOL I don't know what correction you are talking about. Every time you crawl out of the closet and make another stupid remark or copy & paste bad information you are corrected by many then you make childish ugly remarks then leave again.

March 20, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
davisss13 said...

Mountaintop mining is the most disgusting, inexcusable practice I've ever seen. Any politician that supports it should be voted out of office immediately.

ps: the comments from the Republicans are getting more extreme every day.

March 21, 2012 at 7:54 a.m.
davisss13 said...

I support coal but not mountaintop mining. That particular method of extraction causes way too much damage that is irreversible.

March 21, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.
moonpie said...

Thanks tu-quoque....

I read the link and it actually lists those lines of reasoning as strawman arguments.... Very similar to my old debate book from high school.

I know everyone has moved on from this topic, and nobody asked me, but I would not be against mountain top mining under certain conditions. (Of course, that means increased regulation....)

March 21, 2012 at 4:17 p.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

joneses said...

sounds typical and Christian to me.

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March 23, 2012 at 8:51 p.m.
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