published Friday, September 14th, 2012

5-at-10: Bleeping mailbag with Snoop Lion's endorsement, UT love/hate, UTC schedule and Braves rotation

Morning, we open today's festivities with a word from 5-at-10 political corespondent Snoop Lion. (You remember Snoop Dogg, right? Well, he changed his name and his persona from the gangsta rappin' Snopp D-O-double G to the reggae, laid-back Snoop Lion. We feel so good about this we may or may not go the rest of the afternoon by 5-Lion. Yes, we in fact will go 5-Lion for the rest of the day. It's in the books. Peace.)

Anyhoo, Snoop Lion offers his political endorsement to Obama because, and this is the quote folks, "We need to give Obama four more years. Bush bleeped it up for eight years, so you gotta at least give him eight years."

We're going to let that one sit there for a minute, emanating goodness for all to enjoy.

There you have it, the inverse advise to the "If it's not broke don't fix it" plan. Is this an equal-opportunity bleeping it up, and if that's the case where in the Bill of Rights are we guaranteed the chance to bleep it up, and if we are granted that right, do we get that right for eight years? We need to know these things, so we can plan our future bleeping it up. You dig?

This is 5-Lion saying enjoy the day and may your future be better than your current — and hey if it's not, just keep bleeping it up for the next four years, no problem.

From the "Talks too much" studios, let's get to the bleeping mailbag...

From Mr. Davis

Dear Five Lion (5-at-10),

I read John Frierson's article this morning about UTC officials trying to get more people in the stands and how they're discussing selling beer as a possible motivating factor for this. The solution is simple and I'm puzzled why UTC hasn't figured this out. Schedule "all" of your home games either on Thursday night or noon on Saturday. If they do this, I promise I'll attend. However, if they continue to schedule their home games late Saturday afternoon or evening, I promise I won't attend. I will be at home watching Div. 1 college football from 3:30 p.m. until 10:00 p.m. like everybody else. They can't stick their head in the sand and go up against Div. 1 football in this area. It's just that simple.

UTC has chosen to kick off against Samford in the 6:00pm time slot on the Third Saturday of October. I'll be watching the Vols take on the Tide on that day, and I made that decision never having even thought about whether or not I could buy a beer at Finley. This is laughable.

Mr. Davis,

Thanks for your question and for joining the show. We always welcome new company. Come on in and stay a spell. (That said, we had a record week here at the 5-at-10, er... 5-Lion, so we appreciate everyone being on their good behavior. Well everyone other than Spy.)

We think selling beer at Finley would help attendance some and help concessions a great deal.

We also agree with Mr. Davis that the Mocs should recognize and embrace the schedule of their SEC counterparts rather than confront it. On any given Saturday, there will be SEC conflicts because the league televises everything, but the noon option seems to be the most compelling. Juggling the schedule to avoid UT, Georgia or Alabama is always going to be tough for UTC since TV decides the SEC times. For example, we don't know what time the UT-UGA game will start 15 days from this one. So it goes.

We also agree that UTC should schedule at least one Thursday night game a season, and if possible more. The main reason for this would be trying to get more students to the game. UTC needs more fans — heck we all need more fans, even the 5-Lion — but UTC needs student involvement just as badly as it needs more fannies in the stands. When the students show, the energy level and the excitement rise. When the energy level and excitement rise, the enjoyment for all rise. This is especially true in hoops, but that's a discussion for another time.

There are a couple of hurdles with too many Thursday night games, though. First, it's a school night, and we heard of at least two folks say they were skipping last night's 35-0 pasting of Glenville State for that reason, and these are folks that likely would have taken their kids to a game tomorrow. The other is 7 p.m. kickoffs for most of the aging Mocs season-ticket holders is two hours after the early bird special at Mt. Vernon, half-past "Murder She Wrote" and getting real close to bed time. G'Night John Boy.

That said, we fully embrace as many Thursday night games as possible and think the standing noon kickoff is a pretty sound idea. Heck, approach T-Bones about some promotional deal like maybe the first beer is free with a UTC ticket stub for the 3:30 SEC kickoff. Win-win-win.

As our man Todd962 said earlier this week, "Hooray Beer."

We're the 5-Lion and we approved this message.

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From CelticVol

Hey 5@10,

I’m dizzy from all the Tennessee/Florida hype. I’m following Derek Dooley’s advice in not getting caught up in all of it. I’m staying away from all media outlets (except of course the 5@10). In order to get my mind off of it for a few seconds, I’ve got to ask you a question about the Braves pitching rotation. IF and that is a big IF, the Braves can manage to hold onto the wild card spot, who does Fredi Gonzalez throw in the wild card playoff game? Then let’s say the Braves win that game, what kind of rotation does Gonzalez use in the playoff series?

C-Vol,

We also are dizzy from the UT-Florida spin cycle that has been set on over the top. So it goes.

And like you, we too have followed Derek Dooley's advise and have been wearing our orange pants all week and sit here typing with our hair perfectly parted to the side. Hey, the 5-Lion has had the same bleeping hair cut for 20 years, let's do it for 20 bleeping more.

(Side note: Here's what Dooley told ESPN's Tom Rinaldi about his wardrobe selections for a story that will air Saturday during GameDay: “Well, I’m no fashion guru but you better make your outfit about the pants because if you’re loud everywhere else, you’re really going to look funny. So you got to tone it down everywhere else, not a lot of colors are going to be matching it, so white, gray, maybe a little soft brown…

“I called our equipment manager Fraz – he’s been around a long time – and said, I need some orange pants and I need them to MATCH the jersey, the right orange. I told him I wanted some good quality pants because I didn’t want the old polyester pants that Johnny Majors wore on occasion. So he found somebody who made them and they fit great... So we ran with it.” There you go.)

OK, where were we? Oh, the Braves. We believe you can relax a little bit about the wildcard, since the Braves would have to completely implode to miss the playoffs.

That's the good news about the two wildcard spots. The bad news is the Braves likely will see St. Louis in a one-game, win-or-go-home game, and since the Braves have a well-rounded staff that is better for the long haul and the Cardinals have potentially dominating Adam Wainwright and a slew of mediocre arms, that's a huge edge for the Cards.

Here are our three ideas about who to hand the ball to for the one-game wildcard playoff. And this is assuming the Braves do not blow their wildcard lead (Atlanta is five clear of the Cards and seven up on the Dodgers) and can set their rotation accordingly.

Start Kris Medlen, who has been the teams best pitcher for the last seven weeks. The Braves have won each of his eight starts since he was put into the rotation on July 31.

Start Tim Hudson, who is the most accomplished and playoff-tested pitcher on the staff. Hudson has had a good year — he's 14-6 with a 3.66 ERA — but has been the definition of hit-or-miss since the beginning of August. Here's Hudson's every-other-game's-a-gem stat line since Aug. 3:

8/3 7.1 innings — 0 earned runs

8/8 4.1 innings — 6 earned

8/14 6.1 innings — 0 earned

8/20 6 innings — 4 earned

8/26 7 innings — 1 earned

9/1 5 innings — 5 earned

9/6 7 innings — 0 earned

9/11 6.2 innings — 4 earned

That's some back and forth, huh? Or as Snoop Lion may say, "Dude has done it before, let's let him do it again."

Of course Hudson has been victimized in the first inning as much as any pitcher in baseball this side of Tim Lincecum. So how about this off-the-wall scenario...

Start Jonny Venters. Let him pitch the first while Hudson continues his warmups. Put Hudson in for the second inning and role the dice.

In truth we'd likely give the ball to Hudson since asking Medlen to be this great in his first career postseason start would be a tall order. Although the Venters-to-Hudson bridge is starting to sound sweet.

Like a little reggae... "We shot the sheriff... but we did not shoot the deputy..."

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From Brit

Jay

(This is a follow up to my comments on the lack of coverage for SEC baseball.) 
I just re-upped my subscription to the paper (new address) and realized I did it for the humor... Do you all need subscibers so desparately you need to suck up to Vol fans? UT is NOT the 4th best team in SEC- maybe 4th best in the East. Entertaining at best — serious analysis not so. Say hello to Paschall and 'Weeds for me and open the budget up for the CWS!!

Thank you.

Brit,



Another newcomer around these parts. Welcome.

Thanks for the note and for re-upping your subscription. (Or as our 5-year-old calls it "Your prescription to the paper.")

Not sure if we're ever going to have the budget to cover college baseball as much as we once did, but we did make an effort to have more SEC baseball in the paper last spring. Hope you noticed it.

As for UT being the fourth best team in the SEC or the East, well, you could very well be right at the end of the year, but as of Week 2, who has looked better than UT? South Carolina has questions about its quarterback's health and looked less than good against Vandy. Florida struggled in week 1 against Bowling Green. Granted, we'll learn a bunch more this weekend about the Gators and the Vols, but right now we're happy with them there.

And if you think we "suck up to UT fans" well, where can we send the dozens of emails from angry UT fans, who are especially fond of reminding the sports editor what state Chattanooga is in. Yes it's in Tennessee not Alabama or Georgia. (You know, geography was never his strong suit.)

And I'm sure Weeds has a slew more he could share.

Oh yeah, that reminds me — hello Paschall and Weeds.

Thanks for reading and feel free to swing back by any time.

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From The Big Shew

Black unis and helmets?

Geez, I hope not. Haven't blackouts, whiteouts and, in the case of the New Orleans Saints, intentional knockouts been done and done and done?

The football entre of choice has to be ham, to go with all that corn.

Big Shew (great name by the way)

Another newcomer. Sweet buckets of hellos and how are yous, we may need name tags soon. Reminds us of a grand scene from Animal House:

Otter: Nice tie. Is that a clip on? Boone, come check this out.

Boone: Ninety percent rayon. Very nice. Did your mother buy that.

Kent Dorfman: Yes

Ah good times.

Well, Mr. Really Big Shew, we concur that new-fangled duds and flashy helmets have been done. And they will continue to be done for two reasons.

Recruits seem to dig them. Ask Oregon, which has so many outlandish uniform combinations they go from the Oregon Ducks to the Fightin' Hi-Liters to the Oregon Lady GaGas.

But occasionally they strike gold — and those bowl uniforms from last January were sweet.

And that generates attention and you know who likes attention and shiny things? Those 18-year-old boys who also are big-time recruits. Comes with the territory. And as our prep ace Stephen Hargis tells us here http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2012/sep/14/bell-one-of-vols-visitors/, there will be a slew of big-name recruits in Neyland this weekend.

Know who else loves it? The finance department at these schools, because once they start tinkering, when they do hit a home run, there are seven-figures worth of jersey sales to be had.

Look at it this way, if the Vols come out in all black uniforms Saturday evening — and that is a huge 'if' because it would be very anti-Dooley — and the Vols thump the Gators, they won't be able to stitch black Nos. 8 or 11 fast enough.

That said, here's hoping Auburn never touches their uniforms, because as bad as the Tigers have played the first two weeks of the season, they still have the best unis in the country.

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From Chas9

Denver's visit to the ATL will be a cool QB matchup, established star against the future. Who's your money on?

9er,

Thanks for holding up the baton for the regulars. Well-played indeed.

The Monday Night Football quarterback showdown in the Georgia Dome between the Falcons' Matt Ryan and Denver's Peyton Manning is super-interesting on several levels.

First, Manning's comeback is even more entertaining than we thought. Dude missed more than 600 days of NFL action and returns on the game's big stage and shreds the Steelers. Color the 5-Lion impressed.

Secondly, there is a very sound argument to be made that Ryan is at the same point in his career that Manning was a decade ago. Ryan, like a young Manning, has started from the get-go with his team. Ryan, like a young Manning, enjoyed some eye-popping regular-season success. Ryan, like a young Manning, has been consistently reminded about his shortcomings in the postseason. Color the 5-Lion nostalgic.

Third, while Ryan will doubtfully ever get to Manning's numbers, that's hardly a knock on Ryan. Manning earned his chops with big-time stats and a Super Bowl ring. Ryan is among the culture club of current quarterbacks who are walking the line between good and potentially great, and they will never get there without extended postseason success. We're looking at you Jay Cutler, and you Matt Stafford, and you Phillip Rivers, and you Tony Romo. Color the 5-Lion optimistic.

Fourth, we're actually pretty curious what quarterback guru Jon Gruden will trot out this Monday night on the ESPN broadcast. Color the 5-Lion excited.

Fifth, and this is not quarterback related, but two of the game's best big-play wide receivers — Atlanta's Julio Jones and Denver's Demaryius Thomas — will be on the perimeter. Color the 5-Lion giddy.

In short — which is 100 percent not our style — our money is on the Falcons, but it's not because of the quarterbacks. Our excitement level for this game, however, is off the charts and that has a lot to do with the quarterbacks.

This is 5-Lion saying peace be unto to you and have a chilled day.

Word.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

Leo (mind if I call you that?)--Major props to you for getting Murder She Wrote into the same column as Snoop D. Lion.

Start Medlen. If you do the Venters-Hudson thing, the 2nd inning will still be Hudson's first, so he'll bleep it up.

There should be color guards at every entrance to Neyland checking all persimmonish tints against a Pantone sample of PMS 151 and denying entry to all who fall short. Of course, that'd result in a nearly empty cavern It's questioable even the cheerleaders or players would get in.

Here's a contest for Monday. We like contests. Name the QB who'll throw for more yards. Tiebreaker is how many yards, Price Is Right rules. I predict Ryan. I'm pondering how many yards.

September 14, 2012 at 11:17 a.m.
Todd962 said...

5-Lion, UTC and Finley want to start slinging gin n' juice cause they've got their mind on their money and their money on their mind. Extra revenue is always a good thing.

Mr.Davis makes a great point about earlier start times that could alleviate a lot of the problems that would arise from alcohol sales as well. A 7 pm start time of a game that serves alcohol means you are more than likely going to be supplementing a buzzed patron that started well before the game. Buzzed patrons who toss down a few cold ones while the games going on become drunk idiots. Dangerous person if Dalton is not there to front kick them out of their seat. With a noon start time, you likely arent going to have too many people getting out of bed at 9 or 10 to get their drank on before going to a UTC game. Far less possibility of drunken debauchery.

However, the reality of getting a season of Thursday games and noon start times is impossible. A solution to the problem of missing SEC games is donating some money to your hometown university (which when split between several people isnt a bank breaker), acquiring a pavilion spot for the season, taking advantage of the television hookups the pavilion provides, and enjoying an awesome tailgating afternoon while watching the big games onsite before going to cheer on your Mocs. Win win win, Go Beer! (and if you get real lucky you get to enjoy a roundhouse from a fictional character. More winning.)

September 14, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

I usually don't get passionate regarding someone else's opinion because life is short and no one's opinion is equal to the red word (and I'm not even that religious).

As both an alumni and fan I have followed both UTC's progress in good times and bad and they have bent over backwards to try to appease to the community with everything from massive freebees to scheduling most of their games on Thursday to trying not to schedule around Tennessee, Alabama, whoever, with the promise that if UTC does X, Y, and Z they will attend. Guess what? People like that never attend a UTC game ever to begin with because its just not what they are into. And you know what? I am perfectly okay with that.

Yes, the Mocs will never compete with the popularity of the SEC but Huesman has done a great job regardless and eventually they are going to one of the best mid-level programs in the country. The only thing that will fill Finley is wins. Plain and Simple. And playing teams other than Division II.

I've learned over the years that the ones MOST vocal about "Well if UTC does X, Y, Z, and AA I will attend a game" ALWAYS finds an excuse to NEVER attend anyway.

I do feel for University's promotions department because its an uphill climb everyday to keep and recruit new fans but right now I am just happy the way things are.

Would I like to have seen more than 9,000 in attendance? Yes. Is that going to happen playing Gleenville State? No. Now what if the opponent was Montana or Hofstra or another high ranking FCS program? Definitely.

Television rules the SEC and there's nothing that can be done about that. Those schedules will always not be available until the week of the game. Sometimes it will play in UTC's favor and sometimes it will not. But if you're true to your school AND true to your community, you'll attend (or watch online) regardless.

Go Mocs! Now and Forever!!!

(P.S. I am wearing my Vols golf shirt today-wore the Mocs one yesterday)

September 14, 2012 at 12:11 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

What'd i do now? (I know, silly question)

September 14, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
fechancellor said...

Ten Ring,

Thanks for the package, Ten Ring. It found my door as sure as the Predator drone took out Anwar al-Wlaki in the wastes of Yemen. (Thought we could use some cheering up given the events in the ME this week)

Guys these are great tickets to the Braves Game. When Ten Ring delivers the goods, he drives a semi.

Beer at the Mocs Game? The devil is in the details. How about Gang Night? We could have the "Players" Awards on the field st half-time. Why should Hamilton Place have all the fun?

Down on the Treasure Coast I got very little intel on the Gators, although I did better advancing a project I'm knee deep in. A bartender did say the local line was Gators-3. I offered a what if...Tennessee puts up 30. Bar guy says Fla loses.

September 14, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, is there an athlete who acts more natural in an endorsement/commercial than one manning, payton, except maybe shaq?

September 14, 2012 at 1:08 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Building a consistent winner would get the fans in, so would being Sun Belt instead of FCS. It doesn't matter that the Sun Belt wouldn't be the best league in the FCS, it's all about perception of what's top level and what's considered lower level. Recently I was asked why a player would want to go play at UTC since they don't give football scholarships. It was a serious question from someone who isn't entirely clueless about sports. But that's the perception by some people here.

September 14, 2012 at 1:12 p.m.
deboman said...

Happy Friday Oh 5 the Lionhearted. I have to say that Mr. Cook you had me…really had me until the point where you mentioned Hofstra as an high ranking FCS program. I believe said Pride went extinct about 3 years ago and no longer play tackle football. However, you are spot on with your assessment of the scheduling of UTC games. A program needs to schedule their own games, for their own fans, and do such in their own best interest. FCS fans get the luxury of knowing when their games are going to be well ahead of time, good stuff. They certainly do not consider their program matinee material and will approach scheduling accordingly. The loyal fans will continue to come and incentives help, but nothing puts butts in the seats at a better rate than winning football games, and that seems to be where the Mocs are headed.

And Todd, I am deeply disappointed that you are not doing more to better prepare yourself for the Nooners. An 8:00 start should be in the cards for a young buck like yourself. Heck, Saturdays my alarm clock consists of a fired up blond yelling “Get the bleep out of bed, its Gameday for bleep’s sake. Get a move on, that coolers not gonna fill itself” and so another Saturday begins.

Oh, and I will go with the fighting Dooleys over the future footwear- 24-13.

September 14, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
Stewwie said...

Great effort last night by the Mocs. Good to see Huesman and Robinson on the field together. Impressive D holding them to under 100 yards and zero points. We need to clean up our special teams miscues before next weekend.

Just to be clear, beer is currently available at Finley but only in the skyboxes and in the meeting room on the home side. It is not sold in the concessions and cannot be taken to the seats. The issue at hand is whether to sell beer at the concessions and let people drink in the seats.

So will there be much extra money by selling it at the concessions? And is it worth the potential headaches from rowdy behavior (unless Roadhouse rules are in place)? If enacted, I'm with Todd in that the game start times ought to be earlier than later.

As far as attendance goes, the competition with SEC (and other big-time football) games each weekend is here to stay. Filling Finley week to week is going to be hard just from that fact alone. Also, if student participation is a main goal, then taking football off campus was not a bright idea. Not that it really matters now, but for UTC's size and level, a 10,000-12,000 seat stadium on campus would be a better fit than a 20,000 seat (and half-filled on average) stadium off campus next to a bunch of eyesores.

[I've learned over the years that the ones MOST vocal about "Well if UTC does X, Y, Z, and AA I will attend a game" ALWAYS finds an excuse to NEVER attend anyway.]

Right on, JMC.

September 14, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Chancellor, Nice.

September 14, 2012 at 1:30 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Ha, Debo, I temporarily hung my head in shame until I realized that I am in fact not one of those sober slackers I described. We are the a-holes drinking mimosas at 9 in the pavilion at homecoming and this Saturday I am resorting to watching a game across the pond at 10 am so I dont feel bad about cracking my first PBR at about 9:30 in the morning. If you do that without a sporting event going on in front of you they try to make you go to meetings about your feelings. Luckily Chelsea plays at 10 to try to stay atop the Premiership. Blue is the colour.

September 14, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.
ordinaryguy said...

JMC - you are right on target...the people with all the "brilliant" ideas are the ones that always find an excuse not to go...wins equal attendance enough said and it doesn't matter if the SEC is playing at the same time or not, the loons who say that people do not attend Mocs games for that reason are nuts...it is almost like the argument to have big high school games at finley...just doesn't fly in the world of reality...they are living among the informed...Chattanooga ranked #32 in attendance among FCS schools last year which in reality isnt that bad...and that was without App St and GSU being on the home schedule...so the ones that continually come up with hairbrained ideas that would make them want to go to a game do all of us loyal Mocs fans a favor - SHUT UP

September 14, 2012 at 1:44 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Georgia Southern has fought its own battles trying to get its own fans and students at games. The night GSU had No 1 Furman at Paulson, one of GSU's biggest boosters was in Athens for the "blackout" against auburn. Hey 5, how'd that turn out? And I suggest that any guy between 35 and 48, in a crowd of guys of the same demographic, can let fly with "Raaandy Watson!" and get a unanimous "that boy good!" "yeah ... good and terrible" in response.

September 14, 2012 at 1:57 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Wow, the 5-Lion takes a long lunch with the family — it is football Friday night which means start the 5-at-10 at 6 a.m., work, finish the high school football game story by 11:15 p.m. — and the join goes nuts.

Let's pick the highlights...

Mocs start times:

We can't ever see UTC scheduling home-and-homes with Montana or the football-artists-formerly-known as Hofstra. No money in it.

As for the winning cures all ills, well, it might. But if UTC goes 10-2 this year, and come next fall, the home opener is at 3:30 — the same time of the UT-Florida game — there will be 10,000-or-so folks there. It's the nature of the beast. Heck, read Spy's post above about Georgia Southern.

As for the wake-shake-and-tailgate... let's just say that in the days of the JP games at Auburn, there were two speeds on Saturday in the Fall — wide open and dead. Fortunately we never found dead. Noon kickoffs would be a high quality start.

Remember this is about the student turnout as much as the city.

And OG, OK, those of us trying to come up with ideas to help the Mocs will shut up.

Serious question for UTC fans like OG, Stewwie, JMC, et al.: Why the huge chip on the fan base's shoulder? You understandably want more people to come and support UTC but it has to be on your terms, and any idea or suggestion is met with resistance. Why? And why the angst at those of us who want to be fringe Mocs fans? If you and the rest of the hard-core Mocs fans are going to the game whether it's noon or 7:30 p.m. or Monday at 6, why not try to recruit as many fringe folks as possible?

FE to the C —

Glad you got the package. And that is excellent Right Guard grab right there.

Stew —

Concur, last night was exactly what the Mocs needed. Exactly. And yes, the special-teams miscues will need to be cleaned before next Saturday, which is every bit as big for the Mocs as Saturday is for the Vols.

Debo —

Sounds like you got a keeper there in the morning. Barking orders first thing in the morning is one thing, but know that filling the cooler is Job No. 1 is above beyond. Stay Thirsty.

Spy —

The blackout never existed. We see no boy here.

Rushmore of smooth athletes on commercials... Manning, Shaq, Uecker, Jordan with special shout outs to Penny and Lil' Penny Hardaway, all the old-school Miller Lite commercials and Mean Joe's Coke ad.

962 —

As always the voice of peace. We can all support your "Go Beer" mantra.

— 5-Lion

September 14, 2012 at 2:48 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Thanks to everyone for your support. I did enjoy watching the game on the new, updated Mocsvision program on gomocs.com from the comfort of the 5 at 10 office across the street from Valley Ranch (Cowboys HQ and practice facility). I try my best to hit the points and to do so without sounding out in left field as suppose to those conspiracy buffs over at "Clay's Coloring Book R Us". Again, thank you all for reading.

Now if I can get you guys to read my fiction work, I can give Bradberry and Tolkin a run for their money.

back to subject

deboman wrote-

"I have to say that Mr. Cook you had me…really had me until the point where you mentioned Hofstra as an high ranking FCS program. I believe said Pride went extinct about 3 years ago and no longer play tackle football"

In all honestly, I was unaware they dropped their program. I chose it for two reasons 1) I have a friend a mine (though we haven't seen each other in over 12 years) whose ala mater is actually Hofstra. She's from Long Island and believe it or not makes a living as cartoon voiceover person. 2) For obvious reasons I always followed the FCS (then I-AA top 25 rankings and always saw them in the top 10 every week). So, not being silly deboman, I just didn't know.

Laughingboy wrote-

"Building a consistent winner would get the fans in, so would being Sun Belt instead of FCS"

Your observations are spot-on (not to hint a lovefest here) but with "fair weather" football fans, the mindset is definitely by most at being "Well UTC is not quality football because they don't play in the Sun Belt or Conference USA or the Big East". I agree, but that doesn't mean its below quality.

And if Joe or Jane Fencerider is going by simple school name recognation, I can assure you the Sun Belt AN'T it. North Texas plays in that conference and other than MTSU and Louisiana-Monroe, I was like ??????? when looking at the UNT's schedule. Also newsflash, unlike SEC or Big 12 Teams, most of the lower FBS schools don't travel well.

BTW, UTC DOES offer football scholarships.

September 14, 2012 at 3 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Run JMC —

What's your Rushmore of cool jobs?

Cartoon voice over person is certainly on the list, no?

— 5-Lion

September 14, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
ordinaryguy said...

JG...it't not so much angst as aggrivation that everyone wants Chattanooga to give in to what the "possible" fan would prefer...a great for instance would be just a few short years ago when Carson Newman, which has thousands of area alums came to town the crowd was only about 7,000 or so on a Thursday night...The vast majority of the "my blood runs orange, crimson, red, or whatever color" looks upon FCS as an "inferior" product and not worth even considering checking out a game...I will place a wager with you if the Mocs were to go 10-2 make the playoffs and win at least one game it would not matter if the lizards and clorox orange are playing on every network, there would be more than 15,000 at Finley...I think with Mocs fans the issue is we are being bombarded with ideas to bring in at the most an additional 100 fans or so to a game...

September 14, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
deboman said...

Yes 5er a keeper indeed, and patient to say the least, which is probably why I am still around. Bleep! The football stadium picture over the fireplace is from HER alma mater. Fall only comes around once a year so we tend to make the most of every weekend. Looks like only going to be one weekend off from gameday travel in November, which is nice, and hopefully some bonus football afterwards. We do miss some big games here and there, but that’s what TiVo and highlights are for. Plus, we have those meetings that ole ‘962 was alluding to, they just take place on Saturdays and everyone brings their own food and beverage. Folks even tend to wear color coordinated attire…’cept for the ones with the REAL problems. As for the across the pond shenanigans, I am relegated to FoxSoccer channel reruns, but its pretty easy to avoid the results here in the states and watch unbeknownst of the outcome.

JMC- Hofstra pulled the plug a few years back, right out of nowhere. They now have a really nice stadium…for lacrosse. They do have a few alums in the NFL though, think M Colston in New Orleans played for the Pride.

September 14, 2012 at 3:38 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Jay's fringe comment is spot on. I definitely respect hardcore fans of teams(because there are a few teams I follow that I go into fisticuffs over(yes, I fight like a 1930's boxer and put up my dukes)), but I tend not to care for their "hipster" attitude. Yeah dude, I get that you liked said team before it was cool to like them, but we are cheering for the same side. You dont have to hate me for liking something you clearly love. I am just not ready for my Sugarland Skeeters(generic example) back tat. (I would expand futher but Jay is going to be mad at me for talking about 'skeet on backs)

5-Lion, That is a pretty good rushmore of athletes in commercials. I was worried about Shaq being able to continue his career after suffering from his advanced stages of Taco Neck, but he appears to have made a full recovery.

Well heres to a weekend full of good football, great beers, and tapenade! GBO!

September 14, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

I know they offer scholarships but the person basically thought the Mocs football program was the equivalent of the University of the South. I can imagine the Mocs going 10-1, winning the Southern Conference, hosting a playoff game and drawing 15K. I can see the Mocs going 10-1 or 11-0 playing in the Sun Belt, flirting with a top 10 national ranking and maybe even a BCS bowl-if you think that's crazy, Ohio U has a shot this year-and 22K being at the home games two hours before kickoff.

September 14, 2012 at 4:01 p.m.
Livn4life said...

Mixing sports and politics makes you 5-Lyin' Greeson or is that Gleason? Although there is little doubt few sidelines in football would not be bleeped at some point. Add 8 years to that and you have a whole lot of bleepin' going on.

"UTC needs fans, heck we all need fans..." Well the funeral homes once sold fans...never mind those were the little hand held fellows not the screaming, spending, supporting ones. I just don't buy the beer deal but would love for the MOCS fan base to expand widely.

Finally, I cannot wait for the Falcons/Broncos game. It should be exciting. As for Jay Cutdown(ie wishing luck to the GB Dbs with his receivers), you'd better CARE dude, you'd better. I'm outta here, gotta get ready for that...uh...well whatever the name of that little event in Knoxville tomorrow evening. I know what it is but I AIN'T saying! Peace to all!

September 14, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

Two words for the mocs and adult beverages - "Beer me!". Falcons & Broncos game is worth getting fired up for - for once.

JMC your satellite office sounds like 9615 E Valley Ranch. Spent about 3 years there myself.
Spy & 5-lion - what blackout?

September 14, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Well my response didn't get copied but that's okay. I believe everyone else pretty much answered Jay's question.

I'll try to nutshell what all I wrote and hope it goes through.

Chattanooga: People with deep ties here see UTC as an inferior product because a) it's a satellite school and b) its not in the SEC. The "my friend thought it was like the University of the South" somehow does not surprise me. Except Swannee is Division III and yes, they don't do scholarships.

Suggestions: We've tried all of the above in the past and most people still didn't go to the games regardless (see above)

Students: Hard pressed to root for the Mocs due to years of medocrity followed by the fact most see UTC as "Plan B" when you either weren't accepted or couldn't afford to go to Knoxville or Athens or did but couldn't "cut it there" as it were. The vibe in my opinion though has long since changed to where UTC has the look and feel of a quote "real university" and is now hopfully carrying on into fan participation.

September 14, 2012 at 4:41 p.m.
chas9 said...

The score will be Big Lizards 24, Big Persimmonish 21.

September 14, 2012 at 4:49 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- maybe people might not want to see that Tn - Alabama funeral after all . . . .

September 15, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.
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