published Monday, April 29th, 2013

5-at-10: Draft review and a monster this and that

We're wearing black today. The draft is done. Sigh.

We love the draft. You know this. So today we put a bow on the 2013 draft. Starting tomorrow, we're moving on and looking at the NBA and baseball and what have you.

Today, let's look at the draft and her beauty. Memories, light the corner of our mind. Misty, water-colored memories, of the way they were... drafted. Sigh.

From the dimly lit and morose "Talks too much" studios, let's all hope that's the final Barbra Streisand reference in today's 5-at-10.

Draft winners

Here are the teams/people that are smiling ear-to-ear this morning:

San Francisco: The league's best roster got better at its biggest position of need and planned for the future. The 49ers had a slew of picks and one glaring hole in the starting lineup, so they packaged some picks and moved up for Eric Reid, the former LSU safety, who will start from Day 1. Plus, the 49ers got great value in round 4 with Marcus Lattimore, and with Frank Gore in place, Lattimore can heal and develop.

Baltimore: Its crazy, but the two teams that made the Super Bowl, may have had the best drafts. That's scary for the rest of the league, considering what the already-deep 49ers added and what the Ravens were able to get. Baltimore added potential starters at four spots, and was able to land potential replacements for departed future Hall of Famers Ed Reed and Ray Lewis in Matt Elam and Arthur Brown.

Cincinatti: Are we in position where the Bengals consistently make wise draft decisions. This is like the Bizarro-World or something. The Bengals grabbed great value with Tyler Eifert in Round 1 and made the most in Day 2 with three potential starters with UNC running back Giovani Bernard, SMU defensive end/freak Margus Hunt and Georgia safety Shawn Williams. Great value across the board, and if they had taken Eddie Lacy rather than Bernard, this would have had the potential feel of an all-time draft, no?

St. Louis: The draft's best blend of value and need. The Rams needed a playmaker and got the best one in the draft in Tavon Austin. They needed a big-time linebacker and got Georgia's athletic Alec Ogletree. They needed offensive line help and drafted Barrett Jones. Safety was an issue, and T.J. McDonald from USC can play. Heck, Zac Stacy in the fifth round may be one of the best steals in the whole deal.

Geno Smith, Jets QB: Dude had to endure the humiliation of sitting in the Green Room through Round 1. It was awkward in its awkwardness. (Side note: Unless you are an absolute Round 1 dunk, don't you say no to the Green Room invite? We'd fire our agent for that little four-hour nightmare.) But Smith was taken in Round 2 by the Jets, which means, he goes somewhere that is starving for a QB, and he goes there without the first-round pressure and expectations.


Draft less-than-winners

Here are five folks who came out smelling from the draft — and not like a rose, either:

Buffalo: EJ Manuel? That is all.

Matt Barkley, USC: If dude had come out last year, he's a top-10 pick. This year, he was the first pick of round 4, and went to an Eagles team that has three athletic QBs already on the roster as they transition to Chip Kelly's fast-break offense.

Chirs Berman: Wow, he was so painful on Thursday night, that the sight of Trey Wingo hosting the rest of the Draft generated high-fives and toasts at the 5-at-10 compound. And any time you can make Trey Wingo high-five worthy, well, that's on you sir.

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    Tennessee quarterback Tyler Bray (8) passes under pressure.
    Photo by Dan Henry /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Tyler Bray and Da'Rick Rogers: As our ace columnist Mark Wiedmer shared today, it was a tough weekend for Bray and Rogers, two former Vols with decorated stats who did not hear their names called during the draft. How they respond to this will be the punctuation on their careers in a lot of ways. If each is motivated by the direct snub and indictments of their off-the-field antics — and those statements were made clearly and emphatically and unanimously by the 32 NFL teams — Bray and Rogers could be two of the great undrafted players in league history. Case in point: Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict, who went undrafted last year after an awful final season at Arizona State, was the best defensive rookie in football last fall.


2014 Big Board

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    South Carolina Gamecocks's Jadeveon Clowney (7) tries to beat East Carolina Pirates's Jordan Davis (78) during a NCAA college football game in Charlotte, N.C., Saturday, Sept. 3, 2011. South Carolina defeated East Carolina 56-37. (AP Photo/Bob Leverone)
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

We all know South Carolina defensive end/man-child Jadeveon Clowney would likely have been the No. 1 overall pick last weekend if he had been eligible to enter the draft. With that in mind here are the 5-at-10's top 10 prospects we'll know way too much about by this time next year. Hey, only 360 days until the 2014 draft.

1) Clowney — A man/child that will only get better as he gains experience against the best conference in college football.

2) Cyrus Kouandijo, Alabama left tackle — Yes, there were a slew of tackles high in last week's draft. That trend will continue next year with Kouandijo, Michigan's Taylor Lewan and Texas A&M's Jake Matthews.

3) Anthony Barr, UCLA defensive end — He's a much better prospect than former Bruins teammate Datone Jones, who was Green Bay's first-round pick last week.

4) Marqise Lee, USC receiver — Brother Marqise, Marqise my brother. Dude can make plays and is polished.

5) Sammy Watkins, Clemson receiver — The man you know better as Joe the Policeman from the What's Going Down episode of 'That's My Mama", Mr. Sammy Watkins is due a monster bounce-back season, and he and Clowney will own next spring's combine.

Five quarterbacks

The 2013 draft was deemed forgettable because of the black hole at quarterback. The 2014 class will be better. Not 2012 good with Luck, RGIII and Co., but better nonetheless. In fact, there could be a hard run on this class, considering that Johnny Manziel and San Jose State's David Fales could be among this mix, too.

1) A.J. McCarron, Alabama — We think his size, experience in a pro-style offense and intangibles will make him highly coveted. Think of this guy as the model of what franchises want; he's the anti-Tyler Bray apparently. Which is example 1 and 1A that if you are going to be a quarterback and get a kooky tattoo, go with the strange chest tat rather than the goofy back tat. Sometimes it's just that simple.

2) Teddy Bridgewater, Louisville — If he builds on the Sugar Bowl showout/blowout he put on Florida, Teddy Ballgame could be top-five overall.

3) Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech — He's a more athletic version of EJ Manuel, who was a first-rounder last week.

4) Tajh Boyd, Clemson — Dude has all the skills and runs a multiple set in Chadd Morris' offense. If he had declared for last week's draft, he likely would have been the first or second QB drafted.

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    Georgia quarterback Aaron Murray throws a pass against Nebraska during the Capital One Bowl NCAA game in Orlando, Fla.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

5) Aaron Murray, Georgia — Doubting this pick? Know this: Dude is a Peyton-level film studier and preparer. And if you need a comparable name, think Andy Dalton, the Bengals starter who was a second-round pick and starter from Day 1, but Murray has a better arm and an 18-wheeler of experience against SEC defenses, also known as NFL-light.

And if you're wondering why Johnny Football is not on this list, well, let's just say we're not sure if he's a more athletic, more accurate Tim Tebow — a very good thing — or a shorter, more athletic Tyler Bray — a very not good thing.


This and that

— Thanks for stopping by Lakers, who were swept by the Spurs in Round 1. That was fun.

— There are sources this morning saying that the Jets, who drafted Geno Smith in round 2, have cut Tim Tebow. Wow, it's hard to think of an experiment that was less successful than Tebow to the Jets? Maybe when the Braves signed Nick Esasky, and Esasky played like 12 games with Atlanta before catching a career-ending case of vertigo.

— We will put all the draft stuff behind us starting Tuesday, we promise. We'll catch up with the

— Did you see the story our UT ace Downtown Patrick Brown did on the fast start to UT football recruiting on Sunday? Butch Jones has jumpstarted the process. Maybe Titantic's pick in the Coach Draft last week was inspired after all, huh?

— The Big Ten has officially realigned and changed its division names from hysterically dumb Legends and Leaders. Sadly, the suggested Slow and Slower or Plod and Ding were edged by the more traditional East and West. So it goes. Here are the divisions: East — Indiana, Maryland, Michigan, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State and Rutgers; West — Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue and Wisconsin. Wow, here's pencilling in Wisconsin in the Big Ten title game eight out of the next 10 years, huh?

— Baseball is a funny game. And that's a big part of its charm. And we'll get more into this of course, but consider the two No. 3-hitters that faced off in last night's Tigers-Braves series finale of Detroit's sweep: Justin Upton is hitting .307 with 12 homers has 21 RBIs; Miguel Cabrera is hitting .375 with only three homers and has 26 RBIs. So it goes. Side note: A semi-big series for the now-struggling Braves starts tonight against the Nationals. We'll be watching after Bulls' practice tonight and may even take to the Twitter (@jgreesontfp).

— Some of you may have seen that our newspaper is going behind a paywall after a set number of visits per month. If you subscribe to the paper, you are already are good. Hopefully you guys will subscribe. We're going to keep doing what we do around these parts, and we'll offer contests like always — hey the Derby is this week, so be on the look out for another contest tomorrow. We won;t be able to say, "Don't cost nothin'" though. Alas. With each change there will be change and then the change will become routine. Wait, that sounded like a fortune cookie. We christen this new site the Flying Wasp, bless this ship and all who sail on her.

— Also if you do not have lunch plans today, Vandy coach James Franklin will be at the UTC quarterback club today at Finley Stadium. Nice get for the QB club folks. Well-played indeed.


Today's question

There's a slew of them, but let's start with some rapid fire opinion:

What did you think was the best move of the draft?

What was the worst?

Who has a better chance at making the NFL, Tyler Bray or Da'Rick Rogers?

Also, how different is the face of Tennessee football if, among all the other debacle-esque decisions, this one had been made correctly: What if Lane Kiffin had stuck with the-UT commit and rising-Clemson-senior/star-to-be Tajh Boyd rather than Bray? Reverse that one too, was any person hurt more by Kiffin's departure than Bray, in retrospect?

about Jay Greeson...

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MocTastic said...

I think Crash Davis was talking to Tyler Bray in the great movie Bull Durham when he said: "Come on, 'rook, show us that million-dollar arm. 'Cause I got; oh yeah, I got a good idea about that five-cent head of yours." Same could have been said to Da'Rick also.

April 29, 2013 at 11:20 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent —

With Nebraska in the West with Wisconsin, it's not as much of a slam dunk as you might think. Iowa isn't bad. Illinois could be good. Minnesota has some history. And then of course, there's Northwestern. I really think Northwestern (as long as they keep Pat Fitzgerald) will eventually make a run at the West.

What is this "set number of visits"? How many do I get? I basically get on to read the 5 at 10, and Mocs basketball stuff, and any other article that strikes my fancy. But if I'm limited, I'll have to be more judicious. How many do I get?

April 29, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
titanic said...

Best move of the draft in my opinion was the Vikes getting 3 very good players in the first round. Worst move has to be EJ Manuel, doesn't it? I personally liked Denver's draft, they got better without a lot of fan fare. I would have to say DaRick has a better chance. Andy Reid is good, but I doubt he can pull that one off.

April 29, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

Best move of the draft? Me not watching it.

Somebody will give D. Richard Rogers a chance. Bray? Not so much. The Nuke LaLoosh of college quarterbacks (million dollar arm. 10 cent head).

Logan Thomas is a more athletic version of Byron Leftwich. He's just not that good.

5, your Cowboys got a potential very good player in the third round with J.J. Wilcox. Dude played one year of defense in college. I also say Orwin Smith will find a home as an undrafted free agent and be a very valuable contributor for somebody (I'm looking at you, Bill Belichick).

And as I typed, the Braves just went down in order on strikes again.

April 29, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Da'Rick will probably be picked up under the radar before Bray on the account he appeared to be "drama free" his one year on Cookville. In reality, both would have been booted to NFL Europe if that organization was still around. Worse case scenerios: Arena League OR CFL.

I am not lik'n the paywall for several reasons:

-It was tried once and failed.

-The current content is controversial. I like the "Five Things You Need To Know" but the "Dumb-Dumb Cam stuff" has got to go. EVERYONE knows the people interviewed are out of towners. Also, I like "What-If" scenerios in general, but as someone with a BA in Communications at UTC who knows a thing or two about reporting, I would never consider (or approving if I was an editor) the use of "newpaper resources" to showcase homemade movie trailers I created because I was bored this past Saturday. (Note: In defense of the 5 at 10 and SoConversation, the discussions/stories have valid points worth commenting. I may not agree with the course of discussion, but there is something for everyone)

(side note) I'll reserve my opinion of Clay's latest cartoon. But as someone who lives in Dallas and respects that building we have on the West End..Not cool Clay..Not cool.

-This city is all about "free" and the "hook-up". Which I really find hysterical living in Dallas where nearly every nightspot and restaurant has manditory valet parking. Which I don't blame on the account the city does not have a lot of well-paying jobs to consider the mere concept of paying for stuff.

-DMN online is on a paywall and it's STILL deep in the red and 50 cents more for a print edition.

April 29, 2013 at 12:15 p.m.
chas9 said...

OK, I'm gonna do it just because I can. On Wednesday, Jay wrote: "Geno Smith is likely going top 10 — and that's amazing in and of itself — and we think Bray has a very real chance to be a better pro. Truly." and Da'Rick will "likely be a third-round pick."

Now Mr. Fiver is far from the only wag who knew less than the pros who matter. And to give the man his due, I like his prediction a lot that next year's big dogs will be A.J. and Teddy.

Serious props to Weeds, who blamed "Just wing it and sling it" Bray's fall to "his overconfidence bordering on arrogance wrapped in stupidity".

The talented Bray and Da'Rick sat alone in the dark while players from Grand Valley State, East Central, Chadron State, Harding, Missouri Western State, and Tarleton State heard their names called.

In fairness to the orange-clad who are hurt by the draft shaft, says today that Tyler and Da'Rick are the two best undrafted players.

Bad draft-related smells other than those mentioned include LSU's Tharold Simon getting his bad self arrested Thursday evening before his hometown Eunice, LA, was to celebrate Simon day on Friday. (He still got drafted.)

And I'd say the whole television production is a tad stinky. It needs more entertainment value. Speeding it way up would help.

Congrats to The Bravos for their part in setting record strikeout marks over the weekend. Jay said it'd be like this.

April 29, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
jgreeson said...

MocTastic —

Tis no doubt about the Nuke/Bray comparisons.

In fact, we'll just make it official, Nuke Bray is in the books, as permanent as his back tat and as consistent as his inconsistency.

Stuck —

Nebraska is right there, too, but what happens when they run Pelini, and they're going to run Pelini in the next few years for being pretty good but nothing more.

And we concur that Fitzgerald is a stud duck. Dude can ball and if we're an NFL team looking for a college guy, he and/or James Franklin are our guys.

As for the meter, it will start soon, and it will be either 8 or 10 stories a month. And that's stories per month, so it's out understanding that if you click on the 5-at-10, you get as many visits to that 5-at-10 as you want.

Titanic —

Love the Vikings' draft. They added the best DT (Floyd), the second-best corner (Rhodes) and the best wide receiver (Patterson). That's a good lick.

If Da'Rick cleans his act up, he'll have a 10-year career. He needs to switch to No. 81 — and tell folks he's the No. 1 pick of the 8th round.

Spy —

Contact is overrated in baseball.

April 29, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Interesting read on Yasiel Puig. Going 97 on Amnicola? It's amazing he wasn't killed on impact if someone had been pulling out. Now if it was on Corrider J, different story. I've done the "mentally I'm going 65 and look down to see my speedometer at 80" scenerio. Still, not good PR for the rising Dodger. D:

April 29, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

97 is average speed on the LA freeways. He'll be driving out there before too much longer.

The most pressing problem for the paper has to be bias toward Baylor, and not enough McCallie or GPS coverage, lol...Really now.

April 29, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
MocTastic said...

With respect the Jets and Tebow I heard Mark Sanchez threw a going away party for Tebow... but it was intercepted and ran back for a touchdown.

April 29, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
fechancellor said...

10 Ring, I believe Berman's performance has much to do with too many NutriSystem meals. Maybe he's eating NutriSystem for women?

From my perspective, the Raiders trading down for a two was the best result. The worst is figuring out who can play.

Bray and D'Rick reaped the fruits of their work, though D'Rick has the talent, if he proves there's more judgement under his dreadlocks than Robert McClain.

Tebow best learn the Canadian National Anthem as I doubt he will be paid to cause any further quarterback controversies in the NFL. Then again, there's still Jacksonville, NFL light.

April 29, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

But groundballs are more democratic.

April 29, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


NICE one on the bias. (My imagination running wild!)

Headline: "Hixson graduate wins Best Actor Academy Award" (see B10)

Headline: "Baylor graduate plays supporting role (aka a waiter) in new Matthew McConaughey flick" (see B1)

Also, Amnicola an't a freeway. It has a several traffic lights. But then again it was Sunday Morning so how many were flashing yellow at that time?

April 29, 2013 at 1:15 p.m.
MocTastic said...

If Tyler Bray and DaRick Rogers were leggos...which ones would they be?

April 29, 2013 at 1:16 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

There was a letter to the editor you have not have seen knocking the supposedly biased prep coverage. For the most part, I rarely see anything in the coverage supporting that view. Winning teams, winning schools, get the press. There was an excellent article about a young lady from Polk County a few days back, and that's hardly the area's wealthiest or most glamorous school.

April 29, 2013 at 1:24 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

Really like the Rams draft. The Titans didn't do too bad either.

JMC - took me a minute to figure out the boring Saturday comment - I usually skip that stuff & go straight to the 5@10- yes 5, you may quote me to Jason on that regarding the TFP pay to play.

April 29, 2013 at 1:27 p.m.
Stewwie said...

I'm enjoying this series between Golden State and Denver. Stephen Curry got hot last night and now they are one game away from the 2nd round. With Westbrook's injury for OKC, I think the Spurs and Heat are now a lock to meet in the Finals. But until then, there will still be some entertaining games to watch for sure.

Jay, (for the mailbag) what would you do about the Lakers' roster heading into next season if you were Mitch Kupchak? The assumption is that D'Antoni is there to stay. But what about Howard? What about the other old guys on the team? Howard made a disgraceful exit yesterday by getting ejected with his 2nd technical and then having words with Kupchak on his way to the locker room.

It will be interesting to see how the new TFP paywall shakes out. On one hand, it's about time that the freeloaders start paying up for the good coverage (major props due to the Sports section). On the other hand, some folks may decide that the free-yet-less-coverage from the other news sources in town is good enough for them. Either way, this is probably the best course of action for the TFP at this time since Mr. Hussman said that the status quo was no longer a sustainable business model.

April 29, 2013 at 1:38 p.m.
Stewwie said...

For the out-of-town folks who only care about the 5@10, you can still get your fill if you do it right. There's only 20-23 weekdays per month. If you get 10 free hits a month on the TFP articles, use 10 of the hits from your smart phone and 10 from your computer at home or work. Bada bing bada boom. Problem solved. 5@10 readership stays the same.

April 29, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Ya think Geno Smith is thinking "Great. I had to wait until the second round. To get drafted by the Jets? Shoulda stayed in school. Even if I was a senior."

April 29, 2013 at 1:47 p.m.
MocTastic said...

What is cost for internet of the TFP?

April 29, 2013 at 1:51 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

If 2011 was Suck for Luck, is 2013 Pound Me for Clowney? I'd put the Jags in the lead. They added to the line, sure, but I think it'd take 5 John Hannahs just to make Blaine Gabbert to the level of mediocre. Dang, he played for Baylor, hope that's not showing bias. I'd hate for a McCallie soccer mom to get after me.

April 29, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
jgreeson said...


Complaints are noted and are fair. We resemble a few of those remarks.

Yes, it has been tried with less than what we would call success. But in today's economic climate, you have to explore as many revenue options as possible. Plus, the web site is better now than ever, and in truth, what other business gives its product away for nothing besides newspapers?

We're information gathers and opinion writers. Hopefully we make you think and feel and respond or we inform or expose or share facts and quotes.

9er —

Weeds' column offered no quarter to be sure.

And yes, we still believe Bray to have better skills and could be a big-time pro. As for Da'Rick, we're planning on sharing a possible (read: fake) predraft interview that may or may not (read: may not) happened to cripple Rogers' draft status.

Laughter —

We get all forms of complaints. You take the good with the bad, and hopefully that discourse helps us shape the coverage patterns of the TFP to where we reflect the interest of the community.

That's our goal at least, and as Al tells John McClain in Die Hard, "Smoke 'em if you got 'em, Cowboy."

As for the parental complaints, we take them all with a grain of salt because in most cases they are deals where parents want better for their kids.

MocTastic —

That's good stuff right there.

Not sure about Legos, but let's view other toys:

Rogers — A G.I. (average) Joe who needed to get a Kung-Fu Grip on reality.

Bray — Play-Doh! (with copyright to Homer Simpson)

As for the cost, it's the same as a newspaper subscription. And if you get a newspaper subscription, you get the interweb password as part of the deal.

McPell —

Thanks for the kind words and the loyalty.

We're going to do what we do and hopefully our great group of regulars will still be regulars.

Stewwie —

That's your idea. And we think they have a lot of merit. Also, we're planning on doing more Twitter (@jgreesontfp) stuff to stay connected to those that are not planning on joining.

As for the NBA, there's a real chance that the Lakers were the preseason favorite to give the Heat the biggest test, and now, less than nine months later with the possibility that no Dwight, no Kobe, the Lakers start next year as a lottery pick.

Spy —

If that's the case, Geno Smith is way smarter than any Wunderlick test.

We tried to have as many senior years as possible at Auburn. Alas, they — school and parents — made us leave.

Great stuff today gang.

April 29, 2013 at 2:32 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

The draft is over and Jay is channeling his inner Johnny Cash, the man in black. I like the 49ers picking Marcus Lattimore as possibly the best story to emerge from this draft. By all accounts Lattimore is a good guy off-the-field and, when healthy, a really good back on-the-field. Well wishes all around for Mister Lattimore.

Stories I won't be sad to bid adios are the constant updates on Geno Smith and Manti Te'o. I think we've all seen that shot of Geno with his face buried in his palm on Thursday night about 137 times too many. As for Manti...Look, I understand there is great human drama involved when a person that never existed ceases to exist, but enough is enough.

A little advice for out-of-towners coming into the Scenic City: If you get the overwhelming urge to drive 97 mph during your stay, perhaps some stretch of road not in front of the Police Services building would be a better choice. Dayton Boulevard perhaps...The cops in Red Bank only run radar about 23 hours-a-day.

April 29, 2013 at 3:26 p.m.
g_rob10 said...

First timer. Like the site. LOVE the "Coming to America" reference! Apropos. Keep it coming.

May 1, 2013 at 1:11 a.m.
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