published Saturday, March 2nd, 2013

Unity

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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AndrewLohr said...

United in liberty, or united at the point of an IRS gun?

March 2, 2013 at 12:11 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Perhaps "UNTIED WE STAND" is more appropriate? We continue to trip over our laces always talking about tying up the loose ends but never seeming to have the time or ability to do so.

Yesterday we heard our president talk about creating jobs. The jobs mentioned were for road construction workers and bridge builders. Now if he only had the intelligence to have uttered those words when first elected and created a works program instead of giving people 2 years of unemployment benefits knowing the states didn't have the money to pay back, he most certainly would have gone down in history as one of the great presidents. Our bridges would be repaired, our roads seeing the much needed improvements they need, new power plants being constructed to replace the dinosaurs we depend on in many cases, and removing this ethanol blight imposed upon Americans, replacing it with a sensible choice that is affordable for all.

We also listened as he spoke of wanting to help the middle class, {Whatever that is} and continue to push to raise the minimum wage so it is a wage families can live on. What??? He also wants to continue to allow college students to borrow obscene amounts of money so they can graduate from college, move back home with mom & dad and default on their loans because they cannot find a job. If only he was smart enough to have made these young men and women construction workers and bridge builders 4 years ago we instead would have a large group of employed well paid young people who didn't look to an inflated minimum wage as their lifeline to a simple existence. And instead of having a loan payment they would have a paycheck.

This president does not appear to be a very good community organizer.

                     "UNTIED WE STAND"
March 2, 2013 at 4:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

The small reduction in spending to slow down the rate of debt increase can be hardly noticeable. There may be a desire and plan to make them so unpopular that people will object loudly therefore justifying more taxing and spending or borrowing and spending. The end of March brings another stand off about spending levels, there is no end to the budget issue until some logical conclusion is reached by both parties, not a likely thing to happen.

March 2, 2013 at 7:36 a.m.
rumrunr said...

Lohr... in over forty years to paying taxes, i have never seen this mythical irs gun you speak of. Render unto ceasar what is ceasar's. give your god it's share and go about your life.

March 2, 2013 at 9:10 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Christians know that the sabbath is the sabbath and that Sunday is Sunday, the first day of the week, but of course you wouldn't know that and you wouldn't know why Christians worship on Sunday."

Oh, but I DO know why some Christians consider the sabbath day to be Sunday. Notice that I used the word "SOME" Christians. Take your nose out of the Bible for a few minutes and read the link I provided. It WAS written by a Christian by the way...just not YOUR kind of Christian.

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"Oh, but I DO know why some Christians consider the sabbath day to be Sunday."

I bet you do! I bet you also know some so called Christians who believe that Jesus was a sinful man just as you believe when you wrote:

"Ah...but there is proof that Jesus did indeed sin. In addition to saying that only God was good, he conspired to steal an animal that was not his to take"

What blasphemy! What a lie!

There is not one chance you are a Christian. You have only had some training in some cult that uses Christian terms to fool others.

"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." John Calvin

March 2, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
Lr103 said...

conservative, can you explain to everyone why was the Book Of Jubilee removed from the bible? It depicted Jesus as a very mischievous child who got into a lot of trouble, once even accused of blinding a teacher and throwing child from a rooftop, killing him then bringing him back to life. Today Jesus would have most certainly had a very serious juvenile record in this more modern/more civilized {cough! cough!} world.

March 2, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
conservative said...

Lr103:

I don't know anything about the "Book of Jubilee."

From what you have written it would be quite evident why it would never have been included in the cannon of Scripture recognized by Christians, much less removed.

March 2, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
fairmon said...

The sequester has become effective, signed into law by Obama. Are you ready for dirty air, dirty water, long airport lines, immigrants coming in illegally, reduced military spending and all those other terrible things? Will you be clamoring to pay more taxes and adding more government jobs?

An alternative that would work would be Adjust government payrolls and benefits to match those in the private sector for like work and reduce non additive and redundant positions. This would save more money than the sequester requires.

March 2, 2013 at 10:22 a.m.
conservative said...

Hey Ike, been waiting long?

“When wealth is lost, nothing is lost; when health is lost, something is lost; when character is lost, all is lost.” Billy Graham

March 2, 2013 at 10:29 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I guess Bennett thinks that if he cannot break off part of the population to loot his social aspirations will be hobbled. Typical progressive.

March 2, 2013 at 10:35 a.m.
lkeithlu said...

I guess you have lost all then, conservative.

March 2, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
fairmon said...

The laces are tied with mental giant Maxine Waters who warned you about reducing spending. There are about 135-140 million people with jobs in the U.S. She states emphatically that sequestration which is supported by those on the opposite side of the aisle will cost Americans 170 million jobs. She must have run out of time before she could explain how the unemployed number could be minus 30-40 million, less than zero, in the work force. I think this is the same brilliant lady that maintained the government could do a better of running the oil companies and should nationalize them if gas didn't get cheaper.

Does it not cause you to feel comfortable and safe with her in a position of power and influence? I watched her video and got this warm feeling then realized the warm feeling was where I had pissed my pants from the shock of what she was saying.

March 2, 2013 at 10:58 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova, you wrote :

"Hint, you will not find justification for a Sunday sabbath in the Bible."

So, now you are informing me after I informed you.

I wrote:

"Christians know that the sabbath is the sabbath and that Sunday is Sunday, the first day of the week, but of course you wouldn't know that and you wouldn't know why Christians worship on Sunday."

March 2, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova,

"Because, my pious, self-righteous foe, my relationship with God and his Son is a private matter and you don't have any say so whatsoever in it."

So, since you have repudiated Scripture and blasphemed the one and only true God, where do you get your instruction/teaching/revelation of your non Biblical god.

I will remind of what you wrote:

"Ah...but there is proof that Jesus did indeed sin. In addition to saying that only God was good, he conspired to steal an animal that was not his to take"

A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent.- John Calvin

March 2, 2013 at 1:14 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "I bet you do! I bet you also know some so called Christians who believe that Jesus was a sinful man just as you believe..."

Did I say that Jesus was a "sinful man?" No I did not. I said that he was not perfect and that he did commit what appears to be at least a couple of questionable acts that would be considered sin if you or I did them. There is a big difference.

I previously stated: "Ah...but there is proof that Jesus did indeed sin. In addition to saying that only God was good, he conspired to steal an animal that was not his to take"

"What blasphemy! What a lie!"

Sir, I have told you more than once that you need to learn the definition of blasphemy. That aside, please feel free to explain and excuse the taking of the donkey, if you dare, but my stance that it appears that he conspired to take a donkey without permission from the rightful owner is quite correct, as it is written in the Bible, not once, not twice, but three times.

"There is not one chance you are a Christian."

There is not one chance that I care what you think.

"You have only had some training in some cult that uses Christian terms to fool others."

But of course, you have done such a fine job of refuting each and every point that I have offered. Calling me a blasphemer and a liar five times a day is so much more convincing, eh?

"A dog barks when his master is attacked. I would be a coward if I saw that God's truth is attacked and yet would remain silent." John Calvin"

Ah yes...John Calvin...proof positive that religion has been responsible for division among humans than any other issue that can be cited.

March 2, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.
dude_abides said...

I used to think I'd never see the day when I agreed with tu_quoque on any subject... I still think that, but I used to, too.

"I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too." -Mitch Hedberg

March 2, 2013 at 7:45 p.m.
alprova said...

Lr103 wrote: "conservative, can you explain to everyone why was the Book Of Jubilee removed from the bible?"

The Book of Jubilees was never part of the modern Christian Bible. Although massive numbers of ancient scrolls exist of the book, when reading excerpts from it, one gets the impression that it was a first draft of the Book of Genesis.

"It depicted Jesus as a very mischievous child who got into a lot of trouble, once even accused of blinding a teacher and throwing child from a rooftop, killing him then bringing him back to life."

I hate to be contradictory, but there is no mention of Jesus in the Book of Jubilees, unless of course, you can point to any evidence to the contrary.

"Today Jesus would have most certainly had a very serious juvenile record in this more modern/more civilized {cough! cough!} world."

Again, while I do not believe that Jesus was absolutely perfect while he was alive and roamed the Earth, I would never go so far as to offer that he was a juvenile delinquent while growing up.

Mischievous? Sure. He was human. Without having committed one sin his entire life? No way.

The Book of Jubilees is a more detailed and sordid version of what eventually became Genesis. Adam and Eve's daughters are named in the book. The only complete version of the Book of Jubilees is written in Ethiopian.

March 2, 2013 at 8:10 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "I don't know anything about the "Book of Jubilee."

What you don't know, if written down, would contain as many pages as a printed copy of the Bible.

"From what you have written it would be quite evident why it would never have been included in the cannon of Scripture recognized by Christians, much less removed."

The 15 books, known as the Apocrypha, were removed from the English printings of the King James Bible in 1885 by the Archbishop of Canterbury, leaving only 66 books of the original 81.

The books of the New Testament were chosen by one man who was a servant of the Emperor Constantine and did that choosing to satisfy Constantine's agenda to completely reform early Christianity.

Besides the Apocryphal books eliminated from the Bible used by Protestant Church there are, at least, 28 other books mentioned in scripture, which do not appear in the Bible.

conservative, your ignorance surrounding the Bible is astounding, yet it is I who cannot, under any circumstance, be a Christian?

You're being played like a fiddle. Can you carry a tune too?

March 2, 2013 at 8:26 p.m.
Reardon said...

Conservative's on-going Alprova stalkage from cartoon after cartoon is becoming more than strange.

Please make it stop.

March 2, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova said...

conservative wrote: "I bet you do! I bet you also know some so called Christians who believe that Jesus was a sinful man just as you believe..."

Did I say that Jesus was a "sinful man?" No I did not. I said that he was not perfect and that he did commit what appears to be at least a couple of questionable acts that would be considered sin if you or I did them. There is a big difference.

I previously stated: "Ah...but there is proof that Jesus did indeed sin. In addition to saying that only God was good, he conspired to steal an animal that was not his to take"

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Well now, I see that you are trying to nuance your way out of your blasphemy but it is not going to work with me. You really are the insulting arrogant one aren't you?

I will grant that "sinful" man does carry the idea of habit. However, that does not diminish the point that you are a blasphemer. If Jesus had committed only/just one sin he would still be a sinner and unworthy to die for the sins of the whole world.

I know this is totally foreign to you but the fact still remains that Jesus was perfect and without sin. All Christians know this. This is the easiest indication that you are not a Christian. There is not one chance that you are a Christian.

You have the ability to do research to find out what Christianity is but you chose to go to anti Christian Godless sites to spread your lies. In that regard you are not deceived but are are an active enemy of the gospel and God.

alprova, it only takes ONE sin to be a sinner. You have made out Jesus to be a sinner and you don't even regret it. You have blasphemed God by comparing Him to Hitler as well. Some examples :

"The idea that we are to accept a mass-murderer as an object of worship doesn't reflect well upon Christians at all. If he murdered nearly every human on the planet, God is far more heinous than Hitler. Yet Christians are to willfully worship him without question. Why?"

"Was Jesus a perfect man while on Earth? Although few and far between, there is scripture that suggests that Jesus was not perfect."

"Is he perfect now? The Bible does not make that clear." "Did Jesus deceive or lie? One instance in the New Testament seems to offer that he did"

"Thus, the verse you offer up as proof that Jesus never committed sin or deceived anyone, is merely the author's opinion, and nothing more."

There is no question that you are a habitual blasphemer and liar. Your statements alone prove that beyond doubt. I can give you sources and Scripture references but I have chosen not to in hopes you would look it up own your own and end the charade of your false claim of being a Christian.

You and anyone else who are not Christians are certainly capable of doing the research to see the truth for yourselves.

You really need to give up the charade.

March 2, 2013 at 8:44 p.m.
alprova said...

conservative wrote: "So, since you have repudiated Scripture and blasphemed the one and only true God, where do you get your instruction/teaching/revelation of your non Biblical god."

I am aware that people are tiring of our exchanges, so this will be my last response to you on the subject.

You believe that that which is contained in the Bible is sacred and should never be questioned, commented on, or analyzed. I do not.

You believe that Jesus was a perfect man, without having committed so much as one sin during his life on Earth. I do not.

You believe yourself to be a shining example of a Christian and that it is impossible for me to be a Christian. I don't care what you believe.

No matter what your opinions are, you will never have an ounce of influence on my relationship with God, nor will you shame me into not using the brain that he endowed me with, that I use at all times to learn, to reason, and to sort fact from fiction.

I'm quite content to allow you to believe whatever it is that makes you warm and fuzzy. For some inexplicable reason, you are not content to allow me the same thing. It's your problem.

Your problems will never be my problems, no matter how hard you try to make them mine.

To everyone else who has had to endure this crap, I offer my humble apologies. I'm done. I'm sure that conservative will post many attempts over the coming days to goad me into responding, but I vow to let them sit and simmer a natural death.

March 2, 2013 at 8:48 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova said...

conservative wrote: "I don't know anything about the "Book of Jubilee."

What you don't know, if written down, would contain as many pages as a printed copy of the Bible.

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What I don't know would fill many pages beyond the number in the Bible.

Your insurmountable problem is your arrogance and pride, the prime reason that you will not come to Christ. You will not humble youself before God and recognize that you need a Savior.

Now, regarding your :

"Besides the Apocryphal books eliminated from the Bible used by Protestant Church there are, at least, 28 other books mentioned in scripture, which do not appear in the Bible."

Unlike you I don't waste my time studying what is false. This must be one of the reasons you are so ignorant of Christianity.

March 2, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.
Lr103 said...

alprova said... The Book of Jubilees was never part of the modern Christian Bible. Although massive numbers of ancient scrolls exist of the book, when reading excerpts from it, one gets the impression that it was a first draft of the Book of Genesis.

The Book Of Jubilee(or *lees) was very much a part of the bible. At least up until the 14Th and 15TH century. But you did say modern bible. The point regardless is, if man can remove something that some alleged super deity place there without permission, does that make that deity less super and man more powerful than him? If words can be altered and entire passages and books removed at man's will, then that lessen the belief that some powerful source placed them there in the first place. It would make it more believable that man placed those words and books there in the first place?

March 2, 2013 at 9 p.m.
degage said...

Thank you Al, I was wondering when you would finally put a stop to this nonsense. We are glad you got tired of the back and forth,since you really don't care what he thinks.

March 2, 2013 at 9 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova said...

conservative wrote: "Perhaps you are confined indoors for if you were to venture out you would find scores of buildings with signs signifying "church" and when people meet there you will find the Bible, the word of God read, preached and studied there."

Not to mention a place where a procession of cherry picked scripture is often cited that is almost always taken completely out of context, misunderstood, and recanted on a day of the week that is not the sabbath day as God declared it.

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Now, I want you to focus on some historical facts as to why Christians worship on Sunday, the first day of the week. Sunday the first day of the week was the day Jesus arose from the dead, very significant to Christians. This day was called the "Lord's Day" This is recorded in all four gospels.

Most of Jesus resurrection appearances to his disciples also occurred on Sunday. The Holy Spirit also came and indwelt believers on Pentecost, also on Sunday. Christians met on Sunday, observed the Lord's supper on Sunday, and the Apostle Paul gathered collections for other churches on Sunday.

This was all done BEFORE any decree, meeting or whatever from any organized institution in later years that prescribed or sanctioned Sunday worship.

Now you know why Christians have and will always worship on Sunday.

March 2, 2013 at 9:14 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Thank you Al, I was wondering when you would finally put a stop to this nonsense. We are glad you got tired of the back and forth,since you really don't care what he thinks."

You're welcome and you're absolutely right...I don't care what he thinks.

March 2, 2013 at 11:17 p.m.
JustOneWoman said...

As soon as I saw the cut and paste from Con, I cringed. (I think Con has a thing for Al but that's another story.) I, like most, are really tired of this constant sinning/judging from con to the point that I don't even read his stuff anymore. But Al, you chewed him up and spit him out. That was fun to watch. Dont ever stop. It often becomes tiresome and we tend to just let them rant. But ever so often, someone like you will have had enough and the result is that we are blessed with posts such as yours. My hat is off to you Sir!

March 2, 2013 at 11:58 p.m.
alprova said...

Thank you for the flowers JustOneWoman.

March 3, 2013 at 2:22 a.m.
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