published Sunday, September 9th, 2012

The Polygraph

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

As if Democrats ever told the truth. Of course, Biden might have an excuse. He really believes the idiotic gaffes that spew forth from his mouth.

September 9, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.
miraweb said...

I heard Ryan has gone to Oregan to polish up his "brass" for the debates.

September 9, 2012 at 12:08 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Outstanding. The Swift Boat Navy rides again.

September 9, 2012 at 12:09 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

I'll shut Gitmo...cut the deficit in half...enforce the laws...heal the planet...read my lips!

September 9, 2012 at 12:13 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

debbie wasserman schultz

September 9, 2012 at 12:21 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

DON'T BELIEVE CLAY

Believe the guy from the Romney campaign who said they weren't going to let facts get in the way of persuasive TV advertising. Focus groups don't rate ads truthfulness. They rate effectiveness.

But it's nothing new from the republican party. These are the wonderful folks who brought you 'death panels,' 'where's the birth certificate?', and 'our most important legislative agenda is destroying the president.' To hell with the economy.

Can't really blame the republicans. Romney can't run for president by promising to raise taxes on the middle class or criminalizing abortion.

September 9, 2012 at 12:22 a.m.
alprova said...

Andrew, with all the respect that you do not deserve, you seem to be incapable of sticking to the truth.

He had every intention of closing Gitmo, but was over-ruled on that one. He had every intention of cutting the deficit too, but like everyone else at the time, he underestimated the scope and depth of the economy. Sue him. Most of the economy experts had it all wrong too.

I suppose you disagree with his stance on illegal immigration. Gee...what a surprise. And you people wonder why Republicans can't convince Hispanics to vote for them.

Barack Obama never promised to "heal the planet" or ever uttered the words, "read my lips."

Mr. Bennett, you nailed this one with a ten pound sledge hammer.

September 9, 2012 at 12:27 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo, you are such a suck up. Who over-ruled the Messiah on Gitmo? that's just silly. What IS his stance on illegal immigration? (other than to ignore it) Being verbose does not make you smart, Alp....And Bennett is a small market hack.

September 9, 2012 at 12:32 a.m.
miraweb said...

Ya know, Jack - there aren't any prizes for photoshopping your blog icon. Clay has a much bigger audience than you know:

http://www.wpmediaservices.com/bennett.htm

September 9, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

^^ Yes, if you don't bow down you're a racist.

September 9, 2012 at 12:50 a.m.
miraweb said...

At least we know what Ryan's lucky numbers are:

04:01:25

http://www.paulryantimecalculator.com/

September 9, 2012 at 12:57 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

all about race, eh noogs? only skinheads and leftists are preoccupied with race.

September 9, 2012 at 1:46 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Alpo, you are such a suck up."

What exactly is that? You see, I haven't heard or read that expression since I was in elementary school.

"Who over-ruled the Messiah on Gitmo? that's just silly."

Congress. He had scant support from Congressional Democrats for one simple reason. The prisoners would have to be imported to somewhere in the lower 48 states, where they would have to remain for life. Deporting them would be virtually impossible. No airline would allow them to fly, and no country would allow them to enter their borders when they landed.

"What IS his stance on illegal immigration? (other than to ignore it)"

Fact: Deportation of illegal immigrants since Obama has been President is at an all time high.

" Being verbose does not make you smart, Alp...."

Your one-liners aren't proving you to be a member of Mensa either.

"And Bennett is a small market hack."

And you're such a pathetic, small man.

September 9, 2012 at 2:11 a.m.
EaTn said...

I'm not a toon hunter and not sure if this toon is totally original, but I think it is one of the most unique truth-ism toons I've seen. How can the presidential duo Romney/Ryan claim to be squeaky clean and spout family values then run on a such a deceptive platform?

Obama needs to stay the course--explain that he did not get all done he'd hoped in four years, but that he really didn't expect such a foot-dragging right-wing partisan congress. Besides, now is not the time to send in bench-warmers in such a critical game.

September 9, 2012 at 5:10 a.m.
cactus said...

The Republicans don't have a monopoly on lying.

See http://factcheck.org/

September 9, 2012 at 6:03 a.m.
EaTn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."all about race, eh noogs? only skinheads and leftists are preoccupied with race."

JD, you'd better get out of the house more often-- skinhead is hardly is a description of the lefties.

September 9, 2012 at 6:21 a.m.
joneses said...

This is the pot calling the kettle black.

September 9, 2012 at 7:24 a.m.
News_Junkie said...

To verify that (1) Republicans spread more deceptions and (2) Republicans' lies are much more flagrant, all you need to do is to peruse the entries at any of the various non-partisan fact-checkers, such as FactCheck.org, Snopes.com, PolitiFact.com, and The Washington Post’s Fact Checker. That will objectively prove the point Clay was trying to make in his current cartoon.

September 9, 2012 at 7:38 a.m.
degage said...

AL, You really believe that? if that was true the only reason would be no jobs. They come for other reasons like free stuff, medical,food stamps, housing. I'm not sure you know how easy it is for them to get these things. I lived in the Fl keys for a while and the federal housing units were filled with illegals. How do I know they were illegal? I worked HR at my job and many tried to get jobs there, all it took for me to check their status was to touch their SS card. there is a way to know by touch, that is why you are not supposed to laminate your SS card. I found out it only cost 100 dollars to buy a card. another time a woman gave me her SS# and it was the same as another girl already working there. They were sisters. When we found an illegal ss card we didn't tell them they couldn't work there we only said they had to go to The SS office and get the problem with their card taken care of then come back and they could go to work. They never returned, wonder why. one woman said hers was good because the person she got it from said so. The illegals that were already working trere when I took over HR were eventually weeded out and dismissed. You are going to say I'm racist for doing my job but I didn't want to go to jail for signing the I9 form of an illegal. It's really more complicated than you think. And Al, if you wife signs those I9 forms she needs to be real careful not to sign one if she even suspects illegal. It was after I retired that the company weeded out the illegals company wide in three states. This is to show they don't just come here to do the jobs Americans don't want.

September 9, 2012 at 7:56 a.m.
degage said...

News, All the fact checkers you name are left leaning, especially politfact and snopes.

September 9, 2012 at 8:03 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

EaTn: You need to brush up on reading comprehension.

September 9, 2012 at 8:06 a.m.
degage said...

EaTn, Why is it you lefties want to forget 2009 &2010 Obama had a democrat house and senate. Is that the foot dragging congress you are talking about? He also has Harry in the senate that won't bring anything the House sends him to a vote because he is afraid some of his dems will side with the other side of the isle.Can't have that.

September 9, 2012 at 8:20 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

deGage: The facts be damned.

September 9, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.
MTJohn said...

degage said..."News, All the fact checkers you name are left leaning, especially politfact and snopes."

If the fact checkers lean left, it is only because truth is a liberal value that apparently is not shared by conservatives.

September 9, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
limric said...

Well done Clay. Today's cartoon is a gem.  You can't find a more honest representation of the the dishonest representations of the GOP anywhere. This ones going to go viral.  I just wish it has sound effects. Rats scraping and scurrying around Paul Ryan's basement in the dead of night.

September 9, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

He had every intention of closing Gitmo, but was over-ruled on that one. He had every intention of cutting the deficit too, but like everyone else at the time, he underestimated the scope and depth of the economy. Sue him. Most of the economy experts had it all wrong too.

alprova, you make an excellent case for not believing either candidate this time. He knew what the obstacles were, he had access to the economic facts, he had no specifics regarding how to reduce the deficit. He has spent 3+ years making excuses and blaming others. He was a senator and had a staff that provided him will all the facts and data anyone could ever need to know what he was dealing with. Regardless of which is elected the scenario will be the same....It isn't that I am not keeping my promise I just didn't anticipate this etc. etc. and just like you their supporters will say "oh that poor fellow didn't have a chance" all those against him are to blame.

The so called fact checkers are as prone to mislead people as those they say they are fact checking. Washington is a great example of figures don't lie but liars figure. I am surprised that with your claim to thoroughly investigate issues and pursue facts that you can strongly endorse either candidate. Unless, you are like many posting here that have an opinion then seek data and information sources that support the opinion already held.

September 9, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

What harp3339 said.

September 9, 2012 at 9:14 a.m.
fairmon said...

The Schultz video posted here is a good example of her frequent disingenuous messages. She may do Obama more harm than good if she keeps going. She and Boehner may be the second most dangerous people in congress behind Pelosi. I have seen her interviewed a few times and find her very easy to dislike. She is arrogant and rude and will interrupt, talk over and talk louder if someone challenges her with facts.

September 9, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "AL, You really believe that? if that was true the only reason would be no jobs."

Jeb Bush was quoted making a very true statement on August 26, 2012. "If you look at the number of illegal immigrants coming into the country, it is net zero. It's been that way now for almost two years."

"They come for other reasons like free stuff, medical,food stamps, housing."

Oh...there are a few like that, but the vast majority of them come here to better their lives. I interact with many suspected illegals on a daily basis, and I know for a fact that none of these people are bums.

My business involves extending credit to customers who are interested in purchasing what I sell. I have several Hispanic customers on the books who may or may not be in this country illegally, and every one of them pay on time, every time. Just about all of them work in construction.

"I'm not sure you know how easy it is for them to get these things. I lived in the Fl keys for a while and the federal housing units were filled with illegals. How do I know they were illegal? I worked HR at my job and many tried to get jobs there, all it took for me to check their status was to touch their SS card. there is a way to know by touch, that is why you are not supposed to laminate your SS card. I found out it only cost 100 dollars to buy a card. another time a woman gave me her SS# and it was the same as another girl already working there. They were sisters. When we found an illegal ss card we didn't tell them they couldn't work there we only said they had to go to The SS office and get the problem with their card taken care of then come back and they could go to work. They never returned, wonder why. one woman said hers was good because the person she got it from said so. The illegals that were already working trere when I took over HR were eventually weeded out and dismissed. You are going to say I'm racist for doing my job but I didn't want to go to jail for signing the I9 form of an illegal. It's really more complicated than you think. And Al, if you wife signs those I9 forms she needs to be real careful not to sign one if she even suspects illegal."

She doesn't. Interesting that you brought up the lamination issue. I am still carrying my original Social Security card that was issued to me in 1973. It's been laminated for thirty years. No one has ever said a word to me about it or rejected it.

"It was after I retired that the company weeded out the illegals company wide in three states. This is to show they don't just come here to do the jobs Americans don't want."

Another discussion for another day. To heavy a subject to spoil this thread with, as it is almost as controversial as abortion.

September 9, 2012 at 9:37 a.m.
limric said...

Harp. Your 9:01 post provided some clear and thought provoking thoughts. There should be a return policy on Nobel peace prizes. President Obama did a 'used car dealer'  bait and switch  by conveying that he would be a head of state always seeking peaceful diplomatic solutions and complying to the rule of law. He not only convinced gullible Americans but also an overwhelming proportion in the international community that he would respect international laws.  He criticized  George (ptui) Bush, for the detentions of suspect,without trial, at Guantanamo and in the secret overseas CIA facilities of the so called “rendition” program. If Bush’s forte was torture and arbitrary detention of “suspects”, Obama has become the chief of America’s illegal, by any standards of international law, drone assassination program. If Bush was the torturer in chief, Obama has become the empire’s assassin in chief. 

And I won't EVEN go into whistleblower persecution or the DOJ's chicken sh*t abdication of justice concerning Wall Street. 

September 9, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
mymy said...

58 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/direction of country, etc.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock!

September 9, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
mymy said...

“Barack Obama: I’d like to start off by thanking you for leading this country in the best possible way. Thank you for lowering taxes, Thank you for causing fuel prices to drop, Thank you for creating more jobs, Thank you for lowering our national debt Thank you for getting the EPA off our backs. Thank you for bringing home all OUR troops. Thank you for Sealing our borders, and protecting our Amendments and our BILL of RIGHTS. Thank you for not smuggling weapons across Mexico and getting our border patrol agents killed and 100's of mexicans murderd with those weapons Thank you for not out-sourcing jobs overseas. Thank you for not aiding and abetting our enemies.. Thank you for not using class warfare and dividing our country using race.. Thank you for not using the war on women as part of your campaign.. Thank you for not suing states.. Thank you for not stealing 741 BILLION dollars from Medicare..

*Did you know that under Ovomit care plan that Seniors at age 76 will get NO cancer treatment..Obama care page 272 read it and weep!

The Romney/Ryan plan does not affect anyone 55 and older. It is only going to give those 55 and under other choices to make if they want to make them. Their plan has been praised by everyone that has taken the time to read it. Obama does not want you to focus on the 716 billion dollars that he stole from Medicare to pay for his Unaffordable health care. That is not counting all the extra taxes written into the health care bill and the penalty(Tax) if you don't buy insurance. Obama is a liar and a deceiver and has no plan but to smear his opponent in hopes of getting enough welfare and food stamp supporters to vote his way..*

Thank you for bringing about the change you promised and making America the greatest country in the world. NOT!

To be continued....

September 9, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
mymy said...

Oh wait, you didn't do any of that, in fact taxes have gone higher, plus you want to raise them with Obamacare! Fuel has only gone higher, four dollars a gallon. Letting Unemployment reach an all-time high, you shut down the Keystone Pipeline that would have directly helped jobs, and fuel prices. And you have doubled the national debt. You haven’t changed anything for the good stop trying to ruin America. America we can fix this problem, be part of the solution vote for Americas comeback team.

Obama's top 10 Character Flaws, 1) Can't keep promises, 2) Preys on the poor with misinformation to buy votes, 3) Can't accept responsibility , 4) Blames others, 5) Bullying/Intimidation, 6) Can't lead, 7) Can't balance a budget, 8) Can't tell the Truth, 9) Corruption, 10) Biggest talker no Result President Ever. See the Flaw? Can't afford 4 more years, we are broke and he owns this mess. Don't be fooled again by his Hope and Change message...And choosing Paul Ryan as VP is one awesome preview of what's yet to come for this country.... Prosperity, freedom, economic growth, jobs, and most importantly, HEALING! Healing from a president who over the last four years in office has completely "abused" the United States of America, everything it represents, and everyone in it...Four years ago, THE REAL AMERICA was fraudulently stolen from us, and now it's time to TAKE IT BACK!! GO MITT AND PAUL!!

September 9, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
degage said...

Al, I have had my SS card since 1956 and it to is laminated. That changed in the early 80's and if you look on the back of those from that time on they will say do not laminate. The reason is to identify fraud, you just have to know how to tell.

September 9, 2012 at 9:57 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Speaking of liars and the art of lying, Mitt Romney must be getting really desperate. While campaigning in the State of Virginia, he pledged that he would not take God off of U. S. coins. The obvious implication, of course, is that Obama will take God off of U.S. coins. Wonder which audience Romney was trying to manipulate?

September 9, 2012 at 9:58 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al said: "Fact: Deportation of illegal immigrants since Obama has been President is at an all time high."

Donm't spesak so fast Al, your fact may not be true.

Lamar's committee has obtained internal Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) documents, which show that "the Obama administration is cooking the books to achieve their so-called ‘record’ deportation numbers for illegal immigrants and that removals are actually significantly down -- not up -- from 2009."

http://www.examiner.com/article/lawmakers-to-probe-obama-s-cooking-the-books-allegations

Yesterday TOES wrote this about Obama "Most of what was said was misleading at best or a flat out lie."

Al responded with the following "Not according to the fact-checkers. At worst, he was guilty of offering half-truths."

So, in Al's world telling a half-truth is not a lie.

September 9, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
ricardo said...
September 9, 2012 at 10:15 a.m.
mymy said...

Obamanomics: 173k New Food Stamp Recipients, 96k New Jobs

“It's like a corrupt media ritual. The moment a Republican enters the Oval Office, America's homeless are suddenly discovered, dragged before news cameras, and used as props to prove how heartless the current administration is. But as soon as a Democrat assumes office, the homeless suddenly disappear – presumably to a place with chocolate rivers and peppermint trees that only Democrat presidents are able to magically manifest as soon as the oath of office is complete.”

“What is a cold, hard fact, though, is that in the last accounting available to us (May), America's food stamp rolls increased by 173,000. In the last jobs numbers available to us (August), only 96,000 new jobs were created. “

“Yes, this is the record of a president running for reelection with the slogan "Forward."”

“Do your job, mainstream media, people are suffering”

“Time to see the bigger moral world above your personal desire to see Obama reelected and report the truth.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/08/173k-food-stamps-96k-new-jobs

September 9, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "News, All the fact checkers you name are left leaning, especially politfact and snopes"

I strongly disagree with that statement.

Snopes has amassed a long time and fantastic reputation of settling disputes and backing up their facts with proof. Credibility is everything to them. They don't take on everything, but they do take on the most egregious and the most outrageous.

Politifact docoments their facts very carefully and thoroughly, and has quite often amended their positions in response to new evidence submitted to them from outside sources. I find them more than fair and impartial.

Practically every politician has a file on Politifact, that is if they have ever opened their mouth. Every State has a section where you can keep up with local politicians too. They are just about the best source to go to to find information, when anyone is interested in sorting fact from fiction when it comes to politics.

No one escapes criticism on that site. Even President Obama has amassed 6 pants on fire assessments over the years. Mitt Romney has 15.

If you believe Politifact's assessments are partisan, you're most certainly entitled to your opinion, but it would serve you better to make such a claim by backing it up with some proof.

Can you refute any claim on that site?

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/barack-obama/

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/mitt-romney/

September 9, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
jesse said...

I voted in my first election in 1964 and had hope for a better U.S.A . in every election until the end of the Carter years then i started to realize we were on a downhill slope and no change was in sight! Like limric said ,i fell for Obama's bait and switch trick! I don't know if McCain would have been better or not,his picking Palin for a running mate kept me from voting for him! Now the disheartening thing is w/the bad choice we have to make in Nov. there is no one on the political horizon that offers any hope that things will get better! Maybe it's a good thing that i won't live to have to deal w/what this country is gonna go thru for the next 50 years! Like Dylan said"the times they are a changin "and it ain't gonna be pretty!

September 9, 2012 at 10:36 a.m.
rick1 said...

ricardo said www.examiner.com puhleeze

Here ricardo I will give you the link to the Committee On The Judiciary.

http://judiciary.house.gov/news/082412_Administration%20Cooks%20the%20Books.html

September 9, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo: "Fact: Deportation of illegal immigrants since Obama has been President is at an all time high".

Wrong again. They are counting the same illegals over and over again. When ICE takes them back across the border, many come right back the very same day. They get caught again, and then counted again as a "deported illegal". Your party skew the numbers on illegal deportations just as your party skews the numbers on unemployment rates, debt reduction etc...

Most of Biden's speech was a lie. Many fact checking organizations agree that many democrats took liberties from the truth during the DNC.

September 9, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
ricardo said...

Wow, this is breaking news. A Republican congressional committee investigating a Democratic cabinet department for political reasons? I'm sure that's never happened before. These committee hearings are a farce and a waste of taxpayers' money.

September 9, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Fact Check: Clinton Compromise Claim a Stretch

An AP Fact Check found that in his address to the Democratic National Convention, Former President Bill Clinton's portrayal of President Barack Obama as a pragmatic compromiser left out the roles of Obama and Democrats in Washington gridlock. (Sept. 6)

September 9, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

DNC Chair Wasserman Schultz Lies about Israel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNeRxpCBIwk

She's a Nazi through and through.

September 9, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

DNC Chair Torn To Shreds Over False Claims

The Nazi lies again.

September 9, 2012 at 11 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

DNC Chair Gets Blitzed By Wolf On False Medicare Attacks

Wolf Blitzer body slams the Nazi.

September 9, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

"Who would believe that a former POTUS who was IMPEACHED and after leaving Office lost his license to practice LAW because of PERJURY, would tell bald faced Lies"???

LIES from the DNC ~ Clinton gets BIGGEST Pinocchio of the Convention & THEY BLAMED BUSH?

Like the video says. Google the "The community reinvestment act of 1977" and find out for yourself.

September 9, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

The truth is that the Democrats want to tax working people and give benefits to those who are unemployed, or who make less money. That's their platform and their reason for success.

The truth is that the Republicans do not understand that some people need help, and that people who get rich through preying on the ignorant and helpless who have no choice are despicable. If Romney was making $1,000,000 a year he would have more credibility. If he was making $100,000 a year he would really understand what is happening to the middle class.

The people in the media who support the two opposing sides are going to be comfortable no matter what happens, because they make enough money that higher taxes and high energy costs are a drop in the bucket. When a gallon of gas costs you 30 minutes of labor, it's a whole different story.

The truth is also that people who are holding seats in the federal government, and those who collect paychecks from the federal government, are living comfortably while the rest of the population of middle class folks is SUFFERING. They have a vested interest in their own personal comfort and in staying employed right where they are. I know this because I am ONE OF THEM and I see the waste and abuse that goes on among bureaucrats who exist for no purpose except to administer organizations which have the effect of redistributing tax dollars into local economies through federal paychecks. My agency, a DoD agency, has a MARKETING section. We have 500 people who help a two-star general "manage" the productive efforts of 1000 hourly wage workers who repair heavy equipment. A labor hour costs about $100. That's why we have a deficit and why things need to be changed, and it can be done without losing ANY of the beneficial functions of government. Cutting the defense budget by 50% would do nothing but cause them to lay off people who produce nothing of any worth to the American people IF the cuts were made in the proper places. Those cuts won't be made in the right places, because the people who will be in charge of choosing "who goes" will protect themselves.

All of us taxpayers are funding a big show for power-hungry politicians who mostly have their own best interest as priority #1. That includes every Democratic, Republican, and Independent office holder, and there is no solution on the horizon.

We need good, common people to run for office, and for realistic people to vote for what's best for everyone. It won't happen, because there are too many who live on what the rest of us produce.

There's your truth.

September 9, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
alprova said...

"Yesterday TOES wrote this about Obama "Most of what was said was misleading at best or a flat out lie."

"Al responded with the following "Not according to the fact-checkers. At worst, he was guilty of offering half-truths."

"So, in Al's world telling a half-truth is not a lie."

A half-true rating simply means that there are truthful elements to the statement and there may be reasons why it is not the whole truth.

For example, on today's front page on Politifact, it evaluates a statement that the President offered during a campaign speech;

"Mitt Romney said it was 'tragic' to end the war in Iraq."

The article cites the fact that indeed, Mitt Romney did indeed use the word during an interview in response to a question asking his opinion regarding the ending of the war in Iraq. Politifact goes on to document the context in which that word was offered.

Thus, Mr. Romney did not offer the word to describe his discontent with the ending of the war, end of story, but rather the word was used to describe his disagreement with the President's timing of the removal of troops from Iraq.

Was the statement the President made a lie? No it was not.

Did the President misrepresent the context in which the word was presented? Yep, he sure did.

Mitt Romney has been touring the country, repeatedly and deliberately lying when he states that the President gave waivers to states for "work to welfare." There's no half-truth to be found in such a statement. That is an outright lie.

Mitt Romney and many more have repeatedly referred to a quote by the President that was taken completely out of context and has converted it into a tag line numerous times over the last several weeks.

"If you own a business, you didn't build that" has become the most heinous example of lifting a word or phrase totally out of the context in which it was presented, to use it as a political dagger.

Obama is entitled to tell a half-truth every now and then.

God knows that he's certainly been a victim of more than his fair share of outright and deliberate lies.

September 9, 2012 at 11:24 a.m.
ricardo said...

Romney lies and corruption

http://youtu.be/fCYnSdgGzHo

September 9, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
ricardo said...

prairie dog, do you honestly believe that people who get government assistance are well off and living comfortably?

September 9, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Another big lie is that Obama saved GM. He did NOT save GM! He merely propped up GM with "fake" money so that their overpaid unions wouldn't have to tighten their belts any. Scratching the union back for votes in the future.

If Obama is reelected there will no doubt be a need for a second bailout. Will you liberals still agree that Obama "saved GM"? He saved absolutely nothing. He may have saved union members from having to sell a boat or one of their Harley's.

If GM were allowed to file for bankruptcy, they would have been forced to scale down an overpaid union workforce, retool factories, make decisions to manufacture cars more efficiently, streamline production facilities etc.... In doing so, they would have been able to come out of this crisis MUCH more capable of competing in the world auto market. Instead, they changed nothing. When the government money runs out they'll be no better off than they were before to weather the next storm.

So the big lie is that "GM is alive". If your 40 year old son is living in your basement with no job, is he really "on his own"?

September 9, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

GAO confirms Obama changed welfare to work rules in another extra-legal power grab. This from the GAO:

“In July, the Obama administration offered states more latitude in how they can run cash-assistance programs that replaced the welfare system after the 1996 overhaul passed by Congress and signed in to law by President Bill Clinton. … ‘It must be submitted to Congress and the comptroller general before taking effect,’ wrote Lynn H. Gibson, GAO’s general counsel, in a letter to the lawmakers on Tuesday.”

So Obama DID try the power grab once again. It' wasn't a lie alpo.

"Now we know that Romney was right to go after the Obama power grab dressed up as an ordinary “information memorandum.”

http://www.redstate.com/2012/09/05/gao-confirms-obama-changed-welfare-to-work-rules-in-another-extra-legal-power-grab/

September 9, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes, what the media and the Obama Administration does not talk about is that "GM in effect is still borrowing money. Consider this item from the report: "What remained in escrow was released to GM." Bottom line: Taxpayers have not been paid back and are still on the hook as GM continues to require government help. Yet Obama has hailed the GM bailout as the signature achievement of his big government programs."

I guess Obama saying the bailout of GM was a success is one of his half truths that Al will give him a pass on.

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/043012-609777-general-motors-not-really-repaying-taxpayer-bailout.htm

September 9, 2012 at 12:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The welfare-to-work concept moved America away from a permanent dependency class, but Obama profligacy has kept unemployment stuck above 8 percent during his White House stay. This new backward policy clarifies that Mr. Obama’s presidency is really about moving millions from work to welfare.

Read more: http://times247.com/times-opinion/miller-the-work-to-welfare-president#ixzz25zQe0c5w

September 9, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Democrats Caught in Jobs Lie (CNN Reports)

Another lie: 4.5 million jobs created.

Truth: 4,5 million jobs created, 5 million jobs lost = net loss of 500,000 jobs in the hole.

That's just in the private sector. If the public sector jobs lost were added, it would be 1.1 million jobs in the hole since Obama took office.

September 9, 2012 at 12:31 p.m.
rolando said...

The question, of course, was asked of a potential US-Citizen voter [heavy accent on Citizen]:

"-Who will win the Nov 2012 national election?"

Not bad, Clay. Good concept; good airbrush work; good format. [Huh...that didn't even hurt. How about that. Good art deserves good comments.]

September 9, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
miraweb said...

I hope there's enough paper in that polygraph. The four posts above this one are going to run right off the chart.

September 9, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Prove us as lying mira. You can't. Because it's all true. It's hard to say they aren't lying when it's all on tape. And alpo's "The tapes are doctored" whine doesn't hold water. That would be NBC news that doctors tape.

September 9, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
jesse said...

If the #'s on fed.jobs lost were to go to a factor of 3 then we would be gittin close to what needs to be done!!

September 9, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
ricardo said...

Hey toecheese, how do you shrink the size of the federal government and not cut public sector jobs? You can't have it both ways.

September 9, 2012 at 12:43 p.m.
EaTn said...

ricardo said... "prairie dog, do you honestly believe that people who get government assistance are well off and living comfortably?"

Yeah, there are lots of people on the government dole who are very well off and sucking up the tax money in the name of government jobs. Maybe we should just put the welfare and unemployed on the payroll also, then smooth out the wages curve based on each one's contribution to society.

September 9, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey Rolando? No matter who wins in Nov. Joe Public is gonna lose in the long run!!PUT that in the bank!!

September 9, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Like the video says. Google the "The community reinvestment act of 1977" and find out for yourself."

I addressed this issue yesterday, and what that video suggests is one of the most outrageous Republican sponsored lies ever told to the American people, bar none.

By all means, look at the video. It clearly pins the economic collapse on the backs of black people. The Republicans want everyone to believe that sub-prime loans were the entire cause of the housing bubble. It's a pathetic lie and it always will be.

The repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act of 1933, which opened the door for banks, investment houses, and insurance companies to merge and to do business with each other, is what led to this mess we are now in.

Blaming the Community Reinvestment Act for the recent recession is a slap across the face of every black person in this country.

If there were a law that provided prosecution for telling a lie, every single Republican and any cheerleader who offers the CRA as an attempt to take focus off the true conspiracy, should be prosecuted, imprisoned, and hung by their necks.

Financial insiders, looking to make some quick bucks and to steal money from hopeful investors, convinced three Republicans to sponsor legislation that removed 66 years of protection that was in place to prevent exactly what led to the collapsing of our financial services industry, which then filtered right down to disrupt this nations entire economic stability.

Mr Toes, I urge you to have the courage of your convictions, and to walk up to the first black person you see after reading my post, and to slap him or her across the face as hard as you can.

Because that Sir, will be a true reflection of the garbage you posted and that I am responding to.

Anybody who would dare to believe that people whose dream of owning a home caused all this mess, is worse than ignorant. Ignorance can be excused. Stupidity cannot.

Regarding the subject of sub-prime loans, I will never understand why it is that people who need credit the most, are the ones most often set up for failure. Anyone who is poor or disadvantaged by life circumstances is saddled with credit terms that practically guarantee it to be tougher to honor one's obligations to repay what they owe.

My business involves the extension of credit to my customers. I have one interest rate for everyone that I agree to finance. It is set 10 points lower than most of my competition. Everyone signs the same contract with the same terms.

My way of doing business, which is to treat everyone equally and fairly, has allowed me to double my initial investment in my business in a little over 9 months.

Screw the stock markets. Screw the banks and jumping through hoops like a circus animal in order to qualify for a lower rate of interest.

I'm George fricking Bailey in my own reality version of It's A Wonderful Life.

September 9, 2012 at 12:50 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The public sector jobs that are lost are from local municipalities:State, county and city/town. They are lost because of lower tax revenue from the loss of private sector jobs.

You seem to be stuck on the idea that all public sector jobs are federal government jobs. No, the federal government is doing just fine. They just raise taxes and print more money to keep their overpaid unions prosperous. Obama hired 6,000 or more new IRS agents to enforce Obamacare for instance.

Local governments don't have the luxury to raise taxes or print money to keep themselves afloat, so they must reduce their workforce. Hence, public sector job losses. Could you post a copy of your greencard or birth certificate? Nolo Comprende?

September 9, 2012 at 12:57 p.m.
UjokinRIGHTQ said...

Accordign to The Nation, in 2010 Paul Ryan quietly requested grant money from ACA, or better known as Obamacare, to fund a healthcare clinic

Republican vice-presidential candidate Paul Ryan is barnstorming the country, promising to repeal every provision of the Affordable Care Act if the Romney-Ryan ticket is elected. But a letter he wrote to the Obama administration may undermine this message.

On December 10, 2010, Ryan penned a letter to the Department of Health and Human Services to recommend a grant application for the Kenosha Community Health Center, Inc to develop a new facility in Racine, Wisconsin, an area within Ryan’s district. “The proposed new facility, the Belle City Neighborhood Health Center, will serve both the preventative and comprehensive primary healthcare needs of thousands of new patients of all ages who are currently without healthcare,” Ryan wrote

The grant Ryan requested was funded directly by the Affordable Care Act, better known simply as healthcare reform or Obamacare.

The letter, among several obtained by The Nation and The Investigative Fund through a Freedom of Information Act request, is a stark reminder that even the most ardent opponents of Obamacare privately acknowledge many of the law’s benefits

http://www.thenation.com/blog/169757/exclusive-paul-ryan-quietly-requested-obamacare-cash

September 9, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
degage said...

Al, didn't read all your post because I got it that you are using the race card in just 4 paragraphs. You see you waste your time posting those long responses cause we know where you are coming from very quickly. You are a bore.

September 9, 2012 at 1:07 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Al's obviously a racist as well. The FIRST order of business for a liberal is to yell RACE!! But guess what, It's loosing it's panache . It's like the "boy who cried wolf". When you say RACIST over and over again alpo, people start thinking maybe YOU'RE the racist. After all, you've mentioned race more than anyone on this forum. Your true colors are bleeding through pal.

September 9, 2012 at 1:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo also states at times that, : "republicans don't know how to play the race card". All that says is that the democrats are old pros at playing the race card. That's an outright admission of using race to further an agenda they can't defend otherwise.

September 9, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
ricardo said...

Local governments have become fat and happy living off the federal government dole too. Maybe it's time for them to take a haircut too.

September 9, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

EaTn said: How can the presidential duo Romney/Ryan claim to be squeaky clean and spout family values then run on such a deceptive platform?

I believe the answer is a lack of integrity, EaTn. Mitt Romney seems especially slippery to me. He appears to be willing to say anything he thinks an audience would like to hear. I’ve also noted that Romney employs a “lying by omission” tactic quite frequently, especially when it comes to equality and individual liberty issues.

In a recent interview, for example, Mitt Romney was chattering on about rape and incest victims saying that he felt their “rights” were something that should be decided by the Supreme Court. Needless to say, what Romney failed to mention in this interview, was his promise to appoint Judges like Robert Bork who is co chair of Mitt’s Justice Advisory Committee. I emphasize this because Robert Bork is someone who is notoriously hostile toward the rights of women including rape victims, incest victims, and women serving in the U.S. military.

Interestingly, Mitt Romney’s choice for his Justice Advisory Committee co-chair is the same Robert Bork who has argued: “The Second Amendment guarantees militias to the states, not guns to individuals.” The same Robert Bork who has argued: “Sooner or later, censorship is going to have to be considered as popular culture continues plunging to ever more sickening lows” and that “Liberty in America can be enhanced by reinstating, legislatively, restraints upon the direction of our culture and morality.” Since Romney appointed Bork co-chair of his Justice Advisory Committee, one can only assume that Mitt Romney shares the views expoused by Robert Bork.

September 9, 2012 at 1:24 p.m.
ricardo said...

The Romney backtracking begins (continues). Who ya gonna believe?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/09/us-usa-campaign-romney-healthcare-idUSBRE8880AW20120909

September 9, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES 02800 wrote: "GAO confirms Obama changed welfare to work rules in another extra-legal power grab."

A power grab? Your campaign is definitely not dictated by fact checkers either. You can't even be straight about the contents of the GAO memorandum.

No less than three Republican Governors made the requests for the waivers, which will only be granted if and when those states submit proof that they can exceed the Federal requirements for moving more people off of welfare to work.

"It' wasn't a lie alpo."

Ah, but it is, and the falsehood contained in the lie is well documented as such by people much more informed than yourself and Mitt Romney who have taken the time to document the claim thoroughly.

"Now we know that Romney was right to go after the Obama power grab dressed up as an ordinary "information memorandum."

Take the time to read the following links to discover the facts, the whole facts, and nothing but the facts.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/07/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-barack-obamas-plan-abandons-tenet/

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/08/does-obamas-plan-gut-welfare-reform/

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/spin-and-counterspin-in-the-welfare-debate/2012/08/07/61bf03b6-e0e3-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_blog.html

September 9, 2012 at 1:34 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova...

What is your take on Wasserman Schultz and her blantant midleading statements? She made a statement to one group then later on a talk show denied having made it. Freedom of the press and speach is necessary but it does not say freedom to lie and swindle is protected. The law against slader is as weak as any on the books. It requires the litigant prove the defendents intent regardless of the level of harm, did they mean to is not a sufficient criteria. Schultz's behavior borders on treason.

September 9, 2012 at 1:38 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Obmana circle logo is also known as the Choom Circle. Pass it around.

September 9, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Among the questionable remarks were Biden's argument that "after the worst job loss since the Great Depression we created 4.5 million private sector jobs in the past 29 months" – a frequent response by the Obama campaign when questioned about the slow economic recovery.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/08/bend-it-like-biden-obama-fact-checkers-find-exaggerations-in-conventions/#ixzz25zobmR8v

September 9, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, didn't read all your post because I got it that you are using the race card in just 4 paragraphs."

No Sir. I posted the facts. Can you dispute what I wrote?

"You see you waste your time posting those long responses cause we know where you are coming from very quickly. You are a bore."

That's okay. What I offer is not meant to please everyone. Read it, don't read it. It makes no difference to me. You are always welcome at any time to refute anything I write, if you can.

For future reference, in order to avoid embarassing yourself, the word is properly spelled "boor."

September 9, 2012 at 1:51 p.m.
degage said...

Al, Bore websters dictionary. to weary by dullness,repetion,unwelcome attention, a dull,tiresome or uncongenial person or a petty anoyance.

boor or bore all the same, you are still a BORE.

September 9, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Alpo also states at times that, : "republicans don't know how to play the race card". All that says is that the democrats are old pros at playing the race card."

I prefer to state that they play the race card much more accurately, and most definitely use it to describe the reality of the situation.

To blame the CRA for anything at all, is indeed blaming black people for defaulting on their mortgages, is it not? C'mon, it's okay to admit it. But do you truly believe it? That's the real question that needs to be answered.

What race of people did the CRA assist in the movement to boost home ownership? Blacks. So then, if you believe that piece of legislation as the root cause of the collapse of the economy of this entire nation, how can you deny that black people are to blame for it?

"That's an outright admission of using race to further an agenda they can't defend otherwise."

The ball is in your court. I've argued my case. Get busy refuting it, or have the decency to admit that your video is a piece of crap and one of the most pathetic lies ever told to the American public.

September 9, 2012 at 2:15 p.m.
mymy said...

Choom Circle sounds right. Obama must be high on something to so easily lie as he does. Somebody must be high on something or totally brainwashed/dumb to believe him.

Obama Policies don't work for this country. Bo must Go!

September 9, 2012 at 2:18 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, as you said in your comment it is YOU who agrees to finance. You can pick and choose who you want to enter into a contract with,so what type of people have you turned down for financing? How many were minorities?

September 9, 2012 at 2:19 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo, why is it that you think that it's only black people that were getting loans they couldn't pay back? Why is your brain wired to think that blacks in this country are all helpless and can't do anything on their own without government help? THAT is very condescending and belittling to the blacks. You didn't post any facts regarding this. You make the same "it's only blacks who are victimized" statements.

Every black person reading your condescending pompous statements regarding all blacks as "helpless victims" should be disgusted with your obviously less than enthusiastic view of blacks having the ability to do anything for themselves.

And then when a successful black, woman or minority comes along and doesn't vote democrat, you and other liberals unleash barrages of hate, piss and vinegar at them. You're a hypocrite racist alpo.

Was there a democrat "war on women" with the vile attacks against Sarah Palin? How about Michele Bachmann? Was there a racial hate towards Herman Cain? How about Alan West? Every woman, black person and minority should slap you in your face for giving them NO credit for achievements on their own. You're borderline phsycotic in your thinking. You brought race into this, just as you always do.

September 9, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "What is your take on Wasserman Schultz and her blantant midleading statements?"

I think the woman is a pathetic and pathological liar and rather stupid to think that she will get away with the kind of lies that she has been caught telling.

"She made a statement to one group then later on a talk show denied having made it."

I find her a poor spokesman for the Democrats. She needs to go.

"Freedom of the press and speach is necessary but it does not say freedom to lie and swindle is protected. The law against slader is as weak as any on the books. It requires the litigant prove the defendents intent regardless of the level of harm, did they mean to is not a sufficient criteria. Schultz's behavior borders on treason."

I have to agree. I dislike intentional dishonesty with a passion. Debbie Wasserman Schultz seems to embrace intentional dishonesty and when cornered, she absolutely refuses to fess up.

Not everything spoken by people that is proven to be untrue rises to the level as a lie. A lie is only a lie if you know the truth before you say it.

The untruths that Ms. Schultz has been caught telling were provable lies, that she clearly knew were untrue when she uttered them. Refusing to retract them is unforgivable.

September 9, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
mymy said...

Obamanomics: 173k New Food Stamp Recipients, 96k New Jobs

“It's like a corrupt media ritual. The moment a Republican enters the Oval Office, America's homeless are suddenly discovered, dragged before news cameras, and used as props to prove how heartless the current administration is. But as soon as a Democrat assumes office, the homeless suddenly disappear – presumably to a place with chocolate rivers and peppermint trees that only Democrat presidents are able to magically manifest as soon as the oath of office is complete.”

“What is a cold, hard fact, though, is that in the last accounting available to us (May), America's food stamp rolls increased by 173,000. In the last jobs numbers available to us (August), only 96,000 new jobs were created. “

“Yes, this is the record of a president running for reelection with the slogan "Forward."”

“Do your job, mainstream media, people are suffering”

“Time to see the bigger moral world above your personal desire to see Obama reelected and report the truth.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/08/173k-food-stamps-96k-new-jobs

September 9, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, do your employees belong to a union? If not, why don't you have them join a union since you are such a big suppoter of organized labor?

September 9, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
alprova said...

"Al, Bore websters dictionary. to weary by dullness,repetion,unwelcome attention, a dull,tiresome or uncongenial person or a petty anoyance."

"boor or bore all the same, you are still a BORE."

Upon two minutes of research, either spelling is acceptable. I stand corrected. I retract and apologize.

I hope that didn't bore you too much.

September 9, 2012 at 2:38 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

"The only thing we need to move forward together is hope. More hope. There obviously wasn’t enough hope last time, so if you’re feeling all hoped-out, keep hope alive. They hope you keep hoping. Keep re-hoping. Hope is our soma. Hope is our only hope, even though the guy who did those HOPE posters for the last election turned out to be a plagiarist and liar".

"Keep hoping until your ass falls off, even though Obama promised to cut the deficit in half but has piled $5 trillion on top of it. Keep hoping even though he pledged to unite us but shattered us all like glass. Keep hoping through four more years of violent flash mobs and speech codes and moral panics and psych meds".

"Keep hoping until your brain explodes, because under Barack Obama, we finally have a nation where people of all colors, genders, sexual orientations, and creeds can be imprisoned for life without trial".

September 9, 2012 at 2:53 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, as you said in your comment it is YOU who agrees to finance. You can pick and choose who you want to enter into a contract with,so what type of people have you turned down for financing? How many were minorities?"

Ah...another grilling session, eh?

I turn down anyone who does not meet my substantial down payment requirements.

I have 60 people currently on the books. 16 of them are minorities. That's slightly less than 27%.

September 9, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

mymy: There's no news to report when the dam don't break, the rivers don't flood, the hurricane doesn't hit, the tornado fizzles out. The media and the democratic party have one huge need, they need there to be VICTIMS. They both need victims of ANYTHING real or not.

Without class-warfare, the democrats would be dead in the water.

September 9, 2012 at 3:04 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Good grief! I just read that Mitt Romney is campaigning in Virginia with Pat Robertson. What is it about Robertson that these Republican politicians find so attractive? It can’t be respect for Roberson's wisdom and/or compassion:

"You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist." [Pat Robertson, The 700 Club, January 14, 1991]

"The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers." [Pat Robertson]

"We're importing Hinduism into America. The whole thought of your karma, of meditation, of the fact that there's no end of life and there's this endless wheel of life, this is all Hinduism. Chanting too. Many of those chants are to Hindu Gods -- Vishnu, Hare Krishna. The origin of it is all demonic. We can't let that stuff come into America. We've got the best defense, if you will -- a good offense." [Pat Robertson]

"The media challenged me. You're not going to bring atheists into the government? How dare you maintain that those who believe the Judeo-Christian values are better qualified to govern America than Hindus and Muslims?' My simple answer is,Yes, they are.'" [Pat Robertson]

September 9, 2012 at 3:06 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

That must make you a racist alpo. By your own definition. You should be FORCED to have at least 50% minorities "on the books".

September 9, 2012 at 3:07 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I don't know mountainoyster. What do the democrats find so attractive about Clinton? An impeached president, A proven finger pointing liar, a disbarred lawyer, a known womanizer, The signer of NAFTA, A contributor of the housing market collapse....

Compared to Clinton, Pat Robertson doesn't look so bad.

September 9, 2012 at 3:13 p.m.
mymy said...

The media are gushing and fawning over new poll numbers showing Barack Obama getting a bounce from the just ended Democratic National Convention putting him four points ahead of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney.

Before they get too cocky, they might want to recall that after his convention ended in 1988, Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis led George H.W. Bush by seventeen points.

The New York Times reported July 26, 1988:

This was among the findings of a national public opinion poll of 948 registered voters conducted late last week for Newsweek magazine by the Gallup Organization. The telephone interviews took place on July 21, which was the last night of the convention, and on the night after that.

Fifty-five percent of the 948 registered voters interviewed in the poll said they preferred to see Mr. Dukakis win the 1988 Presidential election, while 38 percent said they preferred to see Mr. Bush win.

Wow. Seventeen points. Yet Bush ended up winning by almost eight percent.

Back in 1980 Gallup had Jimmy Carter up over Ronald Reagan by 4 points in mid to late September… And, Carter was up 8 points in October. In fact there was a published Gallup poll showing Carter up six among likely voters in a poll conducted Oct. 24 to 27.

Ronald Reagan ended up winning by 9 points and taking 44 states.

Makes you wonder if Obama's media are going to point these numbers out while they applaud the recent polling data.

Don't hold your breath.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/09/09/flashback-dukakis-led-bush-17-points-after-1988-dnc#ixzz2607U1Wyc

September 9, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
MTJohn said...

mymy said..."Before they get too cocky, they might want to recall that after his convention ended in 1988, Democratic presidential nominee Michael Dukakis led George H.W. Bush by seventeen points"

Correct, and before the Willie Horton ads, etc. Which just goes to show that conservative voters are much more interested in how well big money can Swift Boat liberal candidates than they are in candidates' positions on substantive issues.

September 9, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, do your employees belong to a union?"

I'm not sure. They go outside a lot, walk in circles while holding signs, and mumble all the time.

"If not, why don't you have them join a union since you are such a big suppoter of organized labor?"

What makes you think that I am a "big supporter of organized labor?"

September 9, 2012 at 3:41 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

I don't know about your stance on organized labor alpo, but having only 27% minorities on the books makes it that your not being fair. Practice what you preach. According to you, that's racism.

September 9, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, what type of wage and benifits package do you offer your employees. Do the you provide paid vacation, holidays, and sick days? Do you offer health, dental or eye insurance or a 401K plan. What salary does your employees start at.

September 9, 2012 at 4:24 p.m.
joneses said...

Out of all the stupid cartoons the blind fool Clay Bennett has printed this has got to be the best sign of how stupid he actually is. Hussein Obama is known as the most dishonest president ever by many. This work the democrats are doing now trying to convince people that their opponents are doing what they are guilty of, lying is an old tactic the dumocrats have used in the past which only the foolish will believe. The tactic is the democrats have a convention filled with lies and dishonest speeches and then they retire to calling the Republicans dishonest. The dumocrats will not admit that 6 trillion dollars has been added to a debt by Hussein Obama after he promised he would cut the 10 trillion dollars in debt he inherited from Clinton and President Bush in half. Hussein Obama lied. Blathermouth-schultz is a pathological liar, Moocheele Obama lied about she and Hussein growing up poor while attending private schools their whole life, Bill Clinton still does not know the definition of "is" and is a known liar. You know when a lawyer is telling a lie? When his/her lips are moving. Does anyone find it funny that most dumocrats are lawyers? Even that Fluke of a lady is a lawyer. That automatically means most dumocrats are liars but I actually believe all dumocrats are liars.

September 9, 2012 at 4:39 p.m.
rolando said...

jesse - Hey, back. You are right -- the taxpayers will again get the dirty end of the stick no matter who wins.

Question is, how long a stick do we get? The one that reaches to the first layer of communism or the one that goes all the way down to the pits?

September 9, 2012 at 4:55 p.m.
rolando said...

joneses - "...that Fluke of a lady..." Pure poetry.

September 9, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

TOES02800 said: "Compared to Clinton, Pat Robertson doesn't look so bad."

Well, if you really want to compare dirty deeds, I suspect Bill Clinton will probably come out looking like a saint compared to a televangelist who contracts with a brutal Liberian warlord and mixes his alleged missionary work in Africa with efforts at developing mineral wealth. Speaking of which, maybe this is what Mitt Romney finds so attractive about Pat Robertson. Indeed, Romney and Robertson are both billionaires who are out to make a profit any way they can and both seem to have a fondness for doing business in the Cayman Islands.

September 9, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.....

Not everything spoken by people that is proven to be untrue rises to the level as a lie. A lie is only a lie if you know the truth before you say it.

we again agree on this and on Schultz. I am surprised the DNC hasn't put a muzzle on her. Those people changing their opinion or position on an issue based on information they were unable to obtain before are not a problem. In fact, acknowledging that and admitting they are changing their opinion based on new information is a good trait.

Credit to minorities question. If you have extended credit to 27% and that mirrors or exceeds the general area population there is no hint of discrimination. Apply the same standards to all that apply for credit and you are legal unless something is included that is unique to minorities just because they are a minority. I can't imagine what that would be on a credit application.

September 9, 2012 at 5:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

Should I believe what slick willie said about Obama when Hilary was running against him or what he said in the convention speech? The fact is I won't give value to any-one's endorsement of a candidate when trying to decide which agenda I most agree with and I believe what they say.

September 9, 2012 at 5:53 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: A bidness agent from the International Federation of Underpaid Insurance and Typists Union just called and wanted your number. The were chanting something about workers of the world unite.

September 9, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
miraweb said...

The best of the David Gregory interview with Mitt Romney. He has announced his secret plan to help the middle class - by reducing the interest, dividend, and capital gains taxes. Interesting approach.

https://vimeo.com/49124692

September 9, 2012 at 6:22 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Surprise, surprise. . . Paul Ryan lied on Face the Nation today:

“Vice Presidential candidate Paul Ryan has gotten in hot water before for criticizing President Obama for the very same defense cuts that he voted for in 2011.

When confronted with this incongruity today on Face The Nation, Ryan simply denied that he ever voted for the cuts, telling an incredulous Norah O’Donnell that he didn’t actually vote for the cuts he’s on record as voting for. . .

Ryan’s statement after voting for the bill contained not a single word of criticism about the defense cuts. As O’Donnell correctly noted, Ryan said the bill “represents a victory for those committed to controlling government spending and growing our economy” and that “The agreement – while far from perfect – underscores the extent to which the new House majority has successfully changed Washington’s culture of spending.”

It’s at best misleading, and at worst an outright lie, for Ryan to assert that voting for the Budget Control Act did not mean voting for defense cuts.”

http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/09/09/816861/ryan-i-didnt-vote-for-the-defense-cuts-i-voted-for/

September 9, 2012 at 6:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said......

It’s at best misleading, and at worst an outright lie, for Ryan to assert that voting for the Budget Control Act did not mean voting for defense cuts.”

You are no different than the politicians and journalist that mislead people based on your personal opinion. It is sad that neither candidate can offer a specific agenda that supporters can understand and defend instead of attacking the other with items like you attempt here.

September 9, 2012 at 6:54 p.m.
rick1 said...

Jack, love the post at 6:18pm

September 9, 2012 at 7:06 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said...

The best of the David Gregory interview with Mitt Romney. He has announced his secret plan to help the middle class - by reducing the interest, dividend, and capital gains taxes. Interesting approach.

Good video, thanks. I wish the networks would provide each candidate a 2-3 hour time frame where they could describe their position and plan on any issue that may confront them. Have a list of issues gathered from people that vote and make sure they stay on subject.....that would be one tough job. I get tired of hearing philosophy, chants, sound bites and talking points. It is like hiring an employee, I want to interview them before hiring.

September 9, 2012 at 7:08 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "I don't know about your stance on organized labor alpo, but having only 27% minorities on the books makes it that your not being fair."

Really? I would be happy to serve more minorities. All they gotta do is come in the door.

Given that the white population in our area is just shy of 80%, I thought I was doing a-okay. I have no idea what you base your opinion upon in stating that I am not being "fair."

"Practice what you preach."

I do.

"According to you, that's racism."

Would you care to explain that?

September 9, 2012 at 7:19 p.m.
EaTn said...

rolando said..."jesse - Hey, back. You are right -- the taxpayers will again get the dirty end of the stick no matter who wins."

If you put stock in some of the financial pundits' predictions, the economy will land in about the same spot regardless of who wins--just take different routes. While we're pushing our partisan presidential favorites, the one in charge if the economy drops may also be the one making excuses for their party for some time.

September 9, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
ricardo said...

harp, do you really think that they would tell us the truth? The truth will not get them elected.

September 9, 2012 at 7:22 p.m.
alprova said...

"Al, what type of wage and benifits package do you offer your employees."

That's none of your business.

"Do the you provide paid vacation, holidays, and sick days?"

Again, that's none of your business.

**"Do you offer health, dental or eye insurance or a 401K plan.

Ditto.

"What salary does your employees start at."

Ditto again.

If I happen to ever need an employee, and if you happen to find me, and if you fill out an application for employment, and if I happen to call you in for an interview, I'll be happy to discuss all the above with you at that time.

I have the same staff I opened with last December, and I anticipate having them for years to come. I think they are quite happy with their jobs, their compensation, and the bennies I provide to them.

This much I will let you in on. I share my profits with my employees. When I have a good week, they have a good week. I pay a base salary plus a bonus that varies each week.

There are no secrets between myself and my employees. They are keenly aware of every penny that comes in and that goes out.

You'd love working for me, I assure you.

September 9, 2012 at 7:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

ricardo said... harp, do you really think that they would tell us the truth? The truth will not get them elected.

No I don't but hope enough of us could tell which was lying least. The party that will come out ahead as a result of this election may be the one that loses.

September 9, 2012 at 7:34 p.m.
ricardo said...

There he (alprova) goes again, redistributing the wealth. ;)

September 9, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.
fairmon said...

alpro I thought you were smarter than to post the employment data here. You must be in a service or sales business and not producing a product. Not multi-level marketing I hope. I am confident you would be pleased if I was working for you as you suggest I would be with you as an employer but I really have no interest. Keep in mind the labor laws and the HR role is ever changing. Your profit sharing approach can be motivational but is full of land mines with well intentioned labor agents reacting to situations but they created a confusing monster.

September 9, 2012 at 7:44 p.m.
alprova said...

ricardo wrote: "There he (alprova) goes again, redistributing the wealth. ;)"

I truly do have a unique compensation package. It's why I have never had an employee who does not smile each and every day when they come in the door to start their day.

September 9, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
ricardo said...

Profit sharing can be a very motivational tool in good times, but very demoralizing in bad times. Which will go first when you start losing money? Laying off employees, or the profit sharing plan?

September 9, 2012 at 7:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "alpro I thought you were smarter than to post the employment data here."

I haven't revealed enough information to lead anyone to my doorstep. I have lots of competition, so I'm not worried about what little info that I have offered.

"You must be in a service or sales business and not producing a product. Not multi-level marketing I hope."

I have stated in the past that it involves sales of high end products, that I do not manufacture.

"I am confident you would be pleased if I was working for you as you suggest I would be with you as an employer but I really have no interest."

Harp, I consider you good people, even though we disagree from time to time on the issues.

"Keep in mind the labor laws and the HR role is ever changing."

I've got that covered very well. I am involved with an industry that provides mandatory education that is tied to my business license, and I am a member of a state sponsored organization that provides me updates to any and every change in laws tied to my business, as well as employment laws. They mail me a thumbdrive once a month.

"Your profit sharing approach can be motivational but is full of land mines with well intentioned labor agents reacting to situations but they created a confusing monster."

I'm not sure what you are trying to get across. "Labor agents?"

I've operated my way for most of the last 25 years. I've yet to experience one problem from any of the people who have worked for me.

September 9, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Is there any doubt that ALPO is truly the biggest gas-bag on this forum? I mean really.

September 9, 2012 at 8:19 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Is there any doubt that ALPO is truly the biggest gas-bag on this forum? I mean really."

Is there any doubt that you are the most fly-like insect that hangs around in this forum? I mean really.

SWAT!!! BZZZZZ SWAT!!! BZZZZZ SWAT!!! BZZZZ SWAT!!!

September 9, 2012 at 8:38 p.m.
dude_abides said...

alprova is a thoughtful, intelligent and compassionate person. You, Jack_Densest, are a run of the mill, dime a dozen chump who brings nothing to the table but a bib. I believe you suffer from think apnea.

September 9, 2012 at 9:56 p.m.
dude_abides said...

harp said... "The party that will come out ahead as a result of this election may be the one that loses."

Wow, counterintuitivity! Box exteriority! "Unpresidented" strategy!

Actually, that was the case last time around. But the GOP has dropped the ball trying to take advantage by nominating an aloof ponce with a hidden financial past and a quirky religion that believes in Civil War era American prophets.

September 9, 2012 at 10:12 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: besides hate, what is it that you bring to the table?

September 9, 2012 at 10:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

Schultz and Pelosi are detrimental to Obama. I know people that say they won't vote that would vote for Obama if they weren't in the picture. I suggested they vote for the libertarian but they won't do that.

September 9, 2012 at 11:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

I've operated my way for most of the last 25 years. I've yet to experience one problem from any of the people who have worked for me.

You probably won't unless the department of labor starts poking around which is not likely unless an employee complains or a competitor points at you. Check out a web site called bizkeys at bizkeys.com

September 9, 2012 at 11:51 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "dude_: besides hate, what is it that you bring to the table?"

I bring cloisonne, peripatetic rumination, the hall effect, several species of small furry animals, and apres Ypres poppies, you porcine pudendum.

September 10, 2012 at 12:21 a.m.
alprova said...

dude_abides wrote: "alprova is a thoughtful, intelligent and compassionate person. You, Jack_Densest, are a run of the mill, dime a dozen chump who brings nothing to the table but a bib. I believe you suffer from think apnea."

I'm sure the guy has his good qualities. Why I'll even bet that he's the kinda guy that takes the dishes out of the sink right before he takes a whiz in it.

September 10, 2012 at 12:32 a.m.
alprova said...

Hasrp3339 wrote "You probably won't unless the department of labor starts poking around which is not likely unless an employee complains or a competitor points at you. Check out a web site called bizkeys at bizkeys.com"

I think you misunderstood something. Everyone gets a base salary, which is nothing to sneeze at, plus bonuses. The base salary, or the minimum pay for 39.5 hours a week (The number of hours the business is open per week) works out to about $11.39 an hour. The best week we had worked out to about $15.19 an hour.

I have no idea why you would think that a competitor would have a thing to point at me for. I simply do not rip people off, like others do.

What's anyone got to complain about?

September 10, 2012 at 12:51 a.m.

I think the mendacity of Mitt Romney comes clearest from his comment on the size of the Navy. Still on his website too.

Literal truth? Perhaps, but outright deceptive in its falseness. Or perhaps Mitt doesn't know that the composition and structure of the Naval forces of the world have completely changed. In the time period Romney uses as a reference there were three or four Naval forces to compare to that of the US. Now? I would put one US carrier taskforce against the entire world's navies, aside from the ballistic missile nuclear components, but those are a separate consideration. And we have at least eight of them.

Could Mitt make an argument for changes to US military composition? Sure, but the character of his rhetoric is disengenous and fails on that lack of authenticity alone.

His comments about the age of Air Force planes and squadron sizes ar also duplicitous. Or how Obama stopped funding a worthless "missile defense" boondoggle. I'm surprised Romney hasn't blamed Obama for the last battleships finally being put out for pasture. Maybe Ryan will blame Obama because Boeing's Wichita stopped producing B-52's in 1962. It was a few months after his birth. Heck, I bet the job cuts in 2004 were Obama's fault too.

But wait, we can't mention that anything bad happened before Obama took office. History restarted so nothing existed before his inauguration. This is why everything must be Obama's fault. And Republicans completely innocent, pure as the new-falen snow.

September 10, 2012 at 1:59 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Out of all the stupid cartoons the blind fool Clay Bennett has printed this has got to be the best sign of how stupid he actually is."

Who cares what you think?

"Hussein Obama is known as the most dishonest president ever by many."

Who cares what you and "many" people think?

"This work the democrats are doing now trying to convince people that their opponents are doing what they are guilty of, lying is an old tactic the dumocrats have used in the past which only the foolish will believe."

Who cares what you think?

"The tactic is the democrats have a convention filled with lies and dishonest speeches and then they retire to calling the Republicans dishonest."

I guess your campaign will not be dictated by fact checkers either.

"The dumocrats will not admit that 6 trillion dollars has been added to a debt by Hussein Obama after he promised he would cut the 10 trillion dollars in debt he inherited from Clinton and President Bush in half."

Remind me exactly how much it is that you have personally been bilked out of since Mr. Obama took office?

"Hussein Obama lied."

And you don't?

"Blathermouth-schultz is a pathological liar,"

Yeah she is. A clock with a dead battery is also right twice a day. Take a bow.

"Moocheele Obama lied about she and Hussein growing up poor while attending private schools their whole life,"

You don't think that poor people attend private schools? Have you ever heard of scholarships, grants, charity, or parents who rake and scrape to give their children the best they can possibly afford?

"Bill Clinton still does not know the definition of "is" and is a known liar."

Well, according to the fact checkers, there was very little to dispute in his speech the other night. Looks like he's mending his ways.

"You know when a lawyer is telling a lie? When his/her lips are moving."

OMG, I almost forgot to laugh, that was so funny. What's that...like the billionth time that line has been used by somebody?

"Does anyone find it funny that most dumocrats are lawyers?"

Most Republican lawmakers are lawyers too.

"Even that Fluke of a lady is a lawyer."

Jealous much? Rush Limbaugh made the woman a household name and a hero to most women too. She's got quite a future ahead of her. Why she might even enter into politics at some point. She'll never bat right, you can bet on that.

"That automatically means most dumocrats are liars but I actually believe all dumocrats are liars."

Which brings me back to my first question, with a twist. Do you really think that anyone cares what you believe?

I will never cease to be amazed at just how miserable and discontented a person can become.

If I were to take a great big ole' bite out of a lemon, then look into a mirror, snap a photo of it, why I'll bet we would look like twins.

Life is way too short to be a curmudgeon all the time.

September 10, 2012 at 3:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

What's anyone got to complain about?

Nothing and I'm not suggesting changing anything. But, as you know that doesn't stop some people. There may not be any problem with the bonus plan but many businesses with an excellent intent and without complaints have been made miserable by the department of labor.

September 10, 2012 at 4:49 a.m.
Yossarian25 said...

I don't think I will need to write another post ever again. nooga pretty much summed it all up at at 12:41 a.m.

It's a pity an extreme anti-Govt. movement wasn't set up in 2000 after deplorable, immoral and quasi-legal tactics were used to steal the election in Florida. That's one of the saddest things, the Bush-Cheney Junta that actually f*cked us all, never should have happened!! Funny how some people have collective amnesia about those 8 years!

September 10, 2012 at 6:29 a.m.
EaTn said...

Yoss...everyone doesn't have amnesia of how the previous administration used scare tactic deception to justify the trillion-dollar special-interest spending Iraq war, then proceed to spend billions and strip individual liberties in this country in the name of security. Those who would vote to repeat the old regime deserve the consequences.

September 10, 2012 at 7:11 a.m.
degage said...

I did some fact checking on those jobs created. CNN, 5 million private sector lost 4.5 million gained a loss of 500,000. Huff post says 58% of jobs created are low wage jobs. These are the things you liberals fail to admit. I just put, fact checking jobs created are low wage, in the search area and all sorts of fact checking links came up.

September 10, 2012 at 7:23 a.m.
alprova said...

Those 5 million jobs lost go all the way back to 2007 when this whole mess began.

The 4.5 million jobs gained started in 2009.

CNN has been reporting over the last two days that 261,000 jobs will even things out over the time that Obama has been President.

Clearly there are people who are looking at the jobs situation as if it were a glass that was half-empty. So they see a negative.

The half-full crowd sees a 4.5 million job gain, under any criteria, as a positive.

Economists have released projections that 12 million jobs are forecasted if the country stays on the path that it currently is on, which includes a second term for Obama.

Another fact that has not been widely reported is that since Obama has been President, more manufacturing jobs have been created than were lost for the first time in two decades.

I've got to rush off to an appointment at the dealer to have my truck looked at, so will post the proof when I get to the office later this morning.

September 10, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.
mymy said...

58 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/direction of country, etc.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock!

Democrats Ran Their Convention Like They Run the Country: At a Deficit

On Friday, Bloomberg News reported another embarrassing fact about the recently completed Democratic National Convention: it operated at a $15 million deficit.

In a move certain to raise eyebrows at the Federal Election Commission, $10 million of that deficit was covered by a temporary line of credit from Duke Energy Corporation. Even with that borrowed $10 million, the DNC still owes vendors $5 million, and it doesn't have the cash to pay them:

Democrats ended their convention in Charlotte $5 million short of their budget even after being forced to draw down a $10 million line of credit from Duke Energy Corp. (DUK), according to a Democratic Party fundraiser.

That will leave a $15 million bill that eventually will have to be paid by President Barack Obama’s campaign or the Democratic National Committee, according to the fundraiser, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss internal deliberations.

The Charlotte Host Committee ended the convention with more than $5 million in immediate obligations and may require a direct cash infusion from the Obama campaign to pay vendors, said the fundraiser.

The $10 million line of credit to Duke Energy will need to be repaid next year, said a second person familiar with the matter, who also spoke on condition of anonymity. Duke Energy Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jim Rogers is co-chairman of the host committee.

Those debts could siphon off advertising money in the campaign’s final months, as Democrats face a cash disadvantage.

The convention's red ink ads to a litany of misfires that characterized last week's debacle in Charlotte.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/09/08/Democrats-Ran-Their-Convention-Like-They-Run-the-Country-At-a-Deficit

September 10, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.
conservative said...

We can tax and spend our way to prosperity.

Question, which party constantly promotes that lie?

September 10, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO said "Which brings me back to my first question, with a twist. Do you really think that anyone cares what you believe?" Let's turn that question back on you, blow-hard. Is it true you've petitioned TFP to up the limit of posts to 10,000 words? You bloviating gas-bag.

September 10, 2012 at 8:33 a.m.
EaTn said...

conservative said... "We can tax and spend our way to prosperity.

Question, which party constantly promotes that lie?"

Both parties seem to be good at it. The real question is who will they tax and what will they spend it on?

September 10, 2012 at 8:33 a.m.
degage said...

Chicago teachers strike, you know those same teachers that care so much about the children. Seems they want more than chicago can afford. Union at its best, screw the taxpayer we want more than they can afford. Democrats for you. Sorry not all dems are liberal so I will adjust that statement, progressive dems.

September 10, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

degagee: I'm sure the Chicago Thugs that run the city (and BHO) will be hard pressed to go against the union. Typical news from a crumbling "progressively" run city.

September 10, 2012 at 9:04 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Both of the parties lie and distort at will and we have been conditioned to accept this as a regular part of "politics". This is a a very dangerous situation. A representative republic cannot function when voters are not equipped with facts so they can make informed decisions.

I think part of the problem is that we insist that there is a "right to vote" and a high voter turn-out which includes a large percentage of under informed voters. Lazy citizens that are not willing to do the research necessary and do not demand the truth are easily influenced by emotion and shallow or deceptive political advertisement. This part of our voting population is badly compromising the voting results.

Clay Bennett is a perfect example of the problem. Anyone who thinks one party has a monopoly on distortion is far too uninformed to take seriously, but many will embrace his message.

September 10, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: " It is sad that neither candidate can offer a specific agenda that supporters can understand and defend instead of attacking the other with items like you attempt here."

Huh? The Paul Ryan/Face the Nation matter seems rather straightforward to me, Harp3339. Since the Budget Control Act of 2011 necessitated approximately $500 billion in defense reductions across 10 years and since the evidence shows that Paul Ryan voted for the Budget Control Act of 2011, it tells us in no uncertain terms that Paul Ryan was simply being disingenuous in regard to his statements on Face the Nation – end of story. Face the Nation’s Norah O’Donnell was right to challenge the incongruites in Paul Ryan’s statements.

September 10, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Chicago- The new Detroit. Thanks liberal policies and overbearing unions!

September 10, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Another Obama lie is that he will use the money saved from ending the wars on "infrastructure".

But he knows that's a flat-out lie because the wars were and are paid for mostly by borrowed money. So there's no pile of freed-up cash to do squat with.

Obama knew this when he made that lie of a promise.

Come on Clay! Lets see that jackass come rolling out of the polygraph!

September 10, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Yeah, Norah O'Donnell is a real unbiased "journalist". Puhleeze.

Big Ridge: Exactly.

September 10, 2012 at 9:47 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Campaign buttons from the DNC:

"Once you vote black, you'll never go back".

"Sluts vote".

What eloquent taste these liberals.

September 10, 2012 at 9:53 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

CAGE MATCH BETWEEN MITT 1.0 AND MITT 2.0

“We ought to give whichever President is going to be elected at least six months or a year to get those policies in place.

Mitt Romney 1.0 Kudlow Report CNBC 7-24-12

Toes wrote, "Truth: 4,5 million jobs created, 5 million jobs lost = net loss of 500,000 jobs in the hole. That's just in the private sector. If the public sector jobs lost were added, it would be 1.1 million jobs in the hole since Obama took office."

Right you are Toes, but even Romney disagrees with your calculation. Mitt said, we have to give the President “six months or a year to get those policies in place.”

On February 17, 2009, President Obama signed into law the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, commonly referred to as the Stimulus. It included the largest middle class tax cut in history.

The economy was still bleeding jobs at an alarming rate, but beginning in August, SIX MONTHS AFTER THE BILL WAS PUT INTO LAW, the private sector began hiring again and it hasn’t stopped yet. Over 4 million new jobs and still counting.

The only way to skew the job numbers to dismiss the gains is to include all the jobs lost, thanks to George Bush and congressional republicans, AFTER Obama took office but before his policies were allowed to take hold.

Mitt Romney 1.0 refutes that calculation in no uncertain terms.

Mitt Romney 2.0 disagrees with himself again.

The Romney TV campaign ad says that for over 40 weeks – which takes us back to when the President took office – we’ve had zero job growth.

“I’m Mitt Romney and I approve this message.”

So which Mitt wins the cage match? Seems like a draw, which makes Mitt Romney is a dirty rotten liar.

September 10, 2012 at 10 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

blackwater: Obama, Axelrod, et al wrote the book on lying. Chicago thugs own it.

September 10, 2012 at 10:13 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Pull-Up Baby: 10-Month-Old Jonas Goes To Tremendous Lengths To Watch "Jungle Book"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/04/17/baby-pull-ups_n_1428979.html?utm_hp_ref=youtube

Baby strong, like bull!

September 10, 2012 at 10:23 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

OBAMA'S GONNA PAY FOR MY GAS...

How's that workin' for ya?

September 10, 2012 at 10:26 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Racist Obama supporter shows her true colors

In the morning AND at supper time!

September 10, 2012 at 10:29 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Michelle Obama Stares At Barack Obama Crying

if looks could kill! I must admit, I kinda feel sorry for Barry on this one.

September 10, 2012 at 10:33 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "Yeah, Norah O'Donnell is a real unbiased "journalist". Puhleeze."

Nice try, Jack_Dennis, but the bottom line in the Ryan/Face the Nation matter is still straightforward. Either Paul Ryan did or didn’t vote for the Budget Control Act of 2011, which necessitated approximately $500 billion in defense reductions.

Since the records clearly show that Paul Ryan did vote for the Budget Control Act of 2011, which necessitated the $500 billion in defense reductions, I’d say the person playing political games with the American public is Paul Ryan not Norah O’Donnell.

September 10, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Apparently you know nothing of her body of work. She's perfect for MSNBC.

September 10, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Anyone who accepts lying and distortion from politicians should read the little book How Do You Kill 11 Million People.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/how-do-you-kill-11-million-people/

September 10, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "ALPO said "Which brings me back to my first question, with a twist. Do you really think that anyone cares what you believe?" Let's turn that question back on you, blow-hard. Is it true you've petitioned TFP to up the limit of posts to 10,000 words? You bloviating gas-bag."

Why all the hate Jack_? Bwahahahahater.

September 10, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “Apparently you know nothing of her body of work. She's perfect for MSNBC.”

But how is this relevant to the critical issue, Jack? In this case, Norah O’Donnell is not the one who is running for public office and is not the one denying their vote for the Budget Control Act of 2011, which necessitated the $500 billion in defense reductions. Paul Ryan is the candidate and It’s Paul Ryan that voted for the Budget Control Act of 2011, which necessitated the $500 billion in defense reductions. Do we or do we not want truth in politics?

September 10, 2012 at 11:14 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Excuse me. I've gathered that the only critical issue for the dems was about reproductive rights. That consumed 95% of the convention, no?

September 10, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
dude_abides said...

BRP says... "This part of our voting population is badly compromising the voting results."

That statement sounds like something that would have been uttered in the run up to the events BRP posted a link to in his very next text!

September 10, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

<<<< the real POTUS.

September 10, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
miraweb said...

With all the ways there might be of judging the human heart, I suspect God rarely checks to see what is engraved on a the U.S. quarter nor takes it very seriously.

I do wonder where this idea comes from that God is like some insecure 8th grader who is worried about what some girl said in geography this morning.

It seems like God would have better things to do.

September 10, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: a rare agreement.

September 10, 2012 at 12:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Let's turn that question back on you, blow-hard. Is it true you've petitioned TFP to up the limit of posts to 10,000 words? You bloviating gas-bag."

I've got something you can bloviate, you whining waste of space.

September 10, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: Are you being coached by Easy123 and Dude_? Getting more vile by the day.

September 10, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
miraweb said...

As long as we're being agreeable I'll confess that even I was getting weary of the "lady-parts" afternoon of the DNC convention.

Now - back to the war . . .

September 10, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
dude_abides said...

All right Jack_! Agreeing that pasting religion all over currency doesn't impress God! If Myth would realize this and stop running around with Pat f**king Robertson he might stop his slide in the polls.

September 10, 2012 at 1:29 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

<<<< real VPOTUS.....Herr Axlerod looks a bit like dude_'s role model, no?

September 10, 2012 at 1:31 p.m.
ibshame said...

Paul Ryan is a bold-faced liar. None of his excuses for voting for the sequester is going to change the fact HE DID VOTE FOR IT.

September 10, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Does the democrat platform have some statement about maximizing the number of idiots and ignoramuses that vote?

September 10, 2012 at 1:40 p.m.
dude_abides said...

He's got Jack's tiny testes...

IN HIS HANDS

He's got tu_'s saggy bosom...

IN HIS HANDS

He's got joneses' brain intestines...

IN HIS HANDS

HE'S GOT THE WHOLE WORLD IN HIS HANDS

September 10, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: so effin talented

September 10, 2012 at 1:53 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... Idiot … he didn’t deny that he voted for the sequester and in fact he admitted he did. So that being true why should we consider your above post to be anything but the ravings of a loon?

The issue is if his vote, for specific sequester cuts, were in the defense budget or other parts of the government. I think his statements, I posted above, answer that issue and puts the lie to the meme that you Fleabaggers are trying to push."

No, he doesn't get a pass for his vote. No more so than your kind gave John Kerry a pass for his vote to go to war in Iraq. He also explained why he voted for the war before he voted against it but your kind BRANDED him a flip-flopper and a liar. Now you want everyone to believe Paul Ryan is no less of a flip-flopper because he tries to put the blame for his vote on the shoulders of Barack Obama. It didn't work for Kerry and it's not going to work for Ryan. Try selling your BS someplace else it doesn't work with me.

September 10, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Ryan thinks twisting and excepting and pettifogging is going to work for him, though it's rarely worked for other politicians. I guess it depends on what the definition of VOTE is. Maybe he knows of another option to "Yea or Nay"... perhaps he voted "Naybe."

September 10, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_... no matter how half-assed an effort I throw on here, you always manage to out half-ass me. I expect a grunt in reply to this post.

September 10, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.
alprova said...

grunt

September 10, 2012 at 2:25 p.m.
alprova said...

Sorry

September 10, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: Now that's more like it.

September 10, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

lol

September 10, 2012 at 2:31 p.m.
alprova said...

The Truth About Mitt

"Well, that didn’t take long."

"Under questioning from David Gregory on NBC’s Meet the Press on Sunday, Mitt Romney reverted to type — the basically moderate Massachusetts Republican he was before he decided that he wanted to be the nominee of a party whose base has moved ever further rightward since the nomination of Barry Goldwater half a century ago."

Read more: http://ideas.time.com/2012/09/10/the-truth-about-mitt/#ixzz265pi3A6y

September 10, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

President Obama's Obama legislative affairs director and former budget aide Rob Nabors, chastised Senate Democrats who didn't want to agree to any cuts in order to close the deficit, saying that taxes on millionaires would never raise enough to avoid spending cuts.

Anyone with half a functioning neuron knows this....Reason for the left's insistence? Clearly class warfare...class envy....But hey, what else have they got to talk about. Certainly not the record. Lots of Dems being duped.

September 10, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
miraweb said...

The problem is, there lies silliness, TQQ.

I mean - can you really explain to me why it does not say "In God We Trust" on your ATM card?

September 10, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

DemocRATs said polygraphn reader worked for Bain too. Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.

September 10, 2012 at 3:45 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu_quoque said... "TheDud... blah, blah, blah.

Anchors Away French Looking Gigolo Poodle Boy !!"

The phrase is anchors aweigh, foolish person. You probably coined the term 'duck tape.' Now, go contemplate your naval

You know, it just occurred to me that 'nooga must be right about you being a land lubber! Anyone with a 'Hatteras' would know the anchor doesn't need to be away!

September 10, 2012 at 4:43 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

ibshame: It's bald-faced. Not "bold-faced". If you're going to call someone a liar, at least get it right.

"The original term seems to have been bald-faced (bare-faced) and refers to a face without whiskers. Beards were commonly worn by businessmen in the 18th and 19th century as an attempt to mask facial expressions when making business deals. Thus a bald-faced liar was not a very good liar, and was not able to lie without the guilt showing on his face".

"Bold-faced' has only been used for the last five years or so by people who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

September 10, 2012 at 4:59 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Among the many falsehoods pushed at last week’s Democratic Convention is that this is the party of the people, unafraid to hold Corporate America responsible for its many ills. Judging by the records of the last two Democratic administrations, just the opposite appears to be true. Certainly, President Obama and, to some extent, Bill Clinton like to talk a good game in terms of class warfare, but under both men, real corporate crime-fighting has been at best a side issue — despite the immense amounts of white-collar fraud their administrations faced.

UPI Corzine: Well-connected Democrat is facing no charges despite losing $1.6 billion — whereas Bush team jailed Republican fat cats.

In fact, neither Obama nor Clinton can hold a candle to the corporate crime-fighting record of George W. Bush, that supposed lapdog for large corporate interests.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/soft_on_wall_street_hLRbrpn9LH6QULzx47UcaI#ixzz266RuMxdA

September 10, 2012 at 5:04 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_que_quo asked: What is your position on God being mentioned on our currency and in the Libtard Party platform?

Well, Tu, I will only say that I know what Jesus thought of money and the moneychanger types – and it wasn’t much. Personally, I find it intriguing that it has been politicians who have opted to put God’s name on coins. I say this because it’s not like politicians are known far and wide for their honesty and trustworthyness when it comes to money matters.

As to Romney’s "coin" promise, I must admit that I find his promise somewhat amusing since Romney has made a career of carving out huge money profits for himself and and leaving everyone else holding the bag. But maybe this is why Romney is so noisy about God’s name on coins – he’s hoping that it will make the public forget how much he loves that money stuff.

In regard to your question about the concept of separation of church and state and the Democratic Platform, I fully agree with what Thomas Jefferson said in his letter to the Danbury Baptist Associate in 1802. As you may recall, the original text reads:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

September 10, 2012 at 5:06 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Seems there is some argument for ibshame, if ibshame intended bold faced as having to do with bold faced typeface. What do you think about tu's remarkable blunder, toes?

September 10, 2012 at 5:09 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Dude_Abides said: "Ryan thinks twisting and excepting and pettifogging is going to work for him, though it's rarely worked for other politicians. I guess it depends on what the definition of VOTE is. Maybe he knows of another option to "Yea or Nay"... perhaps he voted "Naybe."

Funny and to the point post, Dude_Abides. I’ve been reading a lot about the Ryan Budget lately and I suspect that Mr. Ryan and Mr. Romney may doing a lot more “twisting, excepting, and pettifogging” within the next few weeks. Indeed, the Ryan budget is a sinkhole, and I suspect that there are a lot of Republicans out there who are not going to be pleased:

“The Ryan budget contains an $897 billion sinkhole: massive but unexplained cuts in such discretionary domestic programs as education, food and drug inspection, workplace safety, environmental protection and law enforcement.

The scope of the cuts – stunning in their breadth — is hidden. To find the numbers, turn to page 16 of the Concurrent Resolution on the Budget – Fiscal Year 2013. In Table 2, Fiscal Year 2013 Budget Resolution Discretionary Spending, in the far right hand column, you’ll see the nearly $897 billion figure, which appears on the line marked “BA” for Budget Authority under Allowances (920) as $896,884 (because these figures are listed in millions of dollars). . .

. . . Ryan’s plan was passed 228-191 by the House on March 29, 2012, with no Democrats voting yes. On May 16, the Senate rejected the plan by a vote of 58-41. The vote among Senate Republicans was 41-4 in favor.

While the Ryan budget does specify cuts in programs serving the poor, many of whom are Democratic constituents (Medicaid, food stamps, unemployment benefits), it hides under the abstruse veil of “Function 920 allowances” the cuts in programs popular with many other voters.

The lack of detail in the Ryan budget applies mainly to programs of importance to the voters Republicans continue to angle for, including swing voters concerned about programs like education, environmental protection and food safety.”

http://campaignstops.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/09/edsall-the-ryan-sinkhole/

September 10, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
potcat said...

limric posted 9/9,9:42 was right on!! I'm still writing limric and harp in for the Presidential election. My vote does'nt count because i live in TN. and since i've never voted other than Democrat, i would be hard pressed to vote for Obama again, fool me once......

Why are the Thieves on WAll Sreet still in business and not in jail??? They are at the White House running things!!!

No worries Dem's, unless the Repugnants can manage to steal the swing states, which they're hard at work trying to pull off.

September 10, 2012 at 6:23 p.m.
dude_abides said...

"The distancing (of republicans from the plan) ranges from subtle to stark. Some first-time House candidates, unencumbered by a vote on the Ryan plan, have told local news media outlets that they have not and will not endorse the proposals found in the vice-presidential nominee’s budget. Some veteran lawmakers who voted for the plan are demurring on whether it will be the party’s policy blueprint, while the few in tough races who voted against it have made their opposition a calling card."

On ABC’s “This Week,” Ryan argued that the campaign is keeping the details (on which loopholes will close) under wraps in the spirit of openness. Middle class conservatives buy that crap? Christ, I've got to invent 'gun nuts' or something! They'll buy anything.

September 10, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

tu... mea culpa regarding the duck/duct tape. I need to not mess with people who've been around since early last century. However, I'm not buying your anchor revision. Too much colorization in the second version. You were saying bon voyage, not "here, carry this anchor to the whale shat."

September 10, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

I truly believe both parties have it wrong, wrong, wrong. The tax rates should revert to the old rates or higher and earned income credits eliminated. The medicare/medicaid premiums and taxes should be increased to equal cost of the programs. Until people start paying for what they demand nothing will change. As long as living on borrowed money mask the actual cost people like mountainlaurel will keep their ostrich position and act like there is no problem just keep running up the tab.

September 10, 2012 at 7:59 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"You on the other hand will always be a moron fingering Mom’s dictionary. Well at least we hope that is all that you are fingering."

Tu_quoque reminiscing about some digital manipulation with Mommy dearest. You should write a novel about your sexual escapades. Call it "50 Shades of WTF?"

You truly are a sexual deviant.

ROTFLMFAO!

September 10, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.
MTJohn said...

mountainlaurel said..."In regard to your question about the concept of separation of church and state and the Democratic Platform, I fully agree with what Thomas Jefferson said in his letter to the Danbury Baptist Associate in 1802. As you may recall, the original text reads:

"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between Church and State."

History is a peculiar thing. When you think about the separation of church and state in this country, it evolved in large measure to protect the Baptists from the Episcopalians. Now, today, it is largely folks whose religion developed out of the Baptist tradition who are trying to impose their understanding of Christianity on the rest of us.

September 10, 2012 at 9:30 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Anybody seen the trailer for the new Clint Eastwood movie? They really should not have shown him trying to pitch. It looks like he's never had a baseball in his hand. He's a lefty, too, to beat all.

September 10, 2012 at 11:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

Would you support an amendment that required tax revenue be equal to government spending?

September 10, 2012 at 11:34 p.m.

Nope, because that's not solving the problem, just implementing a dogmatic restriction in order to disguise the real issue by cloaking it with a purported safeguard that will just be used to foster more abuses.

If we're talking Amendments, I've got about a dozen ideas that would better serve the American people than yet another foolish attempt to hamstring politicians with a tool they'll really just use to abuse the people.

September 11, 2012 at 10:40 a.m.
Lookingback said...

Obama is the serial liar. Everytime his lips move you can be sure another lie is being told. The donkey definitely should be in this cartoon.

How can Bennett be so stupid?

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