published Wednesday, May 30th, 2012

The word is 'disgraceful'

Leading up to the Memorial Day holiday, a comment made on MSNBC by one of that network's regular hosts earned attention that it deserved.

In a segment devoted to "The Meaning of Memorial Day," Chris Hayes expressed to his news peers his difficulty in using the term "hero" when speaking of those fallen in the line of duty for our nation.

"Thinking today and observing Memorial Day ... um, I think it's interesting because I think it is very difficult to talk about the war dead and the fallen without invoking valor, without invoking the words 'heroes.' Um, and, ah, ah, why do I feel so uncomfortable about the word 'hero?' I feel comfortable, ah, uncomfortable, about the word because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war ... "

If our war dead and the fallen don't deserve terms such as "valor" and "hero" when, day after day, they protect our freedoms and liberty, what terms would you use?

These fallen no longer have a vote. These heroes have protected ours.

These war dead no longer have a voice that can be heard. These heroes have fought for ours.

These men and women of valor no longer have an opinion of war, freedom and liberty. These heroes have guaranteed the expression of ours.

To any and all who find it distasteful to honor our men and women with titles of distinction that are due, please take yours ... disgraceful.

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You know what I find disgraceful? People like you, who take a partial quote to misrepresent what a person actually said in order to create a false outrage based on a lie.

There's a bit more to what he said. Why were you afraid to quote it?

Because it shows what you're doing is merely exploiting the soldiers to get what you want, which is another chance to bash somebody?

I feel uncomfortable about the word "hero" because it seems to me that it is so rhetorically proximate to justifications for more war. I don’t want to obviously desecrate or disrespect the memory of anyone that’s fallen, and obviously there are individual circumstances in which there is genuine, tremendous heroism, you know, hail of gunfire, rescuing fellow soldiers and things like that. But it seems to me that we marshal this word in a way that is problematic. But maybe I’m wrong about that.

My word, such sentiments. I've never heard any soldiers ever say anything similar. Except the numerous times they have.

Chris Hays made a mistake. He let a bunch of haranguing harpies get to him. And you continue it.

Thanks for spitting on all of the soldiers yourself. They didn't do anything so you could lie and deceive people in a phony defense of them.

May 30, 2012 at 12:14 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Brilliant, HWNB!

May 30, 2012 at 1:02 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Great post bulbs!

May 30, 2012 at 5:09 a.m.
joneses said...

Actually Chris hayes admitted his comments were wrong and his apology is below.

Yesterday, Hayes apologized on his blog, stating, "I don't think I lived up to the standards of rigor, respect and empathy." He also explains that the reason for his statement was to show how the American people have lost contact with the true meaning of Memorial Day and its relationship to wars, using a shallow label rather than exploring the depths of war.

Read more: MSNBC Host Chris Hayes Apologizes for Controversial Memorial Day Comment - Woman's Day

End of story

May 30, 2012 at 5:24 a.m.
Easy123 said...

I bet he wouldn't be apologizing if he hadn't caught so much crap for his comments. They aren't that far off base and you even added that he explained his comments. His explanation would appear to serve as justification for his comments. End of story.

May 30, 2012 at 5:37 a.m.
joneses said...

easy123

You are correct. A liberal apology is only intended to cover their asses and lacks any sincerity if you get one from them.

May 30, 2012 at 5:41 a.m.
joneses said...

I find it interesting that Hussein Obama has not apologized for his misspoken words about Polish Death Camps versus Nazi Death Camps. The only thing offered to Poland was a spokesman saying Hussein Obama regrets the statement. Even though Hussein Obama would only apologize to cover his ass he could at least do that.

"The White House tried to head off a diplomatic spat with Poland after President Barack Obama mistakenly called a Nazi facility used to process Jews for execution as a "Polish death camp."

"Before one trip across enemy lines, resistance fighters told him that Jews were being murdered on a massive scale, and smuggled him into the Warsaw Ghetto and a Polish death camp to see for himself," Obama said.

Tommy Vietor, a spokesman for Obama's National Security Council, said that the president "misspoke, and we regret this misstatement.”

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-misspoke-over-nazi-death-camp-says-whouse-061459268.html

May 30, 2012 at 5:47 a.m.
joneses said...

Hussein Obama will apologize for America but bare in mind he does not speak for me.

Hussein Obama’s Apologies

Apology to France and Europe ("America Has Shown Arrogance") Apology to the Muslim World ("We Have Not Been Perfect") Apology to the Summit of the Americas ("At Times We Sought to Dictate Our Terms") Apology at the G-20 Summit of World Leaders ("Some Restoration of America's Standing in the World") Apology for the War on Terror ("We Went off Course") But Hussein Obama claims him being responsible for killing Bin Laden when he voted as a congressman against everything that lead to the killing of Bin Laden. Apology for Guantanamo in France ("Sacrificing Your Values") Guantanamo is still there. Apology before the Turkish Parliament ("Our Own Darker Periods in Our History") Apology for U.S. Policy toward the Americas ("The United States Has Not Pursued and Sustained Engagement with Our Neighbors") Apology for the Mistakes of the CIA ("Potentially We've Made Some Mistakes") Apology for Guantanamo in Washington ("A Rallying Cry for Our Enemies")

May 30, 2012 at 6:11 a.m.
librul said...

Good one bulbs.

As for Chris's statement - absolute truth spoken on the wrong day.

If every citizen of the new American Empire voiced a fervent apology every minute of every day of every year for the rest of the millenium to the people of the dozens of countries which have been terrorized in our names during the last sixty years, the blood on all our hands would still not be washed away. That is the burden gifted to us by our "heroes" and the greed-driven, craven chicken-hawks who are eager to send other people's kids off to fight their political wars of choice but would never put their own in harms way.

While our soldiers were slogging through the meat grinder in Vietnam, Mitt Romney was bicycling around Paris seeking to convert people to Mormonism - and he's your champion? He should apologize for that!

Someone tell me where "valor" or "heroism" enters the picture of someone sitting behind a computer screen manipulating a robot sending hellfire missles down on "suspected insurgents" who turn out to be children and old men or journalists, or newlyweds. No, Chris was right and the suits upstairs got a phonecall so he was forced to apologize. Thank you Chris.

May 30, 2012 at 7:09 a.m.
kkemerait said...

Happy,

Excellent response! I spent 10 years in the military, saved more than a few lives and put my own life at risk more than once to help someone else.

It's a sad commentary on our society that words like 'hero' or 'valor' are used, as you pointed out, to romanticize the notion of war.

If you want to honor those who serve in the military then stop handing out medals and ribbons like so much candy on Halloween. How about providing them free education for life, top quality healthcare for them and their families, hell, a break on taxes after they get out of the service...I can think of lots of ways to honor those who serve besides calling them heroes.

The greatest honor you can pay to those who have fallen of course, would be to not send any more young people into harms way.

We shouldn't be romanticizing the notion of war, it should be a bitter, distasteful and repugnant thing to have to send young people into battle and put their lives in jeopardy.

May 30, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
Easy123 said...

tu_quoque,

You are truly a fool.

Using words like 'hero' and 'valor' is fine. But I'm sure any soldier would not call himself/herself a hero. And I am sure that those that have died in war would trade all the fancy medals, awards, and "honor" to be back with their families. We romanticize war. All of us do. We rationalize to ourselves that we need soldiers to die to keep us free. This is a terrible idea. The lives lost are precious. They didn't want to die. They didn't want honor or glory. They just wanted to live. They wanted to hug their mothers and fathers again, marry their sweetheart, have kids, and grow old. But they won't get that chance.

”The greatest honor you can pay to those who have fallen of course, would be to not send any more young people into harms way.”

This is the only way that we can honor any of those that have died in war.

May 30, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
librul said...

For fellow liberals who are awake and alert and who are anguished over the decline of America into a plutocratic, warmongering fascist state as envisioned by the Romneyists - but who still cling to the belief that Obama is somehow not responsible for it or is at all likely to reverse the trend and somehow finally become true to his 2008 campaign rhetoric after his 2012 re-election, I would offer this as a challenge:

Watch this:

http://metanoia-films.org/lifting-the-veil/

No points rewarded unles you watch it to the end.

May 30, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
Livn4life said...

Talk about missing the point, honoring the war dead is in no way to romanticize war. On the contrary it points out the loss and the true heroism of any who are willing to lay down their lives in service of their country. As for not sending more, we might do that if leaders and other countries would play by righteous rules and not become aggressive. If we ever ratchet down our military to the degree self-proclaimed liberals desire(their not liberal), then we will not have the freedoms we give thanks for when we remember those who died in military service.

May 30, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
kkemerait said...

Tu,

Couldn't care less if you think it's true or not, nor was there any "chest-thumping" involved, just saying that I have been there and was not speaking as an arm-chair quarterback.

May 30, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
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