published Thursday, September 27th, 2012

Paul Smith

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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John_Proctor said...

HILARIOUS, Clay. You captured Paul and his sour expression perfectly.

September 27, 2012 at 12:11 a.m.
OllieH said...

Very nice cartoon, Clay.

It does, however, put all of your detractors in a very odd position. How can they reflexively criticize you without defending the Democratic Party Chairman?

September 27, 2012 at 12:20 a.m.
ricardo said...

Salsa said..."Just as I thought. No Paul Smith misogyny cartoon. September 25, 2012 at 9:54 a.m"

September 27, 2012 at 12:24 a.m.
alprova said...

Well, at least Salsa will be pleased with today's topic. I don't expect that there will be very much discussion that will surround this one.

It was, after all, a very funny joke, and one that was passed around my office last week. Even the two women that work for me thought it was hilarious.

Paul Smith's only mistake was to include it in official Party documents. Other than that, this one is a rather bland complaint.

September 27, 2012 at 12:37 a.m.
steve_smith said...

Who needs enemies with friends like this? Did you read David Cook's piece? More moralizing and hand-wringing. Some folks need to just go have a beer. I know I need to from time to time.

September 27, 2012 at 12:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

I thought it was funny the first time I heard it where it was said to have been observed on a tomb stone in an old grave yard in Texas. I have no idea what most women think about it nor do I care. I have noticed the uglier a woman the more reactionary they are. I agree with equal pay for equal work, I agree with equal opportunity, I agree with pro-choice but I don't agree with the extreme sensitivity and all the political correctness crap. Why should anyone care if the local democratic party self destructs? Is it time to ask John Wolfe to return and assume a lead role? I think perhaps citizens would be better off electing independents to local and state governments. Across the country local and state governments have prostituted themselves to the federal government and abdicated their responsibility instead of acting in the best interest of the people they are elected to serve.

September 27, 2012 at 4:57 a.m.
jesse said...

Steve,you have to realize that David Cook and just about all libs have black belts in HAND WRINGING! It's part of their job requirements!

Kinda one of them "swallow a camel and choke on a gnat"situations!

September 27, 2012 at 4:58 a.m.
patriot1 said...

He puts the "rat" in democrat. The chairman of the Democrat Party in Chattanooga says "Women ought to be able to run for office." Wow, the democrat party has really come a long way!!!

September 27, 2012 at 6:01 a.m.
cactus said...

Congratulations Clay! The first cartoon critical of a democrat.

September 27, 2012 at 7:10 a.m.
dude_abides said...

harp3339 said... "I have no idea what most women think about it nor do I care. I have noticed the uglier a woman the more reactionary they are."

What a piece of sh!t you really are, harp. Either your wife is an idiot or you're gay. If you have daughters I pity them. This is yet another post of yours that proves you're not in the middle at all. You're a right winger through and through.

Paul Smith should take a hike. He'd be lucky to get a dog to hang around.

September 27, 2012 at 7:31 a.m.
ibshame said...

Congratulations!!! Right Wing Nuts you finally got your wish- Mr. Bennett has given you a cartoon you can like. Smith's joke was in bad taste for some but still does NOT rise to the level of Todd Aiken (who is now being backed by the same people that abandoned him when he made his comment about "legitimate rape" and how a woman's body can shut down to prevent pregnancy). The really sad part about Aiken is that his comment was SERIOUS and not said as a joke. It's obvious right wing nuts are getting pretty DESPERATE now that Mitt Romney is looking more and more like a loser everyday. He and Ryan are the jokes for now and will be even more so on Nov. 7th if they should lose as predicted.

September 27, 2012 at 7:46 a.m.
jesse said...

Dude calls Harp "a piece of sh!t" for talking about "ugly women"!

Sounds like some one has a case of "lack of objectivity!"

September 27, 2012 at 7:51 a.m.
mymy said...

39 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Romney/Ryan 2012

Obama liar deputy campaign manager Stephanie Cutter said to guest host Susan Page on the Diane Rehm (NPR) Show today.

She must think all women are stupid.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2012/09/24/obamas_cutter_women_not_really_concerned_about_whats_happened_over_the_last_four_years.html

September 27, 2012 at 8:32 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Dude_abides said to Harp3339: "This is yet another post of yours that proves you're not in the middle at all. You're a right winger through and through."

Good post and good observation, Dude_abides. Indeed, the only “reactionaries” that I've ever met and known on a personal level are right wing. As for their physical appearance, I wouldn't call them ugly. Most of them are quite attractive.

September 27, 2012 at 8:39 a.m.
alprova said...

Beauty is only skin deep. I've seen some rather pretty women who had some rather ugly dispositions. Spare me that.

I, for one, do not judge people by their looks. Give me a woman who can carry on an intelligent conversation over dinner, and I'm hooked for life.

My wife has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen, and that is what made me fall in love with her. We married six weeks after we met and have been together two decades.

Harp3339 wrote: "I have noticed the uglier a woman the more reactionary they are."

Gee Harp, thinking something like that is one thing, but did you have to type it?

September 27, 2012 at 8:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

jesse...dude hasn't heard the song to be happy the rest of your life make an ugly woman you wife. I can't see why dude objects to a woman being considered passionate which reactionary can mean.

I am a fiscal conservative and socially liberal.

September 27, 2012 at 8:42 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "39 Days to Go!"

Oops...you lost count. It is 40 days until election day. But you be sure to show up on Monday, November 5, 2012 if you so desire.

September 27, 2012 at 8:43 a.m.
mymy said...

Obama at the Dim Convention:

“So you see, the election four years ago wasn’t about me. It was about you. My fellow citizens, you were the change.”

Yup, you chumps were the change alright:

23 million unemployed

43 straight months of 8+% unemployment

45 million on food stamps

Black poverty at record highs

The middle class has lost 33% of its net worth under Obama

Black youth unemployment over 50%

Hispanic unemployment at 10.3%

Illegals due to receive roughly $7.4 billion through Obama's Additional Child Tax Credit.

Food prices up 15% under Obama

Gas prices doubled under Obama

Obama has the worst job creation record since 1945

Obama recovery the worst in 75 years

Median household income $4,300 declines under Obama

Average family health insurance up $1,500 under Obama

Added $6 trillion to our debt...more than all Prezs. Combined

Presided over only US credit downgrade

Over 100 million people on some form of means tested welfare

Obama's Failed policies hurt 100% of Americans

69 percent of small business owners and manufacturers say President Obama’s Executive Branch and regulatory policies have hurt American small businesses and manufacturers.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/55-percent-of-small-business-owners-would-not-start-company-today-blame-obama/article/2509069?custom_click=rss#.UGMjfZWuXww

September 27, 2012 at 8:59 a.m.
mymy said...

Al: Not counting today or 11/6.

September 27, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.

This is the chance Boss Crutchfield has been waiting for. I’m sure Bunny and Missy wouldn’t mind getting him out of their hair and back in the board room (and back room) where he belongs.

Ward! Ward! Ward! Ward! Ward!

September 27, 2012 at 9:07 a.m.
fairmon said...

alpro said yesterday....

Harp, no offense, but such a statement makes me wonder if you know a thing about investing. The only people who come out ahead in investing in precious metals, are pawn shops.

Just out of curiosity, please describe your strategy for investing in precious metals that pays off, long term.

1-You don't fool with a pawn shop. There are reliable and reputable dealers to do business with.

2-There is no good time to run out and load up but over time keep no more than 10% of your investment capital in precious metals. In recent years you can buy an ETF [GLD & SLV], two of the most popular that is backed by the metal, without taking delivery. The other is to buy the metal or coins when the metal drops and keep them in a safety deposit box or in a fire proof safe in your home. Metals are a hedge against inflation but not a good short term trading instrument. I am sure you may recall when gold was around $300 an ounce. I am not advising you or anyone to run out and put their whole wad in metals now but you ask what I am doing. I am not asking you if you think I am making a mistake investing in metals since I have for years and I am pleased vs. my average cost basis.

September 27, 2012 at 9:13 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...Gee Harp, thinking something like that is one thing, but did you have to type it?

No, but I did. I personally think you can find something beautiful about essentially any woman if you will look and listen. Some of those national radical feminist may be an exception, I have never met one so I don't know.

September 27, 2012 at 9:25 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy wrote: "Al: Not counting today or 11/6."

Why am I surprised? You count days different from everyone else in the world.

Carry on...

September 27, 2012 at 9:31 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Did Bennett emerge from a drug induced haze long enough to see imperfections in a democrat? This cannot be the same cartoonist.

September 27, 2012 at 9:35 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

I don't know this guy, but it looks like Tooney is bashing a DemocRAT. Is there a fever afflicting the area? Is Tooney ill?

September 27, 2012 at 9:36 a.m.
tderng said...

claaay.....you got some splainin to dooo!

Won't you get your liberal i.d. card revoked for portraying a democrat in a negative light?

September 27, 2012 at 9:49 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Beauty might be only skin deep, however, ugly goes all the way to the bone.

September 27, 2012 at 9:54 a.m.
degage said...

tderng, Maybe Clay has seen the light and is jumping ship. Time to get off a sinking ship.

September 27, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
tderng said...

the Mayans miscalculated...the end of the world must be gonna come early!!

September 27, 2012 at 10:10 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: Your 8:40 post made me plumb weepy.

September 27, 2012 at 10:14 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

It's ok alpo. Not everybody can have a pretty woman. We're pullin' for ya.

September 27, 2012 at 10:22 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The Obama campaign apparently didn't look backwards into history when selecting its new campaign slogan, "Forward" — a word with a long and rich association with European Marxism.

Read more: New Obama slogan has long ties to Marxism, socialism - Washington Times http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/inside-politics/2012/apr/30/new-obama-slogan-has-long-ties-marxism-socialism/#ixzz27gHz6mVC Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter

September 27, 2012 at 10:38 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

TAXPAYERS SPENT $1.4 BILLION ON OBAMA FAMILY

BRITAIN SPENDS $53 MILLION ON ROYAL FAMILY

We didn't get nearly what we paid for.

September 27, 2012 at 10:41 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Obama ducks meeting with ‘Bibi’; Clinton to meet with Israel’s Netanyahu

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/27/clinton-meet-netanyahu-after-israelis-un-speech/?page=all#pagebreak

Campaigner-in-chief

September 27, 2012 at 10:43 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Well, it was just a scheduling conflict, TOES.

September 27, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Yeah. They're burning our flag all over the world and Obama's in the same building with their leaders and STILL can't find time to sit down with ANY of them.

This poor excuse for a man is certainly no president.

Can you imagine the day when Iran has nukes and we have none?

September 27, 2012 at 11 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Jim Jones, Jr. AKA Barack Obama.

September 27, 2012 at 11:04 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

And how convenient for the left that only the battle ground states seem to have Obama up by large numbers. It seems to be just about tied everywhere else.....coincidence? Another fraud perpetrated by the left-wing flappers.

September 27, 2012 at 11:05 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Well, another contribution from little nuggets, aka Easy-Troll.

September 27, 2012 at 11:19 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...
September 27, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

No thanks. By the way, nothing can surpass the anal orgy of alpo, easy and duped. They've obviously perfected the three-way train.

September 27, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
mtngrl said...

TOES02800 said...

And how convenient for the left that only the battle ground states seem to have Obama up by large numbers. It seems to be just about tied everywhere else.....coincidence? Another fraud perpetrated by the left-wing flappers."

You get your information from makeupyourownpolls.com?

Here is a good list of where each state stands in the polls:

http://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2012/Pres/EVP_average.html

September 27, 2012 at 11:31 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The Obama phone....... even crack heads need a phone too I guess.

September 27, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

TOES: They make a great threesome. And easy brings the cheap wine and funnel.

September 27, 2012 at 11:34 a.m.
chatt_man said...

That was rich, Jack... and concerning at the same time that they're really out there. Another example of the "what's in it for me" crowd, when it needs to be "what's good for the masses."

September 27, 2012 at 11:39 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

mtngrl: I especially like how the ad on the side of your "polls" page reads: WE SPECIALIZE IN LIBERAL BUMPER STICKERS.......

Trying to "debunk" my post by putting up a liberal poll site is just hilarious beyond belief.

September 27, 2012 at 11:41 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

little noogs AKA Easy....if you're gonna push ecstasy, perhaps you should learn to spell it.

September 27, 2012 at 11:49 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Hey, someone has to pay for that bitch's Obama phone.

September 27, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
mtngrl said...

Toes, that site put out a notice on that sticker ad:

Editorial note: The Obama ad in the right-hand column is from a commercial company selling Obama stickers. Paid ads from companies selling Romney stickers are equally welcome, as are other ads. To buy an ad, go to www.blogads.com. Donations are also welcome using the PayPal button on the right."

Ads do not change the polling results. Where did your data come from?

September 27, 2012 at 11:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

easy-noogs: You prefer the purple or red?

September 27, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
Leaf said...

yeech. Y'all seem to know a lot about gay orgies.

September 27, 2012 at 12:55 p.m.
degage said...

GDP revised down to 1.25

September 27, 2012 at 1:28 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Toes, I flagged your 11:25 post. It was disgusting and crossed the line. Thought you ought to know.

September 27, 2012 at 1:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

For all those who suspected that global warming was a Yankee plot - proof positive!

Seems that high feed prices could spark a bacon shortage.

Oh, the humanity!

http://www.cnbc.com/id/49192757

September 27, 2012 at 1:52 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “Some of those national radical feminist may be an exception.”

Like who, Harp3339? Women like Margaret Sanger or Elizabeth Cady Stanton?

"MARGARET SANGER was born as Margaret Higgins in Corning, New York. Her mother, Anne (Purcell) Higgins, was a devout Catholic who went through 18 pregnancies (with 11 live births) in 22 years before dying at age 50 of tuberculosis and cervical cancer.

In 1921, Sanger founded the American Birth Control League, which later became the Planned Parenthood Federation of America. In New York, Sanger organized the first birth control clinic staffed by all-female doctors, as well as a clinic in Harlem with an entirely African-American staff.

In 1929, she formed the National Committee on Federal Legislation for Birth Control, which served as the focal point of her lobbying efforts to legalize contraception in the United States. From 1952 to 1959, Sanger served as president of the International Planned Parenthood Federation. She died in 1966, and is widely regarded as a founder of the modern birth control movement."

ELIZABETH CADY STANTON was an American social activist, abolitionist, and leading figure of the early woman's movement. Her Declaration of Sentiments, presented at the first women's rights convention held in 1848 in Seneca Falls, New York, is often credited with initiating the first organized woman's rights and woman's suffrage movements in the United States. . .

. . . Unlike many of those involved in the woman's rights movement, Stanton addressed various issues pertaining to women beyond voting rights. Her concerns included women's parental and custody rights, property rights, employment and income rights, divorce, the economic health of the family, and birth control. . .

After the American Civil War, Stanton's commitment to female suffrage caused a schism in the woman's rights movement when she, together with Susan B. Anthony, declined to support passage of the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Amendments to the United States Constitution.

She opposed giving added legal protection and voting rights to African American men while women, black and white, were denied those same rights. Her position on this issue, together with her thoughts on organized Christianity and women's issues beyond voting rights, led to the formation of two separate women's rights organizations that were finally rejoined, with Stanton as president of the joint organization, approximately twenty years after her break from the original women's suffrage movement."

September 27, 2012 at 1:56 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I suppose Bennett finds poking fun at a local democrat more palatable than pointing out how Obama lied, continues to lie, about the motivation for the attack in Libya being a big surprise motived by a You-tube clip.

September 27, 2012 at 2:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

patriot1 said... "One of those hard working Obama voters!!"

This is why the MSM and democrats were so fired up about the 47% comment, because it contains quite a bit of truth. I don't think everyone that gets a government handout is stupid enough to vote for Obama, but the majority of them are for sure.

September 27, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Steve_smith said: "Did you read David Cook's piece? More moralizing and hand-wringing."

I read David Cook's column and thought he gave Paul Smith some sensible advice. The advice may proved to be a wasted effort on a sniveling twit like Paul Smith, but it's still good advice:

It’s important to have an understanding that your own experience is not the only valid one.

It’s important to have a sense of humor, but not at the expense of others.

It’s important to listen to others, especially when hundreds are saying the same thing to you.

It’s important to know when to apologize (see No. 3).

If you can’t, then resign.

September 27, 2012 at 2:28 p.m.
mtngrl said...

Yet another Romney video released, explaining at the beginning of Bain's existance how they planned on making money:

"Bain Capital is an investment partnership which was formed to invest in startup companies and ongoing companies, then to take an active hand in managing them and hopefully, five to eight years later, to harvest them at a significant profit," Romney tells employees of Bain & Company

http://news.yahoo.com/romney-bain-builds-then-harvests-companies-171619152--abc-news-politics.html

September 27, 2012 at 2:55 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

mtngrl: Harvest them at a profit. Oh the horror!

September 27, 2012 at 2:58 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Hold on to your butts. The Samuel L. Jackson political ad has been released and he’s asking Americans to “wake the f— up.”

Seems the cult followers of The Messiah are hell-bent on dropping F-bombs. Why is that?

September 27, 2012 at 3:01 p.m.
mtngrl said...

So as president, who does he plan to harvest for a profit?

September 27, 2012 at 3:02 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Patriot1 said: "One of those hard working Obama voters!!"

Nice try, Patriot1. . but all things considered that poor woman in your video clip sounds a heck of lot better to me than some of these corrupt Romney supporters like Adelson who are spending millions of dollars in an effort to get Romney elected. . . And his reasons for wanting Romney to get elected say it all:

“In August, The New York Times wondered aloud what the rest of the political world wanted to know: Does Sheldon Adelson's effort to put Mitt Romney in the White House have anything to do with the federal criminal investigation into his company's business practices? . . .

. . . In a wide-ranging, two-hour interview with Politico's Mike Allen published Monday, Adelson himself answered the question.

The top reason Adelson gave for backing Romney and opposing President Barack Obama is "self defense," as Allen put it, referencing the probe into Las Vegas Sands Corp. "Adelson said a second Obama term would bring government 'vilification of people that were against him.' He thinks he would be at the top of that list and contends that he already has been targeted for his political activity," Allen wrote.

Adelson's casino empire, the bulk of which is based in Asia, is being investigated for bribery and money laundering. He told Allen that Justice Department officials have been disparaging him in the press. "When I see what's happening to me and this company, about accusations that are unfounded -- that kind of behavior ... has to stop," he told Allen.

In other words, Adelson is spending millions of dollars to curry political favor in the United States, hoping to fend off charges that he spent millions of dollars to curry political favor in Asia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/adelson-investigation-justice-department_n_1917141.html

September 27, 2012 at 3:39 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

laurel: You're right. The phone lady is the PERFECT poster child for the Dem Party. Very typical.

September 27, 2012 at 3:46 p.m.
mymy said...

mtngrl: Your stupidity is amazing. Laurel: You too!

Bain Capital is a private business using ”investor” dollars. The point is to make a profit for the investors. If a business cannot be saved, then it has to be dissolved-no other choice.

Obama does the same thing with our ” tax dollars” and has lost our money and increased the debt, but his big donors got a payback. Where is the justice there?

Investors have a choice we the taxpayer did not!!!!!!!!

September 27, 2012 at 3:51 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "laurel: You're right. The phone lady is the PERFECT poster child for the Dem Party. Very typical."

You poor guy . . . You just can’t stop fibbing. . . Can you, Jack?

QUESTION: Has the Obama administration started a program to use "taxpayer money" to give free cell phones to welfare recipients?

ANSWER: No. Low-income households have been eligible for discounted telephone service for more than a decade. But the program is funded by telecom companies, not by taxes, and the president has nothing to do with it.

FULL ANSWER - Welfare recipients, and others, can receive a free cell phone, but the program is not funded by the government or taxpayer money. . . And it’s hardly new.

HOW IT WORKS - SafeLink Wireless, the program mentioned in the e-mail, does indeed offer a cell phone, about one hour’s worth of calling time per month, and other wireless services like voice mail to eligible low-income households. Applicants have to apply and prove that they are either receiving certain types of government benefits, such as Medicaid, or have household incomes at or below 135 percent of the poverty line. Using 2009 poverty guidelines, that’s $14,620 for an individual and a little under $30,000 for a family of four, with slightly higher amounts for Alaska and Hawaii.

SafeLink is run by a subsidiary of América Móvil, the world’s fourth largest wireless company in terms of subscribers, but it is not paid for directly by the company. Nor is it paid for with "tax payer money," as the e-mail claims. Rather, it is funded through the Universal Service Fund, which is administered by the Universal Service Administrative Company, an independent, not-for-profit corporation set up by the Federal Communications Commission. The USF is sustained by contributions from telecommunications companies such as "long distance companies, local telephone companies, wireless telephone companies, paging companies, and payphone providers." The companies often charge customers to fund their contributions in the form of a universal service fee you might see on your monthly phone bill. The fund is then parceled out to companies, such as América Móvil, that create programs, such as SafeLink, to provide telecommunications service to rural areas and low-income households.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

September 27, 2012 at 4:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

mtngrl said... Yet another Romney video released, explaining at the beginning of Bain's existance how they planned on making money:

"Bain Capital is an investment partnership which was formed to invest in start-up companies and ongoing companies, then to take an active hand in managing them and hopefully, five to eight years later, to harvest them at a significant profit," Romney tells employees of Bain & Company

Therefore? It appears you don't think anyone should invest in a start up company and assist it to get up and running then sell their share of the business at a profit? Where would you suggest someone get start up money if the banks won't loan them enough? Have you ever bought anything at Staples? That is one of those start up companies they made a profit from once it was up and running.

I am not necessarily a Romney fan but I do know there is a need and a place for capitalist venture funds. No, they are not always successful but they often are able to turn around a failing business then get their money back plus make a profit. They only invest in a business they think has a chance of surviving although that does not always happen for various reasons. Are you aware of any company that was successful and profitable that any venture capital group invested in with an objective of shutting them down?

September 27, 2012 at 4:35 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Ikezulu: BIG DEAL!

September 27, 2012 at 4:45 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel,

So, the government mandates communication providers contribute to a non-profit set up by the government and the providers, understandably, pass those costs on to paying customers.

Don't you think the fees charged to comply with a mandatory disbursement of funds are equivalent to a tax?

Maybe the question that should be asked is, how did that fine lady get the impression that Obama gave her a cell phone? Did he launch a cell phone giveaway under an existing program kind of like he has done with food stamps and welfare? He seems to have a knack for pushing the candy to anyone he thinks he can turn into a loyal voter.

He sure bought that woman cheap!

September 27, 2012 at 4:47 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The 1%er the democrats just love!

Soros Gives $1 Million to Democratic ‘Super PAC’

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/27/soros-gives-1-million-to-democratic-super-pac/

September 27, 2012 at 4:57 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said... Harp3339 said: “Some of those national radical feminist may be an exception.”

Like who, Harp3339? Women like Margaret Sanger or Elizabeth Cady Stanton?

Your history lesson was about good women that are all dead. Not those I had in mind or like any I was referencing. The one uglier than dirt in San Francisco some time ago advocating castration of men and other trash talk.

I just read where the way to identify an Obama supporter was to see if they signed their checks on the back.

September 27, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel posted....

SafeLink is run by a subsidiary of América Móvil, the world’s fourth largest wireless company in terms of subscribers, but it is not paid for directly by the company. Nor is it paid for with "tax payer money," as the e-mail claims. Rather, it is funded through the Universal Service Fund, which is administered by the Universal Service Administrative Company, an independent, not-for-profit corporation set up by the Federal Communications Commission. The USF is sustained by contributions from telecommunications companies such as "long distance companies, local telephone companies, wireless telephone companies, paging companies, and payphone providers." The companies often charge customers to fund their contributions in the form of a universal service fee you might see on your monthly phone bill. The fund is then parceled out to companies, such as América Móvil, that create programs, such as SafeLink, to provide telecommunications service to rural areas and low-income households.

Call it what you want but it is a welfare program paid for by those paying monthly phone bills as a tax that was added, if I recall accurately, we can thank Al Gore. I guess he thought he was inventing the internet.

RE: CONNECTIVITY CHARGES ON YOUR PHONE BILLS The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is a government agency that regulates certain voice services. They also administer a fund called the Universal Service Fund (USF), which promotes availability of phone service to all Americans regardless of income or location. USF may also partially fund communications services for certain schools and libraries. Most voice service providers must contribute to the USF and providers are permitted to recover their contribution from their customers. The Universal Connectivity Charge that appears on your invoice represents this recovery. The rate for this fee can change on a quarterly basis.

A tax by any other name is still a tax. Do you really believe the so called recoverable contributions by providers were voluntary? It is a lot like earned income tax credits, it is a hidden federal government welfare program. I am not suggesting welfare is not necessary and appropriate but it should be identified as such.

Of course the company that advertises the availability of their free wireless service for those qualifying do it out of the goodness of their heart not because they are paid by the FCC for each phone they provide.

September 27, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
fairmon said...

ML

Universal connectivity rates on phone bills are adjusted quarterly. A phantom tax that is no cost to tax payers?

Proposed contribution factor for fourth quarter 2012 is .174 or 17.4 percent.

Contribution Factor: Telecommunications companies must pay a percentage of their interstate end-user revenues to the Universal Service Fund. This percentage is called the contribution factor. The contribution factor changes four times a year (quarterly) and is increased or decreased depending on the needs of the Universal Service programs. You can read more about the contribution factor in the FCC's Fact Sheet on Universal Service.

September 27, 2012 at 5:33 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

BigRidgePatriot said: “So, the government mandates communication providers contribute to a non-profit set up by the government and the providers, understandably, pass those costs on to paying customers.”

Well, BRP, if the U.S. government is the only reason these corporations are making contributions toward charitable causes, I say “hurrah” for the U.S. government. . . Personally, I don’t believe this is the case. . . And I suspect that organizations like United Way would also disagree with you. . . I believe most corporations donate to charitable causes because they have something to gain from doing so:"

"Corporate giving programs can provide a competitive advantage when they are well designed and carefully executed. For example, charitable contributions can increase the name recognition and reputation of a brand or company among consumers. In addition, corporate support of local causes improves the quality of life in communities where the company does business. These contributions help managers build relationships with government officials and community leaders and can reduce regulatory and special interest group obstacles. Moreover, firms can use philanthropy to improve the economic conditions in developing regions with the long-term goal of enhancing the size and quality of their customer base. A commitment to philanthropy also facilitates efforts to recruit and retain talented employees. Finally, contributions can stimulate innovation as grants to universities and other organizations provide companies with new ideas, access to technical expertise, and opportunities for research and development collaboration."

http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/corpgov/2011/08/20/making-the-business-case-for-corporate-philanthropy/

September 27, 2012 at 5:39 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

laurel: Where's the fib. I said she should be the Dem's poster child. That's an opinion having nothing to do with all that crap you posted.

September 27, 2012 at 5:48 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jack_Dennis said: "Laurel: Where's the fib. I said she should be the Dem's poster child. That's an opinion having nothing to do with all that crap you posted."

I was referring to your comment which was "laurel: You're right. The phone lady is the PERFECT poster child for the Dem Party. Very typical." Needless to say, this is not what I said in my post to Patriot1. Is it, Jack. We both know what I said to Patriot, which is as follows:

Nice try, Patriot1. . but all things considered that poor woman in your video clip sounds a heck of lot better to me than some of these corrupt Romney supporters like Adelson who are spending millions of dollars in an effort to get Romney elected. . . And his reasons for wanting Romney to get elected say it all:

“In August, The New York Times wondered aloud what the rest of the political world wanted to know: Does Sheldon Adelson's effort to put Mitt Romney in the White House have anything to do with the federal criminal investigation into his company's business practices? . . .

. . . In a wide-ranging, two-hour interview with Politico's Mike Allen published Monday, Adelson himself answered the question.

The top reason Adelson gave for backing Romney and opposing President Barack Obama is "self defense," as Allen put it, referencing the probe into Las Vegas Sands Corp. "Adelson said a second Obama term would bring government 'vilification of people that were against him.' He thinks he would be at the top of that list and contends that he already has been targeted for his political activity," Allen wrote.

Adelson's casino empire, the bulk of which is based in Asia, is being investigated for bribery and money laundering. He told Allen that Justice Department officials have been disparaging him in the press. "When I see what's happening to me and this company, about accusations that are unfounded -- that kind of behavior ... has to stop," he told Allen.

In other words, Adelson is spending millions of dollars to curry political favor in the United States, hoping to fend off charges that he spent millions of dollars to curry political favor in Asia.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/adelson-investigation-justice-department_n_1917141.html

September 27, 2012 at 6:04 p.m.
raygunz said...

Jack_Dennis said...

"Hold on to your butts. The Samuel L. Jackson political ad has been released and he’s asking Americans to “wake the f— up.”

Sorry, my friend, but there's no time to snore. And out-of-touch millionaires just declared war. On schools, the environment, unions, fair pay. We're all on our own if Romney has his way. And he's against safety nets, if you fall, tough luck. So I strongly suggest that you wake the f**k up.

You should try it Jack.

September 27, 2012 at 6:20 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Raygunz: The "War" you refer to is a fabrication created by the DNC and the chicago thugs. It's pure strategy. And bogus. You're the one that needs to wake up, gunz. You're breathing too much of the chicago ether.

September 27, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.
raygunz said...

I thought many months ago that it was at least possible that Mitt Romney would be more cautious about telling falsehoods as the election drew closer. After all, candidates can get away with more in, say, April than in September -- there's far more scrutiny now.

Alas, Romney seems unfazed, both by the calendar and by life under a microscope -- he keeps repeating falsehoods without any real concern for consequences. In case there were any doubts about his worst habit, consider the 35th installment of my weekly series, chronicling Mitt's mendacity.

Read more,,http://maddowblog.msnbc.com/_news/2012/09/21/14015581-chronicling-mitts-mendacity-vol-xxxv

LMFAO!

September 27, 2012 at 6:34 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Mountainoyster said: "but all things considered that poor woman in your video clip sounds a heck of lot better to me than some of these corrupt Romney supporters like Adelson who are spending millions of dollars in an effort to get Romney elected. . ."

Is that like convicted felon George Soros spending millions of dollars in an effort to get Obama elected? Or is THAT different?

September 27, 2012 at 6:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

This may or may not be important in trying to decide who to vote for but I wish candidates would reveal who their advisers and cabinet members would be before the election.

Valerie Jarrett was born in Shiraz, Iran to American parents James E. Bowman and Barbara Taylor Bowman. Her father, a pathologist and geneticist, ran a hospital for children in Shiraz in 1950, as part of a program where American doctors and agricultural experts sought to help jump-start developing countries' health and farming efforts.

In 1991, as Deputy Chief of Staff to Mayor Richard Daley, she interviewed Michelle Robinson for an opening in the mayor’s office, and offered her the job immediately. Michelle Robinson asked for time to think and also asked Jarrett to meet her fiancé, Barack Obama. The three ended up meeting for dinner. After the dinner, Michelle took the job with the mayor's office, and Valerie Jarrett reportedly took the couple under her wing and “introduced them to a wealthier and better-connected Chicago than their own,” and taking Michelle with her when she left the mayor's office to head Chicago’s Department of Planning and Development.

Valerie Bowman Jarrett (born November 14, 1956) is a Senior Advisor to the President of the United States and Assistant to the President for Public Engagement and Intergovernmental Affairs in the Obama administration. She is a Chicago lawyer, businesswoman, and civic leader. Prior to that she served as a co-chairperson of the Obama-Biden Transition Project.

The word is she is very loyal to and protective of the president which is a good and important trait for one in her position. She is better in the role he selected her for than a lot of others are in their roles, of course that is in my opinion.

It would be good for those trying to decide to know who Romney would most likely select as his advisers and key role selections.

September 27, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

The Huffington post again. That unbiased wholesome beacon of truth.

September 27, 2012 at 6:49 p.m.
raygunz said...

Refresh my memory toes,what felony was George Soros convicted of??

September 27, 2012 at 6:51 p.m.
raygunz said...

Jack_Dennis said...

Raygunz: The "War" you refer to is a fabrication created by the DNC and the chicago thugs. It's pure strategy. And bogus. You're the one that needs to wake up, gunz. You're breathing too much of the chicago ether.

Sorry 'bout you Jack.

September 27, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Insider trading. Cheating people out of their investments. Like you didn't know. Nice try.

September 27, 2012 at 6:53 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Refresh MY memory, what was Romney convicted of again?

September 27, 2012 at 6:58 p.m.
raygunz said...

TOES02800 said...

Refresh MY memory, what was Romney convicted of again?

Trying to open the plane's window in flight.lmfao

September 27, 2012 at 7:18 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

mountainlaurel said... “ if the U.S. government is the only reason these corporations are making contributions toward charitable causes, I say “hurrah” for the U.S. government. . . “*

The corporations are not paying for anything. The paying customers are. The corporations have been enlisted by the government to be tax collectors for them.

That wonderful woman with her government provided cell phone thinks Obama gave her a phone when it was really you and me. Don’t you love how a politician buys love with other people’s money?

September 27, 2012 at 7:21 p.m.
ricardo said...

Obama's re-election is all but certain. There will be plenty of conservatards criticizing other conservatards over why they placed their bets on Romney.

September 27, 2012 at 7:30 p.m.
ricardo said...

harp said... "It would be good for those trying to decide to know who Romney would most likely select as his advisers and key role selections." September 27, 2012 at 6:46 p.m

Romney is picking Todd Akin as his Senior Advisor for Women's Issues. Paul Smith will jump ship and join him as his Deputy Assistant to the Senior Advisor for Women's Issues

September 27, 2012 at 7:36 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Romney makes a joke and you libs think he's serious. Do you use your gray matter? Or is it just..there?

September 27, 2012 at 7:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Disgraceful, a sad state of affairs:

http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/09/27/14126789-rnc-cuts-ties-with-firm-over-voter-registration-allegations?lite

With these kinds of liaisons, it's no wonder the middle of the road voters are flocking to Obama. You mud swimmers scream "ACORN!" on a regular basis, but now we know who the real nuts are.

September 27, 2012 at 8 p.m.
lambswool said...

Where is your cartoon on Gerald McCormick stealing signs? It seems as if that was real news and this is just the conservative times free press way of trying to manipulate local politics. It was totally unprofessional of secretary Brenda Nunn to sneak a reporter into a private board meeting anyway. It is just as slimmy for the tfp to smear a person because they think that they can. This is way I wouldn't pay 2 cents for your piece of trash paper.

September 27, 2012 at 8:03 p.m.
ricardo said...

Is Romney telling knock-knock jokes again? How can you tell?

September 27, 2012 at 8:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel provided......

The companies often charge customers to fund their contributions in the form of a universal service fee you might see on your monthly phone bill. The fund is then parceled out to companies, such as América Móvil, that create programs, such as SafeLink, to provide telecommunications service to rural areas and low-income households.

http://www.factcheck.org/2009/10/the-obama-phone/

It is not an Obama program although the advertisements are a recent activity so some people may make a connection in error. However, fact check is misleading by leaving out some facts like the SEC sets the tax rates providers charge customers. They do label it universal connectivity fee. It is government initiated via legislation and controlled by the FCC. I know you didn't intend to mis-speak or mislead anyone but your sources are suspect.

September 27, 2012 at 10:43 p.m.
fairmon said...

TOES..

George Soros is a devious individual that considers himself anointed to change the world. He did serious damage to the British sterling pound and made a fortune in doing so. He finances many political activities aimed at controlling the masses and a one world government. But, he has never been charged with a crime. He is a German Jew reported to have helped the German's locate and arrest other Jewish people during the war then later fleeing Germany to England. From England following his financial success shorting the currency to the U.S. continuing building a fortune on Wall St. He is reported to be buying gold and shorting the U.S. dollar which he obviously anticipates dropping in value like the British currency did. He looks like caricatures of the devil and in my opinion is just as devious.

September 27, 2012 at 10:54 p.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse said... "Dude calls Harp "a piece of sh!t" for talking about "ugly women"!

Sounds like some one has a case of "lack of objectivity!"

Actually, jessie, you old hound dog, you... I am surrounded by beauty. I don't lack objectivity, you old hound dog, you. What I lack is the need to objectify, you ole country flea ridden unclean ham hock headed hound dog ascootin' his wormy ass across the carpet sage, you.

September 28, 2012 at 12:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

The following news does not fall under my plus column for Obama.

Billionaire financier George Soros has committed $1.5 million to "Super PACs" backing President Barack Obama and Democrats running for Congress in the November 6 election, officials with those groups said on Thursday.

Soros — a prominent donor to liberal political causes — has pledged $1 million to Priorities USA Action, which is running ads to help the Democratic president's re-election bid, and $500,000 to Majority PAC and House Majority PAC, which help Democratic congressional candidates, the officials said.

Soros net worth is estimated by Forbes at $19 billion, held the record as the biggest contributor in an election cycle for the $27.5 million he estimated he spent in 2004 to try to defeat Republican President George W. Bush.

Soros' adviser said the financier was more focused in this campaign on grass-roots political organizing. [OWS has been reported as one of those]

Soros last year made six-figure donations to the Majority and House Majority PACs and pledged $2 million earlier this year to American Bridge 21st Century and America Votes, a group that helps coordinate campaign work for liberal groups nationwide.

September 28, 2012 at 2:24 a.m.
fairmon said...

Soros supported America Votes is an American 527 organization whose mission is to build a permanent progressive campaign infrastructure. America Votes leads national and state-based coalitions to develop shared strategies that advance progressive policies, engage communities and increase voter turnout. [sounds like the replacement for ACORN. Could be, I don't know but there is nothing wrong with legitimate efforts to get people registered and voting]

Some member organizations:

o AFL-CIO

o American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME)

o Ballot Initiative Strategy Center

o Campaign for Community Change

o Education Voters of America

o Emily's List

o International Brotherhood of Teamsters

o League of Conservation Voters

o NAACP National Voter Fund

o National Education Association

o Planned Parenthood Action Fund

o Progressive Future

o ProgressNow Action

o Service Employees International Union (SEIU)

o Sierra Club

o United Food and Commercial Workers International Union

September 28, 2012 at 2:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

George Soros must be reacting to the Vegas odds makers that keep picking Romney to win in spite of the polls. Lay $90 to win $100 if Obama wins, lay $110 to win $100 if Romney wins. I think if I had $900,000 to put at risk if Obama loses to win $1 million if he wins I would be tempted to make that bet and vote for him even if I don't like either candidate.

September 28, 2012 at 6:19 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

TOES02800 said: “Is that like convicted felon George Soros spending millions of dollars in an effort to get Obama elected? Or is THAT different?”

Hmmm. . . Do I detect some cynicism here, TOES02800? . . . Can it be that you’re fed up with all of these dark shadowy campaigns and billionaire/corporate super-pacs that are dumping millions and millions of dollars into U.S. elections? . . If so, I agree with you.

Indeed, I do, TOES08200. In fact, I’ve already expressed my concerns to both President Obama and Mitt Romney about what is going on. Have you? If you have, you must know by now that Obama and Romney have taken very different positions in regard to our concerns.

President Obama agrees that money is overwhelming our political process and that is drowning out the voices of ordinary citizens. To resolve it, he says that we need to: a) seriously consider mobilizing a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United; b) force disclosure of who is giving to who; and c) pass legislation prohibiting the bundling of contributions from lobbyists.

Although Mitt Romney complains about the influence of money coming from organizations like teacher unions, he says he’s not concerned by the impact of corporate or wealthy individuals’ donations on politicians. (Sigh) He believes corporations are people. Romney’s argument is that corporations ARE people because corporate profits end up “in the pockets” of people.

September 28, 2012 at 7:02 a.m.
miraweb said...

Harp - Soros is not German and he was 10 years old during WWII. His family sent him to England after the Nazi occupation of Hungary.

September 28, 2012 at 8:10 a.m.
fairmon said...

ML...

Do you really believe anyone will decide how they will vote as a result of some super pac ad?

I wouldn't object to ending PAC money. Is Obama submitting and proposing legislation or talking? I rather see something that addresses all the lobbyist and special interest meetings in private with members of congress. I would like to see legislation that required publicly and on record reporting of any gift or anything that could be construed as a favor to congress valued at more than $100. Would you favor such legislation?

September 28, 2012 at 8:21 a.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said....

Harp - Soros is not German and he was 10 years old during WWII.

I didn't say he was a German, I did say he was Jewish. His family did send him to England to live with a relative but by his own account he assisted the German army in gathering up other jews for which he expresses no remorse or regrets..

September 28, 2012 at 8:28 a.m.
timbo said...

Bennett's cartoon is a cheap shot as usual but this situation is hilarious. The males who still run the democratic party have been using women by showering them with false praise and stoking their fragile egos. The problem is these nuts can't take a joke. These liberal women's egos can't take any critisim whatsoever. They need constant stroking and being told how wonderfull they are all the time.

People like Paul Smith created this monster so they shouldn't be surprised that they are being eaten by it. In 10 years the democrat party will consist of blacks, pissed off women, gays, tranvestites, and a few misguided union members. Just look at the democrat convention....it was like going to a carnival and peaking into a freak show. Most men will be conservatives.

September 28, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
degage said...

mira, George soros says he has no regrets about collaborating with the nazi's against his own people. He also has no regrets about trying to devalue the dollar, and messing with englands pound.

September 28, 2012 at 8:47 a.m.
miraweb said...

Former Romney Campaign Official Busted for Fake Voter Registrations

The Republican National Committee on Thursday fired Strategic Allied Consulting, run by former Arizona Republican Party executive director Nathan Sproul, as a vendor after 106 questionable new-voter registrations were submitted in Florida's Palm Beach County, the epicenter of the ballot dispute in 2000's presidential race between George W. Bush and Al Gore.

Sproul, who is managing partner at Tempe-based Lincoln Strategy Group and in the past has been associated with Republican presidential nominee Mitt Romney's campaign efforts in Arizona, also came under fire in 2004 in Nevada and Oregon for his firm's role in another RNC voter-registration drive in which voter registration cards filled out by Democrats allegedly were trashed.

The Republican Party of Florida has paid Sproul's firm more than $1.3 million so far, and the RNC used the group for almost $3 million of work in Nevada, North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia.

All the states are considered to be key battlegrounds for President Barack Obama and Romney.

Sarah Pompei, a Romney campaign spokeswoman, told The Republic via e-mail that the campaign used the vendor for signature-gathering services during the Republican primaries but had not used them since last year. Sproul confirmed that he is not formally affiliated with the Romney campaign now.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/politics/articles/20120927arizona-consultant-voter-registration-controversy.html

September 28, 2012 at 8:56 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Yeah, Soros is a Sterling fellow. Surprised The Anointed One hasn't made him Ambassador to England.

September 28, 2012 at 9:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

ML said...

Romney’s argument is that corporations ARE people because corporate profits end up “in the pockets” of people.

If unions are viewed as people that contribute to candidates and PACs then why would corporations not be viewed the same way? I am one of those that benefit from corporate profits through dividends, which I depend on for income, so I would prefer they increase dividends and not contribute to PACs, charities, community activities, and other benevolent acts with investor money.

September 28, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
timbo said...

Does anybody ever stay on subject?

September 28, 2012 at 9:12 a.m.
miraweb said...

Actually, Soros has written about his childhood in the Nazi occupation of Hungary:

http://www.georgesoros.com/faqs/entry/howgeorgesorossurvivednazis/

It was a fairly common way of saving children from the death camps. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright found out as an adult that her family did much the same thing in Prague. In 1997 she learned she was Jewish and that three of her grandparents were killed in the Holocaust.

I haven't met Soros, but I have met his son, Jonathan, who went to law school with a good friend of mine.

While in school, Jonathan Soros set up scholarships to help his classmates who wanted to use their legal training to help people in need rather than go to high paying firms.

September 28, 2012 at 9:18 a.m.
mymy said...

39 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

September 28, 2012 at 9:22 a.m.
miraweb said...

Medicare A Top Issue in Swing States

For seniors in Florida, Ohio and Virginia, Medicare rivals the economy as a top voting issue. And by majorities topping 70 percent, seniors say they prefer to keep Medicare as a program with guaranteed benefits, rather than moving to a system in which the government gives recipients fixed payments to buy coverage from private insurers or traditional Medicare, as Romney advocates.

Asked whom they trust to deal with the Medicare program, Ohio voters favor Obama over Romney by a margin of 19 percentage points. The president has a 15-point advantage on the issue in Florida and a 13-point lead on it in Virginia. In a separate national poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation released Thursday, Obama’s 17-point lead over Romney on Medicare is larger than it has been across public polls all year.

Among all voters, the desire to keep the system as it is peaks at 65 percent in Florida, where more than one in five Americans who voted in 2008 were age 65 and older.

Across the three states, about three-quarters of voters say that Medicare cuts are not essential to deficit reduction.

http://bangordailynews.com/2012/09/28/politics/paul-ryans-medicare-plan-moves-voters-to-support-obama-poll-says/?ref=latest

September 28, 2012 at 9:42 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

President Francois Hollande's Socialist government unveiled sharp tax hikes on business and the rich on Friday in a 2013 budget aimed at showing France has the fiscal rigor to remain at the core of the euro zone.

Hang on to your hineys comrades. On the way here.

September 28, 2012 at 10:03 a.m.
mtngrl said...

mymy said...

"It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad."

And Obama is either tied or leading Romney in all of those areas!

The following is from a Fox News survey so scream liberal bias all you want.

Margin of error: +/- 3%

Number for each is Obama leading (+) or trailing (-)

Stopping Iran from getting nuclear weapons: +4

Improving the economy: -3 (margin of error)

Reducing the deficit: -8

Handling foreign policy: +13

Handling national security: +8

Handling illegal immigration: dead even

Handling health care: +7

Handling taxes: +3

Handling same-sex marriage: +20

Helping small businesses: dead even

Helping people achieve the American dream: +8

So for Fox, the only topic where Obama is trailing below margin of error is on reducing the deficit. Romney is getting creamed on foreign policy.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2012/08/09/fox-news-poll-presidential-race/

September 28, 2012 at 10:18 a.m.
conservative said...

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

"CONGRESS shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

It is Congress and only Congress

September 28, 2012 at 10:21 a.m.
degage said...

Mira you are so brainwashed. All you have to do is search George Soros WW2 collaboration. He is a new world order advocate. He makes no bones about that. Soros is proud of what he did in WW2.

September 28, 2012 at 11:09 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: I wouldn't object to ending PAC money. Is Obama submitting and proposing legislation or talking? I rather see something that addresses all the lobbyist and special interest meetings in private with members of congress etc.”

As I recall, Harp3339, the authority to amend the U.S. Constitution is derived from Article V of the Constitution. But the good news is that several members of Congress have already proposed amendments to the Constituion affirming the power of Congress and the States to regulate contribution of funds to candidates and the expenditure of funds intended to influence the outcome of elections: http://www.united4thepeople.org/amendments.htmlT

And unlike Mitt Romney who has flipped and flopped on this issue, I think President Obama has made his position about this much needed Amendment and the Disclose Act very clear:

“Money has always been a factor in politics, but we are seeing something new in the no-holds barred flow of seven and eight figure checks, most undisclosed, into super-PACs; they fundamentally threaten to overwhelm the political process over the long run and drown out the voices of ordinary citizens. We need to start with passing the Disclose Act that is already written and been sponsored in Congress - to at least force disclosure of who is giving to who. We should also pass legislation prohibiting the bundling of campaign contributions from lobbyists. Over the longer term, I think we need to seriously consider mobilizing a constitutional amendment process to overturn Citizens United (assuming the Supreme Court doesn't revisit it). Even if the amendment process falls short, it can shine a spotlight of the super-PAC phenomenon and help apply pressure for change.”

One more thing, Harp3339, I should mention that a great number of officials have also endorsed amending the Constitution to overturn Citizens United and other related cases. Needless to say, the number of “responsible” representatives are limited in Georgia and Tennnessee: Representative Steve Cohen [TN-9]; Representative Jim Cooper [TN-5]; Representative Sanford D. Bishop Jr. [GA-2]; and Representative Henry C. "Hank" Johnson Jr. [GA-4]. You can find info about other endorsers at: http://www.united4thepeople.org/endorsers.html

September 28, 2012 at 11:33 a.m.
mymy said...

mira: I am very aware of the Fox poll and others. Polls overall are very strange this time around and getting more so. I think it is best not to put much credibility in any of them. It is the one on 11/6 that matters.

With all the continued bad news re the economy and the truth being hidden by Obama re the terrorist attack in Libya (which highlights his failed policies in that area), it is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country/National Security/ and the enormous debt.

September 28, 2012 at 11:48 a.m.
mtngrl said...

"Polls overall are very strange this time around and getting more so. I think it is best not to put much credibility in any of them. "

Translation: "The polls don't say what I want them to so I choose not to believe them"

September 28, 2012 at 12:01 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: If unions are viewed as people that contribute to candidates and PACs then why would corporations not be viewed the same way?

Please, Harp3339. Enough with the bogus questions. If you want to ask a question, why don’t you ask one that actually addresses a position that has been taken by one of the candidates?

Indeed, why don’t you ask Romney why he feels it’s a conflict of interest for teachers to give money to a political candidate, but not a conflict of interest for corporations and billionaires to give money to a political candidate? Surely, Mitt isn't claiming that teachers aren't people?

September 28, 2012 at 12:30 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 asked: “Do you really believe anyone will decide how they will vote as a result of some super pac ad?”

You're missing the point, Harp3339. Like the majority of people in America, I believe special interest money is overwhelming our political process. It’s drowning out the voices of we the people.

September 28, 2012 at 12:46 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Laurel and Mira are morphing into female ALPO's. Not good.

September 28, 2012 at 12:56 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Tu_quoque spits and sputters: Anything you post on this subject is nothing but low grade B.S. until you address your hypocrisy on this question. Continued avoidance only adds credence to the weakness of your position.

Huh? Since Mitt Romney is the only presidendial candidate who is suggesting that there is a difference between unions and corporations, I think it is you who is peddling low grade B.S, Tu_quoque. . . But I suspect you know this already. . . Don't you, Tu_quoque?

As to hypocrisy, perhaps, you can tell us why Mitt Romney is claiming that it’s a conflict of interest for teachers to give money to political candidates, but not a conflict of interest for corporations and billionaires to give money to a political candidate?

September 28, 2012 at 1:02 p.m.
joneses said...
September 28, 2012 at 2:16 p.m.
fairmon said...

ml SAID....

Anything you post on this subject is nothing but low grade B.S. until you address your hypocrisy on this question. Continued avoidance only adds credence to the weakness of your position.

Please repeat the question, I seem to be missing something.

Harp3339 said: If unions are viewed as people that contribute to candidates and PACs then why would corporations not be viewed the same way?

Please, Harp3339. Enough with the bogus questions. If you want to ask a question, why don’t you ask one that actually addresses a position that has been taken by one of the candidates?

Bogus? Obama considers corporate donations to PACs but a lot of his campaign fund donations come from unions as do his super pacs. He didn't tell Bill Maher (sp) or Soros not to donate. Is he saying control donations or eliminate PACS? If I were King I would probably have each major network provide equal time to each candidate on some frequency and ban all other media advertising.

September 28, 2012 at 4:21 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Top Five Worst Obamacare Taxes Coming in 2013 Starting the January, American citizens will be hit with 20 new or raised taxes that come with Obamacare. Here is a description of the five worst taxes.

http://www.atr.org/five-worst-obamacare-taxes-coming-a7217

September 28, 2012 at 4:51 p.m.
fairmon said...

mountainlaurel said... Harp3339 asked: “Do you really believe anyone will decide how they will vote as a result of some super pac ad?”

You're missing the point, Harp3339. Like the majority of people in America, I believe special interest money is overwhelming our political process. It’s drowning out the voices of we the people.

It sounds like you are saying people do allow those stupid ads to influence how they vote. I find it hard to believe and consider it a waste of money but it does keep a lot of people in the ad business working and spending which the economy needs. I would prefer not seeing them, getting all those robo calls, emails and other campaign gimmicks but I don't see why you get your panties all in a wad over them since they will not, in my opinion, affect the election results. If PAC ads determine the election, if voters use those to decide how to vote we are SOL for sure.

Now, if I were a union member and saw my dues money being spent like that I would be really upset. I have voted my shares and written companies I invest in regarding my opinion of how they treat investor money the way the government treats tax money. It never ceases to amaze me how people in political, union or corporate positions never hesitate to spread the money people entrust to them around in the most wasteful way possible. In ways they would never spend a dollar of their own.

September 28, 2012 at 5:03 p.m.

Don't forget to tune in to WTCI tonight at 8:30 pm to hear Clay Bennett and the Tennessee Insider panel talk about party chair Paul Smith and much, much more. You can also catch it online at www.wtcitv.org.>

fairmon said...

miraweb posted survey results....

Among all voters, the desire to keep the system as it is peaks at 65 percent in Florida, where more than one in five Americans who voted in 2008 were age 65 and older.

No kidding. The government borrows over 40 cents of each claim dollar paid so no wonder they prefer keeping it like it is. It is no doubt a bargain for them. Either taxes or premiums or both must increase to make it viable.

and miraweb posted.....

Across the three states, about three-quarters of voters say that Medicare cuts are not essential to deficit reduction.

Of coursethey think not. No one thinks their favorite program, in fact some don't think any prgram needs to be reduced. The years of borrowing and printing money has camaflauged a real problem that some day someone will have to begin paying for. This greedy generation, which includes those called the boomers, has no qualms passing on debts to their children and beyond that may never be paid and if so it will take several generations.

September 28, 2012 at 5:20 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

BenghaziGate seems to indicate resurgence of al-Qaeda. Not good news for Mr. Transparent. Not cool, indeed.

September 28, 2012 at 5:46 p.m.
canarysong said...

Sigh.... Maybe I shouldn't have started peeking at the comments here again: it reminds me why I left. What a sickening display of hatefulness, willful ignorance, and every "ism" one can think of. Mountainlaurel, you have the patience of.... well, certainly not ME! I think that your intelligence, integrity, and commitment to sharing evidence-based information is lost on these dunces, but maybe your efforts will motivate some readers to look further than FauxNews to inform their view of the world. Harp.... The "ugly" is in your stupid comment and the underlying attitude that it reveals (and, obviously, you don't know the same feminists that I do!). smh...... DudeAbides, just :-).

September 28, 2012 at 6:13 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Yeah, keep on pushing that issue, Jack_. I wish the steering committees for the RNC would listen to people like you. We might get a third term!

September 28, 2012 at 6:17 p.m.
canarysong said...

Oh, and btw.... Harp said (regarding super-pac ads), "It sounds like you are saying people do allow those stupid ads to influence how they vote. I find it hard to believe." ~ This is an objective question with an objective answer. A quick google search will lead you to several studies of the 2010 elections which showed that in the races in which one candidate was greatly out-spent, the highest spending candidate almost always won. Yes, sadly, people are that stupid. We can't expect people to inform themselves of actual facts. After all, they have to get back to important things.... like watching American Idol or seeing what the Kardashians are up to..... (eyeroll)

September 28, 2012 at 6:31 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

dude_: I'm sure the Messiah can do that by Executive Order.

September 28, 2012 at 7:26 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Trust me, Jack_, if that were possible we would all be wearing Il Bushe buttons.

September 28, 2012 at 7:53 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Canarysong said: The "ugly" is in your stupid comment and the underlying attitude that it reveals (and, obviously, you don't know the same feminists that I do!).

Hey Canarysong . . . What a joy to see your spirited post. . . And I wholeheartedly agree with you about the “ugly” underlying attitude of Harp3339. . . I don’t think he gets around much.

September 28, 2012 at 8:10 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said: “If I were a union member and saw my dues money being spent like that I would be really upset. I have voted my shares and written companies I invest in regarding my opinion of how they treat investor money the way the government treats tax money.“

Well, Harp3339, have you actually lobbied your Republican representatives and demanded a shareholders “opt-out” law – just like the one that the Supreme Court established for Unions? Personnally, I think it’s rather odd the U.S. Supreme Court would establish an “opt out” law when it comes to Unions, but ignore the First Amendment rights of the corporate shareholders who have not given those corporate officers the authority to spend their money on politicians and political issues that they don’t support. Indeed, I suspect that a great number of Americans who have investments in publicly traded corporations through their 401(k)s and other retirement accounts are upset that the Supreme Court has ignored their First Amendment Rights. All things considered, I also think it’s rather odd that so many Republican representatives are ignoring the rights of all of these corporate shareholders.

September 28, 2012 at 8:15 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 claims MountainLaurel said: “Anything you post on this subject is nothing but low grade B.S. until you address your hypocrisy on this question. Continued avoidance only adds credence to the weakness of your position.”

Hmmm. . . Are you’re being purposefully disingenuous here, Harp3339? . . . Yes, you probably are. . . You know perfectly well that Tu_quo made the above statement. Don’t you? . . . (Sigh)

Harp3339 said: “Bogus? Obama considers corporate donations to PACs but a lot of his campaign fund donations come from unions as do his super pacs.”

Would you feel more comfortable with the word “ploy” instead of “bogus,” Harp3339? I say this because I think your question to me was an attempt to shift away from a question that I posed to TOES02800. . . and that question was:

“Do I detect some cynicism here, TOES02800? . . . Can it be that you’re fed up with all of these shadow campaigns, billionaires and corporate superpacs dumping all of this money into U.S. elections? . . If so, I agree with you.

Indeed, I’ve expressed my concerns to both President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney about what is going on. Have you? If you have, you must know by now that the two men have taken very different positions in regard to our concerns.

President Obama agrees that money is overwhelming our political process and that is drowning out the voices of ordinary citizens. To resolve it, he says that we need to: a) seriously consider mobilizing a constitutional amendment to overturn Citizens United; b) force disclosure of who is giving to who; and c) pass legislation prohibiting the bundling of contributions from lobbyists.

Although Mitt Romney complains about the influence of money coming from organizations like teacher unions, he says he’s not concerned by the impact of corporate or wealthy individuals’ donations on politicians. He believes corporations are people. Mitt Romney’s argument is that corporations ARE people because corporate profits end up “in the pockets” of people.”

September 28, 2012 at 8:22 p.m.
alprova said...

It's been more than a little amusing to read Republican cheerleaders express the belief that the current polls are not correct and that they are deliberately being skewed to favor the President as a means to discourage Republicans from showing up at the polls.

I can guarantee that nobody is skewing any polls, and this evening, I have been compiling the result of 40 political polls taken this past week.

Mitt Romney has been boasting during the past 24 hours that he will win Pennsylvania. Uh...not according to the result of more than a dozen polls taken around that state, he won't. Obama leads in Pennsylvania by 8 points. How's he doing in the other former swing states?

Obama is up by 5 points in Iowa.

Obama is up by 4 points in Nevada.

Obama is up by 5 points in Ohio.

Obama is up by 4 points in Virginia.

This leaves only four swing states that are still too close to call, and unfortunately for Mitt Romeny, even if he were to take them all, he will not gain enough electoral votes to win the presidency;

Obama leads in Colorado by 3%. (9 electoral votes)

Obama leads in Florida by 2.5%. (29 electoral votes)

Obama leads in New Hampshire by 3%. (4 electoral votes)

Obama Leads in North Carolina by 1.5%. (15 electoral votes)

The Fox News latest poll, which everyone should know is most likely responded to by more Republicans than not, has the President leading nationwide by 5%.

Likely voters over the age of 60 are switching sides in droves and are claiming to favor the President over Mitt Romney. Could it be that Paul Ryan's appearance in front of that AARP crowd backfired severely? Could it be that older Americans are finally seeing through the rhetoric to understand that ObamaCare is not as bad as it is characterized by the right-wing?

Those boos were rather loud.

At any rate, as things stand today, the President has 290 electoral votes in the bag, leaving Mitt Romney 191. 270 is the magic number that the winner much reach.

Can Mitt Romney convince enough people to vote for him in five and a half weeks? The odds makers give him about a 19% chance at this point of winning the election.

September 28, 2012 at 10:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

Sorry - wrong page.

September 29, 2012 at 1:59 p.m.
miraweb said...

Ditto

September 29, 2012 at 2 p.m.
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