published Tuesday, April 23rd, 2013

5-at-10: Draft contest, draft questions and Auburn says it's innocent

It's here and it's all happening. We're back on the radio today at 1 p.m. with David Paschall on ESPN 105.1. We're going to have UTC football coach Russ Huesman in studio today at the 1 o'clock hour to get things going.

From the "Talks too much" studios, let's discuss our draftability.

Draft part I

One of the many great things about the draft is the use of words that we would never, Never, NEVER before use to describe football and basketball players. In some ways they are euphemisms to cover up a player's weakness or area of concern. In others, they are code words. Did you hear that? We're using code names.

When you spend an exorbitant amount of time discussing potential or length or athleticism, well, you have a guy that wowed the combined and underwhelmed on Saturdays. It's not unlike getting set-up for a blind date by your buddy's girlfriend and the first thing she says is, "You'll love her. She has a great personality."

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! SAAALLLLL!!!

Think Verne and Gary on the SEC game on CBS would be wowed by great plays or oogling someone's length? Wait, don't answer that.

Seriously, what do you value more, a guy who made plays in college or a guy that tests like a monster? There's a perfect case study this year for that exact scenario: SMU defensive end Margus Hunt vs. Texas A&M defensive end Damontre Moore.

Hunt wowed scouts in Indy. He's 6-foot-8 and 277 pounds and he ran a 4.6 40, benched 225 38 times and had a vertical jump of 34.5 inches. Moore was the biggest bust of the combine, measuring at 6-4, 250 pounds with a 4.95 40 and benching 225 12 times.

Hunt was pretty good against middling competition in Conference USA — 8 sacks, 11.5 tackles for loss and 31 tackles.

Moore was excellent in the SEC — getting 12.5 sacks and 21 tackles for loss and 85 total stops.

Let's say you are the Atlanta Falcons and you need a pass-rusher. Which of these guys are you taking — the guy who looks like a super prospect or the guy who was a super player on Saturdays?

Discuss.

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NFL draft contest

We're sprinting into the third annual the "Feeling the Draft" NFL draft contest.

Winner will get a Masters hat. Send in your entry, don't cost nothing. We are going to continue to reach out to other media-types in town to participate. The first champ of this event was SportTalk's Quake and last year Sir Jeffe won. Well-played indeed gents.

And yes, we have won a couple of our own contests, but the fact that we are winless in "Feeling the Draft" leaves an empty place in our soul. We love the draft. You know this. We are expecting to acquire picks from the SportTalk trio, Wells and Jim Gumm from ESPN 105.1. A slew of the TFP folks normally play along and TV guys are always welcomed, too.

As always, don't cost nothin' to play.

You're entries will have five parts. If there's a tie after the first round, please check back Friday because we'll have a second-round tie-breaker.

Here are the categories:

First player picked:

Titans' first pick:

Steelers' first pick:

Falcons' first pick:

SEC players drafted in round 1:

Here are the entries we have so far (and they go in order of first pick/Titans pick/Steelers pick/Falcons pick/SEC first rounders):

5-at-10 — Joeckel/Jonathan Cooper/Cordarrelle Patterson/Tank Carradine/12

Mrs. 5-at-10 — Joeckel/Warmack/Jarvis Jones/Eric Reid/ 13

McPell — Fisher/Dee Milliner/Cordarrelle Patterson/Xavier Rhodes/9

WarEagle — Joeckel/Warmack/Eifert/Kyle Long/14

ThatIDoKnow — Ansah/Mingo/Patterson/Jamar Taylor/15

TrueFan — Luke Joeckel/Tavon Austin/Jarvis Jones/Kevin Minter/11

OTWatcher — Joeckel/Warmack/Jones/Manti Te'o/12

Fred — Joeckel/Warmack/Lotulelei/DJ Swearinger/11

More to come...

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Auburn fires back

After an emotional weekend in which Toomer's Corner was rolled a final time before the poisoned trees are to be removed, the primary leaders of the Auburn athletic program during the 2010 BCS title run fired back at the recent allegations against the football team.

You can make a case that this is from the files of Brittney Griner coming out, of course. Auburn AD Jay Jacobs says the school's investigation into the story that accused Auburn of paying players and other NCAA violations was "flawed." That's as surprising as kids loving Christmas and Bud Light not going to waste at the 5-at-10 compound.

That said, if you're thinking "Of course they are going to deny the charges," you'd be right. But, Jacobs and former Auburn coach Gene Chizik came out with guns blazing, especially the Chiz, who told reporters, ""When the NCAA left, they didn't find anything that indicated anybody was paid or anybody was offered money. So I'm going to go one step further for all the people that are educated and have common sense. If you don't know how the NCAA works, they're very thorough in their investigations. Let me make that clear: they're very thorough in their investigations. You want me to back that up with fact? I'll name them: Miami, Ohio State. North Carolina. Most recently, Oregon, USC.

(So you're saying they moved out.)

More Chiz: "So how could they come into Auburn and leave and find nothing, and that becomes a one-sentence statement after getting drug through the mud for 13 months? How is that right? It's not right. So my point is that, that was a magical season for the Auburn people, for us as coaches, and all of our players, and it should be remembered as just that and nothing more."

He continued about the ESPN report that there was widespread use of a synthetic pot called spice on his 14-0 team by saying, "Let's use a little common sense here. It's a performance-debilitating drug. So if half of our football team is on it during our 2010 national championship run, how were we performing at a level that was the best football team in the country?"

Of course Auburn refutes the charges. We get that. But for Jacobs and Chizik to come out that hard — and the fact that every source other than Mike McNeil has denied the quotes in the rules-breaking story (side note: If you are going to write a story like this, don't you need the quotes on tape?) — makes you wonder. All in indeed.

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This and that

— Well maybe that explains it. Jason Heyward was hitting in the neighborhood of Spy's IQ — like 120 or something. Monday he had a successful appendectomy surgery. OK, J-Hey, let's get this train rolling. Side note: The Braves were snowed out Monday. We just like typing "snowed out."

— Did you see that a North Dakota TV anchor was fired for dropping th F-bomb on the air? Really, you can't use the F-word? Wow. Who knew? Dude was a rookie on the job — he lasted 15 seconds on air — and came across a particularly tough name. He bumbled and stumbled before pronouncing his frustration. You stay classy Bismarck.

— The mass movement of college expansion may be done for a while. The ACC is close to approving a grant of media rights through the 2026-27 season, a move that would lock current schools into the league because the penalties to leave would be so financially tough.

— The final vote for the cover of the next Madden video game is between Barry Sanders and Adrian Peterson. We'll take Barry Sanders. By a lot. We'll also say that if we're going to rank video game football stars, the top-10 draft board goes: Tecmo Bowl Bo Jackson (by a wide margin), early 2000s Madden Mike Vick, Tecmo Bowl Lawrence Taylor, Super Tecmo Bowl Randall Cunningham, Peyton Manning on every game he's on, Barry Sanders, Walter Payton, Marshall Faulk (with the Rams), Randy Moss and Devin Hester.

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Today's question

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    Houston Texans running back Arian Foster, left, reacts to his touchdown as center Chris Myers, right, congratulates him during the first half of an NFL divisional playoff football game against the Baltimore Ravens in Baltimore, Sunday, Jan. 15, 2012.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Feel free to discuss players who you thought had zero NFL future during the draft who went on to become studs. Arian Foster is high on that list as OrangeGuy mentioned yesterday,

Here's another question we need help with:

We all know Anchorman 2 is being filmed and set for release around Christmas. We're down with that. We heard today that Dodgeball 2 is going to be released. We're down with that, too, as long as Pepper and Cotton figure prominently into things.

Here's out question, in two parts:

What's the best comedy sequel out there? We easily admit that Godfather II is the best sequel, but what's the best comedy sequel? (Non-animated division, please.) We also can all agree that Caddyshack II is the worst comedy sequel, right?

Secondly, which comedy would you like to see have a sequel that doesn't? We've always thought an "30 years after Animal House" could be cool. Or terrible. Pool or pond, pond would be good for us.

Whatcha' got and remember the draft contest and the mailbag.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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Eustice_Chase said...

Just like the undertaker at WrestleMani....EC makes his long awaited return to the Big Stage

NFL Draft Contest...Im in, but I need some time..I hope your ok with that.

Did anyone see UFC on Fox this weekend ? Holy Knockout power...it tied the all time UFC event record with 9 ko's...and best of all..it was FREE.

Best Comedy Sequel Ever.. I am going to Say Uncle Buck 2...What do you mean there wasn't an Uncle Buck 2 ??? Ok, Ill go with Waynes World 2..it was awesome in its awesomeness...we're not worthy...we're not worthy

April 23, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
rustyvol said...

Beverky Hills Cop II and City Slickers II were pretty good. For the contest, I'll go with First player picked: Luke Joeckel Titans' first pick: Jonathan Cooper Steelers' first pick: Justin Hunter Falcons' first pick: Desmond Trufant SEC players drafted in round 1: 12

April 23, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Morning Ten Ring,

Unfortunately, due to the fact I will be at work all this afternoon and no access to streaming audio (assuming that option is even available), I won't be able to listen. However, due let him know that have at least one fan in the DFW area who is looking forward to seeing them take on either La-Monroe, UNT, or SMU.

My questions: Across the board, what key improvements did he notice during spring practice? How well has the offense adapted to Durden's spread? What is everyone EXPECTED to work on during the summer months?

More to come..

April 23, 2013 at 10:31 a.m.
chas9 said...

So is "co'colas" a code word for Bud Lite at your house? Step up, my man. Be bold. Live a little. Try a New Belgium product with some hops in it. Or any local brew from the Terminal. As Richie Havens sang, "Freedom."

Don't know if you saw the video of the just-fired sports reporter. (What if he had to say Mouhammadou to Makanjuola in the same sentence?) But the dude looked really shaky, not ready for prime time. I'd guess it's not the f-bomb that got him canned, he's just not big show material. Maybe you could get him on the 105.1 gig. Just give him a heads up on how to pronounce "Huesman."

Weeds' riffing on the best basketball player from Canada is good stuff. I agree that Cats fans should not count this chicken before it hatches, but if I were Self or Williams, I'd be sweating. I hate conducting business or having any important conversation on the phone. Body language says so much.

I'd argue that Back to School was a worthy sequel to Caddyshack for Rodney. "Bring us a pitcher of beer every seven minutes until we pass out. And then bring us one every ten minutes."

And Clipper Eric Bledsoe is money when it counts.

April 23, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Regarding Gene Chizik's comments, didn't the NCAA royally botch Miami's investigation? And when I mean botch I mean Barney Fife lost the evidence on his way to the committee botch.

Comedy Sequels for consideration. Coming to America (duhh!!!) on the flip side, I thought Nutty Professor II is a heavy (no pun intended) contendor for worst sequel.

April 23, 2013 at 10:59 a.m.
MocTastic said...

Comedy sequels that were good or better? I submit Addams Family Values. I think it was as good if not better than the original Addams Family movie two years prior to it.

Runnerup to worst comedy sequel: The Sandlot 2,a very very bad sequel to a remarkably good baseball movie.

April 23, 2013 at 11 a.m.
titanic said...

Comedy sequel that tops my list is Christmas Vacation and the one I hope to see is a sequel to Hall Pass.

April 23, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
orangeguy said...

Meet the Fockers (sequel to Meet the Parents) did not disappoint. Equal parts thankful & disappointed that Sandler doesn't do sequels. Would've been all over a Waterboy 2, Bobby Bouche does the Draft. A Little Nicky 2 would've forced me to send Sandler hate mail.

Another season of success for Colin Kaepernick and he'll be right up there with Foster for the surprise category. Had potential all along but ran a gimmicky offense at Nevada. Not sure anyone would have picked him to *help take San Fran to the Super Bowl in year 2.

*I realize system & defense were huge parts of that 49ers run to the title game.

April 23, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Wait? Is that EC's intro music?

We did not see the MMA festivities. That's on us.

Welcome back to one of the original 5-at-10ers. Need your entry by close of BIDness Thursday.

RustyVol —

You're in the contest.

JMC —

We'll see what Russ has to say about your questions. Also, Coming to America is an excellent call. And hey, it's not like Arsenio Hall will have a scheduling conflict.

Also, thanks for the DMNs that arrived this morning.

9er —

Yep, Co'Colas are code for Bud Light in most instances. In fact, can't think of the last time we had a straight up Coke.

And we support the fine work the good people at the Terminal do. That said, we prefer the "If it ain't broke, why fix it" philosophy.

MocTastic —

Nice call on Addams Family Values. Each Addams movie is underrated, and the second may be better than the first.

Titantic —

While Christmas Vacation is a classic and part of the holiday routine at the compound, it loses points because of the dreck that was European Vacation. Other than "Look kids, Big Ben, Parliament and the Pig-n-the-Poke stuff, it was bad. Worse than Vegas Vacation, which is saying something.

Orange —

We would have loved Bobby Bouche does the Draft. We love Bouche and we love the draft.

There shouldn't have been a Lil Nicky 1 so you are correct a Lil Nicky 2 would be criminal.

Good point about Kaepernick, who Harbaugh traded up to get in round 2. Can we just assume for the time being that if Harbaugh makes a decision it's the right one.

Deal? Deal.

April 23, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
titanic said...

Draft contest: Joeckel/Lotulelei/Justin Hunter/Jamar Taylor

April 23, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
mrspud said...

Best comedy sequel? Toy Story 2. I'm a bit biased but the best line is from Mr. Potato Head in the car with Barbie saying "I'm a married spud! I'm a married spud"

Honorable mention, Austin Powers, the spy who shagged me.

Caddy Shack 2 is by far the worst sequel ever.

Mr. Spud (married)

April 23, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Jay-

That was fast regarding the DMNs. I mailed those out on Saturday. The material is a hair dated but it is mostly sports columns regarding Elvis's contract and early predictions of the season. The real topical stuff involves (duhh) Josh Hamilton's opening weekend here. The one article that I'm sure stood out was the one regarding the two businessmen (both African American) down here with the throwback Negro League clothing line.

OG-

I'm 50/50 when it comes to Sandler. He's talented but sometimes I question his projects. For every one good comedy (Waterboy, Wedding Singer) or drama (Punch Drunk Love), he churns out 10 "That's my Boy" or "Little Nicky" (which yes, was extremely bad, THANK YOU OG, that I feel I'm not the only one who believes that)

I agree though, would love to have seen a WB2.

April 23, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
TNBuck said...

Two defensive forces were Howie Long and the Fridge from the Temco Bowl. Fidge was unstoppable from the NT position.

April 23, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
fechancellor said...

10 Ring, thanks for cluing me in on your writing. If I were to tackle a project such as yours, I'd consider the performance of Tony Robinson in 1984 Vols-Bama game. T.Rob takes the Vols on his back with two TDs in the 4th Quarter to win 28-27. I was there, and this is most clutch performance I've ever seen in person followed closely by last year's Signal Mtn./South Pittsburg game.

Will you consider a trade for a copy of your book? I have Fullmer's "A Perfect Season."

April 23, 2013 at 1:46 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

120?

Just got finished watching Jack Nicklaus and Gary Player at the Legends of Golf. There's 500 plus watching them. And on the adjacent hole, where the playoff is being held for the Demaret division, ain't nobody but TV watching

April 23, 2013 at 2 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Ah, the old player versus tester debate. I thought at one point the whole Ryan Leaf tested better thus he will be a better NFL QB than Peyton Manning hype might have put this issue to rest. I was wrong. You want good football players, go get a guy that looks good in a helmet and pads. You want guys that look good running around in shorts, go, well...Look, I don't care where you go and I'm not judging anybody.

I'll take a shot at this draft contest. I have a system: 15% research, 5% educated intuition, and 80% wild a** guessing.

First Player: Luke Joeckel OT Texas A&M

Titans' First: Xavier Rhodes CB Florida State

Steelers' First: Cordarrelle Patterson WR Tennessee

Falcons' First: Zach Ertz TE Stanford

SEC Players in the First Round: 14

April 23, 2013 at 2:33 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Great stuff gang.

TNBuck —

Howie Long was excellent. That Raiders team was better than it should have been, because Tim Brown and Todd Christensen were big pass catchers on Tecmo Bowl too.

FE to the C —

Had a hard time tracking down T-Rob. Did do a chapter on Dale Jones vs. Bama in 1985 and Daryl Dickey vs. Miami in the Sugar Bowl that year.

Spy —

We rounded down.

Grateful —

The Peyton-Leaf debate turned out to be obviously was as once-sided as Reagan-Dukakis. There is more than a little guess work invovled.

Thanks for guessing along.

April 23, 2013 at 3:16 p.m.
chas9 said...

Spud's right that Toy Story 2 is worthy. If we include animated. And Shrek 2 was solid.

April 23, 2013 at 3:28 p.m.
sportsfan said...

Jay - just finished watching 30 for 30. Elway to Marino. Loved it. Tom Selleck was an awesome narrator. Didn't realize the rumors about Marino before the draft. I wonder how serious Elway was about the Yankees and how successful he might have been in baseball if the Colts had not traded him. Marino was statistically a great QB, but as a GA Tech friend of mine used to say about Eric Zeier at UGA, "statistics are for losers."

April 23, 2013 at 9:41 p.m.
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