published Wednesday, December 4th, 2013

'Tis the Season

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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librul said...

Quick, somebody call Bill O'Reilly! Just kidding, of course.

Good one, Clay. Undeniable truth.

December 4, 2013 at 12:28 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

disrespectful

December 4, 2013 at 12:43 a.m.
HiDef said...

How ironic that a user with the name "plaintruth" calls the truth "disrespectful"...history much?

December 4, 2013 at 12:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Fail to see the irony, wanker.

December 4, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

But is it the contemporary reason it "is" a season of celebration? After all it is so 10,000 BC ... Civilization has been there, done that, got the shirt and out grew it already

December 4, 2013 at 1:08 a.m.
librul said...

Obviously some of us need more time.

December 4, 2013 at 1:09 a.m.
HiDef said...

Wanker? Is this the fourth grade? Seriously, your best retort is to call me a name?

December 4, 2013 at 1:21 a.m.
fairmon said...

The season is reason to reflect on an unusual year and how some have given until there is little left to give although there are those that insist on more. The plan to increase the city budget by no less than 1% in order to extend employee benefits to gay or straight domestic partners is a gift many citizen do not support.

City Council chairman Hakeem questioned the process saying the referendum sets a precedent for residents to push back on other issues that the City Council puts forward. He said, we are elected to make decisions.

In other words how dare those 10,000 or more that signed the petition to question those they elected to be good stewards of tax payer money and to exercise restraint and good judgment in fulfilling their fiduciary obligation. The council is elected to make decisions however, once people realize their mistake in their selection of decision makers they have an obligation and a right to challenge any decision they make. It is not a moral issue and those opposing the decision on those grounds alone have no right to decide who should have what kind of relationship.

December 4, 2013 at 1:28 a.m.
betamax said...

fairmon - google red herring. you are getting off topic. push your politics elsewhere. WE'RE ARGUIN BOUT RELIGIN HERE

December 4, 2013 at 1:34 a.m.

Winter solstice - the reason for the season?

Not anymore. (Thank God.)

December 4, 2013 at 1:48 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

It is. Jesus was most likely born in the spring (April) not in December, based on details from scripture. The early church deliberately overlapped the existing midwinter festivals.

December 4, 2013 at 5:56 a.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

PlainTruth also lookup Julian calendar.

December 4, 2013 at 6:01 a.m.
Maximus said...

Clay, what a weird little boy you are. The only season I'm worried about is.....how in the world can we take two more years of Barry Obama The Class Warfare Welfare Pimp? 2014......the reason for the season...MID TERM ELECTIONS!

And Ike, bla, bla, bla, "Jesus most likely born in the spring".....what a nerdy retard you are. You and Clay should get together and celebrate Winter Solstice. I find that most believers of paganism and Winter Solstice are Democrats that are simply too cheap or too bitter to buy Christmas gifts. Lol!

December 4, 2013 at 6:25 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You are happy to be specific on why you think I am wrong, maxi, or behave like a 12 year old and look foolish. Your choice.

December 4, 2013 at 6:29 a.m.
jesse said...

Thisun is gonna drag the nut jobs outta the woodwork for sure!!

The church picked the date for Christmas the same way they picked Sunday for the sabbath,to take advantage of the pagan celebrations!

December 4, 2013 at 6:38 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Easter as well, jesse! Can't have those pagans fornicating during the spring fertility festivals.

December 4, 2013 at 6:46 a.m.
Maximus said...

OMG! Nerd alert. Lee Harvey Oswald and Charlie Manson celebrated Winter Solstice. Ole Charlie still does of course. Ike I heard that ole wild eyes (Manson) is getting married to one of his pen pals. Are you the lucky girl? Oh yea, Hitler and his buddies down at the ovens were also into paganism and the Winter Solstice crap. Good times!

I'm going to work. Someone has to finance all of the Americans on disability. Come on Mid Terms! :)$$$$$$$$$$

December 4, 2013 at 7:02 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Thanks for demonstrating my point, maxie.

December 4, 2013 at 7:08 a.m.
degage said...

Bennett's war on Christmas or should I say war on Christians. I still don't understand why you atheist are so against Christians. I don't care that you don't believe so why should you care that I do. I guess it is just something to argue about.

December 4, 2013 at 7:09 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

The war on Christmas is a myth, degage. Christmas itself has taken over the country, occupying 2 months of the year. It has become a retail orgy clothed in vaguely religious terms.

Perhaps you should check out what this evangelical blogger has to say: http://rachelheldevans.com/blog/holidays-persecuted

December 4, 2013 at 7:12 a.m.
degage said...

Ike, do you by presents for family and friends, this time of the year? If so , why?

December 4, 2013 at 7:19 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Why should it matter? Non-believers celebrate Christmas everywhere, even in countries not majority Christian. It has become a secular holiday in many places in the world. What's not to like? Santa, lights, trees; in my family's home country, Norway, it is dark most of the day, so the trappings of Yule, merged with Christmas, are very important.

PS I don't celebrate Easter (or Lent) so I always tried to work on that Sunday so that others could have it off.

December 4, 2013 at 7:27 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Jt6gR3hM said...But is it the contemporary reason it "is" a season of celebration? After all it is so 10,000 BC ... Civilization has been there, done that, got the shirt and out grew it already

You are correct, Jt6. The contemporary reason for the season is all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. Neither the solstice nor the remembrance of the birth of our Savior have much to do with it.

December 4, 2013 at 7:37 a.m.
una61 said...

Only 17 more shopping days till the Solstice.

December 4, 2013 at 7:55 a.m.
degage said...

Ike, so MT is right, It is all about $$$$$$ for some not Christ birth. Just a reason to get and give presents. I agree that Christmas has become commercial and the meaning of Christmas has been lost. Also I agree Dec. 25 is not the actual date, It is just the date picked to celebrate the birth.

So Ike, I take it you don't object to Christmas trees and Christmas music like some atheist do.

I really get a chuckle out of some atheist, as they get a chuckle out of us Christians.

December 4, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I absolutely don't have a problem with trees or carols, as long as they don't start in October. I have no problem with the religious aspects of Christmas either. I have attended many services over the years, and found them moving and beautiful. I have a problem with Christians who think that atheists who ask that the constitution be respected are "persecuting" them (hard to take that seriously when Christians are in the vast majority and the government has always favored them). And I have a problem with Christians that think that Christmas is the only holiday being celebrated at this time of the year. Christians (religious or cultural) have made a mess of this holiday, starting in early October and ending abruptly on the morning of the 26th, when dry faded trees are dumped on the curbs and Valentine's candy hits store shelves. This is not technically Christmas: it is Advent, and Christmas runs for 12 days from the 25th. You would have a difficult time discerning that "Christian fact" nowadays.

December 4, 2013 at 8:20 a.m.
degage said...

I have to agree with you, Starting Oct 1st is totally ridiculous. Same goes for all the other dates started 3 months ahead of time, valentines day, Halloween, and Easter.

December 4, 2013 at 8:28 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

how is this disrespectful PT?

December 4, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

This is a simple reflection of one man's attempt to escape the guilt of immorality. It's sad.

December 4, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well, I'll ask you. tbs1015. WTF is the point of the toon? Objective? (other than to ridicule) Huh?

December 4, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.

lkeithlu said...Jesus was most likely born in the spring (April) not in December, based on details from scripture. The early church deliberately overlapped the existing midwinter festivals.

This is truly shocking, lkeithlu!! Thanks for disabusing the world of this horrendous fraud. (And with such glee!)

G.K. Chesterton sniffed out such tired pedantry a century ago:

“THERE is one very vile habit that the pedants have, and that is explaining to a man why he does a thing when the man himself can explain quite well — and quite differently. If I go down on all-fours to find sixpence, it annoys me to be told by a passing biologist that I am really doing it because my remote ancestors were quadrupeds. I concede that he knows all about biology, or even a great deal about my ancestors; but I know he is wrong, because he does not know about the sixpence. If I climb a tree after a stray cat, I am unconvinced when a stray anthropologist tells me that I am doing it because I am essentially arboreal and barbaric. I happen to know why I am doing it; and I know it is because I am amiable and somewhat over-civilised. Scientists will talk to a man on general guess-work about things that they know no more about than about his pocket-money or his pet cat. Religion is one of them, and all the festivals and formalities that are rooted in religion. Thus a man will tell me that in keeping Christmas I am not keeping a Christmas feast, but a pagan feast. This is exactly as if he told me that I was not feeling furiously angry, but only a little sad. I know how I am feeling all right; and why I am feeling it. I know this in the case of cats, sixpences, anger, and Christmas Day. When a learned man tells me that on the 25th of December I am really astronomically worshipping the sun, I answer that I am not. I am practicing a particular personal religion, the pleasures of which (right or wrong) are not in the least astronomical. If he says that the cult of Christianity and the cult of Apollo are the same, I answer that they are utterly different; and I ought to know for I have held both of them. I believed in Apollo when I was quite little; and I believe in Christmas now that I am very, very big.”

December 4, 2013 at 11:26 a.m.

“The great majority of people will go on observing forms that cannot be explained; they will keep Christmas Day with Christmas gifts and Christmas benedictions; they will continue to do it; and some day suddenly wake up and discover why.” - G. K. Chesterton

December 4, 2013 at 11:34 a.m.
librul said...

What's wrong with the world is that people sufferng from religion-induced paralysis of the mind will continue to quote dolts like Chesterton.

December 4, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
jesse said...

Librul, while i think Chesterson was wrong about a lot of things (imo)He was no dolt and to call him one reflects on you more than him!!

December 4, 2013 at 11:52 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

And librul, people like you and your ilk will continue to mock and ridicule for no good reason. Been hearing the same "points" from atheists for decades. Each succeeding generation think they were the first to think of them. Kinda funny/sad, really.

December 4, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
una61 said...

When is Festivus?

December 4, 2013 at 12:01 p.m.
librul said...

I've been hearing the same "points" from religionists for decades, all pointing to the same book of myth and legend as their source of "truth" without using the brains nature gave them to investigate the evidence to the contrary sitting right under their noses. Not at all funny and very, very sad.

"The slave should be resigned to his lot, in obeying his master he is obeying God." More pearls of wisdom from ole' G.K.

December 4, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

una61: festivus is a parody on Christmas. Lefties love it. Try Google, una. It's fairly simple.

December 4, 2013 at 12:10 p.m.
Case said...

Perfect!

December 4, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

librul said...

Obviously some of us need more time.

Or some readers are too short ... Right?

December 4, 2013 at 12:31 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

From the earliest recordings of humankind's tales and imaginings of the gods, we have tried to humanize them as much as possible, even to the point of having them walk among us. Nobody today doubts that the Greek and Roman myths and the various other pagan myths are pure fantasy, but Christians are still clinging to the last and final feeble attempt of humankind to make God human by believing in the literal life-story of Jesus of Nazareth. Many Christians have at least come to their senses enough to know that the Old Testament stories of Noah and the flood, Moses' parting of the sea, Jonah living 3 days in the belly of a large fish, the ridiculously childish story of the Garden of Eden and creation... all those stories defy logic and common sense, and many Christians have come to regard them for what they are - a compilation of mankind's early myths and tall tales. Yet they still cling to the literal life and death and the fantastical miracles of Jesus as the real deal. But everything he supposedly did is every bit as much the stuff of fairy tales as any of the other OT myths.

There is NO evidence whatsoever, other than the writings of the Bible, that such a human being ever existed. And don't even try to bring up the Testimonium Flavianum, the first thing that many Christians like to claim as proof of his existence. Even most Christian apologists and scholars have admitted that that miniscule paragraph by Roman Jewish historian Josephus was forged and inserted long after his death, and it is completely out of context with the rest of his writing.

December 4, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

continued...

There was no Jesus of Nazareth, ya'll. No doubt there were many Jesuses from Nazareth at the time that your "son of God" supposedly lived - that was a very common name, after all - but even for one to have existed as a great and all-wise, all-human teacher or prophet is a stretch. He did not preach anything that had not already been written or said by the pagan religions that preceded Christianity. He was not the first to preach brotherly love and compassion or the "golden rule." So there is really nothing about him that is worthy of worshiping or idolizing, not as a man and especially not as a "son of God."

The pagans worshiped the sun as God and concocted elaborate tales based on the sun's path through the sky. The Winter Solstice for them was symbolic of the rebirth of all of life. As it appeared to die at that time of year and then rise up, it represented rebirth. Virtually all of Christ's supposed life can be traced to the mythical origins of the various sun-worshiping pagan religions. They all had their virgin-born, miracle-working, death-defying messiahs whose lives, deaths, and resurrections were almost identical to that of Jesus Christ. During the Dark Ages, when only the clergy and members of the Church could read or write, the masses had no recourse but to believe what the church fathers were telling them, and all the while they were re-writing and interpolating the Bible as they saw fit. Many religious sects, such as the gnostics, knew that the whole Christ story was allegorical and not literal, but the literal version eventually stuck and that is what has been handed down throughout the ages.

Jesus is no more real than Santa Claus. It is good that we have a season in which we celebrate giving and loving and sharing and caring (the obscene commercialization of it aside) but we don't need a mythical "savior" to do that.

December 4, 2013 at 12:34 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well, hell, Roo. That's that, I guess.

December 4, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.
jesse said...

Roo is spot on!Hate to admit it BUT he has his Historical FACTS in order!!

December 4, 2013 at 1:03 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

librul said...

What's wrong with the world is that people sufferng from religion-induced paralysis of the mind will continue to quote dolts like Chesterton.

"The slave should be resigned to his lot, in obeying his master he is obeying God." More pearls of wisdom from ole' G.K.

Are you sure?

Titus 2:9-10

“Tell slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to talk back, not to pilfer, but to show complete and perfect fidelity, so that in everything they may be an ornament to the doctrine of God our Savior.”

“The slave should be resigned to his lot, in obeying his master he is obeying God.” -- St John Chrysostom commenting on the above.

It’s not that you don't know ... it’s that what you know is B.S.

December 4, 2013 at 1:24 p.m.
librul said...

A BSer trying to substantiate another BSer by quoting BS from the ultimate source of BS. Hee Haw.

December 4, 2013 at 1:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jesse: That's bullscat.

December 4, 2013 at 1:38 p.m.

Care to cite your specific source for the quote on slavery, Librul? (Been reading the same sort of rubbish in atheist screeds for years.)

December 4, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
jesse said...

wwwtw if you will take the time to read the first epistle of peter it will set ya straight about slavery in the N.T.!!

December 4, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.

Rickaroo said...There is NO evidence whatsoever, other than the writings of the Bible, that such a human being ever existed.

Name one credible scholar who agrees with you.

December 4, 2013 at 3:09 p.m.
yddem said...

I challenge any reasonable person to read Zealot: The Life and Times of Jesus of Nazareth by Reza Aslan and not conclude there was a man known as Jesus of Nazareth.

December 4, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jesus the man, almost certainly lived. Savior is an article of faith.

December 4, 2013 at 4:07 p.m.
yddem said...

I did not use that word in my challenge.

December 4, 2013 at 4:40 p.m.
jesse said...

Faith is what ya have to have in order to believe the unbelievable!

Some brains are hard wired to have "FAITH"! Others are wired to apply logic and reason to things and faith don't work for them!!

I have "FAITH" that the sun is gonna rise in the east in the morn. because i been watchin it do that for 70+years!Raisin the dead and walkin on water not so much!!

December 4, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kerry: "With global anti-Semitism on the rise, Israel's voice must be heard everywhere" Last week the gigolo Secretary of Ketchup basically told Congress not to listen to Israel More proof of the ineptness of the Jarrett administration.

December 4, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
librul said...

WWWTW - 2:52

St John Chrysostom, commenting on I Timothy 6:1-5 and other biblical mandates for human slavery, quoted from Helen Ellerbe, The Dark Side of Christian History. Helen's book is a great read - it puts a lot of things in perspective.

December 4, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

There is no physical evidence, none, to support a real Jesus; no artifacts, buildings, works of his carpentry, nor anything at all written by him. All claims about the Jesus legend derive from writings of other people; therefore I think it fair to say it is all hearsay. Not a very good footing as proof positive.

Same with the New Testament. There is no original (s). What is relied on today comes from copies, and edited copies of copies, and of questionable originals (as it appears it have), then there is a very good possibility an original never existed - or was ever supposed to exist.

December 4, 2013 at 5:01 p.m.
soakya said...

well rickyroo settled that matter. why do you continue to show your ignorance not only in economics but in all things you speak of. I said it once and I'll say it again, you cannot be as stupid as you let on.

December 4, 2013 at 5:07 p.m.
SeaSmokie59er said...

“I love the commercialization of Christmas, because it spreads the Christmas cheer.” - Sarah Palin

December 4, 2013 at 5:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

librul said...

WWWTW - 2:52

St John Chrysostom, commenting on I Timothy 6:1-5 and other biblical mandates for human slavery, quoted from Helen Ellerbe, The Dark Side of Christian History. Helen's book is a great read - it puts a lot of things in perspective.

Looks like you sub-out everything but the lies ... which are home made goodness ... right?

December 4, 2013 at 5:50 p.m.
librul said...

Too bad JT... I guess you are sufficiently uninterested in searching for knowledge outside your scriptural comfort zone that you feel justified in sneering at those who do. Not a good sign for your badly needed enlightenment.

December 4, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Seems to me most of the animus on religion comes from the atheist left. Fairly understandable when you think on it.

December 4, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

betamax said...

fairmon - you are getting off topic. push your politics elsewhere. WE'RE ARGUIN BOUT RELIGIN HERE.

I didn't realize you were the room proctor. It is a religious statement, not an argument. I didn't think Christians argued only hypocrites like those insisting legislatures allow them to impose their personal so called religious view.

December 4, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.

librul said...”St John Chrysostom, commenting on I Timothy 6:1-5 and other biblical mandates for human slavery, quoted from Helen Ellerbe, The Dark Side of Christian History. Helen's book is a great read - it puts a lot of things in perspective.”

Nope. She cites no sources. No one before her has ever attributed the quote to Chrysostom. (Nor to anyone else for that matter, since she simply made it up.) It makes for scintillating fodder for online atheist chatterboxes, but not much else. Surely you can do better.

December 4, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.

Mickey Rat,

There are no original manuscripts for any of the writers of classical Greece. Did they not exist? For which ancient book are there earlier copies than those for the New Testament? You must be joking.


Those are some pitifully weak sallies from the God-hating gallery today. Are there any serious atheists out there?!?

December 4, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.
librul said...

No, PT, the animus comes from the blatant hypocrisy, the arrogance, the ignorance of history, the willful blindness to provable facts, the acceptance of illogical and unreasonable assertions backed up by no evidence whatsoever (or totally outside the realm of believability), the hate for science which is the primary guidepost for real knowledge. All this is laid at the feet of faith, which just demands too much from a mature mind.

And, WWWTW, Helen's book makes use of primary sources and illustrations throughout and puts known historical facts and events in a very instructive 'chain of events' - you have obviously not read it without your faith filter engaged.

December 4, 2013 at 6:37 p.m.
GaussianInteger said...

"I didn't think Christians argued only hypocrites like those insisting legislatures allow them to impose their personal so called religious view."

What are you trying to say with this statement?

December 4, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
yddem said...

PlainTruth said... "Seems to me most of the animus on religion comes from the atheist left. Fairly understandable when you think on it." [When you think ON it? LOL]

No Truth, your "logic" is as illogical as someone asserting that most of the attachment to religion is from the religious reactionary right.

December 4, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
Maximus said...

One thing about Greece, we, the U. S. A., under the leadership of Barry The Disability Pimp, have more people on disability than the entire population of Greece.

As for Ike, Rickapoo, and Jesse y'all have to be a barrel of laughs at the company Winter Solstice Party and the only weirdos I know that are counter culture going to hell hippy pagans are.....wait for it....Obamer supporting Democrats. And Ike, as I recall you are a former teacher now on disability....sad really and I bet you have more than one black cat. Rickapoo you done got soooooooooo smart, you don't even need nor believe in God. Typical commie liberal. You don't hear much about Obama going to church very often either. Marxist's have never had much need for God because he stands in the way of their power over the people. That is the under lying meaning of the victimized military brat.....Little Boy Clay's cartoon. :)

December 4, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

And Ike, as I recall you are a former teacher now on disability..

Nope: retired after 30 years. Very healthy and able. Will be hiking the Grand Canyon again this spring. Down and back in one 15 hour stretch.

That's retired early. Because we managed our finances well. And no cats. New puppy.

December 4, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.
yddem said...

Remember the insult about someone having his head so far up his arse that he needs a periscope to see?

Maxistinkypad is feasting on her own crap.

December 4, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ok cool, enjoy the Grand Canyon that God created. I guess y'all didn't raise any socialist kids. Praise Jesus.

December 4, 2013 at 7:28 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Geology is responsible for the Grand Canyon, and all my kids are liberal, healthy, productive adults, thanks very much. One is a priest, doncha know.

December 4, 2013 at 7:30 p.m.
Maximus said...

Yddem the truth hurts and Happy Quanza! All these Pagan Preachers are ALL Obama ......John Lennon Imagine No Religion Stoner Whole Foods Shopping No Personality Politically Correct Democrats. That's all folks.

December 4, 2013 at 7:33 p.m.
tifosi said...

Maximus is a classless, arrogant braggart. He brings no credibility to the Republican Party and detracts from what used to a very honorable American institution.

Perhaps someday he will find a truly Christian path.

December 4, 2013 at 7:37 p.m.
Maximus said...

Sorry about the Priest don't you let him near kids don't you know. And if they are liberal they are not very smart and certainly not very productive. Liberals can't think for themselves Obama and his social justice messaging minions do all the thinking for them......The Right To Choose......Economic Equity.....Obama Will Make Sure The Economy Works For Everyone ( What in the hell does that mean and how is Barry going to do it?)........Global Climate Change....what the?......when you think about it...isn't oil organic?

December 4, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
Maximus said...

Tifosi....I woke you up. You are right I'm not in to classes like you socialists are. We are all God fearing Americans except for Jesse and Rickaroo. Lol!

December 4, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Give it up Maxie. You're flailing and blubbering. The priest is a she, and a married mother of two. And yes, they are intelligent, productive, successful, and liberal. And I will not discuss science topics with someone who thinks god made the Grand Canyon.

December 4, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ike, if you're serious about the priest son...well that's the funniest thing I've read in days. How can you deal with the obvious moron? Hmmm?

December 4, 2013 at 7:49 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

He is digging himself deeper with each post. I am doing little to help. And yes, the priest is a daughter, not a son.

I guess he can end it by declaring that I am making it all up, and bolt without ever acknowledging that he was wrong (and insulting) multiple times.

December 4, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.
tifosi said...

Maximus: You are a terrible example of a Christian and only fuel the arguments against organized religion. You are terrible example of a human being. St. Peter will likely have words for you, and they likely won't be kind.

December 4, 2013 at 8:13 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ike, if you're referring to me, I don't doubt you. Just think it's funny. Does your daughter not believe in science?

December 4, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
tifosi said...

What is Greed?

Greed is inordinate love of material things and an unbalanced desire for more earthly possessions. A greedy person cherishes things more than he cherishes people or relationships.

“It’s never enough, I gotta have more” is the motto of the ugly sin called greed. Like its sister sin, gluttony, greed is a drive to consume for the sheer pleasure of consuming without regard to moderation.

Faces of Greed

Hoarding things for the sake of hoarding is a form of greed. So is buying things you don’t need just for the sake of possessing them. Greed is also the act of taking more than your fair share in order to hurt others: it says “I’m better than you because I have more; you can’t have it because I already have it.”

In short, greed is amassing material goods for the sheer pleasure of accumulating.

Why is Greed a Mortal Sin?

There are several reasons why greed is considered a deadly sin. •Greed is a sign of mistrust. It is an expression of doubt that God will provide all that you need. It is disbelieving Jesus when He promises that God will provide everything you need (Luke 12:22-31). •Greed promotes crime. More crimes have been committed due to greed than any other deadly sin. Greed drives people to steal, lie, and even kill in order to acquire more wealth and worldly possessions. •Greed is the pinnacle of selfishness. Greed ruins marriages, destroys friendships, and divides families all in the selfish pursuit of gratifying one’s self. Greed is the opposite of charity, generosity and love. Greed disregards all others and puts falsely high importance on the self: it is a form of self-worship.

Overcoming Greed with Generosity

Greed can be overcome by practicing generosity and gratitude. Recognizing that only a finite number of things are needed in order to live, and to live well is a step toward overcoming greed.

Limiting the number of things you accumulate and being grateful and appreciative of what you have can put an end to greed; so can giving freely of both your time and possessions.

December 4, 2013 at 8:32 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ike.....a female Priest? The Holy Father does not approve! And Tifosi...what's your point? I have helped build churches all over the world. What about you? The greed information you copied from some book could also be used by a little creep like you as an excuse for your complete lack of accomplishment. Michelangelo painted the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel for a commission......money.....was that greed or ambition?

December 4, 2013 at 9:44 p.m.
fairmon said...

tifosi said....

Greed can be overcome by practicing generosity and gratitude. Recognizing that only a finite number of things are needed in order to live, and to live well is a step toward overcoming greed.

Limiting the number of things you accumulate and being grateful and appreciative of what you have can put an end to greed; so can giving freely of both your time and possessions.

tifosi...that is different than governments confiscating from the successful and distributing it to those in need and to those that have been irresponsible without making a difference between the two.

Will government confiscation reduce greed or just kill any initiative to work hard and achieve success? Your sources imply that any accumulation of wealth is due to greed and anyone that is successful must be greedy.

Is it not sinful to covet? Who is greedy, those that have worked to have something or those that insist they should be given that which the other has achieved?

December 5, 2013 at 1:09 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

No, PT, I was referring to Max. And yes, my daughter accepts modern science. Maxie, the Holy Father (as it were) does approve. As for the Pope, well, since she is not a Catholic Priest, he has no say in the matter. That you fail to admit that you were both insulting and incorrect does not surprise me.

December 5, 2013 at 6:45 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

The Axial Tilt is the reason for the season

December 5, 2013 at 7:55 a.m.
joneses said...

It is the same old tired talk from the liberals including clay bennett. Christmas and Easter offends them, The pilgrims treated the indians bad, even Columbus day is projected as evil by the liberals. These liberals are the most miserable bunch of people that I have ever come to know. They are even more miserable than the ones they claim are being mistreated. It must be sad to find bad in everything even something as beautiful as Christmas. Maybe this will help. Merry Christmas to all!

December 5, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
librul said...

Thanks eeeeeek.

I really didn't think it would take 18 hours for someone to get down to the root of the matter.

December 5, 2013 at 8:26 a.m.
joneses said...

Science is to infant to understand God.

December 5, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
librul said...

Also sprach Joneses.

December 5, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ike: Not being sarcastic. How does your daughter square religion and science?

December 5, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

worth noting. Turley is a left leaning law professor.

REP. BOB GOODLATTE (R-VA): Professor Turley, the constitution, the system of separated powers is not simply about stopping one branch of government from usurping another. It's about protecting the liberty of Americans from the dangers of concentrated government power. How does the president's unilateral modification of act of Congress affect both the balance of power between the political branches and the liberty interests of the American people?

JONATHAN TURLEY: Thank you, Mr. Chairman. The danger is quite severe. The problem with what the president is doing is that he's not simply posing a danger to the constitutional system. He's becoming the very danger the Constitution was designed to avoid. That is the concentration of power in every single branch.

December 5, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

WWWTW, I have better things to do than to stay glued to this forum all day every day and engage in mental tug-of-war with you wing-nuts and Christian crazies, so this is the first I've seen of your response to my post yesterday, when I said that there is NO evidence whatsoever, other than the writings of the Bible, that such a human being (Jesus Christ) ever existed.

You said, "Name one credible scholar who agrees with you." Are you serious?? Obviously you don't read much, do you? Or if you do, you must limit it to only those topics that speak favorably of your particular bias. There is a whole slew of literature, and well researched literature at that, written by people who have proposed that the entire existence/story of Christ is nothing more than myth. The theory goes as far back as the 18th-19th century, when a scholar named Bruno Bauer first proposed it. Then there were writers/scholars in the 20th century who took a renewed interest in the theory, such as Arthur Drews and William Benjamin Smith. Today the list of people espousing the mythicism of Christ are too many to mention, but D.M. Murdoch and Richard Carrier are two who have written extensively about it and backed up their research with detailed footnotes as to the actual origins of the myths that gave life to the being that Christians like to think was an actual god-man. D.M Murdoch (Acharya S) has written probably more books on it than anyone.

Thomas Jefferson, while apparently believing in the existence of JC as a human being, was so convinced that he was NOT divine (the "son of God") that he rewrote and condensed the entire New Testament, removing all the supernatural elements and any reference to his divinity and miracle-working.

December 5, 2013 at 11:47 a.m.
Maximus said...

Ike, I assume that your daughter is a high priestess of wicken witchery and is a lesbian not that there is anything wrong with that. And Ike the fact that you were a teacher gives me the chills. As far as the Grand Canyon a point of reference.....and again I'm just a simple minded multi millionaire and not a grand intellectual on a pension budget like you......Genesis 1:1....."In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.". Scientific enough for me don't ya know!

You reap what you sow and a prideful, intellectual atheist lifestyle, believing that secular humanism, man, nature and science are omnipotent has been the motivation behind many evil regimes. Funny too how most atheists are Democrats who desire centralized support fueled by the seizure and redistribution of other peoples hard earned money. Remember, the first thing that most Marxist leaders do is close all the places of worship. The Democrats and teachers like Ike have done the best they can to destroy number one the family and number two organized religion so that we all have to look to Dear Leader, much like in North Korea, for our life and our sustenance. People like Ike feel that since they are soooooooooooooooo smart that they would be included in the enlightened ruling class led by Obama but most likely they would be thrown into the abyss of mediocrity like the rest of us. A final question....if Dear Leader Barry The Welfare Pimp is soooooooooooo smart then why is Obamacare so furked up? Lol and Merry Christmas especially to all you idiotic politically correct atheist too cheap or too bitter to buy gifts. :)

December 5, 2013 at 11:48 a.m.
Maximus said...

Rickaroo....another bitter secular humanist loser with no spirit, drive, or ambition committed to the comfort zone of low expectations, cynicism and the Democrat party lifestyle of welfare and centralized control. Merry Festivas Rickapoo.

December 5, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hey Roo! How many times you gonna repeat the mantra of "I have better things to do…."? Don't worry about others on here, Pal. And BTW, you're a pretty good name caller your own self. Christian Crazies? Really, Roo. That's plumb un-christian.

December 5, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Max, all I did was respond with tangible evidence to back up a statement I had made. Rather than speak to the issue or topic at hand, all you can do is go off on your usual tirade of name calling and stereotyping. I don't need to call you a loser or speak ill of you in any way - you speak it loud and clear for yourself with every comment you make.

December 5, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT, Christian crazies is actually a pretty mild epithet compared to what I really think of them. Anyway, I guess I'm allowed to be "un-Christian" since I'm NOT one.

December 5, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Nuff for today, I have better things to do. Oops...I went and said it again! I'll leave it to you to sit on your tired old ass all day, PT, glued to your computer, spouting off your worn-out right-wing (er...I mean "independent moderate") drivel.

December 5, 2013 at 12:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

There you go again, Roo. Repetitive and the obligatory name calling. Head on out and save the planet. BTW, Roo. You work for a govt. agency?

December 5, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
Maximus said...

Ricky..."tangible evidence" according to who....some secular humanist egg head academic. No Rick if everything can be answered by man and science then you have no spirit, and that's what faith in God is all about. Rick tell me something how do you define love or does love exist in your tangible, scientific world? I'm not calling you names by the way, I'm giving you my opinion of what I think you are. My judgement of character has served me well over the years. There are no atheists on my team.

December 5, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
eeeeeek said...

Every believer is an atheist of many other gods they find no evidence for.

An atheist finds no evidence for any of the gods.

Happy Thor's Day

December 5, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
caddy said...

.

December 5, 2013 at 2:11 p.m.

Honest atheists use the same standards for evidence of God that they use for their belief in justice or in the human mind. (Hence, so few honest atheists.)

December 5, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

sorry for the late reply, but PT his cartoons are in the OPINION section. Why in the hell would they need to be subjective? Obviously the man is trying to present his view, in hopes that other narrow minded people might start seeing things from a different light

December 5, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

tbs: I guess I wasn't clear. I meant what is his objective, if not to inflame? *and please don't give me the old "he wants to make us think retort."

December 5, 2013 at 2:46 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

haha why not that retort? Let's think about this. The man is cartoonist for a NEWS outlet. He writes in the OPINION column. Does he really need a motive to draw whatever he wants? and yes, maybe it is to make you think. Don't just disregard something because it is cliche. Something is usually cliche because it remains true over the years

December 5, 2013 at 2:50 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So tbs, you think toon-boy gets up each morning with the thought, "how can I make the great unwashed think?" PuhLeeze

December 5, 2013 at 3 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

maybe not, but he does write in the opinion column. If you don't like it. Don't read it. Don't even click on the link. Because you know what he is going to post. So let me ask you this PT, what does that then make you? You know its going to be liberal, whatever it is. So you come on here and post comments that are just as antagonizing and inflammatory as his cartoons, except in the opposite view. You do the exact same thing as he does. Interesting thought huh?

December 5, 2013 at 3:14 p.m.

Rickaroo said... ”Obviously you don't read much, do you? Or if you do, you must limit it to only those topics that speak favorably of your particular bias … D.M. Murdoch and Richard Carrier are two who have written extensively about [the Jesus Myth].”

I said a credible SCHOLAR.

D.M. Murdoch is a self-published conspiracy theorist with a Bachelor’s degree. Under her pseudonym, Acharya, she wrote a book called The Gospel According to Acharya S. She is "not a scholar who could be trusted (in part because she is not a scholar),” says Bart Ehrman, agnostic scholar of the life of Jesus.

Richard Carrier is an atheist blogger. In his own estimation, doubt about Jesus’ historicity “remains only a hypothesis that has yet to survive proper peer review." While having the graduate degrees Acharya is lacking, Carrier’s writings are not published in peer-reviewed journals or by academic publishers. He is only published by journals and publishing houses reserved for religious skeptics.

What was that you were saying about confirmation bias?

December 5, 2013 at 3:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not real interesting, no. Why should he have all the fun? I doubt my opinion sways anyone. Doubt his does either.

December 5, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

SO WHY COMPLAIN?! haha. What's the point? He doesn't need one. he is paid to create his opinion on the opinion page.

December 5, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

I assume you are just trying to get in a word edgewise against the other side, which is probably exactly what he is trying to do with his cartoons. Difference is, he gets paid money to do it on a larger scale. you're confined to the comment section.

December 5, 2013 at 3:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

So tbs, what is your angle? Why the 20 questions?

December 5, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

seriously? go back and read the sequence of comments that led up until this point. You called the man disrespectful and you were the one questioning his objective. I was saying he doesn't need one. I was explaining why your series of comments had absolutely no point to them because you know what to expect and why he does it

December 5, 2013 at 3:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Just your opinion, amigo.

December 5, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

palm to face exactly...And it's just Bennent's opinion too. Don't get your panties in a wad and call it disrespectful or question his motives. Its his OPINION, in the OPINION column

December 5, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

you are a special person

December 5, 2013 at 3:38 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

no wadded panties, madam. that would be your department. i will call it disrespectful when it is. opinions can be disrespectful, madam.

December 5, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

haha madam? Clever. Yea but then you started questioning his motives. his whole point to writing it. Doesn't need one. And yes opinions can be disrespectful, but it obviously bothered you or you wouldn't have commented on it in the first place.

December 5, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Did someone die and make you the forum police?

December 5, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

No, but if you are going to comment on the issue, at least make it constructive and worth our while reading. At least make it about the issue. All you did was question the man's motives.

December 5, 2013 at 3:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

And your posts are riveting?

December 5, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
yddem said...

You girls may want to get a room.

December 5, 2013 at 4:01 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

at least when I post, it is about the issue. Unless its calling out your BS. Which seems to have happened a lot lately.

December 5, 2013 at 4:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

BHO, after denying he ever met his drunk uncle, now says yes, he lived with the uncle briefly back in the day. He had to read the news to learn that. Must have been the choom. serial liar

December 5, 2013 at 4:06 p.m.
yddem said...

I sure am glad that I don't have any relatives who drink and who might subject me to ridicule from moderates.

December 5, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Cute

December 5, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Wahh- I want a cartoon about Obama!

PlainTruth, get your sandwich board and go stand on the corner.

"Honk if Bennett's not being objective!" "Obama's a socialist!"

December 5, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

PT, by accepting the bible as allegory, not natural history, my daughter is perfectly happy with her religious truth and the findings of science.

Maxie, your comments to me are beneath me to answer. You cross a line when you insult my daughter, a fine person you have never met. Go suck your socks.

December 5, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

PT never said a word about toon boy being objective.

December 5, 2013 at 4:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ike: got it. Thanks

December 5, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Actually, PT, Christians like my daughter are more common than biblical literalists.

December 5, 2013 at 4:46 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ike. Perhaps so.

December 5, 2013 at 4:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tbs1015 said...

at least when I post, it is about the issue. Unless its calling out your BS. Which seems to have happened a lot lately.

Do you ever check your history? Of your last 30 posts only about 2 or 3 even slightly reference the issue depicted. Admit it you're just a troll, like the rest of us, trying to score points against your poster opponents. Climb down off you high hobbyhorse already.

December 5, 2013 at 5:17 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

yddem said...

I sure am glad that I don't have any relatives who drink and who might subject me to ridicule from moderates.

Yeah ... Like we would need that as a reason to LOAO at you or Obama’s lying a^^.

December 5, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

lkeithlu said...

Actually, PT, Christians like my daughter are more common than biblical literalists.

Yeah .... but does she and those types really believe in a “sky daddy” and if so aren’t they suffering from an acute case of cognitive dissidence?**

BTW ... This is what happens when you bring your personal issues to the table to score a few minor points. We have no need to not address them once you dump them here.... get over it already.

December 5, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Yeah, Jt6, most people here are respectful. When someone isn't and is called on it, you can take the high road. Or, in your case in this instance, lower yourself to their level. I will not use stereotypes to say that one side or another does this; PT and jesse see sense.

Yeah .... but does she and those types really believe in a “sky daddy” and if so aren’t they suffering from an acute case of cognitive dissidence?

yes, if you don't distill a deity down to a pixie that a 5 year old can understand.

December 5, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Ike: So you and your daughter are at loggerheads re a deity, yes?

December 5, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

No-we respect each other's opinions. We are not at loggerheads about anything at all. Life is too short for that crap.

December 5, 2013 at 7:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Fair enough, Ike

December 5, 2013 at 7:36 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

troll? Please JT. I call people out on there BS when I see it. Being a liberal person, I agree with most of Bennent's posts, so all I would say would be, "I agree."

December 5, 2013 at 10:30 p.m.
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