published Tuesday, September 11th, 2012

Bennett Archive: The Barometer

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jack_Dennis said...

Just plain silly

September 11, 2012 at 1:05 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Not silly at all. This cartoon has nothing to do with right or left, conservative or liberal. Bennett is not pointing fingers or laying blame; he's simply giving an accurate depiction of the way things are in our economy today and how they likely will continue to be. If you Bennett haters cannot curb your usual unoriginal, silly, derogatory comments over a cartoon as benign as this, then your hatred for the guy is truly over the top. He could draw a simple straight line and nothing more and you knee-jerk Bennett bashers would still whine about how "liberal" his line is!

September 11, 2012 at 1:39 a.m.
fairmon said...

Zero interest policy is killing the middle class and seniors that depend on savings earnings. Lower interest rates certainly doesn't give lenders an incentive to make loans to the middle income and lower income folks other than guaranteed or insured loans.

September 11, 2012 at 3:54 a.m.
fairmon said...

Would you support an amendment that required taxes and other revenue equal or exceed spending? It is too easy for people to demand more and more when there is no discomfort regarding the cost. The government debt mask the true cost therefore people in general are like a teenager with a credit card with someone else paying all charges above their small contribution.

September 11, 2012 at 4:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

These are some programs I was told congress has proposed cutting: m=millions b=billions. Which can you not do without? Corporation for Public Broadcasting $445m
America's Treasures Program -$25m. Ireland fund$17m. Legal Services Corporation -$420m Arts -$167.5m. Humanities -$167.5m. Hope VI Program -$250m. Amtrak Subsidies -$1.565b. Duplicated education programs -$1.3b. U.S. Trade Development Agency - $55m. Woodrow Wilson Center Subsidy - $20m. Congress printing and binding budget -$47m. John C. Stennis Center Subsidy-$430,000. Community Development Fund -$4.5b. Heritage Area Grants and Statutory Aid -$24m. Federal Travel Budget in Half -$7.5b Federal Vehicle Budget by 20%-$600m. Essential Air Service-$150m. Technology Innovation Program-$70 m. Manufacturing Extension Partnership-$125m. Department of Energy weatherization Grants-$530m. Beach Replenishment-$95m. New Starts Transit-$2b. Exchange Programs for Alaska Natives, Native Hawaiians-$9m Intercity and High Speed Rail Grants-$2.5b. Title X Family Planning -$318m. Appalachian Regional Commission- $76m. Economic Development Administration- $293m. National and Community Services Act- $1.15b. Applied Research at Department of Energy -$1.27b. Freedom CAR and Fuel Partnership- $200m. Energy Star Program -$52m. Economic Assistance to Egypt -$250m. U.S. Agency for International Development -$1.39b. District of Columbia -$210m. Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority -$150m. Presidential Campaign Fund -$775m over ten years. Federal office space acquisition -$864m. Repeal the Davis-Bacon Act -More than $1 billion. Require the IRS to deposit fees for some services it offers (such as processing payment plans for taxpayers) to the Treasury, instead of allowing it to remain as part of its budget -$1.8b over ten years. Require collection of unpaid taxes by federal employees -$1b.
Prohibit taxpayer-funded union activities by federal employees -$1.2b over ten years. Sell excess federal properties the government does not make use of -$15b. Eliminate death gratuity for Members of Congress. Eliminate Mohair Subsidies -$1m. Eliminate taxpayer subsidies to the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change -$12.5m
Eliminate Market Access Program - $200m. USDA Sugar Program -$14m. Subsidy to Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) -- $93m. Eliminate the National Organic Certification Cost-Share Program-$56.2m. Eliminate fund for Obamacare administrative -$900m. Ready to Learn TV Program -$27m
* TOTAL SAVINGS: $2.5 Trillion over Ten Years

Some special interest initiated each and will object to ending it.

September 11, 2012 at 5:08 a.m.
skiiiii664 said...

Yes, after 3 1/2 years of obama in the White House, the economic barometer is "fair" at best, even if you are rich. It is "stormy" and "rainy" for the poor and middle class. And it is going to continue that way if this inexperienced person continues to occupy the Oval Office. obama told the rich that things were going to be "fair" under his administration when he spread their hard earned wealth but........ What happened to the better life that he was going to bring the poor and middle class? It just is not happening. Oh wait, it's Bush' fault.....let's give obama another 4 years???

September 11, 2012 at 6:34 a.m.
EaTn said...

The barometer and today's calender should be a reminder of how the right-wing faction of this country used post 9/11 as an excuse to strip us of many of our freedoms, start the Iraq war, speed-up the snowball national debt and use government spending and other monetary policies to make some richer and many more poorer.

September 11, 2012 at 6:59 a.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn said...

The barometer and today's calender should be a reminder of how the right-wing faction of this country used post 9/11 as an excuse to strip us of many of our freedoms

Could be right EaTn..Give me liberty or give me death is no longer the mantra of this spineless, wimpy government dependent society. It is now come on big bro, take care of all of us, protect me from my ignorance, don't make me work so hard, give me some of theirs, shame on them they are not sharing enough with me.

September 11, 2012 at 7:39 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Rickyroo: Bennett is a divider. It's not complicated. He simply spouts the leftist ideology via crayons. There's forecast of doom is assured only by continuing the "spend our way" out of it fixation that you southpaws back. This economy is stagnating. Time for a change.

September 11, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Here's a bit of greed for you: Chicago teachers unions average salary=$76,000 a year.

Amount of raise offered but refused by said teachers unions=16%

September 11, 2012 at 8:53 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

TOES: Clearly another example of unions gone wild. Sad. "Workers of the world unite!!! Yuck. (THUG-IN-CHIEF RAHM MUST BE CONFLICTED ON THIS ONE)

September 11, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
mymy said...

Rickaroo: Your Obama has made it worse! If re-elected, it will continue downward for all.

harp3339: Just wait and see what Big Ben does to help Obama more before the election.

The Left just doesn't get it!

September 11, 2012 at 8:58 a.m.
mymy said...

57 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/direction of country, etc.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock!

Today’s is the day everyone should research radical Islam. Our and the world's constant enemy.

Obama’s foreign policy shows his favoritism to our enemies, yes this includes Russia with Putin back in charge!

http://www.radicalislam.org/

September 11, 2012 at 9 a.m.
GreenKepi said...

I actually feel sorry for poor Ol' President Obama...if he gets re-elected...look at “the mess” he’s going to inherit!

September 11, 2012 at 9:10 a.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "The Thug in Chief of Chicago sends his kids to $25,000 a year private schools."

So what? Is it a mortal sin to provide a decent education for your children these days, if you can afford it?

How many Republicans would you guess that have placed their kids in private schools?

My wife attended private schools right here in the Chattanooga area, and her parents both worked at Little Debbie.

September 11, 2012 at 9:16 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I have a personal theory that this strike is a planned event just for the reelect Obama campaign. I think they all planned and made up this "crisis". In my opinion, Rahm and his friends the unions got together and decided to help Obama by "inventing" a "crisis" that Obama would no doubt arrive at and strongly "negotiate" and put an end to the fake "crisis". Thus, making Obama look like he's a strong leader. Giving him a hero's welcome when he arrives back to the white house.

Seriously, if you look carefully at the "striking" teachers, they look more like they're at a pep rally rather than a strike fighting for their cause. They're all laughing and joking around like kids at recess.

I say this because #1, Rahm was the one who invented the term,"never let a good crisis go to waste". And #2, why would this just so happen to be in Chicago? Obama's home planet? There are no doubt many other major cities with Teachers' unions that make less money than Chicago, and they're not putting 400,000 kids on the shelf for more money.. Out of all the major cities in America, it just so happens to be in Chicago. The only city that they could actually pull off something like this. Just coincidence? Hmmmm.

Mark my words, Obama will be there before long, "doing his level best to end this crisis". What a fraud.

September 11, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo: How DARE they work for Little Debbie?! That evil vile conglomerate of a corporation whose main purpose of existence is the manufacture and distribution of those unwholesome yet delicious snack cakes of pure sucrose that forces upon our children the treacheries of obesity and diabetes!! DAMN THEM TO HELL!! LOL!

September 11, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Toes: Sounds entirely plausible.

September 11, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Today’s is the day everyone should research radical Islam. Our and the world's constant enemy."

What's there to research? If the United States had not spent most of the last quarter of a century sticking their noses into the affairs of others by blowing up sovereign nations, killing hundreds of thousands of innocent people in the process, then there might not be all these people running around with hate in their hearts.

"Obama’s foreign policy shows his favoritism to our enemies, yes this includes Russia with Putin back in charge!"

An oft repeated Fox News Network accusation with absolutely no basis whatsoever.

You really need to expand your choice of sources for your information. You are thoroughly brainwashed, probably beyond all hope at this point.

Coincidentally, and something that came as no surprise to me, your supplied link has all kinds of ties to current and former Fox News personalities.

Sean Hannity? Glenn Beck? An entire contributing staff who present the religion of Islam consistently as one that embraces hate and violence?

It's a shame that they don't direct just a little attention and investigation into how Christianity has been bastardized and amended by people to justify hate and violence for as long as it has existed on this planet.

September 11, 2012 at 9:41 a.m.
Leaf said...

Since we're kinda on a nautical theme, "a rising tide lifts all boats." We're in this together. What's good for the middle class - the majority of Americans - is good for everyone.

September 11, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo: Could you elaborate on those "hundreds of thousands" of innocent people that the U.S.A. have blown up in the last quarter of a century before 9/11?

September 11, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Yeah ALPO, it's the Christian's fault. Seems to follow right along with the blame America first crowd. BTW, many Fox viewers think Hannity is a bore and Beck is a sick man. A broad brush you carry, Mr. Master-Gasbag.

September 11, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Leaf said..."Since we're kinda on a nautical theme, "a rising tide lifts all boats." We're in this together. What's good for the middle class - the majority of Americans - is good for everyone."

Right, except that "trickle down" swamps all boats except the largest yachts.

September 11, 2012 at 9:52 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo: Are you saying that PMSnbc is the beacon of truth?

September 11, 2012 at 10:01 a.m.
mymy said...

Obama and Democrats want to conquer America, not unite it

The system is rigged. America is unjust. Opportunity is dead. You didn’t build that.

Dammit, where’s mine?

Oh, and Republicans are the people who rigged the system. They’re trying to take away your rights to vote, to health care, to education, to housing. They hate women, gays and immigrants. They don’t pay their fair share and they’re un-American.

Barack Obama lights candles, Mitt Romney spreads darkness, and Osama bin Laden is dead.

There, I saved you the time of watching the Democratic convention. For three grating days, demands for more government spending were coupled with sweeping character assassinations of Romney. The GOP is not just wrong; it is immoral.

Don’t agree? You’re not patriotic.

It turns out that the party that left God out of its platform has a religious zeal for its leader. “We believe in Barack Obama,” Sen. John Kerry thundered, to uproarious applause.

Folks, we’ve entered Dear Leader territory.

The wild, outlandish claims that America is corrupt, Republicans are super-villains and Obama is a super-hero were made by every speaker over three raucous nights. A president, a first lady, a former president, a sitting vice president, top members of Congress, labor leaders, celebrities, fathers, mothers, sons and daughters, blacks, whites, Latinos — all stayed on the scorched-earth message softened only by homilies to Obama.

Something shocking is happening to the Democratic Party. Its committed adherents are whipping themselves into a frenzy of grievance that justifies seeing their fellow Americans as both evil and a free-cash machine.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/09/10/obama-and-democrats-want-to-conquer-america-not-unite-it/#ixzz26AaWD7K2

September 11, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.
degage said...

An interesting article from 1949 "Ode to Welfare"

powerlineblog.com/archives/2011/12/ode-to-welfare-state.php

September 11, 2012 at 10:07 a.m.

Hey now, some people might want some rain.

Right?

harp3339: No, I would not support such a dogmatic amendment that would only be used to justify abuses and exploitation rather than solve any actual problem.

See...debt isn't necessarily bad. Otherwise we'd actually have to close bank loans, monthly and force everybody to operate on a cash carry basis. Somehow I doubt anybody except a few religious fundamentalists would get behind that idea. It's too obviously a radical solution that would never work.

But for government, it seems just like it'd solve everything, because people can just blind themselves from the disruption it would really cause. Hey wait, that's just like the problem you say is existing to cause the problem you have.

Why is that?

But actually, the mantra of many here seems to be: Allow me my ignorance, keep the government from not letting me be free to abuse and mistreat others, if they aren't strong enough on their own, they deserve what happens to them, shame on them for daring to say they are worthy of anything but disdain. It's a culture of self-interest.

It's really interesting how perception matters.

September 11, 2012 at 10:51 a.m.
conservative said...

And the recommended solution for the economy by the Socialists/Liberals/Demoncrats is more regulation ( more jobs for more regulators, at he expense of even more real jobs ), increase and extend unemployment benefits ( the stimulus recommended by economist Nancy Pelosi ), more people on food stamps for the able bodied ( this frees up their spending money for heavily taxed tobacco and alcohol ), more non productive government jobs with much higher salaries and benefits than similar jobs in the private sector ( buying Socialist/Liberal/Demoncrat votes ), and let's not forget a carbon tax on everything ( for the purpose of increasing revenue, under the ruse of saving the planet) and "green" scams ( where we pay much higher cost for electricity and transportation than necessary because people are dumber than a box of rocks!).

September 11, 2012 at 10:57 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

NBC’s ‘Today’ Skips 9/11 Moment Of Silence For Kardashian Interview

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/nbcs-today-skips-911-moment-of-silence-for-kardashian-interview_b145281

nbc is one fuc#ed up organization.

September 11, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Conservative,

Lies, misinformation and ignorance. Those are the themes featured in your most recent post.

September 11, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bulbs: It IS interesting. It depends on who you think is being abused. If rights are taken from one group, does that justify rights being given to another? Have you been abused, Bulbs? Disdain cuts both ways Bulbby. Right now it seems to be placed on the mythical 1%. (all you mythical one per centers need to feel guilty and divest yourselves from any wealth) I think a robust, thriving economy would cure a lot of ills, Bulbs. What about you?

September 11, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
mymy said...

I too think there is something smelly about the timing to the Chicago Teacher's Strike.

Liberals protect the unions (big part of their base)!

The Department of Educations needs to go along with teacher's unions!

Return control to the STATES!

September 11, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Conservative: *

September 11, 2012 at 12:08 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mymy: Prepare to see The Omnipotent One pull this one out of the fire at the 11th hour. All staged, of course, by his cadre of chicago thugs.

September 11, 2012 at 12:21 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Yep, that is what happens under the yoke of big government. The government/industry cronies benefit while everyone else stands in breadlines and drives Yugo’s.

September 11, 2012 at 12:25 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I sincerely hope everyone takes a few moments out of this day to remember all of the men and women that died on 9/11 and all of the soldiers that have served in the military over the past 11 years.

I know we bicker here a lot but we should never forget these people. They deserve to be in our thoughts daily, especially on this day.

http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/memorial/lists/by-name/

http://apps.washingtonpost.com/national/fallen/

Hug your family tight today and tell them you love them, thank a soldier, and remember these people.

September 11, 2012 at 12:32 p.m.
mymy said...

Unbelievable how many people have been dumbed down by and dependent on the Liberals who could care less about them or this country just power over them/us!

Four more years of Obama and this country will be nothing but a sad story in the history books!

September 11, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

A rare agreement with The Ease.

September 11, 2012 at 12:37 p.m.
mymy said...

Easy, do not forget the war with radial Islam is not over!

http://www.radicalislam.org/

September 11, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
degage said...

Not offten if ever I agree with Easy, today he is right on about 9-11. Thanks easy , all of us no matter our political views should remember those who lost thier lives that day and the young men in the military that have lost thier lives since.

September 11, 2012 at 1 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: “Yeah ALPO, it's the Christian's fault.”

Speaking of Christians, I noted the televangelist that Mitt Romney campaigned with this weekend has some advice for a husband whose wife is giving him trouble and does not recognize the husband's "authority" as head of the household:

“On Monday's broadcast of Robertson's television show "The 700 Club," he answered a question from a viewer named Michael about how to repair his marriage to a woman who "has no respect for me as the head of the house."

Robertson's response: "Well, you could become a Muslim and you could beat her."

Bizarrely, this comment elicited laughter from Robertson's co-host, Terry Meeuwsen. Unfortunately, Robertson didn't stop there.

"I don’t think we condone wife-beating these days but something has got to be done to make her."

He also called the woman a "rebellious child" who doesn't want to "submit to any authority."

However, since the Scripture doesn't allow for divorce, Robertson urged the husband to "move to Saudi Arabia," where, ostensibly, beating the woman would be permissible."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/pat

September 11, 2012 at 1:18 p.m.

conservative, I'd rather pay more for cleaner electricity than even more expensive health care costs and pollution clean-up.

And you know what's really costly? Not having regulations that prevent various abuses and exploitation. I suppose you can fire your way to prosperity, after all, if you don't have to pay people to work, you can pretend that the things they could be doing won't be going wrong.

As usual.

Jack_Dennis, the 1% seem to be doing quite well, so do the corporations sacking away profits.

Who is suffering in this economy? What is really thriving? If you think it's the people on welfare, you're sadly mistaken.

You remind me of a bully who is finally faced with somebody who stands up to them, who goes crying that they're the victim.

As usual, for you, it's the pitiful top 1% of wealth-owners who have everything that are being forced to suffer.

But you know what causes things to rise up? Pressure from the bottom, not more weight on the top. That tends to cause a collapse.

You want to help the economy? Stop stifling it.

BigRidgePatriot, I haven't seen any breadlines, but you should ask Wal-Mart how much money they make from EBT and other programs.

But actually, there are many people who could use a smaller, more-efficient car. It would enable them to save more money. Or better yet, effective public transportation.

Easy123, sometimes I'm actually more distressed by people taking this one holiday...while ignoring the other 364 days a year.

It's like Easter Christians, they need to show up the rest of the year.

mountainlaurel, indeed, breaking the sacred vows of matrimony is truly so much worse than violence and oppression.

You're breaking your word to GOD, after all, and that's TERRIBLE!

After all, God went to the trouble of PERSONALLY approving your marriage.

September 11, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
potcat said...

Mymy, the public school system gets Federal money and a lot of it. Turning over all of the Department of Education to the states,especially TN.would be insane.

Tennessee legislature passed and opened the door for for - profit companies to operate publicly funded Virtual schools. its a online for - profit company school. Its a way to " they say," open the doors to fund home schoolers and those who just have trouble in traditional schooling. So far it has performed so badly as to be called " demonstrably poor" and unacceptable.

What the Republicans in Nashviile are really doing is using this as a gate way for private and Christian schools to get their hands on state and Federal money that should forever and always go to the Publc School System. Hey, thats the Repugnants for you, a bunch of ignorant greedy Liars bowing to Lamar and the Public schools anti-union Lobby whores one and all. !

September 11, 2012 at 1:21 p.m.
degage said...

Happy I believe all of us that saw what happened on 9-11 have not forgotten the other 364 days. WE fly our flag daily or at least every day weather permits. And if you notice liberal and conservative on this site often mention our young men and women serving in the military. About the only thing we agree on.

September 11, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Where's the cartoon about the "Fast and Furious" report Clay?

September 11, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Happywithbulbs said: "Breaking the sacred vows of matrimony is truly so much worse than violence and oppression."

Indeed, Happywithbulbs. As Marie Fortune once said about Mitt Romney’s televangelist pal shortly after the stupidity of his “pastoral” response to the tragedy of the Haiti earthquake:

“O God, Deliver Us for the Pat Robertsons of This World.”

September 11, 2012 at 2:20 p.m.
Leaf said...

"And if you notice liberal and conservative on this site often mention our young men and women serving in the military. About the only thing we agree on."

Oh, I don't know. I think we agree on a lot of things. I think we agree that it's usually not guns that kill people, it's bullets and velocity. I guess you could beat someone to death with a gun, but that would be inefficient.

I think we agree that teenage pregnancy is unfortunate. Especially if it is due to rape and/or incest. We may not agree on who to punish for it though.

I think we agree that Hussein is an unfortunate middle name to have in American politics.

I think we agree that there is too much lobbying and influence peddling in Washington, and we're not getting our share of it.

I think we agree that Jack Dennis spends way too much time on his avatars.

I think we agree that TOES knows how to cut and paste very well.

I think we agree that tu_quoqe can stretch a mixed metaphor so thin you can use it to slash your wrists so you don't have to read another one.

See, we have a lot in common.

September 11, 2012 at 2:23 p.m.
mymy said...

potcat: The public educational system is broke. The whole country is at a breaking point.

The Federal government needs to be out of it and a lot of other things. They can’t run anything efficiently. It has become too political. Leave it to the states and citizen to come up with something new. Easier for citizens to fight within one state vs. big federal government: One size fits all mentality. The unions are the whores!!!!!!!!

If one thing doesn’t work, try something else. More money is not the answer, because......many of the problems are society/homes/no parenting today which contribute tremendously to the situation!

Now, do you think that is going to change? I don’t. Society is broke and with each generation it gets worse, most get dumber and become Fluke’s who want someone else to pay for their bad choices. Yes, they become liberals who want government to take care of them! My heart is getting colder every day(survival tactic-take care of mine first) my country goes down the tubes of history. More and more people have no personal responsibility for themselves. Then what happens? In the end everyone loses. Ever think beyond today? Every think beyond that government handout? Every think where the handout comes from? Ever think that the source of handouts is drying up faster every day Obama/Liberals and their Policies continue?

The country’s survival depends on a big U-turn! Now is the time!

Bo must Go

Romney/Ryan 2012!

September 11, 2012 at 2:27 p.m.
miraweb said...

If a capital gains tax break and two spoonfuls of deregulation could solve it all, Mitt would be your man.

Unfortunately, those seem to be the only ideas he's put out there.

September 11, 2012 at 2:44 p.m.
degage said...

Sorry Leaf I don't agree with any thing liberal of which you are. You are a sorry sob to use 9-11 post to put down others. Today is a day we should stop the petty crap and think about the loss of americans before and after 9-11.

September 11, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Last time I checked, Robertson isn't running for president.

Bulbous: I've never been called a bully before. Way to go. I'm not crying and I'm not a victim. (victimhood is in the left's purview)

Leaf: The avatars are easy and I have the time. You should try it. May I suggest the choom leaf?

mymy: You make good sense, pal.

September 11, 2012 at 3:25 p.m.
mymy said...

miraweb: Do you think capital gains tax is only paid by the rich? Think again, a lot of average Joe's saving for retirement have to pay it also.

"That darn Internal Revenue Service. They want a cut of every little penny we earn. Income taxes are one thing, but the IRS also wants a percentage of any money we make from the sale of stocks, real estate and other capital assets. That’s where the dreaded capital gains tax comes in."

http://money.howstuffworks.com/personal-finance/personal-income-taxes/capital-gains-tax.htm

September 11, 2012 at 3:40 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Miraweb said: "If a capital gains tax break and two spoonfuls of deregulation could solve it all, Mitt would be your man. Unfortunately, those seem to be the only ideas he's put out there.

I heard that Mitt does have one new idea, Miraweb. As I understand it, Mitt is trying to learn to fly on an umbrella like Mary Poppins and plans to go door to door to middle class households with spoonfuls of sugar that is suppose to help this kind of crap go down:

"Casino mogul Sheldon Adelson . . . has vowed to spend as much as $100 million to help sway the 2012 election. According to a new report by Seth Hanlon. . . at the Center for American Progress Action Fund, Adelson could turn that investment into a $2 billion tax cut if Romney is elected. From Hanlon's report on how Romney's tax plan could benefit Adelson:

Cut top tax rates, saving Adelson approximately $1.5 million on his annual compensation as chief executive of his casino company.

Maintain the special low rates on dividends, potentially saving Adelson nearly $120 million on a single year’s worth of dividends, more than enough to recoup his politi- cal donations.

Maintain the special low rates on capital gains, allowing Adelson to make back his political donations in capital gains tax cuts just by selling a fraction of his stock.

Provide a tax windfall of an estimated $1.2 billion to Adelson’s company, Las Vegas Sands Corp., on untaxed profits from its Asian casinos, as well as a tax exemption forfuture overseas profits. Adelson’s casinos already enjoy a special foreign tax exemp- tion from the Chinese administrative region of Macau, and Gov. Romney would make those foreign profits exempt from U.S. taxes as well.

Eliminate the estate tax, potentially providing a staggering $8.9 billion windfall to Adelson’s heirs.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/11/sheldon-adelson-2-billion-tax-cut-mitt-romney_n_1873683.html

September 11, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

L like the tee shirt I saw that said I will take a Mormon over a moron any time.

hwtnb said...to the question of requiring taxes be equal to government spending;

harp3339: No, I would not support such a dogmatic amendment that would only be used to justify abuses and exploitation rather than solve any actual problem.

abuses and exploitation more than now?

hwtnb also said....

See...debt isn't necessarily bad. Otherwise we'd actually have to close bank loans, monthly and force everybody to operate on a cash carry basis. Somehow I doubt anybody except a few religious fundamentalists would get behind that idea. It's too obviously a radical solution that would never work.

There was nothing about individual and personal debt decisions in the post. That is between the borrower and lender.

Personal debt is not necessarily bad. Government debt is not necessary and it is bad. Proof galore around the world now. It will not improve until people have to pay for government as they go and not be lulled into thinking it is not costing them anything.

How many people believe taxes on a business is not included in the price of the goods or services they buy from that business? How many people believe when they are told something is "free" actually believe it? How many people believe things like free birth control from insurers is actually free and that it is not costing anyone anything?

September 11, 2012 at 4:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

happywithbulbs.....is this 1:19 p.m. post sarcasm or are you serious?

mountainlaurel, indeed, breaking the sacred vows of matrimony is truly so much worse than violence and oppression.

You're breaking your word to GOD, after all, and that's TERRIBLE!

After all, God went to the trouble of PERSONALLY approving your marriage

September 11, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
potcat said...

America is not broke!!! How could we possibly be broke when we send Trillions of $$$$ to Counties all over the world??? Have a Embassy in Iraq that cost trillions, we did'nt go there to leave, the Cult started it and got it and guess who is going to be gaurding the biggest Embassy in the world, we are. Isreal,we give them and their Army so much money, if we stoped and kept it for America and quit sending our young to fight their wars we would be fine.

Just Isreal,Pakistan, Africa, Iraq, Afghanstan and Egypt ETC.ETC.ETC that the US gives them in the Trillions of $$$$ and even arms them and gives planes,tanks bombs and guns..... and we are broke. Stop the handouts to these countries and quit bringing in every #$^&%^#@ and take care of Americans first and start deporting all, and i'm not talking Mexicans either. Who pays for our Dams, roads, electrcity, schools, food ,meds "to be safe" and the safety net every one of you get in one way or another, "Federal money" Student loans, GI bill, headStart, Wic, Vacinations and when a tornado blows through who is there to help, Fema. It is'nt perfect but the states need, no has to have federal money or we would be in some deep poo. The Police, Firefighters and our state infrastucture all get Federal Grants.

Oh good lord man, what the hell kind of blinders have you got on????

9/11 happened because we let any thing into this country and even teach them how to fly a plane into a building, and then we feel so bad we let the Cult talk a Republican President into a war with a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and the American people bought it hook line and sinker, go figure!!

September 11, 2012 at 4:38 p.m.
miraweb said...

Capital gains are at an all time low now. If they were the special sauce, the economy should be roaring by now.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/01/18/opinion/011812krugman3/011812krugman3-blog480.jpg

September 11, 2012 at 5:25 p.m.
fairmon said...

The big money crowd is quietly moving their wealth to muni-bonds paying good interest rates that are exempt from local, state and federal taxes. Politicians use the rhetoric about taxing capital gains and the wealthy more to increase revenue. It won't work as anticipated, in fact tax revenue could and probably will become less.

September 11, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said...

Capital gains are at an all time low now. If they were the special sauce, the economy should be roaring by now.

Say what? Low capital gains don't attract investments.

September 11, 2012 at 6:18 p.m.
ibshame said...

Some people's memories are short, very short. If people want to go back to the policies that led this country to the brink of destruction then by all means they should vote for Mitt Romney. He's nothing more than George W. Bush Redux. The only difference between the two is the fact Romney has more money, and unlike W. he never served in the military. Of course W's service in the military was more fake than real in that he never actually went into combat instead he was sent to Alabama where he served as a Re-election cheerleader for one of Poppy's friends while he was suppose to be flying combat exercises over the fields of Alabama in search of any Viet Cong that might be lurking around.

That is the only difference between the two. Mitt Romney is a weakling and like W he will be manipulated by Neo-cons to continue the war in Afghanistan and more likely than not invade Iran. On the home front he will indeed cut taxes for millionaires and billionares because he will be indebted to them for their contributions to buy this election.

During his convention speech he longed for the days of old, if the American people elect him, he will get his wish. The Rich will get richer and the poor and middle class will be as they were during W's time in office SOL.

September 11, 2012 at 6:28 p.m.
mymy said...

potcat: we should cut back on foreign aid especially to our enemies such as Pakistan. I believe I heard Romney speak on the subject some time ago. I hope he does take a look at foreign aid and cuts back!!!!!!

I do not consider Israel an enemy and we should help them!!!!!!

9/11 was not the first attack, but the worse on our soil. As long as this country continues to be politically correct/blind, the enemy is slowly infiltrating this country, building their mosque and making their plan for another attack. These people are smart and PATIENT!!!!!

The Liberal left is doing the same, slowly destroying this country -- you fools!!!!!

Interesting:

http://www.radicalislam.org/analysis/grand-jihad-how-islam-and-left-sabotage-america

September 11, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Mymy,

"the enemy is slowly infiltrating this country, building their mosque and making their plan for another attack."

So all Muslims are the enemy, correct?

September 11, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Obama "too busy" to meet with Netanyahu. That's the spirit, Mr. Divider.

September 11, 2012 at 6:55 p.m.
mymy said...

easy: that's the problem---we don't know for sure!!!!!

September 11, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
alprova said...

Hatp3339 wrote: "The big money crowd is quietly moving their wealth to muni-bonds paying good interest rates that are exempt from local, state and federal taxes."

Then they are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. Municipal bonds are not risk-free, and they traditionally pay far less than other kinds of investments. In other words, the return on muni's, even if you ride them out to maturity, quite often pay far less than stocks and funds do, after taxes.

There also is no guarantee that scheduled interest payments will be forthcoming. Defaults happen quite often. Anybody placing all their eggs in that basket stand to make far less than they would making market investments, tax-free or not.

"Politicians use the rhetoric about taxing capital gains and the wealthy more to increase revenue. It won't work as anticipated, in fact tax revenue could and probably will become less."

All income, regardless of how it is earned, should be taxed the same, according to whatever tax rate one falls into when it is all added up.

There aren't enough tax-free munis for the upper class to buy up, even if they thought it was a better deal.

Savvy investors know where the money is made, even if it they pay taxes on earnings.

September 11, 2012 at 7:29 p.m.
alprova said...

Easy123 inquired: "So all Muslims are the enemy, correct?"

According to her sources of information, yes. Spend a few minutes on the site she has linked to three times today. What you will fail to read, is any mention of peace loving Muslims.

Every Muslim is viewed by the Fox News wing-flappers with suspicion.

September 11, 2012 at 7:35 p.m.
mymy said...

Al POOP: wrong. google radial islam and see what you get bozo!

This is one site: http://www.radicalislam.org/

September 11, 2012 at 7:44 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Mike Moran lost his brother. I will NEVER forget this badass.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1EoZ_nwYIk&feature=related

September 11, 2012 at 7:57 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "wrong. google radial islam and see what you get bozo!"

I'm wrong? I looked at the site this morning, thoroughly.

Since I am so wrong, then will you please post a link to one page on that site containing one sentence that makes reference to so much as one Muslim who does not present a threat to anyone in this country.

ONE!!

Easy123 asked you if all Muslims are the enemy, and you responded with "that's the problem---we don't know for sure!!!!!"

You contradict yourself.

If you're going to be wing-flapping chicken, at least try to be consistent.

September 11, 2012 at 8:07 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Sorry Leaf I don't agree with any thing liberal of which you are."

Now there's a shock...degage disagrees.

"You are a sorry sob to use 9-11 post to put down others."

Okay...it's time to put this day back into perspective.

Today is the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. They did not happen today.

Forgive me or don't forgive me, but life goes on and has for each of the eleven years that have passed since that horrible day. There isn't a soul in this country who was not affected in some manner by the events of that day, but nothing we say or do on this anniversary day will change what happened nor bring about a moment of world peace.

That aside, you called down someone else for making personal attacks by calling them a "sorry sob?" Geez Leweeze...

"Today is a day we should stop the petty crap and think about the loss of americans before and after 9-11."

That's strictly your opinion. Not everyone or anyone is duty bound to abide by any standard of behavior that you feel applies to this day.

Personally, I view your choice of wording to be far worse than what Leaf posted, and it indeed was also a personal and a petty attack.

Does the word hypocrite mean anything to you?

September 11, 2012 at 8:32 p.m.

Jack_Dennis, actually conservatives complain about being the victim all the time. It's part of your martyr complex.

harp3339, yes, the part to mountainlaurel was sarcasm. I added the last bit to make it even more clear, since I figured some people might miss it.

But actually, I do believe that the idea you are suggesting would have far worse abuses because you see it would be presented as a sacred standard, inviolable and unquestioned. It would be treated as the moral peak, and as such, it'd be perfect for using to justify abuses. There is no danger so great as somebody who is doing the right thing. There's a reason why sanctimony is dangerous.

That's because doing the right thing is so very important.

It's a tough world we live in, isn't it?

But your idea is flawed, since it presumes that the people in government can't be trusted, that they aren't responsible, nor are the people choosing them.

If that's the case, to such an extent that you need such restrictions, then you can't have any faith in the process at all.

Which means the whole government would be invalid.

You're attacking the wrong problem. It's not the spending. It's the choice in the people deciding. We couldn't have less involvement if we tried. Reform the system of selection of decision making, give us proportional representation instead of the broken FPTP system.

Watch things change. Without the negative consequences of your way.

Or just continue being a cynic, and thinking that the people will vote themselves piles of cash.

The only people doing that are the ones in power who are tricking us into supporting them. And you'll be playing right into their hands...assuming you're not thinking of yourself as one of them.

September 11, 2012 at 8:59 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "9/11 was not the first attack, but the worse on our soil."

You meant to type "worst," didn't you?

"As long as this country continues to be politically correct/blind, the enemy is slowly infiltrating this country, building their mosque and making their plan for another attack."

Muslims pre-date Christopher Columbus in what is now known as the United States. So do Mosques. Your ignorance on the subject is astounding.

Why not have the courage of your convictions, since you are so afraid of Muslims? Run on out to the first gun dealer you can find, buy a gun and lots of ammunition, then step on out there and start shooting anyone with olive or black skin, until you don't see anymore of them, or whenever you run out of ammunition, whichever occurs first.

When the police come to arrest you, use the GWB defense. "I was only launching a preemptive war!!"

"These people are smart and PATIENT!!!!!"

Unlike people like yourself, who are rather ignorant and who jump to illogical conclusions based on what they find linked to on Fox News dot com.

"The Liberal left is doing the same, slowly destroying this country -- you fools!!!!!"

Muslims and Islam have existed on this soil far longer than Christians. The U.S. Constitution's freedom of religion clause was negotiated in part by Muslims. Betcha didn't know that, did you?

In 1776, John Adams published "Thoughts on Government," in which he praises the Islamic prophet Muhammad as a "sober inquirer after truth" alongside Confucius, Zoroaster, Socrates, and other thinkers.

Prior to 2001, Muslim-Americans were more likely to support the Republican Party, due to their social conservatism. In the 2000 Presidential election, 80% of Muslim-Americans supported GWB over Al Gore.

After the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, and as a result of anti-Muslim rhetoric from Republicans following the 9/11 attacks, support for the Republican Party by American-Muslims has nose dived.

In 2004, Muslim support of the Republicans had been reduced by at least half. A full 40% voted for John Kerry.

In 2008, Barack Obama got 67% to 90% of the Muslim vote depending on the region, and contrary to the belief by some, it had nothing to do with him being viewed as a fellow Muslim.

So, Miss mymy...by all means, please keep up the good job of driving the Muslim vote away from the Republicans with your utter and hopeless wing-flapping ignorance.

September 11, 2012 at 9:20 p.m.
mymy said...

Al: Maybe their true colors decided to come out!!!!

You can kiss my a$$. I feel this country has been infiltrated with radicals/enemies. They are smart and patient. Maybe your liberal a$$ will be six feet under if/when it happens just like your head is buried in the sand now as this country is being destroyed perhaps beyond repair by homegrown enemies like (?) Obama and his band of radicals/Democrats/Progressive/Liberals—whatever you call yourself. The homegrown have been working at it for decades and now this country is on the brink and you are so stupid you can’t see it. You are like a sheep being lead to slaughter. Don’t have a clue what is coming!!!!!!!!

You are in for a shock if you get your wish!!

Bo must Go!!!

Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!

September 11, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.
mymy said...

Good Night you Libitards. Sweet wet dreams about The One!!!

September 11, 2012 at 9:50 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Goodnight, halfwit.

September 11, 2012 at 10:04 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Obama "too busy" to meet with Netanyahu. That's the spirit, Mr. Divider."

Since when do foreign leaders have a right to demand to meet with the President of the United States on short notice?

Fox News even reported the simple fact that Netanyahu's request to meet with the President during the week he will be in the U.S., later this month, conflicts with the President's schedule, which was set weeks ago.

And you know what he wants to meet with the President about, don't you? He wants to get the President's support for Israel to bomb Iran.

Nope. If Israel wants to go down that road, they are going to do it all by their lonesome, and I don't blame the President for not wanting to be trapped into entertaining that conversation.

Supporting Israel doesn't mean that that the United States needs to include being dragged into Armageddon.

September 11, 2012 at 10:08 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "You can kiss my a$$."

Thank you for the solicitation, but I'm quite devoted to my wife, and I'm far too young for you, so it might be in your best interest to invite someone else to go wrinkle diving with their lips on your derrière.

"I feel this country has been infiltrated with radicals/enemies. They are smart and patient."

No need to repeat yourself. You made those two points earlier.

"Maybe your liberal a$$ will be six feet under if/when it happens just like your head is buried in the sand now as this country is being destroyed perhaps beyond repair by homegrown enemies like (?) Obama and his band of radicals/Democrats/Progressive/Liberals—whatever you call yourself."

Excuse me. I was wrong. You're not ignorant. You've now crossed the line and are now expressing abject stupidity.

"The homegrown have been working at it for decades and now this country is on the brink and you are so stupid you can’t see it. You are like a sheep being lead to slaughter. Don’t have a clue what is coming!!!!!!!!"

Oh please. Spare me your self-righteous, doomsday psychobabble.

"You are in for a shock if you get your wish!!"

Be sure to keep counting down those days.

"Bo must Go!!!"

Hold your breath.

"Romney/Ryan 2012!!!!"

Signs destined for trash cans all across the country, which will then be hauled to garbage dumps to join all the other political losers.

September 11, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You southpaw mopes have almost convinced me that converting to Islam may be the way to go. It's the wave of the future. I sincerely hope we haven't hurt any of their feelings.

September 11, 2012 at 10:44 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: You're right. Getting in 18 or maybe a visit to Letterman is way more important that discussing possible world conflagration. You mindless twit.

September 11, 2012 at 10:55 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "You southpaw mopes have almost convinced me that converting to Islam may be the way to go. It's the wave of the future. I sincerely hope we haven't hurt any of their feelings."

No one is asking you to convert to anything. Using a little of that brain matter is all that is required, in order to sort fact from fiction and reality from rhetoric.

"Alpo: You're right. Getting in 18 or maybe a visit to Letterman is way more important that discussing possible world conflagration. You mindless twit."

Oh please. Iran knows not to mess with Israel, despite any unwillingness on the part of President Obama to rush into yet another protracted war.

Netanyahu is becoming just a little unstable himself in response to Iran's empty rhetoric. He's all too willing to open a can of worms that would potentially kill millions of people.

Look, you can call me a "mindless twit" all day long, but the simple fact is that the last time we didn't wait, the United States tore up a sovereign nation to kill one man. We lost thousands. Iraq suffered the loss of hundreds of thousands of innocent people. We did not gain an ally from our efforts over there, and I seriously doubt we will gain an ally in Afghanistan either.

There is no good reason, at the current time, to start dropping bombs in Iran, Mr. armchair war drum beater.

September 12, 2012 at 12:05 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Who's beating war drums, you mindless twit? "Iran's empty rhetoric"? You're dumber than I thought, twit-boy.

September 12, 2012 at 12:57 a.m.
alprova said...

How many years has Iran been threatening Israel? How many times has Iran attacked Israel?

Yeah...it's empty rhetoric.

I'll just bet that you were a playground bully back when you were in school, during the Great Depression.

September 12, 2012 at 1:16 a.m.
alprova said...

صلى لجميع الناس على كوكب الأرض اليوم. جلبت رسالة إليكم من المسلمين المحبة السلام الأمريكية.

September 12, 2012 at 5:58 p.m.
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