published Tuesday, January 22nd, 2013

Inauguration Day

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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Rebus said...

No Clay, I would say it was BHO that flipped the bird to a center-right country today.

January 22, 2013 at 12:32 a.m.
timbo said...

Your right Bennett, He is the great divider. The worst president in history. I hope the Republicans block everything he wants to do. That is their duty.

They did a terrible job keeping him out of office for a second term. Maybe they can make up for that.

January 22, 2013 at 12:49 a.m.
David_Franks said...

RE "I would say it was BHO that flipped the bird to a center-right country today."

And that country would be-- let me guess: France?

RE "They did a terrible job keeping him out of office for a second term."

Just one of many terrible jobs they've done over the past thirty-two years. I'll bet you have shin splints from stamping your widdle feet.

January 22, 2013 at 12:50 a.m.
wrdrennan said...

The right wingers are out tonight! Where is the center? Some people need to remember who won the election, under the delusion that Boehner is "center".

January 22, 2013 at 1:06 a.m.
Rebus said...

Franks, your post makes no sense

January 22, 2013 at 1:10 a.m.
David_Franks said...

RE "Franks, your post makes no sense"

Would it help you if I used pictures instead of words, as your screen name seems to suggest I do?

January 22, 2013 at 1:25 a.m.
Rebus said...

No, coherent sentences would suffice. Idjit

January 22, 2013 at 2:40 a.m.
David_Franks said...

RE "You misinterpret everything and its so simply [sic]." "Everything?" Quite an extrapolation. According to the author: "'John' because the first crime books I ever got in to were Ernest Tidyman's appalling (but I loved them) Shaft series. (I owned the record before I ever read the books.) And 'Rebus' because a Rebus is a kind of picture puzzle popular at one time in the 'Merry Mac Fun Page' of the ruthlessly parochial Sunday Post newspaper." http://www.twbooks.co.uk/authors/rebus.html

RE "No, coherent sentences would suffice. Idjit"

The author should sue you for sullying his character's name by attaching your dullness to it. Your posts certainly don't reinforce the notion that your screen name has anything to do with a detective.

My sentences are perfectly coherent. France is considered a center-right nation these days, and Mr. Obama likely offended them with his mention of gay rights. My second reply should be perfectly clear to anybody who is not ignorant of history and his own soreness of losing.

January 22, 2013 at 2:58 a.m.
fairmon said...

Fasten your seat belts and hold on, the scream machine will seem tame in comparison. Let's hope this president surrounds himself with competent, capable and committed people to deal with all the issues he will face. The challenge is providing opportunities, a hand up instead of a hand out. There is no ulterior motive, the president is not all those things people accuse such as legally not a citizen etc. etc. The frightening thing is he believes in his expanded government agenda, that a strong controlling central government using the states as pawns is the right thing for the country. We will soon know if it is. The majority may prefer that life, liberty and the pursuit of happiiness become give up more freedom and liberty, insist the government make people happy.

January 22, 2013 at 4:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

It is unfortunate that people credit congress with far more intelligence than they possess. Many in both parties have spent time polishing their political skills while remaining idiots regarding the economy and other critical issues people are facing.

January 22, 2013 at 4:31 a.m.
fairmon said...

Today's financial news head lines. Global Unemployment to Surge Past 2009 Record. World unemployment could top record levels this year and continue rising until 2017, the ILO said on Tuesday in its annual employment report.

Bill Clinton is the lonely voice saying everything congress does should be aimed at increasing middle income job opportunities. It needs to look at those things inhibiting a growing economy and any action taken should improve business expansion and opportunities. He is from the old school that believes people prefer to work and will work if given the opportunity. He thinks all jobs do not have to be high tech and in the service sector. He demonstrated that low unemployment will drive personal income up, McDonald's and others were advertising higher wages and benefits to attract workers during his administration. He reduced welfare and introduced the term workfare.

Bush entered into two unfunded wars and introduced an expansion of medicare to include an under funded prescription plan. Obama continues where Bush left off and has introduced an underfunded AHCA along with other spending initiatives using borrowed money. His legacy may be taking the national debt from 8 trillion to 26 trillion in 8 years. History may not treat him well. He may be known as the beginning of the end of another great dynasty like many in history that rose and fell at around 200 years although he did not personally bring it about.

January 22, 2013 at 5:06 a.m.
MTJohn said...

How many days and counting now, TQ?

January 22, 2013 at 7:15 a.m.
MTJohn said...

Rebus said...No Clay, I would say it was BHO that flipped the bird to a center-right country today.

Rebus - if you had been diligent in doing your detective work, you would have discovered that BHO flipped the bird to the left during his first two years in office. Rather than behaving like the dictator folks like you suggest he is, he reached out in a genuine invitation to partisanship to the right. The right wing spurned than invitation. Unfortunately, the right wing is content to play for an outcome in which the whole country loses if they don't get their selfish ways. And, if you had done a little more detective work, you might have discovered that, unless you are one of the fortunate few, you will also loose if the right wing does get its selfish way.

January 22, 2013 at 7:29 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Civility we can all try. Hope, optimism, and goodwill come with different interpretations: hope for freedom, or hope for a babysitter government? Unity and bipartisanship: what is it that unites us?

If freedom unites us, freedom is freedom to do different things, things other people consider less than the best. We don't need freedom to do what we all agree on. Breathing is good. Forcing healthy people to pay sick people to be sick, we can argue about. Civilly. For states to secede from national defense makes no sense to me, but for people and groups to be free to secede from O'Romneycare and many other government programs strikes me as fully American. Our President let some groups of his cronies secede from O'Romneycare until after the election. (OK, maybe not just his cronies.)

Hope? Postmillenialism is the Bible's doctrine: Jesus said, Teach all the ethnic groups to obey all My orders (Mt 28), and Paul was taking every thought captive to obey the Messiah. Unity? Jesus came the first time to get the millenium started (premil) and its length is indefinite (amil)--thanks Peter Leithart for this point.

January 22, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.
fairmon said...

Are the democrats and republican efforts to destroy each other destroying the country? Would we be better off if there was only one party? We may have the best of all worlds with an impotent president and congress in a constant stalemate may be a blessing in disguise.

January 22, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

Are the democrats and republican efforts to destroy each other destroying the country? Would we be better off if there was only one party? We may have the best of all worlds with an impotent president and congress in a constant stalemate may be a blessing in disguise.

January 22, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
conservative said...

I actually agree with this one!

I never believed a word of Owebama either!

January 22, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
MTJohn said...

fairmon said...Are the democrats and republican efforts to destroy each other destroying the country?

YES

fairmon said...Would we be better off if there was only one party?

NO.

We are heading in that direction and would have arrived there sooner had Romney been elected. I am not interested in having our country governed by the 2% at the expense of the 98%.

fairmon said...We may have the best of all worlds with an impotent president and congress in a constant stalemate may be a blessing in disguise.

Horse hockey!

January 22, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
Maximus said...

Obvious that Obama will ignore our real problems as a country and continue to focus on his view of "Social Justice".

Remember Stonewall? I did not know that there are separate Gay bathrooms and lunch counters. Gays have been around since the beginning of time and they seem to get along just fine. Obama is comparing the so-called "struggle" of American gays to the Black Civil Rights Movement of the 60's? What?

Equal Pay For Women-My boss is a woman and she does a great job??

Climate Change? Make it up as you go.

Government should care for you if you suffer "misfortune" in your life? I guess this justifies the $60 BILLION borrowed Chinese money grab TO REBUILD THE BEACHFRONT HOMES IN NEW JERSEY! WHAT!

I guess when there is no social justice need or crisis Barry has to make it up. The next 4 years will suck hard for those weak enough to believe in Barry.

January 22, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.

Claydoh, you're such the fool.

January 22, 2013 at 8:48 a.m.
jesse said...

YOUR BOSS????

You own the world and you got a BOSS??

January 22, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
Maximus said...

Clay two words of personal hygiene advice for your TFP pic.....teeth whitening.

January 22, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
Maximus said...

Jesse....yes I have a BOSS as all married men do....my lovely wife. My point though is that equal pay for women is another made up, straw man, social justice need that Axelrod and Plouf made up for Barry to continue to garner the female vote for the secular humanist, relative morality marxist (little M punks) Demogoths. Cheers gotta go make some money to pay Barry's taxes so that he can help gays with their civil rights struggle! %$^&

January 22, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
Rebus said...

Inaugurals always magnificent...appears Pres. Obama comfortable with high unemployment and huge deficits..-Jack Welch

January 22, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
Rebus said...

“Progress does not compel us to settle centuries-long debates about the role of government for all time,” he said, “but it does require us to act in our time.” -BHO

Fortunately, his folly is unsustainable. But what of the consequences?-Rebus

January 22, 2013 at 9:12 a.m.
patriot1 said...

How is this different from the 42 other presidents who have held this office?

January 22, 2013 at 9:19 a.m.
hambone said...

Funny as funny can be. Bennett can push the right-wingnut/gunnut's buttons 24/7.

Remember, Paranoia is a mental illness too!

January 22, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
Rebus said...

hambone: Is denial a form of mental illness? The self proclaimed brilliant left is in utter denial about the fiscal state of this country....utter denial. The Organizer's plan is not sustainable. You people need to get your head out of the clouds.

January 22, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
chatt_man said...

Words from David_Franks' first post mentions France. Later post mentions someone should sue somebody. Typical liberal crap...

January 22, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
Rebus said...

Red State Democrats will have hell to pay, running with the Messiah.

January 22, 2013 at 10:05 a.m.
Rebus said...

Woodward to Obama: Sticking Your Finger in Republican Eyes All the Time Won’t Work -Bob Woodward (not exactly a right-wing hack)

January 22, 2013 at 10:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn posted....

fairmon said...Would we be better off if there was only one party?

MTJ said...NO.

mtj sez...We are heading in that direction and would have arrived there sooner had Romney been elected. I am not interested in having our country governed by the 2% at the expense of the 98%.

MTJ..are you saying either party would be like 2% doing the governing or does your reference to Romney suggest that would be the case if republicans were the only surviving party?

fairmon said...We may have the best of all worlds with an impotent president and congress in a constant stalemate may be a blessing in disguise.

MTJ says.....Horse hockey!

You must disagree. What legislation is not being passed that is critical to the well being of the country? How terrible would it be if spending were frozen at current levels?

January 22, 2013 at 10:33 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

Tell us all what a "Demogoth" is. LMFAO!

January 22, 2013 at 10:45 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

http://noisetrade.com/jennygeddesband -- not narrowly relevant, but FWIW: 16 trill and whaddya get...I owe my soul to the Federal Reserve, to tune of "16 tons."

January 22, 2013 at 11:58 a.m.
Rebus said...

Left not remotely interested in debt.

January 22, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
Easy123 said...

"You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter." -Dick Cheney

St. Louis Fed: “As the sole manufacturer of dollars, whose debt is denominated in dollars, the U.S. government can never become insolvent, i.e., unable to pay its bills. In this sense, the government is not dependent on credit markets to remain operational. Moreover, there will always be a market for U.S. government debt at home because the U.S. government has the only means of creating risk-free dollar-denominated assets.”

Then he translates what that means:

"Government can NEVER run out of Dollars; It can NEVER be forced to default; it can NEVER be forced to miss a payment; it is NEVER subject to whims of “bond vigilantes.”

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/04/1139806/--Deficits-don-t-matter-True-or-False-Both

January 22, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
Rebus said...
  1. You're even dumber than I thought, dumbass.
January 22, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebus_Troll,

"You're even dumber than I thought, dumbass."

Prove those statements by L. Randall Wray wrong. Don't worry, I'll wait.

TROLL!

January 22, 2013 at 1:08 p.m.
champ1 said...

You ever heard of the U.S.S.R Easy123? Sheesh! Talk about your revisionist history. The value of our dollars are all perception based...sure we can keep printing, but if the world percieves our paper to be worthless what does it matter? Remember, these are some of the same people that said that our housing values would always rise because they had always risen. They (the fed) ignored the warning signs there as well, and look where that got us.

January 22, 2013 at 1:46 p.m.
chatt_man said...

If the Feds keep printing money, it will continue to drive down the worth of the dollar against other currencies, and then the U.S Government can't pay its bills.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/charleskadlec/2012/02/06/the-federal-reserves-explicit-goal-devalue-the-dollar-33/

For what it's worth... I think the "deficits don't matter" statement is relative to the time.

January 22, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

champ1,

"You ever heard of the U.S.S.R Easy123?"

I've heard of it.

"Talk about your revisionist history."

Talk about moving the goalposts.

"The value of our dollars are all perception based"

Not as far as our debt is concerned.

"sure we can keep printing, but if the world percieves our paper to be worthless what does it matter?"

We aren't paying our national debt to "the world".

January 22, 2013 at 1:50 p.m.
Easy123 said...

chatt_man,

"and then the U.S Government can't pay its bills."

False.

"I think the "deficits don't matter" statement is relative to the time."

Of course. Debts only matter when the other guy is in office.

January 22, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Easy, do you not agree the debt is in another category now, than when that statement was made?

January 22, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
Easy123 said...

chatt_man,

Not really. The dollar is worth more now versus the Euro than it was in December 2007. The value of the dollar strengthens and weakens. The debt will go down and it will go up again. Some will keep acting like it means doom for our country but sometimes that's just the way it works. Debt, unemployment, etc. happens. It's a fluctuating cycle. Everything can't be good all the time. But, like I said, it only seems to be a big problem when the other guy is in office.

January 22, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.
champ1 said...

WHOA WHOA WHOA!...Easy you are so ignorant that I don't even know where to start. So I'll keep this simple..Our dollar trades on the world market (Just like oil and aapl[apple]). The value of 20 shares of Apple stock isn't what it was 6 months ago because the perception is that their running out of fresh ideas. Investors are pulling their monies making "your" 20 shares worth way less than it was at $700 per share. Our dollar works the same way. The only reason we haven't had massive inflation is the global slowdown. The dollar was still the safest haven out there (due to our perceived stability) and as a result continually investable. That will change when things improve. You are going to get some REAL inflation once investors start to develop an appetite for risk. So your "we don't pay our debt to the world" statement is so incredibly ingnorant that it scares me that you're allowed to have an opinion in this country.If I'm paying my bills based on the 20 shares of Apple stock that I owned at $700.00 per share, my ability to continue to pay my bills is seriously hampered once that stock loses perceived value and trades at $500.00 per share (as it does today). Your statement is the equivalent of saying "well we don't bay our bills to Apple". Stupid, stupid, stupid! Man, you liberals are just swimming in ignorance.

January 22, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Great, then what's everyone talking about this for? I appreciate you explaining that to me. All of us have been worrying for nothing. I don't know why it's the topic of all the liberal and conservative shows. All we have to do is wait for the rest of the countries of the world to collapse, and we'll be good.

I didn't realize it was a fluctuating cycle , that just goes up and down. we shouldn't worry, then. OMG

Easy, you must attend URP (University of Reid and Polosi)

January 22, 2013 at 2:13 p.m.
Easy123 said...

champ1,

"Our dollar works the same way."

Kind of. You didn't factor in the demand on Treasury notes, foreign currency reserves or the value of other higher value currencies like the Euro. It's a lot more than "perception".

"The dollar was still the safest haven out there (due to our perceived stability) and as a result continually investable. That will change when things improve. You are going to get some REAL inflation once investors start to develop an appetite for risk"

In other words, it goes up and down and up again and then down. Did I make it easy enough for you?

"So your "we don't pay our debt to the world" statement is so incredibly ingnorant that it scares me that you're allowed to have an opinion in this country."

We aren't paying our national debt to the world. If you consider paying fractions of our debt to foreign investors or China "the world" then you are delusional.

"Your statement is the equivalent of saying "well we don't bay our bills to Apple"."

No, it isn't.

"Stupid, stupid, stupid! Man, you liberals are just swimming in ignorance."

You didn't disprove anything I said and I'm stupid? Are you on meth?

January 22, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
Leaf said...

Hey, look who took Macroeconomics 101! Cute.

January 22, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Hey champ1 - keeping it easy and keeping it easy for EASY are two different things...

January 22, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
chatt_man said...

leaf - it doesn't appear to be Easy took any Economics.

January 22, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
chatt_man said...

So leaf - do you think the debt matters?

January 22, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
Easy123 said...

chatt_man,

"I didn't realize it was a fluctuating cycle , that just goes up and down. we shouldn't worry, then. OMG"

Basically. I guess we could worry but that's what we pay those bums in Washington to do for us.

"Hey champ1 - keeping it easy and keeping it easy for EASY are two different things..."

LMFAO! Pot meet kettle.

"leaf - it doesn't appear to be Easy took any Economics."

You're the one that didn't know the economy fluctuates. I'm going on the information from actual economists. Google L. Randall Wray or Paul Krugman

January 22, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Easy, apparently the economy has been fluctuating for me a lot longer than it has for you...

Fluctuating, and debt disappearing are two different things.

January 22, 2013 at 2:38 p.m.
Easy123 said...

chatt_man,

"Easy, apparently the economy has been fluctuating for me a lot longer than it has for you..."

And?

"Fluctuating, and debt disappearing are two different things."

This speaks to my point. The fact that we have had a national debt for so long only lends to the fact that it means very little to the survival of this country. Would it be better if we had a surplus? Absolutely. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy of people on both sides claiming the debt as anathema.

January 22, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Time will tell..

January 22, 2013 at 2:51 p.m.
champ1 said...

Well as always Easy123 you've said nothing at all in response to my post. Clay, your picture seems to imply that opposition to the presidents approach is somehow un-american. But, what if the president is wrong? Do any of you liberals ever stop and ask yourselves that question? Obama is neither a king or a god. He is fallible just like the rest of us. All of this whining about his opposition shows no regard for the wisdom behind the "checks and balances" system in our democracy. You guys were glad to have it when Bush was in and we are glad to have it today. Just remember, things looked really rosy for the Republicans in 2005. When, not if, but when things turn on your boys...you'll be glad that this system is still in place as well.

January 22, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

chatt_man,

"Time will tell.."

I agree.

January 22, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
Easy123 said...

champ1,

"Well as always Easy123 you've said nothing at all in response to my post."

Are you illiterate or stupid?

"But, what if the president is wrong? Do any of you liberals ever stop and ask yourselves that question?"

What if you/GOP is wrong? Do any of you WingNuts ever top to ask yourselves that question?

"Obama is neither a king or a god. He is fallible just like the rest of us."

No one claimed otherwise.

"All of this whining about his opposition shows no regard for the wisdom behind the "checks and balances" system in our democracy."

The TeaBagger/WingNut obstructionists have made a mockery of the checks and balances system.

"When, not if, but when things turn on your boys...you'll be glad that this system is still in place as well."

It hasn't happened yet and you WingNuts have been spouting those same predictions for 5 years now. Still waiting.

January 22, 2013 at 2:56 p.m.
champ1 said...

No one has done anything to Obama that the Democratic minority didn't do to Bush...what a bunch of babies. As for your debt arguement, the past cannot be compared to the present or the future because we are both starting a new entitlement program AND retiring more workers onto the Social Security roles than ever before. We will literally have more people retired than working! It's a disaster waiting to happen. When you overload a financial system it always collapses (hence my U.S.S.R. analogy). We've seen this before. We don't have to debate it because we watched it happen to the Socialist in the 80's. But, you're a loser with a revolutionary agenda. The facts don't matter...because the end justifies the means. And that's right Easy, you've got nothing...no facts, no understanding, no education, only some socialist rhetoric that you found on Google mixed with a few insults and condescending talk. It's what liars do when they're faced with the truth. People like you where saying that you could give a house to almost anyone because human nature says that they will take care of that house. The fedaral government was backing the loans anyway, so what could go wrong? Now I'm hearing this stupid we can print money until eternity ends and it won't matter. People who oppose it just hate the poor and women and minorities. We'll unfortunately numbers aren't debatable. If I spend more than I'm worth I'll go broke. The same is true for this country. We are only worth so much, and right now we're really pushing the envelope. If people began to get the idea that we are just going to blow any investments made in us they'll take their cash elsewhere. Remember "capitol always flow to where it's treated best." And right now we're treating our capital more like "crap-ital."

January 22, 2013 at 3:18 p.m.
Easy123 said...

champ1,

"No one has done anything to Obama that the Democratic minority didn't do to Bush...what a bunch of babies."

You're exposing agenda.

"We will literally have more people retired than working! It's a disaster waiting to happen."

We weren't even talking about Social Security.

"When you overload a financial system it always collapses (hence my U.S.S.R. analogy)."

Is our system overloaded? Why hasn't it collapsed yet? How many years of debt are we going on now?

"But, you're a loser with a revolutionary agenda."

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

"The facts don't matter...because the end justifies the means."

What facts have I discounted?

"And that's right Easy, you've got nothing...no facts, no understanding, no education, only some socialist rhetoric that you found on Google mixed with a few insults and condescending talk."

You've just described yourself in full; just replace "socialist' with "WingNut". Congratulations.

"People like you where saying that you could give a house to almost anyone because human nature says that they will take care of that house."

What does this have to do with the debt or anything I've said?

"Now I'm hearing this stupid we can print money until eternity ends and it won't matter."

That's not what you're hearing but believe what you want.

"If I spend more than I'm worth I'll go broke. The same is true for this country."

Then why hasn't it happened yet? Why haven't we gone "broke"? When will these doomsday predictions happen? Why wasn't the debt important under Reagan or G. W. Bush?

"We are only worth so much, and right now we're really pushing the envelope."

Based on what information? The dollar is worth more now that when the recession began. The stock market is doing better now than before the recession. What are you basing these doomsday predictions on?

"And right now we're treating our capital more like "crap-ital.""

Yet the investments are still coming in.

January 22, 2013 at 3:31 p.m.
Rebus said...

easypunk: You're right of course. Why worry about the debt? Your president doesn't. No rules, no cares, spend like a drunken sailor. Very progressive.

January 22, 2013 at 3:35 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebitch_Dennis,

Your president didn't either. No rules, two wars, no cares, know nothing, spend like Maximus, let the banks and Wall Street run amok. Very hypocritical, biased, oblivious, non-objective of you.

January 22, 2013 at 3:38 p.m.
MTJohn said...

fairmon - you and I obviously see the world a little differently. One party government would serve the interests of the 2% very well. Grid lock serves the interests of the 2% pretty well, Either option is a formula to screw the 98%

January 22, 2013 at 3:38 p.m.
Rebus said...

Right again, Easypunk. Conservatives need to face facts: voters don't care about fiscal responsibility. It's an electoral loser.

January 22, 2013 at 3:43 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Politics, including Bennett's lame contributions, have been turned into a low-grade reality show with everyone worrying about appearances and delivery, name calling, conflict between opposing teams but the real questions facing us an our direction and the merits of the options do not get the attention they deserve.

I recall an exchange with nucanuck recently where we discovered that we agree on a great many things but we get divided into teams by the two party system and find ourselves acting like adversaries. That, I suppose, is exactly what those two parties need to survive.

January 22, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Jack_Rebitch_Dennis,

I forgot how "moderate" you are. LMFAO!

If fiscal responsibility really mattered, you wouldn't hear about it from the media so much.

January 22, 2013 at 3:47 p.m.
champ1 said...

Our spending trend is very unhealthy, because we're obligated to more debt than we've got incoming revenue to cover it...with no plan to change our behavior. You sound like the patient that ignores his doctors advice against smoking and drinking and bad food with no exercise. "You've been telling me for years I'm gonna kill over one day...when? Why hasn't it happened?" He knows it happens because it happens to everyone that lives that way. The same goes for us and our unhealthy spending habits. Can I give you a date? No. But you've got to be a fool to believe that this means that it won't occur. Easy123 I could give you more numbers to make my point but it wouldn't matter. You're a waste of breath.

January 22, 2013 at 3:58 p.m.
Leaf said...

I think national debt as a percentage of aggregated personal savings matters, yes. I don't know the magic number; I'm not an economist. What I do know is that you can't compare national debt to a person's debt. You can't even understand it on a visceral level without having the math.

I think what we have here is a lot of people with particular axes to grind who use their limited knowledge of economics to try to prove a point. Even a brilliant corporate accountant would be severely out of his depth when discussing the subject of national debt or monetary policy.

Do you know how I know that none of us are experts? Nobody is showing his math.

January 22, 2013 at 4:32 p.m.
Easy123 said...

champ1,

"Our spending trend is very unhealthy, because we're obligated to more debt than we've got incoming revenue to cover it...with no plan to change our behavior."

No one said it was "healthy". I've simply pointed out that it's not as dire as some make it out to be.

"You sound like the patient that ignores his doctors advice against smoking and drinking and bad food with no exercise."

No, I don't. Your analogies aren't pertinent.

"You've been telling me for years I'm gonna kill over one day...when? Why hasn't it happened?"

Going on 100+ years with a debt. When are we going to "die"?

"He knows it happens because it happens to everyone that lives that way. The same goes for us and our unhealthy spending habits."

No, it doesn't. Everyone that smokes and drinks doesn't die young. See how bad your analogy is? Our country hasn't "died" yet and we've had a debt on and off since our country began.

"Can I give you a date? No. But you've got to be a fool to believe that this means that it won't occur."

Still waiting.

"Easy123 I could give you more numbers to make my point but it wouldn't matter. You're a waste of breath."

You haven't given any real numbers yet. You made up some numbers about imaginary stock you had. You have yet to make a valid point. You just talk about what you think will happen and relate the national debt to personal debt. It isn't the same. It's all speculation based on a misguided comparison with the USSR. You are a waste of breath because you have yet to realize that point. You have moved from the USSR to Social Security to terrible analogies. To provide "more" numbers to "make your point", you would have to provide numbers beforehand and make a valid point. You have done neither.

January 22, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Oh, you just can't make this stuff up. I hope this isn't true.

Dare to play the game???

https://www.youtube.com/embed/rrjU-HBkmLE?feature=player_detailpage

January 22, 2013 at 5:02 p.m.
Easy123 said...

chatt_man,

Jesus.

The fact that you would post this video and then say "I hope this isn't true." only makes you look more insane.

A little debunking for you:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/18/1133179/-Hitler-Hitler-Everywhere-I-think-I-need-a-drink

January 22, 2013 at 5:18 p.m.
chatt_man said...

Easy - if I posted a video without that remark, your post would still have the same merit to me. None.

Heil Obama! Oh yeah, and Easy!

January 22, 2013 at 5:37 p.m.
Easy123 said...

chatt_man,

You'd still be delusional. You'll believe anything negative towards Obama, even a false comparison to Hitler.

"Oh, you just can't make this stuff up."

Yes, you can. I provided a link that debunks the majority of the claims in that video.

Heil ignorance! And chatt_man. I guess that would be redundant though. I'm just trying to help you out. You look stupid all by yourself.

January 22, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.
fairmon said...

MTJohn said...

fairmon - you and I obviously see the world a little differently. One party government would serve the interests of the 2% very well. Grid lock serves the interests of the 2% pretty well, Either option is a formula to screw the 98%

MTJ...Don't think for a minute I want a one party government. In fact I would like to see a thrid party option. I don't see how grid lock is detrimental to any group. The only action is when it is so critical they have to do something. What is the current grid lock preventing that is detrimental to any sector? I think where we may disagree more is your view of the government as a sleek well managed machine while I view it as an over stuffed, over staffed, over paid, under worked poorly managed burden.

January 22, 2013 at 6 p.m.
fairmon said...

China doesn't celebrate Christmas but their economy surged in December...keep buying those imports china and other countries need the jobs and inflow of money. Can you believe those greedy Americans that think their leaders should be concerned about them having a good job and paying taxes when they have enough wealthy people to take care of them and pay more taxes so they don't have to work? They should know when our leaders talk about sharing the wealth and opportunity they apparently mean around the world.

January 22, 2013 at 6:59 p.m.
MTJohn said...

fairmon said...I don't see how grid lock is detrimental to any group...What is the current grid lock preventing that is detrimental to any sector?

In the face of grid lock, campaign finance reform is a non-starter. That benefits K Street and ensures that our government will continue to disproportionately serve the wealthy few.

In the face of grid lock, additional health care reform. That ensures that the health industry, not patients, are the primary beneficiary of our system of care.

In the face of grid lock, meaningful tax reform, debt reduction, etc. etc. are all non-starters. The consequences of these non-actions disproportionately affect the 98%

etc.

fairmon said...I think where we may disagree more is your view of the government as a sleek well managed machine while I view it as an over stuffed, over staffed, over paid, under worked poorly managed burden.

Except that I have never suggested that our government is a sleek, well managed machine and I don't think I have ever posted anything to suggest that I would approve actions to improve efficiency and effectiveness.

January 22, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
Easy123 said...

sTUpid,

"New Keynesian economist and Nobel laureate Paul Krugman has stated that the MMT view that deficits never matter as long as you have your own currency is "just not right"."

Right now, deficits don’t matter — a point borne out by all the evidence.

"The key thing to remember is that current conditions — lots of excess capacity in the economy, and a liquidity trap in which short-term government debt carries a roughly zero interest rate — won’t always prevail. As long as those conditions DO prevail, it doesn’t matter how much the Fed increases the monetary base, and it therefore doesn’t matter how much of the deficit is monetized.But this too shall pass, and when it does, things will be very different."

"I could go on, but you get the point: once we’re no longer in a liquidity trap, running large deficits without access to bond markets is a recipe for very high inflation, perhaps even hyperinflation. And no amount of talk about actual financial flows, about who buys what from whom, can make that point disappear: if you’re going to finance deficits by creating monetary base, someone has to be persuaded to hold the additional base."

"At this point I have to say that I DON’T EXPECT THIS TO HAPPEN — America is a very long way from losing access to bond markets, and in any case we’re still in liquidity trap territory and likely to stay there for a while."

http://www.webcitation.org/mainframe.php

This speaks to the point I've been talking about all day. LMFAO!

January 22, 2013 at 7:16 p.m.
Maximus said...

I urge all of you to listen to both of the Great Communicator, President Ronald Reagan's inauguration speeches. Of course instead of making up some sort of bogus social justice government will take care of you crap like Obama did for his second idiotic inauguration speech, President Reagan was able to talk about his first term accomplishments. Again, for those who are soft enough or stupid enough to buy into Barry The Welfare Pimp's trashy socialist message you are in deep do do. As for the self reliant, responsible, God fearing, folks that make things happen throughout this great country, we will continue to ignore the Pimp, enjoy life, and thrive. Comparing Obama to Reagan is like Notre Dame vs. Alabama in football. Reagan would jack slap Barry Da Pimp in EVERY CATEGORY OF PRESIDENTIAL LEADERSHIP. God I miss the Gipper!

January 22, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

"Comparing Obama to Reagan is like Notre Dame vs. Alabama in football."

"God I miss the Gipper!"

George "The Gipper" Gipp played for Notre Dame. Oh, the irony!

January 22, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.
Rebus said...

Easyboy has taken Econ 101-102, then beefed up on Wiki-econ, then read a Pau Krugman column. Now he is the economist of record on here. Don't doubt a man of his experience in the workplace.

January 22, 2013 at 9:31 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Look everyone! The Troll (Rebusnia trollus, see also Jackus dennus) in his natural habitat! Don't startle him, he might soil his adult diaper.

January 22, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
Rebus said...

EasyPunk, you need a mentor. I nominate Jesse to take you under his wing and show you the way and the light.

January 22, 2013 at 9:46 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Rebitch,

You need to get laid. I nominate tu_quoque to rock your world. You've talked about head in the past. I heard she could suck-start a leaf blower. Hell, you don't even have to worry about doing anything with that old body. She'll f#ck you.

But seriously, LMFAO!

January 22, 2013 at 9:52 p.m.
Maximus said...

EAsy you are a smart little biatch...to use a Jayz & Beyonce lyric! Yes the Gipper did play for Rockne's Notre Dame juggernaut a far cry from today's Notre Dame that plays at a Sun Belt level when compared to the SEC. Mississippi State would have beaten the girls catholic schools by two TD's easy. I know right, what does that say about the teams ND beat this year? Blue State college football (Michigan, Ohio State, USC, etc.) really blow! Obama could not carry Reagan's size XXXL jock strap. To explain further Obama is nothing more than a Marxist Puppet Of The Left Pussy. He will accomplish NOTHING in the next four years and the economy will continue to tank. His drones will feel good though and that is of utmost importance....Assault Weapons Ban-Feel Good, Gays, Gays, Gays-Feel Good, Equal Pay For Women When They Already Have Equal Pay-Feel Good, Climate Change-Feel Good..........meanwhile the terrorist threat grows and the jobless rate swells. Do you feel good about that?

January 22, 2013 at 11:30 p.m.

MTJohn said... “Rather than behaving like the dictator folks like you suggest he is, he reached out in a genuine invitation to partisanship to the right. The right wing spurned than invitation.”

What planet were you on in ‘09-‘10? Obama did nothing of the sort. He did everything in his power to exclude congressional Republicans from major policy initiatives, which resulted in their strident opposition to Obamacare and their winning control of the House of Representative by promising to be the party of “No.”

This cartoon points to the difference between Obama and the presidencies of Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan. They knew how to work with a Congress controlled by the opposition party. This will be the test of Obama’s abilities as a leader vs. a demagogue. His record provides little evidence of bi-partisanship. Just empty rhetoric.

January 22, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
Easy123 said...

wwwtw,

"which resulted in their strident opposition to Obamacare"

you mean "their strident opposition of a healthcare plan they created invented"

"They knew how to work with a Congress controlled by the opposition party."

How do you "work" with people that have made it a point to oppose everything you do? Even opposing healthcare reform that they created. Explain how Obama can "work" with the obstructionists.

"His record provides little evidence of bi-partisanship. Just empty rhetoric."

Obama compromised with Republicans on every major issue during his first term. The stimulus, healthcare, fiscal cliff.

The only empty rhetoric is coming from you. What WingNut planet have you been on the last 5 years?

January 22, 2013 at 11:57 p.m.
MTJohn said...

whats_wrong_with_the_world said...What planet were you on in ‘09-‘10? Obama did nothing of the sort. He did everything in his power to exclude congressional Republicans from major policy initiatives, which resulted in their strident opposition to Obamacare and their winning control of the House of Representative by promising to be the party of “No.”

And, what planet were you living on? The day after his inauguration, President Obama met with congressional Republicans and they blew him off. Yes, he passed ACA and the stimulus package with zero Republican votes. But, it wasn't because he didn't try to work with them to develop bi-partisan legislation. They refused to work with him, regardless of what he tried because, in the words of Mitch McConnell, the sole intent of the Republicans was to make Obama a one-term president.

January 23, 2013 at 12:02 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Maximusty,

"EAsy you are a smart little biatch"

And you're a dumb one.

"Blue State college football (Michigan, Ohio State, USC, etc.) really blow!"

Ohio State went undefeated. Notre Dame did too. Alabama lost to a team (TAMU) that lost to a Blue state (Florida). Double whammy! Vandy lost to Northwestern...LMFAO!

"Obama could not carry Reagan's size XXXL jock strap."

You would know. You WingNut's seem to have Reagan's nuts in and around your mouths at all times.

"To explain further Obama is nothing more than a Marxist Puppet Of The Left Pussy."

You're a WingNut marionette South of Vag.

"and the economy will continue to tank."

The economy is actually improving.

"Assault Weapons Ban-Feel Good"

Hasn't happened yet.

"Gays, Gays, Gays-Feel Good"

Equal rights: Is good.

"Equal Pay For Women When They Already Have Equal Pay-Feel Good"

No, they didn't. You are ignorant beyond comprehension.

"Climate Change-Feel Good"

Climate change doesn't feel good. You're far too incompetent to discuss such things anyway.

"meanwhile the terrorist threat grows"

Based on what information?

"and the jobless rate swells."

The unemployment rate has dropped pretty steadily this year.

"Do you feel good about that?"

I do actually.

Bask in your ignorance! Let it wash over you!

January 23, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

They refused to work with him, regardless of what he tried because, in the words of Mitch McConnell, the sole intent of the Republicans was to make Obama a one-term president.

Yeah, that made it kind of obvious, no? Everything else fades in the light of that statement.

January 23, 2013 at 7:56 a.m.

Traditionally, the President shapes his policy agenda and asks members of Congress to introduce, pass, and fund those policies. If your goal is to garner bi-partisan legislative support for your agenda, the usual course of action is to consult with members of both parties to work out your differences before the bill is introduced and submitted for an up or down vote. This is what Obama has refused to do.

McConnell’s words came in late 2010, after nearly two years of the president taking advantage of one-party rule by not consulting with leaders of the minority party. (“Obama lied about this on “60 Minutes.”) The context makes clear that McConnell’s comment was not addressing his party’s legislative goals but its electoral goals (no different from the goal of the losing party in any presidential election). Facts are stubborn things. Obama is a partisan hack. He is anything but a leader.

http://m.weeklystandard.com/articles/he-s-no-pragmatist_644415.html?page=1

January 24, 2013 at 1:11 a.m.

Easy123 said... Obama compromised with Republicans on every major issue during his first term. The stimulus, healthcare, fiscal cliff. MTJohn said... The day after his inauguration, President Obama met with congressional Republicans and they blew him off. Yes, he passed ACA and the stimulus package with zero Republican votes. But, it wasn't because he didn't try to work with them to develop bi-partisan legislation. They refused to work with him, regardless of what he tried because, in the words of Mitch McConnell, the sole intent of the Republicans was to make Obama a one-term president.** [lkeithlu said...something to the same effect.]

The stimulus and fiscal cliff involved measures which were approved in order to avoid catastrophes. Awaiting such dire conditions before he can bring himself to negotiate a compromise does not a leader make. What is your evidence that he cooperated with Republicans on Obamacare? A White House press op? Do you filter anything you read from the talking points?

January 24, 2013 at 1:12 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

How do you square the GOP actions with the fact that the national health care plan, including the individual mandate, came from them originally? The GOP/Tea Party is as much to blame for the impasse. Thankfully, enough of them say enough things publicly to show what they are really about.

January 24, 2013 at 6:48 a.m.
Easy123 said...

wwwtw,

"Do you filter anything you read from the talking points?"

Do you? You literally just refuted your own argument with the points I mentioned about the stimulus and fiscal cliff. Obamacare was a Republican idea. He could just as easily have pursued the more popular, single-payer plan, but he didn't. I would guess Obama might have thought the Republican "individual mandate" would have gotten bipartisan support considering it was a Republican idea in the first place. I would consider proposing a bill that was heavily supported by Republicans in 1993 as "cooperating with Republicans".

It's difficult to talk to something that projects so much and cannot even tell when they have refuted their own argument. If you would like to deal in facts, I'm all for a debate. But you'll never win a debate claiming I'm the one presenting talking points. You're the one rattling them off despite your own knowledge that contradicts those talking points.

January 25, 2013 at 3:18 a.m.
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