published Monday, January 7th, 2013

No compromise for guns

Some state legislators still pretend to believe they can find a reasonable "compromise" between business owners who don't want their employees leaving guns in their cars on their parking lots, and gun owners and NRA lobbyists who insist on that privilege. Take the latest idea, offered by state Sen. Stacey Campfield. He proposes to institute the outmoded "don't ask, don't tell" rule that the Pentagon tried for years in a futile compromise on gay rights.

The formula never worked because it involved an untenable pretense by people on both sides of the rule. Gays and lesbians were denied equal civil rights with respect to their sexual orientation, and forced to live that part of their lives in a quiet shadow. If their sexual orientation was reported, they were ousted from the military regardless of the meritorious service they typically provided to their country.

The nation finally learned the lesson of the futility of such a pretense. Campfield, R-Knoxville, doesn't seem to have gotten the message. He claims his formulation of a "don't ask, don't tell for guns" policy would let business owners and gun-carriers alike get "what they want out of" the compromise.

"Businesses can post [against guns]on their property. But you can't make searching of someone's vehicle for a gun a condition of employment."

Baloney. That's precisely where his flimsy rationale breaks down: He would let employers search vehicles in cases of suspected theft, but he would forbid them the right to search employees' vehicles simply to ascertain whether employees are violating their rule barring the keeping of guns in vehicles parked on their property.

Many employers would not tolerate that restriction, nor the implicit lie or pretense inherent in Campfield's proposal. Courts likely would be on their side. Employers already enjoy the right to require employees to take urine tests for illicit drug use, and to forbid smoking on their property, among other personal and civil restrictions. They almost certainly would contest restrictions on their right to deny employees permission to bring guns onto their private property, or to verify compliance with their policy. They would also object to a secretive pretense deliberately designed to allow employees to keep guns in their cars on employers' parking lots.

Campfield's proposal is hardly a novel version of controversial pro-gun-carry provisions for employers' parking lots. Senate Majority Leader Ron Ramsey describes his own proposal -- to let employees with gun-carry permits keep their guns locked in their car on employers' parking lots -- as a "compromise," as well.

These untenable proposals are just the latest in a fierce two-year debate over employee gun rights that has generated vehement opposition from many of the state's largest employers, including Volkswagen and the University of Tennessee. Employers rightly oppose gun-carry on their property by employees as a grave intrusion on their private property rights, and as a blatant breach of their security and safety policies, and their legal and fiduciary responsibilities to enforce policies to protect their employees.

They have good reason to be concerned about violation of their property rights, safety obligations and civil liability: This nation has a long and bloody record of angry employees going on shooting sprees in their plants and leaving many of their former co-workers shot to death. Employers must do everything they can to prevent such tragedies.

Employers, of course, have already killed a similar proposal to allow employees with gun permits to leave their guns in employers' parking lots, and to deny employers the right to ask their employees whether they leave guns in their parking spaces. So it seems pretty clear that there really is no compromise to be had. Lawmakers can uphold employers' rights to bar guns from their premises, to verify compliance, or they can elevate guns over employers, and lose jobs and companies.

By now, the answer should be obvious. The NRA's model "safe-commute" proposal -- another contribution from the NRA lobby in the corporate-dominated American Legislative Exchange Council's packet of right-wing legislative ideas -- has gone beyond the traditional dividing line between the gun-rights lobby and the corporate-profit lobby. In this case, jobs should win, not guns-everywhere advocates.

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aae1049 said...

Never compromise on gun rights.

January 7, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Employers should pay concealed carry permit holders a special bonus every pay period for making the workplace safer. Why should they feel they can freeload?

January 8, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
Easy123 said...

So employers should pay employees to carry weapons but not provide insurance coverage that includes birth control for those same employees, correct?

Sense that does not make.

January 8, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Easy,

That would be up to the employer. The government should keep its nose out of it.

January 8, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You just rebutted your original statement.

January 8, 2013 at 2:57 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

No, I never suggested that the government should require an employer to pay. See how the mind of a Statist works? The Statist thinks nothing can get done unless the government does it. Quite the contrary.

January 8, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
Easy123 said...

I never suggested that you said the government should require an employer to pay. See how your mind works? Read my words for what they are and stop putting words in my mouth.

You said that employers should pay employees to carry weapons. In your next post, you said that should be up to the employer. You rebutted your own remark. See how that works or do I need to explain it further?

January 8, 2013 at 3:46 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

No Easy, your positions are beyond explanation! You know where you were coming from with the birth control quip. What would be interesting is an explanation of why are you in a state of denial.

January 8, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"No Easy, your positions are beyond explanation!"

Maybe you're just afraid of my explanation. Or you're very stupid. Which is it?

"You know where you were coming from with the birth control quip."

I do. But what does that have to do with you rebutting your own remark?

"What would be interesting is an explanation of why are you in a state of denial."

Denial about what? I never suggest that you said the government should require an employer to pay. Why are you projecting your own mistake onto me?

Would you like to keep being evasive like the coward you are or are you going to put on your big boy pants and have an adult discussion?

January 8, 2013 at 4:27 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Yawn...

January 8, 2013 at 4:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

BRP,

"Yawn..."

That's what I thought. LMFAO! You folks are all the same. You can't debate a real person. You have to debate the strawman you create. And once you're called out on something, you get out of dodge quick!

January 8, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
FreedomJournal said...

The Parable Of The Weapon of Mass Destruction (7 January 2013)

I fell and was called to a conversation with John. The children cried, screamed and hollered. The old folk wept and the demon possessed trigger man laughed as he had no tears.

One man found a time of insanity when he lost his job. He did not have to go to a pawn shop or gun store. He went home fetched his arsenal and tried to eliminate everyone at his former workplace that winked at him.

Guns are called weapons in the military but they must have some help to kill. A hammer strikes a nail but does the hammer build the house. I saw many unused tools rusting in decay in a tool box.

The guns the rifles the man O' war assault rifles rested not used and in need of a good cleaning in a gun rack. That shot-gun has never fired any buck shot by its own power. What power?

That trigger finger never really controls the weapon. A society sick in many ways especially Spiritual decay has a certain attitude. The young and old have a particular mind-set and heart failure.

Man, meanwhile lower than lower animals, kills for fun. The hunter rich and wealthy, cherished his trophy which was the head of big game. Mercy in the Lions Den. They roamed in Large Land Rovers all through the jungles of Africa.

The rape of “The Land of the Blacks” even included the elephant, the great cheetah and tiger land as some roam and wander all through the African Savanna, for ages at peace, until gun powder came.

But some stayed at home to stalk the deer whose antlers adorn many mantel-pieces. The corpses of innocent babes rotted in the fields, the jungle and the all along the mountain side.

The Plains Indians still cry as the great Bison the Buffalo would no longer roam as dead animals rotted in the sun, scalped of their hide the skin and fur that kept the Comanche warm during the great winter’s of the open Plains.

We see thus many killers of men, women, children, boys and little girls practice all day and night on a gun range outdoors and indoors well into midnight. The money barons the real gun-runners smiled as the weapon of mass destruction came not cheap.

Nor did the bullets they let fly. The world thus bears witness to a great obsession with killing tools. While some come to hoard guns for protection and others think that one day there will be a great Revolt over the economics of racism.

John however had some answers. Banning all things used unwisely is not really the answer as this will never come to daylight or midnight. However, seeing the heart Doctor who rendered His blood once and for all will fix any problem.

Peace and Sweet Paradise, Brother Carl A. Patton writing for the FreedomJournal Press 10 January 2013 in the year of our Lord and Savior Christ Jesus.

January 11, 2013 at 8:07 p.m.
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