published Friday, February 22nd, 2013

5-at-10: Mailbag answering if Tyler Bray is a first-rounder and Sports movie Oscars

Gang, superb week and we are about to enter a really fun time in sports. Remember the Hit and Miss Daytona 500 challenge — we'll post the entries around lunch. You can still enter by sending us who you think will win and where you think Danica will finish. Deal? Deal.

From the "Talks too much" studios, let's flip the script.

From AReader

The Academy Awards are this weekend. What would be your all-time Academy Award winners for the major categories (picture, actor, actress supporting actor, supporting actress) in movies about sports?

Thanks, and thanks for the 5-at-10...

AReader,

Such a great question, thank you. And hope you saw how everyone played along with their choices on Thursday. We did these by the performances in the movie, not the caliber of the actor in a sports movie, or it would be Denzel (Remember the Titans), Morgan and Clint (Million Dollar Baby), et al.

This is an old-school type of 5-at-10 mailbag question in which we spent EN-tirely too much time listing and re-listing our choices and write entirely too much about them. But we promised to make the mailbag more condensed, so let's do work:

Cue the lights. Enter host Jim Nantz and his co-host Rudy Ruettiger.

Nantz: "Welcome friends. We're at the first — and last — Academy Sports Movies Academy Awards, here on CBS. Thankfully, Phil Simms was unable to attend, so I'm pleased to present my new analyst, Mr. Daniel "Rudy" Ruettiger. Welcome Daniel.

Rudy: "Thanks Jim. Did you know I played football at Notre Dame?"

Nantz: "Uh, yes, Daniel."

Rudy: "Call me Rudy. Can I call you Jimbo? How about Nantzy? Like Nantzy Boy?"

Nantz: "Uh, no. Where's Simms?"

Rudy: "Did you know I had a sack against Georgia Tech? They carried me off the field and everything."

Nantz: "Sweet Brett Butler's Cabin, who picked this clown? Let's get on with this... Friends, here are the nominees in the seven major categories:

Cameo by a sports star playing themselves: Kareem in Airplane; Brett Favre in Something About Mary; Mike Tyson is Hangover; Dan Marino in Ace Ventura; and Lance Armstrong in Dodgeball.

And the winner is: Brett Favre in Something About Mary if for no other reason than that may have been the last time we saw Brett Favre and were pleasantly surprised to see him.

Best supporting actress in a sports movie: Tatum O'Neal in Bad News Bears; Kim Basinger in the Natural and well, this is kind of a limited category, let's keep going. Congrats to Tatum O'Neal...

Rudy: What about the girl that played my girlfriend in "Rudy" — did you know I played football at Notre Dame? She was pretty hot. And she dug me.

Nantz: Gravy, would you be quiet so we can get through this. Not even Billy Packer was this bad.

Best supporting actor in a sports movie: Dennis Hopper in Hoosiers; Carl Weathers in Rocky; Wilford Brimley in The Natural; James Earl Jones in Field of Dreams; Bill Murray in Caddyshack

Rudy: Love Bill Murray. Long the Lama. Pool or Pond...

Nantz: A pond would be good for you (giggles)... congrats to Dennis Hopper.

Best actress in a sports movie: Talia Shire in Rocky; Sandra Bullock in The Blind Side; Geena Davis in League of Their Own; Hilary Swank in Million Dollar Baby; Susan Sarandon in Bull Durham... wow what a tough category... and the winner is Susan Sarandon. Wow.

Best actor in a sports movie...

Rudy: Sean Astin, right?

Nantz: Listen Daniel, you can speak when I point to you. Deal? Now pipe down and zip one for the Gipper will you?

The nominees for best actor in a sports movie are Kurt Russell in Miracle; Sly Stallone in Rocky; Gene Hackman in Hoosiers, Kevin Costner in Bull Durham and

Rudy: Sean Astin in...

Nantz: That's it. You're done. Now I know whay Devine didn't want to play your carcass. Get my agent on the horn. I'm Jim Nantz for crying out loud. Where were we... Yes, the final best actor nominee in a category in which it's truly an honor just to be nominated is Robert DeNiro in Raging Bull. And the winner is Robert DeNiro is Raging Bull. Wow, what a tough category.

And for the big one, the best picture among sports dramas, let's go to the nominees...(glaring at Rudy and through clinched teeth) Not a word our of you leprechaun. The nominees are Hoosiers, The Natural, Miracle, Rocky and Seabiscuit. And the winner is... The Natural. Kind of shock there, we had our money on Hoosiers, but The Natural is so wonderfully made and the use of light and dark, black and white is magnificent.

Now for best sports movies comedies, the nominees are Caddyshack, Slapshot, Major League, The Bad News Bears and Bull Durham and the winner is... Caddyshack.

Thanks, and would you like to add anything Rudy... Nevermind.

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Inspired from JMC comment

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    Actor Morgan Freeman poses backstage with the Cecil B. Demille Award during the 69th Annual Golden Globe Awards Sunday, Jan. 15, 2012, in Los Angeles. (AP Photo/Mark J. Terrill)

What's the Rushmore of Morgan Freeman performances?

We can make a hard argument that if you only could watch movies that featured one particular actor in them, Freeman would be on the short list of final answers. He's that good and his catalog is top-notch.

As for his Rushmore — and this was inspired by the sports' movies Oscar question — we'll take Shawshank Redemption, Lean on Me, Glory and Unforgiven.

And dude's resume is so full that leaves out Oscar-nominated turns in Driving Miss Daisy, Million Dollar Baby (he won here) and Invictus.

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From Stewwie

Since Friday will be the day after the NBA trade deadline, who are your top 5 contenders for the title? I'm curious to see where Garnett, Josh Smith, and Redick end up if they get traded. Kupchak says Howard and Gasol are staying put in L.A.

Stewwie,

Wow, the trade deadline came and went with little more than a whisper. J.J. Reddick was sent to Milwaukee and Houston fleeced Sacramento for Thomas Robinson and that was about it. As for the top-five contenders, here's what we have:

1) Miami — Until a team shows they can beat the champs, the champs are the team to beat.

2) OKC — Not as much of a threat as they were a year ago without Beard Harden.

3) San Antonio — The Spurs still have the big three and are deep and have the best coach in the NBA — and maybe all of pro sports, but that's for another day. Here's betting that Miami would rather play OKC than the Spurs, who match up well against Miami's weaknesses.

4) LA Clippers — If the Clip show can stay healthy, and that's a big if, Chris Paul is going to be tough to handle in the playoffs.

5) Chicago — This is Indiana's spot if Derek Rose is shelved for the entire year. But we think Rose is going to return and lead the Bulls to the Eastern Conference Finals and an epic series against the Heat.

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From Orangeguy

What's your Rushmore of worst owners in sports?

Orange —

Wow, we've had some great questions, and this one is right there.

Let's define the "Worst owners in sports" category first. While guys like Daniel Snyder and Jerry Jones are hyper-involved to the point of being a detriment, we would rather have a guy that meddles but truly wants to win over an owner just cashing the checks and shrugging their shoulders at the product on the field.

That said, you mentioned two Hall of Famers for bad owners in Donald Sterling (Clippers) and Jeffrey Loria (Marlins). We'll add David Glass (Royals) and Mike Brown (Bengals) to complete the Rushmore. But it was tough leaving off James Dolan (Knicks), the Maloof Brothers (Sacramento), MJ (Bobcats), Mike Brown (Bengals), the Davis family - minus Al (Raiders) and a slew of others including the corporation that owns the Hawks. Side note: The Hawks in the growing city of stature for black America that is Atlanta should be way better than they are. This is a discussion for another day, but the Hawks are among the biggest underachievers in all of pro sports. Period. And that's on ownership in a lot of areas.

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From Johnny VF

First time writing in but I love the 5-at-10. And I love you on the radio with Quake... have you thought about doing a radio show regularly?

My serious question for you is this -- You love the draft... we know this. But there's no way you'd draft Tyler Bray in the first round is there? No way, right?

Please Obi 5, say there's no way. Please.

Thanks, and give me Dale Jr. and 30th in the NASCAR contest.

JVF,

Thanks for the kind words and feel free to swing by anytime — don't cost nothing.

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    Tennessee senior quarterback Tyler Bray passes during the first half.

As for the Tyler Bray issue, let's review what we've said: Dude has elite skills throwing a football. Does that translate into a first-round pick? Maybe. Does it translate into a big risk in Bray's case? Absolutely.

As for picking Bray, no way would we spend a first-round pick on him. There's too much risk. That said, if you grade this quarterback class, we think Bray has as much upside as an NFL starter as any QB in this draft. Look at the skills he has that really can't be taught — arm strength; throws a great ball; accuracy; ideal height — and the areas he needs to work on that can be corrected. Heck, the 5-at-10 was far from the mature, finished product you visit with daily 20 years ago when we were Bray's age.

Maturity arrives at different times for all of us; the ability to sling a football like Bray does, however, is an elite talent.

If we had to rank this QB class on potential to be a successful NFL starter within three years, right now we'd go:

Matt Barkley, Tyler Bray, Mike Glennon, Ryan Nassib, Geno Smith and we're reserving judgement on Duke's Sean Renfree until after the combine this weekend. That said, we wouldn't take any of them in the first round, unless we made a good deal to get into the back half of Round 1 to get in front of the Chiefs, who are QB starving and have the first pick of Round 2. In fact, a dream scenario for the Falcons is no QBs get picked in the first 29 choices, then a team like the Raiders or the Cardinals overpays to move up to No. 30 to take a QB.

So it goes.

Discuss and feel free to answer along.

about Jay Greeson...

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chas9 said...

Mature, finished product--Who got the better of the J.J. for Doron Lamb trade?

I picked Sarandon yesterday, so applaud your concurrence. Kostner's pleasant and decent, but he just never rises quite to the top. And are you certain Bull Durham's a comedy?

If the 19-assist Pressey shows up tomorrow, Mizzou wins. If it's the 10-turnover Pressey, Cats win. (Assuming the up and down Kentucky core keeps its three heads in the game.)

February 22, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.
Stewwie said...

Good list on title contenders. Here's mine (in order):

Heat, Spurs, Thunder, Clippers, Pacers.

The Thunder will miss Harden when they get deep into the playoffs. He helped the Thunder get past the Spurs last year when he lit them up throughout the WCF series. As of now, I think the Spurs have the edge to get to the Finals. It will be interesting to see who ends up meeting the Heat in the ECF. Can the Knicks pull it together? Will Rose come back and lead the Bulls on a nice run as you predicted? Will Granger's coming back help the Pacers get there?

Disappointed in Farad Cobb. Dude had an opportunity to step up this year with Hampton out, but it hasn't happened. And now, it looks like he's done as a Moc.

February 22, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
chas9 said...

An FBI agent, a millionaire's straying wife, and an underage girl walk into a Ringgold bar. What is this?

A) Opening line of a joke;

B) Future reality show;

C) Plot for a "48 Hours" investigation; or

D) Actual Friday TFP news report.

February 22, 2013 at noon
JonathanMCook said...

Jay-

Interesting Rushmore on Morgan Freeman even though I never really was hinting it. Two of the four I definately agree with (Shawshank and Lean on Me). My other two would be Million Dollar Baby and his combined contribution to all three Batman movies. The reason being most actors of his calibur would "balk" at the idea of doing a quote-unquote "comic book" film but Morgan brought respect to the Lucis Fox character instead of phoning it in. Then again, we're talking about someone who also did "The Electric HEEEEEYYYYYYY YOOOOOUUUUU GUYYYYYSSSSSS Company" that I use to watch in a past life but didn't realize it.

Remember, there was no Jake and the Neverland Pirates back in the day. ;)

(One-up regarding a certain pun on a certain defense coordinator that I THOUGHT we had long since put to bed)

LOLed on the Rudy parody.

Stewwie-

Farad who? That goes to show how unfortunately jadded I have become with the program. To me it's Z-man, That Dirk-looking fella who can't hit a free throw, and a bunch of other people in jerseys.

February 22, 2013 at 12:08 p.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

100-percent certain Bull Durham's a comedy.

"This son of gun's throwing a two-hit shutout and he's shaking me off... you believe that stuff? Charlie, here comes the deuce, and when you speak of me, speak well."

"C'Mon, serve it up."

The last 20 minutes didn't happen.

And Missouri vs. UK in hoops, dodgeball or backgammon? What's Coach Cal's game of choice this weekend.

As for the trivia, we'll take E — all of the above.

Stew —

Pacers are a great call because their size could hurt Miami and they have the skills on the perimeter to wear on King James. (That said, the way he's killing folks right now, it's Jordan circa '92 to be honest about it.)

The Cobb thing is disappointing, but in truth if you are expecting anything much different from the UTC men's basketball program these days, well, what's the old definition of insanity — trying the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

JMC —

Great Jake shout out; and Morgan's time on the Electic Company was inspired. One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is doing its own thing.

The UTC fans we know who are only "jadded" by Mocs hoops are the more optimistic ones to be truth. They are still this side of the angry or the absent.

February 22, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Farad who? That goes to show how unfortunately jadded I have become with the program. To me it's Z-man, That Dirk-looking fella who can't hit a free throw, and a bunch of other people in jerseys.]

"Dirk-looking fella"...haha!! And you are correct, dude struggles from the charity stripe. I've been disappointed in his overall play this year.

The Mocs have done well at times this year, but the injury bug has really hurt. Dirk Zlovaric not playing up to expectations has hurt too. And what else is a coach supposed to do with a guy like Cobb who (supposedly) didn't take his schooling seriously and persistently showed up late to practices? You give a kid too many chances and you'll lose all respect. Maybe if Shulman had literally lit a fire under his backside, dude would have changed. But then there's a good chance that Shulman would have ended up in the slammer for attempting such a tactic.

February 22, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From friend of the show BillyinBrainerd

JAY, FOR SOME REASON, I CANNOT POST A 5@10 COMMENT THRU THE T-FP WEB-SITE (?)…SO HELP ME WITH A FEW THINGS, IF YOU HAVE TIME…

1ST…MY ENTRY IN THE ‘HIT + MISS’ CONTEST: BRAD K TO WIN IN THE MILLER LITE 2 CAR, AND MISS DANICA TO FINISH 22ND…DEUCES WILD…

2ND…DO YOU HAVE A UTC MENS BASKETBALL MEDIA GUIDE HANDY? WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME THEY LOST BY 26…AT HOME…TO A TEAM BELOW THEM IN THE STANDINGS? IT WAS BRUTAL…I LEFT AT THE UNDER 16 TIMEOUT IN THE 2ND HALF…

3RD…ANYONE I CAN TALK TO AT THE T-FP ABOUT MY POSTING ISSUE…I AM PRETTY SURE IT IS NOT ON MY END, SINCE MY INTERNET ACCESS IS THRU WORK…THE ERROR MESSAGE IS FROM THE T-FP, NOT FROM WORK…

Thanks and keep up the good work,

February 22, 2013 at 2:06 p.m.
mcpell3 said...

chas - "An FBI agent..." Excellent! I about washed my monitor with coffee. 5/10 - Would the Falcon's Rankin Smith go into the Worst Owner's HOF?

February 22, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.
chas9 said...

Whatever the category, I'll take Morgan Freeman (God incarnate) to win. Which is better, Stand by Me or Lean on Me? Movie or song category.

Falcons release Turner? Hmmmm.

Ten 3-pointers? Did I read that right?

MCP3--Spewing your drink is an old, well-honored stage and movie device. Glad you've mastered it. Especially if the computer survived.

Stuckey--Thanks for your advice on the NCAA tourney yesterday. Sounds about right, but you're generous to call The Hogs and The Aggies bubble teams. The SEC just fell off the cliff this year.

February 22, 2013 at 3:27 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Well, at least UTC men's hoops is relevant to Billy in Brainerd. Could he stop yelling?

5, you know Nantz would never have deigned to speak directly to Rudy. He would have gone through the producer or his agent at the first instance of annoyance.

Good point about the Hawks. I wonder what their attendance figures/ratings are when someone who isn't the Heat or Lakers or Thunder comes to Philips Arena.

February 22, 2013 at 3:37 p.m.
biff_loman said...

the mocs still have a men's hoops team?

could have fooled me

February 22, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.
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