published Tuesday, October 23rd, 2012

The Trick or Treater

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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miraweb said...

Wouldn't the Romney costume be a white shirt, dark pants, short haircut, and a black name tag.

Or tophat and tails, if it's after six.

October 23, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
Salsa said...

Obama would trick her with a UAV strike.

October 23, 2012 at 12:16 a.m.
miraweb said...

I wonder how many Romney grandkids are going as Big Bird this year.

October 23, 2012 at 12:52 a.m.
fairmon said...

It was difficult to determine which was the president and which was the challenger. Obama did a pretty good job of describing 4 years of chicken crap as chicken salad and Romney failed to tell people what it was instead of chicken salad. Both counter punched to avoid giving the other a knock out opportunity. Gary Johnson would have made it a more lively and informative debate while offering a different and better option. The DNC and RNC certainly make a bipartisan effort to prevent third party participation. I am certainly tempted to put $8,000 up on Obama to win $10,000. I would be betting Romney will see a Tsunami of lying negative ads that he cannot respond to before the vote.

October 23, 2012 at 6:29 a.m.
ricardo said...

Romney wants to send YOUR sons to war, but not his own.

October 23, 2012 at 6:36 a.m.
fairmon said...

ricardo said...

Romney wants to send YOUR sons to war, but not his own.

I missed that point. I heard them both be pretty emphatic that they did not want to send more Americans into battle and both said they would end the involvement in Afghanistan.

Those opting to vote for Obama or Romney and ignore Johnson need only to decide which will do more to improve the economy and add jobs for Americans. It may not matter very much which wins unless congress becomes more objective. I would like to see someone address the debt and deficits but neither seems willing to do that. At least once the vote is over stocks and the market will be more predictable. An up trend or down trend that last more than two or three days can be very profitable.

October 23, 2012 at 6:50 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

3rd party debate tonight moderated by Larry King? Libertarian Party's Gary Johnson, Constitution Party's Virgil Goode, a Green Party guy, a Justice Party guy (whatever that party is, it has a good name)...

President Obama doubled the deficit after denouncing it as unpatriotic, and we're supposed to be scared of Romney?

In the Bible, the order God gives most often is "fear not." The thousand-year Reich lasted 12 years, the evil empire 73 or so. Get some perspective--watch Eric Liddell's Bible reading in Paris in "Chariots of Fire."

October 23, 2012 at 7:10 a.m.
joneses said...

Ricardo you are an idiot and a liar. Before you regurgitate the dummycrat liberal lies look up the facts. Out of all the American fatalities in Afghanistan about two thirds of them have occurred the last four years while Hussein Obama has occupied the White House. Hussein Obama is responsible for sending 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan. Hussein Obama is also responsible for getting America in a conflict in central Africa where we currently have another 100 troops. And let us not forget him bragging on putting American soldiers in harms way in Libya. Presidential candidate Mitt Romney has never said he wants to send young men to war. This is just another lie from a desperate President who cannot run on his record and can only bring up trivial things against presidential candidate Mitt Romney like a list of women job applicants in binders, where his opponent carries his dog on trips and other stupid topics. Hussein Obama is really making a fool of his self and is giving us more proof he lacks the maturity and intellect to occupy the White House.

October 23, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
rolando said...

On the other hand, if the kid was dressed as a muslim radical and kissing her foot [or ring], he would be the spittin' image of The Obama.

Those same radicals are the ones loading their women and children with dynamite around their waists and sending them into crowds of other women and children and blowing everybody up, helter-skelter. [God (or Allah) forbid they would actually endanger themselves. The Obama never risked anything of his.

I don't see HIM removing any troops from warzones...all he does is talk, talk, talk. I mean, ALL.

October 23, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I thought Romney did a good job of avoiding being painted as a Bush recycle and looked like the adult in the room. Obama looked and acted like a petty thug.

This will probably be one of those things were the MSM paints Obama as the winner, he was acting just like one of them in their stupid panel discussions. Even so, Romney will probably get another lift in the polls because he was the real winner.

Too bad neither one of them are good for America. The two party system fails us again as everyone is unaware of their options or is afraid of "wasting their vote". Voters think because the MSM does not offer up the best candidates as a viable candidate then it must be true. The power those voters give to the MSM and the two party political machine is stunning.

October 23, 2012 at 8:13 a.m.
EaTn said...

BRP said....President Obama doubled the deficit after denouncing it as unpatriotic, and we're supposed to be scared of Romney?

The deficit went from approx 5 cumulative to 6 trillion under Clinton, 6 cumulative-12 under Bush and 12 cumulative-16 under Obama.

October 23, 2012 at 8:30 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

EaTn,

You misattribute your quote, but I will be happy to respond. If your numbers are correct, the debt rose 1/8 of a trillion per year under Clinton, 6/8 of a trillion per year under Bush, and 1 trillion a year under Obama (that sounds low). Bush was only the worst spender in history until Obama came along. It is funny how you obamapologists try to justify his behaviour by comparing it to the same deplorable behaviour in a man you despise so deeply.

October 23, 2012 at 8:45 a.m.
alprova said...

"I can assure you if I'm President, the Iranians will have no question but that I would be willing to take military action, if necessary, to prevent them from becoming a nuclear threat to the world. I don't believe at this stage, therefore, if I'm President, that we need to have war powers approval or a special authorization for military force. The President has that capacity now." -- Mitt Romney, June 16, 2012 spoken on Face The Nation.

Speaking at a campaign stop in Snellville, Georgia, Mitt Romney said, speaking of the President: "He's also failed to communicate that military options are on the table and in fact in our hand, and that it's unacceptable to America for Iran to have a nuclear weapon."

"I will have those military options. I will take those crippling sanctions and put them into place," he said. "And I will speak out to the Iranian people of the peril of them becoming nuclear …. I'm not willing to allow your generation to have to worry about a threat from Iran or anyone else that nuclear material be used against Americans." -- March 5, 2012

October 23, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

Oct 23 (Reuters) - AK Steel Holding Corp posted a wider third-quarter loss on Tuesday, as weak global demand pushed down prices for its steel products.

The net loss was $60.9 million, or 55 cents per share, compared with a loss of $3.5 million, or 3 cents per share, in the same quarter of 2011, the Ohio-based steelmaker said.

The economy is better? Dupont also had much lower earnings and announced a lay off of 1500 more people. Tell us again why Gary Johnson shouldn't be participating in the discussions? Please, don't tell us how great Obumblenomics are.

October 23, 2012 at 9:05 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Rather nice to see Mitt almost completely endorse the presidents foreign policy. Romney looked like a school boy being instructed by a professor whose only response is "yes sir".

October 23, 2012 at 9:11 a.m.
alprova said...

Mitt Romney said last night: "The U.S. military is at risk of losing its "military superiority" because "our Navy is smaller than it's been since 1917. Our Air Force is smaller and older than any time since 1947."

Your nose just grew another inch and your pants are on fire Mitt;

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jan/18/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-us-navy-smallest-1917-air-force-s/

October 23, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Tell us again why Gary Johnson shouldn't be participating in the discussions?"

1.) Because not many people know who the man is and the fact that he has been running for President.

2.) Because he hasn't amassed more than 6% support in his own state.

3.) Because Gary Johnson, like all of the Presidential contenders, does not have a magic wand in his back pocket that he can whip out and wave, to magically transform this economy overnight.

We are going to weakly recover for many years to come...period.

October 23, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
fairmon said...

Earnings conference calls are beginning to resemble crisis hotlines as corporate executives slash profit forecasts because of fears of higher taxes, a recession in Europe and slowing economy in China.

Steven Puetzer | Getty Images

Of the 20 companies in the S&P 500 that have provided guidance for the fourth quarter during the current earnings reporting season, 18 have slashed their forecasts. That's a 90 percent negative run rate that many investors and analysts have never seen before?

Alprova said....

We are going to weakly recover for many years to come...period.

It is hard to get a good feeling about even a weak recovery. How good is the economy? Is it turning around? Is it turning in the desired direction? Could it be that there will be many results we have never seen before.

The cheer leading sounds more like hit'm again congress, they are still conscious and breathing but another blow or two should knock them out. Be sure you save the banks, brokers, insurers, some favorite service operations and public employees. The administration and congress needs their money and votes. You congress are the experts at manipulating the tax codes and keeping them so complex no one understands them, so go for it.

October 23, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
miraweb said...

I still wonder why Romney " the man of peace" has his own senior foreign policy advisor, Robert Kagan, asking for 100,000 new troops.

That's a lot of painting and sweeping if you really have no plans to use them.

October 23, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
miraweb said...

Harp - I don't think you have to look much further than Europe. There was a reason that the Fed started moving on the U.S. economy last month. No matter who gets elected Europe is going to drag the world economy for at least the next 18 months.

The winner may be the guy who doesn't become President.

October 23, 2012 at 9:34 a.m.
alprova said...

It's funny to watch the talking heads this morning.

Basically, with all this whining about the President being on the attack last night, the President's performance last night is nothing more than payback for Mitt's performance in debate #1.

The funniest assessment I have heard, is that Mitt's only goal last night was to strive to appear Presidential.

Well if a President is supposed to be a man who repeats learned taking points over and over again, and running away from what the man said previously, then Mitt Romney hit a home run.

October 23, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot writes: “I thought Romney did a good job of avoiding being painted as a Bush recycle. . . Romney will probably get another lift in the polls because he was the real winner. . . Too bad neither one of them are good for America. The two party system fails us again as everyone is unaware of their options or is afraid of "wasting their vote"

But in reality, Romney is a recycled Bush, BigRidgePatriot. As someone who claims to be a supporter of third party candidate Gary Johnson, I would think you would be a bit concerned that Romney was trying to deceive the public and hide the fact that two thirds of his advisors are veterans of the Bush administration. Surely, you’re not trying to tell us that Gary Johnson would be seeking advice from some of these recycled neo cons that Romney has hired:

John Bolton “He is such a neocon war hawk that Mr. Bolton told officials in Israel that America's next targets after attacking Iraq would be Syria, Iran and North Korea.”

Dan Senor: “The former Bush spokesman in Iraq during Paul Bremer's disastrous "Provisional Authority" period when the Iraqi Army was disbanded and civil riots exploded.”

Robert Joseph: the National Security Council official who wrote the notorious "sixteen words" lie in President Bush's 2003 State of the Union speech that falsely claimed Iraq was trying to buy enriched uranium.

Eric Edelman: “Not only was an important Bush official in the Pentagon, but it was his suggestion to boss Dick Cheney that Scooter Libby "out" CIA covert agent Valerie Plame. He also served in the Defense Department and pressed to attack Iran.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-j-elisberg/president-obama-whiffs-at_b_1979752.html

October 23, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
miraweb said...

Someone on the Romney campaign must watch the Daily Show. They spotted that Mitt choose a British-made tie for the second debate. His dressers found an American tie for the third round (hint: the stripes go the other way).

October 23, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
miraweb said...

I saw one headline that characterized the debate as a rough and tumble fight between two men who agree on just about everything.

October 23, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
hambone said...

If those were Romney kids trick or treating , they would be in suits and on a mission for the LDS !

October 23, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb said: “I saw one headline that characterized the debate as a rough and tumble fight between two men who agree on just about everything.”

Yes, I saw it too. . . It's one of those new generic headlines issued by Karl Rove.

October 23, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
mymy said...

In 2008 the American people got a trick instead of a treat!!!

The Final Poll: November 6, 2012!

It’s Still the Economy 4 years later!

14 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 23, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
mymy said...

nooga: Do you really think Obama made any improvements? If you do, your an even bigger idiot than I thought you were!!!

October 23, 2012 at 11:01 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb said: “I still wonder why Romney " the man of peace" has his own senior foreign policy advisor, Robert Kagan, asking for 100,000 new troops.”

Because Romney is planning more Republican driven-debt. . . The kind that George W. Bush created . . . Indeed, Romney dreams the U.S. will soon be engaged in another war . . . He and his neo-con pal Robert Kagan want to do to Iran what Bush and the neo-cons did to Iraq:

“A new study reports a "staggering rise" in birth defects among Iraqi children conceived in the aftermath of the war."

High rates of miscarriage, toxic levels of lead and mercury contamination and spiralling numbers of birth defects ranging from congenital heart defects to brain dysfunctions and malformed limbs have been recorded. Even more disturbingly, they appear to be occurring at an increasing rate in children born in Fallujah, about 40 miles west of Baghdad.

There is "compelling evidence" to link the increased numbers of defects and miscarriages to military assaults, says Mozhgan Savabieasfahani, one of the lead authors of the report and an environmental toxicologist at the University of Michigan's School of Public Health. Similar defects have been found among children born in Basra after British troops invaded, according to the new research.

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/iraq-records-huge-rise-in-birth-defects-8210444.html

October 23, 2012 at 11:02 a.m.
miraweb said...

14 Days To Go!

It is still the same people who brought us war, massive unemployment, and a lifetime of deficits that could return to power in Washington.

Tick, Tick, Tick, Tick

No Neocons 2012

October 23, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "But in reality, Romney is a recycled Bush, BigRidgePatriot. As someone who claims to be a supporter of third party candidate Gary Johnson, I would think you would be a bit concerned that Romney was trying to deceive the public and hide the fact that two thirds of his advisors are veterans of the Bush administration."

I was not making a statement on Romney's real intentions, just that he did a decent job of avoiding his position being characterised by Obama. Obama's only hope is to distract from his failures and get people to think Romney is the same as Bush. I really have no way of knowing if the advisors you point to would be able to turn Romney from his "diplomat" stance to a war hawk.

"Surely, you’re not trying to tell us that Gary Johnson would be seeking advice from some of these recycled neo cons that Romney has hired"

Of course not, at least not as a primary resource. Their philosophies are too contradictory. Where is that coming from?

October 23, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
alprova said...

Miraweb, I had to do a double take on your latest post. I thought that mymy had went off the deep end.

Hilarious!!

October 23, 2012 at 11:44 a.m.
ordinaryguy said...

What is so funny in the discussion today, is the so-called tolerant, all inclusive, politically correct, and whatever name you choose for the leftist, marxist, obamamaniacs are bashing Mitt for his religious beliefs SHAME SHAME you intolerant idiots

October 23, 2012 at 12:03 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel posted.....

“A new study reports a "staggering rise" in birth defects among Iraqi children conceived in the aftermath of the war."

High rates of miscarriage, toxic levels of lead and mercury contamination and spiralling numbers of birth defects ranging from congenital heart defects to brain dysfunctions and malformed limbs have been recorded. Even more disturbingly, they appear to be occurring at an increasing rate in children born in Fallujah, about 40 miles west of Baghdad.

You make a compelling case for not worrying about collateral damage if we are attacked again. Tell those living in a country with those that attack us they are SOL because their country will be leveled and unlivable for many years.

October 23, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

T_Q, as with most things you post, you are off the mark by about 180 degrees. Your comment that we liberals are always "denigrating any Republican that has not served" is unadulterated BS. It's not the fact that they haven't served, it's their blatant hypocrisy. Bush claimed that he was fully in favor of the Vietnam war, so why didn't he fight in it? He had a golden opportunity to serve but what did he do instead? He joined the National Guard. The NG was one of the best ways to get out of going to Nam at the time. And not only that, it is common knowledge that he had his daddy pull strings to get him in. Furthermore, even during his stint in the NG, he was AWOL half the time. He couldn't even fulfill his duties there admirably.

During the Viet Nam war there was much dissent. People who were opposed to it were just as strong in their convictions as those who served but they felt in their heart of hearts that it was a wrong and murderous war. The point was to make a stand and either fight in it or fight against it. Bush claimed that he was for it but he chose not to fight in it. There is no greater display of cowardice and hypocrisy than that. It's not that he didn't fight in the war but that he did not act in accordance with the stance that he claimed to be taking.

While most Americans who opposed the Viet Nam war were protesting AGAINST the draft, Romney was taking part in protests FOR it. Nothing wrong with that if that's truly how he believed, but while he claimed to have been in full support of the war and the draft, what did he do instead? He used his missionary work as an excuse to get out of serving. Again, it's not that he didn't serve but that he was such a gd hypocrite about it.

You always go to great lengths to speak out against the liberal point of view, but 99.99% of the time you, like most of the conservative foaming-at-the-mouth fumers and ranters on here, don't even see or hear where we're really coming from. It's funny how off the mark you are most of the time. And yet so sad.

October 23, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

“BigRidgePatriot says: “I was not making a statement on Romney's real intentions, just that he did a decent job of avoiding his position being characterised by Obama.”

Maybe to voters who haven’t been listening to Romney parroting all of those cocky neo-con slogans of his for the past 12 months. . . But anybody who has been listening it’s not too hard to figure out. . . As my grandfather always said:

“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.”

October 23, 2012 at 1:04 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: "You make a compelling case for not worrying about collateral damage if we are attacked again. Tell those living in a country with those that attack us they are SOL."

What country attacked us, Harp3339?

As for Iraq, Bush invaded Iraq. . . Iraq didn't invade the U.S.

October 23, 2012 at 1:09 p.m.
degage said...

Wrong EnTn, It was 6 trillion to 10trillion and Obama added 6 trillion to make it 16 trillion. You need to get your numbers straight or was that an intentional lie.

October 23, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
alprova said...

degage, nearly one trillion was in play, before Obama took office, but who really cares?

October 23, 2012 at 1:55 p.m.
degage said...

Obama came across as a petulant child last night. He could'nt wait for his turn to speak, had to interupt like a little kid. He definately came acroos as the angry bully, or better yet chicago thug that he is. He Didn't win and I think you libs know it but don;t wantto admit it. Al, is that all you have ,Who cares? Smallest post you ever made.

October 23, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
degage said...

Obama likes to claim Bain sent jobs to china but doesn't want to talk about the jobs his job czar Imment CEO of GE has sent to China and GM sending jobs to china, double standard. Just try to find a GE light bulb made in the US. you can't!

October 23, 2012 at 3:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML ASK...

What country attacked us, Harp3339?

Afghanistan was the home base of Al-Qaeda. We had and have no business in Iraq until the threat to the U.S. was evident or had occurred. I do not condone intervening in another country in any way. I do support a military with the equipment and capability to take more than one country completely out in 72 hours or less if their government or a group taking residence in their country attack the U.S. We do not currently have that ability. The best offense is a strong defense and a strong economy to support it. We have neither and your man Obumble can't and won't deliver either. Can Romney, who knows, he hasn't proven he can't as Obama has but I will vote for Johnson and hope Romney beats the crap out of Bunglerbama.

October 23, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

No one knows or will know what Obama knew about Libya and when he knew it except Obama. The only thing to do is to accept what he says as the truth. It is frightening if he did not know of the request for more security and if he believed it was a spontaneous reaction to a video. We have to accept the fact that his intelligence sources and someone in his administration failed to protect and prevent the death of our ambassador and three other Americans, that is an indisputable fact. No one will know the truth before the election then the truth may never see the light of day since Obama will win the election.

October 23, 2012 at 4:13 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "“If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.”

And your point is? That I should vote for a "green" Marxist because the alternative is a big government war hawk?

No thanks. As long as everyone lets themselves be bound to the two party alternatives we will never see any change for the better.

October 23, 2012 at 4:22 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "As long as everyone lets themselves be bound to the two party alternatives we will never see any change for the better."

Could that be due to the perception or the reality that those third party platforms do not include any changes that would be better for most Americans?

Ron Paul couldn't sell it, so he became a Republican and tried to hide his true leanings.

Gary Johnson can't sell it either...not even to those who voted for him as Governor, when he claimed to be a Republican.

Gary Johnson has not rescinded his Republican party affiliation. He's just shifted over to run as a Libertarian.

Kinda dishonest, don'tcha think?

October 23, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
ibshame said...

"ordinaryguy said... What is so funny in the discussion today, is the so-called tolerant, all inclusive, politically correct, and whatever name you choose for the leftist, marxist, obamamaniacs are bashing Mitt for his religious beliefs SHAME SHAME you intolerant idiots"

"rolando said... On the other hand, if the kid was dressed as a muslim radical and kissing her foot [or ring], he would be the spittin' image of The Obama."

Ok it's time to take the gloves off. I haven't seen anyone bashing Mitt Romney for his beliefs as they have for President Obama since the day he walked into the White House. He's been called everything from a Marxist, to a Socialist, to some kind of "homeland operative secret Muslim." This past Sunday the letter BELOW appeared in the Times Free Press about what Mormonism teaches. If wing nut Bible Thumpers can say they have no problem with what's in this letter as Mormonism beliefs and what MITT ROMNEY TAUGHT AS A BISHOP IN THE MORMON CHURCH then they should STFU when it comes to RELIGION and what President Obama believes. No one has really come out and attacked Romney's religious beliefs even though they are not now nor have they ever been MAINSTREAM RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/oct/21/1021f-letters-to-the-editors-chattanooga/?opinionletters

Beliefs taught in Mormonism As a former 30-year Mormon, this is what I was taught and believed:

God was once a man who elevated himself to become a god. 2. Jesus Christ and Satan were my spirit brothers. 3. God, the father, was from the star Kolob. 4. There were an endless number of gods in existence. 5. I was on a path to godhood by following the teachings of Mormonism. 6. God wanted me to make blood oath covenants with him in a Mormon temple to give everything (time, talent, money -- even my life if necessary) to build up the kingdom of God on earth (the Mormon church). 7. Every person on earth had been born in the spirit in "pre-existence" to god the father, and a heavenly mother. 8. Someday when the Constitution of the United States "hung by a thread," the Mormon Priesthood would rise up and save the country with their perfect form of government (using Mormon Priesthood authority). 9. There was a living prophet on earth who receives revelation for the whole world, and speaks for God. 10. Polygamy would be practiced in the next life (an eternal principle from Mormon Scripture -- Doctrine and Covenants 132).

October 23, 2012 at 5:13 p.m.
mymy said...

14 days to go and here's a reminder about the debt that is climbing faster = thanks to Obama.

October 23, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said... BRP wrote: "As long as everyone lets themselves be bound to the two party alternatives we will never see any change for the better."

I agree BRP but we are not likely to see enough Americans brave enough to venture very far from the government tit...

alprova said....

Could that be due to the perception or the reality that those third party platforms do not include any changes that would be better for most Americans?

It is because most Americans respond only to the media and some to the candidate talking points if there is not a ball game on. It is sad how little people understand about the economy and candidates. Can you imagine if liberty and freedom were the goal as in the days of the founders.....The cry of "Give me liberty or give me death" would be more like "give me liberty and kill or tax to death that other fellow so I can have or share his wealth".

alprova also said.....

Ron Paul couldn't sell it, so he became a Republican and tried to hide his true leanings.

Your assertion that Ron Paul ever wavered from or hid his true feelings is a typical untrue party statement. It is a fact the media ignored him in the debates and talk show host did not allow him to talk about his agenda. Journalist labeled him radical and often said his ideas were not mainstream. In spite of the obstacles he surprised them with the support he got. It may have been surprising if he had the money and exposure of bumbling Bama and roaming Romney.

Gary Johnson understands and supports the fair tax proposal but again, people are scared and will not take the time to understand how it would be in their best interest. People would not react when congress mucked around with it.

October 23, 2012 at 6 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

harp3339 said... "we are not likely to see enough Americans brave enough to venture very far from the government tit..."

Agreed. How brave do you have to be to stop voting for the lessor of two evils though? It is stunning how intellectually lazy people are. But that is why democracies fail, and we are functionally a democracy now.

October 23, 2012 at 6:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

alprova said... "Could that be due to the perception or the reality that those third party platforms do not include any changes that would be better for most Americans?"

Yes, I know, you see the democrat party as your best hope of a bigger federal government so it goes without saying that you would not find any value in a platform that promotes freedom and personal responsibility. You are a perfect example of the type of voter that will drag us into decline, voting with your hand out.

October 23, 2012 at 6:37 p.m.
limric said...

So, should we vote for Obama although he moved right (the second after the election, as can be easily checked) although his position and Romney's are extremely similar.

Hmm. Let's think about the uses of campaign rhetoric by the candidates, and what motivates this fresh media-manure eating of the electorate.

Obama must convince relatively left Democrats that he has not completely adopted a Republican platform, and do so against considerable evidence to the contrary--his record of the last four years.

Romney must convince his Republican base that he is not really to the left, and a REAL tea party conservative. This is actually pretty difficult, since he governed to the left of Obama in Massachusetts, a state that is considerably more liberal than the US as a whole and because he doesn't believe in anything.

The most prominent feature in the record of either man seems to be a willingness to sell out any polemic, rhetorical, or idealized position to the highest bidder, (Romney is especially guilty in this regard) and to stand and say any kind of nonsense to get elected.

Both are really a big pussies, but it's Obama that kills and tortures kids and other people, prosecutes journalists, covers for corporate gangsters, blocks ecological measures -- the list goes on and on. Romney has had less opportunity for mayhem, but being a rich vampire capitalist (He’s making millions from the auto bailout) who rolled gays in his youth doesn’t look like any improvement. And, **Romney will (like a true neo-con) to send YOUR sons to war, but not his own.

I dunno. Why was it I should vote for either of these guys? I can see that choosing a slightly less bad candidate for the US of A might help a lot of people, and I do think I should put that before principle. NO!

I just do not see how we establish which goon is least bad. We have seen some very articulate spokespersons with some very good credentials come out for Obama. Daniel Ellsberg or Tom Hayden for instance. Ooh commies!!

But so what? It is really damning that even such authors cannot make a case that Obama is hands above Romney. Only that Romney is much worse. Geeze, what a choice!

The Republican and Democratic candidates make me feel like I’ve been strapped to the front bumper of an old pickup.

**Thank you Ricardo

October 23, 2012 at 6:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said...

Thumbs up limric!

October 23, 2012 at 7:24 p.m.
miraweb said...

BBC did an international survey. Mitt is ahead in one country: Pakistan.

The rest of the world is just not that into Mitt.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/10/23/163473712/if-the-world-picked-u-s-president-obama-would-win-by-a-landslide

October 23, 2012 at 7:44 p.m.
miraweb said...

Came across a nice summary of whether employees can take time off work to vote with a state by state breakdown.

Here is the entry for Tennessee:

Tennessee: Employees who begin their work day less than three hours after polls open and finish less than three hours before polls close are entitled to up to three hours paid leave to vote. Employees must request leave by noon the day before the election. The employer can set the time for leave to vote. Tenn. Code § 2-1-106.

The rest are at:

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=76202c24-88d1-4a88-a361-8c868fc905ef

October 23, 2012 at 8:06 p.m.
miraweb said...

More Misprinted Voter Notices: Ohio

I would get it if all of the cards came out with the wrong information. Typos happen. How is it that just some cards get printed wrong? How is that possible?

Ottawa County voters should double check the calendar before heading out to the polls on Election Day.

The Ottawa County Board of Elections has sent official postcards to about 2,200 voters with Election Day listed as Nov. 8, instead of the actual date of Nov. 6. The board is working to remedy the error by sending out new postcards.

Deputy Director Carol Ann Hill said the cards were sent to about 7 percent of the county's 30,000 registered voters.

In addition to the wrong date being listed, the original cards also listed an incorrect polling place.

http://www.northwestohio.com/news/politics/story.aspx?id=816033#.UIcyb795GxI

October 23, 2012 at 8:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Before you libs get all pointy in the pants, here's some numbers you should know about:

"Despite Obama’s slight edge overall, Romney was seen as better able to handle most issues. The trend was most notable in the CNN poll: he had an 18-point edge among registered voters on the economy (58 percent Romney, 40 percent Obama), a 3-point edge on health care (49 percent Romney, 46 percent Obama), a 7-point edge on taxes (51 percent Romney, 44 percent Obama), and, largest of all, a 23 percent edge on the deficit (59 percent Romney, 36 percent Obama). Obama’s only lead was on foreign policy, where a slim margin of 2 percent of registered voters who watched the debate said he would handle the issue better (49 percent Obama, 47 percent Romney)".

Obama won the debate? But Romney won on all the issues thus far.

"Romney got six runs in the first inning, Obama got one run in the second and one run in the third. Romney wins by four". Ari.

And Obama just gave away Virginia with his "horses and bayonets" remark.

And even with all your liberal news stations fully in the tank for Obama, He is STILL fighting for his political life! Imagine if the media was objective as it was meant to be. Obama would still be a union ball scratcher.

October 23, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.
ricardo said...

We have fewer horses and bayonets.

Romney goes to defense budget school, taught by Professor Obama. LOL

October 23, 2012 at 8:26 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Fake letters aim to intimidate Republican voters in Collier County

http://www.news-press.com/article/20121022/NEWS0107/121022027/0/LIFESTYLES/Fake-letters-aim-intimidate-Republican-voters-Collier-County?odyssey=nav|head

You see mira, you should really look at democrat voter fraud before you go out on a thin branch like that. Liberals are old pros at voter fraud. Just ask acorn.

October 23, 2012 at 8:27 p.m.
miraweb said...

Collier County is a pretty interesting place and I am against voter intimidation in any form from any party.

The Collier County Supervisor of Elections office removed nine people from its voter registration rolls toward the end of last year as a result of an investigation into non-citizen voters. This year, the office removed 26 people, but then reinstated voting rights for 20 of those people. After further consideration of a Department of Homeland Security database, officials determined the ineligibility of those 20 people could not be proven, Durham said.

http://www.news-press.com/article/20121022/NEWS0107/121022027/0/pbcs.dll/Fake-letters-aim-intimidate-Republican-voters-Collier-County?odyssey=nav|head

October 23, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

miraweb said... "The Ottawa County Board of Elections has sent official postcards to about 2,200 voters with Election Day listed as Nov. 8, instead of the actual date of Nov. 6. The board is working to remedy the error by sending out new postcards."

What a tragedy! If you are so uninformed that you don't know what day is election day maybe you shouldn't be voting.

October 23, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
ricardo said...

BigRidgePatriot said..."What a tragedy! If you are so uninformed that you don't know what day is election day maybe you shouldn't be voting."

Agreed. Vote for Gerry Johansen!

October 23, 2012 at 8:41 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Debates deliver favorability edge to Romney; now above 50% in rating

The king continues to fall.

October 23, 2012 at 8:54 p.m.
miraweb said...

I am enjoying (far more than I should) the fact that Romney is would do better in Pakistan than in any of his three home states.

538 has the following odds as of today:

Massachusetts (the townhouse) - 100% chance of Obama win

New Hampshire (the lake house) - 69% chance of Obama win

California (the beach house) - 100% chance of Obama win

Romney could have claimed Utah but he sold his Park City home (the ski house).

Romney also sold his Detroit home and his Belmont mansion after he started his run for president.

538 is predicting a 97.1% chance Michigan will go for Obama.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/zillow/2012/09/06/homes-of-presidential-candidates-mitt-romney-and-barack-obama/

October 23, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
miraweb said...

One thing to watch: Karl Rove never gives up on a past political strategy. There are a lot of guys who can send out fake documents. There is only one Karl Rove.

This was how Rove broke into politics:

In the autumn election season of 1970, a cherubic, bespectacled teenager turned up at the Chicago campaign headquarters of Alan Dixon, a Democrat running for state treasurer in Illinois.

No one paid the newcomer much attention when he arrived, or when he left soon afterwards. Nor did anyone in the office make the connection between the mystery volunteer and 1,000 invitations on campaign stationery that began circulating in Chicago's red-light district and soup kitchens, promising "free beer, free food, girls and a good time for nothing" for all-comers at Dixon's headquarters.

Rove is also credited with inventing push-polling where a "poll taker" calls with a loaded question. One of his first ones in Texas was:

"Would you be more or less likely to vote for Governor Richards if you knew her staff is dominated by lesbians?"

As I said, I am against voter fraud from any source - and definately from all the many, many, many sources that are really Karl Rove.

I suppose his efforts are keeping the Post Office in business. Always a silver lining . . .

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/mar/09/uselections2004.usa1

October 23, 2012 at 9:33 p.m.
degage said...

On a lighter side.

A little boy wanted $100.00 so he wrote a letter to god asking for it . The post office thought it was cute so they sent it to washington DC. Obama was amused and told his secertary to send the boy $5.00.

The little boy was happy to get the $5.00 so he wrote a thankyou note .This is what it said.

Dear God, thank you for the money, For some reason you sent it thru Washington DC and Obama Kept $95.00 of it for taxes.

October 23, 2012 at 9:42 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

“Dear Lord, please deliver us from these crazy Republican politicians:”

“Indiana Treasurer Richard Mourdock became the latest Republican to wander into eyebrow-raising territory when it came to the discussion of rape and abortion during a Senate debate Tuesday night.

Defending his stance that abortion should be illegal even in the case of rape, Mourdock explained that pregnancy resulting from nonconsensual sex is the will of God.

“I’ve struggled with it myself for a long time, but I came to realize that life is that gift from God,” Mourdock said. “And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.”

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/10/richard-mourdock-rape-conception-god-intended.php?ref=fpa

October 23, 2012 at 9:43 p.m.
miraweb said...

Civil rights providing voter education

“We’re expecting a significant amount of confusion and misinformation, so voter education is important,” said Bacalao.

The Spanish-English hotline is 1-866-Our-Vote.

“A big part of what we do is make sure eligible Latino voters can cast their ballot on Election Day,” he added.

Poll workers sometimes need education, too, according to Jeanette Lee, voting staff attorney at the Asian American Justice Center (AAJC). For example, according to Lee, Section 208 of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 gives the right to bring someone with you into the voting booth if you need help with English.

“Many poll workers don’t know that Section 208 applies nationwide,” said Lee. Her group prepared has palm cards in multiple Asian languages to explain this and other legal rights.

AAJC is piloting a limited Asian Election Protection Hotline in Florida and Virginia on Nov. 5 and 6, 1-888-API-Vote.

Native Americans face special challenges, too, according to Derrick Beetso, staff attorney for the National Congress of American Indians.

“A lot of tribal elders still use thumbprints as ID, and 14 percent of the population have no running water or electricity,” said Beetso. Therefore, they do not have utility bills to prove residency in order to get identification.

Beetso’s group is also building relationships with local election officials to adjust identification requirements for Native Americans, and they are recruiting young people to volunteer to go with elders to the polls.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/united-states/groups-educate-voters-remove-potential-voting-blocks-306504.html

October 23, 2012 at 10:07 p.m.
fairmon said...

BRP...We are in agreement of the choices we have and the fact there is a better choice than either offered by the two parties. What gets me about alprova, mountainlaurel and a few others that rave on how we have to help those that can't help themselves is they are really saying "me to" I want more of what those hard working successful people have. The fact is we do not have to have a central government that decides who should receive what and how much. Local governments and those bible toting, cathedral builders need to step up and fulfill their role. The liberals here remind me of a kid being buddies with the kid that has the candy. They will stay buddies until he runs out then they will turn on and bully him.

October 23, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Why am I not surprised that Mitt Romney is stumping for this guy Mourdock who thinks rape is something that God intended to happen?

“For the first time this election, Mitt Romney is starring in a campaign ad on behalf of another Republican candidate.

Romney’s candidate of choice is none other than Richard Mourdock, the Tea Party favorite in a tight race for a Senate seat, who says things like Medicare and Social Security are unconstitutional.

Romney has stumped for Mourdock before, saying “This is a man that I want to see in Washington” to “actually have the votes to get things changed.” He doubles down on his endorsement with the latest ad.”

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/22/1059121/romney-mourdock/

October 23, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said...

BBC did an international survey. Mitt is ahead in one country: Pakistan.

I don't think Romney is below the 12% Obama approval rating in Israel.

Check out some Foreign newspapers if you want an accurate Obama rating. Of course people in those countries don't know Romney. In fact a lot of Americans when ask on the street didn't know who he was either. But, not to worry, they didn't know who Joe Biden was either, I suspect they probably won't vote.

October 23, 2012 at 10:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

ricardo said...

We have fewer horses and bayonets.

Best not to say that to a marine or you may find that bayonet up your rear. That may be just what Obama needs.

October 23, 2012 at 10:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

Sorry - meant to type "civil rights groups . . . " (10:07).

I know we have a "special relationship" with Britain but I'm relatively certain the BBC is a "foreign" news source.

October 23, 2012 at 10:34 p.m.
miraweb said...

Let's be clear on Israel. Romney has Netanyahu's approval. The rest of Israel may be more ambivalent:

Two weeks before the elections, it now turns out that Romney is actually a lovey-dovey peace on earth kind of candidate who agrees with President Barack Obama on just about everything: on Iraq, on Afghanistan, on Egypt, on Syria, on the use of drones against terrorists as well as crippling sanctions against Iran’s nuclear program.

It was a flip flop of breathtaking proportions, to the degree that right wing firebrand Glenn Beck could not contain his dismay, tweeting “I am glad to know that Mitt agree with Obama so much. No, really. Why vote?”

http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/west-of-eden/in-florida-debate-romney-breaks-world-record-in-political-etch-a-sketching.premium-1.471801

If it is Romney who wins, Israeli politicians are fairly confident that they will have an avowed friend in the Oval Office: someone who suggests that whatever Israel decides to do to defend itself is fine with him. Strategists in Israel have cautioned, however, that a new president often is unable in his first year to get the immense military and bureaucracy of the United States to do anything hugely dramatic. As some of them put it: Romney is very friendly, but he might not come through.

http://www.thejewishweek.com/editorial-opinion/opinion/netanyahu-needs-his-own-etch-sketch

October 23, 2012 at 10:50 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Fake letters aim to intimidate Republican voters in Collier County"

I wonder if the date on the letter was the first clue to the fact that it was fake.

It is dated October 18, 3003

October 23, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Fake letters aim to intimidate Republican voters in Collier County"

I wonder if the date on the letter was the first clue to the fact that it was fake.

It is dated October 18, 3003

October 23, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "What gets me about alprova, mountainlaurel and a few others that rave on how we have to help those that can't help themselves is they are really saying "me to" I want more of what those hard working successful people have."

It makes you feel better to put me in that box, doesn't it? You cannot fathom a man of my age and skin color possibly going against the grain and voting for Barack Obama.

Therefore it must be because I am one of those who expects big things from the Government, that I vote for the man.

The fact of the matter is that I spent the day figuring out how much I owed the IRS and the State of Georgia for the past quarter in estimated income taxes. In addition to that, I electronically deposited into the Georgia Department of Revenue, the full amount of Georgia sales taxes that I collected for the month of September. October in my little city, is time to settle up on property taxes and the amount of inventory tax due.

At the end of the day, my business account was about five grand lighter than it was at the beginning of the day.

I don't want, expect, or believe that my vote for a second Presidential term, will result in my receiving a thing from the Government, other than a reduction in the amount that I owe the IRS at the end of this year due to several tax breaks that are targeted to small business people like myself.

I will never, ever feel an ounce of guilt, shame, or regret for believing in taxpayer assistance for those who are indeed unable to fend for themselves, financially.

I pray that you, yourself, do not fall victim to a disabling accident or illness, the loss of a really good job, or any a number of other setbacks in life, that could very well result in your needing the assistance of others, in order for you to survive.

"The fact is we do not have to have a central government that decides who should receive what and how much. Local governments and those bible toting, cathedral builders need to step up and fulfill their role."

Well guess what? That has been tried many times and it has failed, miserably. Local governments have their hands out all the time for Federal funds, and people in need don't like and shouldn't have to subject themselves to a mandatory sermon, in order to receive some assistance.

"The liberals here remind me of a kid being buddies with the kid that has the candy. They will stay buddies until he runs out then they will turn on and bully him."

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean, nor do I begin to understand what you base it upon.

October 23, 2012 at 11:56 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp wrote in response to President Obama's line last night that 'We have fewer horses and bayonets."

"Best not to say that to a marine or you may find that bayonet up your rear. That may be just what Obama needs."

Do you believe that just because a Marine is still issued a weapon with a bayonet attached to it, that the bayonet is the primary use of such a weapon?

Hand to hand combat as a means to wage war against an enemy ended a couple of eons ago. Short of any situation where their weapon runs out of bullets, will a bayonet be used.

I doubt that a bayonet is used in combat situations very much these days, as was the point the President was trying to make. Technology has kinda made them used as often as a buggy whip.

He might have made a better point to have used the words "cannons and horses," but that is neither here nor there at this point.

Bayonets, regardless of whom and how often they are issued to military troops of any description, are not considered to be a primary weapon of defense of offense, and I think you and everyone else who has raised the issue, know that.

October 24, 2012 at 12:11 a.m.
alprova said...

Speaking of Israel, I was thoroughly impressed with the President's response to Mitt's repetition of the thoroughly debunked charge that Obama had went on an apology tour as one of his first acts as President.

*"If we're going to talk about trips that we've taken -- when I was a candidate for office, first trip I took was to visit our troops. And when I went to Israel as a candidate, I didn't take donors. I didn't attend fundraisers. (ouch!!)

"I went to Yad Vashem, the Holocaust museum there, to remind myself the nature of evil and why our bond with Israel will be unbreakable."

"And then I went down to the border towns of Storok, which had experienced missiles raining down from Hamas. And I saw families there who showed me there where missiles had come down near their children's bedrooms. And I was reminded of what that would mean if those were my kids. Which is why as president, we funded an Iron Dome program to stop those missiles."

"So that's how I've used my travels, when I travel to Israel and when I travel to the region. And the -- the central question at this point is going to be: Who is going to be credible to all parties involved?"

October 24, 2012 at 12:42 a.m.
alprova said...

Nobody's been talking about Mitt's refusal to answer a very direct question. I thought it was a very good question, but it was shifted aside by Mitt and thus never answered, by either candidate.

BOB SCHIEFFER: "What if -- what if the prime minister of Israel called you on the phone and said, "Our bombers are on the way. We're going to bomb Iran."...What do you"

ROMNEY: "Bob, let's not go into hypotheticals of that nature. Our relationship with Israel, my relationship with the prime minister of Israel is such that we would not get a call saying our bombers are on the way, or their fighters are on the way. This is the kind of thing that would have been discussed and thoroughly evaluated well before that kind of..."

SCHIEFFER: "So you'd say it just wouldn't happen? OK. Let's see what"

ROMNEY: "But let me -- let me come back -- we can come back. Let's come back to what the president was speaking about, which is what's happening in the world and the president's statement that things are going so well...blah, blah, blah...(he went back to hammering his pre-trained script of talking points)"

October 24, 2012 at 12:59 a.m.
fairmon said...

Nobody's been talking about Mitt's refusal to answer a very direct question. I thought it was a very good question, but it was shifted aside by Mitt and thus never answered, by either candidate.

BOB SCHIEFFER: "What if -- what if the prime minister of Israel called you on the phone and said, "Our bombers are on the way. We're going to bomb Iran."...What do you"

Bob Schaffer knows only a fool anwers a question starting with "what if". What if means it has not happened, the surrounding circumstances and other pertinent facts are not and cannot be known and included...that same question could have been asked in many different ways such as "what if you knew Iran had nuclear weapons and Israel informed you they were going to attack and try to destroy them"?

October 24, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

That has been tried many times and it has failed, miserably. Local governments have their hands out all the time for Federal funds.

Yes they do have their hands out for more borrowed money. Local and state governments abdicate their responsibility and prostitute themselves to the federal government. They will give up almost anything to get a federal grant or assistance. How can it help when we are all taxed by a central government or more is borrowed to spread it around to all of us?

I don't know of a study but I guess those that advocate taxing others to provide welfare may know it will cost them less since they are like Biden and his $300 per year charitable contribution while he advocates higher taxes to help those in need.

October 24, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

It makes you feel better to put me in that box, doesn't it? You cannot fathom a man of my age and skin color possibly going against the grain and voting for Barack Obama.

Let me assure you that age or skin color have nothing to do with why I cannot fathom why anyone, including you, would vote for Obama. I have no doubt he will win so time will tell if my concerns are legitimate. Actually, as often stated, it may not matter since we may not be able to stop the slide.

I don't see either of them being aggressive enough to change our destiny and certainly don't see people willing to make necessary sacrifices to change anything.

Our veiws and opinion of Obama do differ drastically but it does not have anything to do with his ethnicity or yours and I resent your inference that it does. I accept that many will vote for him and others against him for just that reason.

October 24, 2012 at 3:10 p.m.
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