published Wednesday, September 26th, 2012

NFL

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Jack_Dennis said...

Riveting

September 26, 2012 at 12:35 a.m.
Easy123 said...

It would seem Mr. Bennett is thinking along the same lines as you:

"Jack_Dennis said..."

"You lefties are the biggest threat to our country since the replacement refs."

September 25, 2012 at 11:25 p.m.


You use sarcasm when Bennett makes reference to the exact same thing you referenced only an hour before. Hypocrisy. Pretentiousness. Sanctimoniousness. Shall I go on?

Very riveting, indeed.

:-)

September 26, 2012 at 1:29 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Context, Easy. Would you like to try again?

September 26, 2012 at 1:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

Oh, you mean the context of using sarcasm when Bennett makes reference to the exact same thing you referenced only an hour before? I mentioned that already, remember? Or are you trying to say their is a marked difference between you making reference to the replacement NFL referees by typing the words and Bennett making the same reference by drawing a cartoon? Or maybe you were talking about a different set of replacement referee's? Either way, your hypocrisy is painfully obvious.

I'll leave the 'trying again' up to you after that ever-so-weak rebuttal. Still riveted, by the way.

September 26, 2012 at 1:42 a.m.
ricardo said...

Even anti-union Wisconsin governor Scott Walker was calling for the return of unionized NFL referees. Hypocrite.

September 26, 2012 at 4:40 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Non-instant replay could fix SOME bad calls?

Wiscosinites don't have to pay for the NFL, but they do have to pay taxes. Regular NFL refs would probably do a much better job than these replacements; Chicago public schools aren't all that great.

September 26, 2012 at 5:52 a.m.
alprova said...

It is indeed a funny thing to witness the usual anti-union folk suddenly call for the NFL to negotiate with the referees, over a few bad calls during football games.

What the owners are attempting to negotiate is a bit unusual. They want the referees, who have always been considered part-time employees, free to pursue other jobs when not actively making calls on the field during games, to dedicate themselves to the NFL as full-time employees, and preclude them from accepting other employment.

Okay, a little dedication is not too much to ask for, but at a time when the NFL is more profitable than ever, they have also decided to trim pay that referees earn, eliminate their traditional pensions, and replace them with 401k's.

Does anyone truly wonder why the refs decided to walk? It's not as if the team owners are experiencing financial difficulties.

Over the past few days, I have heard sentiment expressed by my Republican pals that nobody watches a game to see a referee perform, and that they are just being "selfish." Of course, that all changed after Monday night's game between the Seattle Seahawks and the Green Bay Packers.

I think the entire nation went ballistic over the Green Bay interception that was ultimately called a touchdown by the Seahawks. Oh the humanity!! How could such a thing happen?

It would be safe to say that the usual criticism that union workers are shiftless and lazy has taken a seat in the back of the bus...for the moment anyway

I am one of many people that finds the outrage expressed of late and the desire for the NFL to settle their dispute with the referees very soon, to be a little more than hilarious.

It's just a game, isn't it? Who really cares if the temporary ref's calls are fair or correct? C'mon people, cut those temporary refs some slack. After all, their fumbles are more than worth it, if it teaches those "selfish," pampered, shiftless union represented referees a lesson for daring to reject a demand that they receive less for full-time employment. They deserve to be locked out until they come to their senses and bow to the terms that the NFL has asked them to accept.

Or do they? It certainly does have some people walking on waffles at the moment, that's for sure.

September 26, 2012 at 6:21 a.m.
Yossarian25 said...

47% of replacement referees are victims

September 26, 2012 at 6:21 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Non-instant replay could fix SOME bad calls?"

No. They only have the instant replays in stock. It takes too long to review the non-instant replays.

"Wiscosinites don't have to pay for the NFL, but they do have to pay taxes."

They do? Who knew?

"Regular NFL refs would probably do a much better job than these replacements"

I think you're being totally unfair. The "regular refs" all decided to take an extended vacation at the same time, and they deserve to get some rest, don't they?

Quit picking on those replacement refs. They're under a great deal of pressure at the moment and if they think they are being criticized all the time, their job performance will suffer immensely.

I read yesterday that all the replacement referees were closet Libertarians. You really ought to be more supportive.

Sing 'em a song and dedicate it to them. That'll square things.

"Chicago public schools aren't all that great."

Huh? Did the price of tea in China suddenly rise?

It truly is amazing sometimes to witness how your mind works. You must have ate a plate full of beans for supper yesterday evening, for that last sentence, which has nothing at all to do with the NFL Referee dispute, simply has to be a brain fart.

September 26, 2012 at 6:45 a.m.
EaTn said...

The most important part of this issue is that it is stealing the limelight from commercials on the upcoming election. How many ways can the Obama team keep reminding folks of the reasons to disqualify Romney as presidential material?

September 26, 2012 at 6:48 a.m.
alprova said...

EaTN wrote: "How many ways can the Obama team keep reminding folks of the reasons to disqualify Romney as presidential material?"

At least as many ways that the Romney camp has reminded folks of the reasons why the President doesn't deserve to be reelected.

I watched a reporter on CNN grill Mitt Romney over his complaint that the President was running a dishonest campain. Romney was asked whether he felt that it was time to back off of his dishonest claim that the President had "gutted welfare to work," to which Mitt Romeny responded that it was not a dishonest claim.

The reporter cited all the fact-checking organizations that had documented the fact that his claim was indeed absolutely dishonest. Mitt simply smiled and kept insisting that the claim was on target and the fact-checkers had it wrong.

Mitt is full of sh**.

September 26, 2012 at 7:19 a.m.
dude_abides said...

61% already have an unfavorable view of how Romney is running his campaign? What happens when he takes the gloves off? OMG. We may need a Replacement Romney! Does Etch-A-Sketch make a replay booth?

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/criticism-of-romneys-campaign-grows-six-in-10-rate-his-efforts-negatively/

September 26, 2012 at 7:26 a.m.
quietreader said...

I guess this one was so non-controversial that you all had to make up something to argue about.

September 26, 2012 at 7:38 a.m.
degage said...

When I saw the toon I said Wow something fresh from Clay. Then I started to read the liberals comments and realized they can't get away from the same ole same ole. It would be hilarious if it wasn't so pitiful.

September 26, 2012 at 7:50 a.m.
rolando said...

Under Dear Fuhrer II, by 2016 the 47% freeloaders will become the 99% freeloaders dependent on him; mainly because there will be no free enterprise jobs...they will have no choice. 'Course their standard of living will be at Kenya's level by then, but hey! it's all free, man!!

By then, Congress will be even more marginalized, the Supremes will be controlled by Der Fuhrer II's men, and he will rule by fiat [Executive Order] for life from his $35million Hawaiian fortress-on-the-hill.

Those over 65 will be weeded out by ObamaCare denying them needed but costly medical treatment [other than euthanasia], thereby reducing its cost dramatically. [That is already happening.]

Did I forget Sharia Law will be an everyday part of our Ruling Class' legal decisions?

Hope you enjoy "1984".

Me, I am bitterly clinging to my guns, ammo, and religion right to the end.

September 26, 2012 at 7:54 a.m.
rolando said...

That's TWO relatively non-controversial, non-partisan toons in a row for Our Man Clay. That's some sort of record for him.

I would guess his Progressiveness was coming out a bit over-strong for even the TFP Leaders...

September 26, 2012 at 7:58 a.m.
alprova said...

"Under Dear Fuhrer II, by 2016 the 47% freeloaders will become the 99% freeloaders dependent on him; mainly because there will be no free enterprise jobs...they will have no choice. 'Course their standard of living will be at Kenya's level by then, but hey! it's all free, man!!"

Do you even have a brain, capable of rational thought? You type like you work for Alex Jones or WND.

"By then, Congress will be even more marginalized, the Supremes will be controlled by Der Fuhrer's men, and he will rule by fiat [Executive Order] for life from his $35million Hawaiian fortress-on-the-hill."

Unbelievable B.S. In 2016, when his second term ends, he will pass the torch on to the next President, just like all the others have.

You Obama bashers are utterly stupid beyond belief sometimes. Of course, you Sir amassed that reputation a long time ago.

"Those over 65 will be weeded out by ObamaCare denying them needed but costly medical treatment [other than euthanasia], thereby reducing its cost dramatically. [That is already happening.]"

You're just full of crap today, aren't you Rolando? Do you really think that there is anyone who for one second is swallowing your expressions of pure conjecture, based on something as firm as the water in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean?

I really don't like doing this, but it's long past time to type it.

Rolando, your mind routinely takes a deep dive off a cliff, but you just crossed over into establishing yourself as a moronic idiot.

"Hope you enjoy "1984"."

Goodness knows you are happily enjoying the world of dementia.

September 26, 2012 at 8:11 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I wonder if Clay has one of those hats with a Pulitzer symbol on it, his name marked around the symbol, and political cartoonist on the propeller blades.

September 26, 2012 at 8:18 a.m.
rolando said...

You ignore the history of Germany of 1920-1945 as well as the USSR, alpo. Both are excellent examples of what I spoke. Nor are they the only ones...Cuba, NoKorea, China, Venezuela, et al come to mind.

You live in a vacuum totally ignorant of world history, don't you? In examining our current situation, if you do that, we are well on the road I described.

You are blind only because you refuse to see.

September 26, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
mymy said...

40 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

The Beanie could easily be changed and sold as the Official Obama Administration hat since he has made nothing but wrong calls for this country.

September 26, 2012 at 8:26 a.m.
EaTn said...

rolando.....the situation you just described was my feelings the last Bush/Cheney term. What a relief I felt for the country their last day in office. Never before in my life had I felt the oppressive nature of secretive and covert actions against us citizens.

September 26, 2012 at 8:32 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

from yesterday...

mountainlaurel said... "More than 8-in-10 (83 percent) Americans say that those who commit violence in the name of Christianity are not truly Christian. On the other hand, less than half (48 percent) of Americans extend this same principle to Muslims and say that those who commit violence in the name of Islam are not truly Muslim."

This is not surprising because this is what we have learned or have been taught by what we see in the news. It would be more interesting if you compared the first opinion of Christians on Christians to a similar poll done on Muslims concerning Muslims. Do you think 83% of Muslims would say that Muslims who commit violence in the name of Islam are not Muslims?

I searched all over trying to find the poll on Muslims concerning Muslims committing violence in the name of Islam and came up dry. That is kind of scary. You know the poll has been done. Why don't they share the results?

September 26, 2012 at 8:57 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

So why is Mitt Romney complaining? The NFL has been using his game plan;

"NFL Follows Corporate America's Game Plan in Referees Dispute"

"Everybody's talking about the Packers and Seahawks, but the issues in the labor dispute behind the debacle have gotten less attention. You ignore them at your peril, because a lot of companies are calling the same plays . . ."

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-packers-seahawks-referees-hiltzik-20120926,0,2570919.column

September 26, 2012 at 8:59 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The search continues. It seems like most of the references I can find on Muslim's opinions about violence are down. Humm. I guess it must be information that does not fit the politically correct template.

September 26, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.
Leaf said...

Rolando, what are you smokin', dude? Seriously, that's waaaay out there. If you aren't on drugs right now, perhaps you should be.

Remember, the refs didn't walk out, they were locked out. It was the owners' choice to go with the replacements. I don't blame the replacements for not being up to the task. They're doing a better job than I could. But serously, the NFL owners sure do like money. What would it cost them to get the refs back? Would they have to forgo the racing stripes on their new private jets? Poor babies.

September 26, 2012 at 9:06 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I can sympathize with the NFL Refs not wanting their pensions converted to 401K's. If the US government and the FED stay on their current course all of our 401K's will be worth nothing in a few years.

September 26, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

That reminds me, this week should be a good opportunity to buy precious metals. The recent drop in the market might motivate fund managers to sell gold and silver to improve their fund performance for the quarter, which ends Friday.

September 26, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
MTJohn said...

rolando said..."Under Dear Fuhrer II, by 2016..."

To my knowledge, Rolando, Karl Rove is the only person who has advocated one-party rule in this country. He has been saying that since he supported Ronald Reagan. Today, he is supporting Mitt Romney and his organization, Crossroads GPS, has mounted a very focused effort to gain Republican control of the senate.

Note that one rhetorical device that Rove has consistently used to gain popular support is to accurately describe his own faults and then ascribe them to his political opponents. You obviously have over-dosed on Rove's snake oil.

September 26, 2012 at 9:39 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said..."I can sympathize with the NFL Refs not wanting their pensions converted to 401K's. If the US government and the FED stay on their current course all of our 401K's will be worth nothing in a few years."

Yours and mine will be worthless, BRP. However, it's almost certain that investments held by the 1% will be worth a lot more. Trickle down economics really does work - just in the other direction.

September 26, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
conservative said...

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

September 26, 2012 at 10:09 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Leaf nailed it. He's resentful of the NFL owners for being wealthy. ALPO, aka Baghdad Al, is now an expert on NFL matters. A kind of espn pundit. Similar to Chris Berman. (mostly gas) dude_ is, well, just dude_. Seeing life thru a fog of chronic smoke. (and thinking himself glib)

September 26, 2012 at 10:11 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

MTJohn said... "Yours and mine will be worthless, BRP. However, it's almost certain that investments held by the 1% will be worth a lot more. Trickle down economics really does work - just in the other direction."

I agree about the contrast between the limited investment vehicles in a 401K verses what the extreme rich are investing in. They know how dangerous the government and FED behavior is and have the freedom to respond accordingly.

This phenomenon is not to be confused with "trickle-down economics". The two topics have nothing to do with each other.

September 26, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
ibshame said...

The one thing that might push the owners back to the bargaining table would be loss of profits if the public becomes so disgusted with the replacement refs' bad calls that they stop going to the games and filling up the stadiums. If too many more games are called the way the Packers and Sea Hawks game was the other night, it just might happen.... NOT. LOL

September 26, 2012 at 10:50 a.m.
MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said..."This phenomenon is not to be confused with "trickle-down economics". The two topics have nothing to do with each other."

Well, BRP, I guess that we disagree on that point. I remain of the opinion that the current ugliness in our economy is the direct result of the deregulation and tax policies that were implemented to facilitate trickle down economics. That's not a criticism of the economic theory - it's a statement to the effect that those who benefited from the policies based on that theory did not hold up their end of the bargain.

September 26, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
mtngrl said...

It's looking like Romney might need a replacement campaign, including that pesky VP pick. Looks like "Gilligan" is revolting against "The Stench"

Paul Ryan vs. The Stench

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0912/81618.html?hp=r19

September 26, 2012 at 11:55 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot asked: “Do you think 83% of Muslims would say that Muslims who commit violence in the name of Islam are not Muslims? I searched all over trying to find the poll on Muslims concerning Muslims committing violence in the name of Islam and came up dry.That is kind of scary." . . . BigRidgePatriot added: "The search continues. It seems like most of the references I can find on Muslim's opinions about violence are down.”

Since the poll included the opinions of American Muslims, I don’t think the “scary” conclusion that you’ve drawn is very reasonable, BRP. In fact, I think you’ve made a rather giant leap here. But maybe you’ve forgotten how American Muslim communities and organizations such as the American Muslim Alliance, American Muslim Council, Association of Muslim Scientists and Engineers, Association of Muslim Social Scientists, Council on American-Islamic Relations, Islamic Medical Association of North America, Islamic Circle of North America, Islamic Society of North America, Ministry of Imam W. Deen Mohammed, Muslim American Society and Muslim Public Affairs Council condemned the cowardly acts of 9/11.

As for your “search continued” comment about "references" of Muslim opinons on the subject of religious violence, I don’t think you’re putting much energy in this alleged search, BRP. It only took me about five seconds to find a relatively recent article and reference on the subject:

“As American Muslims, we are civically challenged - challenged by some of our fellow Muslims, by the media, and by our limited success in having our voices (and those of the mainstream of our community) heard.”

”Our e-mail boxes are replete with Muslim condemnations of the violent protests in reaction to the video, “Innocence of Muslims,” yet the perception remains that Muslims are silent to extremism.”

”Thousands around the world, an extremist fringe, are invoking our religion while engaging in destructive and violent protests against America and demonstrating in ways that go against the very essence of the teachings of Islam as understood by the overwhelming majority. Yet, any nuanced socio-political analysis is lost in the simplistic narrative that pits Islam against the West.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/guest-voices/post/us-muslims-are-not-measured-by-the-exemplary-work-of-its-mainstream/2012/09/19/ef651132-0277-11e2-8102-ebee9c66e190_blog.html

September 26, 2012 at 12:14 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel: Seems to me these moderate American Muslims need an agent. I never see those condemnations.

September 26, 2012 at 12:26 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Fifty-five percent of small business owners and manufacturers would not have started their businesses in today’s economy, according to a new poll that also reports 69 percent say President Obama’s regulatory policies have hurt their businesses.

“There is far too much uncertainty, too many burdensome regulations and too few policymakers willing to put aside their egos and fulfill their responsibilities to the American people,” said Jay Thomas, president of the National Association of Manufacturers, which commissioned the poll along with the National Federation of Independent Businesses. “To fix this problem, we need immediate action on pro-growth tax and regulatory policies that put manufacturers in the United States in a position to compete and succeed in an ever-more competitive global economy.”

OF COURSE, YOU MUST remember, none of these guys are as smart as ALPO.

September 26, 2012 at 12:27 p.m.
mymy said...

Obama’s foreign policy is wrong/weak for this country’s best interest and he is still refusing to admit it was a terrorist attack on American soil in Libya. He still blames the video!! What is he covering up? Could it be he doesn’t want to admit on the eve of the election that it was on his watch and his/Clinton’s fault for not having proper security that caused the death of 4 Americans. First Ambassador killed since 1979===Carter era. The possibility of another war breaking out any time as a result of Obama supporting enemies and not allies is very high.

Add to that Obama’s economic policies have failed. This country is in serious trouble and Liberal MSM is lying to cover his behind on both subjects. Unbelievable. Even more unbelievable are the amount of people who can’t see through the lies and just don’t get it!!!

So, waste your time on this “silly stuff” in the “silly season” of a very serious time for this country if you must. So Sad!!

Does anyone want 4 more years of bad calls that will destroy this country?

Romney/Ryan 2012

September 26, 2012 at 12:36 p.m.
mymy said...

mtngrl:

Anybody that thinks the AARP is looking out for anybody's interest but their own, is a fool! Their membership drop significantly after their involvement in Obamacare!

September 26, 2012 at 12:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mymy,

"still refusing to admit it was a terrorist attack on American soil in Libya."

Embassies are not "American soil".

"He still blames the video!! What is he covering up?"

So did the rioters in the Middle East. What conspiracy theories are you advocating?

"The possibility of another war breaking out any time as a result of Obama supporting enemies and not allies is very high."

Which enemies are being supported by Obama? Which allies are being neglected?

"Add to that Obama’s economic policies have failed."

If they failed then why are we recovering?

"Could it be he doesn’t want to admit on the eve of the election that it was on his watch and his/Clinton’s fault for not having proper security that caused the death of 4 Americans."

Define "proper security".

"Does anyone want 4 more years of bad calls that will destroy this country?"

No, that's why people won't vote for Mitt Romney.

September 26, 2012 at 12:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... “As for your “search continued” comment about "references" of Muslim opinons on the subject of religious violence, I don’t think you’re putting much energy in this alleged search, BRP. It only took me about five seconds to find a relatively recent article and reference on the subject:”

I was searching for a poll of Muslims, American or otherwise, that could be compared to the poll that stated 83% of Americans felt that those who commit violence in the name of Christianity are not truly Christian. I looked at your links in good faith and did not find any such poll, just some public relations pieces about Muslim leadership making statements. Don’t you find the complete absence of poll results showing the views of Muslims on the topic rather disconcerting?

September 26, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

You're right easy. Not our soil. It was perfectly ok to overrun our embassy, kill our people. In fact, it was most likely our fault. Sound about right, Abdulla Bin Easy?

September 26, 2012 at 1:11 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

God's blessings on our Jewish brothers on Yom Kippur.

September 26, 2012 at 1:15 p.m.
mymy said...

The American embassies are diplomatic missions of the United States, located in countries all over the world. These embassies exist to represent the interests of the United States and its citizens in these foreign countries. These interests can be political or commercial. Technically, every embassy is legally considered to be American soil. Thus, if you visit an American embassy, American laws apply.

Read more: About the American Embassy | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_6800555_american-embassy.html#ixzz27b2AKCqt

September 26, 2012 at 1:20 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Easy123 said... http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/pdf/feb09/STARTII_Feb09_rpt.pdf

While I don’t appreciate your tone, THANK YOU for the poll. I suppose we will not find a polling question that can be directly compared to that on the American perception of violence in the name of Christianity. Did you happen to notice page 26?

It seems to suggest that a majority of Muslims in Egypt, Indonesia and Pakistan either support or are neutral with their feelings about (Islamic?) groups that attack Americans. I suppose one might conclude that the same majority would not feel that Muslims that commit violence against Americans are not real Muslims. Maybe that is as close as we are going to get.

September 26, 2012 at 1:33 p.m.
mymy said...

mtngrl:

Oh, the gullible left!

Politico’s Paul Ryan Satire: The Joke’s on Them

“Naturally, no writer wants to put a blinking sign indicating "This Is a Joke" above his or her parody piece. But editors should realize that if there is even a chance that such a sign is necessary, it's probably best to spike the whole idea. Otherwise, you might end up fooling a lot of people, maybe even a Nobel Prize winner.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-26/politico-s-paul-ryan-satire-the-joke-s-on-them.html

September 26, 2012 at 1:39 p.m.
alprova said...

Jack_Dennis copy and pasted from somewhere: "Fifty-five percent of small business owners and manufacturers would not have started their businesses in today’s economy, according to a new poll that also reports 69 percent say President Obama’s regulatory policies have hurt their businesses."

I'd just love to see the poll and what entity conducted it. It would reveal, I'm sure, an agenda to convince America that business is just plain sucking at the moment.

Nothing like a little right-wing spin to keep people convinced that the President is hurting the economy, eh?

Cite your source Jackie.

"OF COURSE, YOU MUST remember, none of these guys are as smart as ALPO."

Sir, my business depends on people having more than a little pocket change in their pockets whenever they purchase what I sell, and I don't accept credit cards. Over the past three weeks, I have sold double what was sold all summer long.

Is the money just falling from the sky? Nope. People around here are finding that they have a little more to part with for the creature comforts and the increase in my business proves it conclusively.

September 26, 2012 at 1:41 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

BTW, I never said, nor do I beleive that all Muslims support violence. All of the (American and Canadian) Muslims that I know seem to be pretty good chaps.

September 26, 2012 at 1:45 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123said...Embassies are not "American soil".

http://www.ehow.com/about_6800555_american-embassy.html

I guess it depends on your source.

September 26, 2012 at 1:48 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidge Patriot asked: "Don’t you find the complete absence of poll results showing the views of Muslims on the topic rather disconcerting?"

No, but I read and make an effort to stay updated on current affairs - and I’m also not inclined to search for conspiracy theories, Big Ridge Patriot. You know, BRP, the sad thing about your comments is that the focus of the “poll” mentioned in the Washington Post article that I posted was actually a “Survey - What it Means to be American: Attitudes Towards Increasing Diversity in America Ten Years After 9/11.” If you had taken the time to read a bit more about this particular “poll” before leaping to your “scary” conclusions, you would have known this.

http://publicreligion.org/research/2011/09/what-it-means-to-be-american/

September 26, 2012 at 1:54 p.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Anybody that thinks the AARP is looking out for anybody's interest but their own, is a fool! Their membership drop significantly after their involvement in Obamacare!"

Really? I just joined up myself, as did a couple of other people I know. I'm getting a free airline bag for a one year membership.

AARP has a current membership of about 37 million, which is roughly half of all the people in this country who are over the age of 50. Not many organizations can boast that they represent 50% of a particular demographic.

AARP, like all other organizations out there, most definitely are in it for the bucks they can earn, but what organization isn't? You're not under some illusion that even non-profits are really unprofitable, are you?

September 26, 2012 at 2:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mymy,

"Technically, every embassy is legally considered to be American soil. Thus, if you visit an American embassy, American laws apply."

Wrong.

"There is a common misconception that Embassies and Consulates have extraterritoriality. As anecdotal evidence of this misconception, people will often say things like, “the US Embassy sits upon United States soil.” For the most part, this is not the case as extraterritoriality is not conferred upon an Embassy or Consulate, but in some situations extraterritoriality may be created by Treaty."

http://integrity-legal.com/legal-blog/miscellaneous/laws-and-rules-regarding-extraterritoriality/

September 26, 2012 at 2:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"I guess it depends on your source."

Accurate sources state that our embassies are not "US soil" unless they're granted extraterritoriality by treaty.

http://integrity-legal.com/legal-blog/miscellaneous/laws-and-rules-regarding-extraterritoriality/

September 26, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"Not our soil. It was perfectly ok to overrun our embassy, kill our people. In fact, it was most likely our fault. Sound about right, Abdulla Bin Easy?"

No. Only an idiot would make that inference from my statement. Sound about right, Jack bin Trollin?

September 26, 2012 at 2:10 p.m.
mymy said...

Easy: try again: Your site was all about Thailand!!!

First para:

When dealing with issues involving US Immigration or Immigration to Thailand, one will often run into situations where the legal systems of two sovereign states come into play. Further, dealing with diplomatic missions in the form of Embassies, Consulates, and Charges D’Affairs the concepts of jurisdiction, sovereignty, and extraterritoriality come to the forefront. In this post we will take a quick look at extraterritoriality and how it applies to United States Embassies and Consulates in Thailand and abroad.

September 26, 2012 at 2:29 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "If you had taken the time to read a bit more about this particular “poll” before leaping to your “scary” conclusions, you would have known this."

I am having a hard time understanding how the contents of that link would negate any concern about the lack of polling information on how Muslims (especially American Muslims) feel about violence in the name of Islam. Again, don't you find the omission disconcerting? Don’t you find it rather incredible that no one has done this kind of poll? I am not the one who brought this up, but you did pike my interest.

September 26, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
degage said...

Wow Al, you lucky liberal, you just signed up for AARP and got an airline bag. I know a hugh amount of seniors that canceled their membership including me because they don't represent our conservitive beliefs. But go ahead and enjoy that airline bag since AARP is just what you liberials need.

September 26, 2012 at 2:40 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

airline bag! mwahahaha

September 26, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.
alprova said...

Never mind Jack, I discovered the article quoted on Matt Drudge's page and traced it down from there. The poll was conducted by Public Opinion Stratgies, a firm that absolutely makes no bones about their support for their Republican clients.

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Public_Opinion_Strategies

September 26, 2012 at 2:59 p.m.
mymy said...

This is the LARGEST military videos channel on YouTube! Over 1.25 Million views a month.

US Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other embassy staff were killed when violent protesters attacked the US Embassy. Just a reminder to all that the US Embassy in any country is considered US Soil or territory.

September 26, 2012 at 3:16 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Wow Al, you lucky liberal, you just signed up for AARP and got an airline bag."

Well...there wasn't any "luck" involved. I earned that bag. I had to sit down and write a check, stuff it in an envelope, put a return address label on that envelope, place a stamp on it, and then walk out to the mailbox at the end of my business driveway and put the flag on the side of the mailbox in an upright position.

Boy, am I tuckered out after all that hard work.

"I know a hugh amount of seniors that canceled their membership including me because they don't represent our conservitive beliefs."

Sure you do. I'm quite sure that nobody held the door open for you to leave. I hope it didn't smack you on your fanny on the way out.

"But go ahead and enjoy that airline bag since AARP is just what you liberials need."

Oh I will enjoy it. I could get used to getting freebies.

It's too bad that conservatives have so much trouble finding representation out there.

Every single time you folks make a little headway in running things, you try to go just a little farther over that line in the sand, and SMACK!! goes the fly swatter.

The polls regarding the Congressional races are starting to flow in and it's not looking good for the Republicans this time around. Early estimates suggest that there is a 77% chance of the Democrats taking enough seats in the House of Representatives to resume power once again. The Senate is going to remain in the Democrats hands.

Perhaps if the Republicans had not worked so hard to keep the economy in the toilet to attempt to improve the chances that Obama would be limited to one term, things might be different, but the American people, at least most of them, are definitely a little brighter than some give them credit for being.

September 26, 2012 at 3:28 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: Sort of an un-huffington or un-media matters type site?

September 26, 2012 at 3:53 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... "and I’m also not inclined to search for conspiracy theories"

Ooo! I missed that dig, panned right over it! You know, in this age where the media is not doing its job and the government is actively working to control web content, you might want to consider noticing when information that would obviously be interesting and important is so darn hard to come by.

September 26, 2012 at 3:56 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

I missed the speech. Anyone, did BHO deliver his UN speech in Farsi?

September 26, 2012 at 4:03 p.m.
carlB said...

mymy said... mtngrl: Anybody that thinks the AARP is looking out for anybody's interest but their own, is a fool! Their membership drop significantly after their involvement in Obamacare! September 26, 2012 at 12:40 p.m. ========== Reply: I happen to agree with you about AARP. THEY HAVE TOO MANY "irons in the fire." AARP lost me during the unfunded Medicare Prescription Drug deal.

September 26, 2012 at 4:09 p.m.
carlB said...

I just have to make a point which relates to all the people and what is being said about finding the right educated people to fill the insufficient jobs in the work places and then any newly created job openings. The workers might be highly educated in knowing their jobs, but to do their jobs properly it requires a lot of practice and on the job training to get the workers up to speed.

September 26, 2012 at 5:01 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Mymy,

"Just a reminder to all that the US Embassy in any country is considered US Soil or territory."

No, they are not.

"Diplomatic and consular premises are NOT extraterritorial."

http://fairplaysubstantialjustice.wordpress.com/2009/04/23/are-embassies-considered-united-states-territory/

"In this post we will take a quick look at extraterritoriality and how it applies to United States Embassies and Consulates in Thailand and abroad."

http://integrity-legal.com/legal-blog/miscellaneous/laws-and-rules-regarding-extraterritoriality/

Try reading all the words next time. Then do a little research of your own so you'll stop doubling down on ignorance.

September 26, 2012 at 5:41 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy: Don't you have homework to do?

September 26, 2012 at 6:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

I'm helping your mom shave her back tonight so I got it done early.

September 26, 2012 at 6:11 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ease: Get to bed. The short-bus comes early.

September 26, 2012 at 6:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

I guess you would know all about the short bus pick-up schedule from experience, correct?

Don't overdose on the Viagra tonight, Jackie.

September 26, 2012 at 6:25 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

MTJohn said: "To my knowledge, Rolando, Karl Rove is the only person who has advocated one-party rule in this country. He has been saying that since he supported Ronald Reagan. Today, he is supporting Mitt Romney and his organization, Crossroads GPS, has mounted a very focused effort to gain Republican control of the senate."

Speaking of Republicans and the devil, I just read another interesting article on Rove. Interestingly, the author mentions that the Romney/Ryan folks are hoping Rove's big super-pac will help their faltering campaign. The article also referred to Rove as the father of the Republican Party's voter suppression movement. Needless to say, the big Republican campaign is designed to to restrict voting of Latinos, the elderly, college students, the disabled, and the homeless. . . the GOP campaign Jim Crow 2.0 and Juan Crow.

“. . . As the subhead to one of Rove's Wall Street Journal columns explains, "even a small drop in the share of black voters could wipe out [Obama's] winning margin in North Carolina." Similarly, voter suppression efforts in heavily African-American precincts in, say, Cleveland can help swing the vital battleground state of Ohio into the GOP column. And, as goes Ohio, so goes the nation. According to the Center for American Progress, if all the bills were to be enacted (many of them face legislative and judicial battles), more than 10 percent of the electorate, 21 million Americans, lack voter IDs and might face disenfranchisement.

As the Rove-orchestrated Bush-Cheney campaign showed us in Ohio in 2004, many other elaborate techniques that can help shape the electorate to the liking of the Republicans. In 2004, pre-election 'caging' tactics designed to cast doubt on the addresses of registered voters, targeted African-Americans so their registrations could be challenged on Election Day. Flyers and phone calls provided Democrats with misleading information about when and where to vote. Uneven distribution of voting machines ensured that voters in heavily Republican precincts could zip through voting lines while those living in Democratic neighborhoods had to wait up to eleven hours. The use of provisional ballots given to voters whose eligibility is in doubt was restricted, again disenfranchising tens, if not hundreds of thousands, of Democrats.

Similarly, as I recount in Boss Rove, there was widespread evidence of "cross-voting," an elaborate set of techniques by which punch card ballots can be awarded to the wrong candidate. There was also plenty of evidence mention malfeasance via electronic voting."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/craig-unger/karl-rove-super-pacs_b_1910561.html

September 26, 2012 at 6:56 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_, you (actually all conservative voters) might find this link useful.

http://www.douban.com/group/topic/2787032/

September 26, 2012 at 7:04 p.m.
dude_abides said...
September 26, 2012 at 7:07 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: No end to your distastefulness, huh?

September 26, 2012 at 7:25 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Agreed, Jack_, agreed. But you could still bookmark it, huh?

September 26, 2012 at 7:41 p.m.
ricardo said...

dude_abides said..."Jack_, you (actually all conservative voters) might find this link useful."

That's a good self-help guide for conservatards who wake up Wednesday morning on Nov. 7 and Obama has been re-elected.

September 26, 2012 at 7:58 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Jack_Dennis said... "dude_ is, well, just dude_. Seeing life thru a fog of chronic smoke. (and thinking himself glib)"

That's me, Jack_. Glibber'n hell. Unabashed gliberal. Member of the glibberati. Founder of the Gliberation Movement. Newly elected President of Glibya.

How about those Ohio poll numbers, Jacqueline_?

September 26, 2012 at 8:36 p.m.
ricardo said...

Hey Jack, those Ohio poll numbers look pretty depressing, huh? Don't do anything drastic! Four more years of Obama!

September 26, 2012 at 8:42 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Could be Ricky. Might just be enough morons like you to pull it off.

September 26, 2012 at 9:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Personal foul: Name-calling on Jack Troll.

15 yard penalty and you're still a hypocrite.

September 26, 2012 at 9:08 p.m.
fairmon said...

It is just a game, why do people care if the referee is trying to make the right call and is not on the take by those booking bets.

September 26, 2012 at 9:12 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said...

BigRidgePatriot said..."I can sympathize with the NFL Refs not wanting their pensions converted to 401K's. If the US government and the FED stay on their current course all of our 401K's will be worth nothing in a few years."

Yours and mine will be worthless, BRP. However, it's almost certain that investments held by the 1% will be worth a lot more. Trickle down economics really does work - just in the other direction.

Why not invest in the same investment vehicles the 1% invest in? BRP, I agree accummulating gold and probably silver is a good long term strategy. When inflation starts it will be impossible to reign it in.

September 26, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Nothing like a little right-wing spin to keep people convinced that the President is hurting the economy, eh?

alprova....I am pretty sure you know darn well the president has essentially no control over the economy although they always get the blame or credit which suits congress just fine, they even help transfer the blame for their failures.

I am not but if I were advising republicans I would suggest making sure the other party had total control of both houses and the white houst and start working on the next election cycle which even a third party may be in a position to win. It may get really ugly regardless of who wins.

September 26, 2012 at 9:25 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

harp: If the pubs can't beat this stiff, stick a fork in 'em.

September 26, 2012 at 9:41 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "BRP, I agree accummulating gold and probably silver is a good long term strategy."

Harp, no offense, but such a statement makes me wonder if you know a thing about investing. The only people who come out ahead in investing in precious metals, are pawn shops.

Just out of curiosity, please describe your strategy for investing in precious metals that pays off, long term.

"When inflation starts it will be impossible to reign it in."

By all rights, as bad as the economy was, inflation should be through the roof. It currently stands at less than 2%. I really hate to point out the obvious, but you and BRP are true blue Ron Paulians, and faithful wing-flappers.

September 26, 2012 at 9:41 p.m.
ricardo said...

Obama will win the presidential race. Democrats will retain control of the Senate (thanks Todd Akin), and Republicans will retain control of the House. This will force Republicans to accept tax increases on the top 1% to avoid the sequestration cuts in the defense budget. Obama will be in the driver's seat, and he will have the freedom to make some deals on Social Security and Medicare cuts, since he won't have to worry about re-election.

September 26, 2012 at 9:46 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The lame stream media makes bad call after bad call and the left never says a word. But the replacement refs make some bad calls and the left (NFL analysts included) curl up in the fetal position......and cries.

Here we now have alpo, who is even an expert in the matters of the NFL! Is there no end to the massive stores of information from alpo-AL-Akhbar. And he's even a card-carrying member of the American Association of Retarded Persons to boot! The good ol' AARP! Still duping the elderly into unwittingly donating to the liberal cause for the past 54 years!

September 26, 2012 at 10:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Greek protest turns violent during general strike

http://www.myfoxny.com/story/19644661/greek-protest-turns-violent

Comming soon to America! There's just not enough money to keep those promises.

September 26, 2012 at 10:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "alprova....I am pretty sure you know darn well the president has essentially no control over the economy although they always get the blame or credit which suits congress just fine, they even help transfer the blame for their failures."

Which was my point entirely. It is exactly why my favorite phrase is that "perception is reality" in the minds of many people.

Planting the perception that the President is responsible for and can control things like gas prices (Think Michelle Bachmann and Newt Gingrich), private sector employment or unemployment, even spending, as President Obama has been saddled with, are not factors that a President has any disrect control over.

Gas prices in this country are currently controlled by market forces on an International level. Private sector employment or unemployment respond to how often people pull out their wallets and spend their money. No President can spend one single dime. Every penny spent is authorized or shot down by Congress.

This is the very reason why when people lay claim that President Obama's "policies" are bad for the American economy, they can never cite them.

"I am not but if I were advising republicans I would suggest making sure the other party had total control of both houses and the white houst and start working on the next election cycle which even a third party may be in a position to win. It may get really ugly regardless of who wins."

It's already ugly. I truly can't recall the level of ugliness that has been a part of this election cycle.

There is no secret that I am all for the President being awarded a second term, and I do that for one simple reason; Despite all the dog crap slung at the man, despite all the falsehoods expressed about the man, and despite all the wing-flapping, I, and most American people know full and well that the economy is going in the right direction.

Do I credit President Obama for it? No. But he's done nothing at all to stall the economic recovery that this nation desperately needs.

Mitt Romney's campaign promises to monkey around with deregulation of the financial sector, to monkey around with retirement age programs, to revisit outlawing any and all abortion, and as a "drill baby drill" proponent, indicates to me that the man is not fit to be the CEO of this nation.

Mitt Romney has made his fortune furthering the collapse of American businesses in this country, and walking away with the crumbs. What he did was legal and acceptable among the people in this country who rubber stamp unbridled greed and out of control capitalism, but the man has no place in the White House as a man claiming to represent all of the American people.

It is an ugly election, and it deserves to be ugly. The future of all people, not just a select few, are on the line. Mitt Romney, without any question in my mind, will be going back home on November the 7th to a state that does not support his bid to become President.

September 26, 2012 at 10:42 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

alpo spewed:

Mitt Romney has made his fortune furthering the collapse of American businesses in this country, and walking away with the crumbs.

That, is an outright lie. Freakin' liar.

September 26, 2012 at 11:01 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

alpo says:

Do I credit President Obama for it? No. But he's done nothing at all to stall the economic recovery that this nation desperately needs.

Neither did Romney.

September 26, 2012 at 11:03 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"That, is an outright lie. Freakin' liar."

No, it isn't. I guess you aren't familiar with what Bain Capital actually did.

Freakin' idiot.

September 26, 2012 at 11:11 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

If Obama IS reelected, all is not lost because he would have by then completely demolished every chance for another liberal to wage war on the middle-class. By the the way, over sampling democrats to skew the polls the way you want them only works until election day.

I have many friends and relatives from all over Ohio and they're wondering where all of this support for Obama is. They don't see it and they're not all republicans either. Another media lie to affect an outcome they want.

September 26, 2012 at 11:13 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hey easy" fuc# you. Fuc#king retard. Such a little pussy.

September 26, 2012 at 11:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Do some research punk. Bain saved and created more jobs than it ever lost. Simple minded little kunt.

September 26, 2012 at 11:16 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"all is not lost because he would have by then completely demolished every chance for another liberal to wage war on the middle-class."

Your psychosis has been duly noted.

"By the the way, over sampling democrats to skew the polls the way you want them only works until election day."

You should probably tell your friends at Fox News to stop skewing their polls then. Obama +7 in Ohio according to your beloved Fox News.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/oh/ohio_romney_vs_obama-1860.html#polls

"I have many friends and relatives from all over Ohio and they're wondering where all of this support for Obama is."

I highly doubt you have had this conversation with any of those people but keep pushing that falsehood in attempt to support your claim.

"They don't see it and they're not all republicans either."

How would they "see" it?

"Another media lie to affect an outcome they want."

So you're admitting your pals at Fox News are lying? How does skewing the polls affect the outcome of the Presidential race anyway? It sounds like you're just bitching, moaning, and lying because the polls aren't in your favor. I'm sure you have had a lot of "poles" in your favor in the past, but these polls seem to tell a different story and you just can't stand it.

:-)

September 26, 2012 at 11:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Toes,

"Hey easy" fuc# you. Fuc#king retard. Such a little pussy."

Awwww! Are you mad, sweetheart? LMAO!

"Do some research punk. Bain saved and created more jobs than it ever lost."

Did the research, you whiny bitch. Bain didn't create any jobs. Even Mitt Romney agrees. But they sure as heck helped companies go under.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/05/25/1094754/-Even-Mitt-Romney-admits-Bain-Capital-didn-t-create-jobs

"Simple minded little kunt."

I'm sure your mother wouldn't appreciate you talking about her like that.

September 26, 2012 at 11:29 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Easy says "How does skewing the polls affect the outcome of the Presidential race anyway"? Are you that freakin stupid, Easy-boy? The "skewing" and the MSM media's ranting about a blow-out is meant to keep repubs from voting.....You're terminally naive, little one.

September 26, 2012 at 11:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JackTroll,

"Are you that freakin stupid, Easy-boy? The "skewing" and the MSM media's ranting about a blow-out is meant to keep repubs from voting....."

Why would that keep Repubs from voting? Wouldn't that give Repubs more incentive to vote and encourage other Repubs to vote? And since when do Repubs watch MSNBC? Predicting a blowout aids the underdog in most cases. Are you that freaking dense, Jackie? Heck, your compadres at Fox News have Obama +7 in Ohio. Explain that one, Father Time. Is Fox News trying to keep Repubs from voting as well? Don't worry, I'll wait...

"You're terminally naive, little one."

You're illogical and ignorant, coffin dodger.

September 26, 2012 at 11:40 p.m.
ricardo said...

Jack_Dennis said..."The "skewing" and the MSM media's ranting about a blow-out is meant to keep repubs from voting."

Nah, Mitt Romney is plenty of reason to keep repubes from voting.

September 26, 2012 at 11:44 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "The lame stream media makes bad call after bad call and the left never says a word. But the replacement refs make some bad calls and the left (NFL analysts included) curl up in the fetal position......and cries."

Complaints about media bias swing back and forth depending upon which party is in control. For eight years, while GWB and the Republicans were in charge, it was a totally biased media for the Republicans. Pardon me while I yawn. (yaaaawwwwwwnnn)

"Here we now have alpo, who is even an expert in the matters of the NFL!"

Sir, everything I wrote can be substantiated in several news reports online. I haven't claimed to be an expert in the matters of the NFL, but I do keep myself informed on matters that interest me. Sue me.

Can you refute a single point I raised? If not, then what are you complaining about? That I inform myself to the facts before I wade in on anything? You should pracice a little of that yourself.

"Is there no end to the massive stores of information from alpo-AL-Akhbar."

Sure there is. I don't know a thing about stupid or ignorant people. I don't understand them, like them, or care to be around them.

"And he's even a card-carrying member of the American Association of Retarded Persons to boot! The good ol' AARP! Still duping the elderly into unwittingly donating to the liberal cause for the past 54 years!"

I suppose that the paragraph you just typed up there is an indication of the level of your vast intelligence, and that it establishes yourself as someone with credibility?

Clearly, your mind operates very much like that of a 15 year old.

I am pleased to see you offer something factual for a change. AARP has indeed been representing the interests of like-minded senior citizens for 54 years.

September 27, 2012 at 12:07 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "Do some research punk. Bain saved and created more jobs than it ever lost."

Now I know that is a lie, but you're free to post the proof, if you can, that Bain Capital saved more jobs than it has directly had a hand in killing.

September 27, 2012 at 12:11 a.m.
degage said...

Right Al, I know you really like getting freebees thats why you like big government. that is what liberals are all about.

September 27, 2012 at 6:31 a.m.
dude_abides said...

It's going to be fun watching toes get madder and madder as the Romney train goes further and further off the track.

September 27, 2012 at 7:14 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

harp3339 said... "I agree accummulating gold and probably silver is a good long term strategy. When inflation starts it will be impossible to reign it in."

Precious metals are an insurance policy against really stupid practices in Washington and at the Fed. Even so, the only way to lose money in metals is to be trading all the time and blowing your wad on commissions and mark-up. I cannot think of a better place to be while we have run away debt that is being monetized and two big government candidates fighting for the top spot.

September 27, 2012 at 8:22 a.m.
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