published Tuesday, April 16th, 2013

Boston

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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blackwater48 said...

SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED

If bombs are outlawed only outlaws will have bombs.

April 16, 2013 at 12:02 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE

The only way to stop a bad guy with a bomb is with a good guy with a bomb.

April 16, 2013 at 12:07 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

IT'S THE 2ND AMENDMENT YOU LEFT WING LIBERAL TREE HUGGER

Bombs don't kill people. PEOPLE kill people.

And no, I still don't want none background chicks.

April 16, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
acerigger said...

Sad,sad!

Sad for the victims,

Sad for our country,

Sad for the world!

April 16, 2013 at 12:15 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

A WELL-REGULATED MILITIA

Never mind.

April 16, 2013 at 12:16 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Bombs don't kill people...people kill people! Let us pray for mercy and comfort for all those affected by this tragedy. Let us pray that the 'Tree Huggers' will understand that upstanding Citizens of this United States of America have a right to keep and bear arms. The only 'assault' is the 'assault' against our second amendment rights!

Second Amendment to The Constitution of The United States of America:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

April 16, 2013 at 12:19 a.m.
miraweb said...

I will be haunted for a long time by the yellow balloon that you can see floating out of the smoke of the first blast.

A very long time.

April 16, 2013 at 12:29 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Is this indiscriminate carnage in Boston really any different than a drone strike into a neighborhood in a far off land. We reap what we sow.

April 16, 2013 at 1:14 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

ORR MEANS MIGHT MAKES RIGHT

Thanks for taking the bait. You can pray for all the mercy and comfort you want. It won't change a single thing. American streets are still flowing with blood while you wring your hands over the possible infringement of the 2nd Amendment. If you're so concerned with the Constitution, where do you stand on the 4th? Seems the neo-cons shredded protection against unreasonable searches and seizures while you tea baggers barely batted an eyelid.

It's okay by you to have more people shot to death in the past 45 years than in all the wars this country has participated in since the Revolution? What is that? The cost of freedom? The cost of freedom and security?

12,000 Americans shot to death every single year.

Some freedom.

Some security.

You live in a time warp. This is not 1776. The British are NOT coming. The French are NOT raiding across the border. The Indians are NOT burning villages to the ground.

Pray on it, brother. WWJD?

Apparently, in your version, Jesus would just reload and empty another clip.

Or set off another bomb.

April 16, 2013 at 1:16 a.m.
jesse said...

Ain't BOMBS against the law?

Like anything larger than a 2"firecracker is considered a bomb. no m-80's or cherry bombs,can't even register a home made pipe bomb to make it legal!

LAWS don't seem to be workin too well!

April 16, 2013 at 2:36 a.m.
degage said...

Miraweb, I'm with you on this, I noticed that balloon too.

Blackie, You almost seem gleeful about this tragedy.

Jesse, Well said.

April 16, 2013 at 6:14 a.m.
fairmon said...

No doubt an act of terror. We have enough domestic nut cases without jumping to any conclusions regarding non U.S. sources. Hopefully investigators given time will determine the perpetrator. I believe in the death penalty and hope the evidence is more than circumstantial.

April 16, 2013 at 6:37 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Orrmeanslight says: “Let us pray that the 'Tree Huggers' will understand that upstanding Citizens of this United States of America have a right to keep and bear arms. . ."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Let us pray we elect representatives who have enough common sense to understand the difference between a well-regulated militia and as Robert Parry says crazy gun-toting insurrectionists:

The reason for the right to “bear arms” was to have citizens who could fill the ranks of “a well-regulated Militia” for the purpose of maintaining “the security” of the states and country. Indeed, the key words for understanding the Framers’ intent are “militia” and “security.” This was never intended as a “libertarian” right to wield whatever weapon someone might wish to own for the purpose of insurrection. Instead, it was meant to support “a well-regulated Militia” responsible for ensuring the “security of a free State. . .”

. . . The struggle to distort the meaning of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights began almost as soon as the two documents were ratified. Though the Anti-Federalists lost the political battle to block the Constitution, they never relented on their determination to reestablish the lost “sovereignty” of the states.

Over the next two-plus centuries, forces that were pro-slavery, pro-corporate or pro-segregationist have sought to dial back the Constitution’s expansion of federal power every time the nation has moved toward a more progressive recognition of human rights. Over the last few decades, the Reagan Revolution succeeded in building a right-wing majority on the U.S. Supreme Court and those five Republicans have essentially rewritten the Constitution in many ways, including changing the traditional interpretation of the Second Amendment.

In 2008, the five right-wing justices threw out the old view of a collective right for the states to maintain militias (or National Guards) and replaced it with a new interpretation asserting a limited individual right to possess a firearm outside the context of a militia. It’s true that even that radical change by the right-wing majority of the Supreme Court detected only a very limited right to own a gun – for protection of one’s home – while respecting the countervailing needs of a society to impose reasonable restrictions for public safety.

However, within today’s era of Tea Party madness, the narrow Supreme Court ruling has taken on a much-broader life of its own. It has encouraged new insurrectionist fantasies among some extremists to the detriment of the lives of thousands of Americans whose lives, whose liberties and whose pursuits of happiness have been cut horribly short by gun violence, including those 20 first-graders in Newtown, Connecticut.

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/03/31/crazy-gun-toting-insurrectionists/

April 16, 2013 at 7:05 a.m.
EaTn said...

Since the Bush invasion of Iraq ten years ago, the tragedy in Boston still seems like a mild day in Baghdad. Innocent lives and limbs over there have been lost and our fellow Christians there have been martyred and scattered. Yet President Bush still claims his decisions were correct, and many in this country still agree with him. Our sincere sympathy goes out to those in Boston and may we see and end to such senseless bloodshed.

April 16, 2013 at 7:17 a.m.
delmar said...

Well said nucanuck, whether it was foreign or domestic.

April 16, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.
anniebelle said...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What part of well regulated do you gun nuts not understand? People like Ken Orr allowed to run loose in this country are far more dangerous than any outside threat we may imagine.

April 16, 2013 at 7:27 a.m.
degage said...

Liberals with guns! colonbine parents were registered dems, as were Colorado movie theater shooter(a Obama campaign staffer and a occupy zealot) Virginia tech shooter sent hate mail to Bush, sandy hook shooter was a registered dem.

April 16, 2013 at 7:44 a.m.
joneses said...

A Bit of History to Consider

December 29, 2012 marked the 122nd Anniversary of the murder of 297 Sioux Indians at Wounded Knee Creek on the Pine ...Ridge Indian Reservation in South Dakota. These 297 people, in their winter camp, were murdered by federal agents and members of the 7th Cavalry who had come to confiscate their firearms “for their own safety and protection”. The slaughter began after the majority of the Sioux had peacefully turned in their firearms. The Calvary began shooting, and managed to wipe out the entire camp. 200 of the 297 victims were women and children. About 40 members of the 7th Cavalry were killed, but over half of them were victims of fratricide from the Hotchkiss guns of their overzealous comrades-in-arms. Twenty members of the 7th Cavalry's death squad, were deemed “National Heroes” and were awarded the Medal of Honor for their acts of [cowardice] heroism.

April 16, 2013 at 8:06 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Liberals with guns! colonbine parents were registered dems, as were Colorado movie theater shooter(a Obama campaign staffer and a occupy zealot) Virginia tech shooter sent hate mail to Bush, sandy hook shooter was a registered dem.

Degage, I can find NOTHING about Adam Lanza's mother except that she was a survivalist, nothing about Adam Lanza himself, nothing about the Aurora shooter except that he was crazy. Virginia Tech shooter was also crazy. Where are you finding their political information? If you want to link politics to crazy shooters, don't forget that the right has its share.

joneses, I suspect that had you been alive at the time, you would not have sided with the native americans.

April 16, 2013 at 8:07 a.m.
degage said...

Columbine in last post spelled wrong. Brain fart. Shouldn't have said that, there will be many that will run with that. Wonder how long it will take.

April 16, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I have to admit, I am surprised this thread has already turned into a 2nd Amendment debate.

anniebelle,

Please check the period meaning of "well regulated".

http://www.lectlaw.com/files/gun01.htm

April 16, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
limric said...

THE HORROR – THE HORROR…..

“When I was a boy and I would see scary things in the news, my mother would say to me, "Look for the helpers. You will always find people who are helping.” :Fred Rogers. Good words from a good man.


Since the ghastly events 9/11/2001, we watched sheepishly as ‘our’ government (from the national to local level) began chipping away at our hearts (our hearts being our liberties) in exchange for the promise of ‘keeping us safe’ from terrorism, foreign or domestic.

Have they held up their end of the bargain? Was that ever the real intention?

We all really knew they wouldn’t. But we need to ask ourselves what we got for this Faustian bargain.

We ended up with a govt. tapping our phone calls, emails, texts and tweets, monitoring our bank, medical and library records, videotaping our every movement on public streets, the TSA sticking their hands down our pants, the Patriot Act, FISA laws, NDAA and AUMF. And so much more!

BOOM! Yesterday Boston.

It doesn’t work does it?

Thus, all of the above must be rescinded. I don't want a bogus promise of safety. I want my stolen liberty back. Now!

April 16, 2013 at 8:33 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Ummm...I wonder who Obama forgot to apologize to, he surely dissed someone.

April 16, 2013 at 8:35 a.m.
patriot1 said...

Could be a spring offensive....Bill Ayers says he wished he had done more.

April 16, 2013 at 8:59 a.m.
alprova said...

I wish Bill Ayers had done more too.

I might be enjoying the company of the two Uncles I lost in Vietnam.

It's quite silly to make any comparison of what Bill Ayers did to what happened yesterday, because Bill Ayers destroyed property, not lives, and we don't know yet who set off those bombs in Boston or why they did it.

April 16, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
tifosi said...

The last mile of the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook tragedy. My guess... some 2nd Amendment nutcase wanted to make a statement.

April 16, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Liberals with guns! colonbine parents were registered dems, as were Colorado movie theater shooter(a Obama campaign staffer and a occupy zealot) Virginia tech shooter sent hate mail to Bush, sandy hook shooter was a registered dem."

I'm going to call B.S. on that one.

Cough up your source(s).

April 16, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The last mile of the race was dedicated to the Sandy Hook tragedy. My guess... some 2nd Amendment nutcase wanted to make a statement.

Dangerous to speculate. Remember how everyone was convinced that Muslims were responsible for OK City? Best to wait and see what the authorities uncover in the days ahead.

April 16, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.
Leaf said...

I'm shocked by this. I can't imagine the type of person who would do such a terrible evil thing. Can you imagine what the father of that 8-year old must be feeling? His son was murdered just because he wanted to cheer on his dad?

But it's also shocking to read some of these comments. Have we become so inured to violence, and so pigeonholed into our artificial constructs of right and left that we only see this tragedy as an opportunity to snipe at the other side?

Wake up! "Our side" and "your side" are just another mechanism of control.

April 16, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
limric said...

I kept thinking as the videos of the blast played over and over last night; that could be a tent in the desert, a mountain house covered in snow, or other places drones love to go.

One clip that zoomed in from above (helicopter shot) showed a couple of massive blood stains. It could be that those were the two immediate fatalities, and I thought, hmm - isn’t that what drone operators call 'bug splat' [actual quote].

Now if that were a missile - launched from a drone - from a foreign power - that took out innocent Bostonians; My wouldn't we be pissed!

Let’s hope that doesn’t happen because that would be horribly unthinkable! Wouldn’t it !!

I wonder how many others can make the connection.


I do have a question maybe someone can answer. Why are there armored cars and cops with M4’s on the streets?

April 16, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"God is quoted speaking directly to Moses in the Bible, relating the Ten Commandments. He spoke to Adam and Eve. The quotes are there and they represent the word(s) of God."

Wow! You now recognize the word of God contained in the Bible which you have repeatedly claimed was only authored by men.

How do you know that the men who wrote the Bible just didn't make up the quotes you now say are the true words of God?

Accordingly, you have reduced the Bible to only the quotes of God and Jesus in the sense of being the will and mind of God.

You must feel free of divine retribution to be a drunk, a drug addict, an embezzler, to have sex with animals or parent or child...... or better, give me your list.

April 16, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Ikeithlu said: “Dangerous to speculate. Remember how everyone was convinced that Muslims were responsible for OK City? Best to wait and see what the authorities uncover in the days ahead.”

Yes, I agree, Ikeithlu. The 1996 Summer Olympics bombing in Atlanta is another example as to why it’s not wise to speculate. As I recall, a security guard named Richard Jewell was mistakenly blamed for that bombing. It took years for the investigators to determine that the real bomber was Eric Rudolph – an anti-government, anti-abortion serial bomber.

April 16, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
dimestore said...

Klebold and Harris were not old enough to vote and there's no evidence of their parents political leanings, James Holmes was not registered to vote, Seung-Hui Cho was a resident alien, there is no evidence of Adam Lanza being registered and his mother was a registered Republican

http://www.examiner.com/article/the-idea-that-recent-mass-shooters-are-mostly-registered-democrats-is-a-myth

April 16, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
degage said...

Wow Leaf, I'm impressed, you managed to put all of us, right and left, in our place and kindly at that. I agree with what you said and must apologize for my part in it.

April 16, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
tifosi said...
April 16, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"I assure you, Sir, that if you can find any direct condemnation of homosexuality by either God or his Son, that I will absolutely acknowledge it."

"And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying," Leviticus 20:1KJV

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13KJV

April 16, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
tifosi said...

Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."

The Beatles are doomed.

Leviticus 11:8, which is discussing pigs, reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you."

There goes UT football!!! OMG!!!

Leviticus 19:19 reads, "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."

OMG... I wore polyester in the 80's! And to think Tennesseans have been cross-breeding cattle for over a hundred years. We are doomed!

April 16, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.
timbo said...

blackwater.....That is a stupid "analogy", and I use the term loosely.

Here is the difference:

Although someone could have used a gun for a terrorist act, it would be a gun or someone armed that it would take to arrest them as the tool.

We would not use a bomb at the mall to kill a terrorist.

Also, being an extreme left wing nut like you are...you don't see the difference in a terrorist act with a bomb and a right guaranteed by the constitution. That doesn't surprise me because that is the MO of the the left.

Lastly, using this tragedy to make a dumb point about guns before the body parts are swept up is tacky. It just shows how dumb you really are.

April 16, 2013 at 11:32 a.m.
timbo said...

nucanuck...Did you think you would get by with that comment?

"We reap what we sow." Give me a break. It is the Muslim Religious Fanatics that won't give this up. Just because we don't support the elimination of Israel we get attacked.

They attacked us first...we have defended ourselves. The person who attacks first does not have the moral high ground. I think our govenment and the people of the US would love these guys to stop the jihad.

It would seem from your obvious hatred of religion you would feel that religious extremists doing violence is a bad thing. I guess you only hate Christians. Muslims get a pass. That's strange since they hate free speech, women, and would basically kill some of these liberal groups.

At any rate, saying that these people "deserve it" before the blood is cleaned up makes me glad you live in Canada. Good Riddance.

April 16, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
timbo said...

nucanuck...Did you think you would get by with that comment?

"We reap what we sow." Give me a break. It is the Muslim Religious Fanatics that won't give this up. Just because we don't support the elimination of Israel we get attacked.

They attacked us first...we have defended ourselves. The person who attacks first does not have the moral high ground. I think our govenment and the people of the US would love these guys to stop the jihad.

It would seem from your obvious hatred of religion you would feel that religious extremists doing violence is a bad thing. I guess you only hate Christians. Muslims get a pass. That's strange since they hate free speech, women, and would basically kill some of these liberal groups like feminists and gays. Pretty strange..

At any rate, saying that these people "deserve it" before the blood is cleaned up makes me glad this country has rid itself of you. I am glad that Canada has to deal with a nut like you. Good Riddance.

April 16, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jesse said: “Ain't BOMBS against the law?. . . LAWS don't seem to be workin too well!”

You sound a lot like an NRA commercial, Jesse. I surprised you didn’t repeat their “good guy VS bad guy” line as well. . . Of course, it wouldn’t have been applicable in this case. Videos of the blasts showed several police and security personnel nearby. I’m assuming these good guys had their weapons. . Oh well, so much for cheap political rhetoric and NRA slogans that don’t reflect reality. . . In the end, it’s another sad day for America.

April 16, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
rogerdodger said...

Wonder if Obummer & his group of clowns will now want to stop all marathon races?

April 16, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
d2edwards said...

The act was so senseless and heinous. Two profiles indicate the bombings were committed by a foreign terrorist organization or a member(s) of the Tea Party.

April 16, 2013 at 12:49 p.m.
degage said...

d2edwards, There you go blaming Tea Party and you have no basis for it, except your bias. I have been guilty here about blaming democrats for things that I am not sure were true but I admit my mistake. It came from an e-mail and I should have checked it out first. When you have proof of the Tea Party being a part of this bring it on.

April 16, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.
jesse said...

M.L. Give me YOUR version of reality!

We got 97 posters on here and we got 40 versions of reality!

I ain't owned a gun in almost 40 years and am NOT a member of the N.R.A.. The ONLY thing that's ever gonna eliminate the violence is the elimination of the human race!THAT'S REALITY!ALL this blather is just that "BLATHER"! Gives all these losers on here something to do to fill up their days!

April 16, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You continued your error with:

"You and I both know that no such quote exists throughout the entire Bible. Jesus did not take up the cause either, and he is quoted numerous times throughout the New Testament."

One disadvantage of a bloviator is that they often repeat the same error:

"And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying," Leviticus 20:1KJV

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13KJV

April 16, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
tifosi said...

Leviticus 19:27 reads "You shall not round off the side-growth of your heads nor harm the edges of your beard."

The Beatles are doomed.

Leviticus 11:8, which is discussing pigs, reads "You shall not eat of their flesh nor touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you."

There goes UT football!!! OMG!!!

Leviticus 19:19 reads, "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together."

OMG... I wore polyester in the 80's! And to think Tennesseans have been cross-breeding cattle for over a hundred years. We are doomed!

April 16, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY Jonross! i drop by on occasion to see what you tards are up to! One thing i will say,you all never let me down!

April 16, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"There you go blaming Tea Party and you have no basis for it, except your bias."

Why aren't you chastising people like timbo or JonRoss for blaming the bombing on Muslims? There isn't any proof that group did it either.

Just another example of you hypocrisy and overt bias.

April 16, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

Absolutely nothing you say is true. You are one lying, ignorant son of a bitch. And I mean that literally. I have reason to believe that your mother was, in fact, a female dog.

April 16, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.

I don't understand how this cartoon starts a gun control debate. But, the U.S. Constitution is not the only constitution to address the right to arms.

The Tennessee Constitution, on the right to arms says:

"26. Weapons; right to bear arms

That the citizens of this State have a right to keep and to bear arms for their common defense; but the Legislature shall have power, by law, to regulate the wearing of arms with a view to prevent crime."

Many states have similarly worded articles in their constitutions. Article 2 of the Bill of Rights was meant to prohibit the newly formed federal government from infringing on the right to arms, not the separate states.

Also, to keep things in perspective, it should be pointed out that Tennessee, initially, had the good sense to ban ministers from the state's legislature, as well:

"Whereas Ministers of the Gospel are by their profession, dedicated to God and the care of souls, and ought not to be diverted from the great duties of their functions; therefore, no Minister of the Gospel, or priest of any denomination whatever, shall be eligible to a seat in either House of the Legislature."

April 16, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Well d2edwards,ya gotta admit, yesterday's domestic IED attack certainly shows the same MOD as Teaparty vitriol.

Jonross, you've been absent as of late. Cobbled together (in the dead of night) some stuff from construction sites and partook of an oddessy to the north have you? You should have used it here in your own neighborhood, it would have caused massive improvements . You could then apply for FEMA aid and call everyone socialists. What a dick.

April 16, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
anniebelle said...

BRP, unlike you, I have known since I was 8 years old what well and regulated both mean. Don't try your juvenile tactics on me or anyone that still has a brain cell left.

April 16, 2013 at 2:31 p.m.
degage said...

Seems to me Easy, you didn't mention that I had the guts to admit a mistake I made in blaming democrats earlier in this thread but chastise me for saying anything to your friends. You my friend are the hypocrite.

April 16, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
smipowell said...

Mr Bennett: Is your mother a "career army officer"?

April 16, 2013 at 3:02 p.m.
jesse said...

I musta missed it BUT someone must have passed out a 10 step guide to being stupd on here !Got about 3 folks on here got walkin around sense and the rest are trying to find their arz w/o a huntin dog!

April 16, 2013 at 3:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Seems to me Easy, you didn't mention that I had the guts to admit a mistake I made in blaming democrats earlier in this thread"

So you retracted a previous hypocritical statement and then made another, equally hypocritical, statement. Do you want a cookie or something? Are you really that oblivious to what you post?

"but chastise me for saying anything to your friends."

I only pointed out your hypocrisy. It has nothing to do with who you said it to. It's hypocrisy either way.

"You my friend are the hypocrite."

You really have no clue what the word "hypocrite" means, do you? You're truly pitiful, degage.

April 16, 2013 at 4:41 p.m.
miraweb said...

This is a giant planet and we're lucky to live on it but there are prices and penalties incurred for the daily miracle of existence. One of them is, every once in awhile, the wiring of a tiny sliver of the species gets snarled and they're pointed towards darkness.

But the vast majority stands against that darkness and, like white blood cells attacking a virus, they dilute and weaken and eventually wash away the evil doers and, more importantly, the damage they wreak. This is beyond religion or creed or nation. We would not be here if humanity were inherently evil. We'd have eaten ourselves alive long ago.

So when you spot violence, or bigotry, or intolerance or fear or just garden-variety misogyny, hatred or ignorance, just look it in the eye and think, "The good outnumber you, and we always will."

  • Patton Oswalt on the Marathon bombings.

https://www.facebook.com/pattonoswalt?fref=ts

April 16, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

I’m going to go out on a limb and counter JonRoss’s contention that, quote: ”No Tea Party individual has ever carried out an act of political violence.”

Until yesterday.

April 16, 2013 at 5:36 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Never let reality get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, JonRoss.

April 16, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"You and I both know that no such quote exists throughout the entire Bible."

Well, I know what you think you know, is not so. I also know that your ignorance and arrogance often go together.

"And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying," Leviticus 20:1KJV

"If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them." Leviticus 20:13KJV

April 16, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Those hateful (racist)Tea-party Christian homophobes should be brought to justice pronto. They are legion. That should be the first place the FBI concentrates their efforts. Using a pressure cooker - sounds like Tea-partiers. Fits their MOD. A Homespun IED.
How quaint.

Gitmo? The thought is an ironic justice - a Greek tragedy.

April 16, 2013 at 6:24 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jesse says: “The ONLY thing that's ever gonna eliminate the violence is the elimination of the human race! THAT'S REALITY!”

I don’t believe anyone actually thinks that we can totally eliminate violence, but we can work to reduce the level of violence that currently exists in the U.S. Don't you agree?

Jesse says: “Give me YOUR version of reality! We got 97 posters on here and we got 40 versions of reality! I ain't owned a gun in almost 40 years and am NOT a member of the N.R.A.”

C’mon, Jesse. My post was referencing the NRA’s rhetoric and I seriously doubt that there are 40 versions of reality when it comes to the NRA’s rhetoric. And if you’re not a member of the NRA, why do continue to peddle their rhetoric? It’s hardly the voice of reason to peddle the rhetoric of an organization that promotes firearm ownership, especially in a country where there is a high level of gun violence. In 2010, over 31,000 people were killed by gun violence in the U.S. Another 73, 505 were treated for non-fatal gunshot wounds that same year.

April 16, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.
limric said...

We call people who do this kind of thing to kill and maim innocent people despicable criminals, and rightly so. But how many of these very same people call them heroes when they do it to women and children - AKA collateral damage/casualties in areas the US judges as conflict zones.

RULES TO REMEMBER:

1: Any nation that arbitrarily kills those in other countries will not have the power to protect its own citizens from same. See #3.

2: We will find a way to blame others and continue to excuse our own governments’ behavior.

3: There will be Blowback.

4: Two months from now, it’ll be summer; very few will be talking about this.

What’s to come?

A) Manage the masses and keep them in fear.

B) Keep tabs on any descent

C) Use A & B to further accelerate the police state, circumvent laws and the constitution.

To wit: Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said security around the country would have to change for large public events, including greater involvement by the federal government.

"This was a soft target. It was not a target that was able to be totally protected," he said. "This particular incident is going to cause the administration and Congress to evaluate our overall security programs around the country, particularly for major events. We can't leave it just to the communities that host these events to provide the security."

A Greek tragedy MickeyRat? How prophetic - how terribly prophetic.

April 16, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Regarding Homosexual Behavior

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

Greetings conservative in The Holy Name of Our Saviour Jesus Christ. Thank You for Your Ministry! Conservative, is it true that when the Old Testament is 'backed up' specifically by Scripture within the New Testament,then, that particular Scripture applies to more than one dispensation? Said another way: When the same subject of the Holy Bible is found in the Old, as well as the New Testaments, then does that Scripture subject apply to more than one dispensation? Here is a New Testament example of Leviticus 20:1KJV:

ROMANS 1:22- "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness,..."

April 16, 2013 at 6:52 p.m.
conservative said...

Hi Ken and thanks. Regarding your first paragraph, you are certainly right.

Although the ceremonial laws were discontinued when Jesus Christ died on the cross and paid the penalty for all of our sins, the moral law has never ceased. Sin 2,000 years ago is still sin today.

Scripture tells us - "Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever." Hebrews 13:8.

The Liberal/lost person/non Christian/unbeliever does not know that Jesus Christ was God in the flesh!

It is almost universally believed among them that God and Jesus are not the same. They often say silly things such as Jesus never commented on this or that and here lately on the subject of homosexuality, not knowing that Jesus is God and when God spoke and inspired holy men of God to write our Bible, Jesus and the Holy Spirit were there as well. God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit! Amen!

"God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,"

"in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world."

"And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,"......Hebrews 1:1-3

April 16, 2013 at 7:38 p.m.
tifosi said...

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

April 16, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
degage said...

Easy, you are so full of you know what, it's brown and comes out your behind.

You do exactly what you accuse others of doing. Hypocrite.

April 16, 2013 at 8:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"Easy, you are so full of you know what, it's brown and comes out your behind."

Your baseless opinion has been duly noted. But we both know who is full of sh!t here, degage. And it isn't me.

"You do exactly what you accuse others of doing. Hypocrite."

No, I do not, liar.

You are truly pitiful, degage. Hypocrisy, deceit and ignorance is your M.O. and that fact is always apparent every time you post.

April 16, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
degage said...

easy, you are a waste. Hate filled and pitiful. I feel sorry for you.

April 16, 2013 at 9:24 p.m.
mosquito said...

I don't feel sorry for Easy, he has so much potential..very comical and always responsive but he is hateful.

And I do believe that the liberals in general on here would fit that description more times than not.. whatever ground you gain in the battle of wits and knowledge and whatever style points you get for debating is lost because only other liberals seem to like you but I suppose its the same way with the so called conservatives...

And I think that this bombing was a set up of some sort..not sure which way...let's wait and see who gets the blame

April 16, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "One disadvantage of a bloviator is that they often repeat the same error:"

One disadvantage of a supercilious religious nutbar is that they don't have a functioning brain to discern what they read in the Bible, nor the fortitude to research what is written for proper context.

"..."And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying," Leviticus 20:1KJV..."

You and I have been through this one before. The entire book of Leviticus was written for and directed to the Levites, the tribe from whom temple priests were chosen.

Has it ever dawned on you why it is that MOST people today do not pay any attention to the mandates found in the book of Leviticus? Because Levitican priesthood selection and the Holiness code contained in Leviticus ended around 70 AD.

Every single one of the edicts found in Leviticus were never directed for lay people. They applied only to those who entered the temple as priests.

And, while it is popular among evangelical Christians to believe that Moses wrote the book of Leviticus, Biblical scholars are almost all unanimous that the book was written long after his time, and that it was compiled over many decades or even an eon or two, and that many hands were involved in its creation.

I gotta hand it to you...you did find a quotation of God speaking to the issue, but it STILL misses the mark as a condemnation of homosexuality today. Of course, and without question, priests were and should have been held to an extremely high moral standard.

What people do behind closed doors was and still is never of any concern by God, as long as it is between adults and is consensual.

But you keep on digging. I'll keep shooting you down in flames.

April 16, 2013 at 10:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

degage,

"easy, you are a waste. Hate filled and pitiful. I feel sorry for you."

I beg to differ. There is no hate in anything I say, but the opinion of a lying hypocrite is of no consequence to me. You are a proven liar and, even on your best day, a hypocrite. And you are ignorant to boot.

I do not feel sorry for you. I pity you. "Waste" doesn't even begin to describe what you have done with your (once) perfectly capable, human mind.

April 16, 2013 at 10:19 p.m.
Easy123 said...

mosquito,

"I don't feel sorry for Easy, he has so much potential..very comical and always responsive but he is hateful."

The truth hurts. Especially when people like degage, JonRoss, etc. hold such deep seeded "beliefs" that are so incorrect, hateful, misguided, or completely wrong. You'd rather call me hateful than someone like conservative, JonRoss, or timbo when their own posts are the epitome of the term "hateful". I wonder why that is? I bet I have a good idea.

"And I do believe that the liberals in general on here would fit that description more times than not.. whatever ground you gain in the battle of wits and knowledge and whatever style points you get for debating is lost because only other liberals seem to like you but I suppose its the same way with the so called conservatives..."

I do not wish to gain any style points in a debate with people like degage, JonRoss, conservative, etc. or have them "like" me. These people believe things that have been disproven over and over again. degage can't even grasp when her own posts are hypocritical. The people I've mentioned and the many other WingNuts that frequent this site will never gain any ground intellectually or in the knowledge department. These people are mentally compromised.

April 16, 2013 at 10:29 p.m.
mosquito said...

" You'd rather call me hateful than someone like conservative, JonRoss, or timbo when their own posts are the epitome of the term "hateful". I wonder why that is? I bet I have a good idea."

You probably don't have a good idea so let me tell you..I don't know anyone here personally, I agree with some of what they say and surprisingly most of what you say but not always for the same reasons..The rub is when it all takes a nose dive due to the name calling I would rather not call anyone hateful and I apologize. That is not what we should be about and today I have failed at that.

April 16, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
EaTn said...

Just finished viewing photos from the Boston bombing. It was an open opportunity for this sort of act--large congregations of people, hype and distractions, foreigners, backpacks and accessible. The on-hand availability of medical personnel saved many. Hopefully, this will be a teachable situation for future events like these.

April 17, 2013 at 6:43 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Your problem is not that you are ignorant and misguided about Christianity and your assertion that you are a Christian in spite of the evidence and your own words to the contrary.

No, you are a practicing atheist who claims to be a Christian and are out to deceive others who know little about Christianity. You are the worse kind of atheist for you set out to turn others away from God and are not content with just your own rejection but want others to reject God as well.

This is why I take the time to oppose you.

God gives you free will to reject Him but you carry it further seeking to instill hate for God in others.

Here is a sample your many wicked, blasphemous comments:

"Did Jesus deceive or lie? One instance in the New Testament seems to offer that he did"

"Thus, the verse you offer up as proof that Jesus never committed sin or deceived anyone, is merely the author's opinion, and nothing more."

" I rejected your brand of Christianity years ago. Nothing is going to change that."

"If you believe the Bible to be 100% accurate in all regards, then you by default believe God to be a mass-murderer."

"My belief that the Bible is not the word of God in no manner is equal to holding any contempt for it."

"I do not fear the Lord and nobody is ever going to convince me to fear God's "wrath." "

"I do not and never will hold the belief that the Bible is the word of God. You will not shame me into such a belief, no matter how many times you try."

April 17, 2013 at 8:43 a.m.
tifosi said...

Conservative said:

"No, you are a practicing atheist who claims to be a Christian and are out to deceive others who know little about Christianity. You are the worse kind of atheist for you set out to turn others away from God and are not content with just your own rejection but want others to reject God as well."

But Conservative forgot:

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

April 17, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
timbo said...

THIS PAGE, WITH FEW EXCEPTIONS, IS THE BATTLE OF NITWITS, NOT "WITS."

April 17, 2013 at 9:28 a.m.
timbo said...

slEasy321....I didn't accuse Muslims first. I was responding to nuckanucks post on April 16, 2013 at 1:14 a.m. It commented that we should expect this kind of thing because of drone strikes.

If you want to get on someone, get on your buddy nuckanuck. Oh, that's right....liberals can do no wrong.

April 17, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"The entire book of Leviticus was written for and directed to the Levites, the tribe from whom temple priests were chosen"

No, No, No!

IT WAS WRITTEN FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL!

In Leviticus chapter 20 where I gave you the quote from God condemning homosexuatily, from the NKJV begins:

"Then the Lord spoke to Moses, saying, “Again, you shall say to the CHILDREN of Israel" then continues throughout the chapter in like manner:

‘Whoever of the children of Israel"

"And the person who turns to mediums and familiar spirits"

"For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death"

"The man who commits adultery with another man’s wife"

"If a man lies with his daughter-in-law"

"If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death."

HAD ENOUGH?

April 17, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
timbo said...

conservative...give the religion a little rest. Your not getting any converts. You just make other conservatives look like we think the way you do. That is scary. Arguing about what color Jesus' underwear was is kind of dumb. There are a few more important thing sgoing on.

Quoting the old testament?...Really?....

Go down to a street corner if you have to preach.

April 17, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
degage said...

Timbo, the reason Easy doesn't get on to his buddies is, he is a hypocrite. He chastises others for not calling out conservatives then he doesn't call out his liberal friends. It's called a double standard for liberals only.

April 17, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Thank you, timbo.

April 17, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
timbo said...

degage...I think you give slEasy321 too much credit. I think he is just nuts. I don't think he has a plan.

April 17, 2013 at 9:55 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"Has it ever dawned on you why it is that MOST people today do not pay any attention to the mandates found in the book of Leviticus? Because Levitican priesthood selection and the Holiness code contained in Leviticus ended around 70 AD."

No, No, No! You as a practicing atheist refuse to understand.

The sacrificial system as the means to approach God ended with the death of Jesus Christ on the cross:

"And Jesus cried out again with a loud voice, and yielded up His spirit."

"Then, behold, the VEIL of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom; and the earth quaked, and the rocks were split Mathew" 27:50-51

" Therefore, brethren, having boldness to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, by a NEW and living way which He consecrated for us, through the VEIL, that is, His flesh, and having a High Priest over the house of God, let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. Hebrews 10:19-22

April 17, 2013 at 10:28 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, unless you can demonstrate that you follow ALL the mandates in Leviticus, you have no business focusing on this one. So, let's have it.

April 17, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Degage,

You still have no clue what the word "hypocrite" means. You're patently ignorant.

Hell, you can't even describe the situation accurately. You're pitiful, degage.

April 17, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative says:

crickets chirping

I'm shocked. Shocked, I say.

He's probably still at Red Lobster.

April 17, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
limric said...

Conservative,

Here is what is twisted and yes, immoral, in your ‘faith’ mentality. If you assume the creator had a plan, it makes us objects in the cruelest of experiments. Where we are created sick and ‘ordered’ to be well. And to supervise all this, man made up a type of celestial dictatorship. Greedy for praise and fealty in all aspects of life, and swift to punish for the original sins the celestial dictator herself bestowed on us - in the first place! WOW!!

Oh but there is a cure isn’t there. It’s salvation. But this of course is only offered at the price of surrendering all critical faculties and thinking. As Carl Sagan said, ”Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence,” but your Christianity amazingly offers none; not even ‘ordinary evidence’ for any of its ‘extraordinary claims.’ NONE!

I ask you: Does it make any sense to worship a deity that takes sides in wars or human affairs? That obviously takes glee appealing to fear and guilt, and our terror of death; Preaches guilt and shame about sex and the sexual relationships. Continuously terrifies children with hell and eternal punishment for their innate inquisitiveness; Scriptures that consider women inferior. And to you this good? Insisting we were created - not evolved, in the face of all the evidence. Does this make sense? These are the fantasies to which you adhere?
”To this effect you have endlessly proselytized and shown your profession of faith. And from it exposed, is your brand of intolerance.” :Eric Hoffer (paraphrased)

No Conservative, we don't require imaginary divinity to know right from wrong. Nor rules administered in tablet form on pain of death to be able to have morality or conscience. No, we have reason; we have Socrates, Avicenna, Plato and our own abilities. All of which are far wiser than your Narcissistic & malevolent god. Shunned should we this fraudulent fear & guilt based dictatorship. For we are well able without it, to discern right from wrong, light from shadow.

What can be asserted without evidence - can be dismissed without evidence. :Christopher Hitchens

I shan’t address this nonsense again.

April 17, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
tifosi said...

I think Conservative is really June Griffin.

April 17, 2013 at 12:23 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"And, while it is popular among evangelical Christians to believe that Moses wrote the book of Leviticus, Biblical scholars are almost all unanimous that the book was written long after his time, and that it was compiled over many decades or even an eon or two, and that many hands were involved in its creation."

NO,No,No!

Moses did write the Pentateuch.

A scholar is anyone who spends much time in any study. Scholars are often wrong and some deliberately lie!

There are atheist scholars paid to find ways to deny the word of God.

You of course being a practicing atheist have gone to these sources. You just copy their lies.

There are no J, P, D documents just as there are no Q,R,S,T documents.

You have written what you believe:

"My belief that the Bible is not the word of God in no manner is equal to holding any contempt for it."

"I do not and never will hold the belief that the Bible is the word of God. You will not shame me into such a belief, no matter how many times you try."

April 17, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
jesse said...

Would someone please explain to me why ANY sane person would get into a dialog w/conservative?I starting to think that his debate partners are just as demented as he is!

It must give them a woody to get on here and beat their head against a stone wall!!

Kinda like trying to "debate" easy! conman tell you you are a heathen and easy tell you you are a moron!END of debate!Periot!

April 17, 2013 at 1:04 p.m.
limric said...

Good point HEATHEN!! Er... I mean Jesse.

April 17, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "alprova, Your problem is not that you are ignorant and misguided about Christianity and your assertion that you are a Christian in spite of the evidence and your own words to the contrary."

Sir, I have written many times that I am not your kind of Christian and I never will be. You judging me makes not a whiff of difference and it never will.

I have spent my life to attempt to not only read the Bible, but to understand what is in it, to the best of all knowledge and research there is out there.

You sit in a church, presumably, and sop up whatever is spewed that you hear, and take it as gospel.

"No, you are a practicing atheist who claims to be a Christian and are out to deceive others who know little about Christianity."

Again, your judgments are not factual.

"You are the worse kind of atheist for you set out to turn others away from God and are not content with just your own rejection but want others to reject God as well."

Sir...it is not myself who turns others away from God. Your condemnations of others do that very well. The God I worship loves all of his children, no matter what they are or no matter what they do. The God you proclaim to love is vengeful and full of wrath and you use him to condemn others.

"This is why I take the time to oppose you."

You are wasting your time. I, and many like myself reject your misinterpretations and those like you are few and far between.

"God gives you free will to reject Him but you carry it further seeking to instill hate for God in others."

Examples? I have not expressed one word of hate for God.

"Here is a sample your many wicked, blasphemous comments:"

"..."Did Jesus deceive or lie? One instance in the New Testament seems to offer that he did"..."

I notice that you failed to quote the relevant scripture I supplied that supports that statement.

"..."Thus, the verse you offer up as proof that Jesus never committed sin or deceived anyone, is merely the author's opinion, and nothing more."..."

Indeed. The Bible is filled with opinions, many of them about God's Son.

"..."I rejected your brand of Christianity years ago. Nothing is going to change that."..."

Don't take it personal. I reject hundreds of other brands of Christianity as well.

(To be cont.)

April 17, 2013 at 1:21 p.m.
alprova said...

(cont.)

"..."If you believe the Bible to be 100% accurate in all regards, then you by default believe God to be a mass-murderer."..."

God himself admitted that what he did was wrong and vowed to never destroy Earth's population again.

"..."My belief that the Bible is not the word of God in no manner is equal to holding any contempt for it."..."

I in fact, love the Bible and all that is contained in it, despite my belief that it is not the word of God. It is a history book. It has lots of wonderful stories. It is wonderful from a literature standpoint.

I take heart in much of what is written, but I know full and well that much of what is written has been altered, mistranslated, and contains personal prejudices by those who have altered original transcripts. I dare offer that much of what has been entered into the Bible is there to exact a sense of control over people.

"..."I do not fear the Lord and nobody is ever going to convince me to fear God's "wrath."..."

Indeed. My God is a loving God.

"..."I do not and never will hold the belief that the Bible is the word of God. You will not shame me into such a belief, no matter how many times you try."..."

Amen.

April 17, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"What people do behind closed doors was and still is never of any concern by God, as long as it is between adults and is consensual"

A typical statement by a practicing atheist. In your atheist world sin does not exist.

Why don't you just state you belief that homosexuality is not a sin? That couldn't be any worse than when you stated that Jesus sinned.

April 17, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

All the arguing aside, I can't help but think about the three lives lost in Boston. I know we squabble and argue here a lot, but we should all take a second and tell someone close to use that we love them and embrace those people. The moments we have with the people we love are fleeting and they are meant to be grabbed and held on to tightly.

I hope everyone can enjoy this beautiful day with someone they love dearly. I wish that for all of you.

April 17, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "No, No, No! IT WAS WRITTEN FOR ALL OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL!"

At the time, that is correct. While it is possible that you are genetic descendant of the Levites, there is only a 4% chance that you are.

You apparently believe that you are one of God's chosen priests, and that's okay. If you choose to live your life according to the holiness code prescribed in books 17-26 that pertains to the Levites, be my guest.

But to use the holiness code in condemnation of lay people is and always has been incorrect.

"...‘Whoever of the children of Israel"..."

Only 4% of the entire world's population is genetically related to the Levites, and most of them have a surname to go with it.

Monica Lewinsky and Mark Lavin both have a direct genetic link to the Levite tribe of Jewish people, unless either was adopted by their parents.

Other surnames of direct descendants are, Levi, Alouwi, Aguiló, Bazes, Benveniste, Horowitz, HaLevi, Halevi, Halevy, Levin, Leviyev, Levita, Lewicki, Lević, Levinić, Prelević, Levit, Lewita, Levite, Levita, Lewitan, Levitan, Levitin, Lewitin, Lewitinn, Levitanski, Lewitanski, Levitansky, Lewitas, Levitas, Leyvik, Leyvi, Levitch, Levicz, Levis, Levitz, Lewicz, Lewitz, Lewis, Leviczky, Levitski, Levitsky, Lewitski and Lewitsky, Levine, Lavin, Lavine, Levinthal, Leventhal, Levinson, Levinsohn, Levinski, Levinsky, Lewinski and Lewinsky, Loewy, Löwi, Löwy, Loewe, Leevi, Leven, Levian, Livian, Benlevi, Liviem,

(holiness codes snipped)

"HAD ENOUGH?"

God no. Keep it comin'. My bazookas are armed and ready.

April 17, 2013 at 1:57 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY LIMRIC?

Have you sank to the level of being the "spelling and punctuation" police?

How the mighty are falling!(nitpickers or egoist's !)

No matter what you think you are NOT in Hunter Thompsons league! Which,if you think about it might not be a BAD thing! Hunters biggest fan was "HUNTER"! LOL

April 17, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "No, No, No! You as a practicing atheist refuse to understand."

If you are going to accuse me of being something, at least have the decency to capitalize it, as it should be.

The word should be typewritten as Atheist, not atheist

April 17, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
jesse said...

Al, I hate to be the one to tell you this BUT the tfp needs to kick you and conman both off this site! You all are KILLING it! NO ONE WANTS to read and deal your bull sh!t!On at least 4 occasions you have stated you were done w/this crap and yet it seems you just can't help your self!YOU my friend are JUST as sick as conman! You are feeding the beast and you must injoy it ,otherwise you would put a stop to it!!

Basically what you are doing is "making a damn fool out of yourself!!"

April 17, 2013 at 2:09 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ooooo, I like being capitalized. It makes me feel, well, important.

April 17, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
jesse said...

Dog gone Ike, YOU got capitalized?Damn, maybe i need to try harder!

WHO do i need to puss off to get this "accomplished?"(quote from an old Niel Young song!)

April 17, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
limric said...

Spelling and punctuation police? What the hell are you talking about you ornery ‘Club footed yard rod’?

IKEITHLU, Smite that nitpicking egoist infidel with your powers. SMITE HIM I SAY!!

April 17, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Bon appetite. Eh John?

April 17, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
Leaf said...

Aaaanyway. "Debating religion is like weighing moonbeams".

Original quote by Leaf. Your welcome. Don't forget the attribution, you scurrilous collection of idiotic blasphemers.

April 17, 2013 at 2:39 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Why don't you just state you belief that homosexuality is not a sin? That couldn't be any worse than when you stated that Jesus sinned."

Oh...I had not made that clear to you yet? Okay, here goes...

I in fact, do not believe that homosexuality between two consenting adults is a sin, with the possible exception existing for those who are direct genetic descendants of the Levite tribe, and then, only for those who enter a higher calling, like Priesthood for example, if they agree to uphold a promise to be morally superior.

Are homosexuals abnormal? Sure. Is it the only abnormal behavior on the planet? Not at all. Abnormal behavior exists in the heterosexual world as well. People do not choose their sexual attractions. They just are and they always have been.

Did Jesus sin? The Bible relates more than a few actions committed by Jesus while he was on this Earth that absolutely would be considered sins by many people, if they were performed today.

Was Jesus perfect and without sin? I seriously doubt it, for he was a living, breathing, human being. The New Testament makes that perfectly clear.

Are God, his Son, and the rest of us held to different moral standards? Quite possibly. In fact, I'll even go so far as to state quite probably.

Are either one of us right or wrong? Who truly and logically knows? You have your beliefs and I have mine. We simply have philosophical differences. Such philosophical differences are why there are so many different religious platforms scattered around the world today.

You have your logic and I have mine.

It's very unfortunate that you simply do not have it within you to deal with alternative religious beliefs. I, on the other hand, have no problem with allowing you to believe a damn thing.

Therefore, it is your problem...not mine.

April 17, 2013 at 2:39 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

There is some really sick idiots on here.

April 17, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "Al, I hate to be the one to tell you this BUT the tfp needs to kick you and conman both off this site! You all are KILLING it! NO ONE WANTS to read and deal your bull sh!t!On at least 4 occasions you have stated you were done w/this crap and yet it seems you just can't help your self!YOU my friend are JUST as sick as conman! You are feeding the beast and you must injoy it ,otherwise you would put a stop to it!!"

Sir, you are free to skip any and all of my comments, if you find them so detestable. I have posted nothing that is in violation of the terms and conditions of this forum.

Read what is written or don't read it. That is your only choice.

I vow to keep my comments to a minimum and I will always respect anyone I engage with, but I am free to post what I want, just as you are.

Do I enjoy "feeding the beast?"

I admit that I do love a good debate and I always have.

I urge you to take notice of one relevant point. I never post first in a new thread. He does it every time.

April 17, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
alprova said...

NFJ wrote: "There is some really sick idiots on here."

I was a bit shocked myself at a couple of comments. Some things are not fodder for humor.

JonRoss is all upset over the trial of a Philadephia doctor who is accused of some rather sordid practices while operating an abortion clinic. In fact, he seems to be obsessed with the trial.

No one, and I do mean no one, who routinely participates in this forum, endorses unfettered abortions.

JonRoss wants to see a cartoon...yes a cartoon about the Doctor on trial.

It is not a particular aspect about the subject that is befitting a comical lampooning, under any criteria.

So, Jon is going to have to pout like all the other people who do not get their way in choosing the topics of discussion in this forum.

April 17, 2013 at 3 p.m.
jesse said...

AL , IF your definition of a "GOOD DEBATE"is engaging conman in an biblical interpretation debate then you are a lot less "smart" than i gave you credit for!AND i had the bar set low to start with!!LOL

April 17, 2013 at 3:03 p.m.
jesse said...

YARD ROD?? Whats that?

Maybe you need to spend some time contemplating the "great grill on the patio" while the ribs be smokin to get back in touch w/ the reality of what be goin down! IF you make any since of this let me know!I'm still a pilgrim on the journey to enlightement also!So far i ain't havin much luck!!

April 17, 2013 at 3:13 p.m.
jesse said...

ALPROVA thinks every body on here is SICK except him!!LOL

Time for a reality check al!

April 17, 2013 at 3:17 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "AL , IF your definition of a "GOOD DEBATE"is engaging conman in an biblical interpretation debate then you are a lot less "smart" than i gave you credit for!AND i had the bar set low to start with!!LOL"

I'll let that sit right where it is.

I really hate to be repetitive, but what you think of me is of no consequence at all. I'm certainly not bothered one bit by whatever level you set the "bar" at.

It's your "bar"...not mine.

April 17, 2013 at 3:18 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "ALPROVA thinks every body on here is SICK except him!!LOL"

Really? What do you base that stupid assertion upon? I have expressed no such sentiment at all.

"Time for a reality check al!"

You first...

April 17, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.
jesse said...

You sit on your self imposed pedestal and look down on everybody on here except easy and feed your since of superiority and stroke your self about how above it you are and turn around and get in the gutter w/conman! Get over your self al ,your just another arzhole lookin to fill up your empty days!

April 17, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
acerigger said...

Now, here's an interesting story; People who believe in an angry, punishing God are much more likely to suffer from a variety of mental illnesses, a scientific study published in the April edition of Journal of Religion & Health finds.

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/04/17/study-belief-in-an-angry-god-associated-with-variety-of-mental-illnesses/

April 17, 2013 at 3:54 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "You sit on your self imposed pedestal and look down on everybody on here except easy and feed your since of superiority and stroke your self about how above it you are and turn around and get in the gutter w/conman! Get over your self al ,your just another arzhole lookin to fill up your empty days!"

I might retort with a comment that you seem to be just another opinionated ass. I don't care what your particular problem with me consists of or what it is based upon.

I don't have any more "empty days" to fill, than you possibly do. In fact, I probably have less free time than you do. I have two days a week that my business is closed and this allows me more time during the day to check in when I am at home.

Feel free to whine and moan some, if that's what you want to do, but don't think for one second that I give a tinker's toot what you think.

I humbly apologize for our conflict ticking you off, but you are not going to goad me or anyone else into bowing to your demands.

Read it or don't read it. I'm as entitled as you are to post whatever is on my mind.

Go pout in the corner for all I care.

April 17, 2013 at 3:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

blackwater48 said...

“Seems the neo-cons shredded protection against unreasonable searches and seizures while you tea baggers barely batted an eyelid.”


Refer to years 2008 & 2009


“It's okay by you to have more people shot to death in the past 45 years than in all the wars this country has participated in since the Revolution? What is that? The cost of freedom? The cost of freedom and security?”

“12,000 Americans shot to death every single year.”


Does the math really work for this claim?

April 17, 2013 at 4:01 p.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Bennett, how about a blood red ribbon with the words "Dr. Gosnell's Toilet" ?"

Proof positive as to why Clay Bennett is the cartoonist around here, and you are a bankrupted...whatever it is that you do for a living.

April 17, 2013 at 4:04 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Ok Fat boy, tell us more about: ”The suspect just arrested for the bombing.” Did you just make that up like the rest of offal you offer, OR…. did just you just make that up like the rest of ‘pungent’ stench you rectally pass as facts. Take your pick. They’re as viable as anything else you’ve ever written.

Thinking of flagging acerigger for his religious bashing are ye. I'd say bash/flag Limerick about his christian bashing, but I'm all that sure you're capable of understanding what he wrote.

April 17, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What part of well regulated do you gun nuts not understand?”


What part of “Its an individual right” do you not understand?

Its the law - Read it - Learn it - Live it.


“People like Ken Orr allowed to run loose in this country are far more dangerous than any outside threat we may imagine.”


Would you really be surprised to know that just as many people hold you in the same contempt?

Its true so when do we start the round up of all the undesirables?

April 17, 2013 at 4:16 p.m.
alprova said...

acerigger wrote: "Now, here's an interesting story; People who believe in an angry, punishing God are much more likely to suffer from a variety of mental illnesses, a scientific study published in the April edition of Journal of Religion & Health finds."

Of course, the first accusation will be that the subjects tested were all Atheists, which in fact were specifically excluded from consideration.

It is an interesting study for sure.

I have little doubt that there are plenty of fire and brimstone kinda Christians taking treasure troves of anti-depressants to keep from totally wigging out.

April 17, 2013 at 4:17 p.m.
alprova said...

Who does this sound like?

April 17, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.
limric said...

YARD ROD?? Whats that?
It’s your avatar you ‘green egg dimpled ball bashing bar hopping bloviator’. LOL!

[”IF you make any since of this let me know!I'm still a pilgrim on the journey to enlightement also!So far i ain't havin much luck!!”]

Umm …what?

April 17, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

“I wish Bill Ayers had done more too.”


That puts you squarely in league, morally, with people that wish Eric Rudolph had done more.

Yes I’m claiming an equivalency.

April 17, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"Sir, I have written many times that I am not your kind of Christian and I never will be"

No, it has only been once or twice. I wish you would incriminate yourself more often. There are no brands of Christianity, just Christianity. You either are a Christian or not, no in betweens.

You could be a Christian, if you decided to, provided God has not judicially hardened your heart.

April 17, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "That puts you squarely in league, morally, with people that wish Eric Rudolph had done more."

"Yes I’m claiming an equivalency."

I see. So you're justifying the murder of people who were absolutely innocent of murder, because he was an anti-abortion proponent?

Eric Rudolph killed two completely innocent people, who were absolutely not guilty of the crime he was seeking to punish. The bombing at the Atlanta Centennial Olympic Park was not performed to punish those whom he considered evil and murderers of children. He just wanted to murder.

Bill Ayers went out of his way NOT to harm or murder anyone. His beef was with a Federal Government that would send citizens of the United States of America, against their will, to fight a battle that was not in defense of THIS nation.

You can claim an equivalancy all you want, but I fail to see one, and I'm sure that I am hardly alone.

Murder is just as wrong for any perceived right reason, as it is for any wrong reason.

Murder is murder.

April 17, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

"I see. So you're justifying the murder of people who were absolutely innocent of murder, because he was an anti-abortion proponent?"


I know you like to pride yourself on being factual which this post puts in serious doubt.

Would you please explain how anything I posted would support your claim? I was under the impression that I was only grouping you with others that can somehow rationalize violence and terror to accomplish their political ends.

However I'm almost certain that you will continue to perform such rationalization when the means suits your particular ends.

Right?

By the way I'm pro-choice prior to viability or the "life' of the mother.

April 17, 2013 at 5:10 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "I wish you would incriminate yourself more often. There are no brands of Christianity, just Christianity. You either are a Christian or not, no in betweens."

I have asked you repeatedly to state which religious denomination it is that you identify with. You refuse to answer. I wonder why.

I believe it to be that you are not as proud of your chosen plank of beliefs as you claim.

The fact is that there are approximately 1,200 differing denominations of Christianity around the world. Each has the common belief structure that they are the only body of believers in God's favor.

So, there's nothing original or unique in what you have to offer on any issue surrounding religion. You're just another religious nut with an opinion.

"You could be a Christian, if you decided to, provided God has not judicially hardened your heart."

Pardon me, but taking advice on what constitutes a Christian from you, is a bit like sitting in a pew for an hour-long sermon at the Westboro Baptist Church on any Sunday.

Thanks, but no thanks.

April 17, 2013 at 5:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck said...

“Is this indiscriminate carnage in Boston really any different than a drone strike into a neighborhood in a far off land. We reap what we sow.”


What other types of crimes are you capable of blaming on the victims?

What about a “provocative” woman being assaulted? You sound the type.

April 17, 2013 at 5:21 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"The God I worship loves all of his children, no matter what they are or no matter what they do. The God you proclaim to love is vengeful and full of wrath and you use him to condemn others."

God loves His creation:

"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not PERISH but have everlasting life." John 3:16

However, those who reject His offer of Salvation through Jesus Christ will PERISH!

Now, either you are right or God is right!

Even most avowed Atheists know John 3:16, how did you miss that in all your years of Bible study?

April 17, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.
alprova said...

Jt6gR3hM wrote: "Would you please explain how anything I posted would support your claim? I was under the impression that I was only grouping you with others that can somehow rationalize violence and terror to accomplish their political ends."

Political? The draft was political?

The issue of abortion has most certainly been fodder for political football for decades, but I truly fail to see forced military duty and the forcing of men or women to be sent to fight in a war, halfway around the world, not in defense of our nation, to be political.

Unconstitutional? Now that, we can discuss.

There is nothing equal about the two. My reason for holding you responsible for what you now claim to disavow, is simply because you specifically used the words, "Yes I’m claiming an equivalency."

So which is it? Is it your equivalency claim or someone else's?

"However I'm almost certain that you will continue to perform such rationalization when the means suits your particular ends."

Look...I know who you are and your attempt at playing nice after being banned is admirable, but you are as transparent as glass.

The end, as you coin it, pertains to the lives that were ended of two of my blood relatives, along with 55,000 other United States citizens who were sacrificed in Vietnam. I assure you that political concerns were the farthest thing from my mind.

Don't presume to believe that you have a handle on why people are opposed or for anything.

The simple fact is that any comparison of what Bill Ayers did to what Eric Rudolph did, is ludicrous. Their motivations for the actions they performed were as different as night and day.

"By the way I'm pro-choice prior to viability or the "life' of the mother."

Then I truly fail to understand why it is that you waded in at all to offer any comparison of Rudolph to Ayers.

I have a very personal reason for my opposition to conscription as a tool used to boost forces being sent to defend foreign nations.

I have no issue whatsoever with conscription being instituted to defend our nation.

April 17, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

“Let us pray we elect representatives who have enough common sense to understand the difference between a well-regulated militia and as Robert Parry says crazy gun-toting insurrectionists:”


So you are posing these as our only options? That there couldn’t be a classification that includes law abiding citizens that have a constitutional individual right to keep and bear arms?

I think you should take the same advice as the anti-abortionist in that the SCOTUS has ruled and there is little to no chance that it is going to be reversed in the foreseeable future. Neither of these are absolutes so the opposition on both issues should accept limited restrictions.

By the way - short of a constitutional amendment the individual right to keep and bear arms will not depend on who you elect as this is not subject to legislation or executive actions.

Right?

April 17, 2013 at 5:46 p.m.
alprova said...

consewrvative wrote: "However, those who reject His offer of Salvation through Jesus Christ will PERISH!"

And your proof that I have ever challenged this...is where?

"Now, either you are right or God is right!"

I have never stated anything contrary.

"Even most avowed Atheists know John 3:16, how did you miss that in all your years of Bible study?"

My God...you are unbelievably obtuse and any and all sense of reason has abandoned your brain, probably forever.

For Pete's sake...please go take a magic carpet ride on cloud.

April 17, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.
conservative said...

next alprova,

You wrote:

"The God I worship"

Yes, but it is not the God of the Bible. You have invented your own philosophical god or maybe the Mormon god from your years of Mormon indoctrination. It is certainly not the God of the Bible, your own words have proven that.

April 17, 2013 at 5:58 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Alprova, I'm glad to see you speak out against all the one-sided negative commentary that the teabaggers are always heaping upon Bill Ayers (your 4:56 post). I get sick and tired of the way the righties today keep trying to rewrite history. He is classified an evil, despicable "terrorist" by them today, and in their minds everyone who protested the Vietnam war is considered to be a draft-dodging coward while everyone who served is a patriotic hero. How conveniently they overlook the fact that Americans who protested that war grew to a massive million people in the streets at one time. The Vietnam war was nearly as divisive as the Civil War was in its time, pitting friend against friend and family against family. We were closer to an outright revolution than at any time since the Civil War, and what Bill Ayers and the Weathermen did was a response to the growing brutality inflicted upon protesters and anti-war organizations by the cops and the National Guard.

He and everyone that was affiliated with the Weathermen - aka Weather Underground - were always careful not to harm anyone. Their targets were carefully chosen and timed so that no one would be hurt. While their approach was violent and indeed terrorist by nature, their intent was not random murder of innocents but rather to make an emphatic point, like you said, against a heedless and militaristic federal government.

There's an excellent video called "The Weather Underground" that gives an unbiased, fact-based view of the Weathermen and the times and conditions that gave rise to them. Bill Ayers is actually more of a true patriot than any of these dim-witted teabagging twits who don't have enough sense to realize that they are supporting the wrong people and fighting against their own best interests.

April 17, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Easy-ette wrote..."I hope everyone can enjoy this beautiful day with someone they love dearly. I wish that for all of you."

XOXOXOXO love you easy-ette

April 17, 2013 at 6:13 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"The God I worship loves all of his children, no matter what they are or no matter what they do. The God you proclaim to love is vengeful and full of wrath and you use him to condemn others."

First: Only those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior are his true children.

Second: The God of the Bible is the God of vengeance on all those who reject His offer of Salvation:

"He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the WRATH of God abideth on him." John3:36

"He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe IS CONDEMNED already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God." John 3:18 NKJV

More to come on the wrath of God.

How did you miss the teaching of the wrath of God, condemnation and hell in all that Bible study you claim to have done?

April 17, 2013 at 6:17 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Jt6gR3hM asks: "So you are posing these as our only options? That there couldn’t be a classification that includes law abiding citizens that have a constitutional individual right to keep and bear arms."

No, it depends upon the classification of the arms that these alleged law-abiding citizens wish to keep and bear. For example, I do not see any need for any law-abiding citizen to possess the kind of weaponry that former General Stanley McChrystal addressed earlier this year. Do you?

"Former Gen. Stanley McChrystal, who led the war in Afghanistan, endorsed strong gun control laws Tuesday on Morning Joe.

“I spent a career carrying typically either an M16 or an M4 Carbine. An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating. It’s designed for that,” McChrystal explained. “That’s what our soldiers ought to carry. I personally don’t think there’s any need for that kind of weaponry on the streets and particularly around the schools in America.”

The AR-15, the civilian version of an M-16 or M-4, has been the weapon of choice in many recent mass shootings —both Adam Lanza and James Holmes used them in Newtown and Aurora, respectively. Since Lanza massacred 20 young children in Newtown, Connecticut, gun control has returned to DC’s front-burner and the president has called for strict gun control measures.

“We’ve got to take a serious look—I understand everyone’s desire to have whatever they want—but we’ve got to protect our children, we’ve got to protect our police, we’ve got to protect our population,” McChrystal said. “Serious action is necessary. Sometimes we talk about very limited actions on the edges and I just don’t think that’s enough.”

http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/01/08/former-gen-mcchrystal-assault-rifles-are-for-battlefields-not-schools/

April 17, 2013 at 6:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Thank you Rickaroo for your post. It says it all.

April 17, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "XOXOXOXO love you easy-ette"

Wow!!

April 17, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"The God you proclaim to love is vengeful and full of wrath and you use him to condemn others."

You are close. The word of God condemns you. I have just provided it for you to read:

For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart. Hebrews 4:12

There is nothing more powerful that the word of God. That is why Atheists such as yourself go to great lengths to try to discredit the word of God.

The word of God convicts, condemns, and changes lives and that is why Liberals/Atheists loathe it.

April 17, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

I believe Senator Claire McCaskill (D-Mo) asks Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano an excellent question. If we consider the perpetrator/s of the Boston bombings a terrorist, then why not the shooter who killed 20 children and six adults at Sandy Hook Elementary School?

“We are so quick to call Boston terror,” McCaskill said. “Why aren’t we calling the man with the high-capacity assault weapon and the high-capacity magazine, why aren’t we calling him a terrorist?”

“I don’t know the answer to that question,” the secretary replied.

“It just is troubling to me,” said McCaskill, a former county prosecutor. “I think both of them, maybe they had identical motives. Just one chose a military-style weapon with a high-capacity magazine, and the other one chose to make a homemade bomb.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/04/claire-mccaskill-terrorism-boston-marathon-sandy-hook-90213.html#ixzz2QlA7nEMf

April 17, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
mosquito said...

"All the arguing aside, I can't help but think about the three lives lost in Boston. I know we squabble and argue here a lot, but we should all take a second and tell someone close to use that we love them and embrace those people. The moments we have with the people we love are fleeting and they are meant to be grabbed and held on to tightly.

I hope everyone can enjoy this beautiful day with someone they love dearly. I wish that for all of you."

Amen-Ra mi hermano, Amen-Ra

April 17, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Con-man referred to John 3:16 (For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but have everlasting life). Many Christians like to refer to that verse as being the very foundation upon which Christianity is based. But I wish to offer some reflections upon it: If God has a "Divine Plan," as you Christians say he has, then everything that has transpired in the world so far and that will transpire going forward, he knows all about it. In his omniscience everything is merely being played out in accordance with his "plan." That being the case, God knew full well that he was not really sacrificing his son (or rather, a manifestation of himself, actually) and that, even if he died physically, he was going to live again after a mere three days and would be reunited with him in heaven, there to live happily ever after. So I ask you, Christians, where was the sacrifice? If he knew all along that Christ wasn't really dying but was simply crucified on the cross to make a point about eternal life, then it was all for symbol and show and there wasn't any sacrifice on God's part at all. What kind of love is it when it's all for show and there is no actual giving up of anything precious? God's "Divine Plan" is nothing more than a silly convoluted game devised by a psychotic, malevolent God with a penchant for blood sacrifice, and John 3:16 is a meaningless verse of hollow sentimentality.

April 17, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
conservative said...

alpprova,

You quoted me:

"Here is a sample your many wicked, blasphemous comments:"

"..."Did Jesus deceive or lie? One instance in the New Testament seems to offer that he did"..."

Your response:

"I notice that you failed to quote the relevant scripture I supplied that supports that statement."

Exactly! Your blasphemy did not support your statement. You left it out also for you know it was a lie and you did not want to make your lie public again.

BTW,NO Christian would make such a blasphemous statement.

April 17, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

patriot1,

I didn't take you for a homosexual, but kudos to you for coming out of the closet!

April 17, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Blasphemy is in the eye of the beholder. When your eyes are blinded by dumb faith, like con-man's, the blasphemy card doesn't have much credence to it. He blasphemes all that is true and good and uplifting in life and humanity.

April 17, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

So much for justice . . . Shame, shame, shame on Corker, Alexander, Chambliss, and Isakson:

“Former Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) skewered senators on Wednesday in a fundraising email sent out seconds after the Senate voted down an amendment to expand background checks for gun purchases.

"Moments ago, the U.S. Senate decided to do the unthinkable about gun violence --- nothing at all," read the email from anti-gun violence PAC Americans for Responsible Solutions, according to the Arizona Republic.

"Over two years ago, when I was shot point-blank in the head, the U.S. Senate chose to do nothing.

Four months ago, 20 first-graders lost their lives in a brutal attack on their school, and the U.S. Senate chose to do nothing.

It's clear to me that if members of the U.S. Senate refuse to change the laws to reduce gun violence, then we need to change the members of the U.S. Senate."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/gabrielle-giffords-gun-vote_n_3103876.html?ref=topbar

April 17, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"Don't take it personal. I reject hundreds of other brands of Christianity as well."

I don't take it personal, you just don't know what you are talking about. One is either a Christian or not. You are opposed to Christian doctrine, you have rejected God's word and that is why you are not and can not be a Christian

April 17, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Let it go, conservative. Why do you even care who is a TROO Christian by your definition and who is not? That is between them and their god of choice.

April 17, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

You wrote:

"God himself admitted that what he did was wrong and vowed to never destroy Earth's population again."

Astonishing blasphemy! What a lie! What a little god you have! Your god makes mistakes. Your god is on your level, you must be proud, puffed up and arrogant. But wait, you are proud, puffed up and arrogant.

You and your make believe god must get along quite well.

April 17, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Mtn laurel says......"It's clear to me that if members of the U.S. Senate refuse to change the laws to reduce gun violence, then we need to change the members of the U.S. Senate."

It was DOA in the house anyway.

April 17, 2013 at 8:53 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Thank You conservative. Even though I have studied the Holy Bible Scriptures for decades, i did not know to compare/contrast ceremonial vs moral law. This opens up a new horizon for me, especially regarding The Holy Trinity and dispensationalism. Our Saviour said there would be very few who are truly Christians. Many 'claim' to be Christians. With humility I say "i do believe You are one of that very small number who will enter the Heavenly Kingdom. I recognize, so-to-speak, Christ's voice through You."

Thank You Conservative. kwo

April 17, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Well, conservative, there you have it. You and Ken are bosom buddies now. Go start yourself a church, our lady of TROOTH and self-righteousness.

April 17, 2013 at 9:09 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Proposed Legislation to ban pressure cookers will fail

American Citizens who have seen Democratic governments abroad fail overnight know it could also happen here. When tyranny gains power Democracies fall to dictatorships. The Second Amendment to our United States Constitution addressed this atrocity that has happened in modern times.

American Citizens will not stand by helplessly. We will not allow our Mom's, Daughter's, Niece's, female friend's pressure cookers be banned by the Liberal Left Democrats! They will never take our pressure cookers, never!

kwo

April 17, 2013 at 9:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yeah, and they will ban backpacks, nails and ball bearings too, right?

Good grief, Ken, get a grip.

April 17, 2013 at 9:20 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

i stand corrected lkeithlu. Oops!

April 17, 2013 at 9:38 p.m.
mountainlaurel said...

Patriot1 says: "It was DOA in the house anyway."

No surprise there since the common decency bar is set pretty low in the current house. But some of us expected more from some of these U.S. Senators. . . Again, shame, shame, shame on Corker, Alexander, Chambliss, and Isakson:

WASHINGTON -- With shouts of "Shame on you!" echoing in the chamber, the U.S. Senate failed to muster sufficient support Wednesday for a gun-buyer background check bill that's supported by nearly 90 percent of Americans. . .

The background check measure -- painstakingly crafted by the bipartisan duo of Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) -- was seen as the key to passing the first legislation in decades to address the sorts of mass slaughters that so recently horrified the country in Newtown, Conn., where 20 children and six educators were gunned down at an elementary school, and in Aurora, Colo., where 12 people were killed in a theater. . .

"Shame on you!" shouted two women in the gallery after the vote. One was Patricia Maisch, who grabbed the third clip from the gunman who opened fired at then-Rep. Gabby Giffords in the Tuscon., Ariz., shooting in 2011. The other was Lori Hass, whose daughter was injured in the Virginia Tech shootings six years and one day ago.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/17/background-checks-bill_n_3103341.html

April 17, 2013 at 9:55 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Proposed Legislation to ban pressure cookers will fail.

American Citizens who have seen Democratic governments abroad fail overnight know it could also happen here. When tyranny gains power Democracies fall to dictatorships. The Second Amendment to our United States Constitution addressed this atrocity that has happened in modern times.

American Citizens will not stand by helplessly. We will not allow our Mom's, Daughter's, Niece's, female friend's pressure cookers to be banned by the Liberal Left Democrats! They will never take away our pressure cookers, never!

kwo

April 17, 2013 at 10:42 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You're truly a moron, Ken Orr.

April 17, 2013 at 10:48 p.m.
alprova said...

I previously wrote: "..."God himself admitted that what he did was wrong and vowed to never destroy Earth's population again."..."

conservative replied: "Astonishing blasphemy! What a lie! What a little god you have! Your god makes mistakes. Your god is on your level, you must be proud, puffed up and arrogant. But wait, you are proud, puffed up and arrogant."

Good gosh, do you ever look in the mirror?

I refer to Genesis 8, when immediately upon the conclusion of the Great Flood, God and Noah had a pow-wow;

20 - "And Noah built an altar unto the Lord, and took of every clean beast and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar."

21 - "And the Lord smelled a sweet savor; and the Lord said in His heart, "I will not again curse the ground any more for man's sake, for the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done"

22 - "While the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease"

"You and your make believe god must get along quite well."

I have to admit, that I scratch my head a bit whenever I read that particular passage, for how is it that any mortal man, alive or dead, can begin to know what is in God's heart, but there it is in the book that you take literally, word for word.

I'd point you to a glaring contradiction of God's promise that is found in Revelations, but I'm afraid that it would make you have a heart attack after condemning me for more of my "blasphemy," so I'll let it lay where it is.

Try to understand, if you are capable of understanding something at all, that I do not blame God for all the errors, misinterpretations, and outright edits that have been made to the Bible.

I love God, his Son, and the Bible. I am indeed a practicing Christian, despite any and all charges by you to the contrary. At the same time, I delve to understand at all times, what is written in the Bible, to the best of all information that exists, because those who authored it have long ago expired and are not here to provide direction and clarification.

You're not going to convince me of a thing that I have not long ago resolved in my own mind, and I have no interest at all in changing your mind to a thing.

April 17, 2013 at 11:03 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

“An M4 Carbine fires a .223 caliber round which is 5.56 mm at about 3000 feet per second. When it hits a human body, the effects are devastating.”


First semi-automatics and now small caliber rounds. What next spit wads?

April 17, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Isn't it amazing what people use in the belief that they are being humorous?

Mr. Orr, making light of the tool used by someone that killed three people and injured 175 others, is not the least bit funny.

Pressure cookers have indeed killed many people, even when used as they are intended to be used.

Maybe it's time they were banned, but not because they were used in Boston.

Why a pressure cooker makes a good bomb container is no secret.

If you set off a firecracker in your open hand, you might experience a burn, but if you set off the same firecracker with your fist closed, you're hand will be blown to bits.

April 17, 2013 at 11:28 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mountainlaurel said...

"Senate failed to muster sufficient support Wednesday for a gun-buyer background check bill that's supported by nearly 90 percent of Americans."


I would say that 90% of the public couldn't give you a coherent description of any of the details of the bill and less than 10% would list this as near the top of their concerns that Congress needs to address.

April 17, 2013 at 11:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova

Thanks for the strawmen and your nonresponse in defence of you claims.

You are attempting to defend the indefensible in rationalizing the use of violence and terror to accomplish political means.

By the way what are theses paranoid ramblings about you knowing who I am beyond my screen name? Are you some sort of super secret internet spy dude?

April 17, 2013 at 11:40 p.m.
alprova said...

alprova

Tu-quoque revived wrote: "Thanks for the strawmen and your nonresponse in defence of you claims."

Your assessments do not matter at all. I thought I was most clear in what I stated.

"You are attempting to defend the indefensible in rationalizing the use of violence and terror to accomplish political means."

If I were subject to be forced by my Government to go and fight in a war halfway around the world, not to defend this nation, I might be inclined to rebel in some manner myself.

Some of you people like to believe that you embrace freedom, but you give it lip service when it comes to appeasing the war machine that has fed off the lives of many of our very own citizens over the past six decades, in some lame attempt to police the world.

"By the way what are theses paranoid ramblings about you knowing who I am beyond my screen name?"

I'm hardly paranoid, but not many people are fooled in not knowing who you are. Your first post gave you away.

You may have toned down your trolling, but your points are just as ridiculous as they always have been.

"Are you some sort of super secret internet spy dude?"

Maybe...maybe not. Everyone leaves a fingerprint online. You are hardly as anonymous as you would like to believe.

April 18, 2013 at 12:01 a.m.
Yossarian25 said...

Classic comment thread peoples!

p.s I come from a country with gun laws and we seem to get on OK.

April 19, 2013 at 3:44 a.m.
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