published Tuesday, November 20th, 2012

Help Wanted

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Soon.

November 20, 2012 at 12:51 a.m.
fairmon said...

The UT athletic program is in need of a complete make over which, if possible, would include the fan base. What about the band? Why is it not attracting the attention and accolades it once did? A root cause analysis may be in order to identify the source of the deterioration at UT if an unbiased study were possible. Is their primary objective still to provide a good education to students? Large schools are building such elaborate facilities one could think they were among the rich and famous, which is typical with federal government involvement.

November 20, 2012 at 4:35 a.m.
GrouchyJohn said...

This is the absolutely FIRST cartoon you have ever done that I even partly agree with. Don't strain yourself trying to do it again, we both will likely expire from heart failure if you were to succeed.

November 20, 2012 at 5:31 a.m.
jesse said...

Some body throw Clay a life jacket!

He is in DIRE STRAIGHTS!!

Got News for ya dude,with whats goin on in the world to day,Tenn. football ain't gonna cut it! Grouchy John prob.one o them nascar fans that ain't never thought about nuttin but"how many beers left in the fridg!"

November 20, 2012 at 6:47 a.m.
dude_abides said...

harp blames Tennessee's slide on the federal government! That takes some doing, but where there's a will, there's a way.

jesse works harder than is necessary to spell straits.

Grouchy John lives up to his name with a grudging tip of the hat.

dude_ wishes we could just forfeit the Kentucky game and get it over with, and agrees with salsa.

November 20, 2012 at 7:11 a.m.
conservative said...

It should be a help wanted sign in front of a drawing of the White House!

November 20, 2012 at 7:16 a.m.
jesse said...

Hey DUDE ,it depend on your definition of straits or straights! Also how dire they are!LOL!!!KMA!!

November 20, 2012 at 7:30 a.m.
ibshame said...

""conservative said... It should be a help wanted sign in front of a drawing of the White House!"

Psst in case you didn't get the MEMO, the President has been hired for another four years. YOU LOST; GET OVER IT. Now back to our regularly scheduled program.

November 20, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
ibshame said...

Lose to Florida, Georgia, Alabama three years in a row and then to top it off with a humiliating defeat to sorry Vanderbilt and it was a done deal. No surprises there. I remember when Bill Battle was given his walking papers, some fan hired a moving van and sent it to his house. LOL

November 20, 2012 at 7:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

dude_abides said... harp blames Tennessee's slide on the federal government! That takes some doing, but where there's a will, there's a way.

Sixty minutes or 20/20 had a segment on how colleges were in comptetition and using federal grants to build elaborate student lounges and other amenities to attract students. Once the money is spent the upkeep etc. results in increased tuition cost which has increased more than inflation. Maybe UT needs a larger grant or subsidy and use it for recruiting athletes and coaches.

The AHCA proponents play up parents being able to keep their kids on their health care policy to age 26 which is way beyond the normal college graduation age. But, say little about those kids who don't have that option that work their way through college and borrow to pay the higher than it should be tuition cost. Surely there is a way they can have health care through Tenncare or AHCA.

November 20, 2012 at 7:57 a.m.
EaTn said...

ibshame said..."Psst in case you didn't get the MEMO, the President has been hired for another four years. YOU LOST; GET OVER IT. Now back to our regularly scheduled program"

With some effort the President could be fired, but there's no multi-million dollar payout in his contract if he is. College athletics have overspent and overshadowed the main purpose to educate folks for reasonable paying jobs after graduation.

November 20, 2012 at 8:01 a.m.
ibshame said...

"EaTn said... With some effort the President could be fired, but there's no multi-million dollar payout in his contract if he is. College athletics have overspent and overshadowed the main purpose to educate folks for reasonable paying jobs after graduation"

No doubt WITH SOME EFFORTS ON THE PART OF THE RIGHT WING NUTS LOOKING TO MAKE BENGHAZI SOMEHOW EQUIVALENT TO WATERGATE THEY COULD VERY WELL START THE PROCESS OF IMPEACHMENT. However, the last time around it took House Repubs almost three years to get to the point of an impeachment hearing on Bill Clinton. There will be another election in two more years, this time around the public is sick and tired of the bullsh*t coming from the right, if some of the more NORMAL members of the Republican Party want to have any chance at ever winning another election, they will stop this crap before it gets to that point or the Repubs will lose the House for sure.

As for college athletics, I totally agree the main purpose is to educate students so they can get reasonable paying jobs after graduation. Unfortunately, some colleges and universities make tons of money off star atheletes who perform well on the field and the basketball court. For many of those atheletes they look at college as a way of making it to the pros so they can support their families. That's why some of the best leave college long before they get a degree.

November 20, 2012 at 8:15 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHO SHOWS UP?

Ibshame wrote, "There will be another election in two more years, this time around the public is sick and tired of the bullsh*t coming from the right...)

Republicans won a landslide in 2010 in both Congress and States across America. They benefitted from running on Jobs!Jobs!Jobs! and the fact that Democrats didn't show up to vote. Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, Virginia and Florida, among many others, elected Republican governors and legislatures, but their approval numbers have plummeted. Lots of voters will show up in two years with a grudge and the GOP better start NOW to retain those majorities. Republican congressmen are also up for reelection in two years which makes them even more vulnerable in those States.

2014, as it was in 2012, will depend on the voters who show up on election day. Republicans could take another beating.

November 20, 2012 at 8:54 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

toon-boy must be on vacation.

November 20, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

“I think it’s Susan Rice,” Wolffe said. “There is the question about John Kerry. But I think now that John McCain has sunk his teeth in, he’s made it about presidential authority. And frankly, it’s outrageous that there is this witch hunt going on the right about these people of color, let’s face it, around this president. Eric Holder, Valerie Jarrett, now Susan Rice — before, it was VanJones. This is not about who is hawkish in the same way John McCain is about foreign policy, because if you look at Iran and Libya, Susan Rice checks those boxes. This is a personal vendetta. It’s about presidential authority.”

When the left overcomes the above strategy, maybe the divide can narrow....Not being able to criticize black elected/appt. officials is getting tiresome. Here's the deal lefties...you're NOT doing them a favor by jumping on this old, tired, bus.

November 20, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Good one. Really, a Georgia Dooley to guide Tennessee. Dumb move to start with. Wonder how the trolls will politicize this one.

November 20, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

nothing to politicize...bad hire from the jump.

November 20, 2012 at 9:24 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Left-wing billionaire George Soros’ MoveOn.org has jumped into the fight for a unionized Wal-Mart workforce. MoveOn.org has sent emails to subscribers nationwide, urging them to descend on Wal-Mart stores on Black Friday. The organization is encouraging people to strike against management even if they aren’t Wal-Mart employees.

Solid work, there George. Get'em into your voting block. You despicable dolt.

November 20, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

in some post-election commentary, Nancy Giles (of CBS News Sunday Morning) suggested that pro-lifers were against abortion in order to build up the white race: “It’s been weird to watch white people report on this,” she said. “And, you know, when you just showed that graph of the decline in the numbers, I thought, ‘Maybe that’s why they’re trying to eliminate all these abortions and stuff. They’re trying to build up the race.’ You know, maybe.”

A PRIME EXAMPLE of the MSM not thinking an issue thru. One day this country will lament the loss of an honest press.

November 20, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.

Don't win? Not wanted.

College Ball is a cut-throat business.

November 20, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
ibshame said...

"happywithnewbulbs said... Don't win? Not wanted. College Ball is a cut-throat business."

It is cut-throat and sometimes the more successful a program is the worse the cut throat. Look at Penn State. I still cannot believe someone like Joe Paterno would not have done more when he was told about Sandusky. But it was protect the program first and later for the victims. Not only cut-throat but CRIMINAL!!

November 20, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
ibshame said...

"Jack_Dennis said... When the left overcomes the above strategy, maybe the divide can narrow....Not being able to criticize black elected/appt. officials is getting tiresome. Here's the deal lefties...you're NOT doing them a favor by jumping on this old, tired, bus."

SO YOU WANT TO TALK TIRED OLD BUS AND GIVE YOUR "SAGE" ADVICE TO LEFTIES ABOUT WHAT TO DO? TELL YOU WHAT WHEN RIGHT WING NUTS GET OVER THE ELECTION AND ACCEPT THE FACT THEIR CONTINUED ATTEMPTS TO DELEGITIMIZE PRESIDENT OBAMA HAVE NOT WORKED AND WILL NOT WORK, THEN THOSE LIKE YOU WILL BE IN A POSITION TO GIVE OTHERS YOUR WORDS OF ADVICE.

"Tea Party Leader: Romney Can Still Win

Mitt Romney carried 24 states. We need to have conservative activists from all over the nation contact the electors, the Republican Party and the secretary of state in all of these states and tell them not to participate in the Electoral College when it meets on Dec. 17. If we can get 17 of those states (just over one-third) to refuse to participate, the Electoral College will have no quorum. Then, as the Constitution directs, the election goes to the House of Representatives. That is how we can still pull this election out and make Mitt Romney president in January. We need this concept shared with every tea party, liberty and patriotic group throughout the country. We have time to act, but we must pressure Republicans to do the right thing. It does not matter who gets credit for this. The credit is not important. Using our last chance to defeat Barack Obama is important." - Tea Party Nation founder Judson Phillips, telling 'World Net Daily' how Romney can still win."

November 20, 2012 at 12:10 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Let's play along with all the posts that have nothing to do with Crayola's post: Obama hates God, it's obvious. So does the GOP who sent a God-hating Mormon to represent it.

November 20, 2012 at 12:16 p.m.
ibshame said...

"whatsnottaken said... Let's play along with all the posts that have nothing to do with Crayola's post: Obama hates God, it's obvious. So does the GOP who sent a God-hating Mormon to represent it."

According to Mormon Theology there's more than one God. So I wouldn't exactly call Bishop Romney a "God-Hater."

November 20, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.
potcat said...

Dude,funny as hell. You got them straight on. Off to Momma's and everyone have a very merry Thanksgiving.

November 20, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Maybe the "Help Wanted" sign is from the Tea Party. After the stupid "young earth" creationist remarks by Sen. Mark Rubio of Florida, the Tea Party's religious nutters have doomed themselves as flat-earthers in approaching scientific understanding.

If the republicans can't come up with a candidate whose thinking relies on reason and science, not religious dogma, they've cast themselves into the hell of ignorance and will lose again in 2016.

November 20, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

libshame: Cute, but not relevant to my post. Or maybe you simply agree with my post. hmm?

November 20, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Really, a Georgia Dooley to guide Tennessee. --whatsnottaken"

I support the idea of Tennessee hiring coaches with UGA ties. In my opinion, the big orange should go after Ray Goff. One Play Away Ray is available and UT could probably get him on the cheap. Throw in a pair of those spiffy creamsicle orange pants, and he's yours.

Go Dawgs!

November 20, 2012 at 1:21 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dayton123: Same old, same old. One-trick pony.

November 20, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rep. James Clyburn, D-S.C., told CNN on Tuesday that some Republican claims that Rice is "incompetent" may be racial in nature. "These are code words," Clyburn said, adding that "these kinds of terms that those of us — especially those of us who were born and raised in the South -- we've been hearing these little words and phrases all of our lives and we get insulted by them."

There will never be healing until guys like Clyburn move on. African Americans are immune to criticism, I guess. What a load of it.

November 20, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jack_Dennis said...

"dayton123: Same old, same old. One-trick pony."

But look at the mileage I get with the religious wankers on that pony. No shortage of material with the born-again and agains, allahites, and "Tea Party Fruitcakes for Jesus or You Die" goon squad.

November 20, 2012 at 1:54 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dayton123. What a hater.

November 20, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.
dao1980 said...

But that information is readily available, why choose to be ignorant of the world you exist in and have the privilege to enjoy?

Do we not live in the "age of information"?

Anyone who would be willing to go so un-learned in this globally competitive environment of education shouldn't be taken seriously.

It's like saying, "I'm not someone who knows simple math, but I can tell you what an ancient book says".

Well, I would ask, why not learn simple math??

November 20, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

CHICAGO — Illinois Gov. Pat Quinn, former Gov. Jim Edgar and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel are among the political heavy hitters calling for Illinois to give driver's licenses to illegal immigrants.

Afraid the lunatics have already taken over the asylum.

November 20, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dayton & dao: Hundreds of thousands upon hundreds of thousands of biblical scholars, physicists, all manner of PhD's, and other reasonably educated people need to check-in with you two. You could make a fortune straightening them out for a fee. You could get well. Free business advice...start a website. No charge for the advice. Gotitallfiguredout.com.

November 20, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jack_Dennis said... "dayton & dao: Hundreds of thousands upon hundreds of thousands of biblical scholars, physicists, all manner of PhD's, and other reasonably educated people need to check-in with you two."

If they believe in a young earth of 6,000-10,000 years, creationism, a literal and inerrant Bible, in supernatural gods, angels, demons, devils, witches, warlocks, talking serpents and asses, the book of Revelation, that women are to be submissive to men, that Jonah lived in the belly of a big fish, that the Eucharist is the blood and flesh of Jesus, . . . they don't need to check in with me.

But please check-in with a mental health provider for your delusions. As long as you believe it that's fine. But I don't want my kids being taught that as historical and scientific facts nor government officials in power who might act on such delusions.

One George W. Bush in office was enough. No more Holy Crusades in Jesus' name in the public classrooms or holy wars to spread the gospel.

November 20, 2012 at 3:49 p.m.
dao1980 said...

C'mon now JD, be honest, you know you never really have much to offer here.

Maybe you could invest a little time and energy in educating yourself so those who act on their interest in science wouldn't seem to "have it all figured out".

Tu, EAD. Do you know what that means?

November 20, 2012 at 3:58 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

The Christian Alliance Defense Fund will be hanging the "Help Wanted" sign out as well. Seems a ADF lawyer with "DesJarlias Syndrome" was caught in a little sex scandal of her own.

http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/anti-gay-christian-right-attorney-busted-horrifying-sex-offenses

I suggest she call Dr. "Strangeglove" DesJarlias for advice on how to handle the situation.

November 20, 2012 at 4:05 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I'd say about half the world would disagree with you enlightened boys. And BTW, dao, what exactly do you bring to the table?

November 20, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

tu_quoque said... "So belief in religion is a mental illness, its adherents are delusional, and they need to have mental healthcare providers to address their illness."

Or education beyond their Holy Books and the study of science and logic.

As I've stated many times, those who believe in religious orthodoxy and literal interpretations of so-called divine scriptures, in literal gods, in supernatural, invisible sky daddies, and that 2000 year-old books are historically accurate and full of scientific fact are delusional. If one views such as metaphors, they aren't.

If one believes in the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, a succubus, or pink elephants, they are delusional. Why would someone who believes in literal myths such as Zeus, Apollo, Mohammed, Jesus, or Yahweh be any different?

And if half the world believes in such, then ignorance extends beyond your front door.

Until such childish notions are put in the dustbin with the ideas of flat earth, the Virgin Mary appearing on Oreos, and resurrections of dead men, the Holy Wars will continue.

There is no Promised Land, and there is no God in reality. These are merely concepts to explain phenomena and environments that are mysterious in nature, but not supernatural. Myths are metaphors and nothing more.

Myths are and can be illuminating. But when ignorant people try to make those myths fact, develop cults around such fantasies, and attempt to make their myths reality to unbelievers, they are delusional.

Fortunately, most of those who attend church on Saturday, Sundays, or Sabbath services, do not take literally such dogmas. Religious services are more social than fundamental, more spiritual than religious orthodoxy, and more tribal than missionary. Otherwise they'd become the religious fanatics like the Taliban, Fred Phelps and his loony-tunes family, Jewish Zionists who hate everyone but each other, Jim Jones and his Kool-Aid kids, and the rest of the ignorant who take dogma as direct from God.

November 20, 2012 at 5:59 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

I remember reading it was Lane Kiffin that was to blame for this entire mess. Who knew?

And as we approach the "Fiscal Cliff" we re-elect a president that ran on the slogan, "FORWARD." Kinda scary,,,,,

November 20, 2012 at 6:01 p.m.
tderng said...

according to daytonsdarwin Obama shouldn't be allowed to hold office.He is after all a Christian.But I bet the hypocrite voted for him.

November 20, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dayton123: So who is it you're trying to convince?

November 20, 2012 at 6:10 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Jack_Dennis said...

dayton123: "So who is it you're trying to convince?"

It's not a matter of convincing anyone. However, it is to ask people to look at religions critically, to see where they came from, why they were invented, and to offer new thinking into the discourse. Most people come to religion by birth, not through examination. I ask people, particularly young people, to take a full view, to understand where religion comes from, the stories the religions tell, the dogmas that result, and the damage those dogmas do when accepted without thought.

I look for those whose minds are still open, who have doubts about fundamental, orthodox religions. Who haven't been able to articulate why they have doubts and that there are people who have broken away from such ignorance.

To those who can see the universe and life as a special occurrence in a vast mystery of an eternal process, but not needing a god, gods, or supernatural explanations for its existence.

To understand that religions are created by man and that there is no life beyond the one we now have (until there's proof of such). To enjoy and treasure the splendor of riches on this earth without needing a god to justify their existence, the pleasures of life, and to not fall into the trap of religious dogmas.

November 20, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

To say believers are ignorant is ignorant.

November 20, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY DARWIN! TU CUTE think the earth came about at the same time she was born,and will cease to exist 5 min.after she bites the dust!

Jack ,i take the view that no one has the answer and we will all find out whats what when we cross over!OR ,as i think, everything just fades to BLACK !

November 20, 2012 at 7:03 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

well, jesse, only the dead know for sure.

November 20, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
ricardo said...

What do these comments have to do with the Vols crappy season?

November 20, 2012 at 8:22 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey ricardo,you been hangin around long enough to know the subject of the toon ain't got shat to do with what goes on on this forum! Get over it ,this place is all about tellin each other how DUMB every body on here is EXCEPT ME!!

November 20, 2012 at 8:45 p.m.

ricardo, some things just can't be denied. Probably most of their fantasies are taken up with political nonsense.

November 21, 2012 at 12:57 a.m.
fairmon said...

UT? Quite a discussion don't ya think? UT is into parity in all apsects and all programs including educating students.

November 21, 2012 at 2:27 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Great news! John Gruden was seen in a Gatlinburg gift shop slapping a hooker around and stumbling into a rack of glass figurines. He then, reportedly, stole an SUV with a Vols sticker and careened down the Parkway hurling obscenities and Kuntry Kitchen Kookware at bystanders. It looks like he's found a home! GBO

November 21, 2012 at 7:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

An old rumor comes to mind when UT is the subject. Lady in Knoxville called the police to report a burglary in progress. The officer told her all the policeman were on other calls right now, just get their jersey number and we'll pick them up later. Would prepaid legal be a legal recruiting tool?

Dooley may be a candidate for CEO at TVA or some other position. Large bonuses for mediocre or under performance for improvement in any area of prior poor performance. TVA and other governments put in a tough new rule next year that prohibits employees from standing at the window and looking out before noon...so, they will have something to do in the afternoon.

November 21, 2012 at 7:55 a.m.
jesse said...

Time to regrip tu cute! your rap is fallin on deaf ears!the election is a done deal and all you are doin is makin yourself look like an azzhole!

November 21, 2012 at 7:59 a.m.
jesse said...

Well harp,they's a rumor runnin around that Kiffin may be out of a job soon,Ya think maybe give him another shot! Actually i can't think of a top shelf coach that would take the job at U.T. Talk about a "lose,lose "situation!

November 21, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.
ricardo said...

Maybe its time to bring Fulmer out of mothballs?

November 21, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

tu, your 3:53 post was disgusting, and it has been flagged. Grow up.

November 21, 2012 at 9:15 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lu: The posting police.

November 21, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

If you had any self respect you would flag posts like that too.

November 21, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

Jesse...people thought Kiffen bolted to USC but the truth may be he knew when to get out of Dodge. I agree with you, no sane person would take the job unless the money and 1-2 year departure buy out was so good they couldn't pass it up. Seems a lot of people calling in to Sports Talk radio know what to do, maybe one of them would take it for a small salary and having a good seat for the games.

November 21, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
ricardo said...

I flagged it as offensive as well. In addition I wrote an e-mail to TFP and all of its advertisers that this scumbag poster needs to have her account revoked and needs to be banned from the internet. As a further step, I have petitioned the US government to permanently revoke her First Amendment rights because she has abused them and does not deserve to be a citizen of this great country.

November 21, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I don't think I'd go that far, but she can create her own website and spew to her heart's content. As long as the rest of us don't have to watch. If the TFP wants to make this a place for thoughtful discussion, they'd ban people who post over-the-top locker room filth, as well as those that directly threaten or abuse other posters. If I was a newcomer I'd say the TFP has pretty low standards and would probably move on, which is not what their commercial sponsors want.

November 21, 2012 at 10:05 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Thoughtful discussion, lu? Don't see much of that. Mostly name-calling. Even by you, lu.

November 21, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Bet you cannot back that up, JD.

November 21, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

lu, will work on that

November 21, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
ricardo said...

I was just kidding, keith, but I do agree that the post was offensive. There is a clear line between a healthy debate on issues and vulgarity. When someone finds the need to resort to the vulgar, then that person has nothing to add to the conversation, a person void of ideas and rational arguments.

November 21, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu: just a few. 11/15: called JonRoss a liar 11/10: called conservative stupid 11/10: called Timbo a moron 11/10: Implied Joneses a pervert 10/1 : called conservative a liar 9/18 : called Lady a S.O.B.

Doesn't bother me. Just enjoy pointing out your hypocrisy.

November 21, 2012 at 11:06 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

And you equate that with the over-the-top 3:53 post of tu's, do you?

Not surprising. You of the "throw-insults-without-any-substance" posting. The only thing that makes you acceptable most of the time is that your posts are very short. Just making quick drive-by's without contributing anything to the subject at hand.

November 21, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

No, but you challenged me to prove you're a name caller. And you are. Drop the high and might schtick.

November 21, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Okay, that's fair enough. But I am a pretty small player in the name-calling department. You certainly have me beat in that area. AND my language is never foul.

November 21, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

If you're talking relatively, I use almost zero foul language. And BTW, what's wrong with short posts? You think bloviating gas bags add a lot here? I make my points and wait on the insult. So what?

November 21, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Actually, I am correct on this. You rarely make any points; rather you just act as a cheering squad for some posters and rag on others. Occasionally you do contribute, but it doesn't happen often. But you are not known for foul language and I didn't mean to imply that you were (insults, yes). Others (on both sides) use foul language and perhaps I should complain more often. Of course, that would be pretty time consuming. So I limit it to the extremes only. The only posters I have ever flagged are joneses/Francis and now tu (I think).

November 21, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
jesse said...

I've flaged Jonses and Nooga several time but w/no result so i gave it up,i fig.the forum is running the way t/fp wants it too so why bother! IMO: nooga is the most offensive poster i've ran into anywhere on the web,not just here! The only point he ever made that i remember is when Tu qou misspelled Hatteras,and he's been pounding on that ever since!

November 21, 2012 at 11:51 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I always try to give a poster the heads up when I do. Joneses knows I will flag for his using "bastard" in reference to the president, but tu has bordered on disgusting for so long I couldn't let it go in good conscience. I think that the TFP will respond if enough flags hit a single post or if a poster is flagged often, but I also think they will be fair.

November 21, 2012 at 12:07 p.m.
jesse said...

Well lu,tu and jonses are on the right side of the spectrum so does that have anything to do w/it? How many times have you flaged Nooga,dude,bulbs or anyone on the left side? And DON'T tell me they don't cross the line,i know better!!

November 21, 2012 at 12:15 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, I appear to be uneven. I can't say I have ever flagged them. Sometimes when a thread descends into a poo flinging contest I stop reading, and therefore let those who I usually agree with cross the line unchallenged. Not very fair, is it.

November 21, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

jesse: Pappy used to say, "it depends on whose ox is gored". Lu seems to dismiss the disgustingly vicious remarks by easy, little Noogs, dude_, et. al....sorta like a double standard??

November 21, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
jesse said...

Just something to think about!

Now me, i'm a nondenominational flagger!

People don't realize it but if you post a seriously thought out post in an offensive way it trivializes the thought and the poster! Also i've noticed that the most offensive folks on here seem to be somewhat backward,they resort to insults and vulgarity to cover up a lack of mental capacity!

November 21, 2012 at 12:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I agree. And I'll be more vigilant of those on "my side" for lack of another description!

November 21, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Indeed, there was a time that enriching conversations and well constructed ideas in debate, could be found daily on this page.

(forgive the spelling) limeric - canary - lkiethlu - severitn - bigrdgepatriot - nurseforjustice - rolando and many many other well spoken posters engaged each other from different points of view and offered un-interrupted ideas and perspectives that I had always enjoyed reading and learning from.

I'll also admit, I'm no angel, and have gone after the likes of KenOrr - conservative - andylorr etc. for their blatant religious bigotry and close minded hate speech. I ask for no free-pass or any forgiveness for that. I do the same thing in person to anyone who begins to preach conditional salvation for some and conditional damnation for others.

But those like Tu - joneses - jonross - jackd etc. have turned it into a bathroom wall in here. They not only ruin any good discussion by clogging the forum with useless filth, but their rotten attitudes do great harm to any cause that they claim to care for as well as greatly degrade the overall environment of this forum.

Yes, the TFP desperately needs to "weed the garden" and get the "healthy veggies" growing again.

November 21, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
jesse said...

I don't agree very often w/limric BUT he is a treasure on here!

The man THINKS,and that is rare indeed!(he also like to show off his language skills!certain amount of ego goin on BUT still a thought provoker!)

Wish he came around more often!!

November 21, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dao: little, if any, filth from Ol' JD.

November 21, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

We can all do more to police each other and keep the forum interesting and productive. The descent into the bathroom wall leaves a stink on all of us.

November 21, 2012 at 1:03 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Lu, think of them as Ideological Brethren!

But an azzhole is still an azzhole no matter who he voted for!

Love ya! maybe one of only 2 or 3 on here that would admit to being "somewhat" biased!KUDOS!!

November 21, 2012 at 1:10 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Your right jesse, he does take an interesting perspective, and illustrates it well.

I would bet that the reason he and many others like him don't come around very often is that they have to wade through angry, obtuse, belligerent trash, every time they show up.

November 21, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ideological Brethren

That works!

November 21, 2012 at 1:17 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey dao, a fresh perspective is like GOLD! Makes you THINK! Not many on here do that,mostly dogma! A one track mind runs into a dead end sooner or later!

Heck , we might get this place on an upper level if we keep pluggin! Be nice to express an opinion on here w/o being told how stupid i am!(i already know that!)

November 21, 2012 at 1:21 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Tu, why don't you crawl back into the hole you came out of ? Nobody is payin you any attn.Just do everybody a favor and go away!

November 21, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

tu, you don't get it. Whatever their original form (and I don't use twitter so I don't know) they are offensive. Changing the target doesn't change a thing. Just because someone else tweeted does not mean you should lower yourself to repeat them here, modified or not. Although I am biased in what I post, I would have flagged this had I seen the original with Ryan and the Romneys as targets. It's disgusting.

November 21, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

“... i've noticed that the most offensive folks on here seem to be somewhat backward,they resort to insults and vulgarity to cover up a lack of mental capacity!” - jesse

“Rickaroo...You have a tendency to be on a par w/nooga ,which happins to be the biggest azzhole i have run into in my brief tenure on the web.” - jesse

I guess insults and vulgarity are not backward and dumb when jesse the "taoist" resorts to it. It's just when anybody else does it that it reveals a lack of mental capacity. Right, jesse?

November 21, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'll use little words for your benefit tu: Your 3:53 post was the first one I saw. I could not flag something I did not know existed.

Of course, I flagged the one you just posted (2:07) that insulted Ryan and the Romneys. Both versions are disgusting.

November 21, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Some of you people think this forum has devolved into a cesspool where belligerence rules and insight is lacking. Well, for your information, I learned something here this afternoon. After reading a post that referenced tweets by someone I had never heard of, I did a quick Google search. You know that movie, the one where that kid stuck his tallywhacker into a freshly baked pie...That young man's name is Jason Biggs. So, there's that. Knowledge is power.

Does anyone know if Ms. Ballbricker from Porky's is on Twitter?

November 21, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

tu, darling, would it help you to know that I thought the question to Rubio was inappropriate? Would it shock you to know that I agree with you on that one?

November 21, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY NOOGA,If you are somewhat introspective and read your posts ,then you will understand what i'm talkin about!BUT i ain't gonna hold my breath! You go out of you way to be an azzhole, and you are doing a very good job of it! Have you ever given thought to the fact that tu 's error could have been a typo? It was all a way for you to tell us you had a grady white,so now we know ,BIG DEAL!! I lived on a 36" carver for 8 years!So what!Don't mean shat!

November 21, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"First, why did GQ ask this question, and would they ask a Democrat the same thing? It always seems to be Republicans that the mainstream media fires these curious, pointless salvos at." - t_q

There's actually a good reason for this. Not one Democrat has ever made a public statement espousing a creationist, Biblically literal view of the world. It has only come from the Republican camp. And very few of the more mainstream Republicans - if indeed there are any - have stepped forward to denounce the idiocy of those who make their dumb-ass statements on things like "legitimate rape" or rape being "God's will" or evolution and the Big Bang theory being "lies straight from the pit of hell."

While many Democrats are Christians, there are none so fundamentalist in their beliefs that they denounce science in favor of a blind faith in Biblical literalism. Or at least there are none who make a spectacle of themselves by making public statemenst to that effect. I think the question to Rubio was perfectly fair. Maybe he himself does not denounce reason and the findings of science but he and other Republicans, if they want to have any credibility at all, need to distance themselves from those who are so moronic and dogmatic in their blind faith.

November 21, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

So, tu, how old is the earth?

The reason Rubio was asked that question was to see if he had the cojones to answer it. Many Tea Party members and the Tea Party candidates are woefully lacking in science. This was a chance for Rubio to say what he thought, not the typical hedging of bets most politicians do.

While in many ways they are opposites in many matters, there's no doubt what Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich think and they'll both give you honest opinions.

Frankly, I don't Rubio is that dumb, but rather than send some Tea Partites into a state of apoplexy over saying that the earth is 4.5 billions years old, and that the young-earthers are scientifically deluded, he wiggled and made himself look foolish. You certainly find republican candidates scrutinized more closely than democrats and libertarians when it comes to current scientific understanding with good reasons. They're are more republicans who agree with William Jennings Bryan's theory of creationism than with the science of Dawkins, Gould, and Sagan.

That's why the republicans will lose again if they don't get the crazed religious nutters out of leadership and get rid of the anti-science and anti-reason candidates like Akin and Mourdock.

At one time, religious affiliations weren't particularly important in national campaigns, but Jimmy Carter brought Jesus into the picture.

Now it's become one of the republicans, and particularly the Tea Party, main credentials to run for office to see which republican can out Jesus the other. Any candidate that make their religion paramount in their campaign doesn't get my vote.

When Greg Vital was running, before his lies were made public, his ads always told you "Greg is a Christian" as if that mattered. What mattered was honesty foremost, and Vital lost, Christian or not, for his lack of honesty.

I'd rather a candidate say something I disagree with but said with conviction, then hemming and hawing and looking the fool. Rubio looks the fool for his answer, even to other republicans.

Again, tu, how old is the earth?

November 21, 2012 at 3:50 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"I'd rather a candidate say something I disagree with but said with conviction, then hemming and hawing and looking the fool. Rubio looks the fool, even to other republicans for his answer." - daytonsdarwin

I totally agree. Rubio's answer was cowardly and evasive. While he proved his merit as a slick-tongued politician who can duck and dodge with the best of 'em, he showed only that he's afraid to make a definitive statement that would indicate that he actually thinks for himself.

November 21, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Dawg, go back to watchin nascar!!

November 21, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Could "how old is the earth" replace "where do you stand on roe v wade" as the new litmus test for the left?

November 21, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

While I'm pro-choice, I do understand the abortion debate.

As to the age of the earth being 6000-10000 year old as a valid scientific theory, there's no debate.

But Rubio has made it one as to his credibility. So I'll be happy to see any candidate asked that question and hear their response.

November 21, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I don't really agree. The question was out of context. If it had been a interview about scientific matters, maybe. But Rubio may not really be a creationist, and he may not be aware that this question has become a sort of litmus test. Although this issue matters very much to me, I would like it if politicians would have a chance to brush up on a topic before cornered. I doubt Rubio even thought about this much. Now, if the interview was about science, and he went into it knowing this, and gave the same answer, I'd say he is pandering to the fundys.

Let me say that anyone claiming that evolution is false or that global warming is a hoax, that's the first question I'd ask. All modern science is based on a paradigm that begins with an ancient universe and a 4.6 billion year old earth. If you don't accept that the rest is hooey.

November 21, 2012 at 4:58 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

If Rubio didn't know, he should have said so. "I don't know" is an honest and valid response. Much like asking me some sports question, I could say, "I don't know" rather than pretend I do.

But Rubio didn't do that. He gave a meandering answer that made him look foolish. He's certainly not the first politician to do that, and he won't be the last.

From now on the age of the earth question asked of candidates will be known as "the Rubio Question" so fundamentals should get their answers ready. I can't wait for the answers.

November 21, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Hey Dawg, go back to watchin nascar!! --jesse"

Why Jesse, bless your cornbread eatin' heart, was that an attempt at a zinger? The NASCAR reference seems a little shoehorned in as I've never referenced stock car racing and have never been a fan, but you is shore nuff dang-diggety-dong a busy son-of-a-gun. You have modertatin' of this here forum to while away the time in Hooterville. Your one-man, off-off-Broadway production of "Yosemite Sam, We Hardly Knew Ye" is taking shape. And in the midst of all that you took time give me the old what for...Truly, you are a rootin' tootin' renaissance man.

For the record, am I "full of shat" or an "azzhole" or both.

November 21, 2012 at 5:22 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"The question was out of context. If it had been a interview about scientific matters, maybe. But Rubio may not really be a creationist, and he may not be aware that this question has become a sort of litmus test. Although this issue matters very much to me, I would like it if politicians would have a chance to brush up on a topic before cornered. I doubt Rubio even thought about this much."- lkeithlu

My god, it's not like he was asked to elaborote on the theory of relativity or the laws of thermodynamics! It was a very general question, one that most thinking adults would have a ready answer for. And anyway, considering that so many Republicans have been making some very absurd anti-science comments lately, I don't see how the question could be considered out of context, no matter what else they were talking about in the interview. I think it's important to know where our elected representatives stand on the matter of science vs. religion and it's unfair to blame reporters for trying to bring that stance to light.

November 21, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rubio could have said that question was above his pay-grade.

November 21, 2012 at 5:51 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lu: Be careful. You're almost sounding reasonable.

Happy Thanksgiving to all posters. Even the jerks.

November 21, 2012 at 5:52 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Okay, Rickaroo and Dayton, I guess I can see your point. Hopefully Rubio will redeem himself (as GOP'ers go, I kinda like him, so perhaps I am giving him a pass).

Happy Thanksgiving, all! My favorite holiday cuz' I luvs to cook. If you are traveling, be safe.

November 21, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
miraweb said...

A happy and safe Thanksgiving to everyone!

November 21, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
degage said...

jesse and nooga, so what I lived on a 38foot sail boat for 18 yrs. 9 of it in the Fl keys. Sailing is a lot of work but when you conquer the trip it is a big high without the drugs. The boating community is very close and everyone is always ready to help a person with problems. We cruised and meet many long term friends even tho we have moved back to the land,many of them have too. Maybe you should try it nooga you might get a better outlook on life.

November 21, 2012 at 7:04 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY dawg.sorry about that BUT it seemed to fit! Gotta run what ya brung!

November 21, 2012 at 7:07 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

degage, we are headed there soon on a 44 ft home-built steel hulled trawler. Can't wait!

November 21, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I think it appropriate that we liberals wish all you conservatives a Blessed day as well as a plentiful Thanksgiving Dinner, since we ate your lunch this month. Our vote-ucopia runneth over!

November 21, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Degage, i was gonna crank up and take my boat to Mardi Gras one year and then i saw "the perfect storm" and decided i needed a "BIGGER BOAT" for that! Never got out on the Ocean but had some friends that did,got their azz spooked big time!! Mostly what i was was a DOCK ROOSTER, Also learned that a boat is a hole in the water you fill up with money!

B.O. A.T. Break Out Another Thousand!

November 21, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"HEY dawg.sorry about that BUT it seemed to fit! Gotta run what ya brung!--jesse"

Here I am trying to converse with Jesse, and I cannot find my Pabst Blue Ribbon Cooter Brown decoder ring anywhere. This could get complicated.

November 21, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY don't be mouthin on P.B.R.! That is the Great American Sudds! Don't worry about your decoder ring, i can dumb it down enough to converse w/ya!

November 21, 2012 at 7:44 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Everyone eat lot's of food, enjoy family and friends, don't shoot your obnoxious brother-in-law, and find a comfortable couch for a nap.

November 21, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.
degage said...

Ike, You will never regret it. The cruising is the best part, but you will have times you are scared out of your wits then everything straightens out and you find you beat that one and you set out again. We had to sell and move back to land for health reasons. My husband really misses it. Don't let anything stop you and GOOD LUCK.

November 21, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Thanks! The trip from TN to the Gulf was quite the adventure. We are looking forward to the next step!

November 21, 2012 at 8:43 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Lu,do you happin to hang around Captivia dock?(Chatta.Island cove!)

If you do i may know you!!(i been out of the boatin buis for 10 years but still have a lot of friends on the lake!)

November 21, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"HEY don't be mouthin on P.B.R.! That is the Great American Sudds! Don't worry about your decoder ring, i can dumb it down enough to converse w/ya! --jesse"

You can "dumb it down"? So this Gabby Hayes with tourette syndrome routine is your top-shelf material? Excellent. Jesse, you can have the last word on this one if you like. I am sure you have plenty of barnyard analogies and Hee-Haw Cornfield County comebacks in your repertoire to really land a solid punch. Hit me with your best shot.

November 21, 2012 at 9:36 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey dawg,i done went and run out of ammo! You win!enjoy!

November 21, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

That dawg. So hip!

November 21, 2012 at 9:58 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"Hey dawg,i done went and run out of ammo! You win!enjoy! --jesse"

Fair enough Jesse. I enjoyed sparring with you. Perhaps we will butt heads again or perhaps things will be copasetic between us. Only time will tell.

Either way, keep on rocking in the free world.

November 22, 2012 at 12:38 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Jesse, our boat never went upstream from Hale's Bar, where it was launched. It's now on the Gulf coast, and will not return to the river system. Thanks for asking, though!

November 22, 2012 at 7:54 a.m.
chet123 said...

WHY DID UT HIRE DOOLEY TO START WITH....OH...I FORGOT...THIS IS A REPUBLICAN STATE........WHY EXPECT SENSIBLE DECISIONS.....RIGHYT-WINGS NUT......STILL BELEIVE NEPOTISM!.....THE NAME DOOLEY MADE HIM A QUALIFIER...EVENTHOUGHT HE WAS UNACCOMPLISHED AS A BIG TIME COLLEGE HEAD COACH......

AFFIRMATIVE(GOOD OLE BOYS) ACTION IS LIVE AND WELL! HA HA HA

November 23, 2012 at 1:06 p.m.
chet123 said...

WHY DID UT HIRE DOOLEY TO START WITH....OH...I FORGOT...THIS IS A REPUBLICAN STATE........WHY EXPECT SENSIBLE DECISIONS.....RIGHYT-WINGS NUT......STILL BELEIVE NEPOTISM!.....THE NAME DOOLEY MADE HIM A QUALIFIER...EVENTHOUGHT HE WAS UNACCOMPLISHED AS A BIG TIME COLLEGE HEAD COACH......

AFFIRMATIVE(GOOD OLE BOYS) ACTION IS LIVE AND WELL! HA HA HA

November 23, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
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