published Monday, December 2nd, 2013

5-at-10

Well, hope this finds you with a limited case of the Mondays — although after the extended holiday weekend and the feast of football that was overwhelming and outstanding, if you are a little sluggish this morning, we get it.

This afternoon, the reboot of Press Row, our radio show with TFP ace David Paschall, will return to 105.1 FM at 3 p.m. We're grateful for the chance and for all the support from all corners and the patience from all of you who have requested the show be restarted. Thanks for the support and give us a call — we're pretty certain a certain football rivalry that sounds like Myron Stoll will come it.

Anyhoo, let's do work.

From the "Talks too much" studios, we got a long way to go and a short time to get there.

Iron Bowl magic

Yes that happened.

Because of our connection to the Iron Bowl, Saturday became one of those sports moments that we'll forever remember where we were when Chris Davis went 108 yards with a missed field goal to stun the college football world.

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    Auburn cornerback Chris Davis (11) returns a field goal attempt over 100 yards to beat Alabama during their NCAA college football game in Auburn, Ala., Saturday, Nov. 30, 2013. Auburn beat Alabama 34-28.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

The game has been hashed and debated and plucked to unforeseen levels — it was the topic of the first 30 minutes of the Sunday morning SportsCenter with a full day of NFL on tap for crying outloud.

Still the questions are as numerous as the "Oh. My. Goodness. — copyright Verne Lundquist" moments from Auburn's 34-28 win over the unbeaten and top-ranked Alabama Crimson Tide.

The lasting images — the realization that Auburn was actually going to win, the stunned looked of confusion on the stoic face of Nick Saban, who has been perfection's guardian and looked unsure how to react when his team imperfectly handled Auburn's perfect return, the scene on the Jordan-Hare turf afterward that served as the postcard for the complete and improbable 180 Gus Malzahn has turned the Auburn program, which was 0-8 in the SEC this time last year and is headed to the SEC title game et al. — will forever be a part of the latest installment in the greatest rivalry in college sports. It was unbelievable and still somewhat expected in a rivalry — and a magical Auburn run in 2013 — that has been defined by expecting the unbelievable.

But the lasting ripples still can be felt through this week and will reach high tide next Sunday when the final BCS standings reveal the two teams that will play for the national title.

Currently, FSU and THE Ohio State have the inside track for the invites to the final BCS.

(And before we go much further, let's examine how mucked up the future playoff that starts next year would be in this same scenario. Next year, the top 4 according to the BCS selection committee make the field, that would appear to be FSU, Ohio State, the SEC champion and Alabama. Which makes some sense and can be reasoned that those are at least by resume, the best four in the country. But would happen if the Auburn magic that carried the Tigers to late come-from-behind wins with an Immaculate Deflection and Returning Back the Tide runs out against Missouri? That means the Iron Bowl would have meant very little in determining the national title, and if the new system is going to devalue the best regular season in all of sports, then we are against. So against it in fact, I'd prefer the old-school bowl match-ups from the mid-1980s to anything that would potentially damage the magic and purity that is and has been Saturday like this past one.)

In truth, the desired, 'fixed' system that is slated for next year would put the No. 1 team against the No. 4 team in a national semifinal, something that in truth just happened when fourth-ranked Auburn beat top-ranked Alabama. But that's for next year.

We are dealing with the here and now, and the now has the polls and the computers claiming that Ohio State is better and more deserving a title shot than Auburn. Hogwash.

What's Ohio State's best win, a sluggish seven-point win over Wisconsin, which lost to Penn State on Saturday? Ohio State surrendered 600-plus yards Saturday to a Michigan team that has lost five games. If you are saying, "Yeah, well, Ohio State is unbeaten and Auburn lost at LSU at night in a monsoon in September," then where in unbeaten Nothern Illinois on your ballot? (And we can all agree that LSU would be a slight favorite over Ohio State in Baton Rouge, right?)

Granted, the final Saturday will have a lot to say about this because of the challenges ahead and the fact that the final impression is almost always the strongest. And in truth, with the SEC's run of dominance, we believe Missouri beating Auburn should be enough to get it to the title game. Missouri likely would fall short because, despite its amazing run — Mizzou's only loss was in overtime to South Carolina after leading 17-0 in the fourth quarter and the Tigers have led every opponent save Texas A&M by at least 17 points in the fourth quarter — Mizzou does not have the resume-clinching win over Alabama. Auburn does.

Ohio State will face Michigan State in the Big Ten title game Saturday night, right about the time the Tigers and the Tigers decide who wins the SEC.

Man, magical meets maniacal. PUre joy meets pure speculation. In a lot of ways, it's fitting that the BCS leaves this mess in its wake, right?

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Other college football rewind

It was a magnificent weekend of college football. Sublime even. (Side qustion: Why did sublime catch on? Does 'Sublemon' not have a strong enough PR team. And if you picked a 7-Up rather than a Sprite, whould that be a 'Sub Lemon-Lime' in the grand scheme of things?"

The Iron Bowl deserves its own entry, and it got it of course. Let's go to the recaps:

— Lost in the magnificent and unforgettable final second of the Iron Bowl was that Tre Mason rushed for 164 yards against an Alabama defense that had stonewalled the run all year and that Nick Marshall's tricky run-pass option TD pass to Sammie Coates to tie the game was top shelf.

— Fab 4-plus-1 picks went a troubling 4-6 last week, and are 48-37-1 against the number this year. It was worth the loss of entertainment because of the volume of entertainment. Well, almost.

— Reports have USC being very interested in Vandy coach James Frankin, who just wrapped up another eight-win season at Vandy. Yes, Franklin has worked Auburn-like magic to the point that eight-win seasons at VANDY are ho-hum. Boise State coach Chris Petersen also is reportedly a candidate for the USC job.

— Speaking of the USC gig, the Trojans' 35-14 loss against UCLA that all-but ended Ed Orgeron's hopes of getting the USC job permanently is the fundamental definition of winning by losing.

— Duke won its 10th game of the season by beating rival UNC. In every other year of every other sport ever, David Cutcliffe should be the coach of the year front runner. Winning 10 games at Duke is like getting a No. 1 overall NCAA tournament bid at Auburn for crying out loud. And how about the year for some of these coaches: Cutcliffe, Franklin, Malzahn, Gary Pinkel at Missouri. Heck, Urban Meyer has managed to find enough time away from family to go 24-0 at THE Ohio State rebounding from a major NCAA scandal.

— Georgia escaped in double overtime over rival Georgia Tech after trailing 20-0. Despite TFP SEC ace David Paschall writing in today's paper that Mark Richt does not expect changes, there will be some tense holiday moments for defensive coaches in Athens and all the coaches in Atlanta. Spy, whatcha got?

— Florida axed offensive coordinator Brent Pease and another assistant. Man, the life of assistant can be a real roller coaster. One minute you're the hottest thing since Hot Wheels, the next you are a Chia Pet.

— Speaking of late-season twists and coaching perceptions, how about that Egg Bowl, which left Mississippi State bowl eligible and the vibe around Dan Mullen feeling all warm and fuzzy heading into the holidays. And for Hugh Freeze, the Ole Miss coach that had swept up all the pre-Thanksgiving goodies, well, back-to-back losses and a trip Nashville for New Year's Eve feels like a monster disappointment.

— We'll get more into the Vols looking explosive and motivated against Kentucky tomorrow, with some input from Downtown Patrick Brown, too.

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NFL maturations

Leave it up to the Falcons to win a game that they need to lose and lose the games they need to win. So it goes.

If this weekend revealed anything, the NFL has truly become as much about avoiding injury as it about your starting quarterback. And when those two worlds collide, man, ask the Green Bay Packers, who were humiliated on Thanksgiving by the Detroit Lions.

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    Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning smiles following an NFL football game against the Philadelphia Eagles.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

There are two things that are now crystalizing for us: The AFC will come down to New England and Denver. Period. The Patriots have survived a slew of injuries, and each team has eite-level quarterbacks. (Side note: Peyton Manning's numbers are off-the-charts: After throwing for 400-plus yards and five TDs in the Broncos' win over Kansas City, Manning has 41 TDs and 4,125 passing yards while completing better than 68 percent of his passes. He has reached that rarified air in athletics where you expect every pass to be complete, not unlike how we expected every Tiger Woods 6-footer to go in during the early 2000s and every big-moment MJ jumper to fall. In fact, when Manning throws an incompletion, the two thoughts are either "He was throwing it away" or "Wonder who ran the wrong route?" Dude is scary right now. Well, scary as long as it's warmer than 32 degrees.)

The other NFL clarity is that the winner of tonight's Monday night game between Seattle and New Orleans is the clear front-runner in the NFC.

Tonight's game should be something special.

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This and that

— The Unibrow — Chas9er's main man Anthony Davis — broke his hand Sunday against New York. Davis was having a breakthrough season, averaging 19.6 points, 10.6 rebounds and 3.9 blocks. According to the new-age stats hounds, Davis had the second-best player efficiency rating in the NBA behind LeBron James.

— Did you see the giant tears Knowshon Moreno cried before the Broncos-Chiefs kickoff. Take a look. Sweet buckets, was the pregame movie Steel Magnolias? Do you think when crocodiles cry they say they are crying Knowshon tears?

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Today's question

Yes, we feel fairly certain that a ton of college football — especially the Iron Bowl — will be discussed at length on today's return of Press Row at 3 p.m. on ESPN 105.1 FM. Give us a listen — heck, give us a call at 423-648-1051 — don't cost nothin'.

Here are two items we feel certain will be discussed today:

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    Auburn head coach Gus Malzahn celebrates with his wife Kristi after their 34-28 win over No. 1 Alabama in an NCAA college football game, Saturday, Nov. 30, 2013, at Jordan-Hare Stadium in Auburn, Ala.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

Who's your No. 2 in the BCS?

Where do you put the finish to the Iron Bowl on the Rushmore of endings of college football events? What about all of college sports? What about all of sports? Does the Iron Bowl get there? We say yes — Auburn scoring two TDs in 32 seconds to stun the super-power that is Alabama? Here's our four endings that we'll forever remember: 2013 Iron Bowl, Gibson's homer in the 1988 World Series, Laettner's shot and Al Michaels asking, "Do you believe in miracles?"

Yes we do Al. We watched Auburn.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

Jay--What are you thankful for?

Is the Auburn story the best worst to first ever?

The Prayer at Jordan-Hare is a lot like the Laetner dagger into UK's heart. It so discombobulated Bama fans that they're shooting each other. The Bluegrass miracle and Auburn grabbing the (nearly) last second TD pass off Gawga defenders last week are right there.

Did Saint Nick get out-coached? Must be, since I don't think AU has as many weapons as UA. Discuss.

I'd say the War Eagles karma is evening things out. Revenge for the undefeated team that was robbed of the title nine years ago.

Some would say it's better to be lucky than good. Though I want an SEC team in the Big Game, Auburn's close games and LSU plotz tell me they don't deserve to be there. Too bad it's not next year, since SEC teams hold the #3, #4, and #5 slots.

Bad week for the Fab 4+1 franchise, but I went two for two on my picks of Duke and FSU against the spread. Entertainment seekers, you're welcome. And Florida has canned Pease (see what I did there?).

What are the Falcs doing? Don't they understand what they're playing for?

When AD broke his hand, his 4 blocks were best in the NBA. I knew he was good, but I didn't know he was second only to Cal's friend King James. Wow.

December 2, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
MocTastic said...

With respect to "endings" while the Iron Bowl ending was extremely exciting, it lacks one thing that would put it in the highest order of the greatest moments of all time, it didn't win the championship at the last second. AU won an important regular season game with the play. Laettner's shot didn't win the National Championship either, but a regional game. The Miracle On Ice was fantastic, yet there wasn't that last second game winning goal, and the US had to come back and win another game to secure the gold. And it wasn't even televised live. Kirk Gibson hit his homerun in Game 1. Bobby Thompson when he hit his "shot heard round the world" didn't win the World Series, but put the Giants into the World Series. So, what were some of those defining plays that were walk-off world championship winning moments?

Bill Mazeroski hit a walk off home run to win game 7 of a World Series. Any others come to mind?

December 2, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
WilliamRscott said...

Some basketball Wildcats had a good weekend...UK, 'Zona, 'Nova...a combined 21-1 to start the season.

Seven-Up is a better mixer than Sprite. Who orders a Seven+Sprite? Nobody...we order a "7+7". Stay thirsty my friends.

Billy-In-Brainerd

December 2, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
chas9 said...

I'd guess for Jay the only numbers that matter are 34-28, but as I predicted, The Iron Bowl MMXIII did not outdraw Bama v. A&M. Iron Bowl got an 8.6 rating, short of the John Football tilt, which got a 9.0. Almost everybody in Birmingham (not England) was watching, though, recording a whopping 57 rating and 82 share.

Still, the dramatic Iron Bowl may set a record for most Google searches immediately afterward for folks who missed the explosive ending looking to see a clip of it. And there's a whole meme of videos posted of fans' reactions in front of their TV sets.

A major Google search was "Where is Auburn?"

How big should the fine be to punish the scofflaws who rushed the field? How big would it have to be for it not to have been worth it? Could you buy a roll of toilet paper anywhere near Opelika Sunday?

Sprite's too sweet. BiB doesn't often drink beer, but when he does, what's his brand?

December 2, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
WilliamRscott said...

C-Niner,

Us Brainerd boys were drinkin' PBR + the High Life before it was cool...and Busch while on spring break...

December 2, 2013 at 11 a.m.
Stewwie said...

Malzahn for Coach of the Year. Going 11-1 in the SEC is much more impressive than going 10-2 in the ACC. And this is Malzahn's first year at the helm whereas Cutcliffe has had years to get his team ready to succeed.

How many games against the rest of the BCS top 10 would Ohio St. be favored against? They got a nice line against the Spartans for this Saturday, but maybe they'd be the favorite in one other game? My view is that the winner of the SEC Championship ought to be Florida St.'s opponent in the title game.

[But would happen if the Auburn magic that carried the Tigers to late come-from-behind wins with an Immaculate Deflection and Returning Back the Tide runs out against Missouri? That means the Iron Bowl would have meant very little in determining the national title, and if the new system is going to devalue the best regular season in all of sports, then we are against.]

This is a definite weakness of the proposed FBS playoff system. The FCS model is the best. Conferences small enough where everybody plays everybody, no conference championship games, all championship contenders can make the Big Dance to settle things on the field. Even with their playoff system, every Saturday in the FCS is a meaningful game. But the FBS cares more about the $$$ instead of what would be best for the teams/players.

December 2, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
MocTastic said...

Bingo! Its so simple, but as with anything MONEY rules. Its all about controlling the $$$. Have a 16 team playoff with the 10 conference champs getting auto bids. The next 6 teams would be the highest rated non conference champs via the current BCS ranking system, with some possible tweeks. Seed them, put them in a 16 team bracket, let the top seeded team host each week until the final game, the national championship which would be held on a predetermined field. It works in Div I-AA (FCS), Div II and Div III. Why doesn't this happen? Because then the NCAA gets the money, not the teams directly and the big schools want to control the purse. It is always about money.

December 2, 2013 at 11:17 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

I didn't catch the Iron Bowl but I am happy for your win Jay.

I feel saddened by my friend Kate (my youngest friend and a senior at Georgia Tech). She was at the game on Saturday and obviously wanted a huge win a against a school she has truly learned to hate. And this is coming from a woman who wasn't even into football her first year there. ^^()

Shout-Out to Weeds for his column this morning regarding the BB Mocs trip to Athens tonight. The 1997 upset during The Big Dance 73-70 is still a favorite game of mine. March 14th was also my 22nd birthday. I watched the whole game televised on CBS in my parents living room.

December 2, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent, part I

It's my belief that a playoff committee would not allow Alabama to get in ahead of Auburn in a playoff.

Here are the teams they'd be considering heading into this week:

ACC- Florida State Big Ten- Ohio State, Michigan State (if they beat OSU, why not the Spartans?) Big 12- Oklahoma State, Baylor (they only have one loss, so they'd be on the board) Pac 12- Stanford, Arizona State, Oregon (Ducks wouldn't really be in it, Stanford-ASU winner would have a shot since they won the Pac 12, one of the things they put a lot of weight on) SEC- Auburn, Missouri, Alabama Others- UCF (11-1, nearly beat SC), Northern Illinois (unbeaten- got to give them consideration)

I can't predict who they would take, because we don't know how the games this weekend would go. Those are the 13 that would come up in discussion though on Thursday afternoon prior to the first game of the weekend. NIU, UCF and Oregon are all but eliminated (too bad of schedule or not a conference champ). That gets us down to ten teams for four spots. If Oklahoma State lost to Oklahoma and Baylor beats Texas, I think the Bears would get a serious look. If Oklahoma State wins, Baylor would be gone.

Personally, I think Oklahoma State wins, Arizona State wins, Florida State wins, Michigan State wins, and Missouri wins (too tough for Auburn to bounce back from that game- I said the same thing last week about Auburn's chances if they beat Alabama, and after THAT finish, I feel even more strongly).

That would leave the contenders as Florida State, Michigan State, Oklahoma State, Arizona State, Auburn, Missouri, and Alabama. Florida State and Missouri would be in. I think Arizona State and Auburn would get the last two spots, with Oklahoma State, Alabama and Michigan State being really ticked off (and really, all of them rightfully). Arizona State would have two losses, would have avenged one of them against Stanford, and would have won what is universally considered the second best conference. Just a thought. I could be wrong, but I think the committee would surprise people. Florida State would play Auburn and Arizona State would play Missouri. Missouri and Auburn could both easily win those match-ups, setting up a rematch in the national championship game, which I think Auburn would probably win. I think the FSU-Auburn winner would win the national championship.

December 2, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show StuckinKent, part II

Does the NCAA control the football playoff money in the FBS? I thought they weren't going to control it still. Am I wrong? I certainly could be.

I hate a 16 team playoff. It's a terrible idea. You don't want 16 teams in the playoffs. Too many teams, and hurts the regular season badly. An 8 team playoff I'd be OK with (especially if they were forced to take four out of five major conference champs and one from the non- Big 5), but with an eight team playoff, Auburn-Alabama isn't as big of a deal this weekend. A 16 team playoff, it's virtually meaningless.

Let's look at an eight team playoff with four of five major conference champs and one non-Big 5 and assume no upsets this weekend, meaning FSU, OSU, Auburn, NIU, Ok State, and either Stan or ASU win.

ACC- FSU Big Ten- OSU Big 12- Ok State Pac- 12- ASU/Stan SEC- Auburn Non-Big 5- NIU

All six get in. Alabama gets in. More than likely Baylor or Oregon are fighting it out for the last spot, but possibly Missouri.

Seeding:

1 FSU vs. 8 NIU 2 OSU vs. 7 Baylor/Oregon/Missouri 3 Auburn vs. 6 ASU/Stan 4 Alabama vs 5 Ok State

Auburn-Alabama? Almost meaningless. If Missouri gets in as well, all the Aub-Mizzou game would have been about is seeding, which in a field like this doesn't matter as much, because all of these teams are roughly equal, unless you are #1. Sooooo......would it hurt the regular season? Absolutely.

I'm not really a fan of large playoff fields just in general. I am one that thinks the NCAA Tournament basketball field is too big and there ought to be a rule about conferences having more than four teams in it. I think the baseball playoffs with ten teams is too big. I think the NBA playoffs with 16 teams is too big. The NHL playoffs are a joke. The FCS field has gotten much too big. The NFL is bordering on too big with 12 teams, but I can basically live with it since there are eight divisions. I would prefer ten teams in the NFL playoffs. Of course, they aren't going that direction in any sport. Bigger is better. Except when it's not.

December 2, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, bowl game will be the indicator for what happens on The Flats. Beating Southern Cal, and beating them fairly convincingly, as convincing as 21-7 is, helped. But that was downright deflating Saturday evening. You're up 20-0, you've got to find a way to close that out. And it wasn't as if Tech start playing badly or doing dumb things, turnovers, penalties, etc. They just didn't make plays when they needed to, and Georgia did.

To me, the BCS game right now is FSU and the Ohio State University. Ohio State has gone out and won its schedule. Hey, not all of Auburn's opponents this year were Alabama. There was some tasty cream filling for their pastry.

Still, War (you know what) Eagle to all my Auburn friends. And the single most beautiful girl I know is a two-time Auburn grad. So there.

December 2, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
chas9 said...

Run-JMC--I was watching that Big Dance game, too. Great day.

BiB--Do you remember Red, White & Blue, the cheaper version of a cheap beer? Was the snow-capped pointy mountains image the best thing about Busch? Or maybe the whooshy sound of Booosch? I liked MHL and thought it really was a premium beer.

December 2, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.
chas9 said...

Yes, BiB, some Wildcats roared. 'Zona is properly #2, behind the only team UK has lost to, and UK is third. 'Zona's big center, Somethingski, is hard to handle, while Duke is soft in the middle, including the much-ballyhooed Parker. Jabari has skills, but he isn't as ravenous as Randle. Duke will have to get ravenous if they want to make the Final Four. The third superfrosh, Wiggins, also had a limp game.

And 'Zona's point guard T. J. McConnell is what The Vols wish they had. Duke's Hood has it all. If he'd stayed in the SEC, he'd be all-conference.

Randle's double double streak to start the season ended at seven, but no Kentucky player has ever done better. WC-S had 15 points, 8 boards, and a whopping 9 blocks. As The Cats improve, Randle will have fewer double doubles but scoring will be more balanced and the team will be scarier.

Even now, nobody wants to try to go to the rim vs. The Big Cats. Providence shot 31% overall, but less than 20% inside the arc.

Memphis won a big one v. OK State, and another POY candidate, Marcus Smart, looked human for long stretches.

And UNC fell to UAB, proving my claim that The Tarheels aren't holding up their end of the deal these days.

December 2, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

One second...War Dadgum Eagle!

Logically I agree with TOSU as BSC #2, as they are undefeated in a major conference, however, lets play the Conference Championship games. I think MSU has a good chance to upset TOSU. I haven't seen a line on the Tigers vs. Tigers yet, but right now I'd say Mizzou -2, based on Auburn having to recover from a huge emotional high. 5/10 - what's the O/U on the SECCG? 75?

December 2, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

The question of the week in Auburn is: "Hey Saban, you got a second?" Over the span of fifteen days Auburn has delivered two Run Lindsay moments, moments that will be remembered for decades to come by the War Eagle crowd. Good days on The Plains. And somewhere in Alabama, Harvey Updyke just launched a one-man blitzkrieg against his neighbor's azalea bushes.

In Atlanta another chapter of Clean, Old-Fashioned Hate played out. UGA did what UGA does in this series. Tech did what Tech does in this series. I loved the offensive play calling in the overtime periods. Hand the ball to Gurley four times and get a couple of touchdowns out of it. I'm sure this is a matter of perception trumping reality and the laws of physics, but that ball tipped by our defense on the final play of the game hung in the air for 72 seconds. Eventually it fell to the turf, but given our recent history with tipped passes...It took its own sweet time to do so.

I've always thought being a quarterback in the NFL would be a sweet gig. I've loosened up the arm and sent my resume in and if all goes well, I might be the next quarterback for the New York Jets. They're open to offers from all interested parties.

December 2, 2013 at 2:47 p.m.
WilliamRscott said...

C-Niner,

Billy Sr. was a fan of RW+B. During my 6-year tenure at Vine Street High, for $2 a six...that includes tax...you had your choice of RW+B, Blatz, or Shaefer. That trio made me the man I am today.

What is your take on Villanova? cbssports.com has 'em ranked 7th (?)

Billy-In-Brainerd

December 2, 2013 at 3:18 p.m.
Maximus said...

Nothing on the FCS football playoffs? Sad. I heard that Furman was in the hunt but who knows? Come on TFP work a little.

December 2, 2013 at 4:03 p.m.
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