published Monday, August 26th, 2013

Church should welcome ‘sinners’ and other letters to the editors

Church should welcome ‘sinners’

Kudos to David Cook for his timely thoughts in the Aug. 21 paper on Ridgedale Church of Christ’s decision to oust the innocent family of Detective Kat Cooper of the Collegedale police force, who fought for and obtained benefits for same-sex couples. Asking the family to “repent” or leave the church when there was nothing to repent is exactly the opposite of the love and comfort one expects from the church. Living in the spotlight of public attention since Collegedale’s decision was difficult enough for this family without its own church piling on. Shame on them. Church, after all, should welcome those it views as sinners as “perfect” people don’t need church. Since this church doesn’t, I hope many of its members will henceforth choose another, more humane, church. Meanwhile, I am astounded and pleased with Collegedale, the city of my youth (and a bastion of conservatism) for its courageous and wise decision in granting these benefits. Although there are still instances of cruelty such as perpetrated by the Ridgedale church, there is persisting evidence of a kinder, more tolerant world — now there’s even a Pope who seems to be a humble man of the people. Thank God for nice surprises. MARCIA WALTERS LANPHEAR


City Council needs to take a look at courses

I would like to take a moment to clarify a few things regarding the two city-owned golf courses. First of all, I have done some research and found that both golf courses are self-supporting and don’t use tax dollars for their operation. They keep their fees as low as possible to offer affordable golf to the residents of this city.

I have also discovered that they contribute $100,000 to the city’s general fund every year, and that goes back to when Jerry Mitchell was head of parks and recreation. It makes me wonder why he didn’t explain that to the rest of the council.

I also did some research and found that the Champions Club Tennis Center loses more than $200,000 per year of taxpayers’ money and yet nobody is questioning why the city is in the tennis business. I wonder whose district the Champions Club is in?

The council needs to stop focusing on the only thing the city has that actually generates money and doesn’t use tax dollars and start looking at what the taxpayers’ money is really getting wasted on.

FELICIA KENDALL


Equal rights has been slow process in U.S.

For several centuries, white Americans believed they were superior to nonwhites. Thankfully, in time whites realized the error of their ways. In fact, during the last two presidential elections our country decided that a person who was only half white was the best choice for president. Likewise, for several centuries men believed they were superior to women, which is why women weren’t allowed to vote. But of course, in time, women helped men realize the error of their ways. In fact, it’s possible that in time a woman will convince the nation a “she” is the best choice for president. For many years heterosexuals believed they should have more rights than people who weren’t heterosexual. But as we witnessed this summer, the Supreme Court ruled such thinking un-American. As a retired United Methodist minister, I want to apologize to all nonheterosexuals for the failure of our denomination to recognize you as equals in God’s eyes. The good news is that the United Methodist Church in the United States is in the process of realizing the error of its ways. Soon, all United Methodists, regardless of sexual orientation, will have equal rights.

REV. CHARLES T. NEAL, Signal Mountain

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Church should welcome Sinners ?

Having worked in supervision, I have heard many folks state, "They fired me". After I did my investigation I found that 'THEY' in no way fired the worker. The worker, in effect, fired himself.

Our Lord, God, and Saviour, Jesus Christ has the power to cast people's mind, body, spirit, heart and soul into an eternal Hell. But, does He? Really? Does He?...EMPHATICALLY...NO!!! Those who will spend eternity in a burning Hell, separated from He who is Love, 'send themselves to Hell'. They make the choice to go to a place much more horrible than this earth. They go where there is weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth...where the smoke of their torment forever ascends up toward Heaven...Jesus said in Saint Mark (9:45)"...be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: 46 where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched..." [Notice, You can't even die there!]

Now, for the Word of God which follows, I simply ask that each person decide, not what the Scriptures mean (interpretation), but, how they should be applied in this case.

Jude 1

19 "These be they who 'separate themselves', sensual, having not the Spirit."

Ephesians 5

11 "And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. 12 For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret."

Titus 3

"A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject; 11 knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being 'condemned' OF HIMSELF."

1 Corinthians 5

11 "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat."

August 26, 2013 at 8:29 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The church may choose how do select its members any way it wishes. It has that right in this country. And people who disapprove of its methods have the right to find and support another church.

August 26, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Also, regarding the above, I have asked this question to the Chattanooga Times Free Press:

Question: Should we look to the government of Collegedale Tennessee, or, to The Seventh Day Adventists for the recent pro-homosexual stance of those people of Collegedale, or, should we look to our very own United States Constitution. Could it be said that our U.S. Constitution is actually pro-homosexual, or, that, until an anti-homosexual behavior amendment is passed, that we must join in league with the Obama Administration. Which is it? Either of these choices? Which is it???

Ken ORR

August 26, 2013 at 8:50 a.m.
conservative said...

Ms. Lanphear,

"Asking the family to “repent” or leave the church when there was nothing to repent is exactly the opposite of the love and comfort one expects from the church"

That is a false argument you have put forth. No Christian church would do such a thing.

You may have been mislead by Mr. Cook who falsely wrote:

"What did Kat's mother do that was so criminal? So sinful? She loved her daughter. Her gay daughter"

And by Ms. Sohn when she falsely wrote:

"The mother's sin was merely in loving her daughter and publicly standing beside her as the young woman sought and received Collegedale city benefits for her partner in a same-sex marriage.

August 26, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken, the country is neither "pro-homosexual" nor "anti-homosexual". It is pro-freedom. As in everyone's. As in MYOB. You don't like homosexuality? Fine. Join a church that forbids it and kicks gays out. Your right as an American is to do so. My right as an American is to not be a believer and to accept gays as full human beings.

August 26, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

*lkeithlu

I accuse You of being a 'Freedom Fighter'. You seem to espouse the concept of true liberty for an autonomous entity known as a human being. And, You seem to apply the same concept to organized groups of these humans... kwo

Ps .....................................................>>>***BRAVO!!!<<<

August 26, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr and Conservative have volunteered to be sexual inspectors in the new government they wish to found. Like the prosecuters in witch trials, they can't wait to have women undress so they can look for witch's marks and signs of the devil. Conservative will include an inspection of men in his private chambers as he inspects and probes for any signs of homosexuality while Orr takes photos for evidence.

"Perverts for Jesus."

August 26, 2013 at 8:59 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken, as long as you understand that the right of a church to discriminate stops at their church door, we are in agreement.

August 26, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu i do agree, lkeithlu, I do...kwo

August 26, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin

May I hire You to write a script for a movie, which, I get 50% of the royalties because I will provide the financial backing. Can we deal? You will put most of the all-time-great comedies to shame. I don't know if You have demon empowerment to have such talent of wit, but, it is amazing! This I say with my right hand lifted up as a sign of honor and veracity in statement.

August 26, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Holy rollers can't be happy unless they're hunting witches. Their demonization of homosexuals today is every bit as disgraceful and disgusting as their indulgence in witch hunts of yore. And based just as much on ignorance. They were completely convinced of the appropriateness of their actions back then and they are equally convinced today that God is likewise on their side. At least we should all be thankful that there are laws today to protect their prey from being burned at the stake, but these self-righteous knuckle draggers still manage to make life miserable for gays as they heap their unwarranted condemnations on them and excommunicate them for their "sin" of being born gay.

It will probably take some time yet for the veil of ignorance to be lifted from the eyes of these pious bigots, but they will come to see, eventually, like every other rational person already sees, that homosexuality is not a life-style choice but a matter of genetics. Gay people do not indulge in homosexuality out of defiance, thinking it be somehow more kinky, but simply because they are wired to be attracted to the same sex. They can no more "choose" to lust after their same sex any more than we heterosexuals "choose" to lust after the opposite sex. It doesn't take years of scientific research to see that. All it takes is being objective and freely talking to enough gay people and listening to what they are saying.

If you try to de-program a gay person or ask them to stop acting on their natural (God-given) impulses you are asking them to live their life going against the very grain of who they really are. What these mean-spirited Bible thumping Christians are calling sin is nothing more than people acting on the natural impulses that their God created them with in the first place. Yes, there are many gays who are promiscuous and indulge in sex out of pure carnal pleasure, but if so, their "sin" is no worse than that of straight people who do the same thing. There are likewise many gay people who find fulfillment in a committed relationship, and for them marriage should be just as much an option as for any straight couple.

I don't know what it will take to open the eyes and the hearts of these pious, despicable holy rollers who are stuck in the Dark Ages but all we can do in the meantime is to stand up to their vile actions and injurious accusations against the innocent and hope that eventually they will see that their sin of self righteousness is far worse than any sin they are accusing others of committing.

August 26, 2013 at 11:08 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I will say that whether being gay is a lifestyle choice or genetics matters not one wit.

It doesn't matter to me. There are far more important issues in life and homosexuality is not one of them.

Why people get so concerned over sexual organs is hilarious.

I'm waiting for fundamentalists to start new religious groups in Chattanooga — the Church of the Big Toe, the First Assembly of Noses, and Congregation of Southern and Freewill Hemorrhoids.

Of course, they'll be relying on the Bible as evidence that's what God commands. Praise Jebus and pass the Holy Preparation H!

August 26, 2013 at 12:21 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Paul Newman had a great song in "Cool Hand Luke."

Before we leave today's service, please stand, join hands, and sing.

August 26, 2013 at 12:46 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

No, it doesn't matter whether it's a lifestyle choice or a matter of genetics, but the fact that the fundies would call someone a sinner who was in fact born "wired" to be gay, just as straight people are "wired" to be straight, only compounds the vileness of their accusations and deeds. I think that the very word "sin" is a term that should have died along with the Inquisition and the days of witch hunting. Certainly there are right and wrong actions but to call wrongful actions "sins" implies an absolute with the simplistic duality of good/evil and God/Satan that is obviously a primitive concept that most rational people, freed from the clutches of blind faith, abandoned long ago. Only primitive minded , superstitious people who worship a vengeful God still cling to the notion of sin anyway.

August 26, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Rickaroo said...

No, it doesn't matter whether it's a lifestyle choice or a matter of genetics, but the fact that the fundies would call someone a sinner who was in fact born "wired" to be gay, just as straight people are "wired" to be straight, only compounds the vileness of their accusations and deeds."

You are correct. Some fundamentalists claim that children born with birth defects, mental impairment, deformities and diseases are justifiable victims of Gawd's wrath.

Religious fundies are nature's way of saying WTF?

August 26, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Even if homosexuality were a "sin," why these holy rollers obsess over it while they completely give a pass to other people for virtually every other sin is a mystery to me. I've never heard of a church turning someone away for the sins of robbery, covetousness, breaking the Sabbath, eating pork or shellfish, getting tattoos, or for straight people indulging in promiscuous sex or adultery. The ONLY sin I ever hear these holy rollers complain about is homosexuality. Yet it had only the slightest mention in the Old Testament and NO MENTION AT ALL from Jesus in the New Testament. He did say (for those who believe in his existence) that a rich man who did not sell all of his earthly possessions and give them to the poor and follow him could not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Funny how they never bother to mention that.

August 26, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Please Research 'Identical Twin Siblings and Homosexuality'. The Overwhelming and Conclusive Scientific Evidence Is As Follows: Identical Twin Siblings Come From The Very Same Ovum (egg) Of Their Biological Mother. 100% Of The Genetic Material, From The DNA, On Down, Is Identical. This Would Mean That All 'Genetic' Predispositions Would Be Identical. Yet, One Identical Twin Will Choose (Prefer) The Homosexual Behavior, But, His Sibling Will Choose The Preference Of Heterosexuality. The Overwhelming Rule Is For Each Identical Twin To Choose (Prefer) Different Sexual Lifestyles. If Homosexual Behavior Was Genetically Determined, Then, Both Identical Twins Would "ALWAYS" Be Homosexual. But, This Is Not The Case. We Could Then Begin To Develop Tests To Identify Genetic Tags (Markers) To Help Nations Decrease The Catastrophic Cost Of Treating, Housing, Counseling, and, Otherwise Paying For The Indigent HIV/AIDS Infected Individuals Who Choose (Prefers) The Homosexual Behavioral Lifestyle...kwo

August 26, 2013 at 3:38 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Hopefully This Will Be Helpful To Some Regarding Twin Studies and Copy Number Variations: Monozygotic Twins Are Genetically Very, Very Similar To One Another, Exhibiting Far, Far Closer Similarity Than Any Other Pairs Of Humans. Also, One Would Be Hard-Pressed To Discover 1. When This Occurs, and, 2. What The Results Are. 2. Who Has CNV, and, Who Does Not. Other Comments...From Others! 1. It’s still the case that identical twins are more genetically similar than other kinds of siblings. So if we have a study showing that identical twins are systematically more similar in some respect than non-identical twins, we’re still in possession of evidence about the influence of genetic similarity on behavioral similarity. 2. I'd go further. The case where identical twins are truly identical is a floor, not a ceiling. If identical twins are so similar despite some "copy number" and "mtDNA" differences, well, think how much more they'd be similar if you took even those additional genetic differences away. Unless someone thinks these residual differences are anti-correlated (instead of being uncorrelated) with any differences in environmental inputs - a fairly bizarre supposition - Actually, the case is, that twin studies 'Understate' the impact of genes.

  1. Church teaching holds that gays should be respected but that homosexual acts are “intrinsically disordered.”
  2. approving gay marriage would not only signal approval of “deviant behavior” but would obscure the value of traditional marriage between man and woman in society.
  3. “The principles of respect and non-discrimination cannot be invoked to support legal recognition of homosexual unions,”
  4. "Monozygotic twins are genetically very, very similar to one another, exhibiting far, far closer similarity than any other pairs of humans."
August 26, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Give it up, Ken. Gays are real, they are a natural variation in human sexuality, and they are not a threat to you or anyone else. Let it go.

August 26, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Now that absolute medical/scientific facts/statistics have been provided to loving/caring parents please express your comments/opinions about this 'Gay/Homosexual Agenda Manifesto' directed toward Your Toddlers, etc.: ..................HOMOSEXUAL MANIFESTO ..................... ..............AN ESSAY ON THE HOMOSEXUAL REVOLUTION............... by: Michael Swift Reference. This essay was printed in the February 15, 1987 issue of the homosexual newspaper Gay Community News by Michael Swift, and was reprinted in the February 15-21 1987 Congressional Record.

"We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all-male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep. Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too and only man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand with depth and feeling the mind and body of another man. All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men...." http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/02-102/02-102.mer.ami.lc.pdf [Above reference pages 18, 19 & 20] http://item.liveleak.com/2/view?i=5a5_1256854762 http://www.restoringamerica.org/sexual_revolution.htm "IN BOY SCOUT, GIRL SCOUT, CUB SCOUT, BROWNIES CAMP GROUNDS AT NIGHT" N.A.M.B.L.A.,,,[NATIONAL MAN-BOY LOVE ASSOCIATION] Reference. This essay was printed in the February 15, 1987 issue of the homosexual newspaper Gay Community News by Michael Swift, and was reprinted in the February 15-21 1987 Congressional Record.

August 26, 2013 at 4:17 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

They do not speak for all gays, Ken. If you think that, then Fred Phelps speaks for you. Again, give it up. Being in a consensual adult relationship that is same-sex is a) not harmful to you or anyone b) none of your business and c) not against the law.

August 26, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

There are consequences for many behaviors such as alcoholism, drug use, homosexuality, abortion,obesity, to name some offhand.

Would you be in favor of individuals bearing the financial costs incurred as a result of their behavior instead of others in society?

August 26, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

As long as you treat them all the same, yes. Good luck with that, though. Obesity and alcohol cost society way more than gays.

August 26, 2013 at 6:05 p.m.
conservative said...

Tobacco may be the worst.

If everyone has to pay ALL the consequences of his own behavior wouldn't that be treating them all the same?

August 26, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You will find that being gay isn't really a bad thing. Tobacco, alcohol, obesity have negative consequences. Being gay does not. I don't see anyone being a burden to society because they are gay. Unless they are a member of your particular church.

August 26, 2013 at 6:21 p.m.
conservative said...

Disease and well, diseases.

Do we have full understanding and agreement that we should ALL pay the financial costs for our own bad behavior with no financial burden on others?

August 26, 2013 at 6:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Disease and well, diseases.

Gays are not more prone to disease. That is your overactive imagination. STDs occur in the entire population; if you engage in risky behavior, gay or straight, you are at risk. You are more at risk of disease from tobacco and obesity. Of course, some people have a genetic pre-disposition to some diseases. Even if they live a life style that even YOU would approve of, they get sick. So, how do you tell if it is because of bad behavior or not? Send in the police? How American is that?

Smokers already pay higher premiums. It is a matter of time before insurance companies charge a host of behaviors higher premiums. Should get interesting.

August 26, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.
conservative said...

So, what did you mean by treating them all the same?

August 26, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

You asked, so you must know.

August 26, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Pray, in loving kindness, for all people everywhere.

August 26, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Women account for approximately 50% [Fifty Percent]of all HIV/AIDS cases. “This epidemic unfortunately remains an epidemic of women.”- Michel Sidibé, Executive Director of UNAIDS1

At the end of 2011 it was estimated that out of the 34 million adults worldwide living with HIV and AIDS, half are women.2 The HIV/AIDS epidemic has had a unique impact on women, which has been exacerbated by their role within society and their biological vulnerability to HIV infection. Every minute one young woman becomes infected with HIV, with some countries reporting that more than 10 percent of young women aged 15-24 are living with HIV.3 4 *** http://www.avert.org/women-hiv-aids.htm

Lesbian Suicide is at least 4 (four) times the rate of heterosexual females. Lesbian 'suicide attempts'=22% (twenty-two) compared to 4% (four) heterosexual.<

It's not just in the U.S.

Jesus Christ is no respecter of countries/continents. Sin is sin.

Among young black women -- nationwide -- AIDS is the leading cause of death. At the end of 2010, an estimated 25% of adults and adolescents aged 13 years or older living with a diagnosis of HIV in the United States were women!!!

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/women/facts/index.html

Lesbians DO NOT know if their partner is unfaithful and having sex on the side with an AIDS INFECTED MAN!

Homosexual means Homosexual...Women! Get Understanding! No Carte Blanche for Lesbians.

August 26, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

You seldom give an honest and direct answer to a simple question.

Two homosexuals have anal sex and now both have AIDS as a result. Should they pay all the financial costs for their treatment?

Requires a yes or no answer.

August 26, 2013 at 7:07 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Men Having Sex With Men Accounted For 61% Of All New HIV Infections In The U.S. In 2009. That Number May Be Much Greater Now! While CDC estimates that ONLY 4% of men in the United States are Men Having Sex With Men, the rate of new HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men in the United States is MORE THAN 44 (fourty-four) TIMES that of other men (range: 522 ג€“989 per 100,000 MSM vs. 12 per 100,000 other men). CREDIT: CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL [CDC] (CDC.GOV URL) Anyone Can Choose To Leave This Lifestyle Before They Become A Part of These Statistics! (I Speak This With The Love of Christ Jesus).......Ken Orr The federal budget request for fiscal year (FY) 2011 includes a total of $20.4 BILLION DOLLARS for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the FY 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 BILLION DOLLARS.34 Federal funding for AIDS programs falls into five basic categories: care and treatment, financial and housing assistance, prevention, research, and global spending (most of which goes out through the US PEPFAR program). Of these five budgets, care spending is by far the largest - just over half of the FY 2010 budget was for care and treatment programs. THE MAJORITY of AIDS CARE FUNDING goes out through the federal MEDICARE and MEDICAID PROGRAMS for people who do not have adequate private health insurance. (Innocent American Tax Payers Forced to Pay For Those Who Choose This Lifestyle of Homosexual Behavior). I Do Not Blame Innocent Victims Such As Children and Blood Transfusion Patients. credit: Avert.Org International HIV & AIDS charity.

August 26, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

http://www.avert.org/women-hiv-aids.htm

Women account for approximately 50% [Fifty Percent]of all HIV/AIDS cases. “This epidemic unfortunately remains an epidemic of women.”- Michel Sidibé, Executive Director of UNAIDS1

At the end of 2011 it was estimated that out of the 34 million adults worldwide living with HIV and AIDS, half are women.2 The HIV/AIDS epidemic has had a unique impact on women, which has been exacerbated by their role within society and their biological vulnerability to HIV infection. Every minute one young woman becomes infected with HIV, with some countries reporting that more than 10 percent of young women aged 15-24 are living with HIV.3 4 *** http://www.avert.org/women-hiv-aids.htm

Lesbian Suicide is at least 4 (four) times the rate of heterosexual females. Lesbian 'suicide attempts'=22% (twenty-two) compared to 4% (four) heterosexual.<

It's not just in the U.S.

Jesus Christ is no respecter of countries/continents. Sin is sin.

Among young black women -- nationwide -- AIDS is the leading cause of death. At the end of 2010, an estimated 25% of adults and adolescents aged 13 years or older living with a diagnosis of HIV in the United States were women!!!

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/women/facts/index.html

Lesbians DO NOT know if their partner is unfaithful and having sex on the side with an AIDS INFECTED MAN!

Homosexual means Homosexual...Women! Get Understanding! No Carte Blanche for Lesbians.

August 26, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I tried to delete the re-post but was not able to do so for some reason. i apologize for the re-post. kwo

August 26, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

conservative, a man gets HIV from a prostitute and passes it to his wife. No gays involved (this is the most common way HIV is transmitted-through heterosexual sex) Being gay has NOTHING to do with it. The only connection is that HIV entered the country through the gay male community, so gay men were the most common victim in the 80's. It is not a gay disease. Until you and Ken get this through your pea brains, I am not participating any longer. Your fixation with anal intercourse is disturbing.

August 26, 2013 at 7:18 p.m.
conservative said...

Ken,

I am thankful for you bringing knowledge and awareness about the consequences of illicit sex especially homosexual sex to this site.

August 26, 2013 at 7:21 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

conservative ,.Thank You. I feel a definite obligation to America and all humanity everywhere. kwo

It appears that within a set number of years homosexual and other HIV/AIDS treatment, housing, transportation, wheel chairs, exorbitantly priced prescription drugs, counseling, food allowance, general tax payer paid living expenses may actually break our entitlement funds accounts. Medicaid, especially. This is a frightening prospect and I sincerely plead for people to stop with risky sexual behavior before this becomes a reality.

Ken ORR

August 26, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

My intent was to get you to address the financial costs of any bad behavior, with a yes or no answer and you refused to give a simple yes or no answer.

August 26, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

How can the preponderance of the overwhelming facts be denied. This regarding the extreme burden per capita of HIV/AIDS is indeed within the homosexual community/population. The percentages speak through a monumental megaphone amplified with the power of volcanic eruptions! kwo.......PER CAPITA...Capiche?

August 26, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken, You are using this information to suggest that gays are the ones that should be punished or condemned for HIV. You are using HIV as a justification for your discrimination. HIV is a sexually transmitted disease that anyone can get. It is preventable. If you really cared about gays (which you say but now I doubt it) you would be pushing for screening, condoms and safe sex education, not using HIV as an excuse to discriminate. More gays are HIV positive therefore more gays are infected (in the US). In other countries that is not the case.

I gave you my answer conservative. You just don't read my comments. You see what you want.

August 26, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

~~~~~~~Globally, HIV/AIDS is the leading cause of death among women of reproductive age.~~~~~~~

millions of women have been indirectly affected by the HIV and AIDS epidemic. Women’s childbearing role means that they have to contend with issues such as mother-to-child transmission of HIV. The responsibility of caring for AIDS patients and orphans is also an issue that has a greater effect on women.

http://www.avert.org/women-hiv-aids.htm

August 26, 2013 at 7:38 p.m.
conservative said...

It is really no different in their denial that homosexual behavior is sin.

They want to continue the behavior without being reminded of the sin and consequences.

August 26, 2013 at 7:39 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

7:07, yes or no?

August 26, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Jesus Christ said, "A new commandment I give unto you, Love one another."

August 26, 2013 at 7:46 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

conservative said...

Ike,

You seldom give an honest and direct answer to a simple question.

Two homosexuals have anal sex and now both have AIDS as a result. Should they pay all the financial costs for their treatment?

Requires a yes or no answer."

Two supposed heterosexuals fornicate in the missionary position (God's favorite position) and have Conservative as a result.

Should society:

  1. Pay Conservative's parents not to have sex again since that other time the condom broke?

  2. Pay for Conservative's treatment of his severe mental health issues?

  3. Sterilize Conservative to stop the spread of Fundamentalism Disease (not that anyone's likely to be contaminated unless in a coma)?

  4. Give Conservative a cable show on Comedy Central?

  5. Elect Conservative Queen of the May for the next Gay Pride march?

Show Conservative something other than gay porn? It may help stop his failing eyesight, though his right arm looks like Popeye's.

  1. Give Conservative his own special cross on East 23rd Street? He's already has his own sandals, flowing robe, and a collapsible Crown O' Thorns. Martyrdom not included.

  2. Give Conservative free laundry cleaning for his white sheets with the eye-holes?

  3. Neuter Conservative by lacing his prune juice with . . . never mind, who would want to have his kid?

  4. Send Conservative to New Guinea to convert the headhunters? It would get him out of his Mom's basement, but may scare dogs and young children.

  5. Just continue to laugh at Conservative's theology? Remember, we're not laughing with Conservative, we're laughing at him.

So many choices.

August 26, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Jesus Christ, The Lord God of Hosts has warned people to not do what they are doing...now comes the consequences of disobedience. One cannot play chess with Jesus Christ and win. One will 'ALWAYS' lose.

If the disobedient chooses to disregard the welfare of the good folks of this nation, then please, I implore You, get screening, use condoms and other possible protections and keep Yourselves educated regarding what You are doing to Yourself and others. Please!

Especially:......Moms !! How could You? Your baby will begin this life with a horrible disease (HIV-to-AIDS) that You purposely give to Your precious one. STOP IT!

Ken ORR

August 26, 2013 at 7:54 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

MOTHERS !!

Your Creator Jesus Christ sees You. He 'sees' You. STOP IT ! NOW ! Mothers. These are Your Children, Your flesh and blood. They are innocent !! Stop being a.......well, I'm a Christian Gentleman and i won't say it, but STOP IT !!

At the end of 2009, an estimated 10,834 persons who were diagnosed with HIV when they were younger than 13 years were living in the 46 states . Of the total, 9,522 (88%) of these persons acquired HIV perinatally (Just before, or, just after birth). Of these diagnoses of perinatal HIV infection, 63% were in blacks/African Americans, 22% were in Hispanics/Latinos,2 and 13% were in whites. These numbers include persons of all ages who were infected with HIV as children. The number of women with HIV giving birth in the United States increased approximately 30%, from 6,000 in yr. 2000 to 8,700 in 2006.

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/risk/gender/pregnantwomen/facts/index.html

August 26, 2013 at 9:34 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

MOTHERS !!

Your Creator Jesus Christ sees You. He 'sees' You. STOP IT ! NOW ! Mothers. "

As as Jehovah's personal photographer, Orr is peeking into your bedroom, taking photographs because God is busy trying to figure out where He went wrong with Tim Tebow.

So stop those acts of perversion until Orr can get a better angle.

August 26, 2013 at 10:25 p.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

"HIV is a sexually transmitted disease that anyone can get"

Do you have HIV?

August 27, 2013 at 7:39 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

None of your business, conservative. Refute my post or STFU.

August 27, 2013 at 7:47 a.m.
conservative said...

Ike,

"HIV is a sexually transmitted disease that anyone can get"

Do you have HIV?

August 27, 2013 at 8:03 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I would not answer that question even if you were my employer. I have flagged it, as it is totally inappropriate.

August 27, 2013 at 8:06 a.m.
conservative said...

It is your statement, your words, your contention:

"HIV is a sexually transmitted disease that anyone can get"

Do you have HIV?

August 27, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

flagged

August 27, 2013 at 8:30 a.m.
conservative said...

flagged is not a yes or no.

August 27, 2013 at 8:47 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

flagged again, now for harrassment

August 27, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
conservative said...

why won't you answer the question?

August 27, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I told you it was none of your business. Flagged again.

August 27, 2013 at 9:09 a.m.
conservative said...

"HIV is a sexually transmitted disease that anyone can get"

That statement is wrong and that is why you won't answer the question.

August 27, 2013 at 9:41 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

flagged again. And my statement is correct.

August 27, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
conservative said...

flagged? what does that even mean?

August 27, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
conservative said...
August 27, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

http://genetics.thetech.org/original_news/news13

Since the 1980s many people have been afflicted with AIDS, caused by the virus HIV (human immunodeficiency virus). However, not everyone who is exposed to the virus gets sick. Scientists have carefully studied people who seem resistant to HIV infection. What's going on?

The answer comes from an understanding of how HIV interacts with our cells. HIV, like all viruses, can't make new copies of itself without help. It needs to enter cells and use their machinery to reproduce and spread throughout the body.

Many people who are resistant to HIV have a mutation in the CCR5 gene called CCR5-delta32. The CCR5-delta32 mutation results in a smaller protein that isn't on the outside of the cell anymore. Most forms of HIV cannot infect cells if there is no CCR5 on the surface.

People with two copies of the CCR5 delta32 gene (inherited from both parents) are virtually immune to HIV infection. This occurs in about 1% of Caucasian people.

August 27, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

So I guess conservative knows that he carries two copies of this gene and is therefore immune. The rest of us can contract it if exposed, gay or straight.

August 28, 2013 at 7:41 a.m.
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