published Thursday, July 25th, 2013

The Endorsement

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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alprova said...

It's going to be interesting to see if he will stay in the race and pull it off.

The man has a problem. His wife is smokin' hot, he has new baby, but he spends time exhibiting his junk to strangers.

It takes a damn fine woman to stick by that kind of man.

July 25, 2013 at 12:28 a.m.
alprova said...

Don't judge Anthony Weiner until you've walked a mile with his pants down around your ankles.

Don't worry New York...Weiner's not gonna pull out.

Weiner: "I'll stick it out."

Buy your next box of Kleenex in the Weiner economy value size.

Don't be hard on Weiner.

Weiner's in a pickle.

Weiner's running for Mayor!!! It's his second coming!!

July 25, 2013 at 12:51 a.m.
fairmon said...

Weiner and Spencer....hopefully only in New York but unfortunately it is not the only place where the morally corrupt are elected. Weiner insist on advertising and showing his working tools and the way his wife stays with him indicates he may have something to be proud of that she really likes. Weiner is still in that curious kid stage where he says show me yours and I'll show you mine, is that why he goes for them much younger than he is.

July 25, 2013 at 1:24 a.m.
joneses said...

Wow! Is hell freezing over? Am I witnessing for the first time a liberal holding a liberal accountable for disgusting behavior? Maybe there is hope for liberals after all. I wonder why they gave Bill Clinton a pass when what he did was worst than what Weiner did.

July 25, 2013 at 7:25 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Toony must have missed a memo. Weiner not an R.

July 25, 2013 at 7:34 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses, I have no way of holding the man accountable for what he has done any more than you do. That's totally up to the residents of New York City.

I consider what Anthony Weiner has been doing to be far worse than a man who seeks a little strange in privacy, only because as a public figure, it's as if he has a desire to "share" himself in a manner that is anything but discrete. He's an exhibitionist.

While I don't find that an admirable trait or character in any politician, it's not our call. It will be interesting to see if he stays in the race. He's certainly under enough pressure to pull out, that's for sure.

With the exception of people like yourself, most people view what Bill Clinton did as an act of human weakness, and the fallout a matter between himself and his wife. It's also ancient history. And as bad as you may view the man, he's still as popular as he's ever been with the American people.

While I did not approve of the President's conduct at the time, I, like many Americans, did not see his failure to own up to it as an issue worthy of an impeachment proceeding as a high crime.

July 25, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.
alprova said...

PT, I hope this thread is not going to be filled with another attempt to trash Democrats, for there are many Republicans who have crossed the morality line as well.

July 25, 2013 at 7:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rev Al: The toon is about a Dem. Keep up.

July 25, 2013 at 8:01 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO: BTW, Clinton was NOT impeached for getting an oil change from Lewenski.

July 25, 2013 at 8:03 a.m.

What used to be disgraceful is now simply dismissed as a human frailty, and our institutions, our national self-respect and dignity, and our international credibility crumble without a whimper. Weiner and his (ubiquitous) political ilk reflect the values of their patrons (their donors and the electorate). Live and let die. Just give us our bread and circuses. Heedlessly trusting their promise of good times on the cheap is a act of desperation and fleeting fulfillment, fraught with dysfunction, disease, and decay. Yet the sirens sing on, and the impotent, enchanted masses frolic toward their doom.

July 25, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
degage said...

PT, right! He was impeached for lying.

July 25, 2013 at 8:07 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Exactly, Frau Gage.

July 25, 2013 at 8:14 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

If Huma had been the wife of a Repub, the feminist crowd would be all over her, no?

July 25, 2013 at 8:16 a.m.
conservative said...

WOW!!!

This must be the first toon of Mr. Bennett that I have agreed with. Mr. Weiner is obviously morally bankrupt but that has not stopped past Demoncrats from running for office or even leaving office after a sexual scandal.

You know the man is one cooked Weiner when the hard core left turns on you.

His only hope now is for him to declare that he is bisexual.

July 25, 2013 at 8:49 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Good points, Conservative. If The Weeney would come out as a gay that had entered the country illegally, he would have the left in his back pocket. So to speak.

July 25, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

You don't support Weiner? Why? Seems like he is your perfect candidate.

You should be touting his COURAGE as a perverted American who has come out of the closet and is PROUD to show people his body in its naked, ugly form.

I think the only problem you guys might have with Weiner is that he is not homosexual. It would be okay in that case.

July 25, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.
limric said...

I usually don’t care about politician’s private lives, but this skinny little prick is off his nut. And so is his wife Hummus. Oh sorry - Huma. There’s a picture of the two of them looking VERY seriously at each other. I can only imagine her thoughts: ”I am so going to kick your ass later”!! LOL.

Whatever he did or didn't do, can you really take anyone seriously who uses a fake name like ‘Carlos Danger’? LOL! Ni**a please! If you unscramble the letters in ‘Carlos Danger’ you get ‘Small Dick.’ Not really, but the thought is pretty funny.

He should to be banished to a public restroom (like Clay’s image) to live. Government is embarrassing enough without more Wieners in office. Oh wait! It already is filled with wieners…or is that 'cork soaking sphincter brained suit wearing barbarians'.

Hopefully, Hummus - oh sorry again - I meant Huma, shoved his head in the bowel and flushed it a few times; and if she had ANY self-respect whatsoever she’d be gone and taking ½ of his stuff.

Hmm –then again, she might be doing the same thing. Sort of like a sexting wife swap thingy. What’s her fake name Nikki Peril? LOL. I can’t think of any other reason she would defend this dude.

Ahhh yea; but If Anthony Weiner was a Republican 'weiner' though, this would be a ‘private matter.’ Wouldn’t it!

July 25, 2013 at 9:43 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

No, Limmie. If Weens was an R, HUMA would be vilified. Yes?

July 25, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
limric said...

No.

July 25, 2013 at 10 a.m.
degage said...

PT, yup!

July 25, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.

Only a Democrat would still be considering staying in the race after doing this, and think he could actually win.

July 25, 2013 at 10:05 a.m.
limric said...

Plain Truth & Degage,

What would she vilified for, and how would she be vilified?

July 25, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Lemmie: As a stand by your man lemming. Feminists would be launching harpoons at her blow hole and you know it.

July 25, 2013 at 10:10 a.m.
degage said...

The feminist movement would destroy her for sticking up for her husband but since she is a democrat they are silent. Then she and Hillary are best buds they have to be silent cause Hillary is their Idol,

July 25, 2013 at 10:13 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Hillary running for president Gird your loins, Lads

July 25, 2013 at 10:20 a.m.
limric said...

Can you cite examples of feminists launching harpoons at women’s ‘blow holes’ for sticking up for their husbands?

”Then she and Hillary are best buds they have to be silent cause Hillary is their Idol,” I honestly don’t understand that sentence Degage.

July 25, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.
degage said...

Wow, Limric, Really?

July 25, 2013 at 10:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not just wives per se, but any conservative woman.....Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Genifer Flowers...to name just a few.

July 25, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.
jesse said...

Limric! the reply to your 980 ?? in on the preceding toon site!!

At the time that pix was made i had 12 varmint rifles from .223 thru 25/06 akley!Thats the 223 in the pix!

July 25, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.

What are the chances of a guy named Weiner doing this? How perfect is this.

Where are the feminists when a Democrat is involved? As long as that man supports Abortion, and all the other positions on the list, then he's ok. As far as they're concerned Weiner could flash his weenie all he wants, and Bubba can grope all he wants.

July 25, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Plugs Biden in India. Reportedly asked to be taken to site of Little Big Horn.

July 25, 2013 at 11:09 a.m.
scrimshaw said...

Replace the name Weiner with Vitter,then carry on.

July 25, 2013 at 11:13 a.m.
limric said...

”Not just wives per se, but any conservative woman.....Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Genifer Flowers...to name just a few.”

And how do they back up your assertion?

Jeese,

Yea I saw it. That’s sweet. Ya got me beat in the rifle count dept. I only have seven. From .22 – 7.62x54.

like I said, 980yds. – VERY impressive. When the zombies come, I'll take you on my team. OH, and BRP too.

July 25, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.

The name Vitter doesn't carry the punch Weiner does. If you asked the average public school graduate zombie on the street who Vitter is they'll have no clue, but Weiner will go down in history as the all time weenie.

Many candidates of both parties have been in scandals, but only Democrats get a pass by the media and feminist groups. It seems that if you back abortion it doesn't matter what you do if you're a Democrat.

July 25, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

What IS your reality as opposed to real reality JohnRoss?

July 25, 2013 at 11:53 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Lemmie. Are you saying you've never noticed a difference of treatment by the NOW crowd with respect to conservative women being victims of misogyny? Come on, man.

July 25, 2013 at 12:06 p.m.
jesse said...

EVERY politician who ever sh@t between a pair of sandals is a LOWLIFE or became one shortly after being elected!

We get on here and scream and shout about LIBS and CONS and ya know what? They ALL hatched out of the same nest!

NO MORE INCUMBENTS,If they are in?voteum out!

July 25, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Much truth there, Jesse.

July 25, 2013 at 12:13 p.m.
limric said...

Nope PlainTruth, I just asked a question.

Can you backup your assertion...or not?

July 25, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Man, you righties on here are merciless. Bennett serves up a 'toon skewering a Democrat but that's not enough to satisfy your taste for blood. You still manage to find a way to bash liberals for "getting a pass" from the MSM or for lord only knows what else. But how quickly and conveniently you forget Republicans like Vitter, who didn't skip a beat, didn't miss one day of his political life, for his kinky philanderings (all on government time and on the government dime, BTW) or Desjarlais, who was re-elected despite not only his adultery but his totally hypocritical stance on abortion. I don't think that any party is necessarily more guilty of sexcapades while in office than the other. And Republicans seem to get as much of a "pass" (in some cases, more so, I think) as any Democrats. Maybe some of you are keeping a score card as to which party has chalked up the most sexual indiscretions but I'd say that both parties rank pretty evenly. It's not something that one party is necessarily more guilty of than the next.

As for Weiner being re-elected, that remains to be seen. Personally I think that anybody deserves a second chance in matters of their adulterous affairs, especially if they are truly remorseful; but the fact that Weiner has done this AGAIN, and so soon after his first screw-up, shows that the man really has a problem, one that makes him unsuitable for public office and for even being married. If it means so much to him to show his junk to strange women on the internet he needs to get out of the public light and get divorced so he can be free to enter into whatever kinky exchanges happen to scratch this weird exhibitionist need he seems to have. I was glad to see him re-entering politics and I wished him well, but now I'm just disgusted by this guy's apparent inability to control himself and his total disrespect for his wife and family. I think he needs help. As for his wife continuing to stand by him, I don't get it. One screw-up, I can understand, but to stand by him yet again? No way. Maybe she needs help, too.

July 25, 2013 at 12:40 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Democrats seem to have more problems with harassment, staffers, and unmarried women.

Republicans however have more problems with prostitutes, hypocrisy and underage boys!

You like being associated with hypocritical homo pedophilic pachyderms - don’t you JonRoss.

Ya big Lug.

July 25, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
limric said...

Clay,

That was a nice touch putting in ‘867-5309/Jenny’ by Tommy Two tone

July 25, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
jesse said...

HEY ROO? For the FIRST time since i been on here Clay put up an "OBJECTIVE" toon! SO WE SUPPOSED to give him a pass on all the leftside brain dead crap he done foe as long as he's been on here?

Wiener is scum BUT so is DeJarlis! I hateum all!

July 25, 2013 at 12:53 p.m.
LaughingBoy said...

It takes two to tango, and the other person at the end of the texts, Sydney Leathers, is a former Obama election campaign manager. It's doubtful there will be any rush by liberals to badmouth her.

July 25, 2013 at 12:55 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Nah JonRoss, I got it from your wife. Her name is Lance right?

July 25, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

"Isn't that the White House toilet we are looking at?"

More like an xray of yo haid Jonny boy.

July 25, 2013 at 12:58 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Still catching JonRoss? Or does Lance let you pitch once in a while?

July 25, 2013 at 1 p.m.
jesse said...

LIMRIC! that was a long time ago! I don't own a single firearm any more! My huntin bud died(did you go thru the pix?) and I lost the taste for killin for fun! Sold out all my rifles and took up golf and trout fishin!

STILL enjoy remembering how good i was but them days was long ago and far away!

July 25, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

limric said... "Whatever he did or didn't do, can you really take anyone seriously who uses a fake name like ‘Carlos Danger’? LOL! Nia please! If you unscramble the letters in ‘Carlos Danger’ you get ‘Small Dick.’ Not really, but the thought is pretty funny."

Now, that there was pretty darn funny!

July 25, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
limric said...

Jesse,

OH. No I didn't skim through them until moments ago.

Golf 'n' trout fishing. You'd get along great with my son. He's a fishing maniac and a club swinging animal. I don't golf much, but when I do I don't go with my son. I'm SO BAD it makes him crazy. Especially when I hit a house or a car, or whack 2 or three in a row in the water.

July 25, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
jesse said...

DID you see the outdoor life article? that was the apex of my hog shootin career! whata ya gonna do after somethin like that?

July 25, 2013 at 1:31 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Weimer still thinks he's a hot dog?

Much more inventive cartoon than usual. (Not trying to draw people who mostly look alike). Feel free to run it again with DeJarlais instead of Weiner; such a repeat'd still be above average.

Clinton was impeached for perjury, not adultery, and Congress considered allegations that he had committed rape awhile back.

Back to race, I see New City Fellowship church is doing a conference this weekend, 25-28 July, on multicultural worship. Link to interview with conference leader/CCM/New City chief musician James Ward: http://www.raanetwork.org/2013/07/at-the-center-of-my-life-talking-with-james-ward-on-multicultural-worship-past-present-and-future/#.UfC6H6wUuSo What'll bring diverse people and races together in love is receiving the love of triune Jehovah, under whose aegis :) there's plenty for us all.

July 25, 2013 at 2:41 p.m.
limric said...

Try flying Jesse. Next best thing to ---um ---intimate relations.

July 25, 2013 at 2:55 p.m.
jesse said...

ANDREW, you are just as big a "NUT JOB" as Wiener,Yours just happins to run in a diff.direction!

July 25, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.
limric said...

AndrewLohr,

Interesting conference theme: ‘Multicultural worship.’

Certainly a laudable effort. ”It'll bring diverse people and races together in love is receiving the love of triune Jehovah.” That’s a good thing…until they all go home to their respective enclaves of race and class homogeneity.

Good luck. And I mean that sincerely.

July 25, 2013 at 3:30 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Jesse: You a little hard on Andy.

July 25, 2013 at 3:33 p.m.

That's pretty insulting to compare Andrew to Weiner! Geez.

July 25, 2013 at 4:50 p.m.
fairmon said...

People not liking or supporting Obama need to do what Germany did to him.....don't show up at any gathering where he is going to be.

July 25, 2013 at 5:28 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Wonder if ex-Republican Senator Larry "Wide Stance" Craig wrote that while trolling?

Perhaps Weiner and Geraldo should exchange photographs.

July 25, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Andrew Lohr wrote; "What'll bring diverse people and races together in love is receiving the love of triune Jehovah, under whose aegis . . .blah, blah, blah."

What will bring people together is getting rid of your silly imaginary gods and replacing superstitious Biblical dogma and racism with reason, education, and science.

http://tinyurl.com/lsy7fuq

July 25, 2013 at 6:51 p.m.
rengerry said...

Hey everyone, how did things go for Mark Sanford after his "hike?"

July 25, 2013 at 10:13 p.m.
joneses said...

alpos

Clinton was impeached because he lied to congress not because he got a blow job and used a cigar in a perverted way on monica. I find it very amusing how you and the rest of the liberals justify your hypocrisy.

July 26, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

IRS employee union: We don’t want Obamacare. BWAHAHAHAHAHA

July 26, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
alprova said...

Everyone needs to go back and read what I wrote.

I know full and well why Bill Clinton was impeached. I know he lied under oath. I know he lost his license to practice law because of it. I'm sure he was devastated.

Be that as it may, the core issue he lied about had to do with having sex with another consenting adult, albeit outside of his very public marriage.

It wasn't a high crime, and his reputation has only been hurt with those who practice hypocrisy on a daily basis when they look down their noses at other people because they think they have a lock on morality.

The same haters of Bill Clinton still hate the man. His reputation is still intact with those who liked him before the impeachment proceedings, and he's even gained a few admirers, like myself.

July 26, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Somehow that doesn't surprise me, Rev AL

July 26, 2013 at 10:25 a.m.
conservative said...

" Please help me I'm falling...."

You know it's bad when even ABC starts reporting the truth:

"He's been urged to quit the race by the editorial boards of The New York Times and the Daily News and by some rivals, including Public Advocate Bill de Blasio and former City Councilman Sal Albanese, both Democrats, and billionaire businessman John Catsimatidis, a Republican."

"At least one former New York congressional colleague, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, D-N.Y., also has said Weiner should abandon his campaign and "needs serious psychiatric help."'

"On Thursday, House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi called Weiner's behavior "reprehensible" and "disrespectful of women." But she said it was up to him to decide whether he should leave the mayor's race."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/weiner-rejects-calls-drop-nyc-mayoral-bid-19762650

July 26, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
joneses said...

It is amazing how liberals can justify hypocrisy. That is proof of liberalism being a mental illness.

July 26, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
jesse said...

ER Al, I think perjury is a high crime!

BUT If you got the economy going like gangbusters? ?Then ya get a pass!!

July 26, 2013 at 3:52 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

joneses: Liberals can justify anything. Case in point: Rev ALPO converting to a Bill Clinton admirer. Never mind the man was a philandering, misogynistic, fornicator in the 80's and 90's. But if you convert to liberalism, you can make it all go away. Or at the least unimportant. And I don't recall the NOW crowd ever bustin Clinton's chops for any of his female disrespecting. Do you?

July 26, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.
tbs1015 said...

funny thing is, what DesJarlais did is just as bad, and some Republicans still stuck by him!

July 26, 2013 at 4:21 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Too bad about DesJarlais. He's a goob.

July 26, 2013 at 4:29 p.m.
chet123 said...

I SEE THAT WHEN CHET123 IS AWAY THE RATS WILL PLAY.....LOOK LIKE THE TEA-PARTY/GOP/REPUBLICAN ARE HAVING A BALL ON WEINER HA HA HA..

I WILL NOT PROTECT WEINER AS THE CONSERVATIVE PROTECTED THAT WIMPY SANFORD OF SOUTH CAROLINA...HA HA HA HA HA

I WILL JUST LET THESE CARTOON BOZOS THROW STONES FROM THEIR GLASS HOUSE...HA HA HA HA HA...HAVE FUN "BOYS"..HA HA HA HA!

July 26, 2013 at 5:21 p.m.
chet123 said...

I SEE REV.JONESES LEADING THE CHARGE.....AMEN BROTHER...JONES REALLY KNOW ABOUT HYPOCRISY....HE WILL BE SITTING IN HIS SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH THIS SUNDAY SINGING FROM HIS RED HYNM BOOK ....OH HOW I LOVE JESUS...OH HOW I LOVE JESUS.....HA HA HA HA HA HA....JONES ONE THING YOU ARE AN EXPERT ON IS HYPOCRISY..HA HA HA HA HA HAH HA HA HA HA HA HA

July 26, 2013 at 5:25 p.m.
chet123 said...

THE REPUBLICANS ARE THE KING OF INFIDELITY.....THE KING....THINK I WOULDNT REMIND YOU OF PAPPY GEORGE H.BUSH FLING THAT HE HAD....DEMOCRAT DIDNT EXPOSED THE OLD GEEZER...OR THE RAPIST REPUBLICAN SENATOR STROM THURMAN...HE RAPED A TEEN-AGE BLACK WOMAN AND HAD A BABY BY HER......AND HAD THE NERVE TO PUSH FOR JIM CROW(THE LIBERAL PRESS WAS SILENCE ABOUT IT)HA HA HA...WELL SO MUCH FOR THR LIBERAL PRESS HA HA HA...OR EISIHOER MISTRESS.....DO YOU WANT TO KEEP GOING HA HA HA HA HA

REPUBLICANS ARE KING OF INFELDELITY....THEY ALWAY SAY GOD HAVE FORGIVEN THEM...HA HA HA HA HA...THEY BEHIND GOD HA HA HA HA HA

July 26, 2013 at 5:36 p.m.
chet123 said...

HEY TEA-PARTY/GOP/REPUBLICAN...YOU HAVE A LONG RECORD....I WOULD SHUT-UP IF I WERE YOU.....I DONT PLAY SOFT BALL...I WILL UNLEASE EVERY THE NAME OF EVERY REPUBLICAN POLITICIAN AS HUSTLE-MAGAZINE DID ON YOU WHEN YOU WAS TRYING TO IMPEACH BILL CLINTON..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA...YOU WERE DROPPING OFF LIKE FLIES...HA HA HA HA

YOU LOST ABOUT 3 SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE HA HA HA HA!

July 26, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
tifosi said...

Damn... someone is on a roll.

Ahhh... what the hell. Go for it Chet123... unleash the hounds. :)

July 26, 2013 at 6:53 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse wrote: "ER Al, I think perjury is a high crime!"

According to the founding fathers, you would be incorrect.

If you do a little reading on the subject, the FF's used the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" to describe one of the grounds for impeaching officials.

Officials charged with "high crimes and misdemeanors" were those accused of offenses such as misappropriating government funds, appointing unfit subordinates, not prosecuting cases, not spending money allocated by Government, promoting themselves ahead of more deserving candidates, threatening a grand jury, disobeying an order from Congress, arresting a man to keep him from running for elected office, the granting of warrants without cause, and bribery.

Some of the above charges are crimes. Others are not. The one common denominator in all these accusations was that the official will have somehow abused the power of his office and was unfit to serve.

I again state that the reason Bill Clinton was not removed from office was due to the fact that he was indeed fit to serve and because there was no finding that his offense of lying under oath, albeit a Federal crime, it was not considered to be a high crime.

"BUT If you got the economy going like gangbusters? ?Then ya get a pass!!"

He will always remain an impeached President, but he was found found not guilty of any crime worthy his removal from office.

July 26, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Liberals can justify anything. Case in point: Rev ALPO converting to a Bill Clinton admirer. Never mind the man was a philandering, misogynistic, fornicator in the 80's and 90's."

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

"And I don't recall the NOW crowd ever bustin Clinton's chops for any of his female disrespecting."

Since when is it disrespectful to women in general, simply for entering into a consenting relationship with one? Monica was very willing. She was hardly a victim in what happened.

The only person who should have any issue with what the man did, was his wife. She apparently has put it in her rear-view mirror, so I fail to see why it is anyone else's business at all.

But don't let me stand in your way of pretending to be holier than thou.

July 26, 2013 at 7:11 p.m.
alprova said...

San Diego Mayor Bob Filner is a shining example of a man who deserves to be branded as a man who disrespects women. He has clearly guilty of outright acts of blatant sexual harassment.

He needs to step down or be removed from office, but as I understand it, it would be prohibitively too expensive to hold a recall vote to force his removal, so he's sticking with it.

That is a shame and disgrace.

July 26, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
alprova said...

tbs1015 wrote: "funny thing is, what DesJarlais did is just as bad, and some Republicans still stuck by him!"

Back when Scott Dejarlais was the subject of attention, most of the Republican cheerleaders were silent, but a few comments were offered. Here's a few of those comments;

AndrewLohr: "...the job of a representative is to VOTE and Mr DeJarlais would probably vote less badly than a Democrat."

Timbo wrote: "He will be reelected anyway. No matter how he acted in 2000 he will vote PRO-LIFE."

Patriot1 wrote: "The actions of Dr. DesJarlais is obviously wrong and should not have happened. However just knowing his opponent would be voting for Nancy Pelosi for speaker is enough for me to hold my nose and vote for him."

sjs823 wrote: "I live in the 4th District. I don't care if Scott DesJarlais is a hypocrite. There is one thing he is not. He is NOT a Democrat."

tu_quoque wrote: "If any of you have proof that Congressman DesJarlais did any of these things now is the time to present them. Otherwise this whole story will have to be considered B.S. hearsay on your part."

July 26, 2013 at 7:55 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not holier than anyone, Alpo. Just know a scumbag when I see one. If you're ok with that type in the WH, fine.

July 26, 2013 at 8:17 p.m.
degage said...

Al, Monica was an impressionable 20 year old and Clinton was a 50 year old using her youth to get what he was always looking for. Consenting adult, yes, hardly a worldly woman. She was a young girl getting attention from the president.

July 26, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Mrs Gage: Alpo is blinded by his intractable partisanship.

July 26, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Not holier than anyone, Alpo. Just know a scumbag when I see one. If you're ok with that type in the WH, fine."

I'm not "okay" with what happened, but I realize that Bill Clinton, like every other man who has graced the Oval Office, is just a man. He is just as human as you and I are.

That being the case, I do not hold any President to any increased standard that I would not hold any other human being to. We are all human, we all make mistakes, and we all sin.

Rumors of affairs by other Presidents have been shelved as mere rumors. Bill Clinton's affair was exposed to the nation, mainly for political reasons. When questioned about it, under oath, he lied. Who wouldn't, under the circumstances?

How many men who have had extramarital affairs, who were not under any federal oath, and not the President of the United States, attempted to lie about such affairs? I have little doubt that the vast majority would deny it without any hesitation whatsoever.

Was it a sordid and distasteful occurrence that harmed the institution of the Presidency? Of course there are people who believe so. Most people found the Republican outrage and prosecution / persecution to be hilarious.

Was what he did in lying in response to a direct accusation that was never the nation's business, a 'high crime'? Most people back then said "no," and the majority still say "no."

Regardless of how one feels, Bill Clinton will forever remain one of this nation's popular Presidents of the 20th century.

July 26, 2013 at 8:38 p.m.
fairmon said...

Wieners wife worked for Hilary and is still getting paid by the state department over $130,000 per year. She is an independent consultant receiving no less than $350,000 a year doing who knows what, she won't reveal details. She is not the "poor little wife" being mistreated the press portrays....She stays because she wants to for a reason we may never know. Surely there is a candidate for people to vote for over that two faced liar. How and why would people believe anything the squirrelly little weasel said?

July 26, 2013 at 8:48 p.m.
tifosi said...

This is not compassion. This is not Christian.

"Yet, while Ohio has nothing to gain from refusing to comply with the judges’ order, Arthur and Obergefell have a tremendous amount to lose. Thanks to DeWine’s appeal, Arthur will spend his last days unsure whether he and his husband can someday lie together in his family burial plot. The two men’s final moments will be poisoned by uncertainty over their lawsuit. And Obergefell will likely be forced to spend his first weeks as a widower caught up in discussions with his lawyers about the litigation itself. The couple also could lose their case. Most of the judges on the appeals court that will hear their case are Republicans."

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2013/07/25/2354941/ohio-plans-unspeakably-cruel-appeal-of-dying-mans-last-wish/?mobile=nc

July 26, 2013 at 8:53 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, Monica was an impressionable 20 year old and Clinton was a 50 year old using her youth to get what he was always looking for."

I know that is the popular conservative narrative used to describe what happened, but Monica has dispelled that many times over the years, in her own words. She admits to being the initiator in what happened.

Excerpts from the March 3, 1999 interview she gave Barbara Walters;

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/030499barbara-monica.html

"Consenting adult, yes, hardly a worldly woman. She was a young girl getting attention from the president."

Worldly or not, she knew what she was doing, and she would have been content with the American people and Hillary never knowing what happened.

But that's all history now.

July 26, 2013 at 9:05 p.m.
fairmon said...

The consistency in all these sexcapades is the lie when caught. One of the worst in my opinion, John Edwards. Jesse Jackson had his fling but never a serious contender for office. I do wonder what he does to gain his wealth other than prey on minorities. It is probably just as well we don't know about all the immoral and corrupt things going on around D.C. The consequences are not deterrents since Americans are tolerant and have short memories.

July 27, 2013 at 12:45 a.m.

Calling out public officials for their disgraceful behavior hardly constitutes a claim to be holier than thou. It used to be called responsible adulthood. The unthinking buffoons who excuse it as a forgettable peccadillo show that they care nothing for the institutions or the moral standards necessary for the preservation of liberty.

July 27, 2013 at 1:02 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

jesse wrote: "ER Al, I think perjury is a high crime!"

According to the founding fathers, you would be incorrect.

If you do a little reading on the subject, the FF's used the term "high crimes and misdemeanors" to describe one of the grounds for impeaching officials.


Well the FF’s produced some mighty fine writings but the law on this is well defined in:

From Wiki:

Nixon v. United States, 506 U.S. 224 a United States Supreme Court decision that determined that the question of whether the Senate had properly tried an impeachment was a political question, and could not be resolved in the Courts.

In this case, a United States federal judge named Walter Nixon was convicted of committing perjury before a grand jury, but refused to resign from office even after he had been incarcerated. Nixon was subsequently impeached by the United States House of Representatives, and the matter was referred to the United States Senate for a vote on Nixon's removal. The Senate appointed a committee to hear the evidence against Nixon, and then report to the body as a whole. The Senate then heard the report of the committee and voted to remove Nixon from office. Nixon contended that this did not meet the constitutional requirement of Article I that the case be "tried by the Senate."

The court essentially ruled that any criteria that officials are charged under and any method that Congress uses to clear or convict them is strictly their concern and not the courts. Thus anything that you can get enought Congress members to agree to as far as charges and procedure is proper and legal.

As Gerald Ford was reported to have stated - "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history."

BTW - Very apropos that the referenced case was about perjury ... Don’t you think so?

July 27, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

It takes a damn fine woman to stick by that kind of man.

You mean with the words “WELCOME” embossed on her forehead?

July 27, 2013 at 7:54 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone.

I hardly think that is an operable command of which I know no one who adheres to. There is no secular legal system, I know of, that requires it’s judges and juries to be absolutely pure of nature.

Since when is it disrespectful to women in general, simply for entering into a consenting relationship with one? Monica was very willing. She was hardly a victim in what happened.

The only person who should have any issue with what the man did, was his wife. She apparently has put it in her rear-view mirror, so I fail to see why it is anyone else's business at all.

But don't let me stand in your way of pretending to be holier than thou.

That oddly sounds like what Scott DesJarlais was involved in ... you know a consenting adult relationship. Do you think that associations and organizations prohibited their members from engaging in such relationships,with their clientele, for moral or ethical reasons?

No they did so for purely economic reasons. At one time almost all professionals were men at least half their business was comprised women and girls. A man wouldn’t feel secure in allowing his wife or daughter to visit one unless he had some form of assurance that they would be a degree of security against such sexual encounters.

BTW ... You do know that the left-wing feminist viewpoint is that in a superior on subordinate relationship that the person (woman?) in the latter is not in any position to give consent?

July 27, 2013 at 7:58 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

WWWTW said...and it's worth repeating, "Calling out public officials for their disgraceful behavior hardly constitutes a claim to be holier than thou. It used to be called responsible adulthood. The unthinking buffoons who excuse it as a forgettable peccadillo show that they care nothing for the institutions or the moral standards necessary for the preservation of liberty."

^^^ especially for you, ALPO

July 27, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
alprova said...

If the same standards were applied to calling out public officials by the Republican cheerleaders when Republicans are clearly guilty of violating moral standards as they clearly are when the official is a Democrat, then I might see some point being made.

Jack, you were the only one to repeatedly denounce Scott Dejarlais when he was under the microscope for a few days last November.

Anthony Weiner did what he did with absolutely no attempt to be discreet, and his behavior was/is not only the actions of a man whose sexual fantasies have obviously not advanced mentally from that of an immature adolescent, in my opinion, he has not demonstrated very much shame for it.

I'm not interested in changing anyone's mind about Bill Clinton, but what any of you believe is of no consequence. The man was not tarnished for life in the minds of most people.

The bottom line about any calling out of others, even public figures, is that none of us are perfect beings, we all have skeletons in our closets, and if the truth were known, those who holler the loudest, are indeed being holier than thou.

Not one of you people claiming moral superiority are without sin.

That is an absolute fact.

July 27, 2013 at 9:53 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

and the thing is, alpo, no one here is being holier than thou. that's in your warped mind, sir.

July 27, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Book deal: How to Find Political Success by Being Humiliated by Your Husband. With foreword by Hillary Clinton. -Ann

July 27, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Do not savvy that, Tiffany.

July 27, 2013 at 1:36 p.m.
jesse said...

I've noticed that these BROAD minded LIB's that are all for gay marriage and such are prone to accuse you of being gay if you disagree w/them! Case in point! tifosi's post to P.T.

July 27, 2013 at 2:05 p.m.
tifosi said...

Kind of sensitive jesse about the gay thing? Nothing wrong with being gay. It's okay for you to come out now.

July 27, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tiffany: I suspicion that if Jesse was gay, he would have said so long ago. You?

July 27, 2013 at 3:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

Those aspiring or agreeing to accept a high profile public or private position should know going in to expect to be and should be held to a higher standard than the every day John or Jane Doe. Those anxious to forgive and forget their violation of trust must have a lot of failures and violations of their own that are in their mind somehow justified or less important since someone in a high profile position did something similar to their misbehavior.

A multi-million dollar a year professional athlete that is caught using illegal drugs or involved in other illegal activity should be barred from the game for life and the contract voided from that day forward. An elected official that lies under oath, cheats, steals, accepts bribes or is involved in illegal activities should be removed from office immediately and barred for life from holding any public office by election or appointment. It is called accountability and consequences which are deterrents and certainly removes poor role models.

Judgment of morals such as wiener's and many others from both parties are up to voters who obviously can be fooled with a few tears and promises.

July 27, 2013 at 3:14 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Someone "came out" on here recently. Forgot who. That's how interested I am in anyone's gaydom.

July 27, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
tifosi said...

PT- You never know. :) Whatcha doin' tonite?

July 27, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Already have a date

July 27, 2013 at 3:31 p.m.

… And the moral dunces and cowards shrug and whimper, “Meh. Nobody’s perfect.”

It’s the moral sewage spewed by Hollywood/Washington “progressives” that earns America its scorn in the community of nations. Former Democrat Senator Daniel Moynahan was the last of his tribe with the backbone to call it like it is: defining deviancy down.

July 27, 2013 at 8:12 p.m.
degage said...

Hey Bennett, Only 123 comments in 3 days ? you are losing your touch or your following.

July 27, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.
facyspacy said...

Obama is coming to Chattanooga! I'm about as excited as Sandusky comi g to my scout meeting. I wonder if Obama will go down tothe court house and weigh in on some court cases.... Since his opinion matters

July 27, 2013 at 9:06 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Obama rally to be held in tent at Warner Park.

July 27, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Those aspiring or agreeing to accept a high profile public or private position should know going in to expect to be and should be held to a higher standard than the every day John or Jane Doe."

Why not face the fact that no matter their aspirations in life, they are just as human as the rest of us, and prone to doing their form of the nasty behind closed doors as well?

They are human beings...not Gods.

"Those anxious to forgive and forget their violation of trust must have a lot of failures and violations of their own that are in their mind somehow justified or less important since someone in a high profile position did something similar to their misbehavior."

How long did you have to think to come up with that brilliant retort?

Monica and Bill's tryst was outed by a political opponent. The American people were dragged into it because it was salacious and dirty...and quite entertaining.

Tell me Sir...have you ever done anything in your entire life that you would be ashamed for people to know? Of course you have. Everyone has.

"A multi-million dollar a year professional athlete that is caught using illegal drugs or involved in other illegal activity should be barred from the game for life and the contract voided from that day forward."

Isn't that what happens most of the time?

"An elected official that lies under oath, cheats, steals, accepts bribes or is involved in illegal activities should be removed from office immediately and barred for life from holding any public office by election or appointment."

That is your opinion to hold, no question, but the law is a bit more lax when it comes to removing politicians from office, and more importantly, Presidents.

The House gets to decide what offenses are worthy of an impeachment trial. The Senate gets to try a President and has the sole power to convict with a two-thirds vote for conviction or they must acquit.

It's never as simple as removing a President because the House of Representatives believes a President to be guilty of a "high crime or misdemeanor."

"It is called accountability and consequences which are deterrents and certainly removes poor role models."

Presidents are people. People are imperfect. Imperfect people sometimes screw up.

"Judgment of morals such as wiener's and many others from both parties are up to voters who obviously can be fooled with a few tears and promises."

That's the way the world works. Bill Clinton inserted a cigar where the sun is not supposed to shine and he is as popular as he ever was. Most people understand that what he did is quite human.

Look at Dick Cheney. That man hasn't likely had a sexual thought in years, and he's probably the second most hated man in America.

Voters respond to politicians who are demonstrate that they are human with all the frailties that comes with being human.

July 27, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
alprova said...

WWWTW wrote: "It’s the moral sewage spewed by Hollywood/Washington “progressives” that earns America its scorn in the community of nations."

I thought you conservatives were forever making the case that the rest of the world was Socialists, Marxists, and stood for everything that the United States did not.

Conservative agendas have led this nation to be scorned by the rest of the world, for such programs as "bomb, baby, bomb," and for vocalizing such nonsense as "our religion is more peaceful than yours," not to mention attempting to introduce poor nations to corporate capitalism.

"Former Democrat Senator Daniel Moynahan was the last of his tribe with the backbone to call it like it is: defining deviancy down."

Isn't he the politician who wrote the single largest check in the history of banking, $2,046,700,000, from the United States Government to India's Prime Minister, Indira Ghandi?

July 27, 2013 at 9:54 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said..

Voters respond to politicians who are demonstrate that they are human with all the frailties that comes with being human.

In your opinion of course. Actually far too many voters respond to those promising more whether delivered or not. Your statement sounds like it is good political strategy to screw up and then plead I am only human.

alprova ask about the statement..."Those anxious to forgive and forget their violation of trust must have a lot of failures and violations of their own that are in their mind somehow justified or less important since someone in a high profile position did something similar to their misbehavior."

How long did you have to think to come up with that brilliant retort?

It is common knowledge that people often justify or minimize their bad behavior by pointing at someone else and saying they did it also or they did something worse...two wrongs still doesn't equal right.

Do you agree that Benghazi, guns to Mexican drug cartels, IRS targeting conservative and religious groups, judge shopping to enable wire tapping of a news journalist, monitoring of millions of peoples phone activity are all phony scandals as they are labeled by the president? What can you expect from someone whose only meaningful experience was as a community organizer whose rhetoric was to incite a segment of society to oppose something or demand something from others.

July 27, 2013 at 10:41 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Do you agree that Benghazi, guns to Mexican drug cartels, IRS targeting conservative and religious groups, judge shopping to enable wire tapping of a news journalist, monitoring of millions of peoples phone activity are all phony scandals as they are labeled by the president?"

That is a loaded question. As they pertain to any and all attempts to pin them to the President, YES...they are phony.

"What can you expect from someone whose only meaningful experience was as a community organizer whose rhetoric was to incite a segment of society to oppose something or demand something from others."

I have no response to that statement. It's strictly opinion based and contains no facts whatsoever.

July 27, 2013 at 10:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Actually far too many voters respond to those promising more whether delivered or not. Your statement sounds like it is good political strategy to screw up and then plead I am only human."

It's worked before. It will work in the future.

July 27, 2013 at 10:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "It is common knowledge that people often justify or minimize their bad behavior by pointing at someone else and saying they did it also or they did something worse...two wrongs still doesn't equal right."

Be that as it may, everyone has differing opinions as to what may constitute right or wrong, serious or trivial, criminal or ridiculous unfounded accusations.

July 27, 2013 at 11:01 p.m.

alprova said...

"I thought you conservatives were forever making the case that the rest of the world was Socialists, Marxists, and stood for everything that the United States did not. Conservative agendas have led this nation to be scorned by the rest of the world, for such programs as "bomb, baby, bomb," and for vocalizing such nonsense as "our religion is more peaceful than yours," not to mention attempting to introduce poor nations to corporate capitalism."

You thought this only because you’re not listening to anyone other than MSNBC. Name a conservative who argues that the rest of the world is socialist or Marxist. Another empty platitude with absolutely no basis in fact – so very typical for al-disproven. Any popularity of Socialism/Marxism is reserve of Western Europe, coastal North America, and the leadership of North Korea. Even Communist China has largely abandoned the fairytale that state control yields healthy economies.

The ignorance reflected in your comment about religion reflects the sort of Western, faith-illiterate secular arrogance resented by people of ALL religions – both here and abroad.

"Isn't [Daniel Moynahan] the politician who wrote the single largest check in the history of banking, $2,046,700,000, from the United States Government to India's Prime Minister, Indira Ghandi?"

Your point? It’s relevance to his assessment of our society’s moral cowardice?

July 28, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
chet123 said...

HA HA HA!!....NO NEED FOR ME HERE.....LOOK LIKE AL HOLDING DOWN THE FORT! HA HA HA!

POORRRRRRRRR HATERS..HA HA HA HA HA HA!

August 1, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
chet123 said...

KICK BUTTS AL!!!!!!!

August 1, 2013 at 9:33 a.m.
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