published Monday, July 29th, 2013

United states should be in a better place and other letters to the editors

United states should be in a better place

It is a disgusting disgrace to think of what the United States of America could and should be except for the vile greed of a few absurdly wealthy people. I will use the Koch brothers as examples to represent those people, some corporations, Wall Street banks, hedge fund managers, etc. By buying off politicians, most all of the Republicans, they are “legally” robbing the rest of us of our health and wealth. They have their own think tanks, TV network, some newspapers, and a bunch of highly paid radio talking heads to blast their hateful propaganda into the minds of those who never seek the truth, or those who hold some misguided hatred of others.

We should already have a cure for cancer, Alzheimer’s and other illnesses. Private industry is necessarily for profit and will never attempt to research these cures. We should have absolutely guaranteed clean pure air to breathe and water to drink! We should have the very best infrastructure of roadways and bridges. Federal government money is necessary! The billionaire Koch brothers financed the tea party. Republicans would destroy unions and eliminate regulations, doing the bidding of the Koch brothers, to the detriment of the rest of us!

WALTER BENTON, Signal Mountain


Self-preservation comes across as racist

I do not think the George Zimmerman case was about race. It was about a perceived threat that never occurred but still was perceived in that way. As humans we can perceive thoughts in others and then take them as the truth when, in fact, it wasn’t that way at all.

While listening to the president’s speech about this subject, he mentioned a few things that happened to him as a young man. In reference to the lady in the elevator reacting as she did when he entered, it wasn’t because he was black but because he was a male. She was in a confined space with a man she didn’t know and she could hardly wait to get out of that situation. I know just how she felt. The car doors locking when he walked down the street was not because he was black but because he was a male. This was perceived as self-preservation because they did not know him.

Having grown up in Detroit and actually being there during the riots when my husband had to go to work every day on the very roads where crimes were being committed, I can tell you it was not black men or white men that I was afraid of — it was the mob mentality of all men.

Didn’t someone say a few years ago, “Can’t we all just love one another?”

TAMARA KLEMM


God is the creator of all things

Many marvel at the universe and realize there is a creator. “In the beginning God made the heavens and the earth.” The soul is separate from the body. “Then the Lord God formed the man and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living creature.” If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.

Have you ever observed a person before and after they have repented for the forgiveness of sins? The person becomes “a new creature in Christ, the old has passed away, behold all things become new.”

Evolution does not explain life’s diversity. There is no evidence in the fossil record; no observable evidence recorded anywhere. You refute a creator for unanswered questions and accept a theory that has never been proven. “For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For His invisible attributes, namely, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.” NORMA WALLACE, Ooltewah

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ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Oh Yes! NORMA WALLACE! You are indeed correct. Let us take just one example that You presented:

Evolution. The Father of Racism, Charles Darwin, gave this theory to the Anti-Christs. 'Survival of the fittest' would not allow mutations which oppose the 'survival of the fittest'! Let us take HIV/AIDS as an Proof-example. Let us take a look at say, Washington DC and the predominance of Democratic Party Liberals who agree with the Anti-Christs who agree with Charles Darwin (The Father of Prejudice and Racism). Ah Yes! Democratic Liberals in Washington, DC have foolishly played Chess with Jesus Christ...and they have woefully lost! Many supporters of the Obama administration have learned through

horrible consequences.

The so-called 'gay pride parade' in Washington, DC doesn't 'pride' itself with the fact of third world nations laughing them to scorn for having a higher HIV/AIDS rate than they do! Over 7% (Seven Point Four Percent, Actually) of the 40-49 year old residents have HIV/AIDS. OVER THREE PERCENT OF THE WHOLE DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA RESIDENTS HAVE HIV/AIDS!

THIS IS OVER THREE TIMES FOR WHAT QUALIFIES THROUGH THE WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION AS E-P-I-D-E-M-I-C!!!

Has any scorner of Jesus Christ heard of the plagues of The Ten Commandments fame? Those of You on here who have such ancient, sage, 'ascended master' wisdom that You think You can deny Christ Jesus and win at a game of Chess with Him...The Almighty Lord God of Hosts...You had better take a hint from the Liberal Democrats of Washington, DC!

Ken ORR

July 29, 2013 at 1:59 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

P.S.

Among young black women -- nationwide -- AIDS is the leading cause of death. Homosexual means Homosexual...Women! Get Understanding!

No Carte Blanche for Lesbians who call themselves 'scorning' Jesus Christ!!! Wake Up Please Everyone. Repent and 'Go Back To The Holy Bible'!

July 29, 2013 at 2:09 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

It's Monday morning and the imbecile Orr has stayed up late. After a communique from God, Orr preaches to the sound of the sad, lonely voice in his head.

Lie upon lie, Orr resumes his unintelligible blather and banality. Everyone still waits for Orr to present his extensive science credentials that he promised over a year ago.

But Orr produces nothing but his self-induced religious hysteria, visited upon his twisted, bigoted brain by paranoid little gods.

There's nothing holy about Orr or his pathetic, imaginary friend, and no cure for his ignorant drivel about history and science.

He's a tired little man, gasping for air, attacking and crucifying his own personal gay demons in public.

But his rantings are deliciously laughable in a schadenfreude way, to remind good people the cost of religious idiocy and closeted desires.

July 29, 2013 at 5:21 a.m.
klifnotes said...

While listening to the president’s speech about this subject, he mentioned a few things that happened to him as a young man. In reference to the lady in the elevator reacting as she did when he entered, it wasn’t because he was black but because he was a male. She was in a confined space with a man she didn’t know and she could hardly wait to get out of that situation. I know just how she felt. The car doors locking when he walked down the street was not because he was black but because he was a male. This was perceived as self-preservation because they did not know him.

Didn’t someone say a few years ago, “Can’t we all just love one another?”

TAMARA KLEMM


If the above were true, Ms. Klemm, then why do women of color experience the same reaction from some whites, both male and female? Brown Hispanic/Latino, Blacks and Muslim women have experienced the same or similar reaction from primarily whites. That reaction isn't just from white women, but from white men too. Your attempts to use a cover for racism doesn't fly.

Can't we just love one another?---The powerful racists won't allow for any of that. That's why. That's how they control the masses, through division and pitting one against the other. Otherwise, the masses might get smart; would come together and become more powerful than they are.

P.S. As women of color we're often followed around in the communities where reside pretty much in the same manner and fashion as Zimmerman followed Martin. Young, elderly, walking with a cane? It doesn't matter if your skin is brown or darker and you're in a predominately much lighter skin area or community. If Zimmerman really felt threatened, rather than brave and more powerful because he knew he had the advantage (he had a gun), he'd have remained in his vehicle like the dispatcher suggested and waited for police to arrive.

July 29, 2013 at 8:24 a.m.
una61 said...

All of the diverse plant and animal life that exists today is the result of almost 4 billion years of Natural Selection. Sadly, many adults cannot overcome their childhood indoctrination with the Genesis' myths. Worse, churches continue to indoctrinate impressionable children with these myths. The Genesis myths are simply stories (metaphors) written by men to illustrate God's wrath against unbelievers and have no factual or historical basis. When will church leaders display the intellectual fortitude to publicly admit this and stop indoctrinating impressionable children with them?

July 29, 2013 at 8:41 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Norma Wallace wrote : "God is the creator of all things."

Ms. Wallace is another excellent example of why religion and creationism have no place in public schools and government.

Let Penn & Teller show you the way, Ms. Wallace, and deliver you from your delusions. You can show this at your next church meeting between the snake-handling, strychnine drinking, speaking in gibberish, and faith-healing of amputees. God does heal amputees, doesn't He?

http://tinyurl.com/opsbu4m

July 29, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Thanks, una61, for a sensible post.
It used to be the custom in China to bind the feet of young girls so they wouldn't grow, resulting in grossly deformed appendages. A lot of religious indoctrination of children -- force-feeding fear, falsehoods and myths -- is a similar kind of child abuse, distorting young minds so they are unable to grow naturally and learn what's true about the world.

July 29, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
riverman said...

Good ole Wally with his monthly diatribe. Geez he must lead a miserable life. Wonder if Wally will be one of the Democrat Myrmidons sitting on stage behind Owebama tomorrow?

July 29, 2013 at 9:34 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

If Walter Benton does indeed lead a miserable life, I can only imagine that it's because he's surrounded as he is by such mind-boggling ignorance, bigotry, and narrow mindedness in this red state populated by so many Bible thumping bozos and teabagging yahoos who don't have the intelligence or god-given common sense of a gnat. It's enough to make any halfway sane person feel miserable from time to time.

Mr. Benton, I always enjoy your "monthly diatribes." You are one of the few who speak reason and truth among the insufferable howling of the hyenas all around us. Keep your letters coming.

July 29, 2013 at 11:11 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr wrote: "Those of You on here who have such ancient, sage, 'ascended master' wisdom that You think You can deny Christ Jesus and win at a game of Chess with Him."

I'll always win by default. Jesus never shows up for the game.

Imaginary deities like Jehovah, Jesus, and the Incredible Holy Flying Goober, don't play chess or checkers, have sex, eat cornbread and pinto beans, prevent disasters, heal amputees, and determine winners of football games. Nor do those three ever receive any money given to faith-fakers like Swaggert, Osteen, Huckabee, Hagee, Roberson, Paul and Jan Crouch, and the rest of that motley crew of con-men and wig-wearing, pink-haired floozies.

Orr, I do find you very amusing.I hope your wife doesn't discover you're online again and suppress your lunatic ravings. Next to the Sunday morning faith-healing extravaganzas of the fleecers and the fleeced, your posts offer a divine comedy of biblical proportions.

July 29, 2013 at 1:28 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

I've just got to say, daytonsdarwin, that You are one 'Tuff Character'. I do wish You would align Yourself with us. We seriously need strong willed Warriors.

Ken ORR

July 30, 2013 at 2:37 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

ORRMEANSLIGHT said... "I've just got to say, daytonsdarwin, that You are one 'Tuff Character'. I do wish You would align Yourself with us. We seriously need strong willed Warriors."

It's taken humanity thousands of years to go beyond magical thinking, belief in superstitions, claims of divine revelations, and rule of theocrats and other religious despots.

Why would any rational person wish to return to the dark side and prefer a mental cage to unfettered freedom of thoughts?

July 30, 2013 at 6 a.m.
ToHoldNothing said...

Isn't it traditional Christian theology that the body and soul are, in fact, not separate? They are intertwined, you can't have one without the other, especially when you consider the trend of valuing the body as a creation of god, in contrast to a result of evolution. The spirit is separate from the body, since that is from God more explicitly; it animates the body. The distinction between spirit and soul is nuanced, but important to the discussion

July 30, 2013 at 11:08 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

Ken Orr...

Most atheists/agnostics are former Christians or other former monotheistic believers. Very few have been born into atheistic families and raised as non-believers. We have come to our personal philosophies and sets of beliefs after a lot of thought, analysis, and soul searching. We are seekers of the truth and are willing to accept whatever that truth might be. Our "conversion" is more often than not a de-conversion from the mindless dogmatic drivel that has been programmed into our brains from almost the day we were born. But once the light of reason comes into clear focus for someone there is no going back to blind faith. It is very seldom that you ever hear of an atheist/agnostic going back to the simplistic, juvenile, and irrational dogma of Christianity or any other of the sky-daddy religions. It does happen occasionally, but very seldom. It is extremely common, on the other hand, to see more and more Christians throwing off their shackles and blinders, seeing the light of truth, and walking away from the empty blind faith of their religion.

Good luck, Ken Orr, on getting daytonsdarwin or any other non-believer who sees the world through the clear eyes of reason to align themselves with you and your Christian "warriors." We have been there, done that, and know first hand how hollow and meaningless your blind faith is. The dim and dying artificial light of your Jesus (that you think is the only one, true way) can in no way compare to the vibrant, pulsating, always fresh and fantastic light of truth and reason. I only hope there is enough of your brain that has not been saturated with lies and mindless dogma that you might be able to see that true light yourself one day. But given the dire extent of your brainwashing, it appears that you don't have much of a mind of your own left to reason with. And that's a pity. Truly, it is.

July 30, 2013 at 12:24 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

I first began questioning fundamentalism when I was twelve years old. An intelligent person taught me about science, history, and how the Bible came to be. By 15, I was done with Jehovah, Jesus, and the Bible as reality, only as oft repeated myths, legends, and campfire stories.

When one crack develops in the wall of religious dogmatism, light shines through. Then that wall crumbles and a better life begins, and freedom of thought follows.

There will always be those who believe in magic, gods, devils, and supernatural miracles as a means to avoid facing life. But religion used in this way is a crutch, employed not because one is lame, but because they think they're lame.

Fortunately for humanities progress, more people are realizing the crutch is unnecessary, and is in fact a burden to be shed.

Life will always be difficult, but the burden of fundamentalism can easily be shucked off and humanity can stand a little taller.

July 30, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Rickaroo...daytonsdarwin:

Jesus Christ may have acknowledged the underlying thought of the Rolling Stones when they entitled one of their albums, 'Sympathy For tHe d'EVIL'. Kings enlist their respective kingdoms to war against other Kings and their kingdoms. Some Kings realize they are defeated and choose to surrender and live. Others choose to die rather than surrender...admitting defeat. Possibly the Rolling Stones identify with sATAN and know the probable pain of surrender (Pride/Ego), yet, know the reality that there is no winning against their 'foe'(Jesus Christ). Evidently, the d'EVIL knows he just does not have it in him to submit to the Lion of The Tribe of Judah. This, the same for the Rolling Stones. This the same for many others who know sATAN'S eternal future and their own. And, you know, in some strange, unexplainable way, I also, as a Blood Bought, Born Again Believer, Saved Worshiper of The Lord God of Hosts...also have this haunting sense of sympathy for rebels against The King of Glory, our Creator, Jesus Christ.

I mean You no harm,

Ken ORR

July 30, 2013 at 2:19 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

While earlier I talked about a religious crutch, Orr is a religious quadraplegic and would happily have humanity join him in his swamp of mental paralysis.

With rational thought, science, and education the number of Orrs in religious fundamentalism continues to diminish.

One day, people looking at religious history will look at Orr and his tribe in the same way today's thinkers look at those who proclaimed the truth about a flat earth, the sun rotating around the earth, and diseases caused by witches.

Orr, you can no more cause me harm than your impotent and imaginary gods can. A mouse farting in a hurricane has a greater impact on this world.

July 30, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Yes, many centuries before Christ Jesus was born, The Lord God of Hosts tried to teach the 'scientists???' that His Earth is round/spherical...and 'NOT' flat.

'Science Discovers God!'

Isaiah 40:21-23 King James Version (KJV)

21 "Have ye not known? have ye not heard? hath it not been told you from the beginning? have ye not understood from the foundations of the earth? It is He that sitteth upon 'the circle' of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: That bringeth the princes to nothing; He maketh the judges of the earth as vanity."

July 30, 2013 at 2:52 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...
1 Chronicles 16:30: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable.”

Psalm 93:1: “Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ...”

Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”

Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”

Isaiah 45:18: “...who made the earth and fashioned it, and himself fixed it fast...”

Looks like Jehovah failed science class, again. For a divinity, he doesn't know jack! Oops!

July 30, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

I hate to nitpick, but for the sake of clarification, the Stones did not have an album entitled "Sympathy For The Devil." A song yes, but not an album. They did have an album entitled "Their Satanic Majesties Request." If Pat Robertson will let you borrow his magic turntable, you can play that album backwards and here Mick say "MMMbumbleRatchetHargawBooogety" which, if I understand correctly is Klingon for "Hail our dark lord and savior." Or something like that.

July 30, 2013 at 3:44 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Mr. Orr, I know you don't mean anyone any harm. But your "love-the-sinner, hate-the-sin" attitude is frankly more disgusting than someone who makes no pretense about their hatred and bigotry. I'd much rather deal with someone who openly expresses their intolerance for people who do not share their political or religious beliefs than with someone like you who claims to dwell in the light of "God's eternal love" or whatever you choose to call it. You think you are so filled with the "spirit" that God's love overflows from your very pores, but what you call spirit is nothing more than self righteousness. You are so full of your holy rolling self that you can't even see how disgustingly self righteous you are.

I'm not going to attempt to engage in reasonable discourse or debate with you because you totally lack any reasoning capabilities. Your logic is circular, which is to say illogical, which is to say nonexistent. You cannot get off of that hamster wheel of Bible quoting long enough to look objectively at anything and see beyond your nose. Anyone who constantly uses Bible quotes to make their point I immediately dismiss as being on the lunatic fringe. You, sir, are not only on the fringe, you have gone way, way over and off the deep end.

I mean what I said earlier: It appears that you don't have much of a mind left to reason with, and that truly is a pity. It is easy to get upset and feel antipathy for someone like you who constantly makes such asinine, juvenile, and divisive comments based on Biblical nonsense. But in the end I feel truly sorry for you and the many other lost souls like yourself who have been so abysmally brain-washed. I use the term "lost soul," not in the sense that you Christians use it, meaning to be lost from eternal salvation (because there is nothing to be saved from, except our own worst nightmares and imaginings) but lost in the sense that you are missing out on the infinite complexities and wonders of life when experienced and looked at without blinders and suffocating religious superstitions. But then, I'm sure you're happy in your own way, in that security blanket of Jesus and the prospect of eternal "salvation" that you wrap yourself in.

July 30, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

GratefulDawg (You don't nitpick, You are correct. kwo)

Yes, You are correct. I stand corrected. I left out a phrase. Instead of writing "...the Rolling Stones when they entitled one of their albums...", I should have written Rickaroo...daytonsdarwin:

Jesus Christ may have acknowledged the underlying thought of the Rolling Stones when they entitled '>one of the songs< on their album', 'Sympathy For tHe d'EVIL'. Kings enlist their respective kingdoms to war against other Kings and their kingdoms. Some Kings realize they are defeated and choose to surrender and live. Others choose to die rather than surrender...admitting defeat. Possibly the Rolling Stones identify with sATAN and know the probable pain of surrender (Pride/Ego), yet, know the reality that there is no winning against their 'foe'(Jesus Christ). Evidently, the d'EVIL knows he just does not have it in him to submit to the Lion of The Tribe of Judah. This, the same for the Rolling Stones. This the same for many others who know sATAN'S eternal future and their own. And, you know, in some strange, unexplainable way, I also, as a Blood Bought, Born Again Believer, Saved Worshiper of The Lord God of Hosts...also have this haunting sense of sympathy for rebels against The King of Glory, our Creator, Jesus Christ.

I mean You no harm,

Ken ORR

July 31, 2013 at 4:24 a.m.
ORRMEANSLIGHT said...

Rickaroo

I truly do so love. I am only saved by grace, not self-righteous. I do not want You, nor, me, nor, anyone we love to be cast into an eternal, tormenting, never dieing, hell, fire and brimstone. This I affirm to be true.

Ken ORR

July 31, 2013 at 4:31 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Orr wrote: "I do not want You, nor, me, nor, anyone we love to be cast into an eternal, tormenting, never dieing, hell, fire and brimstone. This I affirm to be true."

Not to worry. No one's going to hell. There is no hell.

However, there is a mental disturbance called religious fundamentalism. You have it - in spades.

Your affirmation of truth is part of that mental illness. You've lied so much on this forum about your past actions that no one is fooled by your delusions concerning yourself as well as your savior complex.

Spare us your oaths about veracity. Like your views, it's sadly laughable.

July 31, 2013 at 6:07 a.m.
Rickaroo said...

"I do not want You, nor, me, nor, anyone we love to be cast into an eternal, tormenting, never dieing, hell, fire and brimstone." - Ken Orr

Mr. Orr has hit upon the one essential element of Christianity that makes people gravitate to it in the first place and then keeps so many of them locked into it, sadly so, for the rest of their lives: fear. Their fear of going to a make-believe realm of damnation and eternal suffering is so great that they are willing to sacrifice their intellectual and personal freedom, their autonomy and opportunity to be uniquely themselves, and in the end blind themselves fully to the truth. Their fear of eternal suffering is so great and their desire to live forever in some fantastical, impossible la-la land of perfection and eternal bliss is so overpowering that they literally sell their souls to a make-believe God in order to attain it. They are no different from people who supposedly sell their souls to the devil in order to attain some long-lasting or supposedly eternal personal (selfish) gain.

While Christians like to think that Satan and God are at the opposite ends of the spectrum from each other, they are actually one and the same. A heavenly father who would even conceive of, let alone create, a hell in which to punish his children for all eternity for the mere "sin" of daring to think for themselves is no better than the Satan he likewise created, or if not created, at least allowed to come into being.

It is mind boggling and sad that so many otherwise intelligent adults cling to something that is obviously mythological in nature, worthy of fairy-tale status. There is nothing admirable about blind faith. It is a cop-out and the sign of a feeble and fearful mind. In my atheistic cynicism I'm sometimes accused of not showing the proper respect for Christians, particularly the fundamentalists, and their beliefs. While I do respect the right of anyone to believe as they will, at least as long as they likewise show respect for others' beliefs (which few Christians do, by the way) I have no respect whatsoever for people who allow themselves to remain so willfully ignorant when the truth is so clearly right in front of their very noses.

July 31, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
klifnotes said...

The other myth, God created the earth in 7 days, Ken would be shocked into a seizure, then unconsciousness if he knew that myth actually started in the 19TH century.

Few of today's rightwing fundamentalists care about the early church, the Gospels and what they actually stood for.

An example of rightwing Christian beliefs verses liberal Christian beliefs:

Here are some verses liberal Christians wish rightwing conservative Christians would get “fundamentalist” about:

(1.) Immigration:

The verse/what liberals believe:

When a stranger sojourns with you in your land, you shall not do him wrong. You shall treat the stranger who sojourns with you as the native among you, and you shall love him as yourself, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God. - Leviticus 19:33-34.

Why Fundamentalists rightwingers Hate This Verse:

Because fundamentalists are xenophobic: religious fundamentalism is a reaction to the multiculturalism of liberal democracy. Rather than seek a “brotherhood of man,” religious fundamentalism longs for a tribal community, without the necessary friction from those with foreign beliefs, cultures and customs

On Poverty:

One of the most humorous aspects of modern-day, far-right Christianity is its reverence of capitalism. That’s because Christ could be considered almost “anti-capitalist.” Consider this verse:

The verse:

Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God. - Matthew 19:24.

There is some version of the story of the rich man approaching Jesus that appears in every synoptic Gospel. In the Gospel of Mark, Jesus tells the rich man, “go, sell all that you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.”

The story of Lazarus should similarly terrify modern day fundamentalists

alt org

July 31, 2013 at 2:43 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

One of the biggest scams in fundamental evangelical Christianity is the so-called "Prosperity Gospel" where these con-men and women preaching it get rich and the fleeced flock get poorer.

Fundamentalism - the belief that somebody, somewhere might be enjoying themselves without superstitions, deities, proslytizers, and punishment for imaginary sins.

July 31, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Great points, dd and klif. While I myself believe that JC was not an actual historical figure, other than perhaps some itinerant prophet or religious zealot named Jesus, among the many that existed during the day that Christ supposedly lived, I do not have any issue with those more liberal minded Christians who believe in him and try to live in accordance with the New Testament message of brotherly love and compassion that JC (supposedly) preached. Whether they think Jesus was real or not is immaterial, as far as I'm concerned, as long as they don't cling to the ridiculous doctrinal fundamentalist notion of original sin and the need of a "savior" to save us from eternal damnation. However, I wish that the more New-Age-type Christians would come up with some other appropriate label and stop calling themselves Christian, so as to separate themselves from the hateful, bigoted, narrow-minded ones. In essence, the more liberal Christians who do not accept Christ's divinity are not really Christians anyway, in the literal sense of the word, which is one who accepts Christ as the messiah, the son of God, who came into this world for the express purpose of dying to "save" the world from sin. I know that Christianity today is a huge umbrella with all manner of denominations and classifications of Christian falling under it; but frankly, if I were one of those more open minded Christians I would not want to share the same name with those despicable fundamentalist cretins. I really don't understand why they even feel the need to cling to a label at all. Why can it not just be possible for them to live a moral, loving life, spreading the message of the "gospel," without the need to call themselves "Christian?" Sometimes I suspect that they are open-minded enough to see the nonsense of viewing the Bible as the inerrant word of God but they can't let go of the possibility that God just might be a vindictive being after all, who just might condemn them to an after-life of hell if they do not profess to being a "Christian." And if that is indeed the case, they have not been able to fully liberate themselves from the brainwashing of their upbringing. Just a thought.

July 31, 2013 at 4:16 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

For most "Christians" regardless of a liberal or fundamental outlook, it's a social event. Even many Christians who attend those fundamentalists churches do so out of parental influence turned habit rather than swallow the whole enchilada of literal dogmatism.

However, many of those same non-dogmatic Christians turn vicious and crazy when it comes to the public display of fundamentalism. They become public hypocrites for Jesus. In many ways they are worse than the Orrs of fundamentalism. By their hypocrisy they allow the Orrs, Fred Phelps, Roberson, Osteens, and Swaggerts to ply their anti-humanity obsessions against others.

These hypocrites are the same people who would be Nazis supporters under Hitler, Maoists in China, Stalinists in Russia, and slavers in the old South. Not because they believe it, but because they're cowards to act on their personal convictions.

It is those hypocrites who lack morality that allow evil to continue. Include most politicians, clergy, and religion in that category and you have the current state of affairs.

July 31, 2013 at 4:47 p.m.
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