published Tuesday, February 12th, 2013

The Gun Debate

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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A constructive, tasteful, and thought-provoking contribution to the gun debate. Clay, you've outdone yourself.

February 12, 2013 at 12:25 a.m.
328Kwebsite said...

I don't like suicide jokes, and I wish you would stop making them.

February 12, 2013 at 1:20 a.m.
WHS1970 said...

Sometimes the truth hurts, does'nt it Scotty?

February 12, 2013 at 7:16 a.m.
dude_abides said...

What suicide? That was a little boy ploy to get his way. Who puts a gun in their mouth and then gets elected to office? Southern conservatives, that's who. If a center/right republican around here said they thought guns were dangerous they would be committing political suicide.

February 12, 2013 at 7:18 a.m.
ibshame said...

DesJarlais is just another example of why the South is considered the epicenter of ignorance for the Nation. Now the yahoos in the Tennessee legislature have just made sure companies like Volkswagen and others won't even consider this state for bringing more jobs where people can make a decent paycheck. They were warned the bill allowing people to bring guns onto public and private businesses would not be acceptable but they passed it anyway. Now Haslam will sign it and Tennessee can kiss those jobs GOOD-BYE. Of course in the end one can't really blame those yahoos in Nashville because if the voters didn't put them in they couldn't do the damage they have done.

February 12, 2013 at 7:36 a.m.
frayne48 said...

Not funny or thought provoking, in fact pretty bad taste.

February 12, 2013 at 7:38 a.m.
Reardon said...

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February 12, 2013 at 7:59 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett sinks to a new low.

February 12, 2013 at 8:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

I am a permitted gun(s) owner that objects to the state legislatures decision to ignore the rights of property owners to prohibit guns on their property. My rights end where the rights of others begin. Too many legislatures think they know what is best for a business although most are such poor managers they could not manage to make water run down hill. Perhaps those affected business should lease the property to a for profit parking operation and allow people to pay for parking. Legislatures are pandering to a smaller number of voters than they think.

February 12, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
jjmez said...

ibshame said... DesJarlais is just another example of why the South is considered the epicenter of ignorance for the Nation. Now the yahoos in the Tennessee legislature have just made sure companies like Volkswagen and others won't even consider this state for bringing more jobs where people can make a decent paycheck. They were warned the bill allowing people to bring guns onto public and private businesses would not be acceptable but they passed it anyway. Now Haslam will sign it and Tennessee can kiss those jobs GOOD-BYE. Of course in the end one can't really blame those yahoos in Nashville because if the voters didn't put them in they couldn't do the damage they have done.

And when, not if, because it's a disaster and tragedy in the making, a shooting takes place on any business properties by some employee bringing a weapon to work, those lawmakers who signed that Bill should be personally opened to massive lawsuits, by both the companies, victims if they survive, and their families. Those lawmakers should have no immunity! NONE!!!

February 12, 2013 at 9:04 a.m.
alprova said...

JonRoss wrote: "Encouraging someone to commit suicide should be career ender for Bennett."

Is that what you get from the cartoon?

Some of you are suffering from myopia...

February 12, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss is officially the most ignorant person here.

After demonizing Clay Bennett for drawing a cartoon that he wrongly perceives is about encouraging suicide, JonRoss goes on to say "suicide is not funny". Yet, in his feigned outrage, the hypocritical ironist then encourages Bennett himself to commit suicide; the action he just labeled "not funny". Should it be a "career ender" for you too, JuanRoss?

Congratulations, you most idiotic of idiots! You discredit yourself everyday and, of course, today is no different.

February 12, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
TinaFrench said...

JonRoss, Bennett is not encouraging him to commit suicide. If you knew a little about representative Scott "Uncle Fester" Desjarlais, you would know that he, by his own admission, shoved that gun in his own mouth a couple of times in the past in order to get his way with his estranged wife. That's what the cartoon is about.

February 12, 2013 at 9:24 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

my quote:

"JESUS CAN NOT AND WILL NOT DECEIVE OR LIE!"

your blasphemy :

"Was Jesus a perfect man while on Earth? Although few and far between, there is scripture that suggests that Jesus was not perfect. Is he perfect now? The Bible does not make that clear. Would it be a sin for him to come to Earth as we have suggested? Why would you think that?"

=========================================

What a blasphemous liar you are!

You don't know God from a hole in the ground.

I have known it all along.

Now, will you definitely state whether you profess to be a Christian or not?

Just state "I am a Christian" or "I am not a Christian"

February 12, 2013 at 9:31 a.m.
GatorFan said...

Another lame cartoon. Why do Clay's cars always float above ground? He must live in some fantasy world...

February 12, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
Easy123 said...

"No, the cartoon is suggesting that Desjarlais should kill himself."

That is what they call "doubling down on dumbass".

February 12, 2013 at 9:34 a.m.
jesse said...

That's pretty darn funny ,Easy!

February 12, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
ibshame said...

"jjmez said... And when, not if, because it's a disaster and tragedy in the making, a shooting takes place on any business properties by some employee bringing a weapon to work, those lawmakers who signed that Bill should be personally opened to massive lawsuits, by both the companies, victims if they survive, and their families. Those lawmakers should have no immunity! NONE!!!"

They won't accept responsibility and most certainly they won't see they have done anything wrong. After all (to paraphrase) as one of them so lamely put it "the only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun."
Their main job should have been to seek out more ways to attract manufacturers and businesses to Tennessee to boost our economy but instead they have used this gun issue to shoot themselves in the foot. The only reason Tennessee will be above Alabama and Mississippi now is because of the geographical location on the map and certainly not because of the potential for economic growth

February 12, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
Easy123 said...

LMFAO! Bask in your ignorance, JonRoss!

February 12, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
nowfedup said...

Finally, a truly representative design for TN license plates. Not sure but did the NRA Bill at Nashville prohibit home owners-farms etc from prohibiting guns on their property. If it does, well it seems the 2nd amd NRA is buying Bill to deprive citizens of property rights. I want NO gunnies on my land, even those "Experts" that took a one day course, a joke at best.

February 12, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Daddy wouldn't let Tooney play with guns on the Army base, now he'sd scared

February 12, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.
tderng said...

If the Tennessee legislature had not passed this bill,how would it have been enforced? Would the companies have been given the right to search an employees car? If someone were carjacked on the way to worked and killed because they couldn't carry their legal gun and leave it in their car,who would be responsible for that death?Many places of business in Chattanooga are in very dangerous neighborhoods. The three biggest hospitals are in very dangerous areas. If a business wants to fire someone for bringing a gun onto their property they have the right to do so. It can be placed in the employee handbook that it is an offense that can result in termination of the employee,just like fighting or theft.

February 12, 2013 at 10:51 a.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"If someone were carjacked on the way to worked and killed because they couldn't carry their legal gun and leave it in their car,who would be responsible for that death?"

These "what if" arguments are fallacious. But, to answer your question, the criminal would be responsible if the individual had a gun or not.

"Many places of business in Chattanooga are in very dangerous neighborhoods."

There are very few Chattanooga businesses in "very dangerous neighborhoods".

"The three biggest hospitals are in very dangerous areas."

Not really. Maybe at night but those places are bustling during the day.

February 12, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
TinaFrench said...

See JonRoss, Uncle Fester is the representative from my district, and I have familiarized myself with his hijinks. You have not. During a messy break-up with his ex-wife, DesJarlais allegedly held a gun in his mouth for three hours, "dry fired" a gun outside his wife's locked bedroom door, and was accused of other forms of spousal abuse. But hey, why argue with the facts?

February 12, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss has now quadrupled down on dumbass.

February 12, 2013 at 11:07 a.m.
Oldhickory said...

I also feel that the cartoon is an inappropriate jab alluding to suicide. Although he is unfit to serve in Congress from my perspective, I don't see any connection with Congressman DesJarlais and the Guns in Trunks Bill that was passed by the Tennessee Senate. http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/20...

And while I'm here and wondering. Why does the Times Free Press continue to allow folks like Conservative to continue to post personal attacks and off topic proselytizing comments? These comments add nothing to the discussion about the editorial cartoon and should be removed as they are flagged.

February 12, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

The only time I'm afraid of a gun is when I see one on a police officer's belt.

Police get away with far more unjust shootings than honest citizens who possess guns for self protection.

We "respect" the police because they have the ability to use deadly force. Their symbol of authority is on their belt.

There bad guys in this world who victimize others. The police are here to deal with them. Unfortunately, there are so many bad guys that the police look at everyone with suspicion, and they sometimes learn to use their power for personal gain -- or even enjoyment.

Why should I, a person with a college education, an advanced degree, a former military officer trained in the combat arms, and a lifelong reputation of obeying the law, trust my life and safety to people who, in general, became police officers because it was the best blue collar job they could get? It's the only job I know where a rookie gets to be the boss -- meaning that a young and inexperienced officer immediately has power over every citizen he happens to meet out in public.

The people I know who generally trust and respect police officers have not had the experience of going to them for help, and being told about all the things that the police cannot do, or will not do. They're happy to come running out to the scene of a traffic accident, and not do a thing to direct traffic and get the rest of the public moving on to their destinations. If there's a shooting, or some kind of violent crime, the cops are all over it. Otherwise, you're pretty much on your own.

In almost every case of violent crime, if the victim had been armed and able to dispatch the criminal with a weapon close at hand, the victims would turn into survivors and the criminals would turn into dust.

Avoiding contact with the police is the very best thing a law-abiding citizen can do.

I don't have a radar/laser detector in my car so that I can speed. I have it there so that I will know when the police are around.

I will never trust them. The best I can expect from a police officer is for him to be busy somewhere else, dealing with a real law-breaker.

Do a Google search on the phrase "a police officer was arrested" and see what you get. I just did it, and got 578,000 hits.

Hamilton County Sheriff Billy Long was arrested in 2008 for a long list of crimes.

http://chattanoogan.com/2008/2/2/121228/Sheriff-Billy-Long-Arrested-By-Federal.aspx

Someone DARE to tell me that none of his officers knew what was going on. They had to. The Sheriff was protecting illegal gambling operations in Hamilton County. How did he do that? By telling his officers to stay away from those places, and to ignore what they saw.

So, Clay, give up your right to protect yourself if that's what you want to do. The first time you call for help from the police and you get the big surprise of finding out that you're on your own, then you'll understand why people own guns for protection.

February 12, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
tderng said...

easy125... I know for a damn fact that employees and guests to Parkridge have been assaulted,robbed,dead bodies found in the trunk of a car in the parking lot of this hospital. So many car's stolen that they don't even come as a surprise to the staff anymore. A female friend of mine was able to defend herself,when she was called into work in the early morning hours,only because she produced a legally carried gun and ran off the would be attacker. The hospital now has armed security guards which they hadn't had for over 25 years.

February 12, 2013 at 11:20 a.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

"So oldhick you have no problem with easy123's personal attacks and lies ?"

My personal attacks are factually accurate and I haven't lied.

February 12, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"I know for a damn fact that employees and guests to Parkridge have been assaulted,robbed,"

That happens everywhere and it's not as prevalent as you're acting like.

"dead bodies found in the trunk of a car in the parking lot of this hospital."

That happened in 1979. LMFAO!

"So many car's stolen that they don't even come as a surprise to the staff anymore."

Stop embellishing.

"A female friend of mine was able to defend herself,when she was called into work in the early morning hours,only because she produced a legally carried gun and ran off the would be attacker."

I call bullsh!t on that story.

"The hospital now has armed security guards which they hadn't had for over 25 years."

Every hospital in Chattanooga has security and they've had that security for a while. Armed security guards are nothing new. Erlanger has armed security as well. Memorial uses unarmed security guards.

February 12, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
ibshame said...

"tderng said... The hospital now has armed security guards which they hadn't had for over 25 years."

So when the hospital realized there was a problem for their employees they hired SECURITY GUARDS they did not tell their employees to start packing their autos with guns. It was the right approach to take

February 12, 2013 at 11:38 a.m.
Reardon said...

Last year I knocked on a door a couple blocks down from Erlanger, in the neighborhood where Ronald McDonald is on the outskirts of.

Rolled past two dudes who looked suspicious of me -- probably because I was the only white person on the street and driving slow.

Naturally, I passed up the house I was looking for and came back to them.

They both were frozen in their tracks staring me down. Must've thought I was police. When I told them I was the insurance man, they relaxed. They were smoking a joint openly in the street, so they were a little concerned.

I walked in to meet the person who sent the card. Dude was in his 70s. Roaches crawling all over the house, on the couch, on my folder.

I pitched him my wares, he decided he'd "think about it," as he didn't know his bank account number to start the bank draft.

Amid me writing up a brochure to leave behind to him, he walked into another room, leaving his wife and 9-year old grandkid behind.

I heard a chopping sound. He came back out holding a paper towel at each end with something heavy weighing down the middle.

Then he gave it to the 9-year old grandkid, whom went outside and disappeared into a car.

While I don't know for sure what the dude was doing -- gut instinct was he was dope-dealing with the kid running it for his parents.

Bottom line. In reference to the neighborhoods surrounding the local hospitals, especially in downtown Chattanooga, there are some seedy areas that I wouldn't want my wife, nor any female or girly man walking around early morning, end-of-the-day, or God forbid, in the nighttime without packing heat.

To suggest otherwise is pure ignorance, self-inflicted or not.

February 12, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
Oldhickory said...

JonRoss said... So oldhick you have no problem with easy123's personal attacks and lies ? How often have you flagged him ?

No. I post here rarely (11 times since November 2012) so I have little opportunity to flag anybody. But I'd say all personal attacks should be removed by the web master for the Times Free Press. I'd also extend removal to posts that contain profanity, because those comments add noting and the Times Free Press should want a better product on its website. Maybe the ability to make comments should be taken down entirely if the paper is unwilling or does not have the time to monitor the content?

February 12, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Erlanger does NOT have armed security. They would have to throw a flashlight. They do not have guns.

February 12, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
ibshame said...

"JonRoss said... Just read that guns sales increased during Barry's first term by 91% over the first four years under George W. Bush. Vast numbers of people do not trust Barry. And it is not just about the Second Amendment. It is about his destruction of our healthcare system, the debasement of our currency, his attacks on Christians, and his attacks on traditional values. We have a grave societal problem, but it has nothing to do with guns. It has everything to do with a POTUS that a major segment of the population sees as a clear threat to their very survival"

Not a major segment at all but a very stupid, ignorant segment who have spent their lives in a bubble and anything or anyone who is not like them is perceived as a threat. The reality is: this segment is more of a threat to society than any other because they REFUSE OUT OF IGNORANCE AND STUPIDITY to accept the world has changed but they haven't and because they haven't they continue to want to return to a past that no longer exists

February 12, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
ibshame said...

"JonRoss said... But old hick Bennett makes his living with personal attacks, unrelated to any reasonable view of most issues. Should not Bennett be banned ?"

Mr. Bennett provides a valuable, insightful, service to the TFP. Those who don't like what he draws or what his drawings represent are free at any time to ignore them

February 12, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
Easy123 said...

nurseforjustice,

"Erlanger does NOT have armed security. They would have to throw a flashlight. They do not have guns."

You're wrong. Erlanger has armed officers/security.

February 12, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

JonRoss,

You really need to expose yourself to information outlets other than just Fox News, infowars.com, and Alex Jones. Your incredibly narrow vision of the reality around you makes you sound very foolish.

That was easy.

February 12, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123...the body I was talking about was in 2003,or 2004. Maybe even after that,I can't remember the exact year but it was within the last ten years.

I don't care one whit if you call bull$hit or not. It happened.

I even saw from the 4th floor west nurses station window as a car load of teens rolled up got out and stole a car and left the already stolen car they were in running in the parking lot. We alerted the police and the car was recovered within an hour. How did I know it was being stolen,you ask? Because it was parked right next to mine and I knew the owner.

Do you even live in Chattanooga? Or are you one of those that deny Chattanooga has a gang problem?

February 12, 2013 at 12:22 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"the body I was talking about was in 2003,or 2004. Maybe even after that,I can't remember the exact year but it was within the last ten years."

It was actually in 1979.

"I don't care one whit if you call bull$hit or not. It happened."

LMFAO!

"How did I know it was being stolen,you ask? Because it was parked right next to mine and I knew the owner."

What does this prove?

"Do you even live in Chattanooga? Or are you one of those that deny Chattanooga has a gang problem?"

Lived here my whole life. Chattanooga does have a gang problem but not at Erlanger, Memorial, or Parkridge. They aren't in the safest areas but labeling those areas "very dangerous" is a huge reach. I've been to all three hospitals during the night and day time and I've never felt like I was in any type of danger. It's not my fault you're paranoid.

February 12, 2013 at 12:28 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Easy,

The uniformed Walden Security officers at Erlanger that I see on a regular basis do not carry guns. The head of security does but he is not uniformed. Some floors do have off duty city officers but few and far in between.

February 12, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

nurseforjusitce,

I know, but you didn't seem to about an hour ago.

February 12, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Easy, You can call me stupid if you want but your last statement did not make any sense. Can you please explain? Thanks

February 12, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Shhh Easy shhh,

Do you think we should tell old JonRoss that his church of conservative caricatures (FOX News) is really just rich people paying other rich people to tell middle class people to blame the poor?

It'd be like finding out God's really a black chick! A big FAT black chick {:O

February 12, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.
ibshame said...

So, the person who is one of the main sponsors of the bill doesn't have a state issued permit for his gun

"NASHVILLE — The main House sponsor of a bill seeking to guarantee handgun permit holders the right to store firearms in their vehicles says he misspoke when he suggested that he routinely breaks the law.

Republican Rep. Jeremy Faison, of Cosby, told WPLN-FM that while he's never obtained a state-issued permit, he's "carried a gun all [his] life."

"One day I'll probably get caught if I don't get a permit, and I'll get in trouble," he told the public radio station.

Faison told The Associated Press on Monday that what he meant to say was that he transports a gun inside his car, which does not require a permit as long as ammunition is stored separately from the firearm.

"What I was saying is routinely I have a gun in my car, and that's not illegal in Tennessee," he said in a phone interview. "It just came out wrong. I have a gun in my car -- we weren't talking about me carrying a gun."

Now how many people will follow this new law and get a permit if one of the main sponsors didn't see the need for a permit? This is the kind of stuff you just can't make up

February 12, 2013 at 1:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

nurseforjustice,

"but your last statement did not make any sense. Can you please explain? Thanks"

You claimed that Erlanger didn't have armed security about an hour before you said they actually did.

February 12, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

I see your point that it appears thatI contradicted myself.

Well I guess I was not clear enough in my statment. Our NORMAL security does not carry guns, that is true. It is also true that a couple of off duty city cops are here and they are armed. However, the off duty cops are not the ones patroling the parking areas, as someone else mentioned as the hospitals being in bad areas.

The new law allowing guns to be carried in cars on private parking areas seems like a waste of state congress time. Seems a bit contradicting saying that you can't carry a gun in my business but that same business has no say so as to whether someone can carry in their parking lot.

February 12, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
jesse said...

A gun is of NO use at all in an emergency IF you have to go get it!

If you are walking across the parking lot at Erlanger at night and you get grabbed? That gun in your trunk might as well be on Mars!!

February 12, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
Oldhickory said...

JonRoss said... But old hick Bennett makes his living with personal attacks, unrelated to any reasonable view of most issues. Should not Bennett be banned ?

Generally, I find the far left cartoons by Bennett and the far right views written by Free Press Editor, Drew Johnson, to be on the same level for ignorance and lack of sophistication. However, the Free Press Editor and cartoonist are employees of the Chattanooga Times Free Press and their submissions should be approved by the editorial board before publication. I think the equivalent term you're searching for would be fired. Should Bennett and Johnson be fired? If I owned a newspaper with the historical significance of the Chattanooga Times Free Press, they'd both be seeking other employment.

February 12, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
ibshame said...

"jesse said... A gun is of NO use at all in an emergency IF you have to go get it! If you are walking across the parking lot at Erlanger at night and you get grabbed? That gun in your trunk might as well be on Mars!!"

I agree 100%. On the other hand if some unstable person gets in an argument with a co-worker, employer, another student etc., and things get way, way out of control if he/she has a gun in the back of the trunk, it's only a walk to the parking lot, open the trunk, retrieve the gun, then back into the bldg to finish the argument

February 12, 2013 at 3:32 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123...I have been at Parkridge in the day,at night,at every conceivable time and especially before they put up the current fence and began to close all,but one,entrances at night,the parking lot was a dangerous place. I was going to my car one night and witnessed a gunfight between the police and two guys in a car. The police denied there were any shots fired until a local tv station showed the bullet holes in the houses.Perhaps you didn't feel like you were in danger because of your ignorance of the area.If you didn't work there you never heard about all the crime that occurred in the parking lot and around the hospital. Believe me we heard all about it. It was rarely on the news but the staff knew about it. Please,feel free to wander around the neighborhoods in the early morning hours all you want.

The body I am talking about was not in 1979,I didn't work there in 1979 and it happened not too many years before I retired which was less than a half a dozen years ago. When it happened a couple of the old timers told me about the one in 1979 but I don't recall them stating what year is was,only that it wasn't the first time. Parkridge has had armed security for less than 5 years.

February 12, 2013 at 3:39 p.m.
timbo said...

I sit here and read these bizarre comments from the pinko left and it is mind-boggling.

How could we be more apart. The other day a lawyer friend and I who are both Civil War buffs were talking about the similarities of the 1850's to today's political climate. Now, it is the rural versus the urban instead of the North and the South.

As far as the Civil War goes, the accepted history (like that crappy, inaccurate movie, "Lincoln") hasn't educated the masses on the cultural differences that were the real reason for the Civil War and the Southern States succeeding.

That main reason for the secession was the tyranny of the majority over the minority. Especially the marginalizing of the Bill of Rights by Federalism. Slavery days were numbered because of the rise of ant-slavery sentiment in the southern churches and the technical advances in agriculture. In other words, the tyranny of the majority and government over state rights.

This same atmosphere is occurring today. It gets worse all the time . For example, I have seen liberals many times insult Southerners and "red necks" as being ignorant or stupid. These comments show and absolute disregard for cultural difference on political views. The republican red states take up the congress of the US by 53.4%, 30 governors, 26 of the state legislatures, and about 75 % of the geography. There is no liberal dominance in this country. On the contrary, it is the other way around.

If this persists there will be less and less reason for the conservative parts of the country to want to be associated with the liberal urban centers.

February 12, 2013 at 3:41 p.m.
ibshame said...

Ok let's see if we can play connect the dots here. VW has expressed it does not want this "Guns in the Parking Lots" Bill passed so have other businesses both public and private. VW is one of the largest employers we have in our area right now and they are looking to expand. If they expand it means more decent wages for workers in our area, better jobs, better wages, better economy for our area and our state. Even a brain-dead Zombie should be able to get this one

"Site work approved for possible expansion of Chattanooga VW plant"

excerpt .......... VW is weighing the production of a new sport utility vehicle introduced at the Detroit auto show last month.

Chattanooga has been identified as a potential production location if the company decides to move ahead with the SUV."

February 12, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

The parking lot rule is important for CC permit holders.

When we go to a place that does not allow carry, we can leave the weapon safely locked in the car. That way we still have the protection to and from the restricted location and any other unrestricted locations we may visit during the trip.

If we cannot leave our weapon in the car, say at an employer, we will be unprotected for the entire trip if we honour that restriction. It may mean going for an entire day or even days without protection because you could not use your car for a secure storage location.

If you are carrying and come to a destination that you did not know prohibited keeping a weapon in the car you would be forced to disobey that rule or pass on the visit.

Really, the law just legalises what is already common practice today.

February 12, 2013 at 3:53 p.m.
jesse said...

Here ya go tderng:

The murder took place in 1979 and the arrest was made in 1995! Only incident on record that i could find! http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19950519&id=jP1MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=bzMDAAAAIBAJ&pg=3587,3752363

February 12, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
Leaf said...

DesJarlais is a mental case. I assume the good voters of his district will vote him out next time and replace him with an equally nutty tea party Republican.

I agree with prarie dog that some cops are dangerous. But that doesn't mean they aren't necessary. I would like to see them carry only tasers until they've been on the force for a few years and properly vetted and passed multiple psychological evaluations. Then their level of armament should be dependant upon the task or area they are assigned to.

As for John Ross, I am convinced that he's a liberal doing comedic performance art. Nobody could be that clueless and still be able to write mostly coherent sentences.

February 12, 2013 at 3:56 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

ibshame said... "Now how many people will follow this new law and get a permit if one of the main sponsors didn't see the need for a permit? This is the kind of stuff you just can't make up"

The 2nd Amendment is all anyone should need. Most of these laws just clarify the right.

...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

It is too bad weak kneed libs make us continuously fight to preserve and clarify that right.

February 12, 2013 at 4:05 p.m.
TirnaNOG said...

prairie_dog said: "Why should I, a person with a college education, an advanced degree, a former military officer trained in the combat arms, and a lifelong reputation of obeying the law, trust my life and safety to people who, in general, became police officers because it was the best blue collar job they could get? It's the only job I know where a rookie gets to be the boss -- meaning that a young and inexperienced officer immediately has power over every citizen he happens to meet out in public.

Then you have the pervs with low self esteem and little weenies, lacking in self control and ego issues who get their jollies off arresting civilians and ordering strip searches for a simple traffic stop and minor traffic violation. It's about the control, humiliation, degrading another human being, and trying to prove who's got the bigger BALLS and has nothing to do with public safety. *no serious!!

*We are not free here!! In America, that is.

February 12, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
ibshame said...

"BigRidgePatriot said... The 2nd Amendment is all anyone should need. Most of these laws just clarify the right. ...the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. It is too bad weak kneed libs make us continuously fight to preserve and clarify that right"

Too bad Antonin Scalia doesn't agree with your intepretation of what limitations can be placed on the Second Amendment

*WASHINGTON — Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says the Constitution’s right to bear arms isn’t absolute and could be changed in the future.

Scalia, a card-carrying conservative and stalwart of the Court’s right-leaning majority, told “Fox News Sunday” that the Second Amendment’s language allowing citizens the right to own weapons doesn’t mean they can own any weapon they want.

“There are some limitations that can be imposed,” Scalia said. “What they are will depend on what the society understood were reasonable limitations at the (future) time.”

In a controversial 2008 decision, the Supreme Court declared a handgun ban enacted by the District of Columbia unconstitutional, but the majority noted that, nonetheless, gun ownership was not an unlimited right, said Scalia, who wrote the opinion in that case.

“It will have to be decided in future cases what limitations upon the right to bear arms are permissible,” he added. “Some undoubtedly are.”* http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/supreme-court-justice-antonin-scalia-bear-arms-unlimited-noted-future-limitations-decided-future-cases

February 12, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
tderng said...

jesse...perhaps that was it and the current(at the time) employees were misinformed. Sure didn't seem like it was that long ago. If I was in error I offer my apologies to easy123 on that particular point.

February 12, 2013 at 5:07 p.m.
ibshame said...

"tu_quoque said... IBeAshamed Sez: Too bad Antonin Scalia doesn't agree with your intepretation of what limitations can be placed on the Second Amendment Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia says the Constitution’s right to bear arms isn’t absolute and could be changed in the future.”

*If you want to quote what I've written then do so CORRECTLY AND NOT ACCORDING TO YOUR WHIMS. I MADE A STATEMENT, THEN I POSTED AN ARTICLE WITH THE FOLLOWING HEADER: WASHINGTON - SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ANTONIN SCALIA SAYS THE CONSTITUTION'S RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS ISN'T ABSOLUTE AND COULD BE CHANGED IN THE FUTURE. The fact you left off the actual way I posted the article was illustrates you have no concept of primary or secondary sources of information. Something I have suspected for quite some time.

February 12, 2013 at 5:54 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

ibshame said... "Too bad Antonin Scalia doesn't agree with your intepretation of what limitations can be placed on the Second Amendment"

Nobody can be right all of the time. Even Antonin has a bad day every once in a while!

February 12, 2013 at 5:55 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Take a peak at this... Global gun ownership verses global homicide rate.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/222780_509587829084907_608805342_n.png

It tells a pretty compelling story.

February 12, 2013 at 5:56 p.m.
dude_abides said...

timbo said... "As far as the Civil War goes, the accepted history (like that crappy, inaccurate movie, "Lincoln") hasn't educated the masses on the cultural differences that were the real reason for the Civil War and the Southern States succeeding."

So the south won? That is remarkable! Thanks for the elucidation. How about the Third Reich? Did they end up "uber alles?"

February 12, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.
carlB said...

There are situations/conditions/events occurring, being caused by the anti government people, with 2nd Amendment people wanting the government to not pass any more "gun" restrictions. which could possibly prevent them from having weapons for protecting themselves if the government over stepped their authority or if there was another great depression. Another great depression could create the circumstances of having "Anarchy" to occur in the USA and even to occur world wide. From all of the indications, there are many people who would prefer to live in an "Anarchy Rule" than to live in a balanced "Republic" with laws and a government strong enough to keep the needed balanced conditions.

February 12, 2013 at 7:57 p.m.
tderng said...

nooga...would she go wandering around the surrounding neighborhoods at night? or say after midnight?

February 12, 2013 at 8:04 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"would she go wandering around the surrounding neighborhoods at night? or say after midnight?"

Who does that anyway? I wouldn't feel comfortable wandering around in the majority of neighborhoods in Chattanooga after midnight.

Your safety wandering around random neighborhoods at night does not make your point at all.

February 12, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
tderng said...

easy123... I wouldn't feel comfortable wandering around in the majority of neighborhoods in Chattanooga after midnight.

I would in most places not downtown. Now who's paranoid?

February 12, 2013 at 9:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

tderng,

"I would in most places not downtown. Now who's paranoid?"

You are. I didn't say I was afraid to do so. I said I wouldn't feel comfortable. And I wouldn't feel comfortable because it's strange behavior. I have no desire to do such a thing whether the neighborhood was safe or not. What grown human being wanders around neighborhoods they don't live in AFTER midnight? That very action got Trayvon Martin shot and in a gated community no less. It's just not normal behavior and, like I said before, it is irrelevant to your point.

February 12, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
tderng said...

Easy123 said...Your safety wandering around random neighborhoods at night does not make your point at all.

Of course it does. My point was that the areas around these hospitals are rather dangerous places. Unfortunately a lot of these neighborhoods are filled with poor and lower income families. That tends to draw criminals to these areas because it is what they can afford too. There are of course many,many good fine people who live there also and they,I'm sure, far outnumber the bad guys. I worked with many of them and they are wonderful folks,but it only takes a handful of thugs and gangbangers to ruin a whole neighborhood.

February 12, 2013 at 9:55 p.m.
tderng said...

From what I gather Trayvon was in an ally behind the houses not strolling down the street. I could be wrong about that though.When I was younger I loved to take a late night stroll,still would if I could. There is nothing like taking a late night stroll with someone you love. If you haven't tried it you should on a warm summer night. ahh never mind,you'll probably never get it.

February 12, 2013 at 10:22 p.m.
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