published Thursday, January 24th, 2013

Freedom comes with a cost and other letters to the editors

Freedom comes with a cost

Freedom is risky in a world where people sometimes behave badly. The more freedom, the more harm that bad behavior brings. But Americans always err on the side of freedom despite the costs.

We enjoy the freedom to own and drive vehicles and to come and go as we please. But some people drive too fast, some drive while drunk.

Traffic laws reduce the bad behavior, but those laws leave lots of freedom and lots of risk. Nearly 100 people are killed on our nation's roads every day. But we won't give up our vehicles. The carnage is a sobering tradeoff for a freedom we prize.

We enjoy the freedom to own and use guns. We collect them, hunt with them, compete with them and, above all, defend ourselves with them. But some people are careless with guns, some kill themselves, evil people kill others.

Gun laws reduce bad behavior, but those laws rightly leave lots of freedom and lots of risk. Thousands die from guns every year. But we won't give up our guns. Gun deaths are a sobering tradeoff for a freedom we prize.

Freedom comes with a cost. But the loss of freedom is more costly.

PHILIP LANCASTER, Lookout Mountain, Ga.


It's good that Berke seeks feedback

Re: Drew's Views on Andy Berke (Broad Strokes)

Chattanooga is not my hometown, but I do consider it my second home. Seven years ago we decided to leave New Orleans because the wrong person was put back into office. And now today, that bad decision is being played out in our national news.

Since then, we have been very active in making our new home city a better place to live. Over the last three months, I have attended several of Mr. Berke's meetings and events that have left me feeling enthusiastic and inspired. I like his open-minded approach to solving some of the top issues -- asking for feedback, new ideas, and what we can do to make Chattanooga a city that offers more in jobs, education and quality of life.

I don't want someone in office who has or "thinks" he has all of the answers ... I want and need to know that there is room in his political plans for my opinion. If the metaphor is true that it takes a village to raise a child, then how many will it take to renew a city? Mr. Berke cannot do this job alone.

CHERITA ADAMS


Transition largely popular

[A Free Press] editorial about Inauguration Day states "The transfer of power -- or in this case the largely unpopular retention of it -- is almost a non event."

Actually it's largely popular as Obama crushed Romney in both the popular vote and the Electoral College.

Get over it. You lost!

BILL HAYES

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Now hear this for comment # 1.

Why is it that those who steal guns, who then go and kill movie

goers and children in school...Why is it that none of them have

ever been a conservative NRA member?

Just look at this registered Democrat, who just happened to be a moslem. Remember the FORT HOOD MURDERER?

Then, also, you might want to take a look at some other 'famous' murderers who just happened to be REGISTERED DEMOCRATS, and in 'NO WAY' N.R.A. MEMBERS:

Columbine - Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.

Virginia Tech - Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff - Registered Democrat.

Colorado Theater - Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL!

And, and, and, Oh my Lord! Oh yes. What about these Registered Democrat, NON---N.R.A MEMBERS? NON-MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION:

Connecticut School Shooter - Registered Democrat; hated Christians. Unabomber - Registered Democrat and inspired by Al Gore's Book 'Earth in a Balance'.

Timothy McVey - Oklahoma City Bombing raised Democrat and pro-Union.

The Common Thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.

Instead of registering and banning firearms possibly we should IDENTIFY and BAN PROGRESSIVE LIBERAL DEMOCRATS!

(I came by my information honestly-'Fair Use'. kwo

January 24, 2013 at 1:08 a.m.
SICKofBS said...

Orr, you are a blathering idiot spewing ignorant nonsense and have no credibility. You have spewed so much idiocy from your pie hole that there is not one thing anyone with a shred of intelligence would listen to and accept. I just wish I could figure out a way to be able to read these letters but block your ignorant, stupid hate filled crap from trashing up my screen.

January 24, 2013 at 5:23 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

Would could all agree to start flagging every one of his comments.

January 24, 2013 at 6:23 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

AS much as I see Orr for the fundamentalist religious fanatic I detest, he serves a purpose.

By his lunatic religious posts, he drives readers to question their own religious viewpoints, they see the religious right-wingers as they are and want everyone else to be, and the theocratic government that Orr and his kind would have America become.

Orr is the best spokesman for his type of religious nuttery. His anti-science, anti-intellectual, misanthropic and homophobic ideas are anathema to most and let the rest of us know that Orr and his kind are as dangerous, if not more so, to the present and future of America than the Taliban, Al-Qaeda, and any foreign nation.

Clamping down on Orr would only hurt the voices of difference, opposition, and intellectual freethought.

Orr is best viewed in bight light rather than a restricted darkness where he then becomes his own self-styled martyr for stupidity.

January 24, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
Livn4life said...

There is the same old same old, name calling and belittling by those claiming themselves as liberal. What a joke! But then with all that is going on and all the people from both sides of the political spectrum not getting the picture, we should not be surprised at how disrepectful people are these days. Hey hey, that is another offshoot of our prided progressive agenda coming in loud and clear. You good people, keep shining the....well I hesitate to type light...keep shining your whatever and see where it gets us down the road.

January 24, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
Easy123 said...

Livin4life,

"There is the same old same old, name calling and belittling by those claiming themselves as liberal."

Others call it accurate characterization. But keep playing the victim while telling us we're all going to hell to burn for eternity. Why are WingNuts so oblivious and hypocritical?

"What a joke!"

Kind of like you religious beliefs.

"we should not be surprised at how disrepectful people are these days."

Always playing the victim.

"Hey hey, that is another offshoot of our prided progressive agenda coming in loud and clear."

Waxing indignant and trying to make a case for ignorance is part of the regressive agenda.

"You good people, keep shining the....well I hesitate to type light...keep shining your whatever and see where it gets us down the road."

Keep acting like a pretentious, sanctimonious ass and see where that gets you. You're putting yourself in the same insane/ignorant category as Ken Orr. Notice the common factor between you two: Christianity.

January 24, 2013 at 11:05 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

lkeithlu said... "Would could all agree to start flagging every one of his comments."

Dear lkeithlu, Will You please consider the absolute dangers of censorship? This is so selfish and unfair...so wrong for You to write. I forgiv You, but also i am disappointed in someone of Your caliber stating such a thing. Please read the following:

The Evils of Censorship are Important to Understand; Destruction of Free Speech is a Top Priority of any Police State.

The evils of censorship are a direct assault to the civil rights of the citizens of the United States of America as guaranteed by the United States Constitution. Censorship is a way for the government of the United States to suppress a people’s ability to freely express their ideas.

The suppression of the expression of free thought will lead to the actual repression of the thoughts themselves. Censorship sends the wrong message to the public, it makes people feel that it does not make any sense for them to be creative, because their full ideas will not stand a chance of being fully released.

There are many occurrences throughout society that show the extents of the evils of censorship. While various entities encourage censorship in one sense or another, the final determination is always left with the government. There are many reasons for censorship, but none of these reasons are grounds for the action, the determination of what should or should not be viewed, should be left to the individual doing the viewing, or for minors, should be left to the parents to determine.

The use of censorship not only limits the expression of the person being censored, but also limits the free will of the person who chooses to view or not view the particular media being censored.

[From Evils of Censorship - The Evils of Censorship Equals Destruction of Free Speech | Truth-It]

Ken ORR

January 24, 2013 at 3:20 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Of course, Orr is in favor of censorship of gays, atheists, agnostics, progressives, liberals, libertarians, Catholics, and just about everyone else who's not his brand of Christian fanatic. His past posts prove it. The ethics and morals of a chameleon.

January 24, 2013 at 3:25 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

daytonsdarwin, i wish you wouldn't say something like that. I don't want to censor anybody. That's not the right thing to do. i wish you would try to understand me a little better. When you say something like that, then i know you don't understand. Why would you say that? I have goodness and good-will in my heart for every homosexual, atheist, agnostic, progressive, liberal, libertarian, Catholix and everybody. Even the Holy Bible says, "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all would come to repentance." And Jesus said, "My soul takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked." Does Jesus Christ censor free wills? No, He doesn't. I am one in agreement with what the Holy Bible says about Jesus, so therefore I also do not censor lawful expression of free will. daytonsdarwin, i wish you would just try to understand somebody, and then you would feel better.

Ken ORR

January 24, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.
Easy123 said...

Orr,

"I have goodness and good-will in my heart for every homosexual, atheist, agnostic, progressive, liberal, libertarian, Catholix and everybody. "

That statement is demonstrably and verifiably false.

We understand you. There is no misunderstanding. You are immoral, ignorant, sanctimonious, pretentious, dishonest, etc.

January 24, 2013 at 8:29 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Off wrote: "daytonsdarwin, i wish you would just try to understand somebody, and then you would feel better."

I feel fine Orr. I always feel better when scraping dog dung off my boots.

One only needs to go back on this site and look at your posts to read your own lies.

You are the wicked one Orr, who hides behind a religious cloak of piety, who feigns umbrage when caught in his own web of deceit, who seeks to be the vengeful right hand of your god, a con-man who lies about gay jokes, science credentials, copyrights, and back-peddles when exposed as a fraud, which is quite often.

Your a religious charlatan, blinded by a zeal only matched by Inquisitors in Spain and Salem.

There is evil in this world, but not supernatural evil. It's the evil by you and your kind, smiling while torturing those who do not share your religious perversions.

I do understand you Orr, and for the same reason I wouldn't object to Hitler's Mein Kampf being published and discussed, I don't object to your religious voodoo as expressed here.

It's good for people to see what kind of religious kooks would be their masters if America becomes a nation of fundamentalist fanatics, whether Christian or Muslim — both have their stones ready and swords sharpened to kill infidels. And an infidel is anyone who doesn't toe your beliefs.

Keep posting Orr. Keep pleading your case as a well-meaning, simple man concerned about everybody's imaginary soul.

I'll keep exposing you as the deceitful bigot you are.

January 24, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
lkeithlu said...

One of my favorite websites, Panda's Thumb, has a place where they can send posters who post the same drivel over and over in spite of having their mistakes pointed out and corrected. It is a separate thread called the Bathroom Wall. Posters that return time and again disrupting the threads with lies and ignorance and refuse to own up to it are sent there. Perhaps TFP needs a bathroom wall, and Ken can go there to post his repeated insanity. It is not censored because anyone can go there and read it.

Creationist websites ban people all the time, or moderate and delete comments they don't like. I corrected a mistake on one, providing evidence to support, and was banned.

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