published Saturday, September 29th, 2012

September

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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hotdiggity said...

Barack Obama on November 7... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFJUz1...

September 29, 2012 at 12:30 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

ARE YOU BETTER OFF NOW?

The Bush recession, driven by the destructive combination of unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy, an unfunded Medicare prescription drug benefit, an unfunded war in Afghanistan and an unfunded war in Iraq, came to a head on Thursday, September 18, 2008.

About 11:00 that morning the Federal Reserve noticed a tremendous run on U.S. money markets. Within 90 minutes $550 BILLION was gone. The Fed acted quickly poured $105 billion into the system, announced a guarantee of $250,000 per account to stem the panic, and shut down the system. The credit markets were frozen.

If the Fed had not acted, if they had let the market decide, by 2:00 p.m. $5.5 TRILLION would have been withdrawn and the U.S. economy would have collapsed. Then, within 24 hours, the world economy would have collapsed.

In the early evening of September 18th congressional leaders from both parties met in Speaker Pelosi’s office to hear from Fed Chair Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson. Paulson described how the meltdown happened while Bernanke warned that if Congress did not put aside partisan politics and act immediately there would not be an economy by Monday.

THERE WOULD NOT BE AN ECONOMY BY MONDAY.

You could hear a pin drop.

To their credit, republicans and democrats worked together to avert a real calamity. Those legislators put aside party differences and acted in the best interest of the country based on everything they knew at that moment.

The immediate crisis was averted.

Parenthetically, under those same circumstances today, can you imagine how current congressional republicans would react? They would reject any effort to help the country economically fearing it might benefit the President politically. And then they’d scurry out to TV cameras and blame Obama for partisan politics.

Romney is asking voters if they are better now than they were 4 years ago. Many voters say yes. 401ks have rebounded thanks to the soaring stock market, home values are improving, and the housing market is getting stronger. Consumer confidence is up.

Meanwhile, Romney is peddling the same anemic economic policies that nearly ruined us in the first place: tax cuts for the wealthy, more money for the Pentagon, and deregulation.

Romney is running for a third George W. Bush term. Maybe Mitt saw that he’s even less popular that W and dropping in the polls like a sock full horse manure.

What a buffoon.

September 29, 2012 at 12:33 a.m.
fairmon said...

Doctor facing rising costs won't accept Medicare.....This header is on an article in the TFP regarding a local doctor. It explains the dilema phsicians are facing with the AHCA. Be prepared to see it repeated many times over the next 36 months, thru 2015 unless something changes significantly.

September 29, 2012 at 12:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

Blackwater48 said....

Thursday, September 18, 2008. the financial crisis hit. And, described how congress failed to fund several programs and labeled it the Bush financial crisis. Congress sets the budget, not the white house, and approves all spending, no president can spend a dollar not authorized by congress. Congress must also approve any legislation proposed by a president.

This is not to endorse or criticize either candidate. It is facts that suggest that both parties in congress are complicit in the failure and regardless of who is elected as POTUS if congress doesn't take some bold steps we will not see any improvement but further deterioration.

Remember 1/3/2007, the day democrats took control of the house and senate with Pelosi as speaker of the house and Harry Reid the senate majority leader. On 1/3/07 the DOW was at 12,621.77, unemployment was at 4.6%, GDP rate of growth was 3.5% with 52 consecutive months of job growth. 10/19/07 the DOW closed at a record high of 14,164.53.

1/3/2007 Barney Franks became chairman of the house financial services committee, Cris Dodd took over the senate banking committee. 15 months later Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dumped nearly 16 trillion in toxic loans on the economy. Bush asked congress 17 times, beginning in 2001, to better regulate Fannie and Freddie due to the financial risk to the U.S. economy. The hearing where Franks and Waters got so mad at Bush and secretary Snow for criticizing F&F they were screaming is not discussed much and was by some denied until it surfaced again. They called him a racist and insisted F&F were financially sound and was helping people that could not otherwise afford a home and achieve the American dream do so.

In 2007 Bush restrained spending somewhat but after that Pelosi and Reid ignored him and repeatedly passed spending resolutions. Congress sets the budget and controls spending. Congress is supposed to assure no waste or fraud occurs and assure good fiscal behavior in all departments.

So, Does it really matter who is elected as president?

September 29, 2012 at 1:48 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

The Obama administration notified Congress on Friday that it would provide Egypt’s new government an emergency cash infusion of $450 million, but the aid immediately encountered resistance from a prominent lawmaker wary of foreign aid and Egypt’s new course under the leadership of the Muslim Brotherhood.

You gotta be kidding me.

September 29, 2012 at 2:01 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Harp - doctors refusing Medicare patients started well before ACA.

September 29, 2012 at 4:59 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said... Harp - doctors refusing Medicare patients started well before ACA.

Yes, some did, but you will see an acceleration in the number. We will just have to wait and see but I can understand why they would get away from medicare.

September 29, 2012 at 5:21 a.m.
EaTn said...

harp3339 said..."I can understand why they(doctors) would get away from medicare."

This is not your dad's economic world any more. Scientists, professors, lawyers, engineers, teachers--and yes doctors have and will be effected by the new economic change and will adjust.

As for Romney, the republicans should have used the same criteria on nominating him as they used to bash former businessman President Carter. The federal government can't be run like a private business.

September 29, 2012 at 5:45 a.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn said...

The federal government can't be run like a private business.

Why not? That may be better than being run like a not for profit insurance company. It is being run like a country club with membership fees at cost divided by the number of members with members borrowing 40% of the money to pay their dues. No private well run business would ever abdicate their responsibility the way congress has. If they did they would become bankrupt just as our government will at some point without drastic changes.

EaTn said...

Scientists, professors, lawyers, engineers, teachers--and yes doctors have and will be effected by the new economic change and will adjust.

They will and they are. The good ones will do well without abuse from the government. Reduced access to the best will be detrimental to those the government claims they help.

September 29, 2012 at 6:11 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "Doctor facing rising costs won't accept Medicare.....This header is on an article in the TFP regarding a local doctor. It explains the dilema phsicians are facing with the AHCA."

No it doesn't. The article describes a doctor who thinks there is a market in the Chattanooga area where he can serve an elite clientèle of people with money in their pockets.

The changes to MediSCARE haven't even began to kick in yet, and are not scheduled to do so for 15 more months, so his current reasons for dumping that block of business to seek to serve people who have higher incomes is for another reason.

I think that he will find that serving a wide spectrum of people will serve him better, in a matter of months.

Currently, a GP is paid between $37.90 and $59.80 per patient, depending on where they are located, per office visit for each Medicare patient. Specialists receive between 50% and 80% of their normal billing rates. The IRS allows physicians generous tax write-offs for amounts that they would normally receive.

If a doctor is having trouble making ends meet on those amounts above, then something else is wrong. Even if he spends 15 minutes with each patient, he's grossing $151.60 an hour. If he sees nothing at all but medicare patients day in and day out, and he sees patients for 8 hours a day, five days a week, he's grossing $1,212.80 a day, or $6,064.00 a week, or $315,328.00 a year.

Combined with the number of privately insured patients he sees, he's making probably double that amount. If the man is currently having trouble living off of that amount of gross income, less his overhead, which I'm sure is less than half of what he takes in per day, his priorities in life are screwed up.

"Be prepared to see it repeated many times over the next 36 months, thru 2015 unless something changes significantly."

Then I say, be prepared to see a bunch of physicians cutting off their noses to spite their own faces.

Even the richest people with Medicare coverage, are not going to spend a penny more to see a doctor than they have to, no matter the level of service provided.

I say good riddance to any physician that values money more than the patients who see them, and by all means, don't let the door slap them on their backsides on the way out.

There is not a physician in this country, who is facing going out of business as a result of seeing Medicare patients. If they are having financial difficulties, it is for some other reason...period.

There are clinics all over the country, including at least a dozen in our own area, that are doing fine serving low income patients. Of course, the medical professionals serving in those offices live decent, but most do not live in million dollar homes, dine on caviar and wine, or have $200,000 golf memberships at the country club to pay every year.

September 29, 2012 at 6:15 a.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "15 months later Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac dumped nearly 16 trillion in toxic loans on the economy."

So...you're one of those who believe that the black people in this country are the only ones who defaulted on their mortgages to the tune of 16 trillion dollars?

If you added up every sub-prime dollar loaned out to this very day, you would not even come close to a tenth of that amount.

Those GSE's purchased loans from all over the country, loaned to all kinds of people, believing them to be sound and written by banks following strict lending guidelines.

I repeat. Sub-prime borrowers were about 20% of all mortgages at the height of the housing bubble. Defaults on sub-primes were around 6%. There is no way on earth that a 6% default rate of 20% of the mortgage market collapsed our system of finance.

September 29, 2012 at 6:28 a.m.
EaTn said...

harp3339 said...

"EaTn said...

The federal government can't be run like a private business.

Why not? "

The private chief officer has total authority; the president has shared authority with the house, senate and supreme court.

September 29, 2012 at 6:49 a.m.
degage said...

Al, where in harps comment did he say anything about blacks. you liberals love playing the race card. The failure of fannie and freddie had nothing to do with blacks. He said Frank and waters called Bush racist becaus he wanted to rein in fannie and freddie, those two liberals were also playing the race card.

September 29, 2012 at 7:03 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Blackwater48 said: “The Bush recession, driven by the destructive combination of unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy, an unfunded Medicare prescription drug benefit, an unfunded war in Afghanistan and an unfunded war in Iraq, came to a head on Thursday, September 18, 2008.”

Indeed, Blackwater48. The Bush/Cheney administration just couldn’t be convinced to take personal responsibility. . . And when you listen to the proposals of the Republican presidential candidate, Mitt Romney, I’d say things haven’t changed when it comes to taking personal responsibility. The Republicans are still peddling that same old unfunded tax cuts for the wealthy and unfunded wars agenda.

September 29, 2012 at 7:08 a.m.
degage said...

News alert!! Obama notified congress of a 450 million dollar infusion to Egypt. They riot against america and Obama says give them money. I say any country that damages our embassies should not get one penny from the taxpayers. Muslim brotherhood wants their cake and eat it too.

One other thing the feds found a reason to arrest the alledged producer of the video that muslims claim is the reason they are so violent. the muslims called for his arrest and they got it. trumped up probation violations. I in no way condone the content of the video but it is still free speech. This smacks of political prisoner. If he had made a video of skateboarding would he have been arrested on a probation violation? I think not.

September 29, 2012 at 7:45 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said to EaTn in regard to running the Federal government like a private business: "Why not? That may be better than being run like a not for profit insurance company."

Hmmm. . . I’m sort of a pragmatist and have a few questions about your proposal, Harp3339.

For starters, how would a “business” budget for wars and defense?

How would a “business” budget for population growth? Would it mandate birth control and put a legal limit on the number of children that each family could have during their lifetime?

How would a “business” budget for things like crime and disease epidemics?

How would a “business” budget for earthquakes and weather disasters like floods, tornados and hurricanes? And how would a “business” budget for man-made disasters like TVA sludge and BP oil spills?

And how would a “business” guarantee life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness for all of its shareholders? Are there insurance policies for such things?

September 29, 2012 at 8:05 a.m.
alprova said...

"Al, where in harps comment did he say anything about blacks."

He didn't have to. Anyone who blames the CRA for this mess knows full and well that that block of mortgages went to minorities, and mainly African-Americans.

Therefore, anyone who blames CRA born sub-prime loans for the mortgage mess blames black people for all the defaulted mortgages.

"you liberals love playing the race card."

Just because someone doesn't outright come out and state it, doesn't mean it isn't implied.

"The failure of fannie and freddie had nothing to do with blacks."

You're absolutely right about that.

"He said Frank and waters called Bush racist becaus he wanted to rein in fannie and freddie, those two liberals were also playing the race card."

No Sir. They were shooting down the race card played by the Republicans, who are in overwhelming numbers responsible for the mortgage mess. Gramm-Leach-Blilely...look it up.

September 29, 2012 at 8:09 a.m.
degage said...

That is so liberal blaming. You assume and you know what that means. Al, You are one of the worst koolaid drinkers on this forum.

September 29, 2012 at 8:17 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "One other thing the feds found a reason to arrest the alledged producer of the video that muslims claim is the reason they are so violent. the muslims called for his arrest and they got it."

I'll not shed one tear or bow my head when he is ultimately murdered for what he has done.

"trumped up probation violations."

No Sir. The man directly violated the terms of his probation when he uploaded that trailer to YouTube. He was not to access the internet for five years.

You violate the terms of your probation, you go back to prison. It's as simple as that.

"I in no way condone the content of the video but it is still free speech."

Free speech rights do not always come without consequences. Case in point.

"This smacks of political prisoner."

Then spend the rest of your life fighting for his release. Me? I hope they throw away the key to his prison cell and keep him behind bars for life.

"If he had made a video of skateboarding would he have been arrested on a probation violation? I think not."

If it were to have played any part in four people being murdered, you can bet the end result would have been the same.

September 29, 2012 at 8:19 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "That is so liberal blaming. You assume and you know what that means. Al, You are one of the worst koolaid drinkers on this forum."

Pardon me if I don't get upset in the slightest by your expressed opinion about myself.

As always, you are free to refute anything I type. Calling me a Kool-aid drinker is rather meaningless, unless that is, you can begin to prove a doggone thing I state to be false.

September 29, 2012 at 8:27 a.m.
alprova said...

Fox News is eating crow pie at the moment, while still claiming they are serving apple strudel.

After a two and a half week war waged on the Obama Administration, accusing them of not being truthful to the events in Libya that led up to the murders of four Americans, it has come to light that our system of intelligence failed and there was no threat communicated to the White House of a planned attack, either before or for several days afterward.

The top brass in intelligence communicated to the White House that the attack in Libya was indeed spontaneous.

Of course, Fox News is trying to save face by claiming that "sources" are claiming that the intelligence officials knew that it was a planned attack within 24 hours.

What "sources"?

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/28/no-threat-assessment-in-benghazi-prior-to-ambassador-arrival-source-says/

September 29, 2012 at 8:41 a.m.
News_Junkie said...

I'm sorry to be so dense, but I can't fathom the cryptic message embedded in today's cartoon. Could somebody please clarify it for me?

September 29, 2012 at 8:44 a.m.
jesse said...

I "think" it means that for Romney every day this month has been a Friday the 13th!

September 29, 2012 at 8:52 a.m.
News_Junkie said...

Jesse:

That makes sense. Thanks.

September 29, 2012 at 9:09 a.m.
mymy said...

39 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

September 29, 2012 at 9:12 a.m.
rick1 said...

Al said "I'll not shed one tear or bow my head when he is ultimately murdered for what he has done."

Really Al you want this guy murdered. Al, you are such a hypocrite. You want a person murdered because you do not agree with their views on Muhammad. Yet you do not have a problem with people saying Christ was a homosexual and Mary was a prostitute.

By the way Al it has been confirmed out government knew the attack on our Embassy in Libya where our Ambassador and three other americans were murdered was a terrorist attack and the movie had nothing to do with it, even Hillay has come out and confirmed this. Of course you are have your head so far up Obama's ass you keep believing his lies.

The Obama Admin.did not follow security protocol and there was intell two days before there were going to be uprisings on 9/11 and the Obama Administration dropped the ball and Oama is now trying to cover it up.

September 29, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
degage said...

Al, In one post you blame the video for the deaths then you gloat that it seems Fox news got it wrong that The WH knew it was a planned attack. I doubt they got it wrong, someone had to cover obamas A$$.

So Al, planned attack or video, make up your mind.

September 29, 2012 at 9:17 a.m.
alprova said...

mymy, it is 38 days until the last election day in which people may cast their ballots.

You had it right yesterday.

September 29, 2012 at 9:18 a.m.
mymy said...

38 Days to Go!

It is still the economy/jobs/foreign policy/direction of country and National Security here and abroad.

Tick, Tock, Tick, Tock

Director of National Intelligence James Clapper is falling on his sword for Liar n Chief Obama. LOL kool-ade drinkers.

September 29, 2012 at 9:20 a.m.
conservative said...

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mathew 7:21-23

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

September 29, 2012 at 9:21 a.m.
rick1 said...

degage, Al has man crush on Obama and he will lie to defend him all day long. You could have a signed statement and video of Obama admitting he comitted a crime and Al would say both were altered.

Remmeber Al's post from last week where he said of all the people on the planet it would be the Prophet Obama he would want to meet and talk with and he just got so excited he sounded like a little school girl. I bet Al has several episodes of mental masturbation every day just thinking about Obama.

September 29, 2012 at 9:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

ML ask.....

For starters, how would a “business” budget for wars and defense?

Such events and others you ask about would affect all businesses the same so they would increase the cost of their products (taxes) accordingly and reduce the cost of doing business (spending) to no less than the break even point. Most long term successful business have enough cash or cash flow to handle one time events such as a weather disaster. The advantage of government is the stake holders cannot sell their shares like stock holders can.

The major difference is the CEO is not seeking re-election every four years but is subject to being replaced any time however if managing the business well is retained by the BOD and people keep their stock.

The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness a guarantee? Stock holders have a choice of not owning the stock if unhappy with the way a business is run. Stake holders are supposed to be able to limit the powers of government to those derived from the consent of the governed. The governed are often willing to increase those powers based on misleading and false promises of the governing.

September 29, 2012 at 9:44 a.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Really Al you want this guy murdered."

Do I WANT him murdered? No, but that is likely to happen to him. He made all the decisions that places his life in jeopardy.

"Al, you are such a hypocrite. You want a person murdered because you do not agree with their views on Muhammad."

What am I being hypocritical about? I jave never expressed so much as one opinion regarding the prophet Muhammad.

"Yet you do not have a problem with people saying Christ was a homosexual and Mary was a prostitute."

I don't? When have you ever seen me endorse such slander or libel about either?

"By the way Al it has been confirmed out government knew the attack on our Embassy in Libya where our Ambassador and three other americans were murdered was a terrorist attack and the movie had nothing to do with it, even Hillay has come out and confirmed this."

It appears to be the case now, but that was not made clear to the White House before, or for several days afterward. Read the Fox News story.

"Of course you are have your head so far up Obama's ass you keep believing his lies."

What has he lied about? No threat was communicated by the intelligence community to so much as one soul in the White House. The President related what was known and had been related to him at the time he spoke.

"The Obama Admin.did not follow security protocol and there was intell two days before there were going to be uprisings on 9/11 and the Obama Administration dropped the ball and Oama is now trying to cover it up."

Complete and utter B.S. Even Fox News wrote that no such warnings were communicated by anyone.

The military is the entity responsible for security at our consulates. While criticism that there was not enough security appears to be valid, the President does not make the security calls for every consulate location throughout the world. That starts and ends with the Pentagon.

And given that it is now a fact that the President was not informed of any prior threat to the Lybian consulate, I truly fail to see how anyone can lay an ounce of blame at his feet for what happened.

If you still maintain that there was a credible threat communicated to the President that there was a planned attack, and that he failed to act on it, where is your proof?

The top official in intelligence has taken responsibility for NOT informing the White House that there was rumors of a planned attack.

Now, I'm sure that you'll fire back with, "He's just taking blame as the fall guy for what Obama failed to do,"...is that about right?

That's a heck of a guy to take all that blame, putting his career on the line to take the focus off of the President.

Is it so believable to you that a man in his position would take the blame for what amounted to the loss of four American lives to make the President look better?

You bashers are really going off the deep end the closer the election day looms.

September 29, 2012 at 9:45 a.m.
degage said...

Yes Rick1, I remember that post , I had to laugh because it seemed he was having an orgasm just thinking about Obama.

September 29, 2012 at 9:48 a.m.
jesse said...

It's Obama's name on the door al,therefore he owns this fiasco in Libya!It's his job to be up on stuff like this,It's what he was elected to do!

September 29, 2012 at 9:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova posted....

The top brass in intelligence communicated to the White House that the attack in Libya was indeed spontaneous.

Once again Obama is not to blame it may have been Bush's fault. It is safe to assume something will spontaneously be done to improve intelligence? Or, do they get away with saying "my bad" or we just misspoke?

Romney may not be any better but why keep defending this hapless idiot?

September 29, 2012 at 9:59 a.m.
jesse said...

I'm willing to concede that Obama is the better choice BUT i also have been wondering why Al refuses to admit that Obama has ALMOST as many warts as Romney!

I still say we are in big trouble no matter who wins!

September 29, 2012 at 10:16 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova responded to degage with...

No Sir. They were shooting down the race card played by the Republicans, who are in overwhelming numbers responsible for the mortgage mess. Gramm-Leach-Blilely...look it up.

You have seen the video of the hearing with Bush and Snow which had nothing to do with G-L-B or any republican race card playing.

The toxic loans were not dominated by blacks but did result due to the complicit participation of F&F with Franks encouragement and big bonuses to F&F officials.

September 29, 2012 at 10:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

jesse said...

I still say we are in big trouble no matter who wins!

I again agree with you jesse.

September 29, 2012 at 10:20 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

ALPO: You guys are killing the country with the propensity to reduce everything to race. Your call-out of Harp is knee-jerk strategy from the left. One day soon, the willy-nilly use of the R word will blow up in the left's face. You know better and should be ashamed, Cliff.

September 29, 2012 at 10:25 a.m.
mymy said...

http://www.atr.org/five-worst-obamacare-taxes-coming-a7217

To see the rest of the poem: see comments.

T'was the night before elections,

And all thru' the town,

Tempers were flaring

Emotions ran up and down.

I, in my bathrobe

With a cat in my lap,

Had shut off the TV,

tired of political crap.

When all of a sudden,

There arose such a noise,………….

September 29, 2012 at 10:28 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."I still say we are in big trouble no matter who wins!"

Jesse - we have been in big trouble since the end of the Vietnam war (or earlier). Of the presidents since Johnson, only Jimmie Carter had the courage to tell us and, by doing so, guaranteed that he would only serve one term. He gave us the Fram speech - we refused to pay "now" and "later" has caught up with us. We lack the courage to face reality and we are too selfish to deal with it. For the sake of perpetuating the fantasy, we sold the country to the oligarchs.

September 29, 2012 at 10:30 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Now, this is the work of the droning partisan hack we have all come to expect. Clay is back!

September 29, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."One day soon, the willy-nilly use of the R word will blow up in the left's face."

You might be prescient Jack...then, again, maybe not. That's an easy prediction to make because the racists in this country have the far superior arsenal.

September 29, 2012 at 10:32 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said..."Obama’s God Fails Him Again"

Unless you aren't Christian, Conservative, the President worships that same God as you.

September 29, 2012 at 10:34 a.m.
MTJohn said...

harp3339 said..."Yes, some did, but you will see an acceleration in the number. We will just have to wait and see but I can understand why they would get away from medicare."

Those who refuse medicare, with or without ACA, will be out of work when they discover that there are not enough patients who can afford to get care from a boutique practice.

September 29, 2012 at 10:37 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MTJohn. You prove my point. All against BHO are racist, right?

September 29, 2012 at 10:48 a.m.
conservative said...

MtJohn

Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.Mathew 7:21-23

September 29, 2012 at 10:52 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said...

Those who refuse medicare, with or without ACA, will be out of work when they discover that there are not enough patients who can afford to get care from a boutique practice.

Keep in mind 100% will be insured unless they opt to pay the tax. Therefore, significantly more private policies and the ability to select the best physicians. There will still be enough physicians assistants and nurse practitioners and long lines for medicare and medicaid patients. The process for those with medicare selecting a Dr. may become more critical. All doctors are not equally competent.

Again, we shall see how it unfolds. I hope I am wrong. I read where BCBS is projecting a 2-3X increase in medicare premiums but not sure that information was valid. It needs to be plus a medical tax increase since current revenue only covers about sixty cents of each claim dollar.

September 29, 2012 at 10:55 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

One of two things, either Obama's a liar, or he is the most ignorant of any president. His number one job as president is to protect Americans from our enemies at home and abroad. To not have ordered our embassies strengthened or have our ambassadors take a "vacation" on a sensitive date such as 9/11 is dereliction of duty as president.

And now to blatantly lie about it and partake in the massive cover-up that is taking place, is making this an impeachable offense. Nixon resigned because he lied about Watergate. Obama's lying about the deaths of our diplomats. By all counts, the Ambassador knew about the Al-Qaeda presence locally and communicated that fact with the intelligence people. And you liberals are going to tell us that Obama didn't care enough about the volatility in that region to know anything about it? Unbelievable.

September 29, 2012 at 11:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

The military is the entity responsible for security at our consulates. While criticism that there was not enough security appears to be valid, the President does not make the security calls for every consulate location throughout the world. That starts and ends with the Pentagon.

Who selects the person heading up the Pentagon? Who will be replaced due to such a gross failure?

And given that it is now a fact that the President was not informed of any prior threat to the Lybian consulate, I truly fail to see how anyone can lay an ounce of blame at his feet for what happened.

No, No, No, not a single ounce of blame simply because he selects those failing to accurately inform him you can't hold the Teflon man responsible for their failure, he may have to replace them. He who admonished others for reacting too quickly with inaccurate information would not knowingly again do his ready-fire-aim routine. Does this call for another beer summit of much greater magnitude?

September 29, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
ricardo said...

If Secretary Clinton had ordered all diplomats in the Middle East to take a vacation on 9/11, you would be howling about how they cowered and cut and run. Okay, we get it. You don't like Obama. What else do you have to say?

September 29, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
EaTn said...

mymy said...."Reagan Warned Us About Obama". On his best days, Ronald Reagan was capable of reading and vocalizing script. Hollywood had prepared him well for the role that would fool the gullible voters, just like in the movies.

September 29, 2012 at 11:12 a.m.
skiiiii664 said...

Romney is going to win. A LOT of Obama lovers are going to be too lazy and complacent to show up at the polls. If you think the country and world is better off than it was 4 years ago, you have your head up your (or obama's) A-$-$. Hell, we are not even better off today than ONE YEAR AGO.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151084927005954&set=a.81792140953.80416.81686250953&type=1&theater

September 29, 2012 at 11:13 a.m.
tderng said...

alprova said... mymy, it is 38 days until the last election day in which people may cast their ballots.

So alprova,does this mean that you anticipate a complete takeover by our marxist-in-chief and that future elections will be suspended?He definitely has the personality for it.He is a severe narcissist.He would fit right in with Castro,Chavez,and Pol Pot.

Perhaps I should stop posting negative comments about him before the Re-education police come for me!Maybe I too should go ahead and proclaim him God. Maybe I should run to Canada!Unless he decides that the U.S.A. isn't big enough for His ego and begins to look around and realize he could take over Mexico then Canada.Then He could be God over the whole of North America. Or will it be called something else? Perhaps,Obamia,or The People's Republic of Barrackia. I'm sure you would be the first to rush to Hussienton D.C. to bow down and kiss his feet and proclaim him God.

September 29, 2012 at 11:20 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Omar Khadr has been sent from Guantanamo to Canada, after returning from the jihad in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Khadr is slated to stay in custody for the time being. It is difficult to think of a more mythologized figure in the post-9/11 war on terror. For the worldwide left, Khadr has become a symbol of all that is supposedly wrong with America’s fight against the al Qaeda terror network. He is now, in many minds, a victim. For one Canadian magazine, Omar Khadr is even a Christ-like figure.

TREMENDOUS DECISION BY BHO's DOJ. (totally incompetent boobs)

September 29, 2012 at 11:23 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack_Dennis said..."MTJohn. You prove my point. All against BHO are racist, right?"

No.

But, there is a racial dimension to some of the opposition to the president - especially some of the baseless and irrational criticism, e.g. the birther movement, references to the President as a Muslim and references to the President as the biggest socialist in history. There also is a racial dimension to our inability to improve our welfare system (e.g. references to welfare queens and crack hos) and, as a society, we have yet to really embrace the voting rights act and Brown v. Board of Ed.

Also note that there are many racially motivated hate groups in this country and most of those have substantial arsenals. Thus, my post.

September 29, 2012 at 11:25 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Wrong again. I would like it if they pulled ALL of our ambassadors out of the region. In fact, they should pull ALL AMERICANS out of the region PERIOD! And stop ALL financial "aid" to these desert "nations"!

And this to alpo the racist. You DO know that the majority of poor people in this country are white..don't you? Everything is racial and classified in the liberal mind, and yours is warped.

September 29, 2012 at 11:26 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said..."Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven."

True. But, it is not yours to judge. I don't need to cite all of those passages because you know them as well as I.

September 29, 2012 at 11:27 a.m.
MTJohn said...

skiiiii664 said..."If you think the country and world is better off than it was 4 years ago, you have your head up your (or obama's) A-$-$."

I don't agree with you. But, assuming that you are correct, what is your basis for concluding that 1) Romney cares about you; and, 2) you will be better off in 2016 with a Romney administration than with an Obama administration?

September 29, 2012 at 11:30 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

The presidential contest is far from over, but House Democrats are already readying their legislative wish-lists in hopes that President Obama is reelected.

“I think he'd want his administration to start on healthcare,” said Rep. Mike Honda (D-Calif.).

“The critical issues will be revenue generation … and … a concerted push on immigration reform,” said Rep. Raul Grijalva (D-Ariz.).

“We should get back to an energy policy – one that acknowledges that climate change is real,” said Rep. Peter Welch (D-Vt.).

“I'm hoping he'll do immigration reform,” said Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas).

“He's got to continue to concentrate on jobs,” Rep. Bill Pascrell said last week as the House was leaving town for a long, pre-election recess.

OBAMA CLAUS!! What a joke. Like little kids waiting for daddy to come home from the store. Absolutely pathetic.

September 29, 2012 at 11:36 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo loves government handouts so much, I'm considering calling him gravy train from here on out. "Instant din' din' for dogs".

September 29, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MTJohn said " But, there is a racial dimension to some of the opposition to the president - especially some of the baseless and irrational criticism, e.g. the birther movement, references to the President as a Muslim and references to the President as the biggest socialist in history. There also is a racial dimension to our inability to improve our welfare system (e.g. references to welfare queens and crack hos) and, as a society, we have yet to really embrace the voting rights act and Brown v. Board of Ed."

Still not getting it John. None of your examples prove any racial element. Birthers? seems to me to be room for doubt, tho I'm no birther. Muslim? seems slightly possible considering his background.. How's that racist? Welfare system? Many in both parties agree it is a clusterfkuke. Racist? Don't see it. Voting rights act? Errors on both sides, tho you won't hear but one side. John, perhaps you've seen too much MSNBC.

September 29, 2012 at 11:43 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jack - my primary news source is NPR and print sources. For tv news, I rely primarily on PBS. I also use the only 24-hour news (sort of) channel in this country - CNN. MSNBC, like FOX, is all opinion all the time - I have no use for either.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree whether there is a racial dimension to welfare and public education and the current flap over voting rights.

September 29, 2012 at 11:50 a.m.
TOES02800 said...

I've read a few posts here, and so far the only one I saw reference black people to "welfare queens and crack ho's" is emptyjohn. That says a lot about you emptyjohn.

September 29, 2012 at 11:52 a.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

MTjohn: I never said racism doesn't exist in this country. It's one of the great tragedies of our time. But to assign it to all those opposing BHO is just flat out wrong headed and the left has bought into it. Not only wrong in and of itself, but dangerous and divisive. You cannot honestly tell me that this is not a well thought out strategery of the left. Can you?

September 29, 2012 at 12:04 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

PBS is nothing but a left-wing "news" entity that is funded partially by the taxpayer.

I wonder how the lefties here would react if FOX news was funded by their tax dollars.

September 29, 2012 at 12:23 p.m.
ricardo said...

What does racism have to do with how poorly Romney is doing in this election? What does he have to offer as an alternative policy?

September 29, 2012 at 12:33 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alternative to what?

September 29, 2012 at 12:39 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

RICKYARDO: It's your side's mantra, Ric.

September 29, 2012 at 12:42 p.m.
ricardo said...

I'll repeat the question: What does racism have to do with how poorly Romney is doing in this election?

September 29, 2012 at 12:58 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

Ricardo: Are you blind? Romney and his supporters get pounded daily (unfairly) with the R card. Surely you're kidding.

September 29, 2012 at 1:26 p.m.
MTJohn said...

TOES02800 said..."PBS is nothing but a left-wing "news" entity that is funded partially by the taxpayer."

Please substantiate the conclusion that PBS is nothing but a left-wing "news" entity with facts - real facts.

And, please note that, for all of its bluster to the contrary, based on viewer ratings, Fox is the mainstream media.

September 29, 2012 at 1:35 p.m.
miraweb said...

There is an old story that ends "you knew I was a snake when you took me in . . . " The GOP is shocked, shocked, SHOCKED! I say! that Nathan Sproul has been forging voter registrations.

The Sproul voter registration scandal has widened to 10 Florida Counties. Forged and altered registrations are being turned over to prosecutors.

Sproul has been doing this for a very long time. I was a little suprised to learn that between fraudulent voter registration drives he had time to be the Christian Coalition head for Arizona.

What a busy guy.


FLORIDA

What first appeared to be an isolated problem in one Florida county has now spread statewide, with election officials in at least seven counties informing prosecutors or state election officials about questionable voter registration forms filled out on behalf of the Republican Party of Florida.

The Republican Party of Florida has paid Strategic Allied Consulting more than $1.3 million, and the Republican National Committee used the group for nearly $3 million of work in Nevada, North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia. Federal election records also show that Republican parties in North Carolina, Colorado and Virginia had paid the company.

Ann Bodenstein, the elections supervisor for Santa Rosa County, said her staff started raising questions after an employee saw a form that changed the home address of a neighbor.

Paul Lux, election supervisor for Okaloosa County, said questionable forms in the Florida Panhandle appear to have all come from Strategic’s effort based at the local Republican Party headquarters. He said his office has turned up dozens of suspect forms.

Lux said there have been forms that listed dead people and were either incomplete or illegible.

He met with local prosecutors on Friday, but added that his staff was still going through hundreds of forms dropped off by Strategic employees.

In Florida, it is a third-degree felony to “willfully submit” any false voter registration information, a crime punishable by up to five years in prison.

http://www.sfltimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=11206&Itemid=144


COLORADO

Colorado's Republican Party severed a contract Thursday with D.C.-based Strategic Allied Consulting after national party officials fired the same firm for potential voter fraud in Florida.

In Colorado, Strategic Allied Consulting was registering voters, said Colorado GOP Chair Ryan Call, who said they also had planned on using the firm for get-out-the-vote efforts.

He wouldn't say how much the Colorado GOP had paid to Strategic Allied Consulting because he said they were still sorting through invoices. He said it would all be reported on Federal Elections Commission reports, as required by law.

http://www.denverpost.com/recommended/ci_21648752

September 29, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
miraweb said...

More on Nathan Sproul (July 5, 2005)

In the months before the 2004 presidential election, a firm called Sproul & Associates launched voter registration drives in at least eight states, most of them swing states.

The group--run by Nathan Sproul, former head of the Arizona Christian Coalition and the Arizona Republican Party--had been hired by the Republican National Committee.

On Dec. 3, 2004, the Republican National Committee filed their Post-General Report with the FEC, accounting for all expenditures between Oct. 14 and Nov. 22.

Among the Itemized Disbursements there were listed six expenditures to Sproul & Associates, amounting to a total sum of $4.5 million. Three of them were for "Political Consulting," and the other three were for "Voter Registration Costs."

The RNC paid Sproul the biggest amount on the day before the election: $1,668,733.

In any case, all the payments by the RNC to Sproul add up to a whopping $8,359,161--making it the RNC's eighth biggest expenditure of the 2004 campaign.

Sproul is currently under investigation by the Oregon Attorney General's office, for altering the voter registration forms of several thousand students in that state.

http://baltimorechronicle.com/070505Miller-Irmus.shtml

September 29, 2012 at 2:08 p.m.
caddy said...

http://lewrockwell.com/wilson-brian/wilson-brian43.1.html

"While my ladies agreed with the facts and rationality of Romney’s "47%" comments, they were unanimous in thinking it lost the election for the Republicans because the news media has been able to frame the issue so that it "sounds" like Romney does not care. On the other hand Obama "sounds" like he cares even though he is spewing provable lies. Much of the electorate simply does not care about facts or reason. When I see an unrepentant collectivist miscreant essentially tied for the electorate’s affection, I have to agree. In a factual, rational world he would have about 2% of the electorate in his corner. Five generations after Antonio Gramsci formulated the "march through the institutions" for the radical Left, who can dispute the observation that the collectivists control every meaningful institution critical to forming the thoughts, perceptions, and attitudes of Western Civilization – schools, courts, churches, media, popular culture? As I have said before, the upcoming election is a not so much a judgment on Romney or Obama, it is a revelation of us as a nation."

September 29, 2012 at 2:13 p.m.
caddy said...

I am by no means a Romney fan, he ranked eleventh among the ten GOP candidates for me, but I believe that another term of this current communist cabal will bring an end to the United States of America. I have made no secret of my conclusion that this outcome is nearly inevitable, but I keep hoping and praying that the nation will come to its senses, but I do not see evidence of that hope coming to fruition. Sometimes a brief experiential vignette brings further clarity to my thought.

Last Monday I was in the waiting room of the car dealer service center biding my time until the shuttle took me to work while the car was being repaired. The television was on and it seemed like every advertisement was either by Romney or Obama. The response of the rest of the patrons was startling in its vehemence. When Romney was on the screen the virulent hostility of every single person (except me) was palpable. I was taken aback by the venomous hatred, and several of the observers expressed out loud a desire to literally kill Romney themselves. Why? Because, "He is going to take away our stuff!" An Obama appearance was greeted with enthusiasm equal to the previous hatred as these folks expressed an exhortation to "Protect our boy so he can keep giving us our stuff."

When I mentioned this to my wife and my adult daughters, sensible conservative pro-life Godly women all, they concurred with the general thesis of this essay. Conservatives "sound mean" and are falling farther and farther behind when they try to make reasoned, factual arguments. The vast majority of the electorate is immune to factual arguments, they aver, because the world is now governed by rampant emotionalism, and the Leftists are simply far more skilled at using irrational, emotional manipulation.(Emphasis added) In my ladies’ assessments, the GOP has to make emotional arguments to counter the Left and connect with the electorate, and they (conservatives/GOP) are simply incapable to doing so effectively.

Indeed, conservatism, with its message of self responsibility, probity, temperance, hard work, and virtue is a tough sell when the opposition is simply making promises to give away more stuff to freeloaders, moochers, and looters. Remember the apocryphal story, probably fictional but nevertheless imbued with truth, of the election for third grade class president when one candidate outlined and agenda while his opponent merely promised free ice cream and more play time, thus winning in a landslide? That is the electorate today. Future be damned, give me my ice cream!

http://lewrockwell.com/wilson-brian/wilson-brian43.1.html

September 29, 2012 at 2:14 p.m.
caddy said...

From the Czech Republic, CLay. It was translated into English from an article in the Prague newspaper, Prager Zeitungon.

“The danger to America is not Barack Obama, but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools, such as those who made him their President.”

September 29, 2012 at 2:17 p.m.
miraweb said...

Except that is a fake quote.

Here is the original:

The danger to South Africa is not Jacob Zuma but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a Zuma presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president. The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Zuma, who is a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince.

The Republic can survive a Jacob Zuma, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their President."

September 29, 2012 at 2:32 p.m.
miraweb said...

TQQ - that statement is their direct quote from the article.

I labeled the time period at the top of the post. It's the part that is in bold, if you are having trouble finding it.

September 29, 2012 at 2:34 p.m.
ricardo said...

Jack_Dennis said..."Ricardo: Are you blind? Romney and his supporters get pounded daily (unfairly) with the R card. Surely you're kidding."

Is he?

September 29, 2012 at 2:35 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

the Caddy making sense

September 29, 2012 at 2:47 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "It appears to be the case now, but that was not made clear to the White House before, or for several days afterward.

You and your Prophet Obama are both liars. Within 24 hours, the White House knew the assault on our Libyan consulate was a terrorist attack. Al, why do you continue to lie about this?

September 29, 2012 at 2:50 p.m.
alprova said...

Harp3339 wrote: "No, No, No, not a single ounce of blame simply because he selects those failing to accurately inform him you can't hold the Teflon man responsible for their failure, he may have to replace them."

I think if you'll do a little research, you'll discover that the President doesn't monkey around with those who work in intelligence.

"He who admonished others for reacting too quickly with inaccurate information would not knowingly again do his ready-fire-aim routine. Does this call for another beer summit of much greater magnitude?"

You know as well as I do, that the only thing worse than for the President to have spoken too early before all the facts were in evidence, would for him to have waited to speak at all.

Clearly, the man is damned no matter what he does.

September 29, 2012 at 3:13 p.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "And this to alpo the racist. You DO know that the majority of poor people in this country are white..don't you? Everything is racial and classified in the liberal mind, and yours is warped."

I'm not about to discuss anything serious with you. It's a complete waste of my time and energy.

Go back, read my post and see if you can figure out why it is exactly why any reference to the CRA as being responsible for the housing meltdown, is and always will be an accusation that blacks were responsible for what went down.

Blaming the CRA is a scapegoat pure and simple.

September 29, 2012 at 3:18 p.m.
rick1 said...

Toes, here is a good article published in 1999 from the left leaning NY Times talks about how Fannie and Freddie loosened their lending standards to encourage those with less then stellar credit to be able to obtain home mortage loans.

The article stated "In moving, even tentatively, into this new area of lending, Fannie Mae is taking on significantly more risk, which may not pose any difficulties during flush economic times. But the government-subsidized corporation may run into trouble in an economic downturn, prompting a government rescue similar to that of the savings and loan industry in the 1980's."

http://www.nytimes.com/1999/09/30/business/fannie-mae-eases-credit-to-aid-mortgage-lending.html?src=pm

September 29, 2012 at 3:28 p.m.
blackwater48 said...

WHO'S THE VICTIM?

It seems the only person who wanted Romney to be the republican nominee was Romney. Even though he's been campaigning for five years he had to saturated the airwaves with 30-second negative TV ads to wrench the nomination from his rivals. He didn't lay out a vision of his presidency or a vision of America's future. He just beat his opponents into submission.

To be honest, it shouldn't have been that tough. All the republicans running had serious political baggage. The heavy weights, Chris Christy and Jeb Bush to name two, were chicken. If they ran this year and lost they'd never get another shot. We'll see them both in 2016.

So the GOP is stuck with Romney and you think the media is out to get him? He's a fool. If someone calls him a idiot it's not a partisan attack. He's the worst presidential candidate in a long time, the inevitable result of a process that relies so heavily on money.

The fault lies not in your stars, but in yourselves.

September 29, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
miraweb said...

Here is the extended version of the quote. The original source was a speech by Prince Mangosuthu Buthelezi, traditional Prime Minister of the Zulu Nation in South Africa. The quote is on page 24 of the conference report at the link below:

In many domestic and international venues concerns are expressed about the country’s leadership. Yet, the danger to South Africa is not rotten leaders but a citizenry capable of entrusting such leaders with their future.

It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of a few rotten leaders than to install the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such people as their leaders.

The problem is much deeper and far more serious, than corrupt or inept leaders, who are a mere symptom of what ails South Africa. Blaming the King of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their King.

The Republic can survive fools in high offices. It is less likely to survive if those electing them are left in their condition of human underdevelopment. How we all focus on this, is the biggest challenge as far as achieving the concept of the things that unite us, as a country.

The Things That Unite Us As South Africans Conference 2 February 2011. Sponsored by the FW de Klerk Foundation. CapeTown, South Africa

Conference Report and Speeches:

http://www.kas.de/doc/kas_21867-1522-1-30.pdf

Sorry for the slight misquote earlier.

September 29, 2012 at 3:36 p.m.
ricardo said...
September 29, 2012 at 3:43 p.m.
miraweb said...

Nathan Sproul is many things, but a poor innocent waif, being unfairly smeared by the media is not among them.

There is a question as to why this man has not (yet) had multiple felony convictions for fraud. The answer lies in the powerful friends who owe him their seats.

In the last round, the Nevada whistleblower who rejected some of Sproul's "creative writing" products was fired.

Sproul is many things to many people.

But he is not a nice guy - Christian Coalition head or not.

September 29, 2012 at 3:55 p.m.
hotdiggity said...

Wow, the braying of the right wing is starting to reach a crescendo here. The latest polls seem to have the right all in a tizzy.

Seems the independents and undecided have realized that Mitt only speaks for the rich and big business.

Of course Mitt can still count on the hillbilly vote in the Deep South. Lord knows that Mitt has got there concerns at heart.

September 29, 2012 at 4:36 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.....

I think if you'll do a little research, you'll discover that the President doesn't monkey around with those who work in intelligence.

Alprova without research it is evident he doesn't but not as evident he shouldn't. I think he may have selected the CIA leader and other heads of security departments? Apparently they are monkeying around with him since he did make some of them rather unhappy so why not get in their a$$ and get something right. Again, our wonderful congress got involved more in intelligence in recent years and the intelligence community has not been as effective since.

September 29, 2012 at 5:24 p.m.
ricardo said...

hotdiggity said..."Of course Mitt can still count on the hillbilly vote in the Deep South. Lord knows that Mitt has got there concerns at heart."

LOL, these hillbillies hate Obama so much, they are voting for someone who is just as liberal as him.

September 29, 2012 at 5:30 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

diggety: I got your hillbilly.

September 29, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "You and your Prophet Obama are both liars. Within 24 hours, the White House knew the assault on our Libyan consulate was a terrorist attack. Al, why do you continue to lie about this?"

Proof? Your making that statement repeatedly is meaningless.

Fox News backs me up. Read the article.

If you have proof positive that the White House was informed within 24 hours that it was a terrorist attack, then by golly post the proof that they were indeed notified.

September 29, 2012 at 6:10 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Toes, here is a good article published in 1999 from the left leaning NY Times talks about how Fannie and Freddie loosened their lending standards to encourage those with less then stellar credit to be able to obtain home mortage loans."

Fannie and Freddie do not write mortgages. Nobody goes to Fannie and Freddie to buy a house, with the exception of purchasing a property that it currently owns and that has been foreclosed upon.

F&F did not set forth any of the lending standards that were not followed during most of the last decade. F&F was set up by the Gov't in 1970 to buy mortgages submitted to them by banks which allows banks to have more capital to loan out, thus boosting profits for the banks and also to boost home ownership by Americans. It is the banks who were formerly required to follow strict lending guidelines, and it was the banks that abandoned those guidelines to chase quick profits.

Once you understand that simple fact, it might begin to dawn on you that Freddie and Fannie were victims in the mortgage mess too.

Gramm-Leach-Blilely allowed investment houses and banks to bundle mortgages that the banks knew were hastily written and place them up as investment opportunities that the banks knew would likely end in default.

Some were dumped on F&F and others were made their way to Wall Street, and were sold as legitimate investments that made their way into mutual funds.

This crap that has been spewed over the past few years that sub-prime loans, born when the CRA was passed, which provided an avenue for minorities, mainly African-Americans, is nothing but pure and unadulterated bunk.

You believe whatever you wish. It was not the black people of this nation who collapsed the mortgage industry, for the reason I posted earlier today.

6% of 20% of all mortgages in default did not cause the mess. What did cause the mortgage mess was by and large, the sheer number of traditional mortgages that investors of real estate defaulted upon, who were lily white, who falsified their finances, their assets, the debt to income ratios, and who were assisted by unqualified mortgage brokers to do so.

Don't take my word. Look it up yourself. Do the necessary research that bypasses the Republican crap that claims that the CRA is responsible for this mess. The CRA is not at the core of what went down. The truth is out there. Find it or don't find it.

You can start by Googling "Gramm-Leach-Blilely." Take note of which political party those three men represented. Take note of the fact that one of them was on the banking committee in Congress.

Google "Glass-Steagall Act." Read why that piece of legislation was passed in 1933 and why it stood for 66 years until it was rescinded in 1999.

If your powers of comprehension are up and running, it will not be hard for anyone reading to put the pieces of the puzzle together and to see what went wrong and how it could have been prevented.

September 29, 2012 at 6:46 p.m.
miraweb said...

Nathan Sproul uses a bunch of aliases including:

El Paso County Clerk's Office (2012)

When the unidentified woman shooting the video then asks the registration worker who she works for, the young lady admits, "I'm actually trying to register voters for a particular party, because...we're out here in support of Romney, actually."

Then the woman asks her who is paying her for this work and the young lady, after a moment's pause, says, "We're working for the county clerk's office."

"It was her first day on the job and she panicked," Bremer told KOAA.

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9583

Lincoln Strategy Group (2012)

Lincoln Strategy Group, another Sproul company, was paid about $70,000 by Mitt Romney's campaign during the primaries to gather signatures.

http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/09/rnc-cuts-ties-to-get-out-the-vote-firm-after-investigation-revealed-80400.html

Liberty Consultants (2006)

A voter registration group has been banished from WalMarts in Tennessee for failing to meet the retailer's non-partisan standards.

. . . The request was denied after Gary Thompson, acknowledged he had been hired by Tempe, Ariz.-based Sproul & Associates.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2006-08-23/news/0608230174_1_wal-wal-mart-voter-registration

America Votes! (2004)

A local librarian checking on a company's request to set up a voter registration booth in the library discovered the company was not affiliated with a non-partisan national group as it claimed.

Sproul & Associates, Inc. of Phoenix, Ariz., phoned and mailed the library in September, saying it had been hired by America Votes.

That came as news to America Votes.

This organization (Sproul) absolutely has nothing to do with America Votes, said Kevin Looper, the state organizing director for America Votes.

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040921/BIZ/309219998&cid=sitesearch

Voters Outreach of America (2004)

According to Las Vegas, Nevada reporter George Knapp, Russell "managed to retrieve a pile of shredded paperwork including signed voter registration forms, all from Democrats," Knapp reported. "We took them to the Clark County Election Department and confirmed that they had not, in fact, been filed with the county as required by law."

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Voters_Outreach_of_America

Protect Arizona Now / Ralph Nader for President (2004)

According to several sources, the Nader campaign was assisted in its petition drive by an unlikely figure: the ultra-conservative former executive director of the Arizona Republican Party, Nathan Sproul.

In fact, according to a volunteer for the Arizona Democratic Party who has reviewed Nader's signatures, of the more than 21,000 signatures Nader garnered, a whopping 65 percent percent came from Republicans, compared to 18 percent from Democrats.

http://prospect.org/article/naders-dubious-raiders-0

September 29, 2012 at 7:13 p.m.
ricardo said...

Jack_Dennis said..."diggety: I got your hillbilly." September 29, 2012 at 5:45 p.m.

Hey Jack, how many teefs do you still have left?

September 29, 2012 at 7:14 p.m.
degage said...

Al, are you still on that race thing. No one thinks it was blacks but you. We read your rants and only have to believe you are the racist since you can't get past the race card. You act like if you are conservative you are a racist. that isn't true and you know it , your just being nasty as usual.

September 29, 2012 at 7:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

Interestingly, the law now says that if the result disadvantages a protected group, it doesn't matter if that wasn't the intent. This is a recent change.

Here is a link settlement with HR Block / Option One precisely for charging higher fees on mortgages to Black and Latino homeowners.

Though, let's be clear - blaming the homeowners is a bit like blaming Ford Pinto drivers for their gas tanks exploding.

The banks created faulty products that had no business being on the market.

When you look at how hard they worked to hide it, that it seems impossible to believe they didn't know what they were selling was utter crap.

http://www.mass.gov/ago/news-and-updates/press-releases/2011/option-one-settlement.html

September 29, 2012 at 7:40 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al here is your proof that the Obama Admin knew this was a terror attack 24 hours after it happened.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/26/u-s-officials-knew-libya-attacks-were-work-of-al-qaeda-affiliates.html

September 29, 2012 at 7:46 p.m.
ricardo said...

Daily Beast Haahaha yeah right

September 29, 2012 at 7:48 p.m.
Jack_Dennis said...

In Florida this afternoon, Vice President Joe Biden reminded supporters that thanks to President Obama, they could now get colonoscopies without a co-pay.

Talk about pandering to the A-holes.

September 29, 2012 at 8:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb.....

I for one surrender and will admit Nathan Sproul is without scruples, he is a crook, he was enlisted by the RNC and later all ties were severed when suspicious actions on his part were reported and/or proven.

Why are you so obsessed with this individual? What is the objective of all the post regarding the allegations against Sproul? Are you trying to infer that Romney knew what Sproul was doing and hired him to do those things he is accused of? Is it your intent to cast Romney in a bad light and cause people to vote for Obama?

If so, why not spend all that Sproul time telling people all the wonderful things Obama has done for the country and how much better off the country is because he was where he was when?

Provide facts not just opinions that show people disparaging Obama where they are wrong. Your attack tactics and those that attack Obama are simply saying both are bad but my candidate is less bad then trying to prove it by telling people how bad the other guy is.

September 29, 2012 at 8:20 p.m.
miraweb said...

Obama is a known quantity. You may like him, or not - but you know who the guy is.

The GOP has traditionally steered $5 - $10 million in funding to Mr. Sproul per election cycle. He is hardly a fringe player or an unknown quantity.

If Romney invested $70,000 in a company without doing due diligence, he would be a bad businessman.

The alternative is Romney knew all about Sproul, but really needed a few more signatures to get on the primary ballot and took the "easy" way out - even if Sproul was a potential risk to his campaign.

Either view speaks to Romney's character, which is still a remarkably unknown quantity at this late date.

September 29, 2012 at 8:44 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Aunt Rosie AKA. mira has OCD big time. She gets someone in her mind and runs with it. Remember Ronnie Paul?

September 29, 2012 at 8:49 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo should move to Florida. He needs an insecticide enema to get that bug out of his asz.

September 29, 2012 at 8:55 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Come on mira! With all the shady deals from Obama, your fishing for plankton with the Sproul thing.

Where was your concern for misdeeds when it became clear that Solyndra has ties with Obama bundlers? Or how about Obama's union bailout money finding it's way back to the Obama campaign? Or how about Obama's failure to meet with foreign leaders in a time of world unrest?

And you have the nerve to talk trash on Romney's character.

Your mediamatters talking points leave much to be desired.

September 29, 2012 at 9:05 p.m.
ricardo said...

When a liberal group like ACORN is found guilty of voter fraud, the conservatards start hooting and howling about it. But when a conservatard like Sproul is found stuffing the ballot box, you cry foul. What a bunch of hypocrites.

September 29, 2012 at 9:10 p.m.
miraweb said...

C'mon Toes - let's hear some nice things about your candidate!

;)

September 29, 2012 at 9:14 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

mira said: "Either view speaks to Romney's character, which is still a remarkably unknown quantity at this late date".

We know WAY more about Romney at this point in the race than we than we ever knew about Obama. Hell, other than the pot smoking choom gang, much of Obama's past is STILL a mystery.

September 29, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
328Kwebsite said...

We're waiting on Punch Sulzberger's obituary. Most newspapers have been broadcasting one for several hours. Get on it.

You are getting it wrong again by not publishing an obit on Arthur Ochs Sulzberger.

Somebody wake up editorial. Put down the beer at T-Bones. Turn off the Rush Limbaugh AM radio. Write the obit that should have been prepared long ago. Thanks.

September 29, 2012 at 9:22 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

ricola said: "When a liberal group like ACORN is FOUND GUILTY of voter fraud, the conservatards start hooting and howling about it".

You answered your own concern. FOUND GUILTY

September 29, 2012 at 9:28 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, are you still on that race thing. No one thinks it was blacks but you."

I find you woefully lacking enough intelligence to discuss the real serious subjects in this forum, so I'll not be addressing you on this issue any further.

Do yourself a favor and Google "Community Reinvestment Act" and discover the facts for yourself, if you are even capable of discerning facts. You will discover that the CRA was legislation that specifically opened up the door a little wider for minority home ownership.

Anyone who blames the CRA for those mortgage defaults is by default blaming blacks. It's just that simple. I'm not suggesting that anyone who cites the CRA is a racist or is even a bigot, but the fact is that the CRA was a piece of legislation that specifically assisted the African-Americans of this nation to qualify for and obtain home mortgages.

"We read your rants and only have to believe you are the racist since you can't get past the race card."

"We?" You really ought to represent yourself whenever making such statements. I really haven't seen any evidence that you were appointed to make statements on behalf of anyone but yourself.

"You act like if you are conservative you are a racist. that isn't true and you know it , your just being nasty as usual."

I hardly see how anyone could mistake me for a conservative at the moment. Calling me a racist makes about the same amount of sense.

September 29, 2012 at 10:04 p.m.
miraweb said...

And now - a whole different voter suppression tactic in Ohio:

Marlene Hess Kocher, another leader of the Ohio project, filed 420 challenges in Hamilton County over the last month.

Kocher alleged that eight members of an African American family, the Sharps, were registered to vote at a vacant lot in Lockland, just outside Cincinnati.

"You are hereby notified that your right to vote has been challenged," letters from county elections officials told each of the Sharps.

"Does this look like a vacant lot?" Teresa Sharp, 53, asked one recent afternoon as she and a friend sat on canvas chairs outside the four-bedroom house where the family has lived since the 1980s.

"People went through a lot just to have women allowed to vote, and then to have black people allowed to vote. So when they sent me that letter, I'm like, OK, they must know I'm black. And on top of that, my whole family — which really made me angry."

Sharp confronted Kocher at an elections board hearing.

Kocher, who displays signs on her front lawn for the Cincinnati Tea Party and Republican congressional candidates, told the board she mistakenly relied on "vacant lot misinformation" that she found on the county auditor's website. She apologized to Sharp.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-ohio-voting-fight-20120927,0,811761.story?page=2

September 29, 2012 at 10:17 p.m.
TOES02800 said...

Alpo says: "....but the fact is that the CRA was a piece of legislation that specifically assisted the African-Americans of this nation to qualify for and obtain home mortgages".

That makes the CRA a racist "piece of legislation" from the outset because it specifically singled out a race to "qualify and obtain home mortgages". Unless you can prove that every single African-American was discriminated against before the CRA, you have no argument. Can you honestly say that no African-American ever received a mortgage on a home before the CRA was passed?

September 29, 2012 at 10:18 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1 wrote: "Al here is your proof that the Obama Admin knew this was a terror attack 24 hours after it happened."

Sir, you really need to learn what the word "PROOF" means.

Number one, your article is three days old. It cites not one name of any person willing to go on record confirming the allegation that the White House was informed to any intelligence that the attack in Libya was planned and that it was committed by terrorists.

Fox News on the other hand, posted just this morning the name of the top man in intelligence who absolutely and categorically stated what the White House was told about the attacks. He informed them that early intelligence indicated that the attacks were spontaneous in nature and that there was no evidence AT THAT TIME, that the attacks were committed by terrorists.

You apparently will not go read the article, so I'll quote the relevant points here.

"The office of the United States' top intelligence official appeared to take the blame Friday for the Obama administration's changing narrative on the U.S. Consulate attack in Libya, saying administration officials who initially claimed the attack was spontaneous did so based on intelligence officials' guidance."

"The statement by Shawn Turner, spokesman for Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, was put out late Friday -- at the close of a tumultuous week for the Obama administration over the Libya attack."

"Turner's statement marked a complete reversal from the initial claims."

"In the immediate aftermath, there was information that led us to assess that the attack began spontaneously following protests earlier that day at our embassy in Cairo," he said. "We provided that initial assessment to Executive Branch officials and members of Congress, who used that information to discuss the attack publicly and provide updates as they became available. Throughout our investigation we continued to emphasize that information gathered was preliminary and evolving."

Where is the proof that all this vast intelligence made it's way up the PROPER channels? Fox News had the decency to name the person at the top who absolutely claims to have given the White House the early erroneous information that was released publicly.

"It's unclear, then, why the intelligence community told Executive Branch officials it was spontaneous."

There....RIGHT THERE. READ THE ABOVE. The intelligence community told Executive Branch Officals that the attack was spontaneous.

Is it the fault of the President that someone didn't do their job in Libya, or again that nothing was communicated by even the Ambassador himself that could have prevented the attack?

Read the entire article:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/28/no-threat-assessment-in-benghazi-prior-to-ambassador-arrival-source-says/#ixzz27uqALJqP

September 29, 2012 at 10:52 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, ingnorance can be cured with knowledge, stupidity is terminal. Stop being stupid Al and try to educate yourself."

What do you think either of those articles prove? One was written by a Forbes blogger. The other, by a Wall Street defender.

Have any of these people been convicted of a crime? Were the two lawsuits concluded with so much as one Fannie or Freddie executive, current or former, found to be guilty?

The lawsuit against Franklin Raines was dismissed a week ago today, on September 22, 2012.

The SEC lawsuit against the others is up for a dismissal hearing in the coming weeks.

Your articles are two old and outdated pieces of evidence. Charges Sir, filed in court are not evidence of wrongdoing. They are merely accusations.

Wall Street is most definitely looking for someone...anyone to blame for what happened. Fannie and Freddie most certainly did dump a great deal of those tainted mortgages on Wall Street as legitimate investments.

The question on the table is, "Did F&F know that they were knee deep in tainted mortgages? One court has said, "NO."

I again remind you that sub-prime loans were 20% of the all mortgages written at that time it all started going south. Only 6% of those sub-primes were in default.

Sub-prime mortgages in default were 1.2% of all the mortgages in existence at that time. There is no one on the face of the earth who can demonstrate how 1.2% of the mortgage market caused the financial collapse of this nation.

Since the beginning of the mortgage meltdown, sub-prime defaults have risen to top out at 20%, or 4% of all mortgages in existence.

Again, can anyone seriously demonstrate how it is that sub-prime mortgages are responsible for all of this mess?

Credit card defaults have risen as high as 12% over the years, and not one financial institution went bankrupt as a result of a 12% default rate.

The total amount outstanding in mortgages in this nation, that existed at the time the bubble burst, was $12.6 trillion. Four years later, the total amount in sub-prime mortgage defaults is around $1.2 trillion. That's less than ten percent.

Is that a high amount? You bet it is. Is that amount high enough to cause the collapse of our financial system and the stock markets? Hardly.

Traditional loans were the majority of those that went into default. Blaming the CRA is totally baseless and it always will be.

Blaming Freddie and Fannie, who were directed by the Government to gobble up whatever the banks submitted to them to buy in good faith that ledning standards were followed, is doing nothing but using F&F as scapegoats for what really led to this mess.

September 29, 2012 at 11:44 p.m.
alprova said...

ricardo wrote: "When a liberal group like ACORN is found guilty of voter fraud, the conservatards start hooting and howling about it."

Nothing that ACORN has ever done begins to rival what that Arizona operative has done.

Miraweb, I for one, thank you very much for each and every post you have offered today. The lid has been barely blown off of this one. It proves that the Republicans have been trying to fix our elections for years.

And the funny thing about it all, if any humor can be found in this pathetic and fraudulent attempt to elect Republican candidates is that not one photographic identification issued anywhere in the nation would have prevented it.

"What a bunch of hypocrites."

The silence is deafening, isn't it? Every single one of the Republican cheerleaders have been looking away from their computer monitors and whistling Dixie.

September 29, 2012 at 11:57 p.m.
dude_abides said...

lol! caddy opened up a can of La Mancha dumbass and tu_quoquixotic showed up with her ever present dirty Sancho.

Except miraweb chopped 'em up like a windmill.

Now, that's just good clean fun, right there. Good clean all American howdy doody apple pan dowdy red white and blue faith based electra glide amber waves of grain Bob Brandy seventh inning stretch fun.

September 30, 2012 at 12:11 a.m.
fairmon said...

miraweb said...

Obama is a known quantity. you know who the guy is.

That is your opinion but many say something entirely different due to the lack of background information accessible.

and miraweb said

The GOP has traditionally steered $5 - $10 million in funding to Mr. Sproul per election cycle. He is hardly a fringe player or an unknown quantity.

Is it not true the RNC canceled all business with him once the allegations about him were made? Is the RNC telling a lie and still doing business with Sproul?

miraweb also said...

If Romney invested $70,000 in a company without doing due diligence, he would be a bad businessman.

He may or may not be a good business man but this is not an indicator. Did he personally buy the services which is very different than investing in a business? When you hire someone to do a repair job for you, IE. to fix your car, do you consider that an investment in their business making you a stock holder? Solyndra was an investment of $500,000 by one of Obama's cabinet members, the head of the DOE, but some blame Obama for investing in a business that went bankrupt although he didn't personally do it.

miraweb said... The alternative is Romney knew all about Sproul, but really needed a few more signatures to get on the primary ballot and took the "easy" way out - even if Sproul was a potential risk to his campaign.

This sounds like a personal opinion of yours or some journalist.

miraweb summed it up with.... Either view speaks to Romney's character, which is still a remarkably unknown quantity at this late date.

Another quote from a Romney bashing article. Your Romney criticism and personal view is not endearing Obama to the undecided voter. It is not difficult to ascertain his character, what is needed is the confirmation that either candidate can manage a business as large as the federal government, the largest business in the world or throughout history, with employment in the millions. It is pretty evident that Obama cannot but it is not evident that Romney can do any better.

Miraweb...why not just say you are an ardent Obama supporter and state the reasons why which would be a more effective tactic for influencing potential voters to vote for him.

September 30, 2012 at 12:17 a.m.
alprova said...

TOES02800 wrote: "That makes the CRA a racist "piece of legislation" from the outset because it specifically singled out a race to "qualify and obtain home mortgages"."

Only in your convoluted mind could a piece of legislation intended to give minorities a helping hand, be remotely considered to be "racist."

Do you even know how to define the word?

A racist is a person who holds the inherant belief that a singular race of people is intellectually or physically superior to those of all other races.

Would you care to explain how it is that the CRA is "racist?"

"Unless you can prove that every single African-American was discriminated against before the CRA, you have no argument."

Clearly, you are a moron of the highest order. You seem to be totally oblivious of what it was, and still is for many people, to be black in this nation and to be denied what white people take for granted each and every day.

And like Forrest Gump, that's all I have to state about that.

"Can you honestly say that no African-American ever received a mortgage on a home before the CRA was passed?"

I see, so your pathetic argument is along the lines of, let's say...if any African-American, anywhere in this nation, has ever been granted a mortgage before the CRA, there has never been any such thing as discrimination by lending institutions to those of color?

You can't be serious. But then again, your history of bigoted comments in this very forum, betrays your true intention in even offering your question.

You just remember one thing. One day, you will have to answer to God for all that you are and all that you do, and there will be no attorney there to argue on your behalf.

You're going to be standing there all by your lonesome. Who knows? God may resemble one of your fellow human beings with ebony skin.

Good luck!!

September 30, 2012 at 12:20 a.m.
alprova said...

I missed this earlier today...

Harp3339 wrote: "Alprova without research it is evident he doesn't but not as evident he shouldn't."

That is a valid statement. Do you remember why GWB took possession of the ball and fully endorsed the creation of Homeland Security?

The intelligence gathering agencies back then purposely refused to communicate with each other. I'm not sure that all has been rectified since then. Clearly, it appears that someone, or a bunch of someone's were in a position to communicate that there were rumors of a planned attack in Libya, but they failed to do their job.

In the coming weeks or months, all will be revealed.

"I think he may have selected the CIA leader and other heads of security departments?"

Yes.

"Apparently they are monkeying around with him since he did make some of them rather unhappy so why not get in their a$$ and get something right."

Patience my friend. You can bet that heads will eventually roll on this one, but the investigation must be completed first.

"Again, our wonderful congress got involved more in intelligence in recent years and the intelligence community has not been as effective since."

This one is a case in point.

September 30, 2012 at 12:43 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Harp3339 said in regard to a “business” budgeting for war and defense: “Such events and others you ask about would affect all businesses the same so they would increase the cost of their products (taxes) accordingly and reduce the cost of doing business (spending) to no less than the break even point.”

Well, Harp3339, is it safe to assume you and I might agree that a CEO who simultaneously promotes war activites and tax cuts doesn’t have much in the way of “business” sense?

Harp3339 said:“The advantage of government is the stake holders cannot sell their shares like stock holders can.”

Advantage? I can’t say that I follow your reasoning here, Harp3339. It can hardly be considered an advantage if either a business or a government hires a destructive CEO like the one we’ve just described – the one who doesn’t have much business sense in matters of war and taxes. Indeed, it seems to me that his/her thinking and irresponsible policies can only lead to bankruptcy, which means any business or a government would cease to exist.

Harp3339 said:“Most long term successful business have enough cash or cash flow to handle one time events such as a weather disaster.”

Only if the long-term budget and business plan of the CEO has taken steps to assure that there is enough cash flow to effectively deal with crisis situations like weather disasters and disease epidemics. The same would apply in day to day non-crisis matters such as proper maintenance of roads, highways, bridges, and communication networks.

Harp3339 questions: “The right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness a guarantee?”

Somehow I knew you would have difficulty understanding my reference to the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. . . . It is the words “pursuit of happiness” that unsettles you, isn’t it, Harp3339. . . (Grin) . . . Anyway, I was referring to the “business expenses” that come hand in hand with the Fifth Amendment and Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - the section that declares that a government cannot deprive any person of "life, liberty, or property" without due process of law.

September 30, 2012 at 1:19 p.m.
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