published Friday, April 5th, 2013

5-at-10: Friday mailbag on homers, favorite cars, best 80s songs and spring football

Gang, excellent week of questions. Simply outstanding. We got a slew from some of our regulars and a few emails from some newcomers. It's a nice mix.

We're going to get going because we get it that you have a lot going on. As always feel free to chime in with your answers to any or all of the following.

From the "Talks too much" studios, let's kick the tires and light the fires big daddy (and gang, any time you can start a mailbag off with a cheesy quote from "Independence Day" well, we're all better off)...

sportsfan said...

Jay

I realize it's last minute but if you have time for the mailbag...if you had an unlimited budget and Mrs Fiver had no veto power, what's your Rushmore of cars you'd like to park in your driveway? Put me down for Magnum's Ferrari, a Mini Cooper, a 1956 Vette (ragtop), and the Batmobile (just for fun).

sportsfan,

First off congrats on the promotion. We'll miss your commentary around here during the daytime hours but man's gotta do what a man's gotta do. Congrats.

OK, let's break this down into three categories. Since you combined your list with real life cars, TV cars and movie cars, we'll do a Rushmore of each. Hey, you were to the point; we talk too much. That may explain why you got promoted. Alas.

And this question is a great Rushmore question because the first three kind of jump out there and the fourth one is debated and bounced back and forth. Nice work. Give yourself a promotion.

Real cars: 1966 Mustang convertible; mid-1980s full-sized Bronco (one of the ones that the back part of the top comes off); a tricked-out Ricky Ross is the Boss Escalade because that's how we roll; and why mess around, let's take the Hennessey Venom GT that has reached speeds in the upper 260s and has a sticker price around $1.4 million (which the Mrs. 5-at-10 would surely veto, and her name's not Shirley).

TV cars: The TV Batmobile; the four-door Lincoln convertible at the from the beginning of Entourage; KITT from Knightrider because, well it's KITT for crying out loud; the convertible T-Bird from the old Vegas.

Movie cars: Ferris Bueller's Ferrari he steals from Cameron's dad's garage; Dr. Brown and Marty McFly's DeLorean from Back to the Future; The 1958 Plymouth Fury that was Christine; and the Ford Shelby in Gone in 60 seconds (or we'd gladly take four James Bond cars and call it a day).

This question was tougher than we thought.

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From Tide Man

You are an Auburn homer. You know Chzik and the rest of the whole Auburn mess cheated there (deleted) off. Cam, Trooper, now the stories keep coming.

That's the only way you guys can win a national championship.

If you don't admit it that just proves you are a homer.

Roll Tide.

Tide Man,

Thanks for the email and for reading the 5-at-10. Feel free to swing by anytime, as Bluto says, "Don't cost nothing."

And thanks for the extra "Roll Tide" at the end... not sure we would have known who your team was without it.

As for our college education, well, yes, you figured it out. You have connected the dots — or read my bio on this very page — and deduced that we graduated from Auburn. Well-played indeed.

As for being a homer, well, that's an easy term to toss around when you don't like what someone else has to say. In fact, one of the main causes of the struggles of our nation is that we no longer have discourse or discussion about points with opposite views. We are super-quick to say so-and-so is biased or is a homer or is a right-wing nut or a liberal bleeding heart.

We don't debate the points, we dismiss the message because of perceived flaws or shortcomings of the messenger.

TIde Man didn't like what we wrote about the story by Selena Roberts on Auburn's alleged misdeeds during the 2010 title season. Rather than debate those points we made — which, when summarized, were the allegations were serious, the only Auburn source that has not backed off the quotes Roberts used is about to go on trial for a Class A felony, and we don't know if this is true and really none of us do — you want to call us a homer.

Now, to debate the points of your email:

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    Auburn coach Gene Chizik applauds following a touchdown in an NCAA college football game.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

• Chizik was fired for going 3-9, including two of the most embarrassing losses in Auburn history to end his career on the Plains, and paid the highest buyout in college sports history to go away. If he was cheating, he was terrible at it.

• Every NCAA official and headline-loving sports writer around the country looked 12-ways-to-Sunday into the Cam Newton stuff. Nothing stuck. Period. Does that mean Auburn cheated or didn't cheat. No, not really. It means nothing stuck. O.J. was acquitted. (Side note: Here's what we think happened in the whole Cam situation, and this is completely a theory founded on next to nothing: Auburn found out that Cam's dad did some sketchy stuff. At the time Auburn's compliance guy was a former FBI agent who spent time in the NCAA compliance office too. Let's say he called the NCAA office and told them all that had happened. They ask a couple of questions about a junior-college transfer who had not been named the starting quarterback until well after spring practice and they are happy with the answers. They clear Cam's recruitment because, really, who cares about some junior college transfer who may or may not play. Well, Cam becomes CAM and the world starts paying attention. The stories come out again, but rightly or wrongly, the NCAA has already signed off on Newton's eligibility. That's our theory at least.)

• As for Trooper, well, we've met Trooper a few times and really like Trooper. The fact that he is still without a job — especially considering that during the pre-signing day time he was carrying a five-star linebacker with him — means one of two things: a) he could want to collect his buyout checks from Auburn and watch his son play his senior year of high school sports; or b) he's got some serious baggage. And c) all of the above is not out of the question.

As for your "only way you can win a national championship," well, why does 2010 bother Alabama fans so much? You guys are the Yankees of college football right now, with three of the last four titles, including the last two and will likely start 2013 preseason No. 1, yet you are worked up about Auburn's title in 2010. OK.

As for being a homer, well, you sir are entitled to your opinion, but we feel obligated to share the top complaints the goofball sports editor of the TFP gets most frequently:

1) Do you know which state Chattanooga is in? We get this when UT fans feel like we are running too many Georgia or Alabama stories.

2) Do you know that UTK is in Knoxville and UTC is in Chattanooga and Knoxville has its own paper? we get this from UTC fans who want more Mocs and less Vols.

3) Why do you love Baylor? Which is followed closely by, why do you hate Baylor? You could also trade out "private schools" for Baylor in both those questions. When we get these close to a 1-to-1 ratio, then we know we're somewhere on the right course.

4) Why do you hate Auburn? Seriously, that question is this high because there are more than a few AU fans in Chattanooga, but no where near the collection of UT, UGA or Alabama fans in our coverage area. Although we have not heard this one much lately because of the total stink-ness that has been AU athletics for the last few months.

To review, if we were a homer, you would be reading a bunch of public school stories from near Atlanta and Auburn sports stories. Yes, the first two complaints may still be 1 and 2, but this was about being a homer and had nothing to do with geography.

So it goes, and again, thanks for reading.

(Side note: We went way too long on those first two, so we are going to pick up the pace. Deal? Deal.)

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From Grateful Dawg

I don't know if this qualifies as a question or more of a hypothetical ponder, but here it goes: Could the 2013 Georgia Defense be an improvement over the 2012 squad?

GD —

Great question. And this likely could be the case despite the UGA defense losing as many as eight guys in the NFL draft, and as many as four defensive guys in the first two rounds.

We like the young talent Georgia has on that side of the ball. The guys you mentioned — Drew, Bailey, Swann — are stud ducks. Herrera is going to be excellent and the reports on Tray Matthews are eye-popping.

Something else that will help, not relying on stars but on the unit as a whole. That's a good thing.

Something else that will help, part two, the Georgia offense is going to be crazy good so opposing teams are going to feel the pressure of having to keep up or get trucked.

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From Stewwie

Stopping LeBron looks near-impossible these days. So what's the best way to play against him and the Heat to give yourself the best shot at beating them? Play man-to-man straight up and take your chances? Or send a double every time or at certain times...and who do you double with--post or guard? (Hello Shulman Fire defense? Haha...j/k.) Or try a zone of some kind?

Captain Stew-being,

Stopping LeBron is nearly impossible when he is motivated to score because he can get to the rim at any point. The only way to stop LeBron is to force him to consistently shoot 3s and hope the referees are not going to call the foul when he drives to the basket. (We maintain that if LeBron James got the friendly whistles MJ got, James would be averaging 34 points per game.)

The approach to stop LeBron and top the Heat is a long shot at best. They are that good right now, and the streak ending so those guys could rest down the stretch may be the best thing for their title hopes.

The Bulls did a great job last week of making them work on every possession at each end. In truth the best way to beat the Heat may be by letting LeBron get 50. Miami is at its best when LeBron is the most physically intimidating point guard in NBA history. If he becomes a MJ-type score-first, -last and -always, the Heat are not as effective. Let LeBron get as many as he can working as hard as he can against your best defender. Don't give Battier or Allen or Chalmers or Wade open 3s by helping on James' drives.

Like we said, it's a long shot.

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From A Reader,

Dude, you asked for our best 80s songs, but you never offered yours. What's the deal? Ashamed maybe? Come on Eileen?

Seriously, thanks for the 5-at-10. Good stuff.

A Reader,

Fair point. In Rushmore form, when we think 80s songs the four that pop into our head first are "Every Rose has its Thorns," "Home Sweet Home," "Boyz n the Hood" by Eazy E and "Total Eclipse of the Heart" by Bonnie Tyler. So yes, maybe we were embarrassed a little. Naw, we don't get embarrassed which is both a blessing and a curse.

Thanks for reading and feel free to swing by any time — "Don't cost nothing."

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From McPell

Late getting back...work is again getting the way of a personal life. Good question on a female cracking top 100, that will require many co-colers.

Are you going to have a draft contest? Rumor has it the 5/10 loves a draft.

McPell,

He's referring to the question we asked about Brittney Griner's NBA discussion about is there a sport out there that the world's best female would crack the top 100 in the men's rankings? Feel free to discuss. We offered bowling or maybe curling. Hard to know.

As for the draft contest... Of course. We love the draft. You know this.

But before we get there, we'll have the Masters contest next week. This is one of our favorites. Submit any five golfers in the Masters field. We'll take the best four finishers and add up their place (first is 1 point; second is 2 points; 11th is 11 points; etc.) and the low score wins. We take the best four so that if you have one golfer that misses the cut, you're not out of it.

There is one caveat called the Tiger Clause. If you pick on Tiger Woods, you only get to submit four golfers rather than five.

Last year, if memory serves, Jefe and Spy had almost perfect scores.

We're pretty stoked. (As for the NCAA tournament, well, the 5-at-10 won, so we're going to buy ourselves a Masters T-shirt.)

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From Got a question

I normally agree with you on most things, but why were you defending the Rutgers coach the other day.

Dude deserved to get the ax. Imagine if the little 5@10 was on the team?

Thanks and thanks for the 5@10... it's a nice blog.

G-A-Q,

Thanks for the kind words.

We were not defending Mike Rice, the Rutgers basketball coach that got fired in the aftermath of the release of the video showing him throwing basketballs and slurs at his players.

Our point was why was he not fired in November, and what has changed since then other than the public now knowing. And if nothing's changed then the AD has to go too.

That said, we've been on enough teams and in enough locker rooms that if some one wanted to take an edited video tape of the worst outbursts of any coach, the tape would be pretty bad.

Again, Rice got what he deserved, and better late than never, we just wondered what took so long and if the AD really believed this wasn't going to get out.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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jomo11 said...

you got to admit cheating scandals are great for the sports page business ! Funny how ESPN is so damning on the Rutgers situation and yet has Bob Knight on staff ?

April 5, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Jomo —

No doubt about SEC allegations and scandal is good for BID-ness.

And we could not agree more about Knight. Here's another one: Bet Dickie V would bury the entire Rutgers mess in an avalanche of criticism, but he still calls Knight The General and Robert Montgomery Knight in revered tones.

He's Mike Rice's role model.

April 5, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

ESPN can't give Griner's NBA potential a rest, they even pushed it on ABC's 6:30 news. Time for that one to fade away.

It's not going to get any easier for Rutgers basketball, trading Syracuse and Louisville for Indiana, Ohio State and Michigan in a year or two. You know the Big 10 folks are shaking their heads at this mess.

April 5, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Had to share, and had trouble stopping at 5 each: I tried to include one not so obvious pick in each group.

Rap 1-The Message-Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five 2-Apache-The Sugar Hill Gang 3-Rebel without a Pause-Public Enemy 4-Basketball-Kurtis Blow 5-Straight Outta Compton-NWA

Hard Rock/Heavy Metal 1-Welcome to the Jungle-Guns ‘n’ Roses 2-Rock of Ages-Def Leppard 3-Cum on Feel the Noise-Quiet Riot 4-It’s So Easy-Guns ‘n’ Roses 5-Rock you like a Hurricane-Scorpions

Rock 1-In the Air Tonight-Phil Collins 2-I Love Rock n Roll-Joan Jett 3-Boys of Summer-Don Henley 4-Dancing in the Dark-Bruce Springsteen 5-Start me up-Rolling Stones

R&B/Dance 1-1999-Prince 2-Billie Jean-Michael Jackson 3-My Prerogative-Bobby Brown 4-Mountains-Prince 5-Party Train-The Gap Band

New Wave/Alternative 1-Just like Heaven-The Cure 2-Running up that Hill-Kate Bush 3-Sweet Dreams-Eurythmics 4-Whip it-Devo 5-How Soon is Now-The Smiths

April 5, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Laughter —

Great stuff.

Wow, My Prerogative... Wow. Bobby Brown was the single worst concert we've ever seen. Dude was so out of breath, JaMarcus Russell would have gone, "Dude, you're out of shape."

Kurtis Blowe "Basketball" is so money. So is LL's "I'm Bad," and that entire album — "Bigger and Deafer" — is so underrated it's painful.

April 5, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Was that the night he was arrested at a concert somewhere down in Georgia for lewdness, or am I thinkig of Luther Campbell?

April 5, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
chas9 said...

Excellent defense on the AU homer claim. I hear about an equal number of gripes that Weeds hates or loves UK. You guys have a hard row to hoe. Seems to me you hit it about right.

I have a friend who used to write a newspaper column he called "In My Humble Opinion." That's all it is. It's not like the pharaoh's pronouncements: So let it be written. So let it be done. It's just the sports page, for entertainment purposes only. At the end of the day I'm gonna wrap the thing around my stinking fish scraps and throw the whole stinking mess away.

I remember a few decades back when the ink was (IMHO) too orange tinted. You just lose credibility when the praise for the home team(s) is total all the time. But there's nothing wrong with giving more coverage to the teams whose fans make up the bulk of your readers.

And not just in sports, but all of our society needs to be able to take constructive criticism gracefully.

April 5, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Ten Ring-

I have a VERY full plate today and don't have time to play in the sandlot. I'm just writing to let you know first home game is this afternoon over on west I-30. :P DMN has more Hamilton stuff then you can shake a stick at with all the local media having opening day lovefest. Long story short, clips coming soon.

I'll read the mailbag sometime tomorrow.

April 5, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Gee 5, I thought you loved Marietta, McEachern and Walton more.

I'll reserve comment on auburn until more is revealed or unsubstantiated.

I still go with When Doves Cry and Hungry Like the Wolf and just about anything off Pyromania, throw in a little Rock You Like a Hurricane and you got you an 80s party.

Cars? Bond's Astin Martin. Batmobile. The Vette from Route 66. Cameron Fry's dad's Ferrari.

April 5, 2013 at 1:59 p.m.
Stewwie said...

Good response on the AU stuff. I feel that you are pretty fair (no bias) when it comes to coverage and your assessments on various issues. As you said, when you get accusations of bias from both sides, it's probably a good indicator that you're being fair. I was most surprised at the letter to the editor last year from an old woman who accused the TFP of "boycotting" the AU football team. And this was right around the time that Pasquali was doing the SEC football previews. Wow, just wow.

Agreed that LeBron's scoring average would be way up with the same treatment that Jordan got from the refs. Good points about defending LeBron. I think I would give him the 3 all day if he wants it. If/when he tried to post, I'd send a double to get the ball out of his hands down there. But even then, that might not work...the Thunder tried that strategy in the Finals at times and it didn't seem to be too effective.

The Celtics and Bulls have both hinted on how else you can stop the Heat. The Celtics had Avery Bradley pressure the ball full-court and it led to the Heat looking a little bit out of their element and led to rushed shots. The Bulls made sure to nail LeBron with a hard foul everytime he went to the hole. Playing physical (cleanly, no flagrants necessary) will wear LeBron down and you can tell that he does not like the contact at all.

As for ESPN, I can't remember the last time I watched a SportsCenter episode simply because I got tired a long time ago of their excessive hype-ing and over-coverage. Based on the above comments, it sounds like they will not let this Griner/NBA thing go away quickly. And that's ridiculous. I don't need SportsCenter like in the past because I am just fine with checking scores and watching my own video highlights online. And for deeper coverage, I read a newspaper (in print and/or online).

April 5, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

As a self admitted Auburn homer, I thought everything was fair. Auburn has had it share of woes the last 5 years, from the 2008 meltdown, to Mean Gene's hiring, to Cam-gate, the armed robbery & the 2 worst losses in football history in 2012. However, if (big if) UTC had players that tested for synthetic pot, before it was outlawed by the NCAA, would it be reported? I say the TFP would. Would it be sensationalized? Probably not.

Keep up the good work, and be sure and lose everyone's Master's entries, except mine.

April 5, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
Todd962 said...

My generation's mental projection of the 80's is not likely the most accurate portrayal of what was the reality back then. That is unless of course you spent most of your time wearing leg warmers, something neon, had a red Devo hat on top of your perm, and marched around singing "You can dance if you want to, you can leave your friends behind...." And that song goes on my list of one.

The Bull's "Ding the King" theory seemed to be effective. You dont see Lebron lose his cool too often, like he did attempting to truck Boozer intentionally. That being said, you would just hope he doesnt develop the "Rocky Syndrome" where you beat him around for 3/4 of the game and then he gets mad enough to unleash the beast within. "Lebron angry, Lebron smash!"

Watched the Rutger coach video at lunch, understandable firing, but it got me thinking. I experienced a few tongue lashings in my day. Dont remember any that brought my sexual preference into question, but profanity was being thrown around in copious amounts many times. I also remember being redirected by the back of my jersey a hand full of times as well. We use to run a drill in soccer practice that involved freshman being in the wall for direct kicks and not a whole lot of those balls made it past the wall....almost intentionally you might say.... So am I a victim? I dont feel like one. Are the slurs what really got him fired? Probably was a pretty big chunk. Should our coach have been fired for having his players blast balls at us instead of the himself? Why didnt I feel much remorse four years later when the kicked became the kicker? Possibility of hazing? Wussification of America? Any similar experiences? Thoughts?

April 5, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Todd962 —

Money post. MON-EE.

Similiar experiences? Uh, like a couple of dozen. Try taking grounders at third when the coach has had his fill and is hitting BBs at you. We had a legendary high school hoops coach who lost his cool more than once, even chewing us up one side and down the other in front of the entire gym full of folks after missing an alley-oop dunk in our preseason scrimmage.

And getting LeBron angry is like getting a Gremlin wet... nothing good can come from it.

And we for sure need to explore the Wussification of America more in the slower summer months. The basis of our dissertation on the subject is that the moral decline in our country started when "timeout" replaced spanking as the primary form of punishment.

Side note: You can't wear a Devo hat (or any hat for that matter) and sing "You can dance if want to," since it's the opening line of Safety Dance from........ Men Without Hats.

McPell —

The Spice article ESPN wrote about Auburn was fair and less than good. (Would likely have mentioned that several schools are wrestling with this problem. Isn't Spice what got the Honey Badger at LSU?)

Spy —

When Doves Cry is money. And you were right in your earlier post that if you even hint that you don't sing along with that one you're lying.

Heard another great, crank it up and shout along on the way to the TFP office this morning — Turn the Page by Bob Seger.

9er —

Amen on the constructive criticism. We can all be better, and one way to start is by listening to ways you can be better.

— 5-at-10

April 5, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Jay, thanks for fielding the question about the Georgia D and reminiscent of "The Andy Griffith Show", tell Paschall we said hey. I just finished reading David's article about Garrison Smith and admittedly with so much focus on the new guys coming on, I kind of forgot about Smith. I'm feeling good about this defense. Perhaps a little too good. Years of listening to Larry Munson on the radio will leave a fella cautious about the very concept of optimism.

So...The TFP Sports Department is occupied by a bunch of guys wearing plastic eagles on their heads who yell "war eagle" and "punt, Bama, punt" at anyone who happens to walk by and spend the rest of their time throwing toilet paper in trees? I'm surprised any work gets done over there. I'm a little nervous that you guys might have a hose connected to a spigot that you use to hose down any Georgia fans that enter the area.

A fellow Bulldog and longtime friend of mine is absolutely convinced that every sportscaster in America hates UGA. For instance, he thinks Vern and Gary on CBS have it out for us. Oddly enough, another friend of mine (a Tennessee fan) has told me that Vern and Gary might as well be cheerleaders for The Dawgs as their pro-UGA bias is evident to him. Perception and reality have a strange relationship.

April 5, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
jgreeson said...

GD —

Here is the college breakdown for the TFP staff:

1 UT, 2 Auburn, 1 Indiana, 6 UTC, 1 Centre College, 1 Ole Miss, 1 Carson Newman.

And yes, perception and reality do have an intricate and difficult relationship. Like high school seniors who are dating yet bound for different colleges — they want to stay in touch but most of the time they never do.

War Fire Hose.

P.S. — I can remember listening to Munson scream, "Look at the Sugar falling out of the sky."

April 5, 2013 at 3:43 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

The day Munson saw Sugar falling out of the sky was a good day. "The Dawgs broke it up, they broke it up!" An edition of "The Deep South's Oldest Rivalry" that Larry did not enjoy was the 1993 game in Athens. With Auburn undefeated but unable to play on television, Plainsmen were coming to Athens in droves all week. One of them parked an RV in Larry's parking spot. Man, Larry was cranky in the pre-game show that day. "If you're looking for an RV in the state of Alabama today, forget it! They're all over here!" Larry had a driver that took him to the stadium and a golf cart waiting on him at the gate so it's not like he had to hike in from Watkinsville. It didn't matter. Old stubborn guys hate having their routine altered in any fashion.

April 5, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, unfortunately, Turn the Page has been played to death on so many radio stations, I can't listen to it anymore. Kinda like Piano Man and American Pie.

But if somebody's got some Midnight Starr ... There's No Parking on the Dance Floor!

April 5, 2013 at 4:28 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Many people's perception is skewed by the color of the Kool-Aid they choose to drink. The Vern and Gary theory is funny stuff. But remember, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that they aren't out to get you...

Are we allowed to talk about "the spice" or "fanj" on a FOIB column?

April 5, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Freakazoid was my #6 in R&B.

April 5, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

"War fire hose" - HA! I missed that game because I ran out of classes to take & had to graduate 6 months before that. I wanted one more football season.

Nice calls on the music by all.

April 5, 2013 at 5:23 p.m.
fechancellor said...

Oh, Ten Ring, I hope your Masters picks are better than your 80s music Rushmore.

Rick James, specifically "Super Freak." Whitney Houston, (Pick Any Chart Topper) Chaka Kahn, specifically "I Feel For You" Madonna, specifically "Crazy For You"

To answer your inquiry yesterday, "Crazy for You" is the last Madanna track any self respecting male should be caught listening to.

April 5, 2013 at 6 p.m.
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