published Thursday, June 27th, 2013

The Summit

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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DJHBRAINERD said...

It is also a victory for singles every where! No longer will hedrosexual men miss out on the tax reduction gravy train. We can now get married without the fear of a bitter woman taking our lively hood due to irreconcilable differences. Finally I can get a tax write off by marrying an unemployed/underemployed friend. Heck we might even get an earned income credit since we will now have 2 mouths to feed. This will help offset the tax burden all singles incure when we pay a little extra to put your children through school. And I can stick it to my corporate master by getting my new partner on my health plan at a much better rate than he/she could have gotten on thier own. I can also rest assured that the gov will now have to pay me survivor benifits if I outlive my spouse. All this without the fear of an oops baby! It's a strange world we live in when the issue of gays getting married brings tax equality into the conversation. I can not think of any reason the government is in the marriage business or for that matter why the tax laws are so complex but if someone out there will say "I do" then sign me up!

June 27, 2013 at 12:53 a.m.
alprova said...

If nothing else, the Supreme Court finally taking up the issue and coming down on the side of equality, will the gay marriage issue slip to the back burner in future elections?

55% of Americans believe that gay people should be allowed to not only marry, but should be allowed all of the benefits of marriage that go along with it. Younger generations support gay marriage by a two-thirds margin.

The only legitimate objection to the issue of gay marriage that has ever been raised, involves religious belief that homosexuality is prohibited by God. When religion is removed from the equation, there is nothing left to argue.

Most Republicans do not support gay marriage. Most Democrats do.

The battle lines are quite clear.

Any Republican who attempts to make his or her opposition to gay marriage a key issue of their campaign is likely to have an uphill battle. They should know that it is a losing battle to go against the will of a majority.

Candidates who run campaigns based on their personal beliefs, against the grain, don't often come out on the winning side either.

As an American, I believe in allowing people who do not harm anyone else to be allowed to live their lives as they so choose. This is an essential plank that must exist if we all live in a free nation.

Far right leaning Republicans are still struggling to come to grips with the reality that attempts to use the legislative powers of Government to force people to bow to their versions of morality will never succeed.

The numbers are not on their side and they never have been. But, I have little doubt that the battles will continue unabated.

June 27, 2013 at 1:50 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Bennett doing a cartoon on a gay issue? Who woulda thought?

June 27, 2013 at 4 a.m.
degage said...

Goes both ways, Al. You ilk is using government, not just attempting, to make the rest of us bow to your version of morality.

June 27, 2013 at 6:23 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

"The only legitimate objection to the issue of gay marriage that has ever been raised, involves religious belief that homosexuality is prohibited by God. When religion is removed from the equation, there is nothing left to argue."

That's right, al, when you flaming liberals remove God from the equation, you can all do just about anything or anybody you want. So bend over and grab your ankles, al. Happy birthday!

June 27, 2013 at 6:57 a.m.
EaTn said...

After yesterday's SCOTUS ruling, the next honorable step is to remove "Under God" from our Pledge of Allegiance.

June 27, 2013 at 7:15 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Next up: Polygamy. I want to marry my female dogs so I can get them on the family health insurance plan. Oh, and hospitals will have to treat dogs.

June 27, 2013 at 7:16 a.m.
conservative said...

THERE IS NOT ONE CHANCE THAT A HOMOSEXUAL WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD!!!

Contrary to Mr. Bennett, homosexuality is no summit to obtain but is about the lowest behavior a human being can engage in. God in fact often gives up that person who engages in homosexuality-

24 Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. 25 For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. 26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. Romans 1:24-27

Homosexuality is condemned by God in clear and easily understood language:

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.Leviticus 20:13

9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1Corinthians 6:9-10

THERE IS NOT ONE CHANCE THAT A HOMOSEXUAL WILL INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD!!!

June 27, 2013 at 7:35 a.m.
limric said...

The pious & religious launched the 'DOMA MAP' (morality air patrol) off their self righteous indignation powered aircraft carrier; the USS Scripture.

Defenders of dignity for all tried and tried to get through the biblical maneuvering of the 'MAP' with their own force; 'CRAP', the 'Civil Rights Air Patrol'. ;-)

Finally, introduced was a new SCOTUS missile. One missile had trouble with its 'Scalia sodomy gyro' and failed to launch but by and large they were able to track their targets.

The sound of the claxon on the bridge of the USS Scripture was loud and unmistakeable: - DOMA DOWN- DOMA DOWN. The captains command, "Right full rudder" was not as responsive as it once was. Even ordering the crew to yell bible quotes from the port bow didn't seem to help much, and many Christian sailors fell/jumped Overboard.

June 27, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.
limric said...

Meanwhile, sitting on a cloud reading the Times Free Press....

http://www.clowncrack.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/DOMA-DOWN.jpg

June 27, 2013 at 7:51 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

Keep on posting, limric, you're doing a great job for the conservative cause.

June 27, 2013 at 8:01 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

Queer Nation: Men in panties? Women in jock straps? Maybe Rev. Wright was right.

June 27, 2013 at 8:11 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

So when a couple from Westboro Baptist "Church" wants to get married, and they ask Robert Mapplethorpe to do the photography and his sister Michelle to make the cake, and the Mapplethorpes refuse, do the Mapplethorpes get arrested and fined and sent to sensitivity training?

(Fact check: Robert, famous "gay" photographer, died A.D. 1989, and I have no idea of his sisters' names or occupations or predilections.)

Freedom means (in part) letting other people do things of which one disapproves. Does it have to mean applauding or subsidizing it, or allowing it within zones that prefer it not?

Alprova, since "gays" can't breed--breeding involves the opposite sex--Darwin might disapprove of it without reference to the Holy Holy Holy One. Retract your claim that the only opposition is religious. (If science develops artificial wombs and/or artificial sperm, that's artificial opposite sex; still not "gay" breeding.)

If Muslim Sharia law executes "gays," and our President subsidizes Sharia regimes, is our President forcing U.S. taxpayers to subsidize the execution of "gays"? Since "gay" behavior spreads the AIDS virus (formerly "GRID," gay related immune deficiency; and of course other fornication also spreads it), are "gays" murdering each other? (Points from Douglas Wilson.)

God now orders all sinners--not just the "gay" minority--to repent: Acts 17. Jesus Christ died for our sins and rose up alive on the third day. Mr Mapplethorpe simply died (from sins, not for them), and stayed dead, awaiting the Judgment Day.

June 27, 2013 at 8:17 a.m.
jesse said...

Somebody explain to me WHY i should give a rats arz if gays can get married??

June 27, 2013 at 8:21 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova opined..."As an American, I believe in allowing people who do not harm anyone else to be allowed to live their lives as they so choose. This is an essential plank that must exist if we all live in a free nation." I really could care less what consenting adults do in their bedroom, but with the gays it seems that their sexuality defines them. Don't get me wrong, I like and love beautiful women but come on man, it seems that with Obama it's gay, gay, gay, 24/7. Barry the Welfare Pimp, being the community union organizer that he is, always panders to his "special interest groups" to heard them into the Socialist Democrat corral. Sad, and very simple minded. During his Senate campaign and the 2010 Presidential election wasn't Obama a "Marriage Is Defined As Being Between A Man and a Woman" kind of guy? Oh wait a minute...........HE EVOLVED! What a Gay Pimp Obama turned into when he needed the votes. Obama, a greasy, thug, Chicago gangster political pimp. Obama went gay to get votes. Fuuuunnnnnny! And Alprova let me ask you and this is where the Gay Pride Movement is headed......is a 38 year old man harming a 12 year old boy when he "marries" him? Under Obama's secular humanist socialist leadership America is going the way of ancient Rome. I am certainly glad I am totally self sufficient $$$$$$$$$$$ and well armed! GLOCK, SIG, and S&W will provide my social security. Happy Gay Day Obama. Soon all of us business owners will be "required by law" to hire a certain amount of gays in order to maintain government required levels of gay diversity. I'm headed to the gun range today. See ya.

June 27, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Fine with me. Let the federales decide everything. Statists be proud! This country, as we knew it, is toast.

June 27, 2013 at 8:53 a.m.
Maximus said...

If only we could achieve the dream of the Democrats and do away with marriage, morality, and Christianity all together! Also, why not just have ONE political party that supports a kind and loving government that "takes care" of everyone. You know what they say.....when in Rome, do as the Roman's do! Can't wait till the mid term elections....talk about rejection of Obama...OMG!

June 27, 2013 at 9:02 a.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova....waiting for your answer about your "feelings" regarding a 38 year old man marrying a 12 year old boy? Is it a "civil rights" issue?

June 27, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Goes both ways, Al. You ilk is using government, not just attempting, to make the rest of us bow to your version of morality."

Which political group introduced and passed DOMA? Republicans dominated both Houses of Congress in 1996. The House vote was 342-67. The Senate vote was 86-14.

Much has changed since 1996. People's views have changed since 1996. At least most people that is.

Either people are for total freedom to allow people to make choices that in no manner affect their own lives, even if that means that some of those choices are considered to be immoral choices, or they are against freedom.

Isn't that what gay marriage boils down to? A freedom and perhaps a right that has been extended to most people for as long as this country has existed?

June 27, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.
tifosi said...

Conservative being the Christian hypocrite again. And he wonders why folks are leaving the church.

I just want to make sure we are all on the same page. Maximus the Fraud has been outed and added to the "ignore list".

June 27, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Marc Rich died. Wonder if Holder will be pallbearer?

June 27, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
alprova said...

AndrewLohr wrote: "Alprova, since "gays" can't breed--breeding involves the opposite sex--Darwin might disapprove of it without reference to the Holy Holy Holy One. Retract your claim that the only opposition is religious."

I stated that the only legitimate argument against homosexuality is based on religion, or more to the point, cherry-picked scripture, very much taken out of the context that it was written, to condemn homosexuality.

If the inability to reproduce is being introduced as an argument as a reason to prohibit marriage, where is the law preventing women or men who are sterile, and/or too old to conceive, not on the books to prevent them from being allowed to marry?

Marriage is a committed relationship between two people in love, who desire to make that declaration of love permanent.

No one in this nation is tested to see if they have the capability to sire or bear offspring.

Therefore, that argument is quite silly.

June 27, 2013 at 9:20 a.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova let me ask you and this is where the Gay Pride Movement is headed......is a 38 year old man harming a 12 year old boy when he "marries" him?"

I'm not as informed to any agenda that the Gay Pride movement has, as you might believe me to be, but nowhere have I read of any adult expressing any desire to marry anyone other than another consenting adult.

If you feel that I am incorrect, please feel free to post any proof that members of Gay Pride or any other legitimate group of people who have fought for the right to marry, have made a formal request to anyone for the right to marry children.

June 27, 2013 at 9:36 a.m.
TinaFrench said...

Maximus said... Alprova....waiting for your answer about your "feelings" regarding a 38 year old man marrying a 12 year old boy? Is it a "civil rights" issue? What are your feelings regarding a 38 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl? Is that a civil rights issue?

June 27, 2013 at 9:49 a.m.
eeeeeek said...

And now back to as the bigot turns

June 27, 2013 at 10 a.m.
Maximus said...

UHHHHHH, Tina, yes, a 38 year old man marrying a 12 year old girl would be wrong. My point is that like Obama, there is a certain amount of deceit in the so called Gay Movement. Both gay couples yesterday that brought fourth the lawsuits against Cali and were interviewed on the steps of the supreme court after the decision stated that the decision was about kids. Statistics show that gays comprise about 8 to 10% of the U.S. population. The gays want to expand their brand and expand their prospects. It is about recruiting YOUR children into the gay lifestyle and don't forget most sexual predators of children are gay. The gays will say it is about marriage between consenting adults but come on, it is about much more than that. Would you be comfortable in allowing two liberal Democrat gay men keep your 5 and 10 year old boys over the weekend while you and your husband were at a Christian marriage enrichment retreat? As for me....not so much!

June 27, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

Conservative, I think you missed the passage about pulling the plank out of your own eye, before pointing out the speck in anothers. Who are you to judge? lets leave that to the Almighty.

June 27, 2013 at 10:24 a.m.
tbs1015 said...

and joepulitzer, I think you missed the crucial ideal that our nation was founded on, separation of church and state. Something our founders were running away from in England. Never should religion and politics be mixed.

June 27, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

eeeeek: Who's the bigot?

June 27, 2013 at 10:44 a.m.

Oh, happy day. States can still make their own decision, though.

Good question, what's to stop a 12 year old boy from marrying a 38 year old man?

You see, you lefties, since R v W the country is on downward spiral. Anything goes from that point on.

June 27, 2013 at 10:50 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

States are being castrated. Statists are winning big time.

June 27, 2013 at 10:57 a.m.
conservative said...

tbs 1015,

This is the first time I have ever seen your name here and I am shocked by your lack of understanding.

I cited Biblical verses condemning homosexuality and God's judgment on homosexuals. I have no authority to condemn you for homosexuality but I do have the right of free speech and I will use that right in pointing out what God has said on the matter of your homosexuality and the consequences of those who practice it.

You made a wrong judgment and you have the right to do so and I have the right to point that out to you.

June 27, 2013 at 12:26 p.m.

This is like a public health organization endorsing a wedding-cake diet as healthy and deserving of public health insurance coverage. Maybe mandated health insurance benefits for such unhealthy (to put it mildly) lifestyles will hasten the demise of Obamacare . One act of folly begets many others.

(1) http://www.cdc.gov/msmhealth/STD.htm

June 27, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Slick Willie says:“By overturning the Defense of Marriage Act, the Court recognized that discrimination towards any group holds us all back in our efforts to form a more perfect union. We are also encouraged that marriage equality may soon return to California. We applaud the hard work of the advocates who have fought so relentlessly for this day, and congratulate Edie Windsor on her historic victory,” the Clintons’ statement reads. NOT ONLY did Clinton sign it into law, most of the HIGH PROFILE DEM mopes...Schumer, Reid, Durbin, also supported it. These guys govern by wind guage.

June 27, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "I will use that right in pointing out what God has said on the matter of your homosexuality and the consequences of those who practice it."

God has never SAID anything about homosexuality nor has he offered any consequences of those who preactice it.

Please cite one sentence of sacripture that quote's GOD saying anything about homosexuality. First person. Not Third, fourth, fifth and beyond. First.

June 27, 2013 at 1:07 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "NOT ONLY did Clinton sign it into law, most of the HIGH PROFILE DEM mopes...Schumer, Reid, Durbin, also supported it. These guys govern by wind guage."

DOMA was passed with a two-thirds majority. Clinton could not veto it. And at the time he did sign it, he stated that he did not agree with it.

And for sure, there are Democrats who sided with and who voted for DOMA, but people ARE allowed to change their opinions from time to time.

It's not as if every time someone offers an opinion, it must be retained for life.

June 27, 2013 at 1:11 p.m.
alprova said...

maximus wrote: "The gays want to expand their brand and expand their prospects. It is about recruiting YOUR children into the gay lifestyle and don't forget most sexual predators of children are gay. The gays will say it is about marriage between consenting adults but come on, it is about much more than that."

Utter ignorance.

June 27, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova wrote

God has never SAID anything about homosexuality nor has he offered any consequences of those who preactice it.

Please cite one sentence of sacripture that quote's GOD saying anything about homosexuality. First person. Not Third, fourth, fifth and beyond. First.

=====================

Is this a new game? Read what I wrote earlier.

June 27, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.
nurseforjustice said...

Alprova, All scripture is "first person" just written thru 40 different men.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 16"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Conservative is not casting judgement on anyone. He is only proclaiming the truth, I hope "in Love", as the Word also tells us to do.

As a Christian, I don't hate any homosexuals. I hate the sin of homosexuality as I hate all sin. As someone earlier stated, it is a continuing of a downward spiral of morals in our country.

June 27, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.

It takes a warped and twisted mind to believe we're advancing as a society because homosexuality is being put on par with heterosexuality, and the 60 million abortions performed since R v W are ok. No new ground is being broken here, and certainly there is no advancement. I saw the internet that a tunnel was discovered, a roman tunnel, somewhere in the middle east. In that tunnel they discovered thousands of remains of babies. Many ancient societies accepted homosexuality and the killing of babies. What's happening in our country is devolution rather than evolution. Sick, very sick.

June 27, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo: Sure people can change their minds. Sometimes to bend with the political winds. But I'm sure that wasn't the case with Clinton, Durbin, Shuster, and Reid. Right?

June 27, 2013 at 2:24 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, you libs always use the word ignorance when avoiding the truth. This all comes down to "normalizing" and "mainstreaming" homosexual behavior. If you consider one guy taking it in the poop shute from another guy normal then I guess you don't mind having a public school teacher tell your first grader that their sexuality is their choice and being gay is a good and wonderful thing. As I have said before, one of the saddest events to attend would be a gay wedding. The whole gay movement IS about growing their brand and recruiting your kids into the deviant sexual behavior fold. And finally, why are most gay women Dog Ugly? There are a few exceptions but I think most fatty ugly women are gay because they could not attract and get a man. Darwin was right, it is about the survival of the fittest. Janet Napalitano, the DHS Director is a great example of a dog ugly gay woman. HHS witch Cathy "Death Panel" Sebelius, who I think is married is like Barry Obama, gay but she just does not know it yet...........Obama will do anything for votes, bend over boyzzzzzz!

June 27, 2013 at 2:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

jesse said... Somebody explain to me WHY i should give a rats arz if gays can get married??

The root cause is the only reason for my objection. The discrimination against those not married creates the desire for gays to marry so they can take advantage of all the marriage "loop holes" in the tax codes, health care policies, inheritance provisions, etc. etc.

There has been no estimate of the reduced tax revenue since there is no accurate projection of how many single will marry. No one has been able to explain to me why I have a higher tax rate and other expenses just because I am not married. A lady friend of mine also preferring being single owns a property similar to mine so we both pay property taxes and other local government fees to help educate other peoples kids. We pay a higher tax rate I assume because there are more marrieds and they vote, we pay a higher health care premium since we don't get the "family rate" ,the list goes on and on.

It serves those opposing gay marriage right since they support and encourage discriminating against those being single.

Two straight singles with no plans to marry would be smart to create a comprehensive prenuptial agreement protecting both and simplifying divorce if initiated by either party. They would not have to change anything in their life style and very little communications would be necessary but with significant benefits.

Recent events provide the best opportunity ever to fix the tax system by abolishing all exceptions to the tax rates and setting a rate for each income level, a one page or post card to file taxes. Or, use a consumption tax to capture all the off book transactions and illegal gains. Then, if gays want to marry that is fine but it will not enable them to exercise their greed by taking from others.

You tell me...why when I saved and paid cash for less house should I have to help those taking an interest deduction buy a house they financed? Why should I pay more taxes to educate and provide for those that want a house full of rug rats? Why do I pay a singles rate for health care with very few trips to the doctor over 35 years that is more than the obese diabetic chain smoking couple down the street pays per person for similar coverage?

It is indeed a queer world of envy and greed we live in jesse.

June 27, 2013 at 3:11 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

The heavenly Henny Penny choir is in perfect harmony today. The good ol' U. S. of by-god A is going to hell in a hand-basket. The cause for consternation seems to be that as a nation we are becoming more accepting of homosexuals in both a de facto and de jure manner. This puts us on the same path as nations like Canada, Spain, Britain, and Australia. Connie and company know we should follow the path of nations like Iran, Algeria, Ethiopia, Libya, Ghana, Pakistan, and Botswana. Those bastions of peace and prosperity know how to keep the gays in their place.

But, but...Our theocracy wears a white hat.

June 27, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

props to those voting no in senate.

June 27, 2013 at 4:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Dawg: Seems to me the nation is trending secular by leaps and bounds. Yet you wannabe bygawdintellectuals still fear the religion. Find another drum to beat on. It's going your way, but fret if you must.

June 27, 2013 at 5:06 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

No, no, Jackie Truth, you've got me all wrong. I don't fear religion. I study it and bask in its rituals and contradictions. My problem is: I ask follow-up questions. When I do this the pious true believers say things such as, oh, I don't know..."Find another drum to beat on."

As for being a "wannabe" intellectual...Yes, guilty as charged. I do not claim to be among the great minds of our time, but I do seek to learn new things everyday. I suppose that makes me a wannabe intellectual. I do not "fret" the fact that there are many things left to learn. Throw your rotten tomatoes at me if you must.

June 27, 2013 at 5:51 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Wow Dawg, you sound remarkably like another poster on here. Hard to hide the caustic word gymnastics.

June 27, 2013 at 6:07 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Is this a new game? Read what I wrote earlier."

You quote those same passages every time this issue comes up.

None of those are first person accounts or quotations from God.

They are self-appointed authoritative accounts from those who are speaking for God.

Unless you can dig up a first person account of God speaking to the issue of homosexuality, much like he did when he is quoted speaking to Adam and Eve, or Moses on the Mount, God has not spoken a word against the homosexual.

June 27, 2013 at 6:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Again, religiosity has no place in political discussions. Plenty to disagree on without it.

June 27, 2013 at 6:15 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Jackie Truth, you do understand why it is laughable that you, of all people, like to insinuate that others are posting under multiple screen names. As for the "caustic word gymnastics" you speak of, I don't have a clue what you are talking about. Would a series of grunts, groans, and the occasional dinging of a spittoon be more to your liking?

June 27, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sure, dawg, I've had a couple different names? You?

June 27, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Nope, just the one.

June 27, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Is this a new game? Read what I wrote earlier."

You quote those same passages every time this issue comes up. None of those are first person accounts or quotations from God. They are self-appointed authoritative accounts from those who are speaking for God.

Unless you can dig up a first person account of God speaking to the issue of homosexuality, much like he did when he is quoted speaking to Adam and Eve, or Moses on the Mount, God has not spoken a word against the homosexual.

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WOW!!!

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2Timothy 3:16-17

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. 2Peter 1:20-21

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 6:31 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Now read the judgment and condemnation of homosexuality from the word of God.

Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. Romans 1:24-27

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 6:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

dawg: I. do. not. believe. it.

June 27, 2013 at 6:49 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Furthermore,

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 6:55 p.m.
alprova said...

NFJ wrote: "Alprova, All scripture is "first person" just written thru 40 different men."

Then you know that is not first person accounts. Every sentence has a presentation. Scripture is entirely inspired works with very little exception. I noted two in my previous post.

Being inspired is not the same as God telling the authors of those scribes, word for word, what they are to write. And I'm sure that you cannot claim that God was indeed telling each of the alleged 40 self-proclaimed prophets what they were to write.

"2 Timothy 3:16-17 was quoted."

Modern day Biblical scholars have made a fine case for declaring that 2 Timothy was not written by Paul but by an anonymous follower, after Paul's death in the First Century.

The language and ideas of 2 Timothy are notably different from 1 Timothy and Titus, widely attributed to St. Paul, and was written by someone who knew St. Paul in his last days.

"Conservative is not casting judgement on anyone. He is only proclaiming the truth, I hope "in Love", as the Word also tells us to do."

Sir, you have never, ever condemned a soul in this forum.

Conservative cranks up the condemnation machine every time this issue is even broached for one minute.

"As a Christian, I don't hate any homosexuals. I hate the sin of homosexuality as I hate all sin. As someone earlier stated, it is a continuing of a downward spiral of morals in our country."

And from my vantage point, I know full and well that it is not my place to judge what others choose to do applicable to their lives, even if I disagree with those choices or find them sinful. Every one of us has to stand before God an account for their own life choices.

My understanding of the Bible, which may differ from that of many people, has led me to believe that not every sin is absolute or outlined well enough that we can make a confident determination as to what may at one time have been considered to be sin, that is no longer a sin.

After all, many, if not most Christians eat pork and/or shellfish, don't they?

How many Christians have nick-nacs adorning shelves in their homes or animals or people? How many people on this planet have eaten meat three days after it was killed?

Have you ever had a garden? Did you leave some of what you grew for the poor and for strangers to harvest?

Do you suppose that any Christian has sown a field with mixed seeds? Have Christians worn garments to church that were made of linen and wool?

Is it possible that a Christian ate fruit from a tree that was harvested before three years had passed? Have you ever ate a piece of meat with remnants of blood still in it?

(To be cont.)

June 27, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
alprova said...

(cont.)

Have you shaved the sides of your head or disfigured your beard?

How many Christians have tattoos?

All the above are listed in Leviticus, and much more. How many of those sins or abominations are willfully ignored? Yet it is homosexuality that many Christians take seriously and condemn in others.

Now I know you are a reasonable man. You will read what I have written and will respond with a reasonable assessment as to why it is that so many edicts offered in Leviticus are disregarded by modern day Christians.

Leviticus is at best a second person account, and is a third or more accounting in the rest.

There is very little written in the Bible that can be accurately described as "God's word."

I challenge anyone to refute that simple fact, as always.

And I'm sorry, but quoting scripture, written by mortal man, claiming that scripture is "God-Breathed," doesn't come close to hitting a mark as proof either.

June 27, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Furthermore,

If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them.Leviticus 20:13

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 7:03 p.m.
tifosi said...

How many times has the Bible been translated by man? Remember when we were kids and we would whisper something into another's ear and they would tell it to the next. By the time the 20th kid was whispered to, the story was different. Things that make you go hmmmm...

June 27, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

Furthermore,

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor HOMOSEXUALS, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 1Corinthians 6:9-10

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 7:10 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Seems to me the nation is trending secular by leaps and bounds."

And what some of you refuse to see is that this nation has always been secular with religion separated from Governmental laws.

"Yet you wannabe bygawdintellectuals still fear the religion."

I love religion. I live a very religious life. But I don't want to live in any nation where religious influence by some, is reflected in so much as one law that Government imposes on us all.

How far and which religious platform are we to accept as guidance if our laws are based on any such religion?

If Catholicism is accepted by Government, will all churches be forced to have Priests and Nuns? Will everyone have to honor Sunday as the Sabbath day?

If Baptists are in charge of making the laws, will alcohol be outlawed?

Let's put the Mormons in charge and everyone must wear special undergarments.

Seventh Day Adventists? No real meat. Only veggies and tofu for everyone. Sunday services will be no more. From sundown Friday to Sundown Saturday, no T.V., no eating out, no nothing but family time and church.

Religion has a place in our society, and it never, ever has belonged in Governmental affairs. Religious choice, practiced far and away from anything having to do with our laws, has served this nation well for 237 years and counting.

Be very careful what some of you wish for. You might get much more or nothing at all you desire.

June 27, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Who's wishing for what, Alpo? I don't see any movement to indicated a theocracy is upon us. Quite the contrary, actually.

June 27, 2013 at 7:15 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

YOU wrote :

"Jesus cannot be God"

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 7:18 p.m.
alprova said...

ytifosi wondered: "How many times has the Bible been translated by man? Remember when we were kids and we would whisper something into another's ear and they would tell it to the next. By the time the 20th kid was whispered to, the story was different. Things that make you go hmmmm.."

The Bible has been translated into 518 languages still in existence and scripture originated in 2,798 differing languages that are mostly now extinct.

The modern day Bible goes back some 450 years, which essentially means that no one alive can attest with any confidence where it came from or who had a hand in its creation, its editing, its amending, or so much as one word contained in it.

Estimates are no less than 3,700 people have had a hand in what we all read today and that is considered by some to be "God's word."

That's a lot of "Gods," if you ask me.

June 27, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

YOU wrote:

"The idea that we are to accept a mass-murderer as an object of worship doesn't reflect well upon Christians at all. If he murdered nearly every human on the planet, God is far more heinous than Hitler. Yet Christians are to willfully worship him without question. Why?"

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 7:31 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Who's wishing for what, Alpo? I don't see any movement to indicated a theocracy is upon us. Quite the contrary, actually."

Really? What was at work the other night when a Texas Democratic Senator had to stand in front of an entire nation and speak until midnight?

What is at work when the Governor of that state has vowed to call for another special session of Congress to repeat a call for legislation that will shut down all but four abortion providers in that state?

What is behind legislative initiative after initiative that has been introduced that encompasses moral issues?

Do you know how to recognize an item on that agenda?

The word "Anti" precedes it.

Anti-abortion, anti-gay marriage, anti-prostitution, anti-gambling, anti-assisted suicide, anti-women equality, etc.

June 27, 2013 at 7:42 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova and others.....so sorry secular humanists but our founding fathers DID have God on their mind and in their hearts when they wrote our founding documents. That's all folks and you can't do a damn thing about it. America is one nation under God and if you don't like it get out now!

June 27, 2013 at 7:42 p.m.
alprova said...

Who was it that believed that conservative doesn't judge or condemn others?

I'm not responding to you conservative, unless you have any proof that one word I have every typed into this forum, is incorrect, false, or misleading in any manner.

Every word I have ever typewritten into this forum about the Bible, can be read by anyone who so desires to read it for themselves.

You are not in charge of my soul, have not an ounce of insight into my soul, and have no authority to condemn my soul to hell.

Type whatever you wish. It is and always has been of no consequence.

June 27, 2013 at 7:48 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

YOU wrote :

"Your belief in the Bible as a literal work of God locks you into the belief that God is a mass-murder, whether you admit it or not. My belief that the Bible is not the word of God, and instead is the work of many men, frees me from that belief."

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 7:49 p.m.
Maximus said...

I just hope Obama can make everything fair and mediocre so that no one, not any one, will ever, ever get their feelings hurt again except of course for aborted babies. They do have feelings you know..........:(

June 27, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

YOU wrote :

"Did Jesus deceive or lie? One instance in the New Testament seems to offer that he did"

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.
Maximus said...

Alprova, how long has it been since you went to Temple and listened to your Rabi speak?

June 27, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

YOU wrote :

"And again, you fail to include the scripture I cited that proves that Jesus himself did not consider himself to be perfect and without sin."

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
alprova said...

Maximus wrote: "Alprova and others.....so sorry secular humanists but our founding fathers DID have God on their mind and in their hearts when they wrote our founding documents."

I have no doubt that the founding fathers were all likely religious, and may have even been of one mind when it came to religion.

But, having come to this country from one who practiced religious persecution for those with differing religious beliefs, they took great care to craft the documents necessary to prevent such a thing from ever occurring in this nation.

"That's all folks and you can't do a damn thing about it."

Oh, but so many HAVE done plenty about it and will continue to see to it that religion never takes root in the formation of our laws.

"America is one nation under God and if you don't like it get out now!"

Secularism is going nowhere. If religious fundamentalists, or someone who like yourself, seems to be a Christian-in-name-only, don't like it, you can buy a boat, sail it to the uninhabited island of your choice, and form your own nation "under God."

I'm sure I'll be around in one form or another in a couple of hundred years, when people of differing beliefs inhabit your newfound nation. How many wars will you have fought and how many will have died to preserve those religious ideals, when people tire of those thumbs?

June 27, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

YOU wrote :

"Did Jesus deceive or lie? One instance in the New Testament seems to offer that he did."

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
tifosi said...

Nowhere in the U.S. Constitution does it mention God. Yet it has guided this great nation for 237 years.

June 27, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
tifosi said...

I think that Conservative thinks he is God. The way that he passes judgment you would think we are all at the Pearly Gates.

June 27, 2013 at 8:04 p.m.
alprova said...

Maxipad wrote: "Alprova, how long has it been since you went to Temple and listened to your Rabi speak?"

Never been to a temple and I've never met a Rabbi.

How long has it been since you bought or sold your last business?

http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/2013/jun/20/evidence-room-cartoon-clay-bennett-times/?opinioncartoons#c234519

June 27, 2013 at 8:04 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. 2Peter 1:20-21

YOU wrote :

"The books of the Bible were written by many men. Their testimonies are NOT GOD's word. They are their own. Once you begin to understand that, and learn the details of the lives of the many authors, grasping what is you are reading comes much easier."

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 8:06 p.m.
alprova said...

Connie made a feeble attempt.

How many of those men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke English? How many of them wrote in any language in existence today?

The prophesy of scripture read in any English Bible is entirely and utterly a matter of interpretation.

Even that very verse of scripture was interpreted into English.

Can you not begin to see the irony in what you have just offered?

I'm sure you believe that Jesus was as white as you are, spoke perfect English, and drove a Pinto on his travels.

Good grief...

June 27, 2013 at 8:15 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

alpo: You seem to have a hard on for anyone disagreeing with you. Many of the "anti" items you mention are not religion based. Be secular. That's your right. But don't condemn other views and tie them necessarily to religion. Some on here may be anti-Alpo, but it has nothing to do with religion.

June 27, 2013 at 8:15 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"dawg: I. do. not. believe. it." --Plain Truth

Jack Rebus Truth, I don't give a tinker's damn. You brought up the issue of multiple screen names, not me. If you want to provide evidence proving that I have posted on any TFP forum as anyone other than GratefulDawg, go for it. Otherwise, you are throwing out accusations against someone without any proof. I seem to remember you whining incessantly a little while ago when accusations you deemed baseless were leveled at you. Yet here you are doing the exact same thing. Perhaps it's time for yet another new handle Jackie.

June 27, 2013 at 8:20 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

But know this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. 2Peter 1:20-21

YOU wrote :

"Thus, the verse you offer up as proof that Jesus never committed sin or deceived anyone, is merely the author's opinion, and nothing more."

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 8:22 p.m.
degage said...

Al, We get the separation thing. Now explain why Christians are not allowed a nativity on their own property and Muslims can close down Madison ave in NYC on Fridays for prayers and no one says anything. Are you OK with that? I believe it is a double standard, the politically correct don't want to anger the Muslim community, it might hurt their feelings. Go after all Christians but leave the muslims alone.

June 27, 2013 at 8:28 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

YOU wrote :

"You see, I have many questions for God, which I think are most justified, if he once emptied Earth of millions of lives for any reason whatsoever. You believe, I'm sure, that he can take each of our lives in an instant."

And you claim that you are a Christian because?

June 27, 2013 at 8:36 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "alpo: You seem to have a hard on for anyone disagreeing with you."

Not at all. These days I laugh at people and some of their chosen beliefs.

"Many of the "anti" items you mention are not religion based."

For everyone? That may be true, but the vast majority of people who have those things on their lists are due to their religious beliefs.

"Be secular. That's your right."

Secularism is guaranteed by the Constitution. It's a little more than a right.

"But don't condemn other views and tie them necessarily to religion."

By all means, elaborate if you dare.

"Some on here may be anti-Alpo, but it has nothing to do with religion."

That wasn't on the list, now was it?

June 27, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, We get the separation thing. Now explain why Christians are not allowed a nativity on their own property and Muslims can close down Madison ave in NYC on Fridays for prayers and no one says anything."

Can you truly cite any instance where a Christian was denied the right to erect a nativity scene on privately owned property?

Weekly prayers on Madison Avenue? I believe you have been duped by the rumor mill;

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/m/Muslim-Day-NYC.htm#.UczmHL0xfZ4

June 27, 2013 at 9:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Grateful dawg said "Jack Rebus Truth, I don't give a tinker's damn." Pretty interesting for a guy that's only been posting here for a few days, no? You pitiful fraud

June 27, 2013 at 9:37 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Pretty interesting for a guy that's only been posting here for a few days, no? You pitiful fraud"

You really should have checked before you typed the above.

Gratefuldawg has been around since November 7, 2012.

June 27, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

why, thanks, Alpy. He's still lying

June 27, 2013 at 9:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

You savvy lying don't you Alpy? like what YOU and Easy did to me. Got it?

June 27, 2013 at 9:56 p.m.
fairmon said...

Being a bible scholar, reading and the ability to quote scripture and elaborate and opine on what is written DOES NOT a Christian make. A true Christian does not have to proclaim they are a Christian, it is evident. Being a good person and doing good work or proclaiming sympathy for those without does not make one a Christian. Those so sure of themselves may be shocked to hear the words I know you not.

Married Christians have no qualms about discriminating against those preferring to be single. Many of those same people don't think gays should be able to marry. They want it their greedy selfish way in all matters.

June 27, 2013 at 10:09 p.m.
fairmon said...

You will not find the words separation of church and state in the constitution. It is clear that the government will not impose on the people any religion. The SCOTUS ruling with those words has been carried to an extreme which in time may prove to be a blessing.

June 27, 2013 at 10:15 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "He's still lying"

Why even worry about it?

"You savvy lying don't you Alpy? like what YOU and Easy did to me. Got it?"

I thought that was water under the bridge. I apologized for my part in that incident and you accepted it.

Did I misunderstand you?

June 27, 2013 at 10:31 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

Jackie Truth with a swing, and a miss. I have been around long enough to see three different versions of you. Alprova caught your first bit of misinformation concerning me and called it to your attention. Did you man up and do a mea culpa? Of course not, you weasled out and whimpered "He's still lying". No proof offered. No names named.

Jackie, given that you proved yourself to have zero credibility in short order in this little back-and-forth, I will not waste any further time bickering with you. If you choose to continue with the bold-faced lying and baseless accusations, then by all means continue with the character suicide.

Offer proof. Name names. Or STFU. "You pitiful fraud."

June 27, 2013 at 10:37 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Married Christians have no qualms about discriminating against those preferring to be single."

Quite frankly, I seriously doubt that Christians or those who are married, enter into any mindset about the tax implications experienced by those who prefer to be single.

"Many of those same people don't think gays should be able to marry."

Yes, but it is not due to any consideration that they will join them in receiving lower rates of taxation.

"They want it their greedy selfish way in all matters."

Excuse me, but as a single person who has been whining about the issue of increased taxation issue for quite sometime now, how are you exempt from being greedy or selfish in your complaints?

June 27, 2013 at 10:37 p.m.

There is a double standard in this country regarding Christians and Muslims. Muslims are off limits when it comes to criticism, but Christians are constantly attacked.

June 27, 2013 at 10:50 p.m.
alprova said...

When the day comes that Muslims attempt to infiltrate a political party to further their agenda, then let's be sure to revisit your complaint. Muslims are not doing much of anything but trying to be allowed to participate in their religion of choice.

Some Christians however, are very much attempting to seize the power of Government to force their agendas on the entire nation.

Therefore, it would be nice if Christians would focus on their religion of choice and leave the politics to the politicians.

If they did that, they might find the criticism receding quite a bit.

June 27, 2013 at 11:05 p.m.

Mr. Alprova, you're not that good. Your last post proves my point. Utter nonsense. Islam is the religion of bullying.

June 27, 2013 at 11:08 p.m.

"attempting to seize the power of government to force their agendas on the entire nation"

You mean like Islam? Look around the world. You mean like leftists and their wacko enviro religion and statist agenda.

Ridiculous

June 27, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I fear Alpy has gone around the bend.

June 27, 2013 at 11:24 p.m.
Maximus said...

I just hope that Alprova's Godless politicians can make everything fair and no one, not anybody will ever ever get their feelings hurt again not even the gays. Of course those Americans that never get a chance to pursue their dreams due to abortion get their feelings hurt really bad!

How about the IRS gangster, David Roseman that took the Fifth today during a Congessional hearing? Wow, did he look like a wise guy alcoholic or what? While Barry is on his $100 million dollar African vaca don't forget about the IRS scandal. Does the IRS employ only liberal Jews? The Danny Wuerful guy is as gay as Alprova. Wow, I guess it makes sense, if you can't get a job in the private sector what do you do......work fo da guvment!

June 27, 2013 at 11:33 p.m.

I think so. I don't see Christians threatening to behead anyone who doesn't convert or simply doesn't agree with them. In the year 2013 there's only one religion in the world that does that. Christians are using what's available to them to push things that they believe in in the political system we have, just like other groups, enviro-wackos, commies, socialists, feminists and so on. Muslims are the only religion still intent on taking over entire countries by any means possible.
Get real.

June 27, 2013 at 11:34 p.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "Mr. Alprova, you're not that good."

Oh yes I am.

"Your last post proves my point."

And what point was that? That Muslims deserve to be criticized? For what may I ask?

"Utter nonsense."

Then please offer some sense that disproves that which I offered.

"Islam is the religion of bullying."

How so? How have you been personally bullied by a Muslim?

June 27, 2013 at 11:35 p.m.

My gosh, do you want me to pick out an example going back to, say, 600 a.d on up..just because I havent' been bullied doesn't mean it doesn't go on everyday. You can't be serious. I could sit here all day long for the rest of my life and give examples.

June 27, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.

Go read some history, ancient, recent and current. Islam is a nightmare for women, non-believers, and anyone else who gets in their way.

June 27, 2013 at 11:43 p.m.

What do you think 9/11 was? It's bullying using airplanes as weapons. Do I need to go on? What about the girls killed in Afghanistan for just going to school? Sorry, you have nothing' to stand on. Islam stands alone in the year 2013 as the religion of bullying.

June 27, 2013 at 11:48 p.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "You mean like Islam? Look around the world."

Sir, your earlier complaint surrounded an alleged "double standard in this country regarding Christians and Muslims."

When confronted on that, you are now changing your story to cite the world as evidence that there is a double standard?

I will stipulate that in other countries, Muslims are definitely an issue of contention. Why is that? Because in those countries where Muslims are bullies, it is due to the fact that religious influence in Government is quite evident and they are the majority religion in those same nations.

While Christianity is the predominant religion in this nation, not all Christians share the same belief system. Would it surprise you to learn which religion tops all others?

Catholics far outnumber every Baptist, every Methodist, every Mormon, and every member of the Church of God, which are the top five Christian religions in the United States.

Are you prepared to allow the Catholics, since they seem to outnumber us all, to dominate the lawmaking process of this entire nation? Would you be a-okay with an outlawing of all other Christian religions to make way for a national religion that forces us all to adopt Catholicism?

If the door is opened to that possibility, there would be no stopping it. Muslims in this nation come to about 1% of the population. That's it.

Your fears are highly misplaced and quite silly.

June 27, 2013 at 11:53 p.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "I don't see Christians threatening to behead anyone who doesn't convert or simply doesn't agree with them."

I dare offer that not one Muslim in this nation has so much as threatened to behead a soul in this nation nor are they inclined to attempt to convert people nearly as frequently as some Christians are.

"In the year 2013 there's only one religion in the world that does that."

Oh...I'm sure if you were to do just a minimal amount of research, you might discover that people have been beheaded right here within these borders, although it may not have necessarily been for religious reasons.

"Christians are using what's available to them to push things that they believe in in the political system we have, just like other groups, enviro-wackos, commies, socialists, feminists and so on."

That statement is quite childish and it looks like something that Rush Limbaugh would type. Are you a fan by chance?

"Muslims are the only religion still intent on taking over entire countries by any means possible."

And Sir, Christian extremists are no different.

"Get real."

You'd be wise to take your own advice.

June 28, 2013 at 12:03 a.m.
acerigger said...

I tend to agree with Mahatma Gandhi,when he said,"I like your Christ,I do not like your Christians.Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."

(al,you rock!)

June 28, 2013 at 12:06 a.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "My gosh, do you want me to pick out an example going back to, say, 600 a.d on up.."

Anything you could cite going back anytime at all would have nothing at all to do with Muslims who reside in THIS country, which was your original rant.

"just because I havent' been bullied doesn't mean it doesn't go on everyday."

In THIS country?

"You can't be serious. I could sit here all day long for the rest of my life and give examples."

In THIS country?

June 28, 2013 at 12:08 a.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "Go read some history, ancient, recent and current. Islam is a nightmare for women, non-believers, and anyone else who gets in their way."

Not in THIS country, it isn't.

June 28, 2013 at 12:10 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Gotta love our pious conservative Christians here who selectively post scripture about what they claim their god denounces. They quote the "abomination" of homosexuality but seem to ignore god's command that: Anyone who attacks his mother or father must be put to death (Exodus 21:15).

Anyone who curses his mother or father must be put to death (Leviticus 20:9).

Anyone who commits murder must be put to death (Leviticus 24:17).

Anyone who commits adultery must be put to death (Deuteronomy 22:22).

Anyone who commits perjury must be put to death (Deuteronomy 19:18-19).

Anyone who commits kidnapping must be put to death (Exodus 21:16).

Anyone who disobeys a judge or priest must be put to death (Deuteronomy 17:12).

Anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death (Exodus 35:2).

Anyone who does not worship God must be put to death (2 Chronicles 15:13).

Any strangers approaching a sanctuary must be put to death (Numbers 17:7).

Any prophet who tries to turn you against God must be put to death (Deuteronomy 13:5).

Any prophet who makes a wrong prediction must be put to death (Deuteronomy 18:20-22).

Family members who tempt you with other gods must be put to death (Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

If an ox gores someone, the ox and its owner must be stoned to death (Exodus 21:29).

Anyone who claims to talk with spirits must be stoned to death (Leviticus 20:27).

A stubborn and rebellious son must be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 21:18-21).

Any woman who has had premarital sex must be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 22:21).

Anyone who worships another god must be stoned to death (Deuteronomy 17:2-7).

Anyone who curses or blasphemes must be stoned to death (Leviticus 24:14-16).

If a city worships other gods, kill everyone in it and burn it (Deuteronomy 13:12-16).

Not to mention god's commands to rape, pillage, and murder. Gee you guys are sure selective about your bible and what or who is morally correct.

June 28, 2013 at 12:15 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

alpo, That's what they said in Europe a decade or 2 ago.

June 28, 2013 at 12:15 a.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "What do you think 9/11 was? It's bullying using airplanes as weapons. Do I need to go on?"

I'm afraid that you will.

The 19 9/11 hijackers were not United States citizens, number one. They were not mainstream followers of Islam, number two. And I know of no one who has even attempted to defend what they did in the name of Allah.

"What about the girls killed in Afghanistan for just going to school?"

What does that have to do with Muslims who reside in this nation, who practice their religion peacefully, without any attempts to influence our political processes, and without any interference in allowing the American people to practice the religion of their choice?

"Sorry, you have nothing' to stand on."

Quite the contrary. I have shredded every point you have attempted to make. You have tried repeatedly to offer examples that have nothing at all to do with your original rant.

Does it feel good to be standing in a bowl full of Jello?

"Islam stands alone in the year 2013 as the religion of bullying."

Not in THIS country. In THIS country, people are uncomfortable around many Christians.

June 28, 2013 at 12:19 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "alpo, That's what they said in Europe a decade or 2 ago."

And? Europe has not had any increase in Muslim related violence than we have. In fact, Europe has a long way to go to catch up to us.

With the exception of 9/11, which was not at the hands of so much as one mainstream Muslim, and for a couple of murders that are no more or less heinous than murders that have been committed by some of our own home grown, God fearing self-proclaimed Christians, Muslims are far and above IN THIS COUNTRY are more peaceful than their Christian counterparts.

June 28, 2013 at 12:31 a.m.
alprova said...

hotdiggity is quite correct.

If every word in the Bible was followed and honored by every Christian, every single day of the week, it would be hard to tell any one of us from Muslim terrorists.

We might even be more violent and murderous.

June 28, 2013 at 12:33 a.m.
acerigger said...

Al,seems you've run 'em plumb off!

Baffled their collective ass,every one of them.

June 28, 2013 at 1:01 a.m.
alprova said...

I hope the thought of all those murderous Muslims walking up and down the streets at night doesn't keep them up all night acerigger.

June 28, 2013 at 1:56 a.m.
acerigger said...

Were that all that keeps those folks up at night!

they're a scared bunch.I don't have to post links to the studies that have been done to show that they live in a little bubble.

June 28, 2013 at 2:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said..

Excuse me, but as a single person who has been whining about the issue of increased taxation issue for quite sometime now, how are you exempt from being greedy or selfish in your complaints?

Is wanting equal non-discriminating treatment greedy? I have pointed our wasteful spending which is abundant. However, I have said many times taxes should be increased enough with all citizens participating to equal spending regardless of the tax levels required. Until someone is faced with the reality of their spendable income their life style will not change.

Surely you don't believe gay marriage and obtaining a state license has anything to do with "being in love" like in the movies? Where do the bible quoters find anything that says two people must have a state license or government issued anything to be married?

Was the issue and ruling not that those married in states where gay marriage is legal can also participate in the discrimination against singles? Or, stated another way they can participate in the governments favoritism and all other incentives for marriage? Governments should not be in the business of promoting marriage any more than they should be in the business of promoting religion.

June 28, 2013 at 5:16 a.m.
fairmon said...

The courts and politicians like to point out how the constitution prevents a majority from dictating to or abusing a minority. We are a republic not a democracy where the majority rules in all matters. However, the gays have an all court press on to join the majority so they can participate in the discrimination against the unmarried minority.

June 28, 2013 at 5:28 a.m.
degage said...

Al, Did you forget about the muslim father that killed his two daughters because they liked boys he disapproved of? That and others have happened in this country, Canada and England and of course all muslim country. Maybe no beheadings but these were just as brutal to those murdered.

June 28, 2013 at 6:17 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Al has sand in his eyebrows.

June 28, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.
tifosi said...

Al, Right-wing Christian extremists don't behead others. They chain them to the back of a truck and drag them down a Texas dirt road.

June 28, 2013 at 7:16 a.m.
tifosi said...

"Additionally, the cross was henceforth a representation of the Klan's Christian message. Thus. its lighting during meetings was often accompanied by prayer, the singing of hymns, and other overtly religious symbolism."

June 28, 2013 at 7:23 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

tifosi says "Al, Right-wing Christian extremists don't behead others. They chain them to the back of a truck and drag them down a Texas dirt road." You're right, tifosi. Christian extremists are right on par with Islamic fundamentalists. Brilliant comparison.

June 28, 2013 at 7:31 a.m.
degage said...

tifosi, Senator Byrd, Klans big shot, was a democrat. So were his buddies.

June 28, 2013 at 7:32 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tifosi: Know any klan members? I don't either. Apples to kumquats.

June 28, 2013 at 7:49 a.m.
tifosi said...

PlainTruth. Yes and they are in PlainSight. Seen any Confederate flags? Oh yeah... it's a heritage thing. Bull Shyte.

They just had a gathering in east TN. http://www.wbir.com/news/article/233696/2/Supremacist-groups-to-meet-in-East-Tennessee

"We're now 3½ years into a resurgence of right-wing extremism in the United States," he said. "Compared to four years ago, the white supremacist movement is more agitated. There aren't more white supremacists than there were four years ago, but the ones who are, are hopping mad."

Forget the beheading... http://www.cnn.com/US/9807/06/dragging.death.02/

June 28, 2013 at 9:05 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Tifosi, anyone displaying a rebel flag is a Klan member?

June 28, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.

Give it up, lefties, you'll never convince anyone that Islam is a religion of peace. It has a consistant track record of violence toward non-believers going back to 600 a.d. There's no sign of it stopping any time soon. Sanctioned violence against women, girls, non-believers and anyone who has the audacity to criticize them.

June 28, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.

In the year 2013 there are countries/states dedicated to wiping out other countries and taking over the world, every one of them is and Islamist state. Get real. Argument over.

June 28, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Give it up, lefties, you'll never convince anyone that Islam is a religion of peace." - zableed

I am as leftie as they come but I stand firmly on the side of those who are very skeptical of any and all Muslims. Islam is less a religion than it is an ideology and political movement. Granted, there are peaceful Muslims who do not accept the antiquated practices and beliefs of the radical Muslims but the peaceful ones wear the label of Muslim more from cultural identity than from strict adherence to their religion. And the truly peaceful ones among them who are willing to embrace our Constitution and our democratic values need to take a more outspoken and forceful stance against the idiocy and barbarism of their jihadist counterparts.

Alprova, this statement from you couldn't be more wrong: "Europe has not had any increase in Muslim related violence than we have. In fact, Europe has a long way to go to catch up to us." Google "Muslim violence in Europe" or go to Youtube and search for anything concerning Muslims in Europe and you will not find anything positive about the rapidly growing Muslim population there. Islam is the fastest growing "religion" in the world and it has already changed the complexion of some of the major cities in Europe, where what was uniqely French or English or Swedish or German before is now drowned out by more and more Muslims making more and more demands that aspects of their Sharia law be observed and respected by their host government.

I accept people as they are and do not judge them based solely on their religious or political labels or skin color or sexual orientation. Any Muslim who is willing to assimilate and live in accordance with our Western democratic ways and laws is truly welcome here, but we need to maintain a watchful eye at all times for the insidious creeping spread of Islam. It IS INDEED taking place in Europe now, and when I see people as blind to it as you seem to be, Al, I have all the more reason to be alarmed that it can and probably will happen here in short order.

June 28, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
tifosi said...

"So Tifosi, anyone displaying a rebel flag is a Klan member?"

A lot of people see it that way, including me. It is the flag of a defeated enemy of the United States of America. It represents a confederacy of states that fought to keep the right to oppress other human beings. When certain members of the Confederacy refused to acknowledge the 13th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, they continued to carry the Stars & Bars under the leadership of Nathan Bedford Forrest, the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

June 28, 2013 at 12:54 p.m.
delmar said...

“God will hold everyone accountable for their deeds.” If only.

http://www.cathnewsusa.com/2013/06/vatican-rentboy-and-satanism-claims-revealed-by-priest/

June 28, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Regarding the Confederate flag:

I'm a white boy who was born in Alabama and raised in Tennessee. You can't get much more Southern than that. There is a lot about my Southern heritage that I like and many ways that life in the South is good. But I detest the very sight of the Confederate flag and all that it stands for. What's more I'm glad the North won the war. I can't imagine how god-awful our lives would be if the South had won. I'm sure that slavery would have ended eventually, under the weight of its own stinking corruption, but civil rights on a national scale would most likely have been delayed for decades at least. What's more, we surely would not have been united enough or strong enough as a divided nation to have defeated Hitler and Nazism.

When I hear rednecks say the Confederate flag does not represent slavery to them but pride in their Southern way of life and pride in their freedom to live in accordance to that way of life, I can only shake my head at what is either their utter stupidity or willful ignorance. The "way of life" that our Southern forebears engaged in was built around slavery. There is NOTHING anyone can say that makes that defensible. Certainly the war was not originally fought about slavery but rather the Southern states' egregious acts of secession. But nobody can deny that the Southerners' fear of losing their "right" to own slaves is what drove the secession in the first place.

The Confederate flag belongs in a museum, period. Anyone who displays it in public and claims that they are only showing pride in their Southern heritage and can't see how black people or people of conscience take offense at it is either a blatant liar or suffers from a severe case of arrested development.

June 28, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
tifosi said...

What Rickaroo said.

I too am a Southern white boy. Born and raised in Tennessee. My great-grandfather fought for the Confederacy and was a POW at Point Lookout, MD. I have copies of his prisoner of war release papers on my living room shelf, behind a bust of Abraham Lincoln. Those release papers has an oath on the back, where they had to re-swear their allegiance to the USA and would fully recognize all laws passed during the insurrection, including the abolishment of slavery. I am proud of much of my Southern heritage, but would just assume burn every Confederate flag. I am not sure it is even worthy of a museum. My great-grandfather was wrong to have fought against the United States of America.

June 28, 2013 at 2:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo: All may be true, but to say everone displaying the flag is a klansman is just BS.

June 28, 2013 at 2:37 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

PT, I do not think that everyone who waves or displays the Confederate flag is a klansman but whether they are or not, I have no more respect for them than I do of any klansman. No matter what that flag might mean to them, if they can't see how black people would take offense at it, and rightfully so, they need to have a serious reality check. Most of them like to say that they are only showing pride in their heritage but it's possible to be proud of the good aspects of one's heritage without waving the symbol of the negative aspects of that heritage in the faces of those whose ancestors were so persecuted, tortured, and humiliated by it.

Confederate flag wavers might not all be klansmen, but they are as despicable and redneck-ish as any klansman. If it is their pride they are trying to display it is the wrong sort of pride, driven by defiance.

June 28, 2013 at 2:51 p.m.
tifosi said...

They may as well be flying the Nazi flag as far as I am concerned. A defeated enemy of the United States of America.

Plaintruth... you gave me the impression that you don't even think there are any Klan members around anymore.

June 28, 2013 at 2:51 p.m.
jesse said...

The klan is just about history! The feds had so many undercover dudes in it in the 70 and 80's a real klansman couldn't hide long enough to take a leak!

The right wing subversives of nowdays are the militias and skin head outfits like the Aryan nation!

June 28, 2013 at 3:28 p.m.

I find the rainbow/gay flag to be revolting, speaking of flags. What does it say? Does is it say, hey, look at me I want everyone to know that I love putting a square peg in a round hole, and I'm proud of it? Proud of what, a sexual act? Ridiculous.

I'm tired of the poop shoot bunch and Muslims being treated like sacred cows. OOOO we're special we worship the anus and the penis and we want everyone to know it. Or, in regards to Muslims, anything goes because we worship Allah and we can do whatever we want to those who don't believe.

June 28, 2013 at 3:38 p.m.

It's absolutely embarrassing how this country's politicians and media just cater and kiss up to the "gay community", illegal alien, enviro-wackos, muslims and abortion lovers. I don't see how this country could possibly last another 237 years, no way. Guess we're just trying to mimik the fall of Rome. We're not defending our borders, we're propping up deviant and immoral behavior, we're sacrificing our unborn, and we're not taking our enemies seriously. Great job. What an example we're setting. Gag.

June 28, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"The klan is just about history! The feds had so many undercover dudes in it in the 70 and 80's a real klansman couldn't hide long enough to take a leak!" --jesse

I vaguely remember from my youth, it was around '74 or '75, a KKK chapter in Blairsville, Georgia being exposed. This particular chapter had seven members and three of them were plants. While I recognize that the Klan is a deplorable group, they are nothing more than toothless tigers as hate groups in America are concerned.

June 28, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
fairmon said...

What a bunch of discriminating hypocrites to be found here, must all be married or wanting to be. Not one acknowledges that singles are discriminated against through the tax codes and other means. Not one has justified a single person paying a higher tax rate or higher health care premiums even though there is no survivor cost or benefit for a single person. No wonder gays want to join the majority and take advantage of the minority. I would not be surprised to see straight singles that are planning to stay single get a license just for the benefits and advantages afforded the marrieds for no just cause.

Surely people don't believe gay marriage and obtaining a state license has anything to do with "being in love" like in the movies? Where do you find in the bible that it says two people must have a state license or government issued anything to be married? The gay agenda is to use and take advantage of the system politicians have created and married people condone so without getting on a moral soap box there can be no valid objection to gay marriage. Either take away the incentive or suck it up and live with it.

June 28, 2013 at 4:31 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Roo: Pretty narrow thinking from a broad minded, tolerant, lib. I'm no fan of the Klan, but, as you libs like to say, "don't paint with so broad a brush". (with respect to the flag)

Tifosi: Don't be so hard on gramps. Many southern soldiers would not have known a slave if they ran into one. They were given the "states rights" argument and believed it.

June 28, 2013 at 4:52 p.m.
tifosi said...

Tifosi: Don't be so hard on gramps. Many southern soldiers would not have known a slave if they ran into one. They were given the "states rights" argument and believed it.

I will agree with you. Rich southern plantation owners took advantage of the poor and uneducated. Convinced them the North would ruin them.

Here is a picture of prisoners at Point Lookout, MD swearing their allegiance to the USA. They have their hands on the Bible and Old Glory is hanging from the ceiling. One of them could have been my great-grandfather.

http://photos.somd.com/data/591/ae00007v.jpg

June 28, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

"I will agree with you. Rich southern plantation owners took advantage of the poor and uneducated. Convinced them the North would ruin them." --tifosi

It has been argued that the conscription acts instituted by Jefferson Davis did more to break the back of the CSA than Sherman's march to the sea did. Once the phrase "rich man's war, poor man's fight" became commonplace across the South, morale was shot and defeat inevitable.

It's hard to imagine a time in America when war profiteers benefited on the backs of the working class...Or not.

June 28, 2013 at 5:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Great pic, tifosi.

June 28, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Is wanting equal non-discriminating treatment greedy?"

If the biggest thing on your mind is paying more in taxes because you are single, then you know how to fix it.

"I have pointed our wasteful spending which is abundant."

And what good is it going to do to complain about it? Our Representatives are going to do whatever they want, no matter who complains about it.

"However, I have said many times taxes should be increased enough with all citizens participating to equal spending regardless of the tax levels required."

Sir, your living expenses are not what they are for those who are married with children. I know you don't care about that simple fact, but that is the reality of the situation. Taxing everyone the same would present an increased burden on those with more mouths to feed.

You're not going to change the system to satisfy yourself, so either deal with it or get married.

"Surely you don't believe gay marriage and obtaining a state license has anything to do with "being in love" like in the movies? Where do the bible quoters find anything that says two people must have a state license or government issued anything to be married?"

For some it does. For some, they are seeking spousal benefits. I do however, seriously doubt that saving on income taxes is behind their desire to marry.

"Was the issue and ruling not that those married in states where gay marriage is legal can also participate in the discrimination against singles?"

Clearly, you are hung up on your personal tax situation.

"Or, stated another way they can participate in the governments favoritism and all other incentives for marriage? Governments should not be in the business of promoting marriage any more than they should be in the business of promoting religion."

Harp, you really need to come to grips with some simple reality. You're not going to find a great deal of sympathy for your taxation gripe. People out there are struggling to make ends meet, raise their families, and are paying what they owe in taxes.

By your own admission, you are not hurting for money. So what's your gripe?

June 28, 2013 at 7:35 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, Did you forget about the muslim father that killed his two daughters because they liked boys he disapproved of?"

It was one daughter and no, I didn't forget about it. Go back and read what I wrote. I said that there were a couple of murders that have happened by American-Muslims.

"Maybe no beheadings but these were just as brutal to those murdered."

Sir, there are thousands of Americans murdered every year. Each and every one of them is brutal. Most of them are killed by one of their fellow Americans...not Muslims.

June 28, 2013 at 7:40 p.m.
alprova said...

Z wrote: "Give it up, lefties, you'll never convince anyone that Islam is a religion of peace."

You need to rephrase that statement to keep it accurate. Nobody will ever convince YOU that Islam is a religion of peace.

You do not speak for everyone else. Some of us have some sense and live in reality.

"It has a consistant track record of violence toward non-believers going back to 600 a.d. There's no sign of it stopping any time soon. Sanctioned violence against women, girls, non-believers and anyone who has the audacity to criticize them."

Then you might want to drop your little tirade. They might come to get you next.

June 28, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo: After reading millions of your words, it seems to me you simply love to argue. If X says black, you say white. It's almost to the point of weirdness, Alpy. Just a friendly observation.

June 28, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
tifosi said...

Sorry to stay off-topic everyone, but bear with me.

PlainTruth: Since you enjoyed the pic, I thought you might enjoy reading the allegiance they swore to in the pic. Great stuff.

                             Oath and Parole

"I do solemnly swear, in the presence of Almighty God, that I will henceforth faithfully support, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, and the Union of the States thereunder; and that I will in like manner abide by and faithfully support all acts of Congress passed during the existing rebellion with reference to slaves, so long and so far as not repealed, modified or held void by Congress, or by decision of the Supreme Court; and that I will in like manner abide by and faithfully support all proclamations of the President made during the existing rebellion; having reference to slaves, so long and so far as not modified or declared void by decision of the Supreme Court, - So help me God; and I give my solemn parole of honor to be enforced according to military law, that I will hold no correspondence with, or afford any aid or comfort to any enemies opposers of the United States, save as an act of humanity, to administer to the necessities of individuals, who are in sickness or distress; and I solemnly declare that this Oath and Parole is taken and given freely and willingly, without any mental reservation or evasion whatever, and with full intention to keep the same."

June 28, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
alprova said...

Rickaroo, you are free to buy into all the right-wing sites that are spreading rumors and hate about the religion of Islam, and you are free to discount it as a viable religion. I can't stop you from adopting any belief you so desire.

The fact of the matter is that any protests that degenerate into violence, is mostly in response to laws passed that prevent Muslims from practicing their religion in their host countries.

That is why we are not experiencing issues here in the U.S.

We allow Muslims to be Muslims. We do not tell them what they are allowed to wear in public. We do not, with a couple of moronic exceptions, prevent them from building Mosques in the vicinity of a Christian Church.

Our rule of law prohibits some of the discriminations that have upset Muslims in other nations.

June 28, 2013 at 8:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tifosi: And if they signed, they would get fed. just kidding A nice oath, actually.

June 28, 2013 at 8:23 p.m.
degage said...

Al, No it was in texas and it was 2 daughters. He killed one in the frontof a friends taxi while the other was calling for help on her cell, she told 911 'my dad just killed my sister and he is going to kill me. He did just that then left the taxi there and walked away. I believe to this day they haven't found him, he has a network hiding him. the single one was in Arizona.

June 28, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "Alpo: After reading millions of your words, it seems to me you simply love to argue. If X says black, you say white."

If I were prone to changing my stances on issues of discussion, you might have a point. As it is, I am rather consistent in the positions I take and repeat.

This much I will give you. I do love to argue, but again, I am very consistent in my arguments. I am not all over the board, like some people.

June 28, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.
degage said...

The girl in Arizona was tied to a tree and hacked to death. He called it honor killing. Honor my azz.

June 28, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
alprova said...

On this issue of Islam, let's be clear.

Islam would never be my religion of choice. I know very little about it. I don't have any desire to learn more about it.

What I do know about Islam is that the vast majority of those who practice it, are no more prone to violence than Christians are.

The Bible, just like the Qu'ran, has many passages, that if they were carried out as written, that demand certain acts of violence from us toward sinners, as well as non-believers.

There are Muslim extremists and there are Christian extremists.

In this country, Christian extremists outnumber those who follow Islam. Are all Christian extremists prone to carrying out violent acts? No. Are all Muslim extremists prone to carrying out violent acts? No again.

George W. Bush sold this nation that the bogeyman carries a Qu'ran and has the desire to kill us all. Some of you still believe it.

Christianity has a deep and dark past of its own. Christianity may have evolved into a religion of peace and tranquility, but there are people who have done some rather sordid things in the name of God.

Religious extremism and disagreeable acts is not confined to followers of Islam, and it never has been.

June 28, 2013 at 8:48 p.m.
alprova said...

degage, if you insist, for every incident of a Muslim murdering members of their families here in the U.S., I'll dig up five links to murders of family members committed by someone who is tied in some manner to Christianity.

Want to play that game?

June 28, 2013 at 8:58 p.m.
tifosi said...

Tifosi: "And if they signed, they would get fed."

Actually no. They got a boat ride across Chesapeake Bay and a "good riddance". Southern sympathizers fed them once they got to Virginia. My great-grandfather rode a mule all the way back to Georgia.

June 28, 2013 at 9:20 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Sir, your living expenses are not what they are for those who are married with children. I know you don't care about that simple fact, but that is the reality of the situation. Taxing everyone the same would present an increased burden on those with more mouths to feed.

alprova...1-You have no idea what my living expenses which include $X,000 a month for an elderly mother. Regardless if they are lower that is not justification for paying a higher rate. 2-Who made the decision to have more mouths to feed? If they need welfare then call it that and treat it as welfare, quit hiding it in the tax system.

June 28, 2013 at 9:47 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "alprova...1-You have no idea what my living expenses which include $X,000 a month for an elderly mother."

I see. So you're not exactly single, are you?

If you provide more than half of the support, care, and transportation costs associated with the care for an elderly parent, you can claim them as a dependent. They don't even have to live with you. You can also file as Head of Household.

In fact, if you have been filing your taxes under the single rate as an unmarried person, as someone who pays for more than half of your living in a home, you could have been filing as Head of Household all along.

I urge you to read Publication 501 to see what you may or may not have been missing out on. Remember, if you haven't been taking advantage of tax deductions you were qualified to take, you can file amended returns for the three most recent tax years.

http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/publications/p501/ar02.html

"2-Who made the decision to have more mouths to feed? If they need welfare then call it that and treat it as welfare, quit hiding it in the tax system."

Like I said earlier, you're not going to find any sympathy from very many people to your particular gripe. People with families to feed, clothe, provide shelter for, and who are putting children through school, who most likely earn far less than you do, are in no position to pay any more in taxes.

They are probably about as concerned about you as it appears you are for them.

Lower taxes is welfare? That's deep...really deep.

June 28, 2013 at 11:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

I see. So you're not exactly single, are you?

I am very single and I know the tax laws which are of no help to me but which still would not be appropriate if they were.

alprova also said...

Like I said earlier, you're not going to find any sympathy from very many people to your particular gripe. People with families to feed, clothe, provide shelter for, and who are putting children through school, who most likely earn far less than you do, are in no position to pay any more in taxes.

They are probably about as concerned about you as it appears you are for them.

My point exactly, the majority, those married, are very willing to discriminate because someone made a different decision regarding marriage and to not have mouths to feed, educate etc. etc. Those with incomes more than mine also participate in the discrimination although they live in a huge house, drive fine cars and send their rug rats to private schools.

I do appreciate a response although your justification for the disparate treatment is weak you at least responded. There is a strange silence from the other hypocrites including those that object to gay marriage but are too greedy to address the root cause. I am disappointed you condone this maltreatment of a minority group since you are usually on the side of the under dog or those discriminated against.

June 29, 2013 at 12:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Lower taxes is welfare? That's deep...really deep.

Paying a lower rate than the percent set for the income level is by any other name still welfare. It is cleverly hidden and not acknowledged as such but when someone gets assistance from a government in any form for personal living expenses it is welfare.

June 29, 2013 at 12:13 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Why just one on the cake? Is he marrying himself? Is that next?

A reasonable Christian response to this kind of thing:

http://kuyperiancommentary.wordpress.com/author/apologus/

If the kuyperian statistics hold up, that "gay" men die 30 years younger than heterosexuals, then is their "gay" lifesyle more dangerous than soda pop? Is it worthy to be called a disease? Look, we Christians want all kinds of fornicators to repent. (The slippery slope didn't start with "gays", and they are and likely always will be a minority of sliders.) Love includes telling the truth, and repentance is required. If liberal bureaucrats find that "gay" behavior is worse for health than smoking or guns, may they be harsher than conservatives? One aspect of Obamacare has been found too expensive and dropped.

June 29, 2013 at 1:25 a.m.
degage said...

AL, I do insist, the names of the 2 girls are Sarah and Amina Said and their father is believed to be hiding in NYC. Also there was a mother and 3 daughters killed in NY, another honor killing. You are right, many others commit murder, but you claim some sort of Christianity to blame, you forgot atheist.

June 29, 2013 at 5:55 a.m.
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