published Saturday, February 2nd, 2013

The Check

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

This is the guy who's on track to double the debt in 8 years after promising to halve the deficit in four, who said the debt in '06 was unpatriotic...the guy who said he'd kill Gitmo but Solyndra would live forever...the guy who said he could stimulate the economy with money taxed from us, or newly printed, or borrowed so nobody else can borrow it... Irrelevant but funny: 80% of psych study subjects are psych undergrads (leithart.com).

February 2, 2013 at 12:14 a.m.
canarysong said...

Hitting the late night schnapps again, Andrew? {shakes head in bewilderment}

February 2, 2013 at 1:03 a.m.
Rebus said...

as a toonest, not much talent. as a toonest that can juggle 3-4 screen names, he's not too bad.

February 2, 2013 at 1:13 a.m.
blackwater48 said...

EARTH TO ANDY, COME IN PLEASE

Even when Clay presents an editorial cartoon about a local Tennessee state legislator, your knee jerk pre-packaged cognitively dissident Mr. Roboto response is just another incoherent babbling rant about President Obama.

Let me try to play that game…

Did you hear that the President is going to tear down Reagan’s boyhood home to make way for the Obama Presidential Library parking lot? I say ‘good riddance!’ Ronnie raised taxes 12 times and was personally responsible for arguably the biggest boneheaded foreign policy blunder in our nation’s history. Oh yeah, he’s also the father of the economic mythology that we can balance the federal budget by cutting taxes increasing defense spending. We’re still paying for that bologna but it remains republican filet mignon.

If Regan was running for office today he’d get ‘primaried’ by you tea baggers for being a big government tax and spend liberal whose response to the slaughter of Marines in Lebanon was to cut and run.

Too bad Congress didn’t hold hearings on THAT fiasco.

Hey, Canary! Great seeing your post.

February 2, 2013 at 1:15 a.m.
carlB said...

Clay,That is a great one.

AndrewLohr, you are on the losing side because the voters are finally waking up and are A changing the opinions of the "dumbed down" biased voters. When we look at what the situation/conditions occurring when there is an imbalance between the different party leaders in CONTROL and their interest and objectives are to manipulate the ELECTION procedures to help them to/continue getting elected. Here in Tennessee, WHERE are all of the "hiding" young Democratic people who are looking for private and Public jobs? Also, where are all of the Democratic voters who believe in the Democratic principles, who already have jobs but are afraid to speak out because of the possibilities of losing their jobs?

February 2, 2013 at 1:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

Why not do away with the public school system and issue vouchers allowing students and parents to select a charter school, their choice? Public schools only for those with special needs which should be second to none. Weak teachers, administrators and other leaches in the public sector resist any change that would require them to do real work and be competent in their job.

February 2, 2013 at 1:47 a.m.
alprova said...

As usual, Andrew is hitting the wine bottle a little too hard and spouting irreverent irrelevance.

Tennessee State Senator Stacey Campfield is an example of a man with his own agenda. He is a man known for introducing stupid and outrageous legislation.

From two attempts to pass his bill to ban any mention of the word "gay" throughout the entire state for students attending kindergarten through the eighth grade, to allowing that arming all teachers in schools with no resource officers, to this, his latest agenda, Senate Bill 132, which would reduce welfare payments to families by up to 55 percent if their children do not meet academic and attendance targets.

A novel idea, sure, but such an idea will never go any farther than any of his other controversial legislative attempts have gone.

There is a story circulating the web that this past Holloween day, Senator Campfield was ejected from a UT football game after exhibiting some rather strange behavior, following a UT Police request for him to remove a Mexican wrestling mask. Wearing masks at UT Stadium are prohibited.

It seems that following the demand to remove the mask, he left his assigned seat, re-entered the stadium in another section, and was met by Police who demanded to see his ticket, some I.D., and his Tennessee driver's license number and name was recorded on the ticket.

When asked to return to his assigned seat, Senator Campfield began chanting....yes chanting..."I'm just walking around. When did it become legal to walk around?" Every attempt to persuade the man to return to his seat was met with the above response.

As he was being peacefully escorted from the stadium, he continuously repeated the two sentences over and over and over.

A year ago, during an interview, he blurted out this stupid gem;

"Most people realize that AIDS came from the homosexual community -- it was one guy screwing a monkey, if I recall correctly, and then having sex with men. It was an airline pilot, if I recall. My understanding is that it is virtually -- not completely, but virtually -- impossible to contract AIDS through heterosexual sex...very rarely. What's the average lifespan of a homosexual? it's very short. Google it yourself."

Following his ejection from a Knoxville area Restaurant, he whined that his civil rights had been violated.

Here's a 10 minute phone interview he did with David Parkman. The man is a walking, talking source of ignorance...

Oh...and by the way, Stacey Campfield is a 44 year old man who has never been married. Kinda time for the man to go ahead and come out of the closet, eh?

February 2, 2013 at 1:53 a.m.
fairmon said...

20/20 aired an impressive special on charter schools in New Orleans following the destrubtion by Katrina of the public system. The results of charter schools exceeded anything ever seen in their public schools. Parents and students were complimentary. Legislatures, admininstrators and the teachers union were quick to attack the 20/20 program, saying it was not accurate etc. etc.

February 2, 2013 at 1:53 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Why not do away with the public school system and issue vouchers allowing students and parents to select a charter school, their choice?"

I'll give you a very good reason why that is not a good idea.

Because the money that those vouchers would represent that would be used to place children in charter schools, would decimate the educational system for those without the resources to augment their children's education costs.

Secondly, there are not enough charter schools out there to place every child whose parents would like to make the switch, who could do it if vouchers were instituted. What would then be created, is an educational system that would serve those with the funds to bribe their children's way into being accepted at certain schools.

Where would all the teachers for those newly built charter schools come from? Public schools, that's where. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

We read all the time that public schools are screaming for the funds needed to provide a decent education for our kids. What do you think would happen if already inadequate funds were shifted away from public schools? Just as there is now, there would still be winners and losers.

I'm one that feels that our public schools do a fantastic job of educating kids and preparing them for the real world. Kids don't learn what they learn from teachers. They learn a great deal from their peers.

Short of putting each one of your kids in a bubble and never allowing them to interact with another kid, they are going to learn about the real world all on their own.

Anyone, and I do mean anyone, who believes that shutting off your kid's exposure to anything that exists in the real world or that contradicts their religious values, is not going to prevent them from encountering it some day.

The only thing worse than a child learning to deal with the fact that there is such a thing as gay people at the age of 11, is a very naive and ignorant adult in their 20's finding out such realities.

Anyone who believes that being gay is a matter of influence and that by prohibiting any mention of it will keep little Johnny or Janie straight as an arrow, is quite stupid. They are beyond ignorance.

"Public schools only for those with special needs which should be second to none. Weak teachers, administrators and other leaches in the public sector resist any change that would require them to do real work and be competent in their job."

There may well be such a thing as an incompetent teacher, but I dare offer that they are few and far between. Most teachers are dedicated professionals who are very good at guiding young minds respectfully and responsibly.

They are demeaned very much like President Obama.

February 2, 2013 at 2:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said......There may well be such a thing as an incompetent teacher, but I dare offer that they are few and far between.

True but the system will not allow getting rid of them.

alpro added....Most teachers are dedicated professionals who are very good at guiding young minds respectfully and responsibly. They are demeaned very much like President Obama.

The good teachers don't deserve being demeaned the way they are. How do you conclude Obama is demeaned? I never see that happening on the news and 60 minutes sure served slow soft ball pitches with their questions. We will see over the next 4 years if he is can do the job. I don't think so but hope I am so wrong you can demean me unmercifully.

We disagree on the merits of charter schools and a voucher system. I know with all the resistance and fears of the typical citizen a change will not occur.

February 2, 2013 at 6:40 a.m.
carlB said...

Are the US consumers not listening to President Obama about the importance of decreasing our buying of the imported goods? How can we expect to get our middle class production and manufacturing jobs back if the US consumers continue to buy the imported goods? We need to continue to start remanufacturing the goods in the USA. Therefore forcing the private sectors to rethink their higher profit margins gotten when using the people in other low monetary value countries. If the upper 1%- 2% are not paying their share of taxes instead of using the tax loop holes under this global economy for lowering their tax rates, then putting more people to work here in the USA for re-increasing our middle class tax base, getting a better balance for supporting the public service tax paid workers.

February 2, 2013 at 6:45 a.m.
carlB said...

What ARE The True OBJECTIVES of the ANTI OBAMA AND ANTI GOVERNMENT "GROUPS"? We Need to Think About Why There are people so violently against President Obama getting elected and reelected? We know that "bias" and "religion" are two reasons the voters, are against the President and other Democratic candidates. But why would the voters continue to vote for the political party that was bent on the destruction of this Republic

February 2, 2013 at 6:55 a.m.
carlB said...

It appears, in my opinion, that the anti Obama people do not realize the seriousness of this Republic having to go through another great depression, similar to the one in 1929 and are willing to cause THE FAILURE of Obama even if it causes another great depression? Every action of obstruction, including the Ryan budget, that the Republicans take indicates that they do not have any plans to prevent the continuing fall of our economy with the increasing unemployment.

February 2, 2013 at 6:56 a.m.
carlB said...

How long is it going to take for the voters to realize why and how the "budget deficit" has grown?? What WOULD HAPPEN if the needed manufacturing jobs were RE-CREATED and our trade deficit was reduced? Everytime were hear about the Billions of dollars of cost the Government is spending over a ten year plan. THEN NOTHING IS BEING DONE about the $ 40 to $50 billion dollars PER MONTH the US consumers are spending to create this trade deficit. Where does the trade NET deficit money go? When the people HAVE JOBS AVAILABLE and are working and not being forced out of their jobs by the effects of the Global Economy, this would reduce the percentage of the term "free loaders" that we hear many people complaing about.

February 2, 2013 at 7:01 a.m.
jesse said...

The Clay Bennett cartoon reply post!!

A forum for semi literate nuts from all spectrum's to air their opinions on how to correct the problems of the world!

February 2, 2013 at 7:02 a.m.
MTJohn said...

fairmon said...Why not do away with the public school system and issue vouchers allowing students and parents to select a charter school, their choice?

Because to do so would be to return to the failed notion of "separate but equal" and, in the case of many of the schools, to perpetuate segregation in the name of Christian education. And, in practice, it would be vouchers would be nothing more than a tax rebate for families that already can afford the cost of private education.

If you want to talk about a system in which schools absolutely cannot discriminate in the selection of applicants and a sliding-scale of means-tested vouchers, you might be on to something. Otherwise, all you are doing is promoting a system that rewards private schools that were established in response to Brown v. Board of Public Education and rewards the parents who choose to send their children to those schools.

February 2, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn, This man had you in mind.

The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

Winston Churchill

February 2, 2013 at 8:25 a.m.
Rebus said...

Easy, Carb B. When the pubs put up an attractive candidate, the lefties will be swept out. With gusto.

February 2, 2013 at 8:30 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Now that Senator Campfield is attempting to turn school teachers and kids into Gay Gestapo agents (suspicion of being gay) this would be a good time to hire the Republican Evangelicals Agents as school officers.

God's own Homosexual Hit Squad like Conservative, Lohr, Orr, Rebus (Jack Dennis) and some of the other religious fruitcakes could become "Gaydars for God."

Turn them loose in school bathrooms, locker-rooms, broom closets, under the bleachers, in art and music classrooms where these Gaydars, with official badges and guns, to be the instruments of the State and Church to sniff out anyone suspected of being 'different.'

Give them brown shirts and tall, black shiny boots. They could noisily goose step down the halls so everyone knows they're protecting the morals of the fatherland. Short, thick mustaches and skull-patches on their brown shirts would also look good on these men of the SS (Secret Snitches). These same men could assist with book-burnings, eugenics studies, and help the school nurse tattoo those under suspicion.

Since this group always expresses undue and unnerving interest in gay people, they could go on stall patrol or hide in bathroom ceilings, and take video of all activities. Then they could watch the footage for hours to see if little 5 year-old Johnny was engaging in laughing, skipping, or putting his arm around one of his 5 year-old buddies on the playground.

These Gaydars could proudly become professional "Queer-Baiters - To Suspect, Peep, and Report."

At last America can rest easy. Senator Campfield and his SS Gaydars are on patrol.

February 2, 2013 at 8:33 a.m.
dude_abides said...

HA! Fake tu_quoque alert! Another specimen of rather different syntax and 'style.' Maybe the malt liquor was finally overpowering the '5 Hour Energy,' but there was a sudden, sullen change of pace between the "hey, wait, I wasn't finished from the previous thread" post, and the "to Hell with Reagan, but yeah, well, he was a great man" post.

February 2, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
conservative said...

Speaking of Welfare

"The assumption that spending more of the taxpayer's money will make things better has survived all kinds of evidence that it has made things worse. The black family- which survived slavery, discrimination, poverty, wars and depressions- began to come apart as the federal government moved in with its well-financed programs to "help."'

Thomas Sowell

February 2, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
dude_abides said...

jesse said... "The Clay Bennett cartoon reply post!!

A forum for semi literate nuts from all spectrum's..."

jesse, you're just good, clean, all-American fun.

February 2, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
dude_abides said...

conservative... WOW! That was an African American saying that? Well that just proves you've been right all along! An African American family that slaves together stays together! I see your logic, finally! Take everything away, and they do better! But where will we put the money?? I know! Let's give it to the rich! Historically, they seem to have thrived with wealth.

February 2, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
alprova said...

Thomas Sowell is certainly a self-made man, who's last up-close and personal look at the problems that plague the poor and those who are black, was more than 55 years ago.

He naively or ignorantly believes that the wars on discrimination and poverty have been won in this nation for "black families."

He's just another conservative, snug as a bug in his own little cocoon, who thinks that everyone can do what he has done with his life, can join in and become a shining success.

It's quaint, and he appeals to all the racists who flit through their daily lives, thinking that they are all superior to other people, but just as is the case with the quote attributed to him by this forum's Christian in name only (Chrino), his musings are often hardly realistic.

February 2, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
conservative said...

It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”

Thomas Sowell

February 2, 2013 at 9:38 a.m.
alprova said...

Rebus wrote: "Easy, Carb B. When the pubs put up an attractive candidate, the lefties will be swept out. With gusto."

You forgot to add, "I HAVE A DREAM!!!" to the end of that...

February 2, 2013 at 9:39 a.m.
alprova said...

Chrino wrote: "It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong."

Which aptly describes every person who authorizes and endorses sending our men and women into other countries under the pretense of "spreading democracy," "fighting terrorism," or "protecting allies," who came back home in a coffin or was buried where they were killed.

It's a damn shame that those who's name are now on a tombstone, will never have opportunity to speak or write what they think.

February 2, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...MTJohn, This man had you in mind. The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries. Winston Churchill

Conservative - another man, in whom I place greater trust than the trust that you have in Winston, had all of us in mind when he said:

Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself.

I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle.

February 2, 2013 at 9:50 a.m.
conservative said...

Go to the ant, you sluggard!

Consider her ways and be wise,

Which, having no captain, Overseer or ruler,

Provides her supplies in the summer, And gathers her food in the harvest.

How long will you slumber, O sluggard? When will you rise from your sleep?

A little sleep, a little slumber, A little folding of the hands to sleep—

So shall your poverty come on you like a prowler, And your need like an armed man.

February 2, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Oh, Really?

And just where did you get ? "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

February 2, 2013 at 10:05 a.m.
conservative said...

I'd go to, like, six different schools in one year. We were on welfare, and my mom never ever worked. Eminem

February 2, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
conservative said...

Anyone who can walk to the welfare office can walk to work.

Al Capp

February 2, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
Maximus said...

According to my ignorant (liberal, helpless, tax loving,Yankees please continue to think Tennesseans are ignorant, homophobic, rubes, please) Tennessee research, homosexuals occupy about 4 to 6% of the U.S. population but they sure make enough noise to sell us on their "rights struggle". Come on, homosexuals have been around since the beginning of time and they deserve no special rights. It's funny, the civil rights struggle consisted of blacks wanting no special treatment only freedom to pursue their dreams in a society that did not single them out or judge them by their color. It seems the gay movement in the U.S. wants to be considered special, protected, and treated differently with special rights. What's next, gay bathrooms and lunch counters?

As for welfare, like I stated in another thread, we need to dump EBT Cards and Food Stamps and go back hook cheese. People would be lining up for jobs and all the Mexicans mowing yards and making beds in hotels would have to go back to Mehico!

February 2, 2013 at 11:30 a.m.
dude_abides said...
Maximus said...

"According to my ignorant (liberal, helpless, tax loving,Yankees please continue to think Tennesseans are ignorant, homophobic, rubes, please) Tennessee research,..."

Okay, let's take out what's in parentheses: Maximus said... "According to my ignorant Tennessee research,..."

LOL Look what Vander built! LMAO!

February 2, 2013 at 12:05 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Oh, Really?

And just where did you get ? "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

February 2, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Speaking of Thomas Sowell...I've never seen a black man who hates his own race more than he does. I think he actually thinks he's white. He kinda looks like Sammy Davis, Jr. and acts a lot like him too - kissing all that white ass. Sowell cracks me up every time with how he makes it so obvious how brilliant he THINKS he is. I believe he thinks of himself as a modern-day William F. Buckley. Funny.

I guess it's a good thing that we have come so far with race relations that a black person is free enough (albeit stupid enough) today to join the very party that works against his own race's best interests - and then he has the audacity to try to portray the opposite party as the one holding his race back! I've never seen anyone who exhibits such stupidity couched in language and phrasing that make him sound so intelligent. He is the very model of convoluted thinking - BS in other words. I like to read his column, though. He's always good for a laugh. His sidekick Walter Williams is a hoot, too. Does he ever write an editorial without referring to himself in the third person? What's up with that anyway?

February 2, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
Rebus said...

ALPO: You guys have a really tough time with conservative black men. Why is that?

February 2, 2013 at 12:50 p.m.
Maximus said...

Dude, thanks for the shout out to the Dores, the emerging football power in the SEC. I wish I could say the same for AlGore's former area of expertise at Vandy, the Vandy School of Divinity. They just hired a mega liberal lesbian (not that there is anything wrong with that), Emilie M. Townes, from, wait for it....The University of Chicago to head their school of religion. She specializes in Womanist Studies what ever that is. Needless to say, I will make my Vandy alumni yearly contribution check out to the Vandy Football Program. By the way, Dude, where did you go to college, Chatt State? You can spell real gooder..........remember we want the Yankees and the Calli people to think we are hicks, ok Ricky Bobby.

February 2, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Sowell and Williams are playing that token role all the way to the bank.

February 2, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
dude_abides said...

MaxiTOES, you're not fooling anyone. You're a Pennsylvania boy, in spite of how hard you work to appear otherwise. Only one L in California, TOES. If you are what they're producing up there in Penni, Three Mile Island must have been worse than we were told. Back to the assembly line, grunt.

February 2, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
canarysong said...

Maximus: "Come on, homosexuals have been around since the beginning of time and they deserve no special rights." - Yes, you "ignorant, homophobic rube", you are right. The LGBT community deserves no "special rights". They simply deserve the same rights that all the rest of us already have: the right to make an official, legally protected commitment to someone they love and want to spend their life with; the right to have that person by their side during medical emergencies and to give that loved one authority to make medical decisions for them when they are unable to speak for themselves (that power often is given to parents that rejected them for being gay); the right to have earned benefits awarded to that life partner after their death; the right to adopt children and raise a family together; the right to have an equal shot at being hired for any job for which they are qualified; and the right to protection from violence targeted at them specifically because of who they are. These are not "special rights"; these are basic HUMAN RIGHTS - they are "civil rights".

And you just earned every negative stereotype that you resent.

February 2, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.
canarysong said...

You're a sight for sore eyes, too, blackwater. :-)

I've missed your "cleaver"-ness! rofl! We can always count on some unexpected (uh, OK... very expected) laughs from tu_quoque's attempts at brilliance.

February 2, 2013 at 1:43 p.m.
canarysong said...

And another thing, Maximus: Your point about gay people comprising only 4% of the (U.S.?) population.... So what? Is here a magic number that a group must achieve before we stop treating them like dirt? Jewish people are only 2% of the U.S. population; should we be allowed to withhold basic human rights from them as well? What about all the others that wouldn't meet whatever quota you have in your head- What about Americans from India? What about blind Americans? Those in wheelchairs? What about Muslims? (Oh, why am I asking that; I can guess your answer!)

February 2, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
carlB said...

Rebus said... Easy, Carb B. When the pubs put up an attractive candidate, the lefties will be swept out. With gusto.

Rebus, Since there has been the lack of judgment on what/whom is "an attractive candidate," does that mean the last two persons to gert elected in the TN 3rd and 4th US Congressional Districts were the best "attractive candidates"?

February 2, 2013 at 2:11 p.m.
alprova said...

Rebus wrote: "ALPO: You guys have a really tough time with conservative black men. Why is that?"

I have a real tough time with conservatives...period, due to their propensity to practice rampant hypocrisy. Thomas Sewell's skin color is merely a factor that matters only to people like yourself.

I have never referred to the man as a "black" anything. That came from your fingers.

Project much?

February 2, 2013 at 2:43 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"ALPO: You guys have a really tough time with conservative black men. Why is that?" - rebus

Exactly, Alpo. I have a really tough time with conservatives, period, too.

Unless you're one of the top one or two percent, rebus, it makes no sense whatsoever to support or vote for Republicans today. You are basically voting for a party that doesn't give a rat's ass about you unless you're rich enough to line their pockets and pump up their campaign coffers.

You might not be hurting right now, but keep voting in more tea-bagging Republicans and it's only a matter of time before you will feel the hurt. Keep piling on the austerity and minimizing or dispensing with regulation and keep thinking that trickle-down works and it won't be long before the next recession hits. Only it won't be a recession next time but a full-blown depression - at which point your money will probably be worthless and no amount of your "rugged individualism" will pull you up by your boot straps.

Conservatives are stuck in the past and can't see the forest for the trees. And when they do see the trees, they won't to clear-cut them and build another upscale golfing community... or another Walmart or Dollar Store (their contribution to job creation - more dead-end, service oriented, minimum-wage jobs).

February 2, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Hey, Roo;

What's your idea? How do you propose for us all to obtain food, clothing and shelter without somebody working for it?

Where does the wealth to pay taxes and support people who refuse to work come from?

I am no fan of predatory capitalism. People who obtain wealth SHOULD be philanthropic and use it to benefit others. People SHOULD create jobs when they can, but the truth of human society is that we all live by our own labor, or someone else's. At some level, it's as simple as one guy catches fish, and trades them to another guy who grows potatoes. Where's the niche for person who thinks the world owes them a living? Thieves and beggars?

And where do we get civil servants? We give them fish and potatoes in return for them protecting us from the thieves and beggars.

It seems to me, and please fill me in if I'm wrong, that people who think like you think expect other people who have a lot of money to make up a job to be filled by others who don't really produce anything of tangible value. We should fund jobs for actors and musicians and poets and pay those who wait on tables an executive salary because, well, somebody else gets that much money, don't they?

The idea of socialism is wonderful. The REALITY of socialism is that the evil and predatory side of human nature will always be with us, and the people who end up in charge are never as smart and benevolent as they would need to be in order for a socialist society to be a true paradise.

So, please, fill us in. Give us the details. We know the dream. Just tell us how to make it happen instead of complaining because nobody else already provided it for you.

February 2, 2013 at 3:40 p.m.
medrep63 said...

I LOVE YOU CLAY BENNETT!!!!

February 2, 2013 at 3:41 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Oh, Really?

And just where did you get ? "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

February 2, 2013 at 4:17 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"... but the truth of human society is that we all live by our own labor, or someone else's. At some level, it's as simple as one guy catches fish, and trades them to another guy who grows potatoes. Where's the niche for person who thinks the world owes them a living?" - prairie_dog

Gee, thanks for your profound truths about the reality of life, PD. I have lived 62 years and never had a clue...not 'til now. You have explained it all to me so clearly. Henceforth, I am going to start catching my own fish and I might even try trading some of them to the guy 2 miles up the road who grows potatoes. I'll see how that works out for me and I'll get back to you. Who knows, I might like this self-reliance kick so much I'll leave this socialist hippie commune I'm living on and go buy my own house and car (and I'll be sure NOT to get a Prius or one of them tree-huggers' electric cars). Why, I might even vote Republican next time! I'm feeling better about myself already. Hold on a minute...I see something sticking up out of my boots. Why, it's boot straps! I'm bending over now...pulling myself up. Wow....waddaya know...I feel born again! I feel proud...self reliant. Look, Mom, I'm one of them rugged individualists! Hmm...I'm getting this strange compulsion to read "Atlas Shrugged" all of a sudden...and buy an AR15....and picket an abortion clinic. Damn, you've really turned my life around prairie dog. I could kiss you. But how gay would that be, huh? Let's go huntin' together sometime, PD, waddaya say? I can see that I have so much to learn from you...you wise old hound-dog you.

February 2, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY ROO,prairie dog has more common sense in his big toe than you got in your entire brain! You just spout your garbage because it makes you feel like a humanist,when what it actually shows is you are just shuckin and jiven!

February 2, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...MTJohn, Oh, Really? And just where did you get ? "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

Conservative - I'm surprised that you have to ask.

February 2, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Yap, yap, yap. Is that a Sh#tzu I hear yapping? Oh wait...it's just jesse. At least I got the "sh#t" part right.

February 2, 2013 at 4:43 p.m.
canarysong said...

Jesse, would you care to explain to us what you mean by "shuckin and jiven"?

February 2, 2013 at 4:44 p.m.
conservative said...

Not half as suprised after you answer.

February 2, 2013 at 4:47 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said...

If you want to talk about a system in which schools absolutely cannot discriminate in the selection of applicants and a sliding-scale of means-tested vouchers.

Agree. Regulation and no discrimination must be part of any system. I don't understand why testing is not on an individual basis to see if a student is making progress which is the important measurement. Every child should be assured clothing, food, transportation and tutoring or assistance if needed to assure good progress and learning is occurring. Individual student testing would be a better measurement over time of a teachers ability.

There is one thing certain, what we now have is not working for way too many students and throwing mammoth amounts of money at it will at best make a small increment of difference.

February 2, 2013 at 4:47 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn:

"Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

"I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle"

Oh, Really?

And just where did you get ? "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

February 2, 2013 at 4:48 p.m.
rolando said...

Well, there's your [non]answer, prarie_dog...such as it is.

Actually, it wasn't half bad [for a Progressive].

February 2, 2013 at 4:53 p.m.
conservative said...

A family member asked my wife, "Aren't you concerned about his (our son's) socialization with other kids?" My wife gave this response: "Go to your local middle school, junior high, or high school, walk down the hallways, and tell me which behavior you see that you think our son should emulate."

Manfred B. Zysk

February 2, 2013 at 4:57 p.m.
rolando said...

I see this rag is slowly but steadily [and finally] going out of business...it's income from advertising has fallen off so badly it must raise its subscribers' rates [known in federal circles as "taxes"]. But then that's how socialism works...drive off the businesses, sell off all the tangibles, and finally, enslave the people.

[See chattanoogan.com, a better source of news]

February 2, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

AKA: "Value of most welfare recipients to society." It is a taking and non-giving bunch for the most part.

February 2, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.
jesse said...

Canary song! Shukin & jiven!Definition! Runnin your mouth just because you like the sound of your own voice!!

2 Talkin when you ain't got nothin to say!

Does this help you out any ???(actually i woulda thought you knew all about this stuff!!)BTW: I have no idea why that jumped up in BOLD type!!)

February 2, 2013 at 5:01 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...And just where did you get ? "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

As I said, conservative, I'm surprised that you don't already know the answer to that question. But, in case you really do not know, try Matthew 22:37-40; Mark 12:30-31; and, Luke 10:25-28.

February 2, 2013 at 5:01 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Where is Matthew 22:37-40; Mark 12:30-31; and, Luke 10:25-28?

February 2, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
rick1 said...

Why do liberals have a problem with Thomas Sowell, Walter Williams and other black conservatives?

Al, you do not know Thomas Sowell, but because you do not agree with his views you make comments that not positive. When someone does not agree with Obama and makes comments that are not positive you are the first to call them out as being a racist.

Rickaroo, makes the following comments:

“'I’ve never seen a black man who hates his own race more than he does. I think he actually thinks he's white.”

“I guess it's a good thing that we have come so far with race relations that a black person is free enough (albeit stupid enough) today to join the very party that works against his own race's best interests - and then he has the audacity to try to portray the opposite party as the one holding his race back! “

Spoken like a true racist. You hate the fact that Sowell and other black conservatives actually use free will to make their own decision on their political views and have fled the government plantation.

Liberals preach free will and tolerance of others, but are anything but tolerant when someone does not have the same views or beliefs as they have.

February 2, 2013 at 5:13 p.m.
jesse said...

Rick1< Sowell is a REALIST. right off the bat that gets him turd slingin from Al ,dude, nooga and easy!Reality has NO punch w/the lib elite! DON'T TELL IT LIKE IT IS,TELL IT LIKE THEY WISH IT WAS!!

February 2, 2013 at 5:22 p.m.
conservative said...

"I believe welfare makes you lazy and unproductive."

Charles Evers, brother of Medgar Evers

February 2, 2013 at 6:01 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... IBeAshamed: Below is the text of the bill so why don’t you point out the details that support the claims made in the article you quoted?"

It's been obvious for quite some time to most on this forum, Reading Comprehension is not your strong suit. What you have requested is found in the article from the text of the proposed bill

February 2, 2013 at 6:11 p.m.
canarysong said...

Actually, jesse, if your intention was not to use that term as a racial pejorative, then the other common definition is "to mislead, deceive, or lie". Now why would you think that I would "know all about that"? As for your incorrect definition of "runnin your mouth [sic]", I think that you're probably more familiar with that than I am; you certainly do plenty of that here.

February 2, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
conservative said...

A socialist is somebody who doesn't have anything, and is ready to divide it up equally among everybody

George Bernard Shaw

February 2, 2013 at 6:18 p.m.
jesse said...

It NEVER FAILs, you try to have a coherent,reasonable exchange of ideas or opinions w/a librul and some way some how they will bring RACE into the dialog!Because i used the term "shuckin and jivin" which i been usin ALL my life w/o any thought relating to race< canary song puts a racial slant on it! If i said "white on rice" or Stink on sh!t" would you find a racist slant to those??

February 2, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...MTJohn,Where is Matthew 22:37-40; Mark 12:30-31; and, Luke 10:25-28?

Conservative - when did you quit reading Scripture?

February 2, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

Does this mean that you got ""Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself." from Scripture or the Bible?

If so why didn't you state so when I asked? Why the game?

February 2, 2013 at 6:42 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Con-man, your flippant one liners about socialism might be relevant if there was really anybody here who was calling for a truly socialist state. If you and the other wing-nuts halfway listened to what we libs are saying, you'd know that we don't have any gripes about free enterprise as such. But just because we see the value of sensible regulation, laws and policies that protect the consumer and the environment, and we think that government can actually be a force for good, that doesn't mean we want to issue in a Marxist state where we're all living in one great big commune. You guys just spit out your usual knee-jerk babble without regard for what we're really saying. Why don't you just go back to regurgitating some of your Bible quotes? They make about as much sense as anything else you say....which is no sense at all.

February 2, 2013 at 6:42 p.m.
carlB said...

If any of you want to understand more about "OUR GLOBAL ECONOMY" HERE IS A GOOD SITE. My opinion is that it explains exactly how we got into our loss of jobs and the other conditions caused from having an unsustainable trade deficit of $40 Billion Dollars to $50 Billion Dollars per MONTH. That and the FRAUD occurri g in the PRIVATE Financial systems.

Trade Deficit http://useconomy.about.com/od/glossary/g/Trade_Deficit.htm

February 2, 2013 at 6:43 p.m.
canarysong said...

Sorry to break it to you, jesse. That term is commonly considered to be racist; it's not at all unreasonable for me to speculate that you may have meant it that way. It inherently has a "racial slant"; look up the etymology of the phrase if you doubt me. None of your feigned outrage or reactionary defensiveness can change that reality. If you don't want to be mistaken(?) for a racist, then maybe you could use less inflammatory language. Words matter and choices have consequences; take responsibility for yours.

February 2, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
conservative said...

"We need to take responsibility and educate people. That's why black folks don't like me. I always say it's our responsibility to make safe neighborhoods. It's our job to get them cleaned up."

(Charles Evers) brother of Medgar Evers

February 2, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Careful, jesse. Don't let your feathers get too ruffled. Remember, you're the "Taoist" among us, the always cool-headed, objective observer of life. You don't want to look like you're taking sides or anything, do you? You know, you're independent, in the middle, above the madness of it all....except when it comes to liberal bashing.

February 2, 2013 at 6:54 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...If so why didn't you state so when I asked? Why the game?

I guess I could ask you the same question, conservative. Why the game? Based on our previous exchanges, I thought you regularly read Scripture. Thus, I assumed that you would have been familiar with those passages even though it is not apparent how those passages inform how you perceive your responsibility to your neighbors who are less fortunate than yourself.

February 2, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

Dang, Rick. We're the same age.

I don't feel a need to go hunting, or bomb an abortion clinic, or do any of those other things. You don't have to be a total @$$hole to support yourself. Really.

I've worked and either helped support, or supported myself every day since 1968, and employed other people, and had ups and downs, and played music and sold some and written books and sold some and risked my life to save other people and all kinds of stuff that never HURT another living soul (or, "aura" I guess, in your case).

I've got a wife and a family and medical insurance and an income I invested many years in to provide for myself and never ONCE did I oppress other people. How does that happen?

It's because it's what most people who make a living do.

The last time I was involved in any "oppression" was in 1969 when I was denied a summer job in the drafting room at the 3M plant because I was a white boy. Really.

You're angry at a few people who most of the rest of us would like to see go away and never come back again. Don't you think my life would be better and my community would be better if they took half of the compensation of CEOs and created jobs, internships, apprenticeships, and charitable foundations to provide for the less fortunate?

You've wasted a life you COULD HAVE USED to help other people.

February 2, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
conservative said...

MTJohn,

So why do you keep stalling? Did you get"Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" from Scripture or the Bible or some other source?

If you got it from Scripture or the Bible are you ashamed to say so? Just state " I got it from the Bible," or "I got it from Scripture."

February 2, 2013 at 7:38 p.m.
patriot1 said...

Careful jesse....those grammar nazis are out there, better not use anything that has not been sanitized and approved by them.

February 2, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
alprova said...

Rick1 wrote: "Al, you do not know Thomas Sowell, but because you do not agree with his views you make comments that not positive."

As I stated earlier, Thomas Sowell is a self-made man. I give him full credit for that. The fact remains that he left his impoverished roots behind in the rear-view mirror more than 50 years ago. He's completely out of touch. He's a product of Harvard.

How many poor black people have ever walked the sidewalk in front of Harvard? While it is a verifiable fact that just short of 12% of new enrollees to Harvard are black, less than half of those are from families that have been in America for generations. More than half, 6% are immigrants with dark skin, many with no African ancestry whatsoever, who are classified as blacks.

Get back to me when Harvard and the other Ivy League schools are admitting 20% or better of generational African-Americans. Until then, an elite is an elite is an elite, no matter the color of their skin.

"When someone does not agree with Obama and makes comments that are not positive you are the first to call them out as being a racist."

I have never called anyone a racist who presents any disagreement with the man. I have disagreements with the man myself. But when people insist on repetitively arguing invalid points, proven falsehoods, lies, and the like, the only explanation for people to continue to offer such crap, is either due to the fact that they are a bigot or a racist.

My accusation that Thomas Sowell is out of touch with the average black person is proven with his own words. He believes that the war on poverty and discrimination has been won. It may well be the case where he is concerned, but I assure you that poverty is very much alive, as is discrimination for people who are not lily white.

This is an interesting subject, and I have lots to offer on it, including my own perceptions that have become realities in and of themselves, but I'll refrain from diving too deep into the issue any further today. I'm sure the issue will come up again in the future.

I have to fight every single day to not size people up at first glance. Everyone does. Everyone.

Thomas Sowell triumphed over his roots. He is one man out of how many people just like him that have done the same thing? According to the Government, only 18.5% of all black people in this nation have successfully completed a college education.

Only 1.6 million black people out of nearly 44 million, have advanced degrees.

Compare this to Caucasians. A full 37% have a four year degree. 44.2 million or around 18% of all Caucasians have an advanced degrees.

When the percentages even up a bit, then I will be happy to agree with Thomas Sowell that there have been advances made to win the wars on poverty and discrimination.

February 2, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.
conservative said...

We talked about many issues, like welfare, is it the way of life or hand up? Talked about size of government, how much should it tax families and small businesses? And when we left that lunch, we got in the car and I looked over at Chuck and said, 'I'll be. we're Republicans.'

Susana Martinez (a Demoncrat at that time)

February 2, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
carlB said...

conservative said... "We need to take responsibility and educate people. That's why black folks don't like me. I always say it's our responsibility to make safe neighborhoods. It's our job to get them cleaned up." (Charles Evers) brother of Medgar Evers =================

conservative, WHAT KIND OF SCHOOL ARE YOU RUNNING? You appear to act the same as a "street preacher" Are you sure that all of the sinners in your neighborhood are "educated' on the words of the Bible?

February 2, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
canarysong said...

It has nothing whatsoever to do with "grammar", patriot1.

February 2, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
Rebus said...

ALPO: So Thomas Sowell walked the sidewalks of Harvard? The very nerve, eh ALPO?

February 2, 2013 at 8:38 p.m.
alprova said...

Conservative is trying to wiggle out of the fact that he did not know the source of MTJohn's quote, and the fact that he was ready at one time to pounce on the man to claim that such wording was not contained in the Bible.

MTJohn trumped him not once, not twice, but three times.

Now Chrino is attempting to twist this into an accusation that MTJohn was ashamed to immediately offer that those words could be found in the Bible.

Yep...Chrino should have known where those words came from, but those are not portions of scripture that he had personal knowledge of, but he sure knows where all the anti-homosexual ones are.

Chrino, you're so easy to see through. You're doggone nearly invisible.

February 2, 2013 at 8:38 p.m.
alprova said...

patriot1 wrote: "Careful jesse....those grammar nazis are out there, better not use anything that has not been sanitized and approved by them."

Far be it for anyone to expect adults, who proclaim themselves to be educated, informed, and sensible, to communicate on such a level.

There is nothing more stupid than to see a man or woman in their 60's and 70's attempting to communicate like a bubble gum chewing, pimple popping, adolescent.

Vernacular offered by a Caucasian is about as childish and as bigoted as one can get, and it will never be kooooaaaalllll.

February 2, 2013 at 8:46 p.m.
conservative said...

Alprova:

Once again you are 100% wrong.

MTJohn, will not state that his close quote is from the Bible or Scripture because he has set a trap for himself and knows it.

You have only once again displayed your own arrogance and ignorance of the Bible.

Go ahead, ask MTJohn to specifically state that his statement "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" is from the Bible.

I actually feel sorry for you. You just can't wait to look silly.

February 2, 2013 at 8:50 p.m.
alprova said...

Rebus wrote: "ALPO: So Thomas Sowell walked the sidewalks of Harvard? The very nerve, eh ALPO?"

Isn't it about time for your nightly can of Ensure? Don't forget to dip those dentures in that 'ole glass jar before you pass out in your computer chair around 1:00am.

This is exactly the type of commentary that I was referring to the other night when I attempted to point out your usual demeanor.

You're just full of stupid commentary, aren't you?

Do the world a favor. Cancel your tryout date at the Comedy Catch for next weekend.

You're about as funny as a fart in a spacesuit.

February 2, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.
dude_abides said...

Anybody care to guess the political leanings of that whack job in Alabama that shot the school bus driver and kidnapped the child he is now holding hostage in a bunker? Think he's liberal?

February 2, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova:

I'm going to even give you a clue as to why MTJohn will not directly state that his "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" is from the Bible or Scripture.

However, I doubt that you will get it due to your extreme hate,arrogance and ignorance.

Here is the clue :

MTJohn:

"Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

"I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle"

Oh, Really?

And just where did you get ? "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

February 2, 2013 at 4:48 p.m.

Now, stay up most of the night figuring it out and spewing hate if you do. You are one poor miserable man. I really do feel sorry for you.

February 2, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

And, since we're getting near the end of this drivel, isn't it funny that Clay measures success by the dollar amount printed on a welfare check? That is just sad.

February 2, 2013 at 9:30 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Alprova: Once again you are 100% wrong."

Do tell...

"MTJohn, will not state that his close quote is from the Bible or Scripture because he has set a trap for himself and knows it."

MTJohn originally wrote, and I quote;

"Conservative - another man, in whom I place greater trust than the trust that you have in Winston, had all of us in mind when he said:"

"Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

I knew immediately where that quote came from. You were certain that it was not from the Bible, which is why you challenged him to cite the source of it.

When he finally did, three fold, you knew you had been embarrassed to the nth degree, so then you concocted this fictitious farce of an attempt to shame MTJohn for not responding to your challenge sooner, as if he were ashamed to cite scripture.

Anyone who has been around in here any length of time at all, knows that MTJohn has declared his love for the Lord many times.

What he is not, is a Bible thumping, cherry-picking, wannabe.

"You have only once again displayed your own arrogance and ignorance of the Bible."

Oh brother...how you arrive at that conclusion is beyond all rhyme or reason. That has become your standard reply every single time anyone challenges your brand of Christianity.

That's your problem. I'll not be bothered to make it mine.

"Go ahead, ask MTJohn to specifically state that his statement "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" is from the Bible."

You're digging your hole deeper. He knew, or thought he knew, that you would know exactly where that quote could be found.

You didn't ask the man the source because you believed he would not cite it. You asked him because you were CERTAIN that it could not be found in the Bible. You were wrong.

I was laughing out loud when I saw what was about to transpire, for I knew that you were going to walk right into a spiderweb that you spun yourself.

"I actually feel sorry for you. You just can't wait to look silly."

Whatever Sir. You and I both know what your challenge was all about. You were certain that you were going to expose another incorrect attribution, similar to the "Golden Rule," believed by many to have originated from the Bible.

Ooops!!

February 2, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"You've wasted a life you COULD HAVE USED to help other people." - prairie_dog

PD, you have chosen the wrong screen-name for yourself. Obnoxious_pig would suit you better. You don't know the least thing about my life and yet you have the audacity to say that I have wasted it. Surely you have enough smarts to realize that my last post directed at you was in jest? No matter what I might have said to you or about you, it's been based only on what I know from your comments here. I know better than to make broad, unfounded accusations about your personal life and whether I could say that you've "wasted" it or not, because I know that I don't know anything about your personal life. I only comment on what I know. Anyway, since when did this become a contest about who's the most like Mother Theresa, or who is more charitable and loving - liberals or conservatives?

I'm not about to sit here and give a recounting of what I've done with my life and see if it passes muster with you. Nor am I going to try to boast louder and longer than you about how I have helped other people - though I could easily do that if I were as superficial as you are. I don't brag about my accomplishments and I think that those who do so, or they draw attention to themselves about helping others, are insecure, at the least, and morally and spiritually deficient, at worst. Even if I never helped one other person, animal, or insect in my entire life, I have always worked hard and carried my own weight and never even come close to being a drain on society like you seem to have it in your head that all liberals are.

I don't know of ANY liberals who actually want to just mooch off the government and do nothing with their lives. Every liberal I've ever known, myself included, has believed in the value of hard work and self reliance. We're really not so different from conservatives in that regard. But you wing-nuts seem to have gotten it in your heads that all liberals just want a perpetual "nanny state." Good god, open your eyes and ears, man, and see where we're coming from. We're not Marxists who want to live in communes, we don't hate free enterprise, business owners, or rich people (at least, not just because they're rich. The Koch brothers, however, can burn in hell, for all I care).

As for your remarks about oppression - where does that come from?? I never said anything about oppression. You are blowing stuff out your ass just 'cause you can, I guess.

But enough said. I've spent too much time on here today. If I'm guilty of wasting any part of my life, it's wasting too much time trying to talk sense with arrogant twits like you who talk nothing but nonsense. Peace.

Oops. I guess that hippie lingo doesn't go over too well with you lib-haters, does it? Whatever.

February 2, 2013 at 9:56 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...Go ahead, ask MTJohn to specifically state that his statement "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" is from the Bible.

Conservative - not only have I already stated that the passage is from Scripture, I cited the three references from the Gospel. I could have cited a fourth, the passage from Deuteronomy that is referenced in the three cites from the Gospels except that passage is just about loving God, not also about loving neighbor.

Now, may I ask you, given your familiarity with the Bible, when we can expect that you will make posts that are consistent with the new commandment that Jesus gave to His disciples? You can also find that commandment in the Bible - you should look in John's account of the Last Supper.

February 2, 2013 at 9:56 p.m.
canarysong said...

tu_quoque (unlike you, I don't feel the need to put others down by giving them an insulting name): I don't use Wikipedia for those very reasons, but apparently you do, despite being aware of its inherent problems. I did double check my information before I posted; I don't like to just "run off at the mouth", as jesse likes to phrase it. I checked two academic reference sources, not open to being "altered" by the public.. The etymology of a word often does follow it throughout its history and continue to flavor it with a certain connotation.

I think that the best measures of whether or not a word or phrase is "offensive" is to ask the group of people who we think might be offended by it. I suggest an experiment: why don't you and jesse go into a bar that is frequented by a primarily African-American clientele (otherwise known simply as "Americans"). Tell someone there (for my amusement, let's make it a large, muscular man whose had a few too many drinks) that they are "shucking and jiving". Let's see what happens..... (pastey white backside hitting the floor in 3.... 2.... )

The fact that you continually use the word "retard" as an insult tells us everything we need to know about your character. You are hardly someone to be explaining how words are simply twisted out of context. You have no compassion and no class.

February 2, 2013 at 10:01 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "alprova: I'm going to even give you a clue as to why MTJohn will not directly state that his "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself" is from the Bible or Scripture."

Uh huh...

"However, I doubt that you will get it due to your extreme hate,arrogance and ignorance."

You're totally pathetic, but please, by all means, continue...

"Here is the clue :"

"MTJohn:"

"Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

"I'm all for reforming public education based on that principle"

"Oh, Really?"

"And just where did you get ? "Love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, soul and mind and love your neighbor as yourself."

Sir...you are certifiably insane with hopeless nonsense rolling around in your cranium. You keep repeating the same crap over and over, just like Senator Stacey Campfield did those two sentences last Halloween. I've had more meaningful and productive conversations with my cats.

"Now, stay up most of the night figuring it out and spewing hate if you do."

I figured it out from the get-go. Your attempt to run from what you were SURE was not to be found in the Bible, once proven, is about the most hilarious dodge attempt you have offered to date.

"Thou shall not bear false witness"

Do you know where that came from, or do I need to make a formal declaration?

"You are one poor miserable man."

Actually, I am happy to report that I have not the first clue as to what miserable means these days. I haven't been miserable in years.

"I really do feel sorry for you."

I appreciate your concern, but you have problems of your own that you need to address. Do yourself a favor and put me on the bottom of your list. I'm a-okay.

February 2, 2013 at 10:08 p.m.
canarysong said...

On Sarah Palin's use of the phrase:

“This is racial code language that harkens back to 1930s radio, from the era of Amos and Andy,” said Hasan Kwame Jeffries, a professor of African-American History at Ohio State University.

“It brings out the worst of Jim Crowism and the portrayal of Black buffoonery,” Jeffries said. “She is asking people to dismiss Obama’s foreign policy with regard to Libya because it comes from a Black man. This is powerfully coded. Is there no end to this kind of thinking?”

February 2, 2013 at 10:14 p.m.
dude_abides said...

canarysong... That is why it was so sickening to see tu_ get all dramatic after the Sandy Hook tragedy. It plays it tough as nails, then crumbles publicly, as if there were some, at long last, humanity abiding in it's cold, carbon-carbon heart.

February 2, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
canarysong said...

Yes, I knew I would get that type of response. Wouldn't want to listen to someone who actually studies the subject as his life's work, would we? An "elitist academic"! Better we should listen to.... You? Now I'm laughing!

As for your other post.... well, it just doesn't make sense. No, I don't engage in name-calling. I wouldn't even call you an insulting name, especially if that name denigrates and is likely to hurt someone else. But I will say what I think, and I do think that you are callous and without class. Do I think that I act better than that and feel emotions that are better than that toward other people? Yes.

February 2, 2013 at 10:56 p.m.
canarysong said...

Dude, yes, I saw that. I had a hard time keeping my food down.....

February 2, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
canarysong said...

Btw... Tu-quoque, I don't think badly of most of the people on this forum that have religious or political views that are different than mine. Sometimes they even help me see another perspective and understand things a little better. (True, that's rare the way conversations tend to take a downward spiral around here!) I just don't think highly of you because of your extreme nastiness. I just can't imagine what could make a person so hateful. The venom that comes through your every post is palpable; I feel like I need a shower after I read them....

February 2, 2013 at 11:09 p.m.
Rebus said...

ALPO: So rather than respond to my post you do geriatric jokes and have the temerity to call me out. You've been hanging around noggins, easy & dude_ too much.

February 2, 2013 at 11:13 p.m.
canarysong said...

"Now that truly hurt but I know you didn't really mean it that way ... LMFaO!"

No, I meant it exactly that way.

"...it only matters where the low-information person and voter get theirs. Since they are the ones you can manipulate by providing them access to the message you want them to receive."

Paranoid much? The right's conspiracy theories are becoming very tiresome. The "low information voter" is often someone who gets most or all of their 'news' from Fox - that is their choice. In "the information age", ignorance is largely a choice as well. We all have access to most of the same information; it's up to us to pick and choose wisely. We can sit mindlessly in front of 'American Idol' and 'Jersey Shore'; we can poison our minds with blogs spouting xenophobic rhetoric and wild conspiracy theories; or we can take advantage of the fact that knowledge is increasingly becoming democratized, available to more people than ever before. Choices have consequences....

"A person is a fool to let special interest groups pressure them into self-censorship."

It isn't a matter of self-censorship, it's a matter of caring about the feelings of others. I don't want want to hurt people; if I do it unintentionally (and I'm sure I occasionally do), I care about that, too. I can imagine what it might feel like to have a developmentally disabled child and hear someone throwing around the word "retard" - I never want to make someone feel like that. If compassion made one a fool (it doesn't!), I would carry the label gladly.

My one caveat: if someone shows nothing but cruelty toward others, then I no longer care if hearing the truth about what I think of their behavior "hurts" them.... but I still won't be nasty about it.

February 2, 2013 at 11:55 p.m.
alprova said...

canarysong, I truly like your style...

February 3, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
canarysong said...

Thanks, Al. :-)

February 3, 2013 at 12:17 a.m.
MTJohn said...

tu_quoque said...My first thought was .. So here is a Libtard that wants to reform our secular public school system using biblical principles. Once the argument started I assumed that was what Conservative was trying to bring out.

TQ - close, but not quite. It was a case of one Christian explaining why he thinks that the children who come from disenfranchised families should have the same quality education that I expect for my own children. And, along with that, questioning why another person, who also professes to be Christian, would not want the same.

February 3, 2013 at 8:17 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...Someone who truly loved their neighbor and who sought to obey that commandment of God and the words of Jesus would surely seek to instruct school children in God's word.

Conservative - you have tried to play this game with me before. If you want to continue the conversation with me, this is the thread in which we should do it. I will not join you in hijacking the other conversation.

As I said above, the principle of loving my neighbor compels me to desire the same quality of public education for my neighbors as I expect for my own children.

I do not believe that love for my neighbor compels me to demand that public schools teach my neighbors' children the faith which I profess. And, if I want my children to learn that faith, it is my duty, as their father, to bring them up in the way of the Lord.

And, because I have a duty to love my neighbor, I believe that I also have a duty, as a citizen, to honor the establishment clause in the First Amendment. If you choose to send your children to a private school that teaches your understanding of Scripture, I respect your right to do that. I would stand with you in challenging the government should the government attempt to prohibit you from doing so. However, that does not mean that you have a right to expect the government to pay for your personal choice. You are not entitled to a refund on your school taxes because you choose to not use the public schools for the education of your children anymore that the person who has no children in public schools entitled to a refund on his property taxes.

February 3, 2013 at 5:38 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...SO, you want to aid alprova in charging me with running for cover by going somewhere where no one will read.

Look at it this way, Conservative. If you insist on responding to me in the wrong thread, you are guaranteed to get the last word.

February 5, 2013 at 10:53 a.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...MTJohn said...If you want to talk about a system in which schools absolutely cannot discriminate in the selection of applicants and a sliding-scale of means-tested vouchers, you might be on to something...I do not oppose vouchers for parents who send their children to parochial schools! I oppose giving vouchers to parents who can afford to send their children to parochial schools and who you choose to not send their children to integrated public schools. I am all for giving parents vouchers if 1) the amount of the vouchers are means tested; 2) if the vouchers are sufficient to pay for the education of the children whose parents can least afford; 3) if the vouchers are used in schools that do not discriminate in their enrollment; and, 4) if the vouchers are used in schools that provide an accredited education.

Conservative - I understand how what I said contradicts your perspective. However, please how explain my response to fairmon contradicts the second statement which, in fact, is nothing more than an expanded version of the previous explanation of the circumstances in which I would agree that vouchers are worth considering.

February 5, 2013 at 12:14 p.m.
MTJohn said...

conservative said...You are a professing Christian (your term "liberal Christian") so you should know that you are instructed to teach children the word of God. This is not done in public schools. In fact many things taught in public schools are contrary to the word of God. This is obvious to Christians.

Conservative - I recall professing to be Christian on this board, several times. I don't recall adding the "liberal" qualifier to my confession, but it is different from yours. And, if you are the example for conservative Christianity, I am not of your stripe.

I understand my duty to raise my children in the fear and admonition of the Lord. That is my duty, not the state's. I also have a a duty to ensure that my children are equipped to function as responsible citizens. Regardless of whether school is public, private or private/parochial, I expect the schools to provide a quality secular eduction.

I do not agree that public schools are ungodly. They are not immoral institutions, they are non-religious institutions. And, in a society that professes separation of church and state, that is exactly what they are supposed to be.

My duty to love my neighbor includes my obligation to respect the fact that my neighbor might wish to raise his children in a faith tradition other than my own. And, I believe that I am a more faithful witness to Christ's commandments to love God and love neighbor through my behavior than condemning him as an evil doer because he does not share my faith.

February 5, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
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