published Thursday, April 11th, 2013

An Armed Society

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Salsa said...

Don't stand in front of Joe Biden's door then. He recommends shooting through them with a shotgun

April 11, 2013 at 12:05 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

So why would this person be shot, and why would he need that button? Has he wandered into the wrong part of Chattanooga?

April 11, 2013 at 12:31 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Gun owners all belong to a well ordered militia, don't they?

April 11, 2013 at 12:33 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

I used to buy gas in Kennesaw, where guns are mandatory. Manners were OK as I recall. Liberals have nothing to fear but their own dreamy fears, eh?

April 11, 2013 at 1:18 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

DREAMY FEARS INDEED

Andy muttered, "Liberals have nothing to fear but their own dreamy fears, eh?"

Pointy-headed tea baggers like Andy have the misbegotten notion than people are shot in America for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Laughing boy echoed that people are shot for being in the wrong part of town.

Were the students at Virginia Tech in the wrong place at the wrong time? No, they were in class. Were the people in Aurora, Colorado in the wrong place at the wrong time? No, they were at the movies. How about the first graders at Sandy Hook? Wrong place, wrong time? Well, some were slaughtered cowering in the back of their classroom, but no, they were in school.

Are you people kidding me?

Are you that criminally stupid that you have a psychotic need to find rationalizations for the 12,000 thousand Americans shot to death each and every year? Or, as Wall Street would put it, another 9/11 each and every quarter?

Sure, some bad people shoot other bad people, but the only requirement needed to get shot in this country is to live in this country.

One of the NRA mantras is this: guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Fine. Have it your way. People kill people. So we are all agreed that we must check the criminal and psychological backgrounds of people buying guns?

April 11, 2013 at 2:11 a.m.
jesse said...

M.A.D. works on the personal level just fine till you throw a maniac into the mix!

Nations want nukes for the same reason regular folks want guns!

If you can't see the parrells then you just ain't lookin!

Maybe the answer isn't concealed carry BUT open carry!Strap it on so everybody know s every body else is packin!

But when Ringo or un come to town all that goes out the window!

I do believe that the genie is out of the bottle ther is NO solution! Guns gonna be around forever!!

BTW:Blackwater ,your choice for an avater sends a message that might not be what you intended!! Then again maybe it does??

April 11, 2013 at 3:46 a.m.
anoldretmsgt said...

Andrew that's a long way to go to buy gas. When Jesus comes back, what will he carry ?? A M-16, AK-47, Glock 9mm, why not a RPG ?? It's Been said Jesus was a carpenter by trade, if so he would have joined the Mediterranean Carpenters Union ! Just sayin'.

April 11, 2013 at 4:55 a.m.
jesse said...

Arnoldretmsgt. just demonstrated that Andrew ain't the only squirrel on here!!

Must be ret.air force!

April 11, 2013 at 5:01 a.m.
hambone said...

Funny how everytime the Tennessee Legislature passes a bill it adds to the number of places one can get shot!

April 11, 2013 at 5:46 a.m.
alprova said...

Jesse wrote: "Maybe the answer isn't concealed carry BUT open carry!Strap it on so everybody know s every body else is packin!"

All that will accomplish is to make it easier for someone to deprive you of your gun, if they want it.

If someone steps out of the shadows with one aimed at you, are you under some illusion that you will have time to draw yours in time to prevent being shot or having it taken from your dying or dead body?

Some of you people think that by arming yourselves, that all danger is removed. Armed officers are shot just about every day across this land somewhere. Some never have the opportunity to draw their service weapon in 20 years.

It's a crap shoot, no matter where you are, who you are, even if you are carrying a gun on your hip.

April 11, 2013 at 6:40 a.m.
dude_abides said...

Looks like a Scott Desjarlais "note to self" moment.

April 11, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.

Dear MAD Magazine,

Please hire Clay back. Your readership must miss him very much.

Signed,

Everyone over 14 years old.


Neither gun restrictions nor gun proliferation will solve ANY of our country's crime problems. They are simply Bandaids on mortar wounds, each approach with its own damaging side-effects. What a colossal distraction. The fact that either of these is advocated as a hill to die on is a very sad commentary on our society.

Let the demagoguery proceed apace. Sigh.

April 11, 2013 at 7:56 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

You would think that if Bennett was to do another repeat of a repeated repeat that he would do so because he had an even better idea for a great cartoon that made it worth the redundancy.

Nope, not with this guy. His president says he should be worried about guns today so he is going to trot out another gun cartoon no matter how pathetic it is.

April 11, 2013 at 8:17 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

...Or maybe someone told him to get that incredibly distasteful Margaret Thatcher cartoon down so he had to fish one out of the garbage pail to put up last night.

At least we don't have to look at that other piece of dog squeeze for another day.

April 11, 2013 at 8:23 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

An armed society makes criminals wonder if the victim will fight back. A disarmed society (Tooney's dream) is a sitting duck for those illegally armed. I'll keep my guns and defend myself since King Kenyan won't fund enough police to protect us ... thank you.

April 11, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

“The duty of a patriot is to protect his country from its government.”

― Thomas Paine

April 11, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I'll keep my guns and defend myself since King Kenyan won't fund enough police to protect us

First it is "Obama spends too much" now this. You guys need to make up your minds.

April 11, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

"King Kenyan won't fund enough police to protect us"

I have ZERO interest in having federal law enforcement "protect" us. I think the States should be kicking the DHS, ATF, IRS, FDA, FBI, DEA, INS... O.U.T. Federal agencies are becoming so well armed it is like having a standing federal army in our midsts.

Our founding fathers would be appalled that we have allowed this to happen to our selves.

April 11, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
librul said...

America: Land of the freaks and home of the knaves.

April 11, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

The figure in the cartoon isn't a good representation for the 12,000 killed each year in gun violence.

Yes, you can be robbed, shot, and killed by wandering into the wrong part of Chattanooga.

April 11, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Yea all these guns make us safer,even more so the wanna be hero's with a CCL. Even more so the fools from GA where not one shot need be fired to qualify with hnadgun, nor one class attended to know gun laws. Or from FL where 10rds fired, NO Background check needed as CCL handled by Dept of AG. Let's not even discuss nr of other states with same or worse CCL rules. Then we have local idiots shooting at deer ih WM or blazing away in WM lot at guy stealing his truck, which is NOT a crime punishable by death. Sorry but CCL types as or more scary the bad guys with guns. Simply amusing after my years of handgun background to see such fools packing and pumped up like a wanna be heros;

April 11, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
conservative said...

From a Liberal perspective this cartoon makes some sense. It is a natural progression. From Gun Free Zone signs at schools, malls, theaters etc. and now just a sign in the form of a pin worn by a slobbering Liberal pleading for mercy from another Liberal not to shoot or harm him.

Maybe his next cartoon will suggest Gun Free Zone signs to be plastered all over downtown Chattanooga.

April 11, 2013 at 10:38 a.m.
caddy said...

The question should be asked: Does this man ( a law abiding citizen ) have the right to protect himself against this guy:

http://www.gocomics.com/mike-lester/2013/04/06

April 11, 2013 at 10:39 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Great cartoon, Clay Bennett. The bottomline is we need some sane representatives. The paranoid insurrectionists - along with their fantasies - have to go. I’m sure we can figure out some place to put them once we get them out the door.

April 11, 2013 at 10:48 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

An armed society is a FEARFUL and DANGEROUS society. It's funny to see all the comments from the gun nuts yapping about how much safer and better off we'd be if more people packed heat in public. They have obviously not given much thought to the consequences of a fully armed society. They picture in their minds only the glowing instances where they could be the hero, shooting down some gun-wielding criminal or psycho, but they don't seem to have it in their capacity to picture all the infinite possibilities of things that could and most likely would go wrong.

With a gun at the ready, how much easier it would be for someone to give in to the itch to use it the first time they were insulted or confronted with rudeness from someone. Think about how easily road rage takes hold of even the most rational and calm-headed among us. With a gun at our side it would be an open invitation to fire at someone instead of just yelling at them to appease our anger. Any manner of heated exchanges with someone that usually amounts to nothing more than a shouting match and bruised egos would easily give way to someone drawing a gun.

Moreover, most sane people are repulsed by the very sight of a gun and view if for what it is - an insidious weapon made for killing. True politeness and civility come from a society comprised of individuals who are polite because they know what true civility is. It is not forced upon us by the sight of a gun. If you gun nuts love your guns so much and practically orgasm at the mere sight of one, well, keep your sick fetish to yourselves and don't inflict us with your twisted notion that "an armed society is a polite society." What a load of crap.

April 11, 2013 at 12:04 p.m.
lightkeeper said...

Just because you spent money for a right to carry a concealed weapon doesn not make you a sane person, Is just a piece of paper. You conservative gun nuts are so out of touch with reality its scary. Businesses that allow weapons in their establishments are beginning to be shuned because many people don't feel comfortable knowing the person next to them might packing. The way its going we'll have guns stacked to the moon, where's the sanity in that? More guns does not make a safer society, just a more paranoid dangerous one. It has nothing to do with second amendment rights, thats just an excuse for you lunatics.

April 11, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.

Un-sensational sanity. You can’t hold a press conference to enact it. Imagine.

“When the really hard stuff happens, when we witness the true face of evil, Americans have a predictable habit. Even as cameras feed the latest bubble-shattering violence into our family rooms, we start looking for someone or something -- anything -- other than the actual perpetrators to stone. We panic for a scapegoat.

“We hunt tirelessly for the person (a parent, an educator, a cop) who didn't catch the warning signs, who failed to read a memo -- anyone on whose shoulders we can cast our collective fear -- then rush as many measures into place as possible, no matter the cost in treasure or freedoms, to regain an illusion of safety and impenetrability …

“More than a renewed defense or denial of reasonable gun rights, more than a fear-driven fury to implement more measures that daily lessen our freedoms and sow further seeds of distrust in our hearts, more than building higher walls against our neighbors, and, yes, instead of venerating molten objects designed solely to deal out human death, we need a great deal more of the prophetic and sacramental wisdom … “

“In Guns We Trust” by Rev. Kenneth Tanner (Huffington Post, 04/10/2013) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rev-kenneth-tanner/in-guns-we-trust_b_3054655.html

Yeah. What that guy said.

April 11, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

lightkeeper said... "Just because you spent money for a right to carry a concealed weapon doesn not make you a sane person, Is just a piece of paper."

Just a piece of paper, yeah, right.

A concealed carry permit holder has no felony convictions (lifetime), has had no class A or B misdemeanours within the past 5 years, passed both State and Federal fingerprint and background checks, has no delinquent conduct for the last 10 years and is not delinquent in child support, student loans or state and local taxes.

A big smile comes across my face every time I realise I am standing next to another concealed carry permit holder.

April 11, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
patriot1 said...

What's a CCL?.....I have a HCP.

April 11, 2013 at 1:01 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Rickadoo says...."true politeness and civility comes from a society comprised of individuals who are polite because they know what true civility is..."

Yeah, yeah...we witnessed all that coming from the left in Bennett's last toon.

April 11, 2013 at 1:17 p.m.
nowfedup said...

&Yep big ridge and if CCL is from GA they need never have fired a gun, attended a class on gun laws (note not all crimes are punishable by death sentance or shootings) and if from FL did not have background check as handled by FL Dept of AG. Some other states about same, ID even issues them via mail "with proper paper work" to out of state gunnies. Yep bet you are "proud to be standing next to some fools that fired zero or less then 10 rds to be "well qualified" in both gun and no classes as to laws, and if FL or other places no background checks. Guess all can then judge your gun knowledge and actions by the company you so want to keep, puffed up prairie chickens with dangerous limited gun background, but Um a packing su um real manly man? Notice you darling lil ole gun packers always dodge the reality of the CCL farce

April 11, 2013 at 1:24 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nowfedup said... "they need never have fired a gun, attended a class on gun laws (note not all crimes are punishable by death sentance or shootings) and if from FL did not have background check as handled by FL Dept of AG. Some other states about same, ID even issues them via mail "with proper paper work" to out of state gunnies. Yep bet you are "proud to be standing next to some fools that fired zero or less then 10 rds to be "well qualified" in both gun and no classes as to laws, and if FL or other places no background checks. "

How many people do you personally know that fit your colourful little picture you are trying to paint? I know quite a few permit holders and NONE of them fit the wild image that is rattling around in your head!

April 11, 2013 at 1:57 p.m.
nowfedup said...

Well ridgy look up the laws, but sine you said "proud to be around them" well birds of a feather etc. You are amusing in your dodge ball game, but reality is not part of your world is it?

April 11, 2013 at 2:07 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

nowfedup, it looks like you are full of it...

To obtain a Georgia Weapons Carry License you must first be a resident of Georgia or on active duty on a base in Georgia. You also cannot fail any of the reasons why a license will be denied. Georgia Code 16-11-129 No License shall be granted to:

Any person who is prohibited from possessing or shipping a firearm in interstate commerce pursuant to subsections (g) and (n) of 18 U.S.C. Section 922; Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year; Is a fugitive from justice; Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance; Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to a mental institution; Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa; Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions; Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced his or her citizenship; Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner; or Has been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence cannot lawfully receive, possess, ship, or transport a firearm. Is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year . Any person under 21 years of age; Any person who has been convicted of a felony (unless pardoned); Any person against whom proceedings are pending for any felony; Any person who is a fugitive from justice; Any person who has been convicted of an offense arising out of the unlawful manufacture or distribution of a controlled substance or other dangerous drug; Any person who has had his or her weapons carry license revoked; Any person who was convicted of violation of Code Sections: 16-11-102 (pointing a gun at someone), 16-11-126 (carrying a weapon without a license), 16-11-127 (carrying a weapon or long gun in an unauthorized location), and has not been free of all restraints and supervision for 5 years from the date of application; Any person who has been convicted of any misdemeanor involving the use or possession of a controlled substance and has not been free of all restraint or supervision in connection therewith or free of: (i) A second conviction of any misdemeanor involving the use or possession of a controlled substance; or (ii) Any conviction for unlawful manufacture or distribution of a controlled substance or other dangerous drug, or for a conviction which prohibits possession of firearms in insterstate commerce, or a revokation of carry license, for at least five years immediately preceding the date of the application; Any individual who has been hospitalized as an inpatient in any mental hospital or alcohol or drug treatment center within five years of the date of his or her application...

http://www.georgiapacking.org/gflbg.php

April 11, 2013 at 2:13 p.m.
nowfedup said...

Well ridgy I thought about it and since you would other wise spend time calling nra for talking point, thought I would help you, WHERE in the attached GA permit law is there ANY requirement to ever fire a gun or take a class in gun laws? Now it that is not a fools paradise in guns, what can be? Do you honestly want some idiot running about public areas you and family are at that has zero experience in shooting 20rd 9mm it is packing? http://www.usacarry.com/georgia_concealed_carry_permit_information.html

April 11, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Maybe his next cartoon will suggest Gun Free Zone signs to be plastered all over downtown Chattanooga"

Maybe you are not so confident in God protecting you.

Surely to goodness there is Biblical scripture that will assure you that God has your back.

April 11, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
alprova said...

BRP wrote: "A big smile comes across my face every time I realise I am standing next to another concealed carry permit holder."

Are you sure that isn't preceded by an erection?

April 11, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Well...we know that a Republican filibuster is not going to happen. 16 Republicans crossed the aisle and voted for opening up the debate for expanded background checks and increased penalties for gun trafficking.

Poor Rand Paul...he just knew he was gonna get to rant for another 12 hours...

April 11, 2013 at 2:29 p.m.
limric said...

Ok you guys. Getting a Concealed Weapons Permit is not really as loosey goosey as y’all make it out to be; and attempting to convince those unfamiliar that it’s ”So Easy a Cave Man Can Do It” (I know how to read between the lines) does a disservice to the uninformed and paints gun owners and permit holders with an absurdly negative broad brush. It just ain’t so.

In Florida; The Department of Agriculture shall issue if the applicant:

Is at least 21 and a U.S. resident.

Does not suffer from a physical or mental infirmity which prevents the safe handling of a firearm.

Is not a convicted felon.

Has not within a three-year period preceding submission of the application been convicted of a crime of violence or committed for drug abuse or been convicted of a minor drug offense.

Has not been adjudicated guilty even with a suspended sentence for a felony or misdemeanor crime of domestic violence, unless three years has elapsed since probation or the record is sealed or expunged.

Is not a chronic or habitual drunkard.

Is not currently under any injunction restraining the applicant from acts of domestic violence or repeated acts of violence.

States that he desires a legal means to carry a concealed weapon or firearm for lawful self-defense.

All this plus the applicant must pay for, attend, show proof of and pass a firearms education and safety course. Then the applicant gets printed (which stay on file – forever) and a thorough FBI & state background check. Oh, and if your finger prints are even slightly illegible or you forgot to dot your ‘i’s”, the application comes bouncing back with a DENIED. Then you get to do it all over again.

I’ve included a link to the PDF file of the actual application below.

http://licgweb.doacs.state.fl.us/forms/Temp/T056380147.pdf#page=1

April 11, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.
nowfedup said...

You might check reality as FL Dept of AG does not do background checks as they are NOT authorized by FL to do such things. NOTE "class and shooting" yet they fire ten rds, not that makes them super marksman no one need fear in public area shooting CCL is a farce as real handgun masters know, just another nra thing to sell more guns and if endangers public, so be it.10 Rds, what a joke.

April 11, 2013 at 2:53 p.m.
limric said...

Hmm, I've been informed the the Fl Dept of Agriculture passes it off to the FDLE for background checks. If not an FBI check should suffice; don't you think?

So - ok nowfedup, don't get a gun, don't get a CWP. Nobody cares. To be perfectly honest, sane law abiding gun owners are getting (now)FEDUP with the constant misplaced derision, finger pointing, condescension and stereotyping by people that wrongly categorize gun owners and CWP holders as out of the mainstream. They're not.

While you're wringing your hands about 'children's safety' or BRP is endangering the public or any other BS you all concoct; before lambasting honest Joe Sixpack and his 357, write a letter to the President. Ask him how he is addressing 'children's safety' abroad, or why he thinks he has the right to off you without due process and without even as much as ever have taken the minimum weapons safety course.

Plleeeeze!!

April 11, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
chatt_man said...

I don't think nowfedup is interested in the truth or in any real discussion, he's just spouting screwed up facts to see his posts appear. Carry on

April 11, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
nowfedup said...

Child have owned all types of guns for decades, NEVER worried about background checks and noted that FBI check is NOT same a the one advertised as a OK for some fool that fired maybe 10 shots to be "Qualified" or from GA that never fired one shot or took one class on gun laws. Not finger pointing, but the facts are facts and all the hot air you folks blow means nothing more then a bunch of paranoids running about trying to prove for once in miserable little lives they have some power, of a gun. Long time ago learned it takes more courage to simply walk away from dangerous situations then try to prove manly man. I also have a CCL, had one for years, long before nra used them to push guns sales as it their job. NEVER pack as see no need, CCL is just to transport and laws very from state to state. yep I sterotype as nra just push's "dumb button" and the lemmings for about 5th time rush down and empty gun stores via the ole worn out "they gunna take ur guns en ammo" spin, so it seems after five or so times only really dumbed down would bit again, but the fools do. So I judge by actions and this nonsense about "defending home, self, nation, world unverse ad nauseum, just getting more silly each year. So got to ask how come if more guns out there to make us safer, we need to be only nation in world that arms and makes fortress of schools as many want (PS sells more guns is one clue). Yep a ship of fools out there howling and baying about "thum revnuewss gunna tak mu guns en kunsttion is being run dun". Yep all it like I see it and from years of experience, but noted you dodge issues of type of gun checks needed by FL where even local papers demand more Same ole same old, you folk real shy on facts but big on hot air and more then a bit predictably boring.

April 11, 2013 at 3:45 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Again, I'll carry my own concealed weapon. And unless you draw on me and my family, you'll never know I have it. Totally sane, not hypersensitive like the anti-gun folks. Just an American doing what the government can't - protect his family.

April 11, 2013 at 3:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

Why not just confiscate or steal all the guns like they want to do with all the money. It is theft to take from a person against their will so taxes and confiscated guns are theft, not a free choice as D A Reid said and some here like to parrot. It is theft to in-debt our children and future generations so those that failed can be supported. This has nothing to do with the truly disabled, children etc. not being supported.

April 11, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.
limric said...

A round of applause for nowfedup, Your 15:45 posting is a classic.

You begin with ”Not finger pointing, but the facts are facts.” and then proceed to blow enough hot air, hyperbole, conjecture, finger pointing, condescension and stereotyping to fill up the ‘Hindenburg’ (it was a type of dirigible); and judging by the content and style of your writing, I think adding a definition was in order.

But NO FACTS {:-O

I do not believe you ever had, or have, a concealed weapons permit and frankly don’t think you even own a gun; nor do I think you know how to use one - and if I may be so bold {yes I may}, are ” shy on facts but big on hot air and more then a bit predictably”-- full of it.

Honey Chile, Facts is facts - but its lookin like you ain’t got none.

April 11, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
alprova said...

whatsnottaken wrote: "Again, I'll carry my own concealed weapon. And unless you draw on me and my family, you'll never know I have it. Totally sane, not hypersensitive like the anti-gun folks. Just an American doing what the government can't - protect his family."

If you wait until someone already has drawn a weapon on you to draw yours, you're already dead. Your only hope is to walk with it cocked, locked and ready to fire.

April 11, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Why not just confiscate or steal all the guns like they want to do with all the money."

All the money? You don't think you're exaggerating just a bit there?

"It is theft to take from a person against their will so taxes and confiscated guns are theft, not a free choice as D A Reid said and some here like to parrot."

Sir, you are free as a bird to renounce your citizenship anytime and choose a country to call your new home. Good luck living anywhere on this planet without paying a dime in taxes.

I hear they are taking applications for inhabitants for Mars. Knock yourself out.

"It is theft to in-debt our children and future generations so those that failed can be supported."

Make up your mind. Do you want to pay no taxes or do you want to pay off debt. You cannot do one without the other.

"This has nothing to do with the truly disabled, children etc. not being supported."

Aw...what the heck...let 'em die so you can keep a few more of your copper pennies in your safe deposit box.

April 11, 2013 at 5:14 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "The promotion and nuturing of baby daddyism by the Progressive elite is a major contributor to gun violence. They believe there should be no stigma to birthing bastards and turning them loose on society to rape and play shootem up, and to reproduce at will."

Do you ever read your Bible? Bastard children have been around since who knows when, you idiot.

"It keeps people like Cook and Bennet and most Democrat politicians employed."

And people like yourself running around like chickens with their heads cut off, wailing and moaning about it.

Why I'll bet that you delivered some seed of your own where it Biblically didn't belong at some point in your life.

You are totally pathetic.

April 11, 2013 at 5:18 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Alprova,

”Bastard children have been around since who knows when, you idiot.’

No no no! Bastard children have only been around since January 2009! I thought you knew that.

I'll bet that you delivered some seed of your own where it Biblically didn't belong at some point in your life.”

Dang. I laughed so hard I passed...well you know.

April 11, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Maybe his next cartoon will suggest Gun Free Zone signs to be plastered all over downtown Chattanooga"

Maybe you are not so confident in God protecting you. Surely to goodness there is Biblical scripture that will assure you that God has your back.

========================================

conservative wrote: "Maybe his next cartoon will suggest Gun Free Zone signs to be plastered all over downtown Chattanooga"

"Maybe you are not so confident in God protecting you."

Maybe you don't understand why my statement has nothing to do with your statement and that your supposition is wrong.

Maybe you are desperate for an argument with me.

Maybe you just want an opportunity to blaspheme God again as you have frequently done in the past.

Maybe you don't understand that you don't need me to blaspheme, you do quite well on your own.

"Surely to goodness there is Biblical scripture that will assure you that God has your back."

I am alive and well and eternally secure. This is probably the first time you have been correct, Biblically speaking.

April 11, 2013 at 5:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

It's not alprova's fault you can't read.

April 11, 2013 at 5:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"bastard children have been around since the beginning of time, but when they got out of line they got their asses kicked."

Only bastard kids get their asses kicked when they got out of line? Am I read you correctly or are you just a dumbass?

"They are free to be, ripping cities apart, and providing cover for Progressives and Obama and other pieces of crap."

Did Godzilla have bastard kids? "ripping cities apart? LMFAO!

You're truly a moron, JR.

April 11, 2013 at 5:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"If I had delivered seed to the inapropriate place I would have still accepted my responsibilities, as best as I could. The concept of responsibility in Obamaworld does not exist."

What does any of that have to do with President Obama?

"Hell...even if you don't have a job you can at least get your name on a child's birth certificate and see the child everyday and stick with the mother somehow. And then don't create another bastard with yet another women. But again, that is not even a concept in Obamaworld."

What does any of that have to do with President Obama? Everything you just said smacks of racism.

"All kids should get their asses kicked when necessary. But in Obamaworld bastards are treated as a special class, you can't kick their asses because their mommas and baby dadies are Democrat voters."

What does any of that have to do with President Obama? Everything you just said smacks of racism.

Which "bastards" are you talking about, JonRoss? Tell us, Grand Wizard.

April 11, 2013 at 6:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I'm glad you can admit you're a racist, Grand Wizard JonnyRoss

April 11, 2013 at 9:07 p.m.
Lr103 said...

BigRidgePatriot said... A concealed carry permit holder has no felony convictions

The lack of a criminal record is no guarantee an individual has never committed any crimes. George Zimmerman had committed several offenses, once even accused of child molestation, assaults and domestic violence. Yet the one criminal record George, whosed daddy had been a federal magistrate, did finally accumulate was expunged. George was allowed a concealed carry permit.

If a criminal know the right people and have the right connections in the courts, there's always a way around getting out of having a criminal record.

April 11, 2013 at 9:59 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

What exactly is 'Baby Daddyism'?

April 11, 2013 at 10:03 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Maybe you don't understand why my statement has nothing to do with your statement and that your supposition is wrong."

Oh no it isn't. You use the Bible to justify your need for all kinds of guns that you claim to possess. I'm pretty sure that your stance on guns is full proof that you don't have confidence in God protecting you and yours.

"Maybe you are desperate for an argument with me."

Nope. Arguing with you is like arguing with a two year old. The difference however is that I usually find that a two year old will do their best to come up with a point or two, something that you seem incapable of achieving.

"Maybe you just want an opportunity to blaspheme God again as you have frequently done in the past."

Your opinion on that issue is of no consequence.

"Maybe you don't understand that you don't need me to blaspheme, you do quite well on your own."

Maybe you don't understand what the word blasphemy encompasses.

"I am alive and well and eternally secure. This is probably the first time you have been correct, Biblically speaking."

But Sir, I didn't cite anything Biblical. You seem to be a person who trembles in fear of other men so badly, that you feel the need to pack extensive amounts of heat for protection, which is also a very big indication that you do not have quite the relationship with God that you claim in this forum.

What a shame...

April 11, 2013 at 10:44 p.m.
mosquito said...

Ah the race baiters out in full force...

The big O is not even black he's half black...so does that make some people half a racist??

April 11, 2013 at 10:49 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "alprova you are still like those Amish Fireplace advertisements seen from time to time in the TFP. A big full page of words, going on and on, but there is nothing there. Not even an end point or concept."

I'm truly sorry that you find it so difficult to understand what is being sold in those Amish fireplace advertisements. They seem quite simple to me.

Considering that you seem to relate what's on your mind like a ninth grader, perhaps the words are simply too big for you.

My point was quite simple. Your moaning about bastard children is quite silly and baseless, and is something that very dim-witted people lay claim to all the time, but you might take a moment or two to pause and reflect, because I'm sure you have had your own share of one-night stands over the course of your life, and may well be responsible for siring your own little bastard, therefore making you a baby-daddy too.

Let's be logical for a moment. You never, ever refer to having a wife or a life, so it's an easy stretch to make the assumption that a big night for you involves a drive down Rossville Boulevard in search of one of those foxy babes of 50 years of age, shaking their booties while they wave you down.

April 11, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
Lr103 said...

mosquito said... Ah the race baiters out in full force... The big O is not even black he's half black...so does that make some people half a racist??

In America's heightened awareness on race matters, physical characteristics determines ones race. What race the individuals parents are doesn't matter. President Obama is black, by American standards, because that's what his physical characteristics dictate.

Most American blacks whose families date back a century or more in America can trace their bloodlines back to whites, asians, native-american in their family tree. Many whites in America can trace their bloodlines back to black relatives in the family tree if they weren't in denial. Blacks are just more willing and open about the mixing that's taken place as far back as on the slave ships before they even arrived in America. Many of those slave women and young girls were either pregnant or had already given birth while in while in transport at the hands of white shipmasters and their white shipmates.

April 11, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.
GameOn said...

How has gun control worked out in Australia?

April 11, 2013 at 11:08 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "If I had delivered seed to the inapropriate place I would have still accepted my responsibilities, as best as I could."

Oh I'm sure you have been very responsible, fifty bucks at a time.

"The concept of responsibility in Obamaworld does not exist."

You're just full of baseless statements, aren't you?

"Hell...even if you don't have a job you can at least get your name on a child's birth certificate and see the child everyday and stick with the mother somehow."

What do you truly care what some people do, or what their relationship is to a woman and her child? It's none of your business.

"And then don't create another bastard with yet another women."

How many times have you had sex with someone you did not know or see again? What are the chances that you have done EXACTLY what you are whining about?

I'm betting many times.

"But again, that is not even a concept in Obamaworld."

Seems to me that a little research on your behalf would contradict your assertions, but good. He married Michelle 21 years ago and both of his children were born long after their nuptials were uttered.

April 11, 2013 at 11:13 p.m.
limric said...

Lr103,

” The lack of a criminal record is no guarantee an individual has never committed any crimes.” True enough. But, as far as BigRidgePatriots quote: ”A concealed carry permit holder has no felony convictions.” is concerned, George Zimmerman (an example you offered as dissension)has no felony convictions.
Ergo, his statement is valid.

Good night.

April 11, 2013 at 11:17 p.m.
mosquito said...

In my opinion, the proper concept behind the concealed carry would be one of strength in numbers..While an earlier comment stated correctly that if someone has already drawn on you then your chances of producing your weapon, taking aim (unless you fire from the hip which is actually taught in some classes)and neutralizing the threat is small. The theory would be that another concealed carry holder would be in that area to offer assistance. Personally I do not have a permit nor do I want one. Just another way for our illustrious leaders to track us, tax us, and give us grief.

Oh and there's this--

http://www.columbiatribune.com/news/highway-patrol-gave-feds-missouri-weapon-permits-data/article_266b644e-a235-11e2-a8e7-0019bb30f31a.html

Not front page news but chit happens nonetheless. And why is it that the fake liberals on this forum never bring up the Fast and Furious gun running scandal?

And do the so called conservatives on here even know about Kissingers comments on what some officials do in our name?

http://rt.com/news/wikileaks-assange-release-files-475/

You know, the same Kissinger who is a semi regular on Faux News..

If the SHTF scenario ever comes to fruition in a widespread manner, it will not be our Black brothers and sisters who will be roaming the countryside raping and pillaging...for the most part it will be our White brothers and sisters who believed in some fake pre trib rapture crap who stocked up on ammo but no food..And they will be hungry...Got milk???

April 11, 2013 at 11:24 p.m.
alprova said...

Gameon wrote: "How has gun control worked out in Australia?"

No one is calling for a total disarmament of the people. You folks that keep on making comparisons to Australia and England only make yourselves look silly.

Someone brought up Canada the other day. Canada has not disarmed their citizenry. They are simply where most of America wants us to be; no more than a minimal amount of bullets per loading, and all military and police weapons out of private hands.

It's gonna happen. You might as well be prepared for it. People, like myself, are totally fed up with mass shootings by clowns eager to bow out of life or who are acting out their favorite video game fantasy with a real-life assault rifle.

We ain't giving up this time, and once the bans are in place, there won't be a ten year time limit on them either.

If you guys gotta have something that makes you feel manly, go out and buy yourselves a porno and a penis pump and have a blast.

April 11, 2013 at 11:27 p.m.
mosquito said...

and , respectfully, to Lr103,

my awareness on race matters is not heightened at all..I act the way I always have.. In my opinion, race wouldn't matter nearly as much if certain people would stop bringing it up..

If there are specific instances of racism concerning specific people then yes let's make it right. Other than that, can you tell our good audience who was responsible for bringing the slaves to be to the white shipmasters??

April 11, 2013 at 11:32 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "alprova you are displaying a level of ignorance and gross inability to grasp the subject matter."

Is that so?

"The connection between mass bastardy in cities and chaos created by the poverty it engenders. And those masses of bastards are also masses of gang bangers."

I know that's a popular belief by all of you home-grown racists, but there is no correlation that proves that a child in a single parent household is any more predisposed to becoming a "gang banger" than that of a two parent household.

"It really doesn't affect me that much. In fact I am approaching the point where I really don't give a damn."

You wouldn't know that by your posts this evening.

"I just feel sorry for bastard children and the hellish lives they are forced to live because of the plantation mentality of Progressives and Democrats."

Oh, I get it now. Conservatives and Republicans would do things different. Is that you assertion?

Well then, let's have it. What is the magic bullet, so to speak, that would stem the tide of bastard babies, and their alleged gravitation to gangs? Sterilization?

"alprova you can spin in circles with your fist up your arse as you worship Obama but it doesn't solve the issue."

With all due respect, your constant condemnation and laying blame at President Obama's feet all the time for all of life's ills, isn't coming close to solving a doggone thing either.

Out-of-wedlock children have been in evidence for eons. Gang banging, as you coin it, is relatively a recent, yet unrecognized cultural thang, about 40 years or so in the making.

I know how your kind thinks. You probably lament all the time that it was a big mistake to free the slaves. You wish they were all back in the fields and whipped into submission.

You Sir, were born about 250 years too late.

April 11, 2013 at 11:43 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

"I know that's a popular belief by all of you home-grown racists, but there is no correlation that proves that a child in a single parent household is any more predisposed to becoming a "gang banger" than that of a two parent household."

Incredibly stupid, or incredibly ignorant. Maybe both.

April 11, 2013 at 11:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

LaughingBoy,

"Incredibly stupid, or incredibly ignorant. Maybe both."

You must be referring to yourself. Alprova is correct. The studies that have been done are very mixed. One of the most extensive studies published in 1991 said that there was almost no difference between the number of gang members from an intact nuclear family and ones from a single-parent home. This was a 10 year study in big cities like Boston, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc.

Other studies have put the percentage of gang members from single-parent homes at 50% and others as high as 85%. Anyone can see that the results aren't exactly conclusive on the subject. However, the number of children, overall, born to single-mothers is rising, thus, one could expect the number of gang members from single-parent homes to increase as well.

You should actually do research before you start calling people stupid or ignorant.

April 12, 2013 at 12:05 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Actually when I just googled it nearly every example agreed with my point. Maybe some 1991 study had a differing view but I'd put money being on it being a very small portion of the outcomes.

It's not just gang membership, but crime in general.

Keep popping them out. Maybe we can get more midnight basketball leagues going to help out these misunderstood and disadvantaged youths.

Ignorant and stupid, both.

April 12, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
Easy123 said...

LaughingBoy,

"Actually when I just googled it nearly every example agreed with my point. Maybe some 1991 study had a differing view but I'd put money being on it being a very small portion of the outcomes."

"Nearly". You mean some didn't agree with you? And one of those that didn't agree with you just so happened to be the most extensive and longest of any of the studies done on the subject? Seems like what you're saying falls under the category of "mixed". Thus, it's very hard to find direct correlation between studies that come to very different conclusions.

"It's not just gang membership, but crime in general."

Crime is a very different thing than gang membership.

"Keep popping them out. Maybe we can get more midnight basketball leagues going to help out these misunderstood and disadvantaged youths."

I can see how concerned you are about it....I'd bet a pretty penny that you've never talked to one "misunderstood and disadvantaged youth" in your entire life. Keep spewing your bullsh!t though. It's not like your WingNut buddies on here haven't painted the walls of the TFP comments section with theirs already.

"Ignorant and stupid, both."

Yes, you are.

April 12, 2013 at 12:49 a.m.
alprova said...

Laughingboy wrote: "Incredibly stupid, or incredibly ignorant. Maybe both."

Then prove it. Feel free to offer the compelling evidence.

April 12, 2013 at 1:59 a.m.
fairmon said...

April 18th is viewed as tax freedom day or when 100% of a wage earners income is no longer confiscated as taxes. It is ironic that April 16th is the day in 1862 of the signing of the proclamation of emancipation freeing all slaves. A slave is someone who is deprived by force the fruits of their labor. There Is no excuse or justification for slavery of any shape form or fashion. Does taking by force the fruits of ones labor under the heading of government make it any less servitude? Does restriction of gun ownership enabling citizens to protect themselves from government better enable government to treat people as slaves? To think in these terms may be above the pay level of those dependent on and enslaved by government.

A date for 2012 has not been announced yet; but Cost of Government Day for 2011 was August 12. According to that estimate, the average U.S. taxpayer slaved away for about two-thirds of the year to pay for the state and got to keep only a third of the fruits of their labor for their own benefit and improvement. Cost of Government Day is a somewhat more inclusive estimate of the burden the state imposes on tax paying citizens.

April 12, 2013 at 7:13 a.m.
Easy123 said...

fairmon,

You are blatantly ignorant of the Constitution and how a functioning society/government works. Tax dollars are not taken by force nor are they confiscated. You get things for those tax dollars. Roads, hospitals, a military, schools, etc. Taxation is not theft and American citizens are not slaves to the government. Read the 16th Amendment. It's in the Constitution. You know, the infallible document you cling to when people talk about gun control. If you don't like taxes, there are plenty of countries in sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East and in the Gulf of Mexico that you could move to and live like a king.

April 12, 2013 at 7:31 a.m.
Lr103 said...

limric said... Lr103, ” The lack of a criminal record is no guarantee an individual has never committed any crimes.” True enough. But, as far as BigRidgePatriots quote: ”A concealed carry permit holder has no felony convictions.” is concerned, George Zimmerman (an example you offered as dissension)has no felony convictions. Ergo, his statement is valid.
Good night.

The point is, limric, the term no felony convictions is being presented that the individual is law-abiding, and therefore will be responsible. The point I'm making is, just because a person has no criminal record or felony conviction is no guarantee they're law-abiding and responsible citizens. They can still be child molesters, rapists, stalkers and even serial killers and mass murderers who just aren't in the system. Or in the case of George Zimmerman, doesn't have a felony charge because of family connections.

ergo, you're WRONG! good-mawning.

April 12, 2013 at 8:46 a.m.
conservative said...

Alprova you wrote: "You use the Bible to justify your need for all kinds of guns that you claim to possess"

You mischaraterized what I wrote, your statement is inaccurate and thus your straw man and your favorite MO. This is what I wrote:

conservative said...

"From a Liberal perspective this cartoon makes some sense. It is a natural progression. From Gun Free Zone signs at schools, malls, theaters etc. and now just a sign in the form of a pin worn by a slobbering Liberal pleading for mercy from another Liberal not to shoot or harm him."

"Maybe his next cartoon will suggest Gun Free Zone signs to be plastered all over downtown Chattanooga."

You think making something up and then tearing it down makes you feel superior, but it only reveals you as a little man.

Alprova you wrote: "I'm pretty sure that your stance on guns is full proof that you don't have confidence in God protecting you and yours."

I'm pretty sure your biggest problem is that you are sure of things that are not so.

When you become the authority on "pretty sure" then I will care about what you think.

.Alprova you wrote: "Nope. Arguing with you is like arguing with a two year old."

A formidable foe when you argue like one who is less than a one year old.

April 12, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "April 18th is viewed as tax freedom day or when 100% of a wage earners income is no longer confiscated as taxes."

April 18th, eh? Boy...that date has been moved somewhat. The last time I heard this tripe, it was somewhere in June.

Here's a newsflash for ya'; Everyone has a different date. There is no one date that can be cited.

"It is ironic that April 16th is the day in 1862 of the signing of the proclamation of emancipation freeing all slaves. A slave is someone who is deprived by force the fruits of their labor."

There is quite a bit of difference, but what the heck...you're on a roll....

"There Is no excuse or justification for slavery of any shape form or fashion. Does taking by force the fruits of ones labor under the heading of government make it any less servitude?"

Actually, yes. You are not obligated to the Government to earn a dime. You can sit on your ass all day and do nothing, and therefore owe nothing.

Knock yourself out.

"Does restriction of gun ownership enabling citizens to protect themselves from government better enable government to treat people as slaves?"

I don't care how many guns you own. They are in no manner "protecting" you from the Government. They've got bigger guns, if they wanted to use them.

"To think in these terms may be above the pay level of those dependent on and enslaved by government."

Why don't you catch a plane to the country of your choosing, renounce your citizenship, and see how much better you have it?

You're totally becoming pathetic whining about this subject all the time.

"A date for 2012...(snip)"

Oops!! Looks like you need to check the dates of the material being presented when you choose to copy and paste.

April 12, 2013 at 9:15 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

"Nearly". You mean some didn't agree with you? And one of those that didn't agree with you just so happened to be the most extensive and longest of any of the studies done on the subject? Seems like what you're saying falls under the category of "mixed"."

It was roughly 19 to 1. If that's your definition of mixed, so be it.

April 12, 2013 at 9:30 a.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "You mischaraterized what I wrote, your statement is inaccurate and thus your straw man and your favorite MO. This is what I wrote:"

Sir, I wasn't responding to a thing you wrote yesterday. You have in the past, used Biblical scripture to justify your need for owning guns.

"You think making something up and then tearing it down makes you feel superior, but it only reveals you as a little man."

I made that up?

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/mar/21/the-ammo-chattanooga-times-cartoon-bennett/?opinioncartoons#c219998

"I'm pretty sure your biggest problem is that you are sure of things that are not so."

Your whole world revolves around you living in denial, doesn't it?

"When you become the authority on "pretty sure" then I will care about what you think."

You are sorely mistaken if you think I will ever care what you think.

"A formidable foe when you argue like one who is less than a one year old."

Most two year olds would probably say the same thing, which makes about as much sense coming from them as it did coming from you.

I may have missed it, but most children less than a year old do not enter into very many arguments.

April 12, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
alprova said...

Rick Warren's son committed suicide with a gun that was sold to him, which had it's serial number removed.

It has been widely reported that Matthew Warren had suffered a lifetime of mental illness.

Would he still be alive if he had not had access to a gun sold to him in a casual manner? Maybe...maybe not. If he was that determined to die, he might have found another method to carry out the act.

But scenes like this are played out all over this nation and all you "responsible" gun owners who are fighting and/or arguing against universal background checks and absolute gun registration are most certainly responsible, at least in some part, for his death.

Someone out there is directly responsible for his death and they will answer to God for it.

April 12, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
alprova said...

Laughingboy, if you are so confident that it is I who is ignorant and stupid, I again request you to cite the proof that children of single parent households are more predisposed to becoming criminals or joining gangs, than those who come from two parent households.

I know where that information comes from. Look at those links.

This is tripe that was spawned by Christian conservatives, presented in sermons to promote marriage, without an ounce of research being performed prior to adopting that opinion.

Not everything that might make sense to some people, is necessarily factual or true.

You had the audacity to call me stupid and ignorant. Now man up and prove it.

April 12, 2013 at 10 a.m.
Easy123 said...

LaughingBoy,

"It was roughly 19 to 1. If that's your definition of mixed, so be it."

Bullsh!t, roughly.

Your "rough" estimate is a complete and utter fabrication.

April 12, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
LaughingBoy said...

Just google using the words gang members, then in quotes "single parent homes" and "two parent homes". You should find all the evidence required whether you want to deny it or not upon reading.

Yes, you're extremely ignorant.

April 12, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
Easy123 said...

LaughingBoy,

"You should find all the evidence required whether you want to deny it or not upon reading."

That "evidence" is, as I said before, mixed. You absolutely choose to deny the truth of the evidence because it does not fit your narrative.

"Yes, you're extremely ignorant."

Stop projecting.

April 12, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Easy, your explanation of what taxation is all about is spot on. Libertarian-minded people like fairmon who constantly bitch and moan about the "evils" of taxation and refer to it as "theft" and "enslavement" have an extremely narrow and totally distorted concept of what it means to be part of any society that calls itself civilized.

Fairmon, you whine like a 2 yr. old about having to pay taxes and you don't even seem to be aware of what you get in return for those tax dollars. There is not one thing that you do during the course of your day that has not been made possible and better by tax dollars or government in some form having had a hand in it - from the cup of coffee you drink with water made safe and clean, to the eggs you eat for breakfast, to getting the weather report, to driving on the roads to work or to shop, to breathing clean air. I could go on and on and on and on. It would not even be possible for you to whine like you do in your inane posts on the computer if it weren't for government funded research that helped develop the internet in its early stages.

You libertarians and your self-absorbed, adolescent notions of "individual freedom" are silly and disgusting. You like to think of yourselves as rugged individualists but you are nothing but ill informed, selfish whiners. I wish you would all go live together in your libertarian la-la land of no taxes, no laws, and no government and see how long you survive in your Little-House-on-the-Prairie utopias.

April 12, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
acerigger said...

The AP recently looked at public records and found that 2,133 people have had their permits revoked or suspended for criminal charges or orders of protection over the last two years in Tennessee. Handgun permit owners have killed or been accused of killing 16 people in the past five years in this state. One of the shootings started as argument over how close together two SUVs were parked.

Currently, Concealed Carry Killers documents 377 incidents in 32 states resulting in 508 deaths. In nearly 80 percent of the incidents (300) the concealed carry killer has already been convicted (126), committed suicide (167), or was killed in the incident (seven). Of the 67 cases still pending, the vast majority (55) of concealed carry killers have been charged with criminal homicide, four were deemed incompetent to stand trial, and eight incidents are still under investigation. An additional 10 incidents were fatal unintentional shootings involving the gun of the concealed handgun permit holder. At least 14 of the victims were law enforcement officers. Twenty-three of the incidents were mass shootings, resulting in the deaths of 103 victims.

http://southernbeale.wordpress.com/

April 12, 2013 at 10:23 a.m.
limric said...

Lr103,

I think you overlooked my, ”True enough” quip. Hence, I understood what you were driving at. And still do.

In an additional contention you wrote: ”just because a person has no criminal record or felony conviction is no guarantee they're law-abiding and responsible citizens. They can still be child molesters, rapists, stalkers and even serial killers and mass murderers who just aren't in the system." Again, true enough.

However, when taking into consideration the law, BigRidgePatriots quote: ”A concealed carry permit holder has no felony convictions.” and your key words, ”aren't in the system” I ask, how are we to objectively determine an applicant’s legal access to or denial of? We cannot use ‘subjective’ judgement relating to an applicant’s ‘possible’ past misdeeds or an ‘unsubstantiated’ propensity for future misuse. Or can we?

The statements validity stands.

April 12, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Further Adventures in Licensing:

Did you know that in some less developed states (Florida or Georgia ??) most any adult can get a license to operate a 3 or 4 ton piece of transportation machinery. Once obtained these licenses for all practical purposes are forever no matter any serious degradation to the operator’s physical or mental ability to properly control their machine in a safe and legal manner.

Most of these machines can easily reach speeds of 100MPH plus while navigating relatively thin strips of tarmac. All the while passing other such machines traveling in the opposite direction at closing speeds of typically 120MPH and having a clearance between the machines of only 2 to 3 feet.

The operators can be any age from 16 to 100 plus with a wide variety of physical and mental limitations that can hinder proper operation. They can be under the influence of a multitude of legal drugs that alter their reality among other debilitating effects and yet be seldom detected and if so are not usually a disqualifying condition.

To qualify for the operator license an applicant has to pass a 3rd grade level written test and operate a machine to the satisfaction of a low level and highly bored bureaucrat. This real life demonstration of operator proficiency is conducted under the most trying of conditions and scenarios. Such as only during daylight hours, in no more than moderate weather conditions, and making a half a dozen errors or less. Proficiency must be shown in starting the machine, propel it forward, turn it to the right and left, stop the machine, and not spilling the bureaucrat’s latte.

After this the operator is fully qualified to operate their behemoth machine that in most cases is as well suited and safe for its task as the operator.

Oh God … the humanity!

April 12, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.
conservative said...

Alprova you wrote: "Maybe you don't understand what the word blasphemy encompasses."

Maybe you refuse to admit what the word blasphemy encompasses and that you have grossly, that is extremely, practiced it. I know full well what it means. In the past I gave you three sources about blasphemy, one each from a Christian, Catholic and Jewish source and they all agreed.

You have no excuse.

Here are some more:

From Strongs Concordance: "987. blasphemeo blas-fay-meh'-o from 989; to vilify; specially, to speak impiously:--(speak) blaspheme(-er, -mously, -my), defame, rail on, revile, speak evil."

Merriam Webster online: "the act of insulting or showing contempt or lack of reverence for God"

Websters 1812:

"BLAS'PHEMY, n. An indignity offered to God by words or writing; reproachful, contemptuous or irreverent words uttered impiously against Jehovah."

"Blasphemy is an injury offered to God, by denying that which is due and belonging to him, or attributing to him that which is not agreeable to his nature."

Your blasphemy in the past has not been of ignorance but deliberate and gross:

Here is just one of YOUR many blasphemies:

/alprova said... conservative wrote: "JESUS IS SINLESS! JESUS IS MORALLY PERFECT!" Jesus himself disputes that in one of the very verses of scripture that has been the focus of controversy by yourself.

Mark 10:18 - "18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good — except God alone."

Now, you either don't know or deny who Jesus is, contrary to Christianity!!!

This alone is absolute proof that you falsely claim to be a Christian.

April 12, 2013 at 11:02 a.m.
Leaf said...

Well, I know a few concealed carry people, and I know a few open carry people (cops). Some of them I consider to be well-balanced and others aren't playing with a full deck. Obviously not everyone in the world with a gun is crazy, and obviously not everyone without a gun is sane.

The person I know personally who I consider the most likely to fly off the handle and shoot some people is actually a cop. This person is not mentally balanced, but apparently hasn't been convicted of anything yet.

Consider this: carrying a gun often MAKES you weird. It happens in three ways, first and most obvious is that it gives you an unearned sense of power. That can lead to arrogance and a false sense of invulnerability. Two things that can get you in trouble really quickly.

Secondly, it makes you suspicious of people you might perceive as a threat. You treat them with suspicion. It is easy and natural to fall into a "me against the world" mindset.

Thirdly, why carry around a heavy uncomfortable object all the time if you never use it? People start looking for situations to pull their weapon, and maybe start looking for dangerous situations, or even try to manufacture them.

Not everyone falls into these traps of course, but I bet you all know people like this, if you'll admit it. This is why I choose not to carry. I don't want to become suspicious and fearful.

April 12, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
conservative said...

Alprova, I cite this recent exchange to illustrate what a little man you are.

YOU wrote:"Surely to goodness there is Biblical scripture that will assure you that God has your back."

I wrote in response this: "I am alive and well and eternally secure. This is probably the first time you have been correct, Biblically speaking."

Your response:

"But Sir, I didn't cite anything Biblical."

This makes my point about you being a little man. You didn't "cite" anything Biblically. However, as any objective person can see you did reference the Bible and that is what I made my reference to as well.

April 12, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.
nowfedup said...

It seems a lot of folks on this site are not overly well informed as to facts, and if any are presented they then dance about. I am out of here as the ignorance level and what appears to be imitation of intellectuals is so amusing as to be pathetic, so go play in your sand box of dumb and continue to uphold the image of "bumbed down good ole boys" being led about nose by nra talking points and selective editiing at about 3rd grade levels.

April 12, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
Leaf said...

conservative, if you aren't laughing, then they aren't lauging WITH you.

April 12, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Furthermore, typical of a little man you wrote this lie:

"You seem to be a person who trembles in fear of other men so badly, that you feel the need to pack extensive amounts of heat for protection, which is also a very big indication that you do not have quite the relationship with God that you claim in this forum."

I don't "pack" nor need "extensive" amounts of heat for protection. Your false statement is too far removed from the truth to be just a false assumption on your part. I contend that you deliberately lied. However, if you contend that it was just a false assumption on your part I will withdraw my charge of lying.

I shoot almost everyday, shot a rodent this morning. I have enjoyed shooting ever since I was a little boy in the woods with my Daisy but I have never in civilian life gone anyplace where I felt the need to "pack" as you put it. For me to go to certain areas of Chattanooga and at certain times would presume on the protection of God and to test Him as well, a test I would consider sin.

BTW your frequent use of "you seem to be" and "I'm pretty sure" and the like coupled with a false statement only further indicates your self importance and further exemplifies your childish behavior.

April 12, 2013 at 2:33 p.m.
limric said...

Fare thee well O illiterate loiterer whom spreads to opine which finds he Nowfedup. And sullen.

You do unbend your ignoble strength, to think So brainsickly of things.

Fare thee well...

~Taken from, 'The Two Gentlemen of Verona & Macbeth' Or - 'selective editing at about 3rd grade level."

April 12, 2013 at 3:22 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Maybe you refuse to admit what the word blasphemy encompasses and that you have grossly, that is extremely, practiced it."

I'm not going to debate you any further about the status of my soul. You believe whatever makes you more hateful and self-righteous.

"I know full well what it means."

You know exactly squat.

"In the past I gave you three sources about blasphemy, one each from a Christian, Catholic and Jewish source and they all agreed."

I have asked you to disprove a word I have typewritten, and still you cannot do it. I'm done with this incessant back and forth about it. Disprove my words or shut up about it.

"You have no excuse."

There's nothing to excuse. When you stick to the truth and facts, it's all good.

"Your blasphemy in the past has not been of ignorance but deliberate and gross"

You and I are through with that debate. Your opinions are of no consequence to me or anyone else.

April 12, 2013 at 3:43 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"Maybe you don't understand what the word blasphemy encompasses"

You also wrote this blasphemy:

"Was Jesus a perfect man while on Earth? Although few and far between, there is scripture that suggests that Jesus was not perfect."

"Is he perfect now? The Bible does not make that clear."

Now, did you make those two blasphemous statements because "you don't understand what the word blasphemy encompasses" or did you make those blasphemous statements intentionally in accordance with your past Mormon indoctrination?

April 12, 2013 at 3:50 p.m.
conservative said...

alpprova,

You wrote:"Your opinions are of no consequence to me"

How many times have written that? How many times will you write that?

You wrote:

"Your opinions are of no consequence to me or anyone else."

What unmitigated arrogance! Who else do you claim to speak for?

April 12, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You are very good at saying variations of "I don't care what you say, think, or what your opinions are" instead of addressing a point.

April 12, 2013 at 4:18 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Truth itself is blasphemy to those who are deceived by the abundant garbage in the Bible and who worship the false monotheistic male deity called Jehovah. The very God you hate-filled, self-righteous christians worship is an abomination to all that is good and true. To place your blind faith in such a God as you do is morally bankrupt. Con-man, you are the blasphemer!

April 12, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
Lr103 said...

limric said... However, when taking into consideration the law, BigRidgePatriots quote: ”A concealed carry permit holder has no felony convictions.” and your key words, ”aren't in the system”

Perhaps I could have been a bit more detailed in my position, but I was in a hurry. I forget that not everyone has the same level of comprehension or critical thinking.

Near anyone who wants a gun can and likely will get one. I was speaking primarily to the naivete in those who believe that just because a person is license to carry they must all be upstanding and responsible citizens. Even the mentally ill will can get their hands on a weapon if they want. Especially if they're in a home where other license carriers own guns. All anyone can basically hope for are if the penalties are stiffer perhaps that will be a deterrant for some, but not likely. As people who have gone on mass shooting sprees were already prepared to die if necessary and some have been known to take out their family members before they go on their rampage. So there's no one left for the law to go after if someone in the home was license to carry and some mentally deranged relative got their hands on the weapon.

The point is those who think just because a person passes a background check or has no obvious criminal record doesn't mean they haven't been in trouble with the law or even convicted of a serious crime.

Take what investigative reporters at Florida's Sun Sentinel exposed back in 2007: Their investigation showed the state of Florida issued concealed license carry permits to over 1,400 fellow Floridians who had pleaded guilty or no contest to felonies, 216 with outstanding warrants, 128 named in active domestic violence injunctions and 6 to registered sex offenders. And that was only from a sampling of records. And it's a guarantee if this took place in Florida it's also taking place elsewhere across the nation.

Here's a small excerpt from the Sun Sentinel, Jan. 2007:

"Marion P. Hammer, a lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, blamed law enforcement gaps, judges and prosecutors for missteps that put guns in criminals’ hands.

But some say the N.R.A. pressures lawmakers to ignore the problem. “The people at the N.R.A., they know exactly what’s going on,” said Kristen Rand, legislative director of the nonprofit Violence Policy Center."

April 12, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Maybe his next cartoon will suggest Gun Free Zone signs to be plastered all over downtown Chattanooga." - con-man

It used to be not too long ago everywhere you went in public was a "gun-free zone" and nobody even used that term. It's only since the NRA and the gun nuts have pushed for and gotten state governments to allow people to carry more guns in more places that we have come to think in terms of "gun-free" and "guns allowed." You second amendment worshiping gun fetishists who constantly whine about the "slippery slope" of gun laws leading to complete gun confiscation have it backward. There is a slippery slope all right, but it's not one leading to a ban on guns. Instead it's one that is bringing us closer and closer to having guns in every nook and cranny of our everyday life. You should be proud of yourselves. Your valiant efforts to arm our society to the teeth are obviously paying off. God bless Amurika and our guns. Yee-haw!

April 12, 2013 at 5:20 p.m.
conservative said...

Alprova you wrote: "Maybe you don't understand what the word blasphemy encompasses."

And then you quoted my response:

alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Maybe you refuse to admit what the word blasphemy encompasses and that you have grossly, that is extremely, practiced it."

"I'm not going to debate you any further about the status of my soul. You believe whatever makes you more hateful and self-righteous."

Hmm, I did not mention the "status" of your "soul."

This discussion has not been about the status of your soul. YOU made the connection.

Your conscience has convicted you, not me.

April 12, 2013 at 5:57 p.m.
tderng said...

Why is it that the anti-gun people in this country absolutely refuse to talk about the real reason that there are so many people in this country are killed by guns? They never talk about the real problem with firearms. If these damn judges would hit these effing thugs,no matter their ethnicity,that use guns during a crime with the harshest penalties possible,and the system would force them to stay in jail for at least 80% of the sentence,maybe they wouldn't be right back out on the street to continue committing the same or worse crimes. Instead they go after law-abiding peoples guns which won't even put a microscopic dent in the number of people killed with guns.

April 12, 2013 at 8:44 p.m.
mosquito said...

And to those here who would bash us Libertarian minded folk I would humbly suggest a refresher in how this country got started. If people such as yourselves who were happy drinking the government Koolaid over 200 years ago had their way, there would be no USA as we know it today . In my opinion..

If the collective history is to be believed, enough people got pissed about what was going on , they had weapons, and they used them..That's right ..to all on here who appear a bit timid in the presence of truth, were it not for the very types of people you claim to dislike, there would be no freedoms that allow you to voice that dislike without fear of reprisal.

And yes we wish we could simply disagree casually and then go on our merry ways, but when the collective, aka the 'dumb' vote puts in an administration not once but twice to be payed for on someone else's dime---you damn right we get pissed.. Not because we may be helping some of our brothers and sisters who we will never even meet...No because for some of you on here enough is never enough.. And to you kind people I simply say, "From My Cold Dead Hands"

If you've got the nerve...which you don't..or you would've already...no you will depend on the government to right all the wrongs..the same government that allows all of these so called helpful mental happy pills to be sold legally...the same happy pills that most if not all of these mass murderers were either on or had been on

So why don't you want to take the happy pills?? Because your bullgod Obama tells you to go after the white mans guns...pathetic bitch lapdogs...

April 12, 2013 at 8:46 p.m.
mosquito said...

I apologize for the name calling.. we should be above that here.. let emotions take over and it ain't pretty sometimes but the factual statements still stand.

April 12, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
alprova said...

mosquito wrote: "And to those here who would bash us Libertarian minded folk I would humbly suggest a refresher in how this country got started."

Hoo boy...here we go...

"If people such as yourselves who were happy drinking the government Koolaid over 200 years ago had their way, there would be no USA as we know it today."

Given the history of those who came here to take possession of land from others, I'm not so sure that praising them makes a great deal of sense. I was born here approximately 758 years after the fact, but would never have been a part of what was done to the inhabitants who were here to found a "new" nation.

"If the collective history is to be believed, enough people got pissed about what was going on, they had weapons, and they used them."

That they did, murdering, pillaging, and forcing those they didn't kill from these lands to take it for themselves.

"That's right ..to all on here who appear a bit timid in the presence of truth, were it not for the very types of people you claim to dislike, there would be no freedoms that allow you to voice that dislike without fear of reprisal."

I, for one, do not admire what was done to found this nation. You are perfectly within your right to worship those early Americans, but I cannot join you in praising a bunch of pissed off thugs in their own right.

"And yes we wish we could simply disagree casually and then go on our merry ways, but when the collective, aka the 'dumb' vote puts in an administration not once but twice to be payed for on someone else's dime---you damn right we get pissed."

What nation are you planning to conquer and claim for your own next?

"Not because we may be helping some of our brothers and sisters who we will never even meet...No because for some of you on here enough is never enough."

I don't know of one person who routinely frequents this forum who does not work for a living or who is not retired from a lifetime of work. You're preaching to the choir.

"And to you kind people I simply say, "From My Cold Dead Hands"..."

Famous last words.

"So why don't you want to take the happy pills?? Because your bullgod Obama tells you to go after the white mans guns...pathetic bitch lapdogs..."

I would love to know why it is that there are so many people so convinced that anyone, much less the President, has called for a total disarmament of anyone in this nation.

What is being called for is the same kind of gun ban that this nation for ten years, and an expansion of background checks.

Clearly, the NRA and others are doing a great job of brainwashing some of you folks.

April 12, 2013 at 10:49 p.m.
Lr103 said...

tderng said...They never talk about the real problem with firearms. If these damn judges would hit these effing thugs,no matter their ethnicity,that use guns during a crime with the harshest penalties possible,and the system would force them to stay in jail for at least 80%_

So what should be done about the little wee ones? Should America build smaller jails and prisons to house them, or just fill the already larger jails and prisons with smaller and smaller prisoners?

Just since this last weekend there's been 4 shootings at the hands of toddlers. One only 2 years old. 2 of those shootings took place in Tennessee. One, Josephine Fanning, the wife of a sheriff's deputy was killed when a four year old picked up one of his guns and accidently discharged it. The other took place in New Jersey, when a 6 year old was shot by a four year old. The other was a 3 year old in South Carolina who found a gun in an apartment and accidently shot himself with it. He died. Just as I was reading about the 4 weekend shootings, a breaking news c.me on today: In Christianburg VA, 18 year old student Neil Allan MacInnis shot and wounded two people at the satellite campus of New River Community College at New River Valley Mall where he's a student. No update yet on their condition.

Frankly, I just can understand America's unnatural and unholy obsession and fascination with guns.

April 12, 2013 at 10:54 p.m.
GameOn said...

alprova said... No one is calling for a total disarmament of the people.

I said nothing about disarmament. I said, How has gun control worked out in Australia? The video does point out that disarmament has been a failure. If disarmament is a failure. How can anything else be a success? What will the definition of mentally ill be? A grieving widow that sought the short term services of a psychiatrist? An OCD clean freak? Someone taking a prescription anti-anxiety drug for atrial fib or occasional high blood pressure stress relief? Things are not always what they seem to be.

alprova said... If you guys gotta have something that makes you feel manly, go out and buy yourselves a porno and a penis pump and have a blast.

You have mentioned health problems in the past and may need porn and a pump. I am thankful for good health and no need for a pump at this time.

April 12, 2013 at 11:18 p.m.
alprova said...

"I said nothing about disarmament. I said, How has gun control worked out in Australia?"

You are comparing apples to watermelons. Currently, only 5.2% of Australians own guns. That is virtual disarmament. No such thing is being proposed for citizens of this nation, by anyone with the power to do so.

"The video does point out that disarmament has been a failure."

Just as it would be here. I have always agreed with the saying that if guns were outlawed, only outlaws would have guns.

That does not mean that any private citizen should be allowed to own a weapon for protection that is capable of discharging more than a maximum of ten rounds without the need to pause and reload.

In my personal opinion, I would have no issue whatsoever with private citizens only being allowed to own revolvers, shotguns, and prohibited from owning weapons capable of firing from a quickly loaded clip.

"If disarmament is a failure. How can anything else be a success?"

There are no easy answers, thus the ongoing debate.

"What will the definition of mentally ill be?"

Anyone who has been clinically diagnosed as such, and a national database accessible for the purposes of disclosing that fact to anyone charged with conducting background checks.

"A grieving widow that sought the short term services of a psychiatrist?"

Of course not.

"An OCD clean freak?"

Perhaps.

"Someone taking a prescription anti-anxiety drug for atrial fib or occasional high blood pressure stress relief?"

That would be up to the medical professional who prescribes it.

April 12, 2013 at 11:54 p.m.
mosquito said...

Alprova said :

"I, for one, do not admire what was done to found this nation. You are perfectly within your right to worship those early Americans, but I cannot join you in praising a bunch of pissed off thugs in their own right."

I do not worship them any more than you worship Obama?!?

"What nation are you planning to conquer and claim for your own next?"

My own?? Is that a racist remark?

"I would love to know why it is that there are so many people so convinced that anyone, much less the President, has called for a total disarmament of anyone in this nation."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=... ok no fair, Ed Koch is deceased..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...!

points taken away for referencing a video from Alex Jones but consider the content not the messenger.. And nooooo, the NRA nor you my dear could brainwash me and if IF I were to conform to some kind of authority on this it would be Gun Owners of America...NRA is too wishy washy..

Further, if the background checks and gun registrations were to be supervised by some on here I would feel much much better about the process.. but that is not the case and so I will keep what I have..

But all this is come to naught if one doesn't buy into some type of semi totalitarian world govt..

Simply put, a well armed, well educated middle class is the biggest deterrent to the idea of world government as opposed to nation states. And ours is one of the last ones left.

April 13, 2013 at 12:03 a.m.
mosquito said...

Put another way, I can agree with you on the concepts..I actually wish more people were like you however they are not and that is the reality for which I must prepare..and if nothing happens--GROOVY!!

April 13, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
mosquito said...

forgot this one, sorry its thru that goober AJ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=...!

April 13, 2013 at 12:36 a.m.
drifter49 said...

...""Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers. "The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart. "In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs, Your words are empty air. You've stripped away our heritage, You've outlawed simple prayer. Now gunshots fill our classrooms, And precious children die. You seek for answers everywhere, And ask the question "Why?" You regulate restrictive laws, Through legislative creed. And yet you fail to understand, That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact. What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws. Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts. "

Lookout Mountain, Chatt, Tn

April 14, 2013 at 12:14 p.m.
chet123 said...

Drifter49...i respect your passion....your said something about the hearts of man....you are so true.....this maddness to kill is sheer evilness.....regretfully it is mask as a mental problem.....the truth is man have always been tainted with rage to kill....

my argument with you is when evil hide behind liberty and justice....if your argument is unrestricted guns laws then your comments are highly flawed....

A civilized society have a right to protect herself...i beleive in guns to defend one-self.....but your comment leave it open for offensive weapons(magazine that hold many rounds)....not defensive weapons.....is there a hidden agenda for offensive weapons hmmmmm?????please someone tell me!!!!!If so-called good people like you dont come to your senses this country will drown in her own vomit......America will feed on its own people.....and dont give me that crap about LAW-ABIDDING CITIZENS(NRA ARGUMENT).....everyone is law abidding until they commit the crime..whether they are caught or noT caught in violation of a law.

LAW-BiDDING CITIZEN ha ha ha ha....amazing the media let people get off making such an idiotic statement

WHO IS TRULY LAW-BIDDING HA HAH A....BTK KILLER WAS CONSIDERED AS A LAW-BIDDING CITIZEN HA HA HA how about robert lee Yates(guilty of killing over 17 women)...he was a model citizen..181/2 years in military...oh oh how about John Wayne Gacy.....buried little boys under his house...he was a model citizen ha ha ha...jeffrey dalmer kepted head and body parts of his victims in his refreg...haha...he looked liked a choir boy....

i can go on and on and on WITH A ENDLESS LIST.....by the way before they got caught...99% of these mass killers were good law-bidding white males...the same group that trying convince the government that their security and safty is being compromised ha ha ha ha ha.....so they have a right to carry an assault-weapon...a machine gun, a bazooka ha ha ha ha ha

Amazing how silence the media can be....

this is why i watch very little tv news and do my own research...

drifter49...your remind me of southern prechers who always talking about sin but exemp himselves of sin.....never look into the mirror...ha ha ha ha ha......

April 16, 2013 at 12:30 p.m.
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