published Monday, February 18th, 2013

Folkner's priorities are with District 1 and other letters to the editors

Folkner's priorities are with District 1

Jim Folkner is my candidate in the upcoming city election representing District 1. Jim knows the problems we face in our city and has attended City Council meetings the last three years. No other candidate in District 1 has attended these meetings, so how could they possibly know what the problems are and how taxpayers moneys are wasted? Jim will get the priorities of taxpayer money back into our neighborhoods. Jim headed up the recall effort to oust Mayor Littlefield. He is a successful businessman who understands budgets and knows how to save money.

He has attended the citizen police academy, done ride-a-longs with police officers and will work with the police and public organizations to fight against one of our biggest problems -- street gangs.

The way brush is picked up in residential neighborhoods should be revised with an eye toward efficiency. Property taxes and storm water fees are too high and there is a lot of waste the way our money is being spent.

Jim Folkner is the only candidate in District 1 who has knowledge of the operation of the City Council, and I urge you to strongly consider voting for him. I surely will.

JIM SIMS


Rational thought not found in Obamaland

Here's an idea to help establish Obamaland. Why not suddenly ban nearly all semi-automatic rifles and many firearms and magazines suitable for self-defense?

Likely manufacturers, suppliers, shippers, wholesalers, retailers and investors would lose money. Employees would lose jobs. Federal, state and local governments would lose tax revenue. Some companies would be forced out of business -- especially small local gun stores. The gross national product would decrease. The Obamaland government guidelines of limiting the freedom of and imposing government controls on law-abiding citizens wherever possible would be followed.

The emotional and political excuse for taking this action could be that it would reduce violent crime. Unfortunately rational evaluation does not support this excuse. Criminals and crazies who ignore laws that prohibit breaking and entering, assault, battery and murder would hardly notice the ban. Unless violent people are removed from society, violence will continue with or without any guns. Visualize a crazy man with a razor sharp machete in a classroom of defenseless children. Some survive but never fully recover from their injuries or experience.

But don't adequately punish or control violent people; unconstitutionally control their weapon of choice instead. Lawbreakers are to be condescendingly treated in Obamaland

AL C. GRIST JR., Signal Mountain


Boy Scouts need to keep timeless values

For 100 years, Scouting has provided boys a superior leadership program. Scouting has enforced timeless traditions through the 12 points of the scout law, based in the 10 Commandments. The oath has helped rescue youths from paths that lead to destruction. From the Oath: "morally straight" has been an unquestioned reference since scouting's founding.

Now, some Americans desire to change what morally straight means because of shifting standards. Boy Scouts always have taught tolerance of opposing points of view, but not necessarily accepting others' values to have friendships. The scout handbook reflects this difference in tolerance and acceptance.

If scouting leadership decides to accept homosexuality as a normal way of living, are the Scouts abandoning timeless values? Is morally straight redefined?

Are the Scouts willing to make public what evidence is used in making this switch?

I am sure that it will be more remunerative for the Scouts' organization to acknowledge current cultural trends and accept homosexuality as a normal way of living. The timeless values that have been used for 100 years will be replaced with the expedience of shifting timely values with no root. Without root Scouting will die out.

DAVID BOSSHARDT, M.D.


Couples should focus more on the marriage

An article in the Times Free Press Feb. 10, describes the elaborate planning for weddings by couples in today's society.

With the highest divorce statistics every, one wonders that if as much planning went into the marriage as goes into the wedding would those statistics be different?

JILL WALSH

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anniebelle said...

Al C, according to your logic we should just do away with all our laws -- people are going to speed, drive drunk, rob, murder, molest our children. even with laws against such actions in place this very day. There are some deterrents available to stop this mobilized gun-crazed society we have developed in this idiot country and I think we should start putting on our thinking caps, collectively, to figure a way to make this country what it could be and should be. But, with the NRA, TEA Party, GOP and stupids in general, we'll just go on about our business and hope it's not us that is standing in line at the theatre when somebody with an assault rifle loaded to the hilt drives by, you know, just for kicks.

February 18, 2013 at 5:31 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Yes, David Bosshardt, I've read a lot lately about the "Scouts Timeless Values", sounds much like the values of the catholic priests.
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-boy-scouts-files-20120916,0,6937684.story Over two decades, the Boy Scouts of America failed to report hundreds of alleged child molesters to police and often hid the allegations from parents and the public. A Los Angeles Times review of 1,600 confidential files dating from 1970 to 1991 has found that Scouting officials frequently urged admitted offenders to quietly resign β€” and helped many cover their tracks. In the majority of cases, the Scouts learned of alleged abuse after it had been reported to authorities. But in more than 500 instances, the Scouts learned about it from boys, parents, staff members or anonymous tips. In a 1987 case in Washington state, a district executive wrote to the national office complaining that his boss had refused to put a former scoutmaster on the blacklist, despite a molestation conviction, "because he has done so much for camp and is a nice guy." Traditional Values indeed!

February 18, 2013 at 6:54 a.m.
Livn4life said...

Alright everyone, let's go with no values or everyone just find your own values and see where that gets us. No society which has completely embraced homosexuality has survived. Yet we think we can because...... I guess that is the same rationale as thinking our government can when so many other governments have not because... The slide into the immoral abyss has been slow in coming. Now we wait for the next great revelation of what we are to accept and not question from the annals of political correctness. Contrary to all who ignore what has been the fabric of our society present, the slide into the abyss morally preceeds that economic thing we are now pretending we have avoided. By the way to even suggest the Boy Scouts are in the same conversation with what Roman Catholic Priests have done, shows that someone who suggests it is uniformed.

February 18, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

"Boy Scouts need to keep timeless values...Excellent Article! by: DAVID BOSSHARDT, M.D.

My Response:

There are no well-wishing parents who desire that their Boy Scout Toddlers have greater exposure and therefore chance to be infected by HIV/AIDS. There are no well-wishing, loving parents who want their Toddler Scouts be persued by homosexual preditors who may assure their Boy Scout Toddler victims also become patients at local HOSPICE CENTERS. President Obama probably does not want this either, but, he just has not thought through his support of homosexual individuals being with our sons and daughters.

Multiple GUT PARASITES, which carry their own varied host of spore-type opportunistic infections are becoming rampant among the homosexual community (this may be obvious due to their choice of sexual expression). Please consider supporting an initative for the homosexual community to establish their own unique organization of Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts.We must keep our Toddler Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts safely distant from these scourge type diseases.

kwo

February 18, 2013 at 11:13 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

L4L, we know far more about human sexuality now than we did in the past. Same sex relationships between consenting adults harms no one, causes no problems to society, and has no secular arguments against it. There is no slide into the moral abyss. The problems our society has (substance abuse, child neglect, sexual assault, crime, adultery) we have always had. In some cases the frequency of incidents is actually falling. It seems things are worse because we know more; more information, faster access to it. We are inundated with stories from all over the country, where before you only knew about what was happening locally. This does NOT mean that it is increasing.

Guess what: there are predators in the Boy Scouts. Allowing gays will not cause this-it is already there, and like the church the BSA tries to cover it up. Gays are not sexual predators. There are plenty of scouts who are gay and they don't reveal it. The only change will be that people are honest and open about it. That is a plus, not a minus.

The boy scouts must be like any organization that works with minors: they need to train their adults where the line between appropriate and inappropriate behavior is, and they need to educate kids where that line is and how to protect themselves. When you hide, lie and stay silent on these matters, abuse can happen.

Gay people are part of society. They are no more or less prone to acting inappropriately. They are no more or less likely to abuse a child. They are no more or less likely to break the law. But they should not be treated as less than human just because of their sexual orientation.

February 18, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

It is absolutely true that parents of Toddler Boy Scouts do not want their children being infected with GUT PARASITES. These infections often occur with the kind of 'sex' that homosexuals would likely bring to The Boy Scouts of America.

What some Physicians label as 'The Gay Bowel Syndrome' is a combination of intestinal or anorectal infection/trauma caused by homosexual sex. These Colon Diseases had a huge number of incidence in a study of 260 homosexual men in New York City.

Well-wishing parents of their Toddler Boy Scouts would not want their Children experiencing the tragedy of what so many of these homosexual men experienced. Among the infections they contracted were: Condyloma acuminata, hemorrhoids, nonspecific proctitis, anal fistula, perirectal abscess, anal fissure, amebiasis, benign polyps, viral hepatitis, gonorrhea, syphilis, anorectal trauma and foreign bodies, shigellosis, rectal ulcers, and lymphogranuloma venereum.

PARENTS OF BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA...BEWARE PLEASE!, REGARDLESS OF WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA DESIRES FOR OUR TODDLERS TO BE INTRODUCED TO!

['The journal Annals of Clinical and Laboratory Science' and in 2004 'Medscape' stated that gay bowel syndrome is a significant issue as regards HIV infection (The Johns Hopkins HIV Guide website also presently features a literature review article which is essentially a duplicate of the aforementioned article at Medscape).[1][2][3][4] Gay bowel syndrome is a clinical pattern of anorectal and colon diseases which occur with unusual frequency in homosexual patients].

Ken ORR

February 18, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken Orr, I will flag that comment every time you post it. It is false and it is a moral outrage for you to keep posting it here.

February 18, 2013 at 11:27 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Wrong lkeithlu. I have available a preponderance of cites/references from the medical/scientific community. I have evidence which will be admissible and overwhelming confirmation of my facts presented. I have the names of expert witnesses to such a presentation of these facts who would be eager to protect our youth in a court of law. Bring it on!

ALSO I REMEMBER THAT IT IS YOU WHO SUGGESTED THAT MY COMMENTS BE CENSORED/BANNED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH YOUR BELIEFS. MANY PEOPLE CASTIGATED YOU DUE TO YOUR BENT TOWARD CENSORSHIP AND DESIRE TO SQUELCH FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF FREE SPEECH.

Ken ORR

February 18, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Wrong, Ken Orr. Because, as usual, you equate being gay with being a child abuser. I will flag it every time. You are a liar and a disgrace.

Sex with a child is wrong. Regardless of who the adult is. The vast majority of child abusers are STRAIGHT, and they do damage, both physically and emotionally to the children they abuse. You are a shining example of that. But being gay does NOT make you a child abuser. Discriminating against gays because you falsely project your own single incident to the entire gay population is wrong. Wrong. Dishonest. and hardly Christian.

February 18, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

***ALSO I REMEMBER THAT IT IS YOU WHO SUGGESTED THAT MY COMMENTS BE CENSORED/BANNED BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T AGREE WITH YOUR BELIEFS. MANY PEOPLE CASTIGATED YOU DUE TO YOUR BENT TOWARD CENSORSHIP AND DESIRE TO SQUELCH FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS OF FREE SPEECH.

please read the commenter rules on the website, Ken Orr. It is not censorship to flag your inapropriate comments.

February 18, 2013 at 11:43 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

*O.K. lkeithlu, O.K.! You are correct on that one But, couldn't You, at least, say, "It is not censorship to flag {What You, lkeithlu, 'BELIEVE' to be 'my' inappropriate comments?" i am only trying to display the medical/scientific community information which I have at my disposal. What is wrong with the homosexual community/population forming their own organizations? Then whoever wants to be a part of those organizations would be totally free to join them. What about 'Chinatown' in New York City? They have the heaviest concentration of Chinese individuals outside of Asia itself! Hispanic Districts, Korean Churches, Greek and Indian Restaurants, Caucasian Golf Clubs. What would be wrong with establishing The Homosexual Cub Scouts,Boy Scouts, Brownies, Girl Scouts of America? If there is anyone who hates homosexual individuals, then, i believe that if they do not repent they will burn in hell! It's just that current Medical/Scientific facts warn to keep away from that kind of homosexual sex! Capiche? I am not being mean-spirited!

Now, Parents be forewarned about your female children Princesses. Your Brownie Scout, or, Girl Scout should know for a surety these facts:

PARENTS CONSIDER YOURSELVES FOREWARNED;NO EXCUSES

And Women! Listen Up! Lesbians-Be advised that in the State of Tennessee Women make up approximately 24% of AIDS Diagnosis. (23.7 actual percentage). Birth Control pills, Morning After pills, Slaughter House Abortions so You can party at Da' Club ain't no powerful liberal statement you're making. It's no great surprise or wonder. There are an estimated (low) 60,000 Women [U.S.A.] who act? in hard-core pornography videos. These numbers sky rocket when we only talk about lewd still photographs. Now, prostitution, tricky escort services, etc. Don't even try to estimate this astronomical number of Women who agree to be objects. HIV/AIDS is skyrocketing among females. Along with this is associated most every GUT PARASITE and viral, bacterial, EVEN SPORE-FORMING BACTERIA LIKE C.difficile which can be found in the intestines and is easily acquired by those who don't have it when in near contact with those that do(Scout Camps). If someone with this bacteria is treated with a broad spectrum antibiotic many of the more common GUT BACTERIA are killed allowing the C.difficile(which is resistant) to overgrow and become the dominant organism. This in turn disrupts the normal function on the intestine giving rise to diarrhea and inflammation (may cause death). So, just take a read on some 'ancient modern day' application wisdom, and, absolute TRUTH:

"Be not deceived; GOD IS NOT MOCKED: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.<<<

Galatians 6:7-8 The Holy Word of Jesus Christ

February 18, 2013 at 1:06 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Ken Orr, you are a sick individual, who is posting lies to justify discriminating against an entire group of innocent Americans. I will flag each and every lie filled post.

February 18, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

You're a moron. You're a homophobe. You're a liar. You're ignorant. You're a bigot. You're lower that ant sh!t. There are so many more pertinent descriptions but those will suffice.

Nothing you say deserves a thoughtful rebuttal. Not only that, but you get your information from Conservapedia. You take stupid to another level, Orr.

February 18, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Lyin4Life&Orr need to get their heads out of their rearends and start catching up on what's going on under their vey noses. You seriously don't get the connection between pedophile priests and scout master pedophiles? You're insane. They both go where the boys are. (Reuters) - Four Oregon men sued the Boy Scouts of America on Tuesday for $20 million over childhood sexual abuse they say they suffered at the hands of a pedophile knowingly appointed as their scoutmaster in the 1970s. Scouts, their parents, volunteers and professional staff are all taught to recognize, resist and report abuse," Smith said, adding that BSA policies forbid adult volunteers from ever being alone with a scout. He declined to address the latest specific allegations. The lawsuits claim the Boy Scouts of America was aware since the 1960s that "scouting posed a danger to adolescent boys because historically noticeable numbers of adult volunteers ... were discovered to be child molesters." As in the abuse scandal that has rocked the Roman Catholic Church, whose hierarchy is accused of covering up misconduct by wayward priests, Tuesday's suits claim the Boy Scouts "concealed the problem of child molestation by Scout leaders." PRIESTS VS. SCOUTMASTERS The mounting litigation has tarnished the wholesome image of a 100-year-old largely volunteer scouting organization that prides itself on building good character, citizenship and personal fitness among the 2.7 million youth -- mostly boys aged 8 to 17 -- who are its members. "Like the Catholic Church, the Boy Scouts have been exposing children to sexual predators for decades," said Grier Weeks, head of the child abuse prevention lobby PROTECT. "In the process, they've also exposed themselves to enormous financial liability," he told Reuters. "The question is, which did they care more about? If it was boys, there will be a long, clear trail of aggressive attempts to protect. If it was themselves, there will be a trail of silence."

February 18, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"I have available a preponderance of cites/references from the medical/scientific community. I have evidence which will be admissible and overwhelming confirmation of my facts presented. I have the names of expert witnesses to such a presentation of these facts who would be eager to protect our youth in a court of law."

You have misleading and erroneous references from outdated medical/science sources that you found on Conservapedia! You have no evidence that is admissible or any confirmation of facts, much less "overwhelming" confirmation. You have zero expert witnesses with zero facts and would not aid you in any way in a court of law.

You are a liar. You are a deceiver. You are an immoral piece of excrement.

February 18, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Indeed. Your "facts" about women had zero to do with homosexual women, but with women in the sex trade, which is overwhelmingly patronized by men. Straight men.

February 18, 2013 at 3:14 p.m.
Easy123 said...

The idiot Ken Orr,

"i am only trying to display the medical/scientific community information which I have at my disposal."

That is a complete and utter lie. You are displaying outdated, erroneous information. I have proven that to be true. You have acknowledged the link I provided that proves it, yet you are still being completely dishonest, fallacious, and deceitful.

"What is wrong with the homosexual community/population forming their own organizations?"

You cannot discriminate based on sexual orientation. You're bigotry is painfully apparent. You are advocating blatant discrimination.

"It's just that current Medical/Scientific facts warn to keep away from that kind of homosexual sex!"

That is another complete and utter lie. You are still being completely dishonest, fallacious, and deceitful. Your lies are here for everyone to see. You are a liar, Ken Orr.

February 18, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu and Easy, I do not mean any harm to anyone at all. But, the CDC (Center for Disease Control) for this United States of America has published/proclaimed a Dire Warning to all Citizens of This Great Republic of The U.S.A.

Following is the Warning to us All, especially Parents of Boy Scout and Girl Scout Toddlers, as well as Adults:

The Cases of HIV diagnoses among Men Having Sex With Men is more than 44 times that of Heterosexual men.

The federal budget request for fiscal year (FY) 2011 includes a total of $20.4 BILLION DOLLARS for domestic HIV and AIDS, a 4% increase from the FY 2010 funding, which totaled $19.6 BILLION DOLLARS.34 Federal funding for AIDS programs falls into five basic categories: care and treatment, financial and housing assistance, prevention, research, and global spending (most of which goes out through the US PEPFAR program). Of these five budgets, care spending is by far the largest - just over half of the FY 2010 budget was for care and treatment programs. THE MAJORITY of AIDS CARE FUNDING goes out through the federal MEDICARE and MEDICAID PROGRAMS for people who do not have adequate private health insurance. (Innocent American Tax Payers Forced to Pay For Those Who Choose This Lifestyle of Homosexual Behavior). I Do Not Blame Innocent Victims Such As Children and Blood Transfusion Patients. credit: Avert.Org International HIV & AIDS charity.

Blacks make up only 14 percent of the national population but account for 44 percent of new cases of AIDS, according to the National Black HIV/AIDS Awareness Day website. Jim Samples, who founded local HIV/AIDS organization Chattanooga CARES in 1986 said he paid for office space and a telephone on Brainerd Road in 1986 to open a Chattanooga CARES office but he shortly was asked to leave. He said the community and others complained that the people he would attract would be bad for surrounding businesses.

As you may already know there are several strains of HIV. In addition, when exposed to medications, HIV changes or mutates over time. If a person is reinfected with a strain of HIV that is different from the strains already present or if a mutated HIV type is introduced into the body through sex, etc., treatment will be much more complex and potentially ineffective. For example, someone is being treated for HIV and his/her medications are working well...the viral load is undetectable. Then he/she has sex with another person living with HIV and gets reinfected with their particular strain...one that is resistant to most medications. Over time, that new strain will flourish in the body, rendering his/her once successful treatment useless. Eventually the viral load skyrockets and the immune system pays the price. YOU CANNOT PLAY CHESS WITH JESUS CHRIST, AND, WIN. Use Wisdom Now, before it is forever TOO LATE!

Ken Orr

February 18, 2013 at 4:38 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Your post, Ken Orr, cannot be used to discriminate against gays, nor can it be used to equate same sex attraction with child abuse. HIV is not a gay disease, it is an STD, one of many. It is more prevalent in the gay (male) community in the US because that is the population in which the virus entered the country. Most HIV infections now are in other countries and among straight men and women.

STD's do not discriminate. STD's are transmitted through all kinds of sex acts, between married men and women, through the sex trade and through casual sex. We already know this. It is not relevant to the discussion about discriminating against gays. It is not really relevant to child sexual abuse; STD's are not the primary problem in child sex abuse-the abuse itself is.

You have an unhealthy interest in the sex lives of adults. You have an unhealthy fixation with anal sex. You use outdated information and use it incorrectly to imply that children are at risk from gay adults. All gay adults. When in fact if a child is molested, it is most often a male adult molesting an underage girl (and not in the girl scouts either-it happens more in churches). You use bad information to defame an entire group of innocent American adults. This all stems from your own history, but that doesn't excuse it.

People can come on this forum and bash liberals all they like, even using false information. I have not heard of a liberal being driven out of their church, family or community because they are liberal. It might make for tense holiday dinners maybe. But people are killed for being gay, by people who hate and fear them and fear unnecessarily for their children. Your words can be used to justify violence against an innocent person simply for their sexual orientation. That is why it is morally wrong for you to post this crap, and that is why I flag it. I have many, many gay friends and NONE of them would EVER hurt a child, and it pisses me off that you would equate who they are with your twisted notion of child molestation.

I hope you now understand why I react the way I do.

February 18, 2013 at 4:51 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I have no problem lkeithlu, with You expressing Your beliefs in writing, or otherwise on any forum. I think i understand why You do so.

President Obama and Sec. of State Hillary Clinton seem to agree with You. PAUL BEDARD of 'Washington Whispers' quoted President Obama as writing, "...the Departments of State, Justice, and Homeland Security shall ensure appropriate training is in place so that relevant Federal Government personnel and key partners can effectively address the protection of LGBT [lesbian gay bi-sexual transvestite] refugees and asylum seekers, including by providing to them adequate assistance and ensuring that the federal government has the ability to identify and expedite resettlement of highly vulnerable persons..."

Then, President Obama is quoted as having stated in an interview with CBS, anchor Scott Pelley asked the president if he believed scouting should be open to gays.

"Yes," Obama said simply.

Asked to elaborate, Obama - who last year gave his backing to the right of same sex couples to marry - said gays and lesbians should be able to participate in "every institution" that others can.

"My attitude is ... that gays and lesbians should have access and opportunity the same way everybody else does, in every institution and walk of life," he said.

Ken ORR

February 18, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

And Consider This:

John Jay Report:

"In the United States the 2004 John Jay Report commissioned and funded by the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) was based on volunteer surveys completed by the Roman Catholic dioceses in the United States. The 2004 John Jay Report was based on a study of 10,667 allegations against 4,392 priests accused of engaging in sexual abuse of a minor between 1950 and 2002 [this number has increased dramatically since 2010].[55]Around 81% of these victims were male."

Fox News Report:

"The Scouts kept so-called perversion files dating back to the 1920s, though the 20,000 pages of documents released on Thursday covered only 1965 to 1985. The files included men both inside and outside the organization who were suspected of abusing boys. The papers included memos from local councils, complaints lodged with the national office, letters between local councils, handwritten letters from family members, police reports and newspaper articles."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/19/experts-say-posting-boy-scouts-perversion-files-online-sends-message-against/#ixzz2LIQPEUSn

This is only in the U.S. Ireland, Austria, etc. 70,000 plus.

Hillary Clinton & President Obama want all of them [homosexuals] who feel harassed to come to the U.S. for food, clothing, shelter, entitlements. They want the Boy Scouts of America to be in camp sites with them at night. PARENTS BEWARE!

Ken ORR

February 18, 2013 at 6:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Hillary Clinton & President Obama want all of them [homosexuals] who feel harassed to come to the U.S. for food, clothing, shelter, entitlements. They want the Boy Scouts of America to be in camp sites with them at night. PARENTS BEWARE!

I declare BS on this one. AGAIN: the abuses that occurred happened while gays are BANNED. In other words, the BSA, while banning openly gay people, were allowing abuse to occur anyway. So, how does banning gay scouts and leaders avoid abuse? It doesn't.

Parents need not be aware of openly gay adults. Their children are more likely to be abused by clergy. The BSA attracted a few closeted gay abusers because it's an organization for boys. AGAIN: being gay does not equate with being a child abuser. MOST ABUSERS are STRAIGHT. Most gays are NOT PREDATORS. Therefore, condemning or discriminating against gays is wrong. How many times must this be explained to you, Orr?

February 18, 2013 at 7:06 p.m.
Easy123 said...

It never ends with Orr, Ikeithlu. He's truly deranged.

February 18, 2013 at 8:31 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Even sparsely populated neighbor Canada now reports, through a source probably more reliable than the Center for Disease Control [CDC]: http://www.avert.org/canada-hiv.htm

"In recent years around a quarter of new adult HIV diagnoses HAVE BEEN AMONG WOMEN. Half of all positive DIAGNOSIS IN FEMALES were in young people aged under 20 years old. Although most exposure to HIV was from heterosexual sex, injecting drug use accounted for over 19% of infections IN WOMEN in 2009." AIDS statistics. Oh yeah! Sure Ikeithlu, sure, ABSOLUTELY NONE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN LESBIANS, OH NO, NEVER! NOPE, NO LESBIANS IN ALL OF CANADA'S FULL 25% OF WOMEN WITH NEW INFECTIONS. ARE YOU SERIOUS???????

Ken Orr

February 19, 2013 at 4:06 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

At the end of 2010 it was estimated that OUT OF THE 34 MILLION ADULTS WORLDWIDE LIVING WITH HIV/AIDS, HALF (1/2) ARE WOMEN.2 The AIDS epidemic has had a unique impact on women, which has been exacerbated by their role within society and their biological vulnerability to HIV infection.***PARENTS BEWARE OF YOUR TODDLER FEMALE CHILDREN WHO ARE BROWNIES, AND, ALSO GIRL SCOUTS, I SAY...BEWARE! YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!

Ken ORR

Oh yeah! Sure Ikeithlu, sure, ABSOLUTELY NONE COULD 'POSSIBLY' HAVE BEEN LESBIANS, OH NO, NEVER! NOPE, NO LESBIANS IN ALL OF A FULL (50%) ONE HALF OF THE AIDS INFECTED POPULATION BEING WOMEN . ARE YOU SERIOUS???????<<<

Ken Orr

Generally women are at a greater risk of heterosexual transmission of HIV. Biologically women are twice more likely to become infected with HIV through unprotected heterosexual intercourse than men.

February 19, 2013 at 4:13 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

By race/ethnicity, African Americans continue to be most severely affected by AIDS. In 2006, rates of AIDS cases were 47.6 per 100,000 for blacks, 15.6 for Hispanics, 6.2 for American Indians/Alaska Natives, and 5.4 for whites. Among adults and adolescents, rates of AIDS cases were highest for black males (82.9 per 100,000), FOLLOWED BY BLACK FEMALES (40.4) and Hispanic males (31.3). The AIDS rate for Hispanic females was 9.5 per 100,000. AIDS rates for white males and females were 11.2 and 1.9 per 100,000, respectively. Estimates show black females rate of HIV/AIDS BEING AS HIGH AS 22 TIMES GREATER THAN WHITE FEMALES.

...So, go on ahead President Obama, Hillary Clinton and other Lib Dems. Strongly encourage our Children and GrandChildren who are members of the Scouts of America to be in direct association with the above groups and their statistics. But first, please visit HOSPICE CENTERS of EVERY U.S. State, and states abroad. Grieve with each Parent as their Child dwindles away in agonizing pain and disgrace, then RECONSIDER YOUR POSITIONS!

p.S....This is not to even mention an enormous host of devistating, deadly host of often homosexual sex-transmitted GUT PARASITES which are a scourage and ragingly infectious to Children!

KEN ORR

February 19, 2013 at 4:52 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

You clearly are not listening, Ken. These have been flagged also, for incorrectly claiming that gays are a risk to children.

I will continue to do so until you correct your dishonest posting or lose your commenting privileges.

In case you didn't read my reason why further up, here it is again: People can come on this forum and bash liberals all they like, even using false information. I have not heard of a liberal being driven out of their church, family or community because they are liberal. It might make for tense holiday dinners maybe. But people are killed for being gay, by people who hate and fear them and fear unnecessarily for their children. Your words can be used to justify violence against an innocent person simply for their sexual orientation. That is why it is morally wrong for you to post this crap, and that is why I flag it.

February 19, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.
dao1980 said...

It's darkly hilarious, offensive, and sad, all at the same time reading Orr's fallacious and over-pronounced protests on a topic that his type is the main perpetrator.

He fits the psych stereotype so perfectly that one would think he'd take more caution when drawing attention to himself.

Abused as a child; fervently embraces the emotionally numbing opiate of blind faith, pursues positions of authority, expresses obsessions surrounding the sex lives of others, can't differentiate acts involving adults from those involving children, etc. etc.

He shares his immoral thoughts and feelings in rambling lies that reflect xenophobia, bigotry, and pedophilia with every one of his posts.

This guy is surely on more than one watch-list.

Can you imagine how his congregation would feel if they read his posts in these forums?

They would have to be a "Westboro" type crowd to not just tackle him and confiscate his computer.

Even the most traditional groups in our area condemn his type of rhetoric for obvious financial reasons.

Attendance continues to dwindle in this modern societal era of reason, and those great in age that hearken from less educated times continue to die off.

The church struggles to maintain relevancy as more consistent morals of basic reasoning appeal to our evolving culture over the inconsistent quadruple-standard morals of ancient tribal books.

The Orrs of the group do nothing but great and irreversible damage to the image of any congregation who would claim him, while making an increasingly difficult task out of just paying the light bill.

"Heaven help them" if they are asked to pay their fair share and write a check to the tax man like everyone else.

True financial straights within the church would surely follow, and the Orrs in every congregation would be ridden out of town on a rail, left with no group to hide and spew their lies and hate from within.

February 19, 2013 at 7:25 a.m.
Easy123 said...

The idiot Ken Orr,

"Oh yeah! Sure Ikeithlu, sure, ABSOLUTELY NONE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE BEEN LESBIANS, OH NO, NEVER! NOPE, NO LESBIANS IN ALL OF CANADA'S FULL 25% OF WOMEN WITH NEW INFECTIONS."

Do you even know how people contract HIV? Lesbians have the lowest risk of contracting any sexually transmitted disease. So much for the "gay" disease moniker. I guess Jesus likes lesbians a lot! But tell us all how lesbians get HIV, Dr. Ken.

"ARE YOU SERIOUS???????"

Ken, you aren't a piece of fecal matter. You are every piece of fecal matter from the beginning of time until the end. You are the sum total of all excrement personified. You are a loathsome, hollow- hearted mound of bile and puss masquerading as a human being. You are an emotionally tone-deaf, abominable travesty whose every post is as rotten as it is disingenuous. If there is one molecule of human decency in your entire body, I feel extreme pity for it.

February 19, 2013 at 7:26 a.m.
Plato said...

Mr. Grist poses two bogus arguments below:

  1. "Criminals and crazies who ignore laws that prohibit breaking and entering, assault, battery and murder would hardly notice the ban."

Yes they would hardly notice the law until the went to buy a gun and were told they purchase was denied becasue they failed a background check. Does that mean they can't acquire one by illegal means? of course not - but it does throw a damper into their intentions and according to studies WILL prohibit some crimes.

  1. "Unless violent people are removed from society, violence will continue with or without any guns. Visualize a crazy man with a razor sharp machete in a classroom of defenseless children. Some survive but never fully recover from their injuries or experience."

Mr. Grist apparently does not understand the definition of the term "fire power" Fire power is the ability to take out high numbers of targets in a short period of time. Automatic weapons can take out more people than simi-automatic weapons and a semi-automatic weapons with a 30 round mag can take out more targets than one with a 10 round mag. If the type of weapon has no baring on the severity of the crime as Mr. Grist suggests, than our soldiers and marines would be carrying razors and pocket knives instead of M-16.

Both of these arguments are foolish and are advanced only by the special interests representing gun manufacturers and those gullible enough to carry their water for them.

February 19, 2013 at 11:40 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

According to CDC, the State of Georgia: AFRICAN AMERICAN CHILDREN make up 78% of all reported PEDIATRIC AIDS CASES in Georgia. African American women comprise 83% of the total reported cumulative AIDS cases among women in Georgia.

kwo

ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ARE YOU SO DEVOID OF UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THESE NORTH GEORGIA COUNTIES ARE IN HAMILTON COUNTY (CHATTANOOGA'S) BACK YARD? THESE CHILDREN ARE NOT EVEN ALL BOY & GIRL SCOUTS. WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN IT IS OPEN SEASON FOR THEM AT SCOUT CAMPS AT NIGHT? PLEASE RECEIVE THIS CLARION WARNING!!!

February 19, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

My Friends, the above information is from the Georgia Dept. of Health Education. The North Georgia Counties covered here are within the Atlanta Metropolitan area which includes Clayton, Cobb, Dekalb, Fulton, and Gwinnett counties. 67% of these cases are in Fulton County.

Carlos Franco, an infectious disease doctor for Phoebe Putney Hospital says what concerns him is their newly infected patients. "Here what you see is mostly women, mostly African-American. I will tell you, I don't know the exact number but in this clinic let's say we have 70 patients with HIV that we follow on a long term basis. I would say at least 60, 65 women and most of them African-American," said Franco.

This now rivals South Africa's worst statistics regarding HIV/AIDS! Shall we join some of the Clinton's and Obama's and encourage masses of homosexual individuals to take up asylm in our Blessed, Dear United States of America?

February 19, 2013 at 1:24 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

"ARE YOU KIDDING ME? ARE YOU SO DEVOID OF UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU DON'T KNOW THESE NORTH GEORGIA COUNTIES ARE IN HAMILTON COUNTY (CHATTANOOGA'S) BACK YARD?"

You have no clue how children contract AIDS. That fact is very obvious. What do AIDS statistics in African-American women have to do with accepting gays as Boy Scouts?

"WHAT WILL HAPPEN WHEN IT IS OPEN SEASON FOR THEM AT SCOUT CAMPS AT NIGHT?"

It will not be open season on anyone, you goddamn liar.

Ken, you aren't a piece of fecal matter. You are every piece of fecal matter from the beginning of time until the end. You are the sum total of all excrement personified. You are a loathsome, hollow- hearted mound of bile and puss masquerading as a human being. You are an emotionally tone-deaf, abominable travesty whose every post is as rotten as it is disingenuous. If there is one molecule of human decency in your entire body, I feel extreme pity for it.

February 19, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Fulton’s rate of .380 to .703 percent, or 380 to 703 cases per 100,000 people, is the highest in the region, outpacing DeKalb and Cobb counties, as well as one of the highest in the South. Cobb and DeKalb counties show rates of .195 to .379 percent, or 195 to 379 cases per 100,000 people

This now rivals South Africa's worst statistics regarding HIV/AIDS! Shall we join some of the Clinton's and Obama's and encourage masses of homosexual individuals to take up asylm in our Blessed, Dear United States of America? Land of The Free and Home of The Brave! Is this truly what we desire for our Children, our Little Toddlers, our offspring and heritage? Is this the legacy we want to leave as an inheritance to our Little Ones? That we voted with some of the Clintons and Obamas to place their innocent bodies into dark Boy and Girl Scout Camps during nights of possible 'No Return'? It only takes one rectal intrusion of homosexual sex for that 'Night of No Return'! I implore, even beg all guardian Parents of their innocent young to hear my Clarion Call to Common Sense. I have provided the Scientific Data...now it is Your Choice to be Providers, Protectors, and Guides to Your Dear Children.

Jesus Christ>>>John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, "I am The Way, The Truth, and The Life..."

Ken ORR

February 19, 2013 at 1:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Ken Orr,

"This now rivals South Africa's worst statistics regarding HIV/AIDS!"

LIAR! The South African HIV/AIDS rate is 115 per 1,000. There are 5.7 million people with HIV/AIDs in South Africa. There are 11,000 in Fulton County and only 9,500 in DeKalb and Cobb County combined with HIV/AIDS. The statistics aren't even close, you liar.

"Shall we join some of the Clinton's and Obama's and encourage masses of homosexual individuals to take up asylm in our Blessed, Dear United States of America?"

Absolutely.

"Is this truly what we desire for our Children, our Little Toddlers, our offspring and heritage?"

Absolutely.

"Is this the legacy we want to leave as an inheritance to our Little Ones?"

Without a doubt.

"That we voted with some of the Clintons and Obamas to place their innocent bodies into dark Boy and Girl Scout Camps during nights of possible 'No Return'?"

You're a goddamn liar.

"It only takes one rectal intrusion of homosexual sex for that 'Night of No Return'!"

You would know all about that.

"I have provided the Scientific Data...now it is Your Choice to be Providers, Protectors, and Guides to Your Dear Children."

You have provided zero scientific data supporting your bigotry, homophobia, discrimination, and deep seeded hatred. You have simply provided AIDS statistics. That means nothing. Homosexuals and pedophiles ARE NOT the same. That has been explained to you over and over again. Yet, you continue to lie and proclaim your bigotry and ignorance as if you were mentally handicapped. You are a goddamn liar. If there was a heaven, you wouldn't belong there. Your lies alone would surely damn you.

February 19, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Wow, Ken you are an unbelievable mental case.

It's not hard to see that you are a probable risk to yourself as well as those around you.

Does your counselor know that you post here?

February 19, 2013 at 2:57 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"The Orrs of the group do nothing but great and irreversible damage to the image of any congregation who would claim him...--dao1980"

The members of Orr's congregation cannot even enjoy the post-service covered-dish supper. A plate filled with fried chicken, green beans, and hashbrown casserole with a big ol' glass of sweet tea on the side...Then along comes Kenny rambling on about gut parasites again. Is nothing sacred?

"Where's the Church? Who took the steeple? Religion's in the hands of some crazy-ass people!" --Jimmy Buffett

February 19, 2013 at 3:30 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I have spoken! It is now Your Choice about Your Children in the Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts. We must all live and die with the Choices we make. God Bless Us All.

Ken ORR

February 19, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Now that absolute medical/scientific facts/statistics have been provided to loving/caring parents please express your comments/opinions about this 'Gay/Homosexual Agenda Manifesto' directed toward Your Toddlers, etc.:

..................HOMOSEXUAL MANIFESTO .....................

..............AN ESSAY ON THE HOMOSEXUAL REVOLUTION............... by: Michael Swift

Reference. This essay was printed in the February 15, 1987 issue of the homosexual newspaper Gay Community News by Michael Swift, and was reprinted in the February 15-21 1987 Congressional Record.

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of you shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all-male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us. Women, you cry for freedom. You say you are no longer satisfied with men; they make you unhappy. We, connoisseurs of the masculine face, the masculine physique, shall take your men from you then. We will amuse them; we will instruct them; we will embrace them when they weep.

We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of you shallow dreams and vulgar lies. We shall seduce them in your schools, in your dormitories, in your gymnasiums, in your locker rooms, in your sports arenas, in your seminaries, in your youth groups, in your movie theater bathrooms, in your army bunkhouses, in your truck stops, in your all-male clubs, in your houses of Congress, wherever men are with men together. Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding.

Women, you say you wish to live with each other instead of with men. Then go and be with each other. We shall give your men pleasures they have never known because we are foremost men too and only man knows how to truly please another man; only one man can understand with depth and feeling the mind and body of another man.

All laws banning homosexual activity will be revoked. Instead, legislation shall be passed which engenders love between men.

http://supreme.lp.findlaw.com/supreme_court/briefs/02-102/02-102.mer.ami.lc.pdf

[Above reference pages 18, 19 & 20]

http://item.liveleak.com/2/view?i=5a5_1256854762

http://www.restoringamerica.org/sexual_revolution.htm

N.A.M.B.L.A.,,,[NATIONAL MAN-BOY LOVE ASSOCIATION] Reference. This essay was printed in the February 15, 1987 issue of the homosexual newspaper Gay Community News by Michael Swift, and was reprinted in the February 15-21 1987 Congressional Record.

February 19, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

I continue to flag your comments Ken. Give it up. You are disgusting.

February 19, 2013 at 6:36 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu, Because i like you as a fellow human, I refuse to believe You are a Communistic betrayer of the First Amendment of The Constitution of Our United States of America. I cannot believe You truly seek to CENSOR Free Speech. I continue to believe You are a progressive individual. ken

February 19, 2013 at 6:46 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

Speech has consequences. You are free to say what you want, but there are always consequences. The policies of this website govern the standards. In my opinion you have violated those standards. Therefore, I flag your comments. If the TFP agrees, you will have to post your lies on someone else's forum.

Buy a billboard and post your crap there.

Just like shouting "fire" in a crowded theater, your words here can result in someone innocent getting hurt. Shame on you.

February 19, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

I have flagged and will continue to flag you as well. The time for bigotry, lies and homophobia is over. Your voice deserves to be silenced.

February 19, 2013 at 7:47 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

WRONG, WRONG, WRONG! I have only presented solid, verifiable, scientific and Christian Facts. What I have written is indeed semantically and analytically correct. I have utilized proper citing and references from scientific institutions such as The Center for Disease Control (CDC) and John Hopkins University Medical Center, and others.

I have cited and referenced other National Top Ten Newspapers such as is the Chattanooga Times Free Press. I have utilized some of the greatest Journalistic Factual Research available through these Newspapers. I have utilized word-for-word, verbatim content so that I would place no 'spin' of my own there.

So Go Cry In Your Own Communistic, Marxist, Socialistic, First Amendment 'Free Speech Desecrating' Cat's Milk, and Leave Me Alone to Post Facts of My Free Speech First Amendment to The United States Constitution Rights as a Citizen in Good Standing of Our Nation!

Ken ORR

February 20, 2013 at 5:46 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

And, please give the following your most valued and sincere consideration:

One of the most heartbreaking tenants of the HOMOSEXUAL MANIFESTO reprinted in the February 15-21 1987 Congressional Record States: "...There will be no compromises...Those who oppose us will be exiled...THE FAMILY UNIT, WHICH ONLY DAMPENS IMAGINATION and CURBS FREE WILL, MUST BE ELIMINATED..."

So now, with greatest and most revered solemnity, I ask you all Lib-Dems; IS THIS THE VISION and DESIRE THAT YOU HAVE FOR YOUR CHILDREN and GRANDCHILDREN? IS THIS WHAT YOU DEEM AS CHARITABLE, HEALTHY FOR ORPHANS, TODDLERS, THOSE YET WITHOUT A VOICE DUE TO PRECIOUS YOUTH? WILL YOU CONTINUE TO SUPPORT SOME OF THE CLINTONS AND OBAMAS IN THEIR PUSH TO INFILTRATE THE BOY SCOUTS OF AMERICA WITH THESE TYPES OF 'HUMANS'?

Following is a shocking read: iD.;cf.David Thorstad, "ManBoy Love and The American Gay Movement," In Male Intergenerational Intimacy: Historical, Socio-Psychological and Legal Perspectives, J OF HOMOSEXUALITY.

February 20, 2013 at 7:06 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Flagged again, Ken Orr. Please get help. Get off the computer and seek professional help. Do it for your children and grandchildren.

February 20, 2013 at 7:25 a.m.
dao1980 said...

GROSS!!! What poop-pawed looser, loony-toon toiled-brained idgit, slimy inept salesman of things he doesn't own..

Easy, don't make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry... or so he says.. hahahahaha

It's funny to see him cry, "leave me alone!!" when all he ever does is persecute and lie about others... "in the name of Jeeebus!!" with a wigglin' finger raised high to the almighty! haha

Because, "christian facts" are different from regular ol' everyday facts dontchaknow.

I think a "christian fact" must cost more than a regular fact, and can only be purchased at your neighborhood christian bookstore for no less than a hundred dollars... right?

February 20, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

dao1980,

Please be who you really are. I know you are far above those types of comments...far, far above them. I believe with everything within myself that i am not presuming about you. If you are willing you could help direct others to higher endeavors/planes. kwo

February 20, 2013 at 8:04 a.m.
dao1980 said...

No.. Emperor Palpatine, I will not join the dark-side...

February 20, 2013 at 8:07 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Flagged again, Orr.

February 20, 2013 at 10:51 a.m.
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