published Friday, March 30th, 2012

Medical care and the court

It is obvious that all of us need food to live.

But whose responsibility is it to provide it?

Of course, it's an individual responsibility. But government on some level may step in, as a humanitarian consideration, to be sure no one starves.

It also is obvious that all of us may need medical care at some time.

Again, whose responsibility is it to provide it?

Obviously, it is the individual's responsibility. Most of us meet our medical needs through personal insurance or personal means.

But over the years, many of us have become dependent upon government programs, locally or through the federal programs of Medicaid and Medicare.

In any case, it is not comfortable, or reasonable, to have such things decided by the nine members of the Supreme Court of the United States.

But now, it appears that the future of health care for most of our people in the United States hangs upon a decision, soon to be issued, by a majority of the members of the Supreme Court -- and/or a majority of the members of Congress.

The Supreme Court has been hearing arguments in recent days about the 2010 health care law and its controversial provision requiring individuals to purchase health insurance. A decision surely is coming soon. What will the Supreme Court justices say? Will the justices say we all must buy medical insurance, or have a government program at taxpayers' cost, or what?

Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say anyone must buy anything?

The justices may not agree. Members of Congress don't agree.

Surely, the American people do not agree.

As arguments about medical care law have been made before the Supreme Court, attorney Paul Clement, who represents states challenging the law, said, "If the individual mandate is unconstitutional, then the rest of the act cannot stand," The Associated Press reported.

Where in the Constitution is there a basis for government to require that our citizens must maintain some kind of health insurance, or pay an annual fee, or yield some percentage of personal income -- or what must the federal government do?

We all want all of us to have whatever medical care we may need. But imposing some socialized medical care system upon us certainly would be unconstitutional. But will it be done? What will the Supreme Court dictate?

We will learn very soon, but perhaps not agreeably, or comfortably, or economically -- or perhaps not constitutionally.

But "something" of great importance surely is about to be imposed upon all of us Americans by the Supreme Court.

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dfclapp said...

You are right that we could be the kind of society that would call toxic waste clean-up if we see someone in obvious distress who has neither insurance nor means to pay. Buying someone a meal is one thing; funding expensive emergency care is very different.

However, the Affordable Care Act came about because we have put a priority on preserving life as a basic human responsibility, part of a written code of community ethics we signed as a country with many others shortly after the end of WWII. This is not and never has been free. We have been paying for the uninsured with steep increases for our own medical care and insurance all this time. The Affordable Care Act was merely designed to rethink this unavoidable cost in a way to encourage if not require individual responsibility and cost-effective treatment. It isn't just about your freedom, if someone else has to pay your costs.

So, for the Dick Armeys of the world who want to void the social contract in the name of "freedom," your job is to convince the majority of Americans that we should not provide emergency room care, that it is irrelevant if a child is too sick to go to school or to perform well if there. Convince most that it is an American ideal to let the poor die, that it will be a lesson to them to be more worthy.

You can't have it both ways. Either you agree that we rise or fall as a community of equals and take the same steps for our neighbor's child or parent or sibling that we would take for our own, or we support private enclaves for the fortunate so the poor and sick cannot spoil our safe havens.

March 30, 2012 at 7:11 a.m.
joneses said...

The problem with Obamacare is it was not passed because the liberals care about anyones health care or their well being. It was passed to give the government more control of another aspect of our lives. This was proven by the fact that not one person that voted on Obamacare read the bill before they passed it. The Democrats wouldnot even admit who wrote Obamacare. They said Max Baucus wrote it, he said no. Then they said "staffers wrote it, Then finally at the end Baucus said we "hired a professional". Who was that Professional?? A lobbyist and lawyer for the SEIU, Acorn and George Soros. Look it up. The outline was called "Stand up Straight" written by Robert Creamer. It's stated purpose was for the government to gain control of 1/6th of our economy and unionize the entire healthcare industry. This bill was not voted on because Obama, Pelosi and Reid care about everyones health care. It's sole purpose is to give the government, Socialist, more power over the population of America. Obamacare is not affordable as it has already been discovered by the GAO it will cost 1 trillion dollars more than projected. We have been lied to by obama, pelosi and reid.

March 30, 2012 at 7:43 a.m.
EaTn said...

An acquaintance's 45 year old son was self employed and couldn't afford to both feed his family and buy high-priced health insurance. He landed in the ER a couple times then finally in intensive care for several weeks before dying. The half-million dollar doctor and hospital bills were passed onto those who had insurance like you and me. The ER that most uninsured folks use is absolutely the most expensive form of health care because so many are treated too late and wind up in the hospital.

March 30, 2012 at 8:23 a.m.
joneses said...


Then we need a responsible health care solution that does not give 1/6th of our economy over to the government to prevent this from happening. Government intrusion has made very little better in our lives and I personally do not trust the government being responsible for my health care. These people voted for this massive corrupt illegal Obama care without even reading it or understanding what was in the illegal Obamacare. For this reason alone it tells me is not a viable option.

March 30, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

The Republicans demanded the mandate, you know the

" government, Socialist, more power over the population of America...."

and helped pass the Affordable Care Act. And now the Republican mandate is what is wrong with it? LOL Too funny. Notice I said Republican. Do you see ANY Democrats crying over the mandate? They didn't want it in the first place. If the entire thing is scrapped, the whitehouse has no plans because the people will be the ones to rise up and demand it. And hopefully, the public option will prevail. But even if it doesn't, we are already on our way to a better health industry. It is a win win for the Democrats and we the people, no matter which way it goes. There is no Republican, we the people left. It is only Republican, we the corporations.

I will agree with Joneses on one thing. It is high time we get authors names on these bills. Alec has authored too many already. If Obama and the Democrats got help in writing a bill, oh my, what shall we do?, or a big SO WHAT. It is nothing compared to the cultural witch hunt and war on women that has been spewed from Alec.

Joneses, I think they call that hypocrisy! You know when you point a finger; there are 3 pointing back at you. When those you support are not doing the same thing to an even greater degree, then you might have a point. I hope you wake up soon. Only when you see that it is both sides pitting us against each other will you find a way to make choices that will be for the people. They have been pawning and using us for a long time. Wake up so you can be nice again. You are supposed to love your brothers and sisters, all of them. I don't hear much love coming from your posts.

Do you know why the Republicans could care less whether you or I have affordable healthcare? Corporations don't have heart surgery, they have audits.

March 30, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.
conservative said...

The country deserves the mandate and the Socialist system of medicine it will bring. The country deserves the consequences of Socialized medicine just as much as the other Godless Socialist countries around the world. This country has rejected God and demanded an all powerful Socialist state to meet its needs instead.

We have yet to print enough money to meet the demand for free medical care.

March 30, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
joneses said...


Republicans demanded the mandate? Are you that stupid? Not one Republican voted for the illegal Unaffordable Obamacare Act. Either you are that stupid or spreading another liberal lie to blame the illegal Unaffordable Obamacare Act on Republicans.

That lie you call the war on women was fabricated by the liberal media. How would it benefit the Republicans to have a "war on women" stupid? It would not. The only war on women I have seen came from the disgusting democrats like Bill Clinton, John Edwards, Bill Maer and other hypocritical liberal liars. You are a hypocrite and a liar.

March 30, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Joneses, No, I am that smart. And I must have hit a nerve. ZING! I know who is at war with me, and it is not the media. It is people like you who think they should have their business in my business. Your name calling only shows that you have no argument and no substance. The Heritage Foundation and good ole Newt were the first to push the mandate. I can't remember, and am not looking it up for you, just who added it to the act, but it is a well known fact it has a Republican origin. I am not trying to convince you. You believe what ever your little mind wants.

March 30, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
EaTn said...

JustOneWoman....yes you are that smart. The GOP peddled their snake oil into the negotiated compromise with the threat to kill it with procedures. They could have killed it all along, but pretended it all belonged to the dems on the final vote and their constituents are gullible enough to buy it.

March 30, 2012 at 7:37 p.m.
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