published Saturday, October 27th, 2012

The Suitors

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Obama is full of something but it ain't spinach.

October 27, 2012 at 12:10 a.m.
betamax said...

You're opinions vary differently from mine, insert witty comment here. (There, I did all the work for you, go back to your regularly scheduled life)

October 27, 2012 at 12:18 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

bennett = one trick pony

October 27, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
gremlinone said...

Great stuff as usual, Clay! Keep it coming!

October 27, 2012 at 12:28 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis = quite possibly the world's least interesting man.

October 27, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
miraweb said...

We can solve this, people!

Full of 1948 sensibilities and still more up to date than a couple of our fine senate candidates.

October 27, 2012 at 12:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_ = keyboard loser

October 27, 2012 at 1:16 a.m.
betamax said...

jack, you're slandering people over the internet, setting the gold standard of "keyboard loser" down at the geriatric home.

October 27, 2012 at 1:36 a.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb posted video....

Popeye Cartoon: Olive Oyl for President.

A typical candidate making outlandish promises with no mention of how to pay for them.

October 27, 2012 at 4:05 a.m.
joneses said...

Report: Hillary Clinton Asked For More Security In Benghazi, Obama Said No…

Clinton asked for more security in Benghazi, Obama said no

BY CHRISTOPHER COLLINS

Last night, it was revealed that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton had ordered more security at the U.S. mission in Benghazi before it was attacked where four Americans, including U.S. Ambassador Christopher Stevens were murdered by Al-Qaeda but President Obama denied the request.

The news broke on TheBlazeTV’s “Wilkow!” hosted by Andrew Wilkow, by best-selling author, Ed Klein who said the legal counsel to Clinton had informed him of this information.

Klein also said that those same sources said that former President Bill Clinton has been “urging” his wife [Hillary] to release official State Department documents that prove she called for additional security at the compound in Libya, which would almost certainly result in President Obama losing the election.

Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/hillary-clinton/2012/10/26/report-hillary-asked-more-security-benghazi-obama-said-no#ixzz2AQQudiEK

As the lies continue to be unraveled..................................

CIA operators were denied request for help during Benghazi attack, sources say

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/26/cia-operators-were-denied-request-for-help-during-benghazi-attack-sources-say/#ixzz2AQPhYsPH

Father of Slain SEAL: Who Made the Decision Not to Save My Son?

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/father-slain-seal-who-made-decision-not-save-my-son_657782.html

October 27, 2012 at 7:43 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Bluto Mitt + Neo-Con advisor = George W. Cheney

October 27, 2012 at 8:16 a.m.
degage said...

Bennett again makes a mistake, Obama is the one making all the snide remarks not Romney. Romney is telling it like it is, Obama has made everything worse and the last4 years have been harder because of his agenda. When a party has to resort to sending letters to republicans saying they could go to jail if they vote Its going a bit to far.

October 27, 2012 at 8:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb I like the Popeye video. I had to wonder if Obama can eat enough spinach to overcome and defeat all the liabilities he has accumulated in his short tenure? I hope all the allegations about Benghazi and what he knew when are not true. At some point Hilary will reveal the facts.

I am wondering why Obama wouldn't take Trump's money? Meet him on one of the popular talk shows, tell Trump to have the check with him and he will give him the documents specified and tell him who to make the check out to. He could really chap Trump's rear by having him make it out to the U.S. Treasury which has essentially become a non-profit charity.

October 27, 2012 at 8:35 a.m.
jesse said...

Must be a LAME toon! Only headbangin poster on here so far is tQ! Hey Harp!Do you ever get tired of trying to talking sense to idjits!

October 27, 2012 at 8:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

Anyone have any idea what the future and unfunded federal government pension liabilities are? It would not be a surprise to learn it is likely to have the same impact experienced by some cities in California. The pensions provided to the millions of employees are very liberal.

October 27, 2012 at 8:48 a.m.
fairmon said...

jesse said...

Hey Harp!Do you ever get tired of trying to talking sense to idjits!

You never know when the lights may come on. It is evident many just seek articles or statements that re-enforce what they had already concluded or wanted to believe. All else they reject as not accurate or reliable. The fact their opinion may be wrong is unthinkable to them.

October 27, 2012 at 9 a.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse and harp belong to a mutual admiration society which is really neat, in that one of them 'Romneys' back and forth, blurting out incongruous statements, while the other painstakingly pretends not to have an agenda. They are the Odd Couple! jesse with his suspenders and backwards ballcap, and harp stabbing a cigar butt disdainfully with his umbrella!

October 27, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

iddy biddy noogies: I would say meth is more down your alley. would you like to try again?

Beta: example?

October 27, 2012 at 9:29 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Biden Accuses Romney-Ryan of $500 TRILLION TAX CUT!

Another big lie from the Obama camp. This is more proof that Biden is Obama's insurance policy against assassination.

October 27, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jackie_Blue! If Chattanooga Gas knew of your untapped reserves they'd put in a bid to frack your a$$.

October 27, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
alprova said...

Of course, people are going to continue to believe what they wish, but to put stock in anything Ed Klein says on Blaze TV, given the sheer number of people who have discredited the man in the past for making crap up, is akin to believing that Santa will be comin' down the chimney this coming December 25th.

http://thinkprogress.org/media/2012/05/12/483210/edward-klein-obama-book/

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/05/13/even-fox-guests-say-ed-klein-isnt-credible-so-w/184881

October 27, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
Walden said...

'fraid ya got yer hats on the wrong heads ToonStooge.

October 27, 2012 at 9:40 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Is Obama's 'firewall' crumbling? Romney draws level with President in 'safe state' of Wisconsin

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2223657/Is-Obamas-firewall-crumbling-Romney-draws-level-President-safe-state-Wisconsin.html#ixzz2AVTB0p8x

DAAMMNN!!

October 27, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

Obama may be better served if Biden were locked up and isolated until after the vote. Let's hope Obama,s security and health are excellent. Can you imagine the nightmare of Biden becoming POTUS?

October 27, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
mymy said...

Obama is no Popeye!!!

10 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security here/abroad and the growing debt.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Romney/Ryan 2012

October 27, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

joneses 7:43: Good points. But they will be buried on p.12 next to garden club news in print media. Network news will ignore completely.

October 27, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Chrissy Matthews now declares the phrase "shuck and jive" to be a racist comment. There's no end to this asssholes racism

October 27, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
tderng said...

The one thing that I noticed in this toon is that America (Olyve Oyl)has pushed aside the Democrat(Popeye) and is gazing into the eyes of the Republican(Bluto).GOOD JOB ACCURATELY DEPICTING THE CURRENT TREND IN THE POLLS CLAY!!!!ROFLMFAO

October 27, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
jesse said...

Dude, that is so funny i gotta think you had help on it! No way you came up w/that on your own!!

October 27, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama's no Popeye for sure. But I DO think he smokes a pipe.

October 27, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 says: "I hope all the allegations about Benghazi and what he knew when are not true. At some point Hilary will reveal the facts."

I think you sound more like a man who misses those old knee jerking days of the Bush/Cheney administration - those reckless days when the President and his staff called press conferences to embellish and pass along every little alleged “intelligence” rumor to the public.

Well, thanks but no thanks, Harp3339. I prefer an Obama/Biden administration, which conducts itself in a more cautious, responsible and professional manner. . . Indeed, I’m glad those reckless knee-jerking days of the Bush administration are gone:

“Intelligence leaves no doubt that Iraq continues to possess and conceal lethal weapons.” [George Bush, 18 March, 2003]

“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.” [Dick Cheney,
August 26, 2002]

“Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.” [George Bush, 
September 12, 2002]

“We know for a fact that there are weapons there.” [Ari Fleischer, Jan 9, 2003]

“We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.” [George Bush February 8, 2003]

“Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.” [Ari Fleisher, 
March 21, 2003]

“One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.” [Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark, March 22, 2003]

“We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.” [Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003]

“Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.” [Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
, 
April 9, 2003]

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4882.htm

October 27, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
miraweb said...

I like the two headed Romney that shows up in the Popeye video. The Congress hasn't changed much.

October 27, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
jesse said...

Dude's on a roll! his post on frakin jacks azz might be the funniest thing i ever seen on here!

October 27, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Halloween costume: Wear a re-elect Obama button and go as a journalist. -Jay Leno

October 27, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
miraweb said...

With the storm I could get an umbrella and go as Mary Poppins. Off to buy batteries.

October 27, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Maybe mountainoyster will remember these as well:

[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.” — [From a letter signed by Joe Lieberman, Dianne Feinstein, Barbara A. Milulski, Tom Daschle, & John Kerry among others on October 9, 1998]

“Saddam’s goal … is to achieve the lifting of U.N. sanctions while retaining and enhancing Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction programs. We cannot, we must not and we will not let him succeed.” — [Madeline Albright, 1998]

"Iraq made commitments after the Gulf War to completely dismantle all weapons of mass destruction, and unfortunately, Iraq has not lived up to its agreement.” — [Barbara Boxer, November 8, 2002]

“I will be voting to give the president of the United States the authority to use force – if necessary – to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.” — [John F. Kerry, Oct 2002]

“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” — [Ted Kennedy, September 27, 2002]

“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction.” — [Bob Graham, December 2002]

I share the administration’s goals in dealing with Iraq and its weapons of mass destruction.” — [Dick Gephardt in September of 2002]

“I am absolutely convinced that there are weapons…I saw evidence back in 1998 when we would see the inspectors being barred from gaining entry into a warehouse for three hours with trucks rolling up and then moving those trucks out.” — [Clinton’s Secretary of Defense William Cohen in April of 2003]

AND..let us not forget Hillary..: "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -- [Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002]

October 27, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

mira, PLEASE tell us the batteries are for a flashlight!

October 27, 2012 at 10:19 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Toes: They were duped.

October 27, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

How could the "smartest people in Washington" possibly be duped? How could dumb ol' Bush and Cheney possibly pull one over like that on these brainiac liberals?

They got some splainin' to do.

October 27, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
miraweb said...

Easy Toes. Sometimes a battery is just a battery.

The upside is no campaign ads while the power is out. Hooray!!!

October 27, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
Cactus said...

Obama not only leads the country from his behind, but campaigns from his behind as well.

October 27, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

tu_: The "investigation" should conclude on, oh about, Nov. 7.

October 27, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
miraweb said...

Actually there are two arrests in Libya now. A third suspect died in a firefight with police.

That means a lot more to me than hand flapping about a 'political scandal.'

October 27, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

So many real issues to avoid, Popeye?

October 27, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

TOES02800 said: "Maybe mountainoyster will remember these as well:"

Yes, indeed, I do, TOES02800. . . I also remember the con artist who inspired his staff to create the “big lie” campaign. . . Do you recall this guy too?. . . As I recall, he owned a ranch in Texas and began plotting 10 days after he got into the White House:

“The Bush administration began planning to use U.S. troops to invade Iraq within days after the former Texas governor entered the White House three years ago, former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill told CBS News' 60 Minutes.

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," O'Neill told CBS, according to excerpts released Saturday by the network. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

O'Neill, who served nearly two years in Bush's Cabinet, was asked to resign by the White House in December 2002 over differences he had with the president's tax cuts.

O'Neill was the main source for "The Price of Loyalty: George W. Bush, the White House, and the Education of Paul O'Neill," by former Wall Street Journal reporter Ron Suskind. . .

Suskind said O'Neill and other White House insiders gave him documents showing that in early 2001 the administration was already considering the use of force to oust Saddam, as well as planning for the aftermath.

"There are memos," Suskind told the network. "One of them marked 'secret' says 'Plan for Post-Saddam Iraq.'"

Suskind cited a Pentagon document titled "Foreign Suitors For Iraqi Oilfield Contracts," which, he said, outlines areas of oil exploration. "It talks about contractors around the world from ... 30, 40 countries and which ones have what intentions on oil in Iraq."

In the book, O'Neill is quoted as saying he was surprised that no one in a National Security Council meeting asked why Iraq should be invaded.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" O'Neill said. . . ”

http://articles.cnn.com/2004-01-10/politics/oneill.bush_1_roomful-of-deaf-people-education-of-paul-o-neill-national-security-council-meeting?_s=PM:ALLPOLITICS

October 27, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
miraweb said...

Daily Show did a nice side by side of the success of green energy companies vs Romney's picks. Turns out 8% of the green energy companies didn't make it vs 22% of Romney's investments.

October 27, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Newsflash from planet Janet:

For DHS, Cybersecurity Education Begins in Kindergarten

So much for letting kids be kids.

October 27, 2012 at 10:53 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

mira, so what? Romney's picks came from private investor money. These people knew the risk when they took it.

Obama's picks, on the other hand, were given taxpayer money with the investors (the taxpayers) having no say in their (our) "investments".

By the way, an 88% success rate in the world of business is actually, shall I say, "stellar"!

October 27, 2012 at 10:59 a.m.
axleblaze said...

"Going negative is the sign of a desperate campaign" said the people posting article after article desperately trying to tear down Obama and none talking about their own candidate.

October 27, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

WOW!! mountainoyster thinks a book by a fired Secretary of state with an ax to grind is gospel!

Then why didn't the democrats have charges brought against Bush and Cheney for these alleged falsified documents and intelligence reports? They HAVE held both houses of congress since then. I know if I were a congressman, and somebody duped me into voting for a war, I'd be one pissed off congressman hell bent on arresting and prosecuting these guys.

October 27, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said....

Yes, indeed, I do, TOES02800. . . I also remember the con artist who inspired his staff to create the “big lie” campaign.

ml, surely you don't think those people quoted could be duped by anyone has dumb as you and others accuse him of being. Believing that may mean you are as gullible as you are convinced they were.

I don't think there was reason to go into Iraq when we did. One ridiculous military reason given was the need to go in before the summer sand storms. The supporters were getting the same info that Bush was getting not from him. Saddam said America will win the initial battles but Americans aren't patient enough and cannot stomach what will follow for years. I think his quick token execution instead of continuing to get information from him was a mistake.

October 27, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

I wonder....Is it possible Obama can see how well Bill Clinton is doing with his speaking engagements and book deals and would not mind losing to get in on that gold mine. He would get a library named after him and a nice pension, health care and security personnel to go along with his already outstanding monthly income. I suspect there may be a mental battle between his ego and sub-conscious mind that his ego will win.

October 27, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
fairmon said...

The Quote of the Decade:

"The fact that we are here today to debate raising America's debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the US Government cannot pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government's reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America 's debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that, "the buck stops here..' Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better."

~ Senator Barack H. Obama, March 2006

Is this quote correctly attributed or is it another attempt to tell it like it isn't?

October 27, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.

What many people don't know is that Olive Oyl's original boyfriend was neither Popeye or Bluto.

It was Harold Hamgravy.

However, I think Rommey is more like Wimpy who wants a Hamburger (Tax Cuts and more spending!) for a payment on Tuesday, which he presumes will be sustained by miraculous levels of growth.

And yet he chides Obama for the deficit?

October 27, 2012 at 11:54 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MIRA: Yeah, we can count on the Libyans to dispense justice.

Lena Dunham: Further evidence of the decline in the culture.

October 27, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
miraweb said...

harp - Snopes does have a page on that quote. It is the first and last paragraph of a longer speech explaining why Obama voted against raising the debt ceiling for Bush's follies.

Obama did not support raising the debt limit in 2010 though there was pressure from his own party. He did when the Congress began playing with a U.S. default in 2011.

The speech is one any good Republican would love.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82937.html?hp=r2

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/debtlimit.asp

October 27, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
miraweb said...

Jack - try and remember that the Libyans were the ones who drove the extremists out of Benghazi after the attack. Do keep up, darling.

October 27, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.
EaTn said...

Ganging-up on the ladies this morning like a pack of dogs? The ladies have equal voting rights which I anticipate will not necessarily mirror their hubbies but will be used wisely for their advantage.

October 27, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
miraweb said...

In fact, we ladies are the majority in this fine country.

155.6 million to 151.4 million

October 27, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama opposed raising the debt ceiling in 2006 while Bush was in office. But in 2010 he miraculously pushed for it. What a turn around!! Another flip-flop? Yes indeed.

mira needs to re-read the last paragraph of her own snopes link. Obama did a 180 on the debt ceiling. Indeed, another flip-flop.

October 27, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

harp3339 said... "I wonder....Is it possible Obama can see how well Bill Clinton is doing with his speaking engagements and book deals and would not mind losing to get in on that gold mine."

Are you saying he's lazy, harp? So, you believe the most powerful man on the planet just wants to cash it all in and go fishin'? Now I see that light you were bragging to jesse about. You're hunched over your computer all day and you're suggesting the President may not have the initiative to truly want another term? You might need to sniff some clue.

October 27, 2012 at 12:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

According to the democrat mind-set, women only care about their collective vagina's. It's the democrats who think women are just too stupid to care about the economy and foreign policy. It's all about "birth-control" and their "first time". Just as they classify all blacks as "poor" and are only cognizant of welfare and food stamps. And all Latino's care about is amnesty for their supposed illegal brothers etc..............

October 27, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
hambone said...

Move along, nothing but lieing TROLLS here today !!

October 27, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
dude_abides said...

toes, your every post is wasted. We locals bathe in the Koolaid. You should move to a battleground state where you could make a difference! I'll buy you a bicycle and a backpack.

October 27, 2012 at 12:45 p.m.
TOES02800 said...
October 27, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

TOES02800 says: “WOW!! mountainoyster thinks a book by a fired Secretary of state with an ax to grind is gospel!”

And all of the other books,TOES02800? There have been lots of books talking about the Bush/Cheney administration’s big lie. To name just a few: Craig Unger: The Fall of the House of Bush: How a Band of True Believers Seized the Executive Branch, Started the Iraq War and Still Imperil America; Michael Isikoff's book Hubris; Robert Draper's Dead Certain: The Presidency of George W. Bush; Barton Gellman’s Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency.

TOES02800 says: “Then why didn't the democrats have charges brought against Bush and Cheney for these alleged falsified documents and intelligence reports?”

And the Republicans? . . . Lets not forget the lies that Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s new pal Dick Cheney told to those high ranking congressional leaders:

A GOP congressional leader who was wavering on giving President Bush the authority to wage war in late 2002 said Vice President Cheney misled him by saying that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had direct personal ties to al-Qaeda terrorists and was making rapid progress toward a suitcase nuclear weapon, according to a new book by Washington Post investigative reporter Barton Gellman.

Cheney's assertions, described by former House majority leader Richard K. Armey (Tex.), came in a highly classified one-on-one briefing in Room H-208, the vice president's hideaway office in the Capitol. The threat Cheney described went far beyond public statements that have been criticized for relying on "cherry-picked" intelligence of unknown reliability. There was no intelligence to support the vice president's private assertions, Gellman reports, and they "crossed so far beyond the known universe of fact that they were simply without foundation."

Cheney said, according to Armey, that Iraq's "ability to miniaturize weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear," had been "substantially refined since the first Gulf War," and would soon result in "packages that could be moved even by ground personnel." Cheney linked that threat to Hussein's alleged ties to al-Qaeda, Armey said, explaining that "we now know they have the ability to develop these weapons in a very portable fashion, and they have a delivery system in their relationship with organizations such as al-Qaeda."

"Did Dick Cheney . . . purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" Armey said. "I seriously feel that may be the case. . . . Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-

October 27, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

duped_again said: blah blah blah blah...again. I think you should move out of mommy's fruitcake cellar and start passing out the "I VOTED FOR BARACK, OBAMA" cards before it's too late.

October 27, 2012 at 12:53 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Books from angry liberals.

Craig Unger-- liberal Vanity Fair writer= ax to grind

Micheal Isikoff-- liberal Newsweek writer and Huffington and Puffington post blogger= ax to grind

Robert Draper-- Bloviating liberal grandson of a Watergate prosecutor. And another liberal Huff Puff post enabler.= ax to grind

Barton Gellman-- liberal former Wa/Po writer with more liberal axes to grind than Paul Bunyon.

Every single one of them liberal to the core and haters of republicans. Especially the Bush family.

Credibility= zero.

October 27, 2012 at 1:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Mountainoyster STILL didn't answer my question. Why didn't the democrat controlled house and senate file charges against Bush and Cheney? Hell, they even had Obama at the helm! What about Pelosi, Kerry, Graham and the rest of these so called "duped" democrats? Why haven't THEY filed charges? Man, with a conspiracy as massive as what you propose, SURELY there would be slip-ups somewhere!

October 27, 2012 at 1:43 p.m.
tipper said...

Wow! You all are so mean, and so irrelevant. Your spleens have to be empty by now. Gotta be scrapin' the dregs on trash talk to make it through for another 10 days.

October 27, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

REPUBLICANS ARE INTOXICATED

In 2001, George W. Bush inherited a strong economy, a budget surplus, and a nation at peace. Then he passed massive tax cuts, took us to war and passed an unfunded multi-billion dollar Medicare prescription drug benefit. After two terms in office there were about 1 million more Americans employed than the day he took office.

In 2009, Obama inherited a shattered economy, a $1.4 trillion annual deficit, two stupid wars, hundreds of thousands of workers losing their jobs monthly, and GDP SHRINKING10%. Obama saved us from another Great Depression, saved GM, reformed healthcare, reformed Wall Street, doubled the stock market, created 12 straight quarters of GDP growth, created over 5 million private sector jobs (thanks to 32 straight months of private sector job growth,) got Bin Laden and got us out of Iraq.

Today, the budget deficit is DOWN $3 billion annually. He’s the first president since Bill Clinton to actually reduce the deficit. With automatic spending cuts kicking in and the death of the Bush era tax cuts, Obama will solve the deficit problem, too. Romney thinks we can balance the federal deficit by cutting taxes $5 Trillion and spending another $ 2 Trillion on the military.

If you believe that’s a winning formula take a remedial course in arithmetic, stop snorting trickle down faerie dust and stop chugging supply side Kool-Aid. George W. Bush promised that formula would balance the federal budget. So did Reagan. They both lied the same way Mitt is lying right now.

If you are going to vote for Romney that’s your business, but please stop to trying to prove that he’s got a plan to put America back to work or balance the budget.

Mitt Romney; Think of him as George Bush getting a third term.

October 27, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

Mitt Feels Your Poverty . . .(but doesn't get cameras)

Mitt: October 16, 2012

But let me mention another thing. And that is parents. We need moms and dads, helping to raise kids. Wherever possible the—the benefit of having two parents in the home, and that's not always possible. A lot of great single moms, single dads. But gosh to tell our kids that before they have babies, they ought to think about getting married to someone, that's a great idea.

Mitt: October 27, 2012

In emotional terms during a stop in Pensacola, he expressed his connection to the economically disadvantaged.

``I think of single moms today who are scrimping and saving to have a good meal on the table,’’ Romney said.

He followed that up with an image of couples deciding not to exchange Christmas gifts, so that their children could have something under the tree.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/10/17/romney_on_gun_control_at_the_presidential_debate_ladies_please_stop_having.html

http://bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2012/10/27/mitt-romney-cites-his-concern-for-single-moms-florida-president-obama-stumps/BL9SPnCefgQqlsQSbSKzuJ/story.html

October 27, 2012 at 2:39 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama reelected would be like Carter getting HIS third term. Only worse.

October 27, 2012 at 2:45 p.m.
degage said...

Not all women are stupid as the dems want you to believe. Not all women are only interested in birth control and where to get an abortion when they are irresponcible, some of us do have a mind a bit higher up than our reproductive parts. We bought our own birth control and never ask the Gov to take care of us. The younger generation thinks the gov is there to take care of them because they have been programed to think that way. sorry state of affairs.

October 27, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
miraweb said...

All in the Family - Friends of Romney Making Millions on Campaign

Two companies that Romney finance chair Spencer Zwick controls — SJZ and VG — have together been paid more than $22 million, which the campaign reported as payments for fundraising consulting.

VG, which stands for Victory Group 2012, was incorporated in April, the same month Romney secured the Republican presidential nomination. The company was registered by a corporate services agent, but campaign officials confirmed it belongs to Zwick. SJZ dates to 2005.

American Rambler, the company of top media strategists Stuart Stevens, Russ Schriefer and Eric Fehrnstrom, has been paid $23.6 million for services, including more than $6 million for strategy consulting and nearly $2.4 million for communication consulting.

The firm has also received $130 million to buy media time.

Three staff-run firms share an address.

American Rambler, which was registered in May 2011, is located in a suburban office building about 20 miles north of Romney's Boston headquarters.

Also there are two firms run by the campaign's chief financial officer, Bradley Crate: Red Curve Solutions, a financial management firm that the campaign has paid nearly $1.4 million for compliance consulting, and Easterly Capital, a private equity firm that has received almost $1.5 million for the use of its corporate jet.

"Romney clearly made a decision after the 2008 campaign to put together a smaller and more cohesive brain trust," said Dan Schnur, a veteran GOP political strategist who now directs the Jesse M. Unruh Institute of Politics at USC. "The risk is that you may shut yourself off to outside perspective. But if you have a small group that you trust, it makes sense."

Mark Kennedy, a former GOP congressman from Minnesota who directs the George Washington University School of Political Management, noted that campaigns doing business with firms owned by senior staff must have safeguards to ensure that the candidate's best interests are being served.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-campaign-payday-20121027,0,6084625.story

October 27, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
miraweb said...

I'd love to know if Mitt sits on the boards or is a major investor for any (or all) of those 'Friends of Romney' firms.

October 27, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I am deeply afraid of where both the democrats and republicans are taking this country. Now a presidential "kill list" is so "accepted" that you cannot even question it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=o6GQr8m5cOY#!

October 27, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
miraweb said...

Two Massachusetts Mayors Speak Out on Romney's Governorship

Romney, a Republican, has made two local stops during his 2008 presidential run, both after his term as governor was at an end. Melrose Mayor Rob Dolan and former North Adams Mayor John Barrett III told The Hawk Eye that in Romney's four years as their governor, he never came to their towns.

Barrett noted his community was the poorest in the Massachusetts commonwealth, and Dolan's community is five miles outside Boston.

"He didn't understand, because he didn't visit the communities of Massachusetts. He didn't go to our schools. He didn't go into our cultural institutions.

"He really was an empty suit, and it was all about running for president of the United States. And that's the message we're trying to get out: Don't buy into this guy's malarkey."

Dolan said when Romney started his national campaign, he was less engaged in the day-to-day work of helping get Massachusetts out of the recession.

"I think that speaks to his character, and I think that speaks to his work ethic and what he values, and I think he values his own success and ambition more than he valued the responsibilities of the office he held, which was a sacred oath to the people of Melrose," Dolan said.

http://www.thehawkeye.com/story/Obama-MA-mayors-102712

October 27, 2012 at 3:08 p.m.
miraweb said...

Chrysler Fact Checks Romney Jeep Story

Republican presidential hopeful Mitt Romney told a rally in northern Ohio on Thursday night that Chrysler was considering moving production of its Jeep vehicles to China, apparently reacting to incorrect reports circulating online.

"I saw a story today that one of the great manufacturers in this state Jeep — now owned by the Italians — is thinking of moving all production to China," Romney said at a rally in Defiance, Ohio, home to a General Motors powertrain plant. "I will fight for every good job in America. I'm going to fight to make sure trade is fair, and if it's fair America will win."

Romney was apparently responding to . . . a recent Bloomberg News story earlier this week that said Chrysler, owned by Italian automaker Fiat SpA, is thinking of building Jeeps in China for sale in the Chinese market. The Bloomberg story, though accurate, "has given birth to a number of stories making readers believe that Chrysler plans to shift all Jeep production to China from North America, and therefore idle assembly lines and U.S. work force. It is a leap that would be difficult even for professional circus acrobats," Chrysler spokesman Gualberto Ranieri said.

"Let's set the record straight: Jeep has no intention of shifting production of its Jeep models out of North America to China. It's simply reviewing the opportunities to return Jeep output to China for the world's largest auto market. U.S. Jeep assembly lines will continue to stay in operation."

http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20121026/POLITICS01/210260402/1121/AUTO01/Romney--Chrysler-may-move-Jeep-production-to-China

October 27, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ohio: Where Faux-mentum Goes To Die


The shift is substantial enough that the National Review Online just put up a spin piece to explain why having all the Ohio polls running against your candidate doesn't matter. Good luck on that one.


Both sides acknowledge that Obama has a larger campaign organization on the ground in most states, and that Democrats have an edge in the push to get supporters to the polls early in many of the most competitive states.

Obama's campaign is confident about Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and Wisconsin; the race looks tighter in Colorado, Virginia and Florida. Democrats also voiced confidence in New Hampshire, though there is little early voting in the state, making it harder to gauge now.

While Romney and Obama are deadlocked in national polls, there were signs that the burst of momentum Romney got from the debates had waned in Ohio, Virginia and elsewhere.

Because Obama starts with more states and votes solidly in his expected win column, Romney's team has fewer ways to reach the 270 electoral votes.

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/176108231.html

October 27, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira, yeah and it was the Libyans that let the "protestors" in. Keep up, little lady.

October 27, 2012 at 4:18 p.m.
ricardo said...

Jack_Dennis said..."Mira, yeah and it was the Libyans that let the "protestors" in."

That's like saying that Americans let Muslim tourists onto airplanes on the morning of 9/11. Don't be an idiot.

October 27, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ricardo: You're the idiot, loser. Ask the families of the Lockerbie disaster about Libyans. You dolt.

October 27, 2012 at 8:07 p.m.
miraweb said...

You mean Muamar Gaddafi? The guy the Libyans deposed, shot, and then buried?

That guy?

All Libyans are not Gaddafi any more than all Americans are Unabombers.

October 27, 2012 at 8:16 p.m.
degage said...

I think easy123 and happywiththenewbulbs have gone to Ohio to vote there and then come back and vote in tenn. They haven't been here for awhile.

October 27, 2012 at 8:47 p.m.
GameOn said...

Funny Liberals. Obama Supporters Actually Hate Obama's Policies

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=Skw-0jv9kts&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DSkw-0jv9kts

October 27, 2012 at 8:57 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL A REPUBLICAN

Toes couldn’t argue with one point I made, so he muttered that Obama’s reelection would be like Carter getting a third term.

So, Toes, I’m glad you agree that trickle down supply side economics is a con responsible for the massive federal budget. Bully for you.

You further agree that Reagan, George W., and Mitt W. Romney are liars, that Obama was elected when the United States economy was in a nose dive but managed to not only prevent the crash but has the economy gaining altitude.

Double bully for you. You were only wrong on the one thing: Carter didn’t serve two terms.

Is math another one of those scientific studies republicans abhor, like evolution?

You can always tell a republican but you can’t tell him much.

October 27, 2012 at 9:47 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

YOU CAN ALWAYS TELL A REPUBLICAN, Part II

GameOn wrote, "Funny Liberals. Obama Supporters Actually Hate Obama's Policies."

That's because Obama is NOT a liberal. He's not a socialist, either, or a muslim, or a Kenyan anti-colonial marxist, or a terrorist. He's actually a left leaning centrist. That's why liberals are furious with him.

You know, the same way tea baggers hate Mitt the (current) Moderate. To secure the GOP nomination, however, Romney had to flip-flop on practically every issue he had ever muttered an opinion. He had to con the tea baggers and pretend to be severely conservative, when he secretly had no particular political philosophy. He's driven primarily by ambition.

That's why he so easily tells every group he addresses exactly what they want to hear, and why his campaign has to continually refute his statements within hours of him making them. He's a salesman. He says whatever he must to seal the deal.

Jon Huntsman called him a well lubricated weather vane.

Sounds about right.

But no, Obama is not a liberal.

Sorry to burst your bubble.

October 27, 2012 at 10:06 p.m.
jesse said...

Actually what Obama is is a failure! Maybe the biggest since Carter! That said he is not as dangerous as Romney,which is why i will vote for him BUT i ain't real happy w/my options this time around! What i wish we had is a Chuck Hagel type running ,then i would feel a lot better about things!

October 27, 2012 at 10:24 p.m.
GameOn said...

The Des Moines Register, the left-of-center and most influential newspaper in Iowa that endorsed President Barack Obama in 2008, endorsed Mitt Romney on Saturday. The Register alled the Republican the "stronger candidate" who could "forge compromise" to pull America's economy "out of the doldrums."

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/10/27/IOWA-SHOCKER-Liberal-Des-Moines-Register-Endorses-Romney-First-Republican-Endorsement-In-30-Years

October 27, 2012 at 10:32 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

TOES02800 said: “Mountainoyster STILL didn't answer my question. Why didn't the democrat controlled house and senate file charges against Bush and Cheney? Hell, they even had Obama at the helm!”

I suspect the main reason reflected the disastrous economic crisis that Bush and Cheney had left behind when they left the White House. Don’t you, TOES02800? I also recall that President Obama had made it clear that he wanted to move forward not backwards. Prior to his election, several attempts were made to impeach George W Bush and Dick Cheney. I recall one of those attempts being referred to the House Committee on the Judiciary where no one was allowed to present any evidence at the hearing. It became a ludicrous scenaro rather quickly. I particularly recall GOP Rep. Lamar Smith mocking the proceedings and comparing them to an earlier hearing involving former Bush spokesman Scott McClellan, whom Smith compared to Judas.

TOES02800 said: “Books from angry liberals. Credibility= zero.”

You sound like Goldilocks. . . "This porridge is too hot!" . . . "This porridge is too cold!” . . . Well, Toes02800, what about GOP Richard Armey’s concern? Was it too hot or too cold?

A GOP congressional leader who was wavering on giving President Bush the authority to wage war in late 2002 said Vice President Cheney misled him by saying that Iraqi President Saddam Hussein had direct personal ties to al-Qaeda terrorists and was making rapid progress toward a suitcase nuclear weapon…”

Cheney's assertions, described by former House majority leader Richard K. Armey (Tex.), came in a highly classified one-on-one briefing in Room H-208, the vice president's hideaway office in the Capitol.…"

Cheney said, according to Armey, that Iraq's "ability to miniaturize weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear," had been "substantially refined since the first Gulf War," and would soon result in "packages that could be moved even by ground personnel." Cheney linked that threat to Hussein's alleged ties to al-Qaeda, Armey said, explaining that "we now know they have the ability to develop these weapons in a very portable fashion, and they have a delivery system in their relationship with organizations such as al-Qaeda."

"Did Dick Cheney . . . purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" Armey said. "I seriously feel that may be the case. . . . Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/15/AR2008091503064_pf.html

October 28, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
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