published Thursday, September 20th, 2012

Etch A Sketch

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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OllieH said...

This is HILARIOUS, Clay!

September 20, 2012 at 12:06 a.m.
astinnett12 said...

Don't hold back, Clay, say what you feel, man.

Pondering what it takes for a Democrat to get in a Clay Bennett cartoon, without ruining her political career.....

September 20, 2012 at 12:08 a.m.
miraweb said...

And after 43 years Ann still can't get that horse to dance.

September 20, 2012 at 12:28 a.m.
Anklejive said...

Good one! Sharing.

September 20, 2012 at 1:13 a.m.
alprova said...

Ouch!! This one is sure to stoke the fire, stir the pot, rekindle the fire, start those chicken wings a flappin', cause a new wave of anti-Obama commentary, start another class warfare argument, etc.

Oh...and mymy will remind us how many more days until she will implode, after the President will indeed be awarded a second term.

September 20, 2012 at 2:01 a.m.

Why is the Horse facing left? Shouldn't it be looking to the right?

September 20, 2012 at 3:11 a.m.
ricardo said...

Is Mr. Bennett saying that Mitt Romney is a horse's a$$?

September 20, 2012 at 4:10 a.m.
fairmon said...

It could just as well be a donkey's a$$ or an elephants. The next generation may decide these two parties are antiques and a third option is needed. The systems and processes of government has over time become so convoluted it is hardly recognizable when compared to that described in the constitution. It is certainly not affordable as designed and operated.

September 20, 2012 at 5:24 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Change "CANDIDATE" to "CARTOONIST" and "MITT ROMNEY" to...

September 20, 2012 at 5:35 a.m.
degage said...

Too bad Clay is so stipid he shows an a$$ the democrat insignia to discribe Romney. First thing I thought was he made a big mistake, an a$$ is a democrat so it automaticly makes me think of Obama. I know you want to believe it is a horse, but it also looks like the back end of a democrat. I always wondered why the demoRATS use an A$$ instead of the last three letters of the word DemocRAT.

September 20, 2012 at 6:17 a.m.
aae1049 said...

Childish, three crayon effort.

September 20, 2012 at 6:27 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Degage said: "Clay is so stipid he shows an a$$ the democrat insignia to discribe Romney."

Nah, the A$$ is too big to belong to a donkey.

September 20, 2012 at 6:38 a.m.
EaTn said...

harp3339 said...."The next generation may decide these two parties are antiques and a third option is needed."

Very profound. Let's hope the third party has the foresight to pick the best from the existing ones, instead of what was brewing three years ago. But if we're still stuck in the eighteenth century with the electoral college, what hope do we have for any change to the two party system.

September 20, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Happywithnewbulbs said: Why is the Horse facing left? Shouldn't it be looking to the right?

Well, Happywithnewbulbs, lets not forget that Mitt Romney did essentially “moon” a large number of Republican voters when he was running his mouth that evening. Indeed, the “mooning” was such that even the ”lord of the neo-cons” over at the Weekly Standard was forced to declare Romney’s comments to be “stupid and arrogant.”

September 20, 2012 at 7:27 a.m.
dude_abides said...

The last horses a$$ I saw next to an empty seat was Clint Eastwood, who throws a baseball, by the way, not unlike my mother. In the commercial for his movie, he cracks "I'm not a pole dancer." But really that is exactly what he was doing at the GOP convention. Prop and all. Interacting with an inanimate object, alluding to disgusting language (with an arena full of Christians), etc. It was just another example of poor choices made by Romney and his flagging, shriller by the moment campaign.

September 20, 2012 at 7:37 a.m.
tderng said...

Well,I see Mr. Bennett has done a self portrait.

September 20, 2012 at 8:34 a.m.
mymy said...

Good Morning Airheads: Here it is,

46 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Al: This is especially for you. I’m sure you need another Obama Pic for your wall. It is very symbolic of what 4 more years of Obama could bring. A lot more truth/symbolism in it than today’s toon. Only you and yours could appreciate. It will make most of the American people who see it sick and, hopefully, a lot more thoughtful. Get that checkbook out, quick! Be one of the first to get it.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/the-united-states-of-obama.html

Comments Priceless

September 20, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Hmmm, looks like Mitt left out 47% of the drawing on his Etch-A-Sketch.

September 20, 2012 at 8:50 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy, thank you for the link. I was already aware of them. I ordered one last night. I've got a spot already scoped out on my office wall to put it.

And you are right, the comments are indeed priceless, just as they are on here, coming from you right-wingers.

Keep 'em coming.

September 20, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
mymy said...

Hang in there airhead!!!!!!

September 20, 2012 at 9:28 a.m.
alprova said...

Mitt's going to tick off more of his base today, including Republican Party officials. The man is definitely getting desperate. Add another flip-flop to his count.

CNN just showed him speaking to a crowd of Hispanics, where he promised them that "as president, I will not be rounding people up for deportation."

I wonder...did he check with the RNC to verify that as a Republican, he was allowed to make such a promise? Didn't the Republicans make a promise to their base earlier this month at their convention to do more about illegal immigration?

Why yes they did.

From the section of the Republican Party platform entitled:

The Rule Of Law: Legal Immigration

"That is why we oppose any form of amnesty for those who, by intentionally violating the law, disadvantage those who have obeyed it. Granting amnesty only rewards and encourages more law breaking."*

Oops...

September 20, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Hang in there airhead!!!!!!"

Hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't you have a few Muslims to shoot?

September 20, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
fairmon said...

Bernanke just made a comment on the economy by announcing QE3 which means he thinks it is in trouble and tanking. As I said last week I sold the S&P short when it ran up after QE3 was announced. It will drop like a rock once the big money boys figure the real message out. Selling short means selling about $150,000 dollars of stock I don't own but borrowed and sold. I will buy it and pay it back at around $140,000 or less soon, maybe this week. Thank you again Ben. Obama thinks you assured him a win, what a surprise he is in for but he will still win a very close race so your job at the non-political independent fed is safe.

September 20, 2012 at 9:38 a.m.
fairmon said...

Romney may have been able to do that to himself but his dong is too sore from his stepping on it so much. It is a little confusing when Obama says "you didn't build that" but then accuses Romney of use and abuse and creating his personal wealth. Can you not see why I don't find either of them to be an acceptable candidate?

September 20, 2012 at 9:46 a.m.
mymy said...

New extensive report from the Washington Examiner: The Obama you don't know.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama

September 20, 2012 at 10:04 a.m.
NGAdad said...

harp, just breath ... in, out, in, out, in. The President said that business founders didn't build the infrastructure or the schools or the bridges or the ports or the security it takes to make a nation function. I know that a paragraph more than a few words long really is tough for some but... see above - also hydrate often. You are gonna be fine, so is GM, Bin Laden is with the fishes. Long live progressives!

September 20, 2012 at 10:06 a.m.
Walden said...

my my, you beat me to it!

Read if you dare:

http://washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFsQT41lQ18

Talk about a horse's ass.

September 20, 2012 at 10:12 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."The next generation may decide these two parties are antiques and a third option is needed."

If we elect Romney, that party will be imposed on us - a new variation of RINO. One party rule is, afterall, the outcome that Karl Rove et al. have been working toward since about 1980.

September 20, 2012 at 10:24 a.m.
mymy said...

Walden: Better late than never: the vetting of Obama. It will not phase The Obama Cult mentality.

September 20, 2012 at 10:27 a.m.
Walden said...

mymy - I fear you are correct. The Obamadrones 1,000 yard stares are legendary!

September 20, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Well, Clay, this is a new low. The only thing you left out was a little iron statue of our current President, out on the lawn, holding the other end of the beast.

September 20, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Bennet and Obama...anything they spew out, the leftist drink it up. Perplexing.

September 20, 2012 at 11:15 a.m.
Salsa said...

Looks like a nice drawing of Biden's brain.

September 20, 2012 at 11:21 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

I remember how sick Katie Couric looked on TV that night when the polling results came in and Bush had overtaken Gore in Florida.

The Republicans really can't lose this time around. If Romney wins, it's a win for Republicans. If Obama wins, it's four more years where people who have saved, invested, been responsible and self-supporting will endure, and watch their stocks increase in value, while the rest of the country goes to Hell. There are a whole bunch of Democrats out of work because Republicans have stayed home instead of taking expensive vacations. There are a whole bunch of Democrats out of work because Republicans are hunkering down, planning for the worst, and saving their money instead of spending it on things that create jobs. It's the paycheck-to-paycheck crowd that always suffers, and if they are still dumb enough to vote for someone who is against creating real jobs for average people instead of "green" jobs for tree huggers, they will deserve the misery they will have chosen for themselves.

September 20, 2012 at 11:29 a.m.
mymy said...
September 20, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
Walden said...

This Ben Stein editorial is excellent. A very telling insight into what the real horse's ass is up to:

http://spectator.org/archives/2012/09/20/letterman-stunner

September 20, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Another childish effort by Bennett.

This is no more than a lame attempt to look creative while resorting to base name calling.

September 20, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Nooga: You miss the session on contractions in English?

September 20, 2012 at 11:40 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The Obama administration is weighing the release of blind Sheik Omar Abdel-Rahman — the spiritual adviser to the 1993 World Trade Center bombers — in a stunning goodwill gesture toward Egypt that has touched off a political firestorm, officials said yesterday.

I pray The Anointed One will release this murderer. Even BO's sycophant followers would be up in arms over this. Or would they?

September 20, 2012 at 11:42 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MTJohn said: "If we elect Romney, that party will be imposed on us - a new variation of RINO. One party rule is, afterall, the outcome that Karl Rove et al. have been working toward since about 1980."

I know several older Republicans who live in South Carolina that still feel the Republican Party sold its soul to the devil so to speak when they voted in Karl Rove as the Republican party boss. They still talk about Karl Rove’s nasty smear campaign against John McCain - the one suggesting that John McCain had fathered a black child out of wedlock.

Anyway, speaking of Rove and the devil, there is a very informative article about Rove and his super-pacs in the recent issue of Vanity Fair. If you haven’t already read it, it’s a good read:

"He is not merely Bush’s Brain; he’s the man who swallowed the Republican Party. As the maestro orchestrating the various super-pacs, he has inspired the wealthiest people on the right to pony up what could amount to $1 billion and has created an unelected position for himself of real enduring power with no term limits."

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/09/karl-rove-gop-craig-unger

September 20, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

noogies, aka Easy: The profiters from the war have zero to do with Romney. Keep trying.

September 20, 2012 at 12:48 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Mountainlaurel - Rove's efforts to promote one-party rule go all the way back to Reagan.

What I do not understand is that Rove has been pretty candid (at least to a point) as to what he is trying to accomplish. One-party rule is NOT an American value. If/when Rove succeeds - Citizens United is an indication that he is close - it will mean the end of democracy in this country. Yet, we have not been paying much attention to the fact that he is working for our demise. Moreover, he gets a lot of help from folks who wear the flag and chant "God bless America". As we see on this board every day, Rove (with the help of Frank Lunz) has been pretty successful at blaming the President for the consequences of the various un-American policies that were implemented in response to his, Grover Norquist etc. influence.

September 20, 2012 at 12:51 p.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."noogies, aka Easy: The profiters from the war have zero to do with Romney. Keep trying."

Nice work, Jack. You just added a steaming pile to the lower right corner of the cartoon.

If we could get a full an honest accounting of campaign contributions, we would discover that the war profiteers have been paying big bucks to broadcast lies in support of Romney.

September 20, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
CathyB3 said...

Before Mr. Romney says one more word about people not paying income taxes, let's see his tax returns for the last 10 years.

Question: Are loopholes and stashes of money in foreign accounts an entitlement?

September 20, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
mymy said...

JD: The Killing of Ben Laden Movie opening has been delayed until after the election-maybe afraid of the reaction that could be on our soil. If there is a deal re the Sheik, it will be after the election. If Obama wins, he will have more "flexibility", right!

Basically, America bend over more is coming!

September 20, 2012 at 1:49 p.m.
acerigger said...

Per the New York Times:

Eager to shoot down President Obama’s legislative agenda just weeks before the election, Senate Republicans on Wednesday blocked a measure that would have provided $1 billion over five years to help veterans find work in their communities.

"JOBS,JOBS,JOBS",right? Yeah, right azzholes!

I posted this yesterday,but it needs to be shown every day!

These traitors need to go!

September 20, 2012 at 1:50 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

North end of a south-bound mule (Dems). The hind end id the working end. The front just neys, eats and smokes grass and smiles with them big teeth. I think you've got this one right Tooney.

September 20, 2012 at 1:54 p.m.
mymy said...

ace: good for the Repubs for stopping more buying of votes. Wait till after the election and if O wins, see what he does.

Obama is a donkey that works both ends. He is doing everything to keep milirary from voting while playing up to them in another direction.

September 20, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mymy: Sounds like a question Romney should ask Moses at debate.

September 20, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
limric said...

Good cartoon clay, but I have an alternative (classic in a literary sense) depiction of Obamney…not that the horse’s ass isn’t perfectly apropos though. :-)

Mitt Romney’s statements, and flailing as of late is a perfect caricature of Macbeth, who believed the prophecy that he was going to become king of Scotland. First, he murdered anyone he perceived to be a threat; then he would up like a chained bear before receiving his comeuppance. "Murder will out." And so - as the darkness of November 7th covers the House of Romney, echoing from the second floor can be heard a faint pitiful sobbing, “But it’s MY TURN mommy! - it was…my…turn.”

And thus:

As Mitt (who is really just a prettier version of Dick Cheney) said: "My job is not to worry about those people." And he’s right, it’s not his job. And it shall never be. So indeed Mitt, no need to worry about the American people. President Obama will (unfortunately) continue to do so.

September 20, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
mymy said...

limric said......"My job is not to worry about those people."

You forgot to add the rest: there is a safety net for them!

“But it’s MY TURN mommy! - it was…my…turn.”

This sounds more like Obama. It's not my fault, somebody else did it and I want another turn.

The Obama Cult believe and fall in line.

September 20, 2012 at 2:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

limrik: Feel safe knowing the Organizer is worrying about you. Uneffingbelievable.

September 20, 2012 at 2:30 p.m.
PinkSalmon said...

mymy said... limric said......"My job is not to worry about those people." You forgot to add the rest: there is a safety net for them!nv

Seems like Romney and his clan conveniently left out the rest of a 14 year old speech the president made when he was an Illinois State Senator and was responding to a question. He wasn't talking about redistributing wealth, but resources to make state and city government more efficient, giving everyone a fair shot.

According to Washington Post, here's the part Romney and clan are circulating:

"I actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level, to make sure that everybody's got a shot," Obama is heard saying on the clip, which then abruptly ends.

Here's the last line of that 14 year old speech Romney and gang left out:

"How do we pool resources at the same time as we decentralize delivery systems in ways that both foster competition, can work in the marketplace, and can foster innovation at the local level and can be tailored to particular communities,"

The Romney Cult believe and fall in line. (redistributing your line-back-atcha LOL)

The edit of the last line out of the clip earned Romney and the Republican National Committee a "four pinocchios" rating by fact checkers at the Washington Post

September 20, 2012 at 3:05 p.m.
miraweb said...

I am wondering if Team Romney has noticed yet that Romney's scheduled release of his 2011 tax filing is the day before the October 16 debate.

Well done, Sir! Go Team!

September 20, 2012 at 3:17 p.m.
Walden said...

"The White House, after insisting for more than a week that the deadly attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi was a "spontaneous" act, conceded Thursday that it was "self evident" that it was an act of terror -- an admission that took eight days for any administration official to make."

Hmm. This kind of makes Jay Carney and Wacky Baracky look like horses' asses...

September 20, 2012 at 3:21 p.m.
Leaf said...

JonRoss said... Barack Mussolini Obama is a true fascist:

Wow. . . just. Wow. Do you actually know what a dictionary is, JonRoss? Seriously, even at the rather pitiful level of debate to be found in this forum, you lower the bar. You contribute nothing. Your opinion is of no consequence. We are all laughing at you. Even the other conservatives think of you as their funny special needs cousin. When you take your wee-wee out at the family reunion and run around the dinner table they all just roll their eyes and say, "There goes JonRoss. We're gonna have to put that boy in a home soon before he tries to rape the dog again."

September 20, 2012 at 3:26 p.m.
miraweb said...

Just a random thought:

The anagrams for Bain Capital include Catnap Alibi and Captain Bail.

Carry on!

September 20, 2012 at 3:31 p.m.
Leaf said...

happywithnewbulbs said... Why is the Horse facing left? Shouldn't it be looking to the right?

A valid question, but you see as a regressive horse it walks backward. So in the drawing it is actually backing blindly toward the right.

September 20, 2012 at 3:33 p.m.
mymy said...

Pink Salmon: That is nothing compared to what the Liberal MSM does/or doesn't do/report. Mother Jones just did it! How many Pinocchio’s for that?

We know what Obama means and he repeated it in the 2008 campaign: remember the Joe the Plummer moment?

Well, he is doing it and the economy shows the results!!!

So, if O gets reelected: America bend over more is coming!

September 20, 2012 at 3:33 p.m.
mymy said...

The lack of knowledge to a situation means the little lefties here live in a state of: ignorance is bliss.

Glad I have a clue about what will happen if Obama gets 4 more years and continue to prepare like many as best we can.

By the way, layoffs at a well-known Chatt Town company today=1 town, 1 company multiplied by how many all over this country. Probably more to come.

There will be more if we get 4 more years of Obama Policies.

September 20, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The Obama campaign has launched its “For All” campaign, encouraging supporters to take pictures of themselves with their hands on their hearts and a note explaining why they support President Obama.

Actress Jessica Alba uses the Pledge of Allegiance as an example of the campaign in an email to supporters. Alba joins Hollywood actresses Natalie Portman and Scarlett Johansson by photographing herself with her hand on her heart pledging to vote for Obama.

Sounds akin to the pledge made to the Fuhrer...not just allegiance to Fatherland, or the Party, but to the MAN HIMSELF. Disgustingly scary. Guyana Kool-Aid like. Sickens ol' J_D

September 20, 2012 at 4:11 p.m.
miraweb said...

Today, 2:00 pm

"Bottom line is, the people have sent me down here to do my job -- and that’s to vote. I’m sure if we don’t make [the debate] tonight, we’ll reschedule it for Monday or something."

Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown, stating that he just couldn't possibly leave Washington today for his scheduled debate tonight with Elizabeth Warren.

Today, 2:30 pm

"I’ve been to a few of these rodeos. It is obvious there is a big stall taking place. One of the senators who had a debate tonight doesn’t want to debate. Well, he can’t use the Senate as an excuse. There will be no more votes today."

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid

Last word is Brown was cramming on the plane to prep for his 7pm debate in Boston. No word if the dog ate his homework.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/on-congress/2012/09/reid-no-votes-so-brown-can-debate-warren-136170.html?hp=r4

September 20, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
acerigger said...

mymy said...

"ace: good for the Repubs for stopping more buying of votes"

F-U! You're just another traitor!

Pizz on the vets, huh? Just let Obama lose, F**K America! You,Rush, and your ilk are an embarrassment and a danger to this country!

September 20, 2012 at 5:44 p.m.
mymy said...

acer: back at ya airhead. Obama is just trying to buy votes. He could care less about them. I appreciate vets and what they have done for us and hate to see them played for a vote you butthead!!

September 20, 2012 at 7:02 p.m.
acerigger said...

mymy, MY final word(s)to you,F##k You!!

September 20, 2012 at 7:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel referred to a vanity fair article about Rove which contained this statement about Romney which was not referenced.

At Bain Capital, the Boston-based private-equity firm where he made his name, Romney had mastered the art of the leveraged buyout: making an offer for a company, putting down a fraction of the sale price, financing the rest, taking over the company, and then, after the company turned around, cashing out—often at a huge profit. His success was undeniable. Romney had done it again and again—with a medical-equipment company, with a credit-services company, with Domino’s Pizza.

September 20, 2012 at 7:42 p.m.
mymy said...

ace: poor baby, LOL

September 20, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.

Anybody catch Obama finally getting asked some tough questions on Univision, of all places? Dang he's truly pathetic. He is the horse's ass.

September 20, 2012 at 7:48 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML....Vanity Fair articles and opinions are not what I consider a source of reliable information. I have the same view of the NY times although I do read it. I do not and will not spend a penny or a minute reading Vanity Fair other than when you or someone else refers to some cockymamie article in it.

September 20, 2012 at 7:49 p.m.
acerigger said...

harp3339,if a " cockymamie article " tells you the truth,what you gonna do??!!

September 20, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
acerigger said...

acerigger said...

mymy, MY final word(s)to you,F##k You!!TRAITOR!KNOW NOTHING!

September 20, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.
ricardo said...

At his Univision appearance, Romney offered free tacos to anyone who would vote for him. How pathetic.

September 20, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Romney hasn't put his foot in his mouth NEARLY as bad as Obama has in the past.

"Ok, look, you know, when I was a kid, I inhaled frequently. That was the point".

"I believe in redistribution"

"I have been to all 57 states"

"you didn't build that"

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed". (12 people were actually killed)

Romney speaks the truth and you liberals just throw tantrums like babies over it.

Even though he's a clean, articulate black guy, (rather than a dirty, non-articulate black guy which Biden must believe most black guys to be) Obama has had gaffe after gaffe. All you have is a grainy tape of Romney speaking the truth. Big deal.

September 20, 2012 at 9:37 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama told people who were going to weddings that in lieu of wedding gifts for the bride and groom, send monetary donations to the reelect Obama campaign. Pathetic.

September 20, 2012 at 9:44 p.m.
fairmon said...

acerigger said...

harp3339,if a " cockamamie article " tells you the truth,what you gonna do??!!

It hasn't happened and I don't expect it to but if it does I will deal with it then. VF is primarily articles reflecting the opinion of the journalist.

September 20, 2012 at 9:47 p.m.
BluesHarp said...

The hum of the Founders, spinning in their graves, is a great deal less tonight, thanks to James Earl Carter IV and Clay Bennett.

Those of us who prefer reality to the obscene plutocratic demagoguery of Fox and Fiends thank you both for your Patriotic duty in revealing those who not only harbor interests directly contrary to 99% of the American people, but who are actively working to destroy our sacred birthright of self-governing democracy. Kudos to you both.

To those delusional victims in sordid lockstep with those jackals, I can only hope your gullibility will become apparent to you in time to save what we have fought and died for over two centuries.

September 20, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ace, are you eleven?

September 20, 2012 at 10:07 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The poor people Obama left behind

"His rise in politics, his trajectory in politics has led him to make adjustments in his political decision-making. And that's the case with many politicians. So he's no different from many others in that regard. He's a politician," Worrill said.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-vi-the-poor-people-obama-left-behind/article/2508422#.UFvIzY1lS0g

September 20, 2012 at 10:20 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 waded in with the following list of "gaffes."

"Ok, look, you know, when I was a kid, I inhaled frequently. That was the point"

Nobody cares. The man was brutally honest, giving nobody the chance to exploit the fact that he smoked pot. He did it. He inhaled it. So what?

"I believe in redistribution"

So do I, up to a point.

"I have been to all 57 states"

That old crap?

"you didn't build that"

You didn't. It's been settled.

"In case you missed it, this week, there was a tragedy in Kansas. Ten thousand people died -- an entire town destroyed". (12 people were actually killed)"

He goofed. Get over it.

"Romney speaks the truth and you liberals just throw tantrums like babies over it."

He did not speak the truth. He spoke a commonly expressed line that far too many Republicans think is the truth.

It's been debunked repeatedly over the past few days.

"All you have is a grainy tape of Romney speaking the truth. Big deal."

Okay...if you say so, but the "truth" has probably sunk his battleship. 36% of the voters polled by Gallup claim that they no longer support the man.

Obama is rising in the polls, especially in the sswing states, despite an all out effort by Fox News, NewsMax, and Matt Drudge to claim and to convince people otherwise.

September 20, 2012 at 10:25 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Our soldiers fought and died for liberalism? I thought it was all for freedom. The complete opposite of liberalism/socialism.

And Jack, I think he's more like ten. Still circling toys in the Christmas catalog.

I also heard that liberals were trying to ban Obama Christmas ornaments this year. Apparently they're afraid of Christians hanging him from a tree.

September 20, 2012 at 10:29 p.m.
dude_abides said...

A$$hole Wall Street Lobbyist Decides Romney Campaign In Pawlenty Of Trouble

Romney campaign co-chair Pawlenty quits to become lobbyist for Wall Street banks!?!? Just when everything's going their way?! LOL Discomfiting for you chair hangers, eh, what?

September 20, 2012 at 10:32 p.m.
alprova said...

The American Legion Has No Problem With Obama Flag Wall Hanging:

“As far as the American Legion is concerned, it is not a flag,” said John Raughter, the communications director for the American Legion. “It’s political art.”

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/american-legion-obama-flag-is-not-u-s-flag.html

Mine is on it's way. I've got a spot picked out in my office for it.

September 20, 2012 at 10:33 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo, is that why Gallup has Obama and Romney tied at 47?

http://washingtonexaminer.com/chapter-vi-the-poor-people-obama-left-behind/article/2508422#.UFvIzY1lS0g

Your "answers" to my post was lame at best. 47% of people don't pay any federal income tax. Where is the big controversy? You better gas up the old grocery gitter and go buy you some more liberal talking points.

September 20, 2012 at 10:36 p.m.
alprova said...

GOP Senate candidate cites Romney for bad poll numbers

"A new poll out of Wisconsin this week shows Republican Senate candidate Tommy Thompson suddenly falling behind in his race against Democrat Tammy Baldwin."

"Thompson is blaming the slip, in part, on the rocky campaign of Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney."

"The presidential thing is bound to have an impact on every election," Thompson told Madison television station WKOW on Wednesday. "You know, whether you're a Democrat or Republican. If you're a standard-bearer for the presidency is not doing well, it's going to reflect on the down ballot."

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/20/gop-senate-candidate-cites-romney-for-bad-poll-numbers/

September 20, 2012 at 10:41 p.m.
alprova said...

Alpo, is that why Gallup has Obama and Romney tied at 47?

I prefer to go to the source itself. Feast your eyes.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/157544/voters-reaction-romney-comments-tilts-negative.aspx

I also monitor 36 weekly polls taken in all the swing states and crunch the numbers to keep up with how things are going. The results of those 36 polls say that the President is doing just fine and Mitt Romney is not.

"Your "answers" to my post was lame at best."

Okay...I'm not about to argue with you over ancient history.

"47% of people don't pay any federal income tax. Where is the big controversy?"

Dig back through the posts offered by several people in here to get your answer to that question, or remain totally clueless to the facts.

"You better gas up the old grocery gitter and go buy you some more liberal talking points."

No need to. We're up in the polls at the moment, and I have every reason to think that the President will keep on doing well.

Feel free to keep pouring out those desperate posts that no one gives two hoots about.

September 20, 2012 at 10:51 p.m.
acerigger said...

Yes Jack,I'm eleven.Eleven on the scale of 1 to 10 of people who think that short-changing our military vets for political points is low-down,damn near treasonous,and un-American!

If you disagree,you can apply my "last word(s) to my-my" to yourself.(same to you toes)

September 20, 2012 at 11:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Here's the latest 36 poll crunch:

It takes 270 electoral votes to win the Presidency.

As it stands today, Mitt Romney has 191 electoral votes in the bag.

The President has 247 electoral votes in the bag.

The remaining swing states are Colorado (9 electoral votes), Florida (29), Iowa (6), Nevada (6), New Hampshire (4), North Carolina (15), Ohio (18), and Virginia (13).

Obama is leading in all the above states, with the exception of North Carolina. All he has to do to win is to take Nevada and Ohio. That would put him over the top at 271 electoral votes.

Any way you count those electoral votes, Romney would have to take no less than 7 of the eight swing states in order to win. He can lose one of them, but if he loses two, the game is over.

Obama is likely to win Ohio, Nevada, and Virginia as it stands today and for most of the past several weeks.

Mitt will not win his birth state or his home state. Only one time in this nation's entire history has a Presidential candidate ever won an election after losing the popular vote in both.

Adding Paul Ryan to the ticket has done nothing to Obama's standing in the polls in Wisconsin. In fact, just in the past week, Obama's lead in Wisconsin has went up 4 points, except in the sole district that Paul Ryan represents.

So to all you Republican cheerleaders, please keep up the good work of trying to denigrate the President. It's working just as good as it did in 2008.

September 21, 2012 at 12:33 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

BLINDED BY THE (SPOT) LIGHT (slap)

Romney is in flip-flopping overload.

Mitt no longer ridicules 47% of Americans for being worthless slackers addicted to government handouts. Mitt now says he is campaigning for the 100%.

Mitt no longer threatens to repeal Obamacare. He now appreciates the President's recognition that Mitt is the grandfather of Obamacare. Romney went on to brag that now 98% of Massachusetts residents have health insurance and the individual mandate provision is working out fine.

Mitt reminds me a little of Faye Dunaway at the end of "Chinatown." Jake (Jack Nicholson) is slapping Evelyn (Dunaway.)

She says: She's my sister. (slap) She's my daughter. (slap) My sister. (slap) My daughter. (slap) Nicholson yells, "I want the truth!"

Flash forward to today. The Jack Nicholson role will be played by the American electorate. The role of Miss Dunaway will played by the lovely Mitt Romney.

Mitt: I'm a conservative." (slap) I'm a moderate. (slap) A conservative. (slap) A moderate. (slap)

Voters yell, "We want the truth!"

Okay. Here's a truth.

Mitt Romney is buffoon.

September 21, 2012 at 1:39 a.m.
degage said...

Poor ace needs anger managment.

September 21, 2012 at 6:31 a.m.
alprova said...

When people spread lies, especially when it comes to members of the military, it tends to piss people off. mymy has stepped out of bounds more than once. The woman if chocked full of pure ignorance.

http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2012/aug/06/mitt-romney/mitt-romney-says-lawsuit-filed-president-obamas-ca/

September 21, 2012 at 6:38 a.m.
fairmon said...

The stock indexes are up more during Obama's reign than any other recent president. Following a 34% drop just before he took office the S&P 500 has gone up 68% followed by Clinton's time in office at 51% and H.W. Bush's at 48%. HMOs at 163% are the biggest gainer, with health care up only 50%, no wonder why insurance companies like him so much and among his biggest contributors. The biggest gains have been in commodities, silver, oil, gas, gold and copper at between 150 & 186%. Russia's market is up 153% during that time frame. The tech heavy NASDAQ is up 105%.

How can this be when the economy is so bad and so many people unable to find a decent job. Do you still wonder where the newly printed money is going? Are you getting any of it or are you paying the higher prices while the "no inflation CPI" excludes food and energy?

Why is neither candidate talking about the largest transfer of wealth, wealth redistribution, in history not being in America but from America to other countries? The wealth in some middle east countries and China and others from America is staggering.

September 21, 2012 at 6:51 a.m.
Reardon said...

Very insightful cartoon, Mr. Bennett.

With MA government healthcare, it IS true that Romney is half-Democrat!

This should be a reminder to all Conservatives. Actions speak louder than words...

September 21, 2012 at 7 a.m.
alprova said...

Mitt Romney really needs to verify that he too did not express the same sentiment at some point in his past before he takes the opportunity to jump on something that the President stated.

It's really not been a good week for Mitt...

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-change-washington-20120920,0,364627.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fnews%2Fpolitics+%28L.A.+Times+-+Politics%29

September 21, 2012 at 7:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

Reardon said... Very insightful cartoon, Mr. Bennett.

With MA government health care, it IS true that Romney is half-Democrat!

Is that an endorsement? Is it possible we need a half democrat which means also half republican. Would such a person be what is needed for the worn out term bipartisan action to right the economy? I think what we really have is two half a$$ candidates that are owned and operated by special interest with no interest in working and non-working people other than getting their vote.

September 21, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "How can this be when the economy is so bad and so many people unable to find a decent job."

Because the fact is that unemployment has improved, substantially, since December, 2008.

"Do you still wonder where the newly printed money is going?"

Harp, you're smarter than that. You know doggone well that quantitatve easing does not involve creating dollars out of thin air. Those dollars are used to buy treasuries or mortgage backed securities, allowing more investment opportunities by the private sector and individuals.

"Are you getting any of it or are you paying the higher prices while the "no inflation CPI" excludes food and energy?"

You know, it's funny that you mentioned that. I was going through my file cabinets yesterday and pulled out some records from 1994-1996. I discovered my electric bills from 16-18 years ago, and was amazed to discover that I paid about $75 a month more for power on the same building, before I expanded it to twice the size it was back in 1996.

Thank you EPB...

Bargains on food are quite abundant these days. Yeah...some things have gone up, but I love generics and store brands, so I haven't felt very much of a pinch at all when it comes to food prices.

"Why is neither candidate talking about the largest transfer of wealth, wealth redistribution, in history not being in America but from America to other countries?"

Oh no...I know where you're going now...

"The wealth in some middle east countries and China and others from America is staggering."

Two things...

1.) Foreign investments are not a good deal right now. I made the move from foreign stocks to domestic two and a half years ago. The weakening of the dollar is of no consequence to me.

2.) Republicans fostered the environment that allowed the movement of business interests into Asia years ago and now it is biting them in the butt. Could it be that there will be an exodus in the making, that will provide for some of those good 'ole boys to want to come back home? Time will tell.

September 21, 2012 at 7:37 a.m.
dude_abides said...

harp3339 said... "I think what we really have is two half a$$ candidates that are owned and operated by special interest with no interest in working and non-working people other than getting their vote."

As harp "plays it down the middle," one can't help but notice that he paints one candidate with the other candidate's actual privately spoken words! The one thing we DO know is that Romney himself has personally articulated his disdain for half of the voting population. He has since regretted, then 'un-regretted' his words. He's a windsock with Brylcreem.

September 21, 2012 at 7:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

1.) Foreign investments are not a good deal right now. I made the move from foreign stocks to domestic two and a half years ago. The weakening of the dollar is of no consequence to me.

They have never been great unless you open a brokerage account and buy select stocks of a country. It is not worth the effort and risk unless a realy big player. Some of them have lost their butts. Weakening of the dollar and the lost buying power is of consequence to everyone and is one of the reasons for higher gas and food prices.

alprova also said...

2.) Republicans fostered the environment that allowed the movement of business interests into Asia years ago and now it is biting them in the butt. Could it be that there will be an exodus in the making, that will provide for some of those good 'ole boys to want to come back home? Time will tell.

Your party loyalty is admirable but I see both of them equally complicit in the betrayal of American workers.

September 21, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...Harp, you're smarter than that. You know doggone well that quantitatve easing does not involve creating dollars out of thin air. Those dollars are used to buy treasuries or mortgage backed securities, allowing more investment opportunities by the private sector and individuals.

It is an infusion of dollars which means more dollars chasing the same goods which will eventually result in the dollar being worth less. It makes cheap money available for those who need credit the least. It makes owning some financially sound REITS a good idea.

September 21, 2012 at 7:55 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "I think what we really have is two half a$$ candidates that are owned and operated by special interest with no interest in working and non-working people other than getting their vote."

You sure described Mitt Romney alright, and those words came straight from his own mouth.

"Corporations are people.."

"It's not my job to worry about those people.."

I see something far different in Barack Obama. I'll not be citing those differences, because the argument that it starts every time his accomplishments and efforts are offered is simply not worth it.

The man has my vote, for all the good that it will do in the Tri-State area, and that is all there is to it.

Does Obama pander for votes? You bet he does. All politicians do. A politician that goes against the grain, doesn't get elected. Does Obama receive money from special interests? You bet he does because a candidate without enough funds will be sidelined rather quickly these days, but a fundamental fact is that he also receives a great deal of his campaign cash from true, unbundled individuals, in amounts as low as a buck.

Do you think that Mitt Romney has ever received a contribution for a buck, from someone who can barely afford to part with it, because they think that he will represent their interests as President?

You're going to have to forgive me if I find it far more admirable for a man to work on behalf of a greater number of people, including those who exist at the very bottom rung of the ladder of life, rather than to work excusively to put more money into the pockets of those who have most of it already.

I personally don't stand to win or lose a thing if either man wins or loses the Presidency, other than possibly my current health care insurance coverage, if all of ObamaCare is repealed, but my concerns are indeed for other people than myself, and the President we have in office now, has far more people on his mind than that of Mitt Romney, and that is a fact.

September 21, 2012 at 8:07 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Your party loyalty is admirable but I see both of them equally complicit in the betrayal of American workers."

You're probably right, I admit it, but perception can sometimes be reality, and the perception at the moment, regardless of any past deeds or misdeeds that can be raised, is that the Democrats do more for the working man in this country than the Republicans do, so until there is sufficient evidence to overthrow that perception, I'm taking my chances with the Democrats.

September 21, 2012 at 8:31 a.m.
mymy said...

Good Moring Airheads:

45 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

September 21, 2012 at 8:59 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo said: "I personally don't stand to win or lose a thing if either man wins or loses the Presidency, other than possibly my current health care insurance coverage, if all of ObamaCare is repealed, but my concerns are indeed for other people than myself, and the President we have in office now, has far more people on his mind than that of Mitt Romney, and that is a fact".

Man that's a long ass sentence! But feel free to prove your little so called "fact".

September 21, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: " feel free to prove your little so called "fact"."

I don't have to prove a thing. As I stated, Mitt's words tell it all.

September 21, 2012 at 9:30 a.m.
Walden said...

Alprova - just an observation this morning. I haven't read a single word you have written in the last day or so, but you write so much, and so frequently, that you are like the boy who cried wolf. Nobody is listening to your crap anymore (or reading, whatever).

September 21, 2012 at 9:32 a.m.
degage said...

Walden, So true about al.

September 21, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
Walden said...

degage - I'm actually not trying to be mean to old Al. He is probably a good guy, albeit terribly misguided, but I mean, come on man, get a grip!

September 21, 2012 at 9:50 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: "mountainlaurel referred to a vanity fair article about Rove which contained this statement about Romney which was not referenced."

You’re sort of a funny guy, Harp3339. When it comes to facts, honesty, and opinions, I think the journalist who authored that Vanity Fair article put forth a lot more honest effort in ascertaining the facts and presenting a fair opinion to the public than Mitt Romney ever has.

Indeed, what actual facts and truth was Romney referencing when he made his statements about the 47% of Americans who according to Romney "are dependent upon government, who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe that they are entitled to health care, to food, to housing, to you-name-it?"

September 21, 2012 at 9:51 a.m.
mymy said...

Obama’s Army

Who needs elections when we have the mainstream media?

"Does anyone doubt that if it were Romney rather than Obama who led by three points, the creed recited daily on MSNBC would stress the inexact nature of polling and the overwhelming power of conservative millionaires and billionaires? Imagine for a moment that a Republican was president: What would appear on the front pages and at the top of the network news broadcasts? There would be stories on long-term unemployment, stagnant wages, brutalized net worth, and credit downgrades. There would be stories on last weekend’s brazen attack on our base in Afghanistan, which led to the deaths of two Marines and the loss of eight Harrier jets. The White House would be slammed for its changing and evasive explanation of the murder of a U.S. ambassador and his security officers.

Charges of corruption would be leveled at the president for naming the wife of a wealthy contributor to the U.N. General Assembly just weeks after that contributor penned a New York Times op-ed arguing the president does indeed support Israel (though if the president were a Republican support for Israel would not be in doubt). The AP would resurrect its headline from the spring of 2008: “Everything Seemingly Is Spinning Out of Control.” Imagine the deafening, glass-shattering howls as NBC and ABC and CBS and PBS and NPR and CNN and MSNBC and NYT and WAPO and WSJ and AP and Reuters and FT and Bloomberg and Politico demanded accountability.

The fact that the media line is so mutable—that the tone and emphasis of their coverage is merely a function of Obama’s relative position—reveals the extent to which the press has become a withering and slightly deformed appendage of the center-left. This is not a matter of “vetting” the president’s biography and past associations four years into his term. It is a matter of covering Obama’s official record, right now, as the global economy stagnates, Washington deadlocks, Europe teeters, Islamists take power in the Middle East, Iran grows emboldened, Afghanistan falls apart, and China and Russia fester. It is about suggesting, if only hinting, that Obama and not George W. Bush, ATMs, or an idiot in California might be at least somewhat responsible for what is happening in the world.

http://freebeacon.com/obamas-army/

September 21, 2012 at 9:56 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

The only thing surprising about this cartoon is that it was not pulled to make room for a tire ad.

September 21, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
una61 said...

Self portrait on Bennett's "computer".

September 21, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
joneses said...

Clay has really showed his immaturity and lack of class on this one. More proof Clay is the spinless pussy we all know him to be.

September 21, 2012 at 10:19 a.m.
Walden said...

An interesting race to watch this Fall will be for Massachusetts' 4th Congressional District. Sean Bielat, a Marine and man of principal, is facing off against (yet another) Joe Kennedy. In this case, it is Joseph Kennedy III, a vacuous nincompoop whose only "qualification" is his last name (qualification is, of course, used loosely in this case since we are talking about Massachusetts).

September 21, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
mymy said...

WARNING: Liberals do not go here as it is from the Faux Fox News and liberals have a War on Fox!

Interesting interview with Amb. John Bolton

“Their guard has been down for three-and-a-half years! You know, these guys in Libya didn't get the memo! The war on terror is over! If you believe you're operating in a benign environment, you're not going to have adequate intelligence because you don't think you need it.”

http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2012/09/20/bolton-blasts-obamas-massive-failure-libyan-attack-what-when-you-let-your-guard-down-terr

Our in-depth special that examines President Obama's foreign policy 10pm, 9/21 On the Record with Greta Van S.

September 21, 2012 at 10:31 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “I . . . will not spend a penny or a minute reading Vanity Fair other than when you or someone else refers to some cockymamie article in it.”

So what are you saying, Harp3339? Where is the "cockymamie?" Are you denying that money, superpacs, and men like Karl Rove are having a negative impact on U.S. elections?

Surely you’re not denying the point that the Vanity Fair journalist is making about Citizen United and the negative impact that it's having on U.S. elections? Are you, Harp3339? I certainly don't see it as "cockymamie:"

“And so, as a result of Citizens United, the super-pac was born.

A new kind of political-action committee, called an “independent expenditure-only committee” in federal election code and super-pac everywhere else, super-pacs suddenly provided a medium through which unlimited sums could be raised from corporations and unions as well as wealthy individuals, and be spent with the express purpose of electing or defeating a specific candidate.

As long as the new super-pacs did not coordinate their efforts with the candidates themselves—a somewhat muddy and dubious constraint—they could now pour unlimited money into the election. (Under an earlier decision, the 1976 Buckley v. Valeo ruling, the Supreme Court had already struck down certain limitations on expenditures by individuals.)"

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/2012/09/karl-rove-gop-craig-unger

September 21, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

To any MODERATE Dem out there: Are you not embarrassed by the fawning over the Messiah by the MSM? Be honest. (assuming moderate dems still exists)

September 21, 2012 at 10:39 a.m.
JustOneWoman said...

Walden said... Alprova - just an observation this morning. I haven't read a single word you have written in the last day or so, but you write so much, and so frequently, that you are like the boy who cried wolf. Nobody is listening to your crap anymore (or reading, whatever).

Well, I do. And I enjoy watching Alprova shred these guys with truth. I am a moderate Jack, and you are a troll. Walden, I suspect is just another troll as well. But it matters not. I doubt Alprova is here to try and sway any of these jerk's opinions. Whether he calls them out to balance out all the lies and the poo you guys spew, or just can't handle the hate, I for one am glad to read the posts.

Thank you Alprova.

September 21, 2012 at 10:46 a.m.
Walden said...

JustOneAngryFeminazi - thanks for your meaningful contribution.

September 21, 2012 at 10:49 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama campaign abandons white working-class voters in favor of minorities and the educated

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2067223/President-Obamas-2012-campaign-abandons-white-working-class-voters-favor-minorities-educated.html#ixzz277DKTQYk Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Well alpo, it seems Obama DOESN'T care about all the people after all. You're being duped and don't even know it! To hell with the good ol' USA as long as you get your Obamacare and the rest of your freebies your fine and dandy! Obama's a huge failure by any measure, and you just keep saying "no he's not, no he's not"! Look around alpo, the proof is everywhere.

September 21, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo's rendition of "the truth" is nowhere near the truth. His "truth" comes straight out of mediamatters. Word for word.

September 21, 2012 at 10:54 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said to Alprova: “Your party loyalty is admirable but I see both of them equally complicit in the betrayal of American workers."

Sorry, to intrude, Harp3339. But I suspect these American workers will not agree with you:

“GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney says he’s not the outsourcer-in-chief, but the private equity firm he founded is shipping 170 U.S. factory jobs to China in November.

Adding insult to injury, workers at the Sensata Technologies plant in Freeport, Ill., have to train their Chinese replacements. . .

“The Chinese government is providing them with a plant and a cheaper work force,” he said. “A dollar seems to be more important to them than any community responsibility.”

Workers have pleaded with Romney to save their jobs and presented a petition to Bain Capital Partners, which has owned the plant since 2006. But so far, their pleas have fallen on deaf ears.

. . . Romney has said repeatedly on the campaign trail that he hasn’t made any management decisions at Bain since he retired as CEO in 1999.

Critics, however, say Bain has made a mint closing down U.S. factories and shipping good-paying jobs abroad — and that Romney continues to get a share of the company’s profits.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/election-2012/bain-capital-partners-private-equity-firm-founded-gop-presidential-candidate-mitt-romney-shipping-170-u-s-factory-jobs-china-november-article-1.1164368

September 21, 2012 at 10:58 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

For instance, alpo says unemployment is substantially better than 2008. FACT: unemployment is down only 1.9% from the high of 10% in October of 2009. Three years to sluggishly creep down to 8.1%. THAT should have people tripping over themselves to vote Obama. What a joke.

By the way, the pollsters you speak of have been naughty. Turns out they are over sampling democrats to the tune of around 7%. Keep dreaming.

September 21, 2012 at 11:07 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The Bain card has already been played honey. It didn't work, remember? That's old hat now. Time to try something else! Times running out! Hurry now!!

September 21, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
degage said...

laurel, Mitt isn't with bain and hasn't been for awhile. But Obamas fundraiser is associated with Bain.

September 21, 2012 at 11:10 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

JustOneWoman: Not real sure what a troll is. I lived in nooga for many years and still have friends and interests there. How am I a troll? I express opinions. You express opinions. Alpo vomits gas. Seems to me to be an opinion forum. What makes me the troll?

September 21, 2012 at 11:18 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Jack, perhaps a better question is why is the right so embarrassed of their candidate?

Since you brought up the word, do you consider yourself a MODERATE?

Never mind, your endless posts answer that question.

Hey, I think I will fawn over this.. http://www.sfgate.com/business/bloomberg/article/Obama-Takes-Lead-Over-Romney-in-Three-More-3883312.php

September 21, 2012 at 11:22 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

diggity: Because he's not a very good candidate. It's simply a matter of lesser of 2 bads.

September 21, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Sooo, diggity: No answer to my 10:39 question?

September 21, 2012 at 11:28 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Degage said: "Laurel, Mitt isn't with bain and hasn't been for awhile."

Sure, sure, degage. . . We understand . . . When it comes to Bain handing out pink slips to American workers and shipping American jobs off to China, Mitt Romney is just a helpless kind of guy. . . the only thing poor Mitt Romney can do is share in Bain's profits like he also has.

September 21, 2012 at 11:38 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

laurel: That old Bain dog doesn't hunt. (with anyone having half a brain)

September 21, 2012 at 12:13 p.m.
degage said...

Laurel, You didn't address the fact that one of his fundraisers is associated with Bain at the present time. So obama is Ok with taking money from a Bain CEO for his campaign. DSouble standard.

September 21, 2012 at 12:30 p.m.
BobMKE said...

The below is: The Fallacy of Redistribution.

http://www.creators.com/opinion/thomas-sowell.html

September 21, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "laurel: That old Bain dog doesn't hunt."

Old Dog? I don't think so, Jack. No, I realize that you Republicans aren’t very concerned about sending American jobs to countries like China, but some of us are interested. It might be an old issue to you, but it’s not an old issue to those workers who recently got their pink slips from that factory owned by Bain Capital Partners.

As for Mitt Romney, I can’t say that I’m too surprised by his attitude and indifference to the petitions of these workers. It is to be expected. After all Mitt Romney made a fortune carving out huge profits for himself and leaving everyone else holding the bag:

“... What most voters don't know is the way Mitt Romney actually made his fortune: by borrowing vast sums of money that other people were forced to pay back. This is the plain, stark reality that has somehow eluded America's top political journalists for two consecutive presidential campaigns: Mitt Romney is one of the greatest and most irresponsible debt creators of all time. In the past few decades, in fact, Romney has piled more debt onto more unsuspecting companies, written more gigantic checks that other people have to cover, than perhaps all but a handful of people on planet Earth.

By making debt the centerpiece of his campaign, Romney was making a calculated bluff of historic dimensions – placing a massive all-in bet on the rank incompetence of the American press corps. The result has been a brilliant comedy: A man makes a $250 million fortune loading up companies with debt and then extracting million-dollar fees from those same companies, in exchange for the generous service of telling them who needs to be fired in order to finance the debt payments he saddled them with in the first place. That same man then runs for president riding an image of children roasting on flames of debt, choosing as his running mate perhaps the only politician in America more pompous and self-righteous on the subject of the evils of borrowed money than the candidate himself. . .

The unlikeliness of Romney's gambit isn't simply a reflection of his own artlessly unapologetic mindset – it stands as an emblem for the resiliency of the entire sociopathic Wall Street set he represents. Four years ago, the Mitt Romney’s of the world nearly destroyed the global economy with their greed, shortsightedness and – most notably – wildly irresponsible use of debt in pursuit of personal profit. The sight was so disgusting that people everywhere were ready to drop an H-bomb on Lower Manhattan and bayonet the survivors. But today that same insane greed ethos, that same belief in the lunatic pursuit of instant borrowed millions – it's dusted itself off, it's had a shave and a shoeshine, and it's back out there running for president.

Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/greed-and-debt-the-true-story-of-mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-20120829#ixzz276wB74Ny

September 21, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: You need to get your nose outta Media Matters and the chicago thugs talking points. Think for yourself, lass.

September 21, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The U.S. embassy in Islamabad has produced an ad, intended to run in Pakistan, that attempts to soothe Muslim tempers over an online video denigrating Mohammed.

The ad, which is costing the State Department about $70,000 to run, differs little from a widely criticized statement by the U.S. embassy in Cairo earlier this month that sought to appease protestors in Egypt. Both the new State Department ad and the Egyptian embassy statement condemn the video and stress U.S. commitment to religious tolerance.

THIS ADMINISTRATION HASN'T a clue about middle eastern politics.

September 21, 2012 at 1:16 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said....

So what are you saying, Harp3339? Where is the "cockymamie?" Are you denying that money, superpacs, and men like Karl Rove are having a negative impact on U.S. elections?

That is what I am saying. What is the negative impact they are having? Both parties have them spending a fortune which is good for the economy. Surely you don't think they will persuade any significant number of people to vote a certain way? People that can't detect the BS both parties are piling up may deserve what they get. Unions, financials, insurance co.s, Hollywood, etc. and George Soros are stacking money up for the dems. Oil companies, brokers and some less wealthy than Soros are stacking it up for the pubs. Just think about how many people have jobs and are making some good money cranking out all that crap that will achieve nothing. Vanity Fair and the person pinning the opinions in the article that gave you a climax has one motive and that is to sell copies of Vanity Fair. You can find opposing opinions in other publications and similar charges regarding Soros and others. Have you ever voted for someone because someone endorsed them? Surely not, I could not care less who endorses who. I see and hear a candidate, I research their history to see what they did and didn't do. Right or wrong I make my own assessment of their ability, integrity etc. After an interview or a debate I don't listen to the opinions, the spin and interpretations of the CNN or FOX contributers. they will say something like "well, ML, what do you think he meant by "yak, yak, yak" followed up by another leading softball question, it makes me sick. I wonder who annointed them "experts"?

September 21, 2012 at 1:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

Jack - you do remember that Pakistan is not located in the Middle East. Neither is Cairo, if it comes to it. Asia and North Africa are where you find those two nations.

September 21, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML....

It is true that Bain Capital or any other investor that enables a business to prosper is not in that business to be altruistic and just invest so people will have a job regardless if it makes a profit or loses money. It is sad how many people never think about where the money that pays them comes from, including those on the government dole. People in service industries, which is the higher percentage not in the U.S. really think they are essential to the world and it couldn't function without them. That is true for the wealth creating functions that make things people use and need but not having a lot of the service sector would in only some cases cause inconvenience.

Would you retain a business in the U.S. that was not profitable if you could operate in another country and make a profit? How many businesses would have been able to stay in business if Bain had not tried to turn them around which they did in many cases? I wonder why Obama's main jobs man, the GE CEO, built the bulbs plant in China instead of the U.S.?

September 21, 2012 at 1:42 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Jack said: "The ad, which is costing the State Department about $70,000 to run, differs little from a widely criticized statement by the U.S. embassy in Cairo earlier this month that sought to appease protestors in Egypt. Both the new State Department ad and the Egyptian embassy statement condemn the video and stress U.S. commitment to religious tolerance.

THIS ADMINISTRATION HASN'T a clue about middle eastern politics."

Well Jack, why don't you add Romney to that list of those who don't have a clue? He has now condemned the exact same film, while still maintaining his condemnation of the Cairo Embassy's condemnation of said film...

Romney said of Jones: "I think him making it, promoting it, showing it, is disrespectful to people of other faiths. I don’t think that should happen. I think people should have the common courtesy and judgment– the good judgment– not to be – not to offend other peoples’ faiths. It’s a very bad thing, I think, this guy’s doing."

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-denounces-antimuslim-film-20120914,0,7682703.story

September 21, 2012 at 2:07 p.m.
mymy said...

Bill O'Reilly:

The Slacker Factor

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1852276403001/

September 21, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

Guess who is going to release his 2011 tax return?

Mitt Romney paid $1.95 million in taxes on his 2011 investment income of $13.7 million, his campaign revealed on Friday, saying it will make good Friday afternoon on Mr. Romney’s promise earlier this year to eventually release his full returns for that year.

The Republican presidential nominee, who released his 2010 tax returns in January, continues to refuse demands from President Obama’s campaign and other Democrats to release multiple years of his returns. Mr. Obama has sought to portray Mr. Romney as an out-of-touch millionaire who used off-shore accounts and accounting gimmicks to reduce his tax liability.

But Mr. Romney’s lawyer said on the campaign’s Web site that the candidate would release a letter later Friday from his tax advisers providing a summary of his tax liability for a 20-year period from 1990 to 2009.

The campaign said the summary would show that Mr. Romney paid taxes every year during that period, that the lowest annual federal tax rate was 13.66 percent and that the Romneys gave an average of 13.45 percent of their income to charity during the period.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/21/romney-to-release-2011-tax-returns/?hpw

Good to know the Romney Campaign gets its strategy from the cartoon pages, eh? Good girl, mymy.

September 21, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
tderng said...

harp3339 said...Would you retain a business in the U.S. that was not profitable if you could operate in another country and make a profit?

Harp3339,I'm sure that ml would be glad to continually take money out of her own pocket for years possibly decades to keep a business running here in America.I'm sure she would be glad to go personally bankrupt just to keep a business open so her workers would have a job even if there were no buyers for their product.

September 21, 2012 at 2:33 p.m.
miraweb said...

The campaign said that Mr. Romney’s tax liability would have been far lower in 2011 had the Romneys claimed all the full deduction for their charitable contributions. Instead, the campaign said that Mr. Romney took a smaller deduction so that his tax liability would be above the 13 percent that he had earlier said he paid.

His decision to release the of tax documents on a Friday afternoon could help his campaign minimize news coverage of them. Politicians often try to release potentially damaging information just before a weekend, when voters are often paying less attention to their televisions and newspapers.

Though in that case - releasing it last week when all of the U.S. embassies were under attack might have been a better tactical move. Go Team Romney!

September 21, 2012 at 2:37 p.m.
mymy said...

Miraweb: Sure informative what is at the top of your list of what is important in this election. LOL

Obama is a joke on you and you don't see it economically or on foreign policy.

Miller: Obama a 'great talk show host' but not president

http://video.foxnews.com/v/1852276403001/

September 21, 2012 at 2:49 p.m.
miraweb said...

Actually, I do think it matters more to the 47% that Romney is a real horse's a$$ than that he is a rich horse's a$$ who hides his money overseas and is quite creative with his tax deductions.

I would also like to see a letter from PwC stating for which years Romney has refiled his taxes. Could be enlightening.

September 21, 2012 at 3:09 p.m.
miraweb said...

The hidden footage did have one revealing issue that hasn't really surfaced in the news. Romney's states there that his entire financial goal is to bring capital back to the U.S. (remember his baby is Bain Capital). Actually, this is a worthy goal.

If Bain Capital is having trouble getting its hands on money, you can imagine how difficult it is for the rest of American businesses.

However, Romney seems totally blind to the link between capital and the decimation of the middle class, lost value in pensions, and the stripping of value from the housing market.

Just getting the very wealthy to make their closely held funds more available to Bain Capital, sorry, to Mitt Romney, sorry to U.S. interests alone is a very limited view and probably won't solve the problem.

But it is the only view Mitt Romney can see from his very rarified perch.

It can be one of the problems of getting a Harvard degree (or two). Sometimes having a piece of paper that says you know a lot about something makes you suddenly think you know a lot about everything.

Romney's estimate back when he was debating the keystone cops was 15.4% in taxes for this year.

Looks like he overcorrected a wee bit.

Romney's is carrying over $1.1 million to next year so his tax rate doesn't appear to fall below the 13% floor he thought sounded kind of reasonable to people who pay double or triple that number.

September 21, 2012 at 3:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira, Mira, Mira. Thanks for the unnecessary geography lesson. I think you knew what I meant.

September 21, 2012 at 3:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

Well - about half the links are broken on the disclosures page. I'm assuming their webmasters are having some trouble getting all the documents in place. That should resolve itself.

Of more interest, the are no disclosures at all for 2008 and 2009 that I have been able to find.

2009 is the year of the Swiss bank account amnesty.

Have to see when the campaign actually gets all of the links working.

September 21, 2012 at 3:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

Of course, Jack - I'm 'merkin.

Black people are from Africa. Brown people are from the Middle East, unless they do landscaping, right?

September 21, 2012 at 3:24 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira: What point are you trying to make with the glib B.S.? You're talking in riddles. What's you point re the black/brown/landscaping?

September 21, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
Walden said...

Put this in your pipe and smoke it, Losers:

Regarding the newly-filed 2011 Romney Tax Return:

In 2011, the Romneys paid $1,935,708 in taxes on $13,696,951 in mostly investment income.

The Romneys’ effective tax rate for 2011 was 14.1%.

The Romneys donated $4,020,772 to charity in 2011, amounting to nearly 30% of their income.

The Romneys claimed a deduction for $2.25 million of those charitable contributions.The Romneys’ generous charitable donations in 2011 would have significantly reduced their tax obligation for the year. The Romneys thus limited their deduction of charitable contributions to conform to the Governor’s statement in August, based upon the January estimate of income, that he paid at least 13% in income taxes in each of the last 10 years.

The campaign also released details about Romney’s tax returns going back 20 years:

Regarding the PWC [PricewaterhouseCoopers] letter covering the Romneys’ tax filings over 20 years, from 1990 – 2009:

In each year during the entire 20-year period, the Romneys owed both state and federal income taxes.

Over the entire 20-year period, the average annual effective federal tax rate was 20.20%.

Over the entire 20-year period, the lowest annual effective federal personal tax rate was 13.66%.

Over the entire 20-year period, the Romneys gave to charity an average of 13.45% of their adjusted gross income.

Over the entire 20-year period, the total federal and state taxes owed plus the total charitable donations deducted represented 38.49% of total AGI.

During the 20-year period covered by the PWC [PricewaterhouseCoopers] letter, Gov. and Mrs. Romney paid 100 percent of the taxes that they owed.

So to repeat, Romney has paid taxes every year, and oh, has also donated about 13 percent of his income to charity every year.

September 21, 2012 at 3:42 p.m.
miraweb said...

Read through the PwC statement. No information at all on either 2008 or 2009 in any document on the site.

The other documents are starting to appear. Looks like a lot of accountants will be working over the weekend.

September 21, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
mymy said...

Miraweb: if you got you head out of the Liberal media's lying talking points butt, you might find out what is really going on in this country and why Obama needs to go.

I feel sorry for you and yours, you are doing the "thing" to yourself most people wouldn't do!

September 21, 2012 at 4:07 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Walden, something must be wrong with your figures. I remember being told by Harry Reid, as he told the world, that someone knew for sure that Romney hadn't paid his taxes.

So tell me, all, has anybody heard if Harry Reid is still sneaking around with young naked boys? Someone told me that he and Barney Frank spent a lot of time in the restroom together.

We must also remember, those who think 13% is not enough, that is on investment money that has already been taxed at least once before.

September 21, 2012 at 4:16 p.m.
miraweb said...

There are four nuggets in the 2011 tax filing

First - Romney is a major player in a Goldman Sachs Hedge Fund. Not a good sign for fixing the wild-west regulatory problems in investment finance.

Second - Romney's overseas holdings in the Cayman's and Luxembourg are alive and well. He lists 15 "foreign partnerships" - the majority of which have Bain Capital addresses.

Third - The largest charitable contribution the Romney's made, after the Mormon Church, was their own foundation. $1,114,484 to the church. $213,515 to their foundation. More than 80% of their charitable giving was "non-cash" - probably stocks.

Fourth - The Romneys repatriated a huge amount of income to the U.S. in 2008 and 2009. They have pushed some of the credits for "foreign taxes paid" into next year and they listed the tax payments by year in the process. There seem to be three periods of investing:

Governor of Massachusetts - Foreign Taxes Paid - CREDITS TAKEN AGAINST US TAXES

2001 $25,771 - ALL

2002 $28,874 - ALL

2003 $11,173 - ALL

Post-Governor Years

2005 $333,149 - ALL

2006 $276,386 - ALL

2007 $275,488 - ALL

Running for President / Post Swiss Bank Amnesty Years

2008 $151,015 - ALL

2009 $ 81,461 - $62,524 (balance taken in 2011)

2010 $ 67,173 - ALL

There is pretty hard evidence the Romney's shut down a major overseas account (or accounts) in 2009. Mitt - yuz got some 'splainin' to do!

The additional papers are mostly smoke. There is a letter from Feb 2012 that was attached to the very last page of the Federal Elections 2007 filing where Mitt corrected that a property he bought in Missouri that was listed as part of a trust shouldn't have been there.

The PwC letter is pretty minimal. There is nothing new there we haven't heard already and it is very "detail light."

September 21, 2012 at 5:06 p.m.
miraweb said...

One additional point of interest - the Romneys removed the details from all of their "personal employees" off the tax return and began filing them separately.

No guesses on why they did that. Could be privacy thing. Could be related to all the trouble Mitt had with the legality of his landscaping workers. Could be they weren't paying them as normal employees but as contractors, which would look very bad right now.

September 21, 2012 at 5:10 p.m.
miraweb said...

The magnitude of the money that Mitt move back from overseas is even more apparent in the Foreign Tax Credit / General Category Income reporting. Romney has pushed another $101,003 into next year's tax filing, as well.

Year - Foreign Tax - Credit Pushed to 2012 Filing

2007 $148,510 - $125,879

2008 $636,440 - $559,061

2009 $56,891 - $56,891

2010 $690

2011 $303

In other words - Mitt took a half a million in tax credit for 2008 and shifted it to next year.

A rather interesting move.

Love to see those 2008 and 2009 tax returns. I am guessing there is "Gosh, no chance in heck!"

September 21, 2012 at 5:17 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb....

Do you really think tax returns are going to cause someone to vote a certain way? Are you considering voting for Romney and need that information to help you decide? If there was something illegal I trust the IRS and the DOJ would be all over it. If we are OK with a treasury secretary that failed to pay his taxes and explained it with "my bad" I used a software and forgot about that income....whew, maybe he needs to hire an accounting firm to do his. What about the ~1 billion over due from federal employees? The whole tax system is so complex no one really understand it as congress keeps choosing favorites and doing favors by manipulation.

September 21, 2012 at 5:19 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Mira has unfortunately morphed into Alpo. Leftist website cut and paste queen. lol.

September 21, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Poor mira.

First you hope that Ronnie Paul comes and plays the vote sucker for Obama. Well that didn't work out for you.

Next you tried (very hard) to play the "Bain is evil" card. But alas, that's not working out for you either.

Then you vehemently cried for Romney's tax returns to show the world how he "doesn't pay his "taxes". It seems you have nothing there either shortcake.

Seems your quivers' getting thin and nothing is sticking like you thought it would. Now all you have are polls that are over sampling democrats to make Obama voters feel good. And that's almost sad to witness. You're like the little choo choo who could. Just keep saying to yourself, "I think I can, I think I can"!!

September 21, 2012 at 5:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

Again, Romney's comments last week are of much greater interest to most of the country then his taxes - or anybody's taxes, really.

The fact that Romney's overseas investments dramatically rise when he's not running for something - and suddenly drop when the government starts looking into Swiss bank accounts - tells us a lot more about his character.

If Romney wants to create American jobs, he has the means to do it. I hope that after November, he gives that a little thought if he finds himself with too much time on his hands.

September 21, 2012 at 5:29 p.m.
miraweb said...

Jackster -

Actually, I've been heads down in pages of tax returns for a couple of hours. No chance to check the lefty (or righty) web sites.

Found a map yet?

September 21, 2012 at 5:31 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

That's right Jack. I actually went to media matters website last week and found talking points almost verbatim of what you hear the libs say on this forum. The use of the word "debunked" is seen aplenty there. That says it all right there.

If a liberal disagrees with someone, that liberal, in his/her own mind has "debunked" that person. A very weird phenomenon from the liberals. It must be their holier-than-thou-ness coming in to play.

September 21, 2012 at 5:32 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Someone needs to tell Aunt Rosie (mira) that...SWISS BANK ACCOUNTS ARE NOT ILLEGAL!!! And if you find evidence of Romney's tax cheating ways, be sure to let the I.R.S. know about it. Seems their experts might have missed something that a comment forum liberal has found. Be a hero now.

September 21, 2012 at 5:40 p.m.
miraweb said...

There is one question I couldn't quite resolve.

If Mitt is re-adjusting his foreign tax credits for every year from 2007 - 2012 (next year's filing), does that mean he has now amended or refiled all of those returns?

Still waiting for a reporter to ask that question.

September 21, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Mira. Speaking of someone with too much time on their hands....."heads down in tax returns for a couple of hours......."

September 21, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Toes: Ah yes, but you must remember...they are far more enlightened that the great unwashed.

September 21, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

Let's be clear. Swiss bank accounts are not illegal in Switzerland.

The IRS does take a dim view of avoiding taxes by hiding money there. The Swiss Bank Account Tax Amnesty was a part of increasing their enforcement on that very issue.

The truth is we don't know how many times Mitt has been audited by the IRS or if they made any adjustments.

September 21, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.
Walden said...

Mira - still waiting on a reporter to ask that question?

We cannot tell you how many questions we are waiting for reporters to ask Barack Hussein... the Telemundo interview was a good start; let's hope for more "real" questions for this clown in coming weeks (not holding my breath however).

September 21, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.
miraweb said...

TOES - I know. I agree. Now - off to wash my eyeballs. - Aunt Rosie.

September 21, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.
rcastentman said...

How childish....and yet another reason why I would never purchase one of these newspapers. If I could draw a cartoon, I'd draw one depicting Bennett's head so far up the rear end of Obama........all you'd see would be his dangling feet.

September 21, 2012 at 5:49 p.m.

Still trying to make Romney look good.

But his true character shows through in his own defenses.

September 21, 2012 at 5:50 p.m.
Walden said...

After the Telemundo interview of Hussein O, I think we can add journalism to "jobs Americans won't do."

September 21, 2012 at 6:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

tderng said....

Harp3339,I'm sure that ml would be glad to continually take money out of her own pocket for years possibly decades to keep a business running here in America.I'm sure she would be glad to go personally bankrupt just to keep a business open so her workers would have a job even if there were no buyers for their product.

She may do that tderng but she would expect us to pay more taxes and the government borrow money and subsidize her so she could still make a profit.

It amazes me how some people raise hell about people making money on invested risk capital then raise hell because the business tries to make a profit so they can avoid losing the investors money and maybe pay an after tax dividend on which the person receiving the dividend again pays taxes on already taxed money.

It seems to me a lot of public employees, insurance company employees or school teachers are active in this forum.

September 21, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Geezz Mira, you've got it bad...

Be sure and leave us a trail of bread crumbs to follow to your house. We'll send the suicide prevention personnel on November 7th. Michelle can have them make a dry run practice on November 3rd so they know the way.

September 21, 2012 at 6:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said....

The IRS does take a dim view of avoiding taxes by hiding money there. The Swiss Bank Account Tax Amnesty was a part of increasing their enforcement on that very issue.

Taking a dim view is a little different than being illegal. It is perfectly legal if I want to put money made with some over seas investments in a swiss bank account and not bring it to the U.S. I can then use that money to invest in other countries and still not return it to the U.S. I never have to pay the U.S. tax rates unless I return the money to the U.S. which would be very stupid if you are going to invest in businesses in other countries. I can also establish my HQ in Ireland which is among the lsowest corporate tax rate in the world. Why would I not do that? The way people bad mouth and criticize good businesses and interfere with good business practices gives them a lot of incentive to say to heck with that, I can do better and be treated better elsewhere.

I have no plans to vote for either candidate but I bet you wouldn't vote for Romney if he paid 50% of his income in taxes?

September 21, 2012 at 6:29 p.m.
ricardo said...

harp, why would anyone vote for a wealthy person in a presidential election if that candidate does not believe in investing in his own country? If you don't believe in American capitalism, why should we vote for you? He should run for president/czar/prime minister of Ireland.

September 21, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
miraweb said...

harp - Actually, not so much. The IRS already has the data and they've started going through it:

http://www.mahanyertl.com/mahanyertl/us-opens-encrypted-swiss-banking-data/1968/

If anything, it proves the point that corporations may be people, but they aren't Americans. An important point when any firm starts looking for subsidies and tax breaks.

If you're moving money and jobs overseas, then a tax break makes very little sense.

September 21, 2012 at 6:35 p.m.
miraweb said...

I have always been troubled by people whose biggest risk has been "capital" - especially when it is so often other people's money they are risking.

If having "skin in the game" means money to you, then you don't have "skin" in what isn't a game for most people.

Try having "roof" in the game or "food" in the game if you want to feel tough and macho.

September 21, 2012 at 6:39 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Here's what Romney had to say about the Obama/Univision interview:

ROMNEY: We face a Washington that's broken, that can't get the job done. The president today threw in the white flag of surrender again. He said he can't change Washington from inside, he could only change it from outside. Well, we're gonna give him that chance in November. He's going outside!

September 21, 2012 at 6:40 p.m.
mymy said...

Talk about out on a limb. Send the guys from the phyco ward with a straight jacket! Mira is a goner!!

September 21, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Today's posts look like a chess master playing against several opponents at once. Miraweb strolls from table to table. degage has put himself in check and refuses to accept it. TOES tries to castle three times in a row. Walden is sacrificing pieces like he's playing backgammon. Jack_Dennis is crashing his horsies together making sibilant sounds. mymy is screaming "king me!" tu_quoque stumbles into the room smelling like a brothel carpet, throws up vodka and a Waffle House breakfast, and nosedives into her table, mumbling over and over "I concede, baby, I concede."

September 21, 2012 at 6:41 p.m.
miraweb said...

Even I was a little skeptical (in the age of photoshop) when stories began circulating about Romney's extra-special Univision tan.

There are enough independent photos now, that it seems he really did "bake" a little before that interview.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-election/9559401/Romney-releases-more-tax-detail-in-bid-to-silence-critics.html

"The man who really, really, really wants to be president - or, maybe, chief oompa-loompa"

September 21, 2012 at 6:43 p.m.
ricardo said...

miraweb said..."Even I was a little skeptical (in the age of photoshop) when stories began circulating about Romney's extra-special Univision tan.

There are enough independent photos now, that it seems he really did "bake" a little before that interview."

If he gets any darker, he will need to self-deport.

September 21, 2012 at 6:47 p.m.
Walden said...

Dream on dude. Your drug-induced stupor must feel pretty good to you right now.

September 21, 2012 at 6:50 p.m.
Walden said...

Looks like Romney's alleged "tan" is helping him out! So sorry Libtards!

http://www.deadline.com/2012/09/mitt-romney-edges-barack-obama-in-univision-viewers-presidential-election/

September 21, 2012 at 6:59 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Romney doubles Obama's charitable giving

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/sep/21/romney-doubles-obamas-charitable-giving/

Over 38% of his income went to charity. Evil bastard.

September 21, 2012 at 7:09 p.m.
mymy said...

Liberalism is a mental disease. This is LOL proof!

September 21, 2012 at 7:10 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Then dude chimes in from mothers' basement, mumbles incoherently, and continues playing Warcraft.

September 21, 2012 at 7:12 p.m.
miraweb said...

A couple of observations from the analysis by that liberal rag The Wall Street Journal:

In January, they estimated the Romneys’ 2011 adjusted gross income had been $20.9 million. But when the actual tax return was filed Friday, their AGI was significantly less, at $13.7 million. The main differences were capital gains, which were reported as $6.8 million, vs. the $10.7 million earlier estimate, and income from partnerships, S corporations and other entities, reported as $120,000, vs. an earlier estimate of $2.8 million.

CPA David Kautter of the Kogod Tax Center at American University estimates that if Mr. Romney had deducted the full $4 million of deduction instead of only $2.25 millon, his effective tax rate would have been about 10.5%  

Interesting observation: Mitt Romney paid more in taxes than he was legally required to in 2011 – something he once said would disqualify him for the presidency. “I've paid all the taxes required by law,” Mr. Romney said in an interview with ABC News in July. “I don't pay more than are legally due and frankly if I had paid more than are legally due I don't think I'd be qualified to become president. I'd think people would want me to follow the law and pay only what the tax code requires.”

Mitt and Ann’s return is 379 pages long, and they filed a form indicating that it will be submitted on paper.  The three trust returns total another 434 pages. That means someone at the IRS will have to keypunch  in over 800 pages of data for the Romneys’ returns. Ouch!

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2012/09/21/live-audit-the-romney-tax-documents/

"Mitt - creating new jobs at the IRS!"

September 21, 2012 at 7:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Walden said... "Dream on dude. Your drug-induced stupor must feel pretty good to you right now."

At-least-I-don't-use-superfluous-hyphens. But seriously, are you really having to find television show audiences to show something at which Mitt got a higher number? It appears Romney has melanin envy.

September 21, 2012 at 7:15 p.m.
dude_abides said...

TOES02800 said... Then dude chimes in from mothers' basement, mumbles incoherently, and continues playing Warcraft.

LMAO! TOES, honestly, I've never met your mother.

September 21, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
alprova said...

JustOneWoman wrote: "Thank you Alprova."

You're very welcome, and thank you for the kind words.

September 21, 2012 at 7:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

Well - in the Mormon church if you don't pay your tithes, you don't get the card that lets you into the temple and you get shut out of heaven. Just a little incentive there.

I would be more impressed if Romney was making cash contributions rather than stock. If you can value $100 million in private stock that you control low enough to fit it all into an IRA account, then writing off stock donations (that you can also value as high as you want) as charitable giving looks a little less sweet and beautiful.

I do hope the Romneys do a Clinton or Gates and start solving the world's real problems with that nest egg they're building.

So far "miser" Romney still seems to be at the helm. That plane that got stuck on the runway for four hours last week had an electrical fire today in the air - with Ann Romney onboard.

They made an emergency landing and all were fine.

Romney - listen, dude - you really can afford it. Get a dog sitter when you go on vacation and Get a new effing plane! It's your wife, man.

September 21, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Alpo's rendition of "the truth" is nowhere near the truth. His "truth" comes straight out of mediamatters. Word for word."

You're such a little weasel. I'd ask you to back that up with proof, but it would be a waste of time to ask you to back up anything, because you never do.

Media Matters? I very seldom quote a thing on that site.

September 21, 2012 at 7:26 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “What is the negative impact they are having? Both parties have them spending a fortune which is good for the economy.”

I believe you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth on this issue, Harp3339. A few threads back, you were complaining about special involvement in U.S. elections and now you’re advocating for special interests involvement in U. S. elections. Make up your mind, Harp3339.

Fortunately, the majority of Americans seem to have more savvy and consistency than you when it comes to this issue. In fact, the last poll that I read indicated that over eighty percent of Americans opposed the Citizens United Supreme Court ruling that allows our American political system to be corrupted by the influence of special interest money in politics.

And the other good news is that in spite of politicians like Mitt Romney who try to convince us that “corporations are people too,” a growing number of local, state, federal bodies, and organizations like People for the America Way are stepping forward, passing resolutions and introducing legislation that challenge the undue corporate political influence:”

“Citizens United has profoundly reshaped our elections, opening them up to limitless corporate cash, secret money, and risk of corruption,” said Marge Baker, Executive Vice President of People For the American Way.

“Citizens United has given corporations and the very wealthy unprecedented control over the public debate preceding our elections.

At the same time, new threats are arising to the right to even cast a ballot, as individual citizens are seeing their voting rights taken away by suppressive laws targeted at traditionally disenfranchised communities – especially those who corporate interests fear will vote ‘the wrong way’.

“Our federal courts have an important role in ensuring that the rights of Americans to control our own democracy are preserved. It’s encouraging that the Judiciary Committee is giving these issues the attention they deserve.”

https://www.commondreams.org/newswire/2012/09/12-2

September 21, 2012 at 7:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennnis wrote: "Mira, Mira, Mira. Thanks for the unnecessary geography lesson. I think you knew what I meant."

You are so right. You meant to express pure ignorance.

September 21, 2012 at 7:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Mira: What point are you trying to make with the glib B.S.? You're talking in riddles. What's you point re the black/brown/landscaping?"

Whoosh!!

That was the sound of her very valid point going right past your half-filled cranial cavity and over your head.

September 21, 2012 at 7:51 p.m.
Walden said...

Awwww... the Alprova/JustAnotherAngryFeminist love fest is so cute!

Dude-what-the-F-are-you-talkin'-'bout,-man?

September 21, 2012 at 7:56 p.m.
Walden said...

Al - I'll give you one thing, you have absolutely ruined the whole "Toy Story" thing for me. My kids are in that age range, so I see a lot of Buzz Lightyear stuff these days. Aaaaagghhh! Make it stop!

September 21, 2012 at 8:01 p.m.
alprova said...

Walden, you doggone well know that a letter from PWC is proof of nothing, nor does it have to be accurate at all.

Copies of returns to back up those claimed figures is the only evidence that will satisfy those with lingering doubts about Mitt Romney's tax paying habits and the suspicions about his massive use of tax havens.

There is no one that will believe that letter to be anything but a complete work of fiction.

Mitt would have retained a little credibility had he come clean and thrown PWC under the bus and feigned complete ignorance.

September 21, 2012 at 8:01 p.m.
Walden said...

Al - I doggone know nothing of the sort, man. PwC is a venerable firm, and I seriously doubt they would rest their reputation on a politically-motivated stunt (apologies to the hyphen-sensitive dude for the hyphens).


September 21, 2012 at 8:08 p.m.
Walden said...

Oh boy, the latest Biden idiocy. This stuff just can't be made up!

“Guess what, the cheerleaders in college are the best athletes in college,” Biden said. “You think, I’m joking, they’re almost all gymnasts, the stuff they do on hard wood, it blows my mind.

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/21/biden-on-cheerleaders-the-stuff-they-do-on-hard-wood-it-blows-my-mind/#ixzz279iGs0lS

AWESOME

September 21, 2012 at 8:20 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "That's right Jack. I actually went to media matters website last week and found talking points almost verbatim of what you hear the libs say on this forum. The use of the word "debunked" is seen aplenty there. That says it all right there."

OMG!!! Call the word police. Liberals have stolen the word "Debunked" from Media Matters!!

Tell me Toes, could you be any more pathetic?

"If a liberal disagrees with someone, that liberal, in his/her own mind has "debunked" that person. A very weird phenomenon from the liberals. It must be their holier-than-thou-ness coming in to play."

You have been discredited more times than anyone cares to count. Your denial of that simple fact is quite typical for those who regularly engage in posting the old and the new anti-Obama B.S.

But make no mistake. You need to keep it up, for the efforts to demean the President go nowhere at all. They backfire every time.

September 21, 2012 at 8:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The liberal way. "We want Romney's tax returns! And if there's nothing illegal about them, then we'll "debunk" the source! But if there IS foul play, then we'll hold that source to be the gospel truth"!

Alpo lives in dreamland. If a source doesn't jive with his liberal theory, it must be all lies. Yet every source that he agrees with is, amazingly, the truth of all truths! Go figure. Can you spell liberal hack?

September 21, 2012 at 8:23 p.m.
alprova said...

miraweb wrote: "If Mitt is re-adjusting his foreign tax credits for every year from 2007 - 2012 (next year's filing), does that mean he has now amended or refiled all of those returns?"

Most likely he has, which is why he refuses to release returns for those years. He knows that it would paint a very bad picture of him.

"Still waiting for a reporter to ask that question."

You can bet that those kind of questions will be forthcoming in the coming days, that is if he allows himself to be in a setting where he fields any questions at all.

September 21, 2012 at 8:27 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The truly pathetic here is you fuc#wad. You're a bitter clinger to Obama's underwear and nothing will sway you from that. You've been "debunked" on here more than you realize.

September 21, 2012 at 8:28 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Walden, where did you find that Nixon avatar? I'm jealous.

September 21, 2012 at 8:34 p.m.
Walden said...

"You can bet that those kind of questions will be forthcoming in the coming days, that is if he allows himself to be in a setting where he fields any questions at all."

Go get 'em Al! On the converse, you can be that no hard-hitting questions are going to be asked of BHO in the "coming" days...

again, apologies to dude for the hyphen usage.

September 21, 2012 at 8:35 p.m.
Walden said...

cute dude, very cute.

September 21, 2012 at 8:37 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES20800 wrote: "Over 38% of his income went to charity. Evil bastard."

If, and I do mean IF there is a shred of truth beyond what his released tax returns claim in charitable deductions, the overwhelming majority of what he gave, went to the Mormon Church.

September 21, 2012 at 8:42 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Lash out TOES!! Git you some! It's just good clean Christian fun watching you boil. You got them "Caint Figure It Out Blues."

September 21, 2012 at 8:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "Al - I doggone know nothing of the sort, man. PwC is a venerable firm, and I seriously doubt they would rest their reputation on a politically-motivated stunt (apologies to the hyphen-sensitive dude for the hyphens)."

Well...I'll tell you what; Somebody has copies of Mitt and Ann's returns going back a few yesrs. They were accessed from the IRS by a computer located in Clarksville, Tennessee a month or so ago.

Despite a full-blown FBI investigation, no one has been nailed yet, so copies of those returns are out there in la-la land somewhere.

Sooner or later, they are going to surface on the web.

And if the suspicions hold true, those returns may sink not only Mitt, but PWC as well.

When it happens, let's be sure to revisit the issue...okay?

September 21, 2012 at 8:53 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “It is true that Bain Capital or any other investor that enables a business to prosper is not in that business to be altruistic and just invest so people will have a job regardless if it makes a profit or loses money.” . . . Would you retain a business in the U.S. that was not profitable if you could operate in another country and make a profit?

Please, Harp3339. Why don’t you just say like it is? Corporations put profits before people. We also know why some these corporations are setting up their operations in other countries – the exploitation of cheap labor, lax labor laws, and scant health & safety regulations for the workers. And the recent Pakistani factory fire that occurred last month is a good demonstration of just how scant these worker safety regulations are in some of these countries:

“A factory monitoring group, heavily financed by industry, gave a clean bill of health to a Pakistani apparel plant last month, just weeks before a fire engulfed the premises and killed nearly 300 workers, many of them trapped behind locked exit doors.

In August, two inspectors who visited the factory, Ali Enterprises in Karachi, to examine working conditions gave it a prestigious SA8000 certification. That means it met international standards in nine areas, including health and safety, child labor and minimum wages. The two inspectors were working on behalf of Social Accountability International, a nonprofit monitoring group based in New York that obtains much of its financing from corporations and relies on 21 affiliates around the world to do most of its inspections.

Weeks later, on Sept. 12, a fire swept the plant, trapping hundreds of workers in a building with barred windows and just one open exit, resulting in one of the worst industrial disasters in history - one that killed nearly twice as many workers as the landmark Triangle Shirtwaist Factory fire of 1911 in New York.

The Karachi tragedy is a huge embarrassment to the factory monitoring system, in which many Western garment and electronics companies rely on auditing groups to provide a coveted seal of approval to their low-cost suppliers in the developing world. . .

In a statement about the fire, S.A.I. said, ''The enormity of this tragedy points to endemic issues in the apparel industry for decent working conditions.''

http://www.fireengineering.com/news/2012/09/20/doubts-about-pakistan-safety-nl-after-disastrous-fire-at-factory-inspections-come-under-scrutiny.html

September 21, 2012 at 8:55 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Alpo lives in dreamland. If a source doesn't jive with his liberal theory, it must be all lies. Yet every source that he agrees with is, amazingly, the truth of all truths! Go figure. Can you spell liberal hack?"

You know I deal in facts. You have never successfully refuted a thing I have ever challenged you to back up. You move on to the next bit of misinformation, misrepresentation, or outright lie, as if no challenge has been issued.

"The truly pathetic here is you fuc#wad. You're a bitter clinger to Obama's underwear and nothing will sway you from that. You've been "debunked" on here more than you realize."

I'm far from perfect and unlike you and a few others, I will immediately fess up if I am wrong.

But I cannot recall one time that you have ever "debunked" a doggone thing that anyone else has ever offered.

You drop your little turds of wisdom like a doggie does on the next door neighbors lawn, and then you hightail it on to the next post as if you were marking your territory, wee weeing as you go.

September 21, 2012 at 9:03 p.m.
alprova said...

Walden wrote: "Go get 'em Al! On the converse, you can bet that no hard-hitting questions are going to be asked of BHO in the "coming" days..."

Jealous much?

September 21, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Copies of returns to back up those claimed figures is the only evidence that will satisfy those with lingering doubts about Mitt Romney's tax paying habits and the suspicions about his massive use of tax havens.

alpro...do you think if Romney released prestine clean returns for upteen years he would pick up one vote as a result? Anyone that does not believe him when he says he paid all the income and other taxes he was legally obligated to would not vote for him if he released his returns and proved it.

I am not saying he will or should be president but his tax returns are a non-issue and noise that distract from the real issues. I am not suggesting he would be a good president or that I trust him and I would not trust Obama in an hout house with a muzzle on. I can't stand the man, I don't think he is creidible and will say what he needs to based on who he thinks is listening.

You may be able to clear up miraweb's misunderstanding of what I can deduct if I give stock to a church or non-profit charity. I think I can claim no more than the fair market value at the time dontated? Of course I have to show a gain or loss vs. cost. The benefit to the recepient is they can hold the stock and take dividends or sell it at a higher price without paying capital gains tax.

miraweb said.... miraweb said... Well - in the Mormon church if you don't pay your tithes, you don't get the card that lets you into the temple and you get shut out of heaven. Just a little incentive there.

I would be more impressed if Romney was making cash contributions rather than stock. If you can value $100 million in private stock that you control low enough to fit it all into an IRA account, then writing off stock donations (that you can also value as high as you want) as charitable giving looks a little less sweet and beautiful.

September 21, 2012 at 9:12 p.m.
alprova said...

Mitt's 2011 tax return is coming up substantially different from the financial diclosure he provided to be allowed to run for President.

Look forward to hearing more about that in the coming days as well.

He really is having a bad, bad week.

September 21, 2012 at 9:13 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo: The Joseph Goebbels for the Redistributionist-in-Chief .

September 21, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
Walden said...

Al - you are spiraling down into conspiracy land man.

September 21, 2012 at 9:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Klan meeting over, Jack_?

September 21, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
alprova said...

"Stop it. This is hard. You want to try it? Get in the ring. This is hard and, you know, it’s an important thing that we’re doing right now and it’s an important election and it is time for all Americans to realize how significant this election is and how lucky we are to have someone with Mitt’s qualifications and experience and know-how to be able to have the opportunity to run this country." -- Ann Romney, Mitt's most ardent defender.

"This week I called the Romney campaign incompetent, but only because I was being polite. I really meant to call it a rolling calamity." -- Wall Street Journal’s Peggy Noonan, Mitt's most ardent critic.

It's getting real folks...

September 21, 2012 at 9:23 p.m.
miraweb said...

I did hear the first self-reflective thing Mitt Romney has said on the campaign.

When asked if his campaign was in trouble, he responded that no, no - the campaign was just fine.

When the reporter pressed a little about the video clips, Romney responded that, no - that wasn't the campaign having trouble.

It was him.

At last - morning in America!

September 21, 2012 at 9:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said....

I have always been troubled by people whose biggest risk has been "capital" - especially when it is so often other people's money they are risking.

If having "skin in the game" means money to you, then you don't have "skin" in what isn't a game for

Try having "roof" in the game or "food" in the game if you want to feel tough and macho.

Where do you think roofs and food come from? Somebody took a risk, bought a farm with borrowed money and grew the food hoping to make a profit or return on their investment.

Some people took a chance on making roofing and others took a chance on hauling it while others invested in a roofing company. All to make a profit and put food on their table and the table of the people working for them.

Over half the people taking those risk lose everything and have to start over. Some that are now wealthy were broke several times then finally a risk paid off. Do you have a clue what investors do or the risk they take? You can invest and make money if you wanted to but you could lose money also.

September 21, 2012 at 9:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

Toes - the 38.4% number is the one that PwC put in their letter as the average of Romney's federal taxes, plus state taxes, plus charitable deductions.

I read through the PwC letter. It has all the flavor of a firm caught between a really, really good client who has tossed them an awful lot of expensive business and might become president - and their professional reputation.

There is only one paragraph covering the 20 years of tax returns. It has the look of something that has been through legal about 8 times and was written by some poor soul caught between their boss and a hard place.

I don't think PwC really wanted to get caught in the middle of a campaign. I'm guessing the fee they charged Romney for that document reflected that.

September 21, 2012 at 9:36 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said...

Please, Harp3339. Why don’t you just say like it is? Corporations put profits before people. Not true unless you mean before providing people work in spite of no profits then it is true.

Money and investors go to where they are treated best and they are treated worse in the U.S. than most places in the world with the exceptions of France, England and Russia. U.S. regulations for the most part are no problem but a lot of the local, state and federal government imposed cost that is not necessary is a killer. California is the worst state in the country to have a business, which of course they are losing so fast they can't count them.

September 21, 2012 at 9:41 p.m.
timbo said...

Another drawIng mistake by the pinko Bennett. That "ass" is really on a donkey and it has nothing to do with Romney. It represents all of you National Socialist Obama worshipers. Anyone who would vote for that pissant should put "dumb" before the "ass."

September 21, 2012 at 9:49 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said...

I believe you’re talking out of both sides of your mouth on this issue, Harp3339. A few threads back, you were complaining about special involvement in U.S. elections and now you’re advocating for special interests involvement in U. S. elections. Make up your mind, Harp3339.

Super pacs, in my opinion are not a special interest other then spending a ton of money on campaign commercials that have little impact. Those that meet with members of congress in private to gain support for their cause is a major problem and lobbyist are a problem.

Super pacs are a wash with them urniating all over each other and thinking they will influence peoples vote. Anyone letting journalist and a super pac influence them deserve whatever they get. Keep that money flowing and people working on super pacs stuff. Work and income is work and income, so what if you don't like what they do...you probably like and believe the Obama pacs.

September 21, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
alprova said...

"Al - you are spiraling down into conspiracy land man."

No conspiracy theory here.

It's merely a case of a man who really, really wants to be President, who has spent most of his adult life getting insanely rich by buying the remains of businesses in distress, who went on to borrow the limit of the business credit line, banking the money, and then bankrupting them.

With his ill gotten gains, the man has made heavy investments both domestically and abroad, and living off of those profits, has paid a lower percentage of his income to the IRS in the form of taxes, than most, if not all of his domestic employees.

Out of four political races that he has entered, he has won one time. He spent four years in office as Governor of his home state that thinks so much of him, that he is now losing by 20 points to his competitor, who has no ties whatsoever to the state. While running for office as Governor, there was controversy over exposed dishonesty surrounding his tax returns too.

The man has flip-flopped so many times over his political career as a candidate, that no one truly has a clue what the man stands for or believes in.

He's a charitable giver...to the Mormon Church -- a Church that is known for taking care of its own, first and foremost.

Conspiracy? No...I'm afraid not. A conspiracy usually involves more than one person. Mitt Romney is a one-man show, and that show is getting bad reviews all over the place.

Mitt Romney stated back last May that "It's not my job to worry about those who don't pay taxes" and that's okay Mitt, for it doesn't look like you're going to have a job to worry about, and you can go back to avoid paying taxes.

September 21, 2012 at 9:54 p.m.
miraweb said...

harp notes - Over half the people taking those risk lose everything and have to start over. Some that are now wealthy were broke several times then finally a risk paid off. Do you have a clue what investors do or the risk they take? You can invest and make money if you wanted to but you could lose money also.

The smallest business takes those risks too, often without the legal and financial protections that larger firms can manage.

When the "risk takers" go broke - we offer them bankruptcy protection. They keep their car. They keep their house. Their debts get wiped out.

When a "risk takers" corporation fails - they can put it out of its misery. The following day they can start a new venture without a big hangover.

When small businesses need loans - the SBA can step in.

When small businesses suffer disasters - the federal government lends a hand (and money) to get them on their feet.

When companies buy new assets we allow them to value the equipment over time.

These things are valuable and add to our overall well-being. It is worth extending those protections to those who are trying to build companies.

That said, taking risks with investments is not in the same league as those who everyday manage life in a far more difficult "game."

September 21, 2012 at 9:55 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Alpo, I didn't think it possible, but as the election nears, you're sinking further into serious mental illness. Do you secrete while dreaming of the Redistributionist in Chief? Seek help, Alpy.

September 21, 2012 at 10:01 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo said... "Anyone who would vote for that pissant should put "dumb" before the "ass."

dumbass.

September 21, 2012 at 10:09 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Nevada Republican to Harry Reid: Make our day, release your 2011 tax return

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/sep/21/nevada-republican-harry-reid-make-our-day-release-/

Where's dingy harry's returns?

September 21, 2012 at 10:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

In his own little self-righteous mind, alpo doesn't get the concept of a comment page. He thinks it is a platform to "educate" the unwashed masses to the righteous truth liberalism/socialism.

Like his earlier post about how the unemployment rate is "substantially" improved since 2008 is a flat out lie.

I simply went to the BLS and found that in fact 1.9% drop in unemployment is in no way "substantial". Especially after the billions if not trillions of dollars spent by his messiah.

So alpo, you have proven yourself to not be objective, but rather a political hack that walks and talks liberalism/socialism. You've been busted on that fact several times.

September 21, 2012 at 10:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "alpro...do you think if Romney released prestine clean returns for upteen years he would pick up one vote as a result?"

Sure he would, but we both know that will never happen.

"Anyone that does not believe him when he says he paid all the income and other taxes he was legally obligated to would not vote for him if he released his returns and proved it."

Well it wouldn't change my vote, but I'm sure that there are indeed people who would respond favorably to a little proof that the man is ethical when it comes to paying his taxes.

"I am not saying he will or should be president but his tax returns are a non-issue and noise that distract from the real issues."

Well let's see. I think most people want to be able to trust a man who stands in front of them, proclaiming that he believes in plugging loopholes in the tax laws, if there is proof that he, himself has not used those very loopholes to avoid paying taxes himself.

His refusal to give up those tax returns is what has made his tax returns a very big issue and a major distraction to boot. For Pete's sake, what is the man hiding?

"I am not suggesting he would be a good president or that I trust him and I would not trust Obama in an hout house with a muzzle on. I can't stand the man, I don't think he is creidible and will say what he needs to based on who he thinks is listening."

Okay.

"You may be able to clear up miraweb's misunderstanding of what I can deduct if I give stock to a church or non-profit charity. I think I can claim no more than the fair market value at the time dontated?"

That depends on the amount of time that you have owned the stock. If you have owned it a year or less, you can only deduct the cost of the stock. If you have owned the stock for more than a year, then you can deduct the fair market value at the time it was donated.

"Of course I have to show a gain or loss vs. cost."

Only short-term investments are subject to that rule. Long-term investments can be deducted 100% with no tax implications on the giver.

"The benefit to the recepient is they can hold the stock and take dividends or sell it at a higher price without paying capital gains tax."

You're referring to the charity that the stock is donated to, right? If so, as long as the capital gains from the sale are used by the organization just like other cash donations, then there are no tax liabilities incurred by the charitable organization on those gains.

September 21, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

^^^^^^^ Alpo at his gassiest. Sheer verbal flatulence. Someone please put a sock in his mouth.

September 21, 2012 at 11:06 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "Alpo, I didn't think it possible, but as the election nears, you're sinking further into serious mental illness."

Your first mistake is to think that you are thinking. Don't just sit there are accuse me of "sinking into serious mental illness."

Explain it to me like you would a six year old. Why is it, exactly, that you feel that I am suffering from mental illness?

"Do you secrete while dreaming of the Redistributionist in Chief?"

I would follow that up by asking you when the last time was that you had a wet dream, but that would require you to attain an erection, and I'm sure that any possibility of that occurring flew out the window a couple of decades ago.

"Seek help, Alpy"

Get a life of your own. Have you ever been to a movie theater? Ever sat near a bozo who constantly yaps at the actors on the screen as if they can hear him/her?

That's you.

September 21, 2012 at 11:21 p.m.
miraweb said...

The only thing I would add is that valuation is fairly trivial in a publically-traded asset.

The concern I was raising was that Mitt seems to have already used some "strategic valuations" in the non-public assets that he holds to build a really amazing tax shelter in his IRA with a stated value now in the hundreds of millions of dollars.

The only strategy that can get there from here is to have extremely low values for stocks when they are moved into the IRA that massively rise shortly after.

The reverse of that strategy could be used to further reduce tax liabilitites through charitable giving.

If the asset is privately held - it is just as hard to assess its actual value as it would be for the IRA.

It is just different sides of the teeter-totter - with both strategies resulting in lower taxes.

If the asset is obviously under or over valued, and the IRS takes exception - yes, the benefit would be disallowed.

There might be more chance to catch that in a IRA than in giving as the asset sits in one place for a longer period of time.

You are also taking on the possibility that you might have to explain to the ruler of all creation why you shorted the church donations. That's a whole different level of risk.

Can't say if Mitt tried anything like this. What is available indicates that his tax-minimizing strategies have become substantially more aggressive in recent years.

September 21, 2012 at 11:31 p.m.
miraweb said...

Sorry - there is one other way to get that much money into an IRA.

If you make the maximum (with self-employment contributions) of $49,500 for a long period of time - say something around 2000 years - you can also get to that number.

Maybe only a 1000 years with a reasonable interest rate.

:-)

September 21, 2012 at 11:42 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Lightbulb!! Mira IS Alpo.

September 21, 2012 at 11:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

Naw - but I do have a lot of respect for the guy.

You know, they have nice maps over at Google. ;-)

September 21, 2012 at 11:49 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "In his own little self-righteous mind, alpo doesn't get the concept of a comment page. He thinks it is a platform to "educate" the unwashed masses to the righteous truth liberalism/socialism."

What I believe in, is a discussion that is based on facts and the absolute truth. If you want to dispense nothing but lies, you can expect to get called on the carpet for them.

If you like the lies so much, there are plenty of places on the web where you can post them and receive a pat on the back for doing so.

"Like his earlier post about how the unemployment rate is "substantially" improved since 2008 is a flat out lie."

You're intentionally misrepresenting my words. I did not make any statement in regard to the unemployment rate.

I stated that 4.6 million jobs have been created in the private sector since January 20, 2009, when President Obama walked into the Oval Office as President. That is a verifiable fact.

I have also stated that the President does not deserve credit for that figure. No President creates private sector jobs. The private sector creates those jobs all by itself.

I also stated that for 31 months straight, more jobs have been created than were lost. That too is a verifiable fact.

Any way you slice it or dice it, a positive number of jobs created is great news. There is nothing negative about it, not that people like yourself have not tried to claim a negative out of a positive.

4.6 million people are working that were not working 3.5 years ago. If you had 4.6 million dollars fall from the sky into your lap, that would be something substantial, would it not?

"I simply went to the BLS and found that in fact 1.9% drop in unemployment is in no way "substantial". Especially after the billions if not trillions of dollars spent by his messiah."

What Congress has spent is another subject altogether. Money was spent to save jobs that are separate and totally unrelated to the private sector job creation count.

And contrary to your wing-flapping, and since you did bring it up, I'll go on record by indeed stating that a 1.9% drop in unemployment is indeed substantial, whether you agree with it or not.

That percentage represents a net gain of 2.5 million jobs for Americans since we went above the zero line 31 months ago.

"So alpo, you have proven yourself to not be objective, but rather a political hack that walks and talks liberalism/socialism. You've been busted on that fact several times"

The only thing you have busted is your own hind end, repeatedly by attempting to take me on.

But you're free to give it another go anytime you wish. Might I suggest a little more padding on your butt in the future?

September 22, 2012 at 12:01 a.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis wrote: "^^^^^^^ Alpo at his gassiest. Sheer verbal flatulence. Someone please put a sock in his mouth."

The above statement illustrates that you may be suffering some mental issues of your own. Why?

Because you have never "heard" me say one word. You have only the opportunity to "read" what I type.

Therefore, putting a "sock in my mouth" will not accomplish a thing, if your goal is to hear less from me. You're hearing nothing as it is, unless of course, you routinely hear voices when no one is around you.

September 22, 2012 at 12:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said....

What is available indicates that his tax-minimizing strategies have become substantially more aggressive in recent years.

His being Romney of course. What is wrong with that if it is legal? Did Obama pass up any legal deductions? If the IRS finds anything intentionally done illegally to avoid taxes I will help stone him to death. But, I see no reason to bash anyone that uses the tax system created by congress to minimize their taxes. I do that every year including, if possible, the timing of selling an investment in a way it is a long term capital gain instead of short term.

I simply don't see tax returns as an issue or a reason to vote or not vote for someone if the IRS doesn't find them to be illegal.

I would bet there could be nothing in Romney's returns that would result in your voting for him. If he contributed every penny of his wealth to your favorite charity you wouldn't vote for him. I really don't care who wins the election as long as the stock market is open. I don't care if the market goes up or down as long as it is open and active. I am confident your only motivation is to bash Romney and hope that influences a voter to vote for Obama. Good luck but I really don't think you will do any more than firm up those that would have voted for him anyway.

September 22, 2012 at 5:11 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “Super pacs, in my opinion are not a special interest other then spending a ton of money on campaign commercials that have little impact... Super pacs are a wash with them urniating all over each other and thinking they will influence peoples vote."

You’re speaking out of both sides of your mouth again, Harp3339. A few posts ago, you were complaining about politicians not giving voters a list of their positions and the need for third party candidates to be fully heard in these debates. And now you’re advocating on behalf of these superpacs owners and rambling on about this alleged joy that voters are suppose to feel in watching these superpac owners urinate all over each other.

Well, no thanks, Harp3339. It’s time for the voters to do a little potty training and set up a system of limitations when in comes to special interest corruption and money in politics. We can start by letting corporations know they are not people. Granted, some of these destructive self-serving political sickos like Karl Rove will have to find another occupation and you will need to find another form of amusement but it’s for the greater good of America.

"Harp3339 said: “Money and investors go to where they are treated best . . . with the U.S. regulations for the most part are no problem but a lot of the local, state and federal government imposed cost that is not necessary is a killer. California is the worst state in the country to have a business. . ."

Once gain, Harp3339, why don’t you just be straightforward and tell you it like it really is. The businesses and corporations that are setting up shops in some of these other countries are doing so because they benefit financially from exploiting tax laws, lax labor laws, scant safety/health worker regulations, and cheap labor - including child labor.

In regard to California, I’m curious, Harp3339. Indeed, since you claim to be in the know about all of these laws and regulations, why don’t you take a few minutes and provide us with some specific details as to what you’re referencing. What laws and regulations does California have in place that do not exist in other States - especially in a State like Tennessee?

September 22, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
stanleyyelnats said...

Vote for Willard RMoney and his specifics to SCREW you... !

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September 23, 2012 at 2:03 p.m.
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