published Thursday, October 18th, 2012

5-at-10: Fab 4 (plus one) picks, UT-Bama and UK basketball

Remember the Friday mailbag, and, hey, do something nice today. Bring a co-worker a cup of coffee, speak to a stranger, buy a newspaper. It's well worth the investment.

From the "Talks too much" studios, here we go...

Not so bright Orange future

We believe most of the folks who read the 5-at-10 are pretty sharp. We believe most of them are also UT fans.

If that's the case, Saturday does look too promising for Derek Dooley and the boys on Saturday.

Look at the picks so far in the Third Saturday in October... Can the Vols shock the world contest:

scole023 — Alabama 31, UT 12

TennFlyer — Bama 35-10

OrdinaryGuy — Bama 42-3

Stewwie — Bama 38-21

JohnathanMCook —Bama 46-10

FEchancellor — Bama 35-17

BlueOval — Bama 42-17

Spy — Bama 37-10

Musicman375 — Bama 38-17

McPell — Bama 41-16

Livn4life — Bama 42-6

Sportsfan — Vols 27-24

StuckinKent — Bama 31-23

Dawg747 — Bama 42-7

wannabe33 — Bama 56-3

Jefe — Bama 35-24

Tiger — Bama 38-24

ThatIDoKNow — Vols 31-27

Harold — Bama 42-14

Granted we are still looking for some more entries and we may call some of the local radio folks to see what they have too.

We have some mailbag questions about this game, so we won't go too deep into the preview stuff today. But here are the three things that must, Must, MUST happen for this game to be worth watching past 8 p.m. for any one other than the most die-hard UT and Bama fans and those who like B-horror movies:

1) Justin Hunter to the orange courtesy phone. Hunter is a slam-dunk first-round pick. He needs to play like it.

2) Derek Dooley meet Cordarrelle Patterson, Cordarrelle meet Mr. Dooley. Patterson is electric. Dude needs to be returning kicks, punts, catching screens even running jet sweeps. Heck, dude is averaging almost 20 yards a rush, let him run off tackle. He needs 20 touches Saturday. Period. (Side note: SportTalk's Dr. B (he's a doctor after all) slap nailed his preseason pick that Cordarrelle was going to be a stud duck. Nailed it. Now, you can say that's Dr. B spaghetti style — you know, if you keep throwing noodles at the wall, eventually something will stick — if you want, but CP is a hoss.)

3) A.J. McCarron, you and your chest tat can have a career night, but we're putting nine guys in the box and taking our chances. We'll go on record right now and say if the Tide throws for 400 yards and scores five TDs in the passing game, then Sal Sunseri's plan was good. It's the classic pick-your-poison position for an overmatched UT defense, but if the Vols do not stack the line of scrimmage against Bama's overpowering running game, UT has no chance. None. And you know this.


Fab 4 picks (plus one) — but minus three before noon

OK, we don't know if this is a testament to how crazy the SEC is this year or how how the Fab 4 (plus one) picks are, but check this out: The last two weeks, the Fab 4 is 8-2-1, but the silly eye-blacked Sports Editor is 5-7 picking SEC games straight up in the "Can you beat Jay" contest.

Needless to say we're not picking a lot of SEC games when there's entertainment stakes at play. Let's make some entertainment.

Oregon minus-7 at Arizona State: This number has dropped like a tech stock. It started at 10 at the beginning of the week, and a friend of the show who would prefer to remain nameless has there's heavy entertainment on ASU. The main reason of course is that all of the talking heads have used buzz words like "Upset Alert" and "Sleeper" when describing the Devils this week. Here's another key word — "Angry." As in the high-flying Ducks are likely pretty torqued the Florida Gators jumped them in the BCS poll. Here's another key word — "casinos." When the public loves a pick as much as the Sun Devils — the line moving three points is a lot of action — more times than not that train crashes. There are not a lot of bettors in monster palaces with 1,000s of rooms. Those are called casinos and they are built with the money, er... entertainment, wagered by the masses.

La. Tech minus-30 against Idaho: OK, if you think we have scouting reports or breakdowns on this game you're nuts. Here's what we know: The Techsters have covered five times in six games. They have scored more than 40 in every game this season, including a gutsy 59-57 loss to Texas A&M last week. The Idaho Vandals are 1-6 overall and against the spread this year. In their last three road games — and the trip from Idaho is a haul to anywhere — they have lost by 49 to LSU, 66 to UNC and 31 to Texas State. Yes, that Texas State.

OK, we'll be back with the rest of our picks. We're struggling this morning and we have to get the lil' 5-at-10 to preschool. Giddy-up.


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    Kentucky freshman Willie Cauley-Stein dances after his introduction during Kentucky's NCAA college basketball Big Blue Madness at Rupp Arena in Lexington, Ky., Friday, Oct. 12, 2012. (AP Photo/James Crisp)

Kentucky gets good news

No not the football team, which will get a whipping on Saturday from an angry Georgia bunch.

No the Wildcats basketball team received a big jolt of positive energy with the news that freshman rock star Nerlens Noel will be eligible to play this year.

Noel, who has a big-time game and arguably the best high-top fade since Kid-n-Play were doing work, is a 6-foot-10 specimen that is athletic and gifted.

In fact, with the news that he will be eligible to play, Noel becomes one of the best players in the SEC right now and gives serious teeth to the Cats' preseason No. 3-ranking in the USA Today preseason poll.

Here's the early rankings:

1) Indiana

2) Louisville

3) Kentucky

4) THE Ohio State

5) Michigan

Your Tennessee Vols received 10 points in the polling, so if you carried it through, Cuonzo "The Conz" Martin's bunch would 33rd in the poll.


This and that

— From the Inteweb and Good Morning America, "A 96-year-old farmer in India says that he has set the record for the world's oldest new dad - for the second time. Ramjit Raghav and his 52-year-old wife Shakuntala Devi, who live in Haryana, 31 miles northwest of Delhi, welcomed baby Ranjeet earlier this month. The healthy baby boy was born on Oct. 5, according to The Times of India." Ramjit said "I didn't take any performance enhancers" to complete his family. Take that Lance Armstrong.

— The Cards took Game 3 over the Giants 3-1 and lead the NLCS 2-1. The game was delayed by rain and pushed into Fox's primetime TV lineup. The move caused major complications on "The X-Factor" one of the reality singing competition shows.

— Game 4 of the ALCS was moved to tonight because of rain. And while the odds are looooooongggggg that the Yankees can rally from a 3-0 hole, it's pretty important for the Tigers to handle their BID-ness as soon as possible. First, there are two more games in Detroit and no one in a Tigers uniform wants to go back to NYC. Second and more important, if Detroit can end this tonight or this weekend, it likely can set its rotation to get the ball to Justin Verlander three times in the World Series. And that would be a huge edge.


Today's questions

We're open to anything today. Give us a whirl — but remember the contest above and Friday's mailbag.

That said, we offer up two Rushmores for today's question:

In honor of the debacle that has become the A-Rod situation — the Yankees' $30 million reserve — we're going to borrow the idea from Wednesday. What's your Rushmore of the biggest confidence implosions for great players: We'll go Tiger Woods, A-Rod, Brad Lidge and Vince Young.

The second Rushmore option is in honor of Marshall Mathers — also known as Eminem — who turned 40 on Wednesday. What's your Rushmore of rappers all-time: We'll take Chuck D, LL Cool J, Eminem, Snoop.

And that second one may be one of the tougher Rushmores we've done in a long time.


about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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BIspy4 said...


I'll see your Chuck D (hard to argue with, though) and raise you an Andre 3000, Tupac, Dr Dre and Ice T. I do think LL and Snoop are better than Tupac, but what's wrong with being a rap contrarian?

October 18, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Well, well, well...too deep for a man concerned about the swelling tide heading for Rocky Top. But hey, as regards my pick and most others on here, I've been wrong before and it was not a disaster. It is 5-at-(no)spin about UT needing to load the box and try to stop the elephant stampede. They might, I say I say, might(Foghornleghorn)have a small chance by making the elephants fly mostly. Here's believing it'll be unpretty but by season's end Volfania will look a little better than the "we couldn't beat a wr/qb at Ky" debacle that never goes away.

Ramjit Raghav...Dude HAS to be riding something besides a bicycle to be 96 and father a child with 0 "enhancification." My question for his wife is, do they have so many kids she never cooks just orders take out from Delhi?

Finally, My favorite (w)rapper: Well personally, I like the paper they put around Butterfinger bars, but thatis definitely just me.

October 18, 2012 at 10:35 a.m.
Todd962 said...

I will go with Tennessee 21 Bama 20, which is the equivalent of The Price is Right's $1 dollar bid. Its a long shot.

If you ever watched the Chappelle Show, then you know the five greatest rappers of all time are Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, Dylan, and Dylan. But since this rushmore deals with more non-fiction characters, I will go with Eminem, Biggie, Tupac, and Jay-Z. They are all honed in the dark arts of lyrical wizardry. Chuck D got docked points because he allowed one of his friends to wear a wall clock as bling.

A tip of the hat to the gentleman in India. That would have been impressive for him to have done it 25 years ago in his early 70's, but 96 is a feat. They asked George Burns one time what it was like to have sex at 90 and he responded with, "it's like trying to shoot pool with a rope."

October 18, 2012 at 11:08 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

Andre 3000 is an excellent call. Dude has skills. Although we think T.I. maybe the best ATL rapper ever.


We can appreciate your appreciation for the Butterfinger. Although we can see you being more of a Vanilla Ice cream kind of guy.

So it goes.

And are you talking about the Delhi or the New Delhi?

Mr. 962 —

That's an excellent Mr. Burns' quote. Exxxxxxcccccellent.

And you can't fault Chuck D for the debacle that was Flavor-Flav. No way. You can't hold a Chuck D responsible for the behavior of a few, sick perverted individuals. For if you do, then shouldn't we blame the whole rap system? And if the whole rap system is guilty, then isn't this an indictment of our musical institutions in general? I put it to you, 962: isn't this an indictment of our entire American society? Well, you can do what you you want to our Rap Rushmore, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America. Gentlemen!

— 5-at-10

October 18, 2012 at 11:18 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Hey Jay,

This will be short-n-sweet. Obviously, the "regulars" (I being one of them) has concluded that Saturday's game against the Tide is going to make the bloodletting at Arkansas look like a boo-boo when you fall off your bike (in the pre-helmet days). Therefore, anyone whose actually within the 423 I would simply advise to skip the game and go to Finley. At least the Mocs have a snowballs chance against their opponent.

Also, they will probably have the game televised at the Stadium Club so you can check back and fourth.

Instead of picking final scores, it should be how long the game will last before people start changing channels. I already am imagining the commercials:

Hey Sooner fans! If you LOVE lopsided games that are pretty much done and over with by the start of the 2nd quarter, then check out the South's answer to the Red River Classic! It's ALABAMA vs. TENNESSEE! Same colors, just slightly lighter.

Speaking of them fight'n Armadillo-Wildcats, I did check our the broadcast of the game against them Idaho Vandels on ESPN3 (intermission to keep me entertained until Tenn-Miss. State came on). I didn't know the state had any other programs other than Smurf U. in Boise. Needless to say, I lost interest after the 2nd quarter. It won't be long before the "Louisiana-Monroe" of the Lone Star State begins competing against the Longhorns, Bear, and Aggies of the state. ^^()

October 18, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
jgreeson said...

OK gang, here's the rest of the picks:

Florida minus-3 against South Carolina: Unless Spurrier is playing tricks with the validity about the health concerns of Marcus Lattimore's hip, well, that's a lot to overcome. Plus, as good as Connor Shaw has been, he has not been as good as Johnny Manziel, who Florida shut down.Buy the half to be safe.

Nebraska minus-5.5 at Northwestern. You know one of our golden gambling rules is "If a line looks too good to be true, it is." Well here you go. Northwestern is 6-1; Nebraska is 3-3. Northwestern is coming off a road win at Minnesota and at home. Nebraska was smoked by 30 against THE Ohio State University in its last game. Either way, you can thank us Saturday evening when you Nebraska 36, Northwestern 13 flash across the scroll.

Southern Miss minus- 2.5 against Marshall: Southern Miss is winless. That changes this weekend. Hard.

If you need one more just because, we have to throw this one out there because of the Auburn connection:

TCU plus-3 against Texas Tech: Every Auburn fan within the view of our writing knows this song and dance all too well from Tommy Tuberville. Have your team sky high for a huge home game against a top-five foe and play out of your mind like Texas Tech did last week against West Virginia last week. Then follow that up with a very-Tuberville-esque egg the following week. For Auburn fans it normally was a big win or great showing against a Florida or LSU and then a stinker against Arkansas. So it goes.

October 18, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
chas9 said...

Jay--Strongly agree about Cordarrelle. As I said yesterday, he's had too few touches. And right again about Proctologist B's method. He's also touting a pig, who has yet to impress.

I get your defensive strategy advice, but if Bama scores 35 passing and a few more miscellaneous points, The Vols have to get 40 something, which won't happen against Bama.

My policy is not to give up 20+ points in any game, but your La Tech call is solid.

Gawga is in Kansas to try to get the top juco player, a DT. You'd think Kansas would sign a lot of the great juco talent in the state, but The Dawgs will probably win this tussle. How has Kansas gotten this stinky? Guess teams with a K in the name are jinxed. KU, UK, Arkansas.

L4L--Thanks for the wide receiver at QB reference. Good memory. Now let's talk basketball.

October 18, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
Todd962 said...

Ha ha!(Pee-wee Herman laugh) I think we have used that AH quote about four times this month. I find it appropriate in nearly all social situations despite protests from the lady friend. She claims that people dont know what its from and I claim that if they dont know what its from then why are we talking to them in the first place.

If it works out that the Tigers advances to the WS and that Verlander is able to pitch three games, do you see either of the two potential opponents standing a chance? Dude seems to be consistently dominating against anything that stands in his way.

Most people dont know this about me, but I once held the record for being the youngest human being alive, it was a long time ago and I dont like to boast, but it happened.

October 18, 2012 at 11:53 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From StuckinKent —

So excited about the Arizona State-Oregon game tonight. Sometimes, those teams caught up in a very early season BCS controversy get caught thinking too much about it. Could happen to Oregon.

My problem is that I think Arizona State is good....but they got beat 24-20 by Missouri when Missouri didn't have Franklin. Alabama beat Missouri without Franklin 42-10. I think Alabama and Oregon are about a TD difference. Combine that with the home field advantage...calculating....calculating....Oregon should be favored (based on all that) by roughly 26 points. They're only favored by 7. I could see adding another TD, because ASU was without their starting QB in that game. Still Oregon by 19. Do I think ASU has a shot? Sure I do. But where is the smart money on this game? On Oregon. I'll be rooting for ASU tonight, and I think they've got a decent shot. I've been looking forward to this game since Oregon reached their bye unbeaten and ASU reached the Colorado game with one loss....which guarantee them to be entering this game with one loss. But I do think that the spread is awfully AWFULLY small for Oregon. ASU is getting a lot of credit against the spread for not doing much yet. I'd probably be comfortable betting on Oregon all the way up to 14 points. Then start not knowing until about 20 points, at which point I'd start leaning the other way.

October 18, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Gawga doesn't miss many when it really wants a recruit. So it goes.

And if 'K' teams are jinxed, then we're going to start spelling our alma mater K-Auburn.

962 —

Your first paragraph made us laugh out loud. And we concur. It's the transitive property of supremely confident: We like us, and we like the people who like us because we have a lot in common.

And we think you beat our record of being the world's youngest human we set a while back. Good times.

Stuck —

This may be the first Thursday night game since Vandy-USC that we're excited to watch.

Been some real stinkers this year.

— 5-at-10

October 18, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
sportsfan said...

Jay - for the Rushmore question - put me down for the Beastie Boys (all three) and David Duval. You select the appropriate category. As for the Vols, every (and I mean emphatically) every ball has to bounce their way on Saturday for them to have even the slimmest of chances to win.

October 18, 2012 at 12:18 p.m.
fechancellor said...

Ten Ring, exactly when has A-Rod ever been much of a factor in the playoffs? Your choice affirmed.

Johnny Miller disappeared from the tour in the late seventies with a Hogan like case of the Yips! Can the Yips be considered a crisis of confidence? In my experience, yes!

Greg Norman had a crisis of confidence on Sunday in almost every instance he was in contention for a Major. Include Monday too.

Yea too on Vince Young, as an example of the complete NFL mental meltdown.

Don't like Hip-Hop, Rap music. Two mixers happened to grab my attention over the years--Sir Mix Alot and Shock-G in his guise as Humpty.

October 18, 2012 at 12:19 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Sportsfan —

Concur. The Vols are going to need a river of good bounces.

Here's a thought: Win the toss defer, on-side kick. Announce to everyone there you've come to work and are pushing your chips in to win the sucker. What's the difference between a 24-10 loss and a 44-10 loss? Not much in the grand scheme of things.

FE to the C —

Well-crafted renaissance post there good man. Well-played indeed.

Norman was jello with the chips on the table.

And you added two cats that had major hands it two songs that shaped our young adult years: Baby Got Back and The Humpty Dance (is your chance .... so do the hump. Talk to me BAY-BEE.)

— 5-at-10

October 18, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
chas9 said...

Yes, The Cats are celebrating, but we weren't too worried about Noel. To the dismay of the rest of the SEC, Poythress is almost as amazing as the fade-topped Nerlens.

Draw a relatively small circle through Columbus, Bloomington and Lexington, with Louisville in the middle, and you have the top four teams. It's the South for pointyball, Midwest for roundball. And UCLA may have to wait to return to glory since two of its top drawer recruits are still sweating eligibility issues.

October 18, 2012 at 1:03 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

ARod was very good in the 2009 playoffs....

That was the only time.

October 18, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Paschall and the 5-at-10 were kicking around that geographic oddity this very day.

Don't know as much about Poythress. Do know that Noel, Noel's box top hair-do is BOSS-standing.

If those Cats stay an extra year with the incoming Cats, look out.

Stuck —

Yes, there was 2009. And there was that one time at band camp...

— 5-at-10

October 18, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
orangeguy said...

My heart says Vols 21-20. My head says Bama 48-13. So I'll say Bama 34-17.

Twitter says there are rumors that Saban is Haslem's top choice for Browns next year. NostraJaymus floated that yesterday as a joke. Here's hoping anyway.

Looking forward to your spot on The Show today.

October 18, 2012 at 1:23 p.m.
jgreeson said...

OG, part II —

Wow, the gang was kicking that around and laughing about the Saban stuff yesterday and then today it hits the twitter. Heck, Hargis called us this morning and said Mortenson and those guys were kicking Saban's name around for Cleveland or Dallas.

And if Haslam can't get Saban, he could still help the Vols by going after Chip Kelly — the Vols go to Oregon next year.

— 5-at-10

October 18, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.
fechancellor said...

Ten Ring, I've had impressed upon me that Saban is chasing the Bear's six National Championships, thus he's not likely to leave Alabama for any reason. However, Dooley is available for such duties as the Haslam's might require.

October 18, 2012 at 1:43 p.m.
Livn4life said...

Arizzzzzzzzona State; caught sleeping with Duck Down Pillows or Oregon Quackly Burns the Sun Devils. Either could describe this game.

October 18, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
jgreeson said...

FE to the C —

Can certainly see Saban making a run at history. No doubt. And at this pace, he'll have that by 2018.

Who knows: To quote Dooley, "It's not about the money. It's about the amount."

Livn(Large) —


Anyone want to take a guess at what the Ducks wear tonight considering they have the stage all to themselves?

They may come out in shorts and we wouldn't be surprised.

— 5-at-10

October 18, 2012 at 2:02 p.m.
chas9 said...

In his excellent column today Pasquale observes that Kentucky led SC at the half while Gawga did not. I'd add that in final score margin and in every statistical category, The Cats gave The Cocks a better battle than did the Dawgs.

So I'm predicting UK will maul UGA on Saturday.

Just checking to see if you're still awake.

October 18, 2012 at 2:22 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

We're in.

In fact, we're leaving work early today, heading to Vegas and betting a three-team parlay of Colorado, Kentucky and Tennessee — and we're not taking any points. Those three straight-up.

Yes we're still awake but we're fading prezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

October 18, 2012 at 2:52 p.m.
chas9 said...

I don't know about The Buffs. You might wan to take Kansas instead.

October 18, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.
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