published Monday, January 21st, 2013

Look at what amendment says and other letters to the editors

Look at what amendment says

I would really like someone to explain to me why, given all the discussion about gun issues, no one bothers to go back to the original work in its entirety. The 2nd Amendment to the U.S. Constitution uses the phrase "well regulated militia." What is so hard to comprehend about the concept of "well regulated," or of a militia? Many currently define themselves as "strict constructionists," yet they fail to use the 2nd Amendment in its entirety.

Why exclude the well regulated militia component, and only select out for emphasis the "keep and bear arms" concept. A collection of armed janitors is not a well regulated militia. Stop the insanity!


McCullough an excellent leader

I endorse the candidacy of Thomas McCullough for the 1st District City Council seat.

I know Tom McCullough primarily through my brother Wilbourne. He has been a friend of Tom's for the past 30 years. Over these years, I have heard glowing reports about this outstanding educational and civic-minded individual.

Tom has been involved in community affairs throughout his entire adult life, serving as president of the Hixson Chamber of Commerce; president of Friends of East Brainerd and was a facilitator for Chattanooga Vision 2000.

Further, he served on the DuPont Plant Community Advisory Committee, the Chamber's School Consolidation Task Force and most importantly the Chattanooga Human Rights Commission. However, this does not begin to exalt his involvement in the community.

I spent over 25 years in city government, having retired as director of citywide services. I have known most of the commissioners, councilmen/women personally. I care deeply about city government and who runs it. We have had some excellent public servants, and I am confident Thomas McCullough would also be an outstanding member of City Council.

I recommend him for election in District 1.


Leaders must move beyond ideology

Is the current Tennessee leadership serving the people well?

When the fiscal cliff vote was taken in the House, both DesJarlais and Fleischmann voted for a middle class tax increase instead of the top 1 percent paying its fair share.

Tennessee's two senators did not renominate Dr. Marilyn Brown to the TVA board because she was "unqualified." She is a 2007 Nobel co-laureate, professor at Oak Ridge National Laboratory and Georgia Tech, author of numerous articles on energy. It appears our knowledgeable senators think only someone with the proper ideology is qualified.

In 2008, both our senators joined others in praising Chuck Hagel, a Republican. Now we see Republican leaders in the Senate attacking Hagel, a Purple Heart Vietnam veteran, because he is "anti-Semitic" and not enough of a hawk against Iran and the continuation of the Iraq War. He is supported by many Jewish leaders, just not Republicans.

Our governor is unwilling to support public schools, because some private and charter schools are more open to teaching that evolution and climate change are wrong. Yet he decries Tennessee's lagging behind in college graduates.

If Tennessee is to have a brighter future, its leaders need to move beyond ideology.


U.S. a nation in moral decay

David Cook's column Jan. 11 asks the question (he feels is posed by a fictional accounting of Bin Laden's death) "Who are we as Americans"? That's simple. We are a nation that tortures. But it started way before 9/11. It started in the '70s with the slaughter of the unborn now reaching proportions of one killing every 90 seconds. We are a nation that has taken God out of schools and the public forum and then ask where he was when tragedies occur. We are a people who have twisted and squeezed the foundation of our nation, the Constitution, and subverted it to please and pamper every fringe, lunatic and welfare-seeking group, ignoring the fundamentals that framed our once great nation.

We are a nation that praises, worships and gives awards to people who offer up violence and immorality in the name of "art and free speech" and then are shocked when it occurs in real life.

We have become a society that lives by man's failed laws. But unfortunately America today is a nation in moral decay with no fear of God.


Maybe we are our own enemy

Prior to Pearl Harbor, the Japanese warlords made a grave error. They failed to adequately assess the resolve of the American people.

Admiral Yamamota supposedly alluded to this when, after the attack, he said, "I fear that all we accomplished today was to awaken a sleeping tiger." He was right.

There were no dissenters; everyone joined and sacrificed in the war effort. Morality, resolve, "true grit," "backbone" and determination were abundant. We all sacrificed. My dad fought in the "Bulge" (wounded three times). My mother sewed parachutes. One plant built 24 airplanes per day, seven days a week.

Maybe this is enough: In WWII, we had some 300,000 killed. After that war, only about 2 percent of returning military applied for disability.

From Desert Storm through today, we have lost, what? Maybe 6,000 to 8,000 dead? And can it be that we now have more military suicides than battle fatalities? Yet today some 45 percent of returning military apply for disability.

Per Pogo, "We have met the enemy, and they are us." Per the seamen, "Without greater morality, resolve, grit, backbone and determination, our nation is doomed."

W. RICHARD BARGER, Monteagle, Tenn.

Help give city fresh start with Mitchell

I am a lifelong resident of District 2. I have seen our area grow and prosper, and I love the diversity of our district. Even though we may be different, I know we all share the same concerns such as crime in our neighborhoods and having a strong local economy.

Jerry Mitchell shares those concerns too, and I believe that's why he's running for City Council. Not only does he have the experience of having served as Parks and Recreation director for both Mayors Kinsey and Corker, but Jerry will seek to engage citizens, keep us informed and involved in the decision-making.

This March election gives Chattanooga a fresh start, and we want a City Council that will work with our new mayor as we continue to grow and renew. As voters, we have a choice. My choice is Jerry Mitchell, a lifelong Chattanoogan who is passionate about his hometown and who will work side by side with all residents to get things done. I hope you will join me in supporting and voting for Jerry Mitchell for District 2 City Council.


Where does all the money go?

Since 2006-2012, we have a 27 to 28 percent rate increase on sewer service rates. Where has this money gone? Now we will get another increase. My sewer bill is 3.15 percent more than water. This money we pay has not helped this area at all. It continues to get worse. Why?

Thanks to Jack Benson, Manuel Rico and Deborah Scott for returning my calls on this matter. I am in District 2. Sally Robinson has not responded. We need Roger Tuder to replace her.

Why do we need an assistant mayor at $98,000 a year? Are property taxes going to go up to pay this kind of money? We need answers.


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Easy123 said...

It's truly sad that people like Scott Harrington exist. Such a waste of a perfectly capable mind. Religion truly does poison everything.

January 21, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.


Help me to understand...are You saying that Janitors are stupid, or, ignorant? Is it that only someone with a Ph.D. could know anything about our great Constitution? Is the thought of a Janitor being a part of the militia comical, or, something? Maybe they don't have enough brains to be armed? Please expain about Your use of Janitors. kwo

January 21, 2013 at 2:09 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Why are you so dense, Orr? It's obvious Mr. Mesco meant none of the things you are implicating him in saying or thinking.

January 21, 2013 at 2:15 a.m.


Pseudo-Intellectuals are deceivers of the truth. They fall into the traps which they set for others. Go far from them, do not heed what they say<<<

January 21, 2013 at 2:34 a.m.

Thank You to Scott Harrington!

January 21, 2013 at 2:40 a.m.


I just want it known that 'All honest labor is honorable' (borrowed quote) (J. Paul Getty, i think). Janitors are valuable professionals.

January 21, 2013 at 2:51 a.m.
Easy123 said...


"Janitors are valuable professionals."

No one said it wasn't.

January 21, 2013 at 3:07 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

But unfortunately America today is a nation in moral decay with no fear of God.


Neither do intelligent people fear the Easter Bunny, Humpty-Dumpty, the Boogyman, or other imaginary creations.

You sure have a powerless God, Scott. A paranoid, envious, murderous, genocidal deity, but toothless, infirm, and impotent.

January 21, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Thank you Gene Mesco, for pointing out the part of the 2d Amendment that the "gun-rights" crowd routinely ignores.
A "well-regulated militia" certainly does not mean that unlicensed vigilantes get to strut around with assault weapon in shopping malls, school, parks, arenas, and movie theaters. The NRA's vision would turn the USA into an armed, paranoid, "polite" police state.

January 21, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

From Desert Storm through today, we have lost, what? Maybe 6,000 to 8,000 dead? And can it be that we now have more military suicides than battle fatalities? Yet today some 45 percent of returning military apply for disability.

Per Pogo, "We have met the enemy, and they are us."

W. RICHARD BARGER, Monteagle, Tenn.

Mr. Barger, you are correct in your assessment of the servicemen in WW2.

But the wars the US engages in today are not struggles for our country. They're imperialistic, empire building, corporate driven exercises that have turned the military into mercenaries, killers for profit, and the slaughter of innocent men, women, and children.

Wars without end, wars without justice, wars for profit by evil and corrupt politicians, military/defense contractors, and patriotic psychopaths.

And for what? Tell me, are arms, legs, sight, and American lives worth it? There's no flag big enough to cover the piles of dead, disabled, and mentally disturbed from the government's useless and needless wars since 1953.

"We have met the enemy, and it's politicians, government, and war profiteers."

January 21, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Easy123 said...

Why are you so dense, Orr? It's obvious Mr. Mesco meant none of the things you are implicating him in saying or thinking."

Thinking and reading comprehension are not Orr's strong suit. Only quoting an ancient tribal story that's poorly written, full of contradictions, myths, and phony 'miracles' is what Orr does best. Orr's in a religious goosestep and can't be bothered with reality, science, and thinking outside his fairy-tale box.

January 21, 2013 at 12:25 p.m.

Thank You to Scott Harrington! Now just look what even the Russian Government knows. They have fallen and are fighting for their lives to rise again! They know what gross, vile, immoral behavior does to destroy entire nations. Please, just read the following, and learn before we follow in the way of the old Roman Empire, Russia and others:

'Kissing his boyfriend during a protest in front of Russia's parliament earned Pavel Samburov 30 hours of detention and the equivalent of a $16 fine on a charge of "hooliganism." But if a bill that comes up for a first vote later this month becomes law, such a public kiss could be defined as illegal "homosexual propaganda" and bring a fine of up to $16,000. The legislation being pushed by the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church would make it illegal nationwide to provide minors with information that is defined as "propaganda of sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgenderism." It includes a ban on holding public events that promote gay rights. St. Petersburg and a number of other Russian cities already have similar laws on their books.' (Moscow Associated Press) kwo

January 21, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.

Regarding the Russian dilemma:

"Righteousness exalteth a nation: but sin is a reproach to any people."

Holy Scripture: Authorized King James Version

Every one of the Great Religions of the World assign homosexual behavior as 'aberrant'. Believe me, this is no consequence of empires, kingdoms, nations, governments, societies. kwo

January 21, 2013 at 1:33 p.m.
Livn4life said...

It truly is very sad that Easy123 so easily avoids the so called poison of religion in order to lay hold of irreligion and believe that he/she or we as humans have all the answers. That would eventually lead to the poisonous conclusion that we are god. But then, the poison would again become religious. If one was to discard the wasted "perfectly capable minds" of people of faith across the years who have contributed to the "evolution"(non-poisonous word which requires faith of a different type)of human society/civilizaton, the "evolution" would be greatly lacking. But then...we live in a country where one can waste a "perfectly capable mind" if he or she so chooses. By the way, where did the laws come from or are we poisoned by religion in the morality represented by the term "the law says...."?

January 21, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...


"and believe that he/she or we as humans have all the answers."

Humans are the only ones capable of finding answers.

"That would eventually lead to the poisonous conclusion that we are god."

That is a non sequitur. You cannot logically come to that conclusion.

" If one was to discard the wasted "perfectly capable minds" of people of faith.."

Faith and religion are no longer useful and played no part in scientific discovery.

"which requires faith of a different type)"

It requires no faith to believe facts. All the evidence is on the side of evolution. You have zero evidence for your outrageous claims.

"By the way, where did the laws come from"


"or are we poisoned by religion in the morality represented by the term "the law says...."?"

Your religion isn't moral. That's your problem. The "morals" and "laws" presented in your holy book are egregiously immoral.

You are a perfect example of a religion-poisoned mind.

January 21, 2013 at 2:43 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Homophobic Orr is at it again. Still promoting his lies, religious ignorance, and theocracy as a divine injunction for death to unbelievers.

Orr gets crazier every day if that's possible. And Jehovah gets smaller and smaller in the world until one day, Jehovah will be riding the same train as Zeus, Ba'al, and Ra into the past.

And Livin4life steps aboard Orr's Crazy Train bound for the Moccasin Bend Rubber Room And Home for Wayward Religious Wackos.

January 21, 2013 at 3:03 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I'll take George Carlin's word on the Ten Commandments over Orr and Livin4life's religious pronouncements anytime.

January 21, 2013 at 3:21 p.m.
moon4kat said...

dayton, thanks for the Carlin link. Pretty good.

January 21, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I was thinking about Orr's great love for the Kremlim and the Russian Orthodox Church as he stated above, and how those two fine organizations (true lovers of liberty as seen in the past) and what those nice god-loving folks want to do.

Here's the news from Fox — the Christian Fanatical News Network, from January 21, 2013. Let's see how those great Russian stongholds of freedom and individual rights wish to treat fellow Russians who are gay, might be gay, or are friends of someone who might be gay.

from FOX News, January 21, 2013

"Denis Volkov, a sociologist with the Levada Center, an independent pollster, says the anti-gay bill fits the "general logic" of a government intent on limiting various rights.

Lawmakers have accused gays of decreasing Russia's already low birth rates and said they should be barred from government jobs, undergo forced medical treatment or be exiled. Orthodox activists criticized U.S. company PepsiCo for using a "gay" rainbow on cartons of its dairy products. An executive with a government-run television network said in a nationally televised talk show that gays should be prohibited from donating blood, sperm and organs for transplants, while after death their hearts should be burned or buried.

When a dozen masked men entered a Moscow night club during a "coming out party" that campaigner Samburov organized in October, he thought they were part of the show. But then one of the masked men yelled, "Have you ordered up a fight? Here you go!" The men overturned tables, smashed dishes and beat, kicked and sprayed mace at the five dozen men and women who had gathered at the gay-friendly Freedays club, Samburov and the club's administration said.

Four club patrons were injured, including a young woman who got broken glass in her eye, police said. Although a police station was nearby, Samburov said, it took police officers half an hour to arrive. The attackers remain unidentified.

On the next day, an Orthodox priest said he regretted that his religious role had not allowed him to participate in the beating. "Until this scum gets off of Russian land, I fully share the views of those who are trying to purge our motherland of it," Rev. Sergiy Rybko was quoted as saying by the Orthodoxy and World online magazine.

In other parts of Russia, gays feel even less secure. Bagaudin Abduljalilov moved to Moscow from Dagestan, a predominantly Muslim region in southern Russia where he says some gays have been beaten and had their hands cut off, sometimes by their own relatives, for bringing shame on their families.

"You don't have any human rights down there," he said. "Anything can be done to you with impunity.""

Might fine people you've picked as leaders and role models, Orr.

January 21, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

So that's what Orr and his fanatical sect of Christian miscreants want. Orr wants America to treat individuals who aren't his brand of Christians, like the Kremlim and the Russian Orthodox Church do.

And so did Adolph Hitler, who killed gays and imprisoned them in concentration camps along with Jehovah's Witnesses and Jews.

Orr — you, Adolph, and Putin make lovely soulmates, and I look forward to your emigration to the Kremlim and the Russian Orthodox Church where you can punch, kick, and kill a homo for Christ.

Your dreams have come true. You will need to furnish your own uniforms though, so get the biggest swastika you can and go goosestep yourself.

January 21, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.

No, No, No, No, 'NO'! You have that wrong. In my compassion i

do not want any individual who has chosen the lifestyle of

homosexuality to be mistreated. Never!

I am only a forgiven individual, they can also be forgiven

individuals. When many islamic countries bury homosexual

individuals up to their necks in dirt and push the dirt over them

with a back hoe, then, i cringe and am very sad. They get

mistreated like this just because they choose the homosexual

lifestyle. Only Jesus Christ can judge homosexual

individuals...He is still God, and, I am still not. I cannot

judge anyone except myself. It is inexcusable for me to judge

anyone. A great American Evangelist said, "If God does not judge

the United States, then He will have to apologize to Sodom and

Gomorrah." I am only saying that i want homosexual individuals to

repent, save their souls, and don't be a part of the reason that

the United States will undergo judgment.

The present Presidential administration is doing a wonderful job.

That is why i do not complain about them. Jesus Christ has always

used high level government leaders to bring judgment on

populations who mock Him and practice rebellious immorality.

President Obama and his administration are being used by Jesus

Christ to punish a shamefully immoral United States of America.

They are doing a wonderful job for our Saviour and are to be

commended for it.


January 21, 2013 at 11:33 p.m.
Easy123 said...

It's hard to believe someone as insane as Ken Orr is allowed out in public. There aren't enough negative words in the English language to describe Ken. If your god was real, it would only be poetic justice if he/she/it struck you deaf, blind and mute. He/She/It has already struck you dumb. You should be locked away, far, far away

January 21, 2013 at 11:51 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Wow... you are one twisted individual Ken.

January 22, 2013 at 7:37 a.m.
jesse said...

ORR, a homosexual no more "CHOOSES" that than you "CHOSE" to be insane!

DID you CHOOSE to be heterosexual??(if you are!)

DID you CHOOSE to be right handed?(If you are!)

January 22, 2013 at 8:42 a.m.

jesse said... "ORR, a homosexual no more "CHOOSES" that than you "CHOSE" to be insane!"

This indeed is an age-old debate. From what i hear and read the

attraction to 'kinky' sex is in the high percentage numbers.

Because of the biophysiology (I copyright that word) multitudes of

individuals have homosexual fantasies. These same individuals

choose to not indulge these due to their moral standing. They

don't want to risk their eternal souls by being in the

'abomination' defined by Jesus Christ. kwo

January 22, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
Easy123 said...


"This indeed is an age-old debate."

There is no debate. Humans do no choose their sexuality.

"biophysiology (I copyright that word)"

No, you don't. You didn't invent that word.

"These same individuals choose to not indulge these due to their moral standing."

They are likely still homosexual. Just because you don't act on your desires doesn't mean you aren't homosexual.

"They don't want to risk their eternal souls by being in the 'abomination' class"

No, they don't want to suffer the shame and ridicule they would receive from members of society.

You're ignorance is palpable.

January 22, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr, words are not copyrightable, you preverted religious zealot.

biophysiology, biophysiology,biophysiology,

Sue me, you dumb, ignorant, bigoted, homophobic, demented excuse for for a man.

As to 'kinky sex," I'm sure you have as much knowledge of that as everything else you profess.

Abomination, thou name is Orr.

January 22, 2013 at 12:14 p.m.

i was only kidding about the 'copyright thingie'. At first though, before i googled it I thought i had coined the word. kwo

January 22, 2013 at 11:25 p.m.
Easy123 said...

You weren't kidding. You were just oblivious/ignorant to the facts.

You cannot copyright words in the TFP comments section anyway. Sorry to burst your delusional bubble.

January 23, 2013 at 12:17 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Only you, Ken, can turn a discussion about gun ownership into something about gays. Get help.

January 23, 2013 at 7:12 a.m.
dao1980 said...

If it's that simple to "just be kidding" about such strong statements... maybe Ken is "just kidding" about absolutely everything he's ever posted..?

January 23, 2013 at 7:21 a.m.
scott6069 said...

As for Mr "easy" and Mr "daytons" "name calling" comments, All I can add is what Our Lord Jesus told his Apostles "They will hate you because they hated me first". My comment is borrowed from a modern day philosopher, Larry The Cable Guy. "You can't cure stupid"

January 23, 2013 at 7:45 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I don't hate Jesus as I don't hate other imaginary creations like Jehovah, the Lorax, Neptune, or Donald Duck.

As for Orr, he's everything I said. A liar, anti-intellectual, potential theocratic dictator, homophobic, and all-around fool.

Through his own writings on this forum he's prove himself to be all of these mental defects rolled into one package. He's the person your parents warned you about.

January 23, 2013 at 8:27 a.m.
Easy123 said...


"You can't cure stupid"

I'm sure you're living proof of that.

January 23, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
scott6069 said...
<p>@easy.I pray for you my brother. We will all have to face Our Lord on bended knee. I choose to do it now in front of a loving God. But you I fear will have to in front of a judging God. There will be no excuses. No do overs. No telling Him "Nobody Told Me". Because at this moment, this hour,this second, I told you. Repent and ask for forgiveness. He will grant it. But mock Him and deny him and your fate will be everlasting punishment and eternal. And eternity is a very long time. God Bless.

January 25, 2013 at 8:39 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

scott6069=Ken Orr?

January 25, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
Easy123 said...


Pardon my French but f#ck you and your imaginary god. For future reference, I'm not your damn brother. May you burn in your imaginary Hell forever and ever! Your imaginary fate will be everlasting! You betrayed Shiva!

January 26, 2013 at 10:51 p.m.
dao1980 said...

Hey scott, have you burned anybody at the stake to save their soul lately?

You should study the inquisition for a little insight into how twisted the human mind can become when poisoned by such self serving filth.

January 28, 2013 at 2:55 p.m.
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