published Thursday, May 16th, 2013

5@10 -- All-time Heisman head scratchers

NAVARRE BEACH, Fla. -- The 5-at-10 has taken the show on the road.

We are going to move quicky as the sand, tots and mini-golf are on the agenda. Again. Side note: Watching the joy of youth and its uncomplicated pleasures and intentions is magical. And a treasure. Side question, part II: why do the Co-Colas at the beach seem to taste better. Side note, part III: want to know the best on the beach? Cheetos, because even if you get some sand on them, it does not affect the taste or the texture. Not sure if that is a good thing from a health perspective, but we're here for wisdom and wittasisms, for hits and giggles. Well played Chester Cheeto, well-played indeed.

From the sun-splashed veranda of the "Talks too much" studios, we can see why tigers eat their young...

Top five college football players who did not win the Heisman

For the regular readers, you know the drill. The 5-at-10 is normally five things on our mind at 10 a.m. Five at 10, pretty genius, huh?

Well, since we are sneaking up on 700 consecutive 5-at-10s on Mondays-Fridays, we can hardly stop now.

That said, when we're on vacation, we have to adapt and overcome -- i.e. shorten the process. The Mrs. 5-at-10 has us on the clock. Hey, on the clock is a draft term and we love the draft. You know this.

So we do top 5 lists (and if you have any suggestions/requests, fire away). Today, we are cracking a request from friend of the show StuckinKent from last week. After the lavish praise we doled on former Nebraska QB Tommie Frazier, Stuck posed the question about who are the best college players that finished Heisman- less. Frazier is chief among them of course.

Since our first draft was QB-dominated, we went with two lists, one of quarterbacks, and one of players from other positions. Feel free to discuss your lists, and we'll get TFP college football ace David Paschall's to weigh in too.

Best college QBs who did not win a Heisman

1) Tommie Frazier -- easy choice here, and as Stucknpointed out in his or initial question, Frazier never had one superior season, but looking back his career was amazing.

2) Peyton -- yes, he deserved it over over the novelty act that was Charles Woodson. That said, it is also time Johnny Vols Fans everywhere moved beyond that decision.

3) Vince Young -- dude was a great, Great, GREAT college player. As for being a pro, well, did we mention he was awesome in college

4) Steve McNair -- the man was MJ of small college football, even down to the nickname.

5) Andrew Luck -- bad timing -- overlapping years with Heisman runaways RGIII and Cam Newton -- left the former Stanford star out of Luck. (See what we did there? Nice, huh?)

Honorable mentions to Mike Vick, Joe Hamilton, Colt McCoy and Jonathan Crompton.

Best non-QBs who did not win a Heisman (moving quickly here)

1) Hugh Green, Pitt linebacker

2) Derrick Thomas, Alabama linebacker

3) Adrian Peterson, Oklahoma running back

4) Tommy Nobis, Texas LB/OL

5) Darren McFadden, Arkansas running back

Discuss -- and yes, we were just kidding about Crompton, with all credit to Stuck's original email.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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John_Proctor said...

Before the gabfest starts, can we please pause a moment to wish Sale Creek softball coach and diamond legend Clifford Kirk, a speedy and complete recovery. The last report has him resting comfortably in the hospital after yesterday's scare. He was in the coach's box, doing what he loves best, when he apparently suffered a cardiac episode.

Please ask whichever deity you choose to follow to help Coach recover.

May 16, 2013 at 10:16 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Steve McNair - Not that it matters, but because Steve played for Alcorn State, I believe he technically wouldn't even qualify for the Heisman (hince why FCS schools have what is called the Walter Payton Award which is suppose to be quote-unquote "our" Heisman if you're a UTC fan).

That "might" be a good top five or Rushmore: Top Five (QB or non-QB) players who should have won the WP award but didn't. And yes, BJ would have been a serious contender had he not gotten injured during the Georgia Southern game his senior year.

Speaking of, shout out wa-wa to Frierson for posting that link (via his Twitter account) from the Milwaukee paper basically stating BJ is a dead serious contender for the no. 2 sport behind Rodgers.

What gabfest? David (no relation but we did go to HS together) Cook's "Hug a gangbanger like Jeff Styles hugs a tree" columns are getting more responses then 5 at 10. Sorry, but they are.

May 16, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
Stewwie said...

How about Marshall Faulk and Garrison Hearst (snubbed in the same year!) And Randy Moss was pretty good too.

May 16, 2013 at 11:06 a.m.
Todd962 said...

JMC, I am sure the 5@10 could fetch as many comments as Mr. Cook or Mr. Bennett's sections of the website, but Jay strictly forbids us from wearing aluminium foil hats anymore, so the government is still capable of controlling our brain waves, thus preventing comments of useless dribble and hatred. Its all in the Family Oriented Interweb Based Sports Column Handbook, check it out.

Having grown up in Knoxville during the time period of Peyton's Heisman race, I can assure you that some people will never recover from Woodson stealing UT's Golden Orange child's trophy. There are still people that growl at the television in 2013 when Woodson is shown. Far too many people with children named Peyton in the 865 to let that one go.

May 16, 2013 at 11:15 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

Ron Powlus.

Wasn't he supposed to win two of those things?

May 16, 2013 at 11:24 a.m.
jgreeson said...


Good call about Clifford. He is in our prayers.

JMC --

McNair finished third for the Heisman as a senior, placing behind Rashaan Salaam and KJ Carter.

And the gang columns should generate more discussion -- they are more pressing matters. That said, as Todd stated, we strive for civilized discussion, debate and some laughs, maybe not in that order.

The name calling , and the posturing on serious issues have be one as big a hurdle as the issues themselves in most cases. Sadly.

Stewwie --

Faulk was on the short list. Moss, Fitzgerald and Crabtree were three wide outs that were right there too.

We forgot about Hearst, but he was awesome.

Todd --

We know some of those same people who still do not like Woodson And blame ESPN for the whole thing.

Spy --

How good was Smokin' Joe Hamilton? Polis, not so much.

Another ACC guy that was awesome and never got the pub, Clemson QB Woodrow Dantzler (no relation to Watts).

May 16, 2013 at noon
jomo11 said...

I think Woodson deserved it more than Manning. Manning always choked against Florida

May 16, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

I wasn't try to start anything but I imagine my mix of sarcasum and humor obviously did not read well (I thought the hug a gangbanger pun was funny).

I guess because Jay is on vacation, the dust has settled at UTC (for now), and we're in a "laid back" period, no one really has anything of substance to talk about = little to no comments hince the "slight slam" on the "gabfest" comment. Believe you me, I am the LAST person to ever see this because another Bennett coloring book forum (I did like the tin foil hat comment).

Did not know that about McNair (or the fact that ANYONE from an FCS school could even contend for the Heisman). Unfortunately, I wasn't following sports that closely in those days hince my ignorance.

May 16, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
jgreeson said...

From SEC football ace David Paschall's

Biggest Heisman snub -- 1974 Southern Cal tailback Anthony Davis

Davis finished second in the balloting to Ohio State's Archie Griffin, but the ballots were due before the USC-Notre Dame game in which the Trojans mutilated the defending national champs 55-24. Davis had two rushing scores, a receiving touchdown and opened the second half with a 102-yard kickoff return.

As a result, the due date of Heisman ballots was moved back until the end of the regular season.

Dude knows his stuff.

May 16, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Jomo --

Are you train to stir the pot?


We didn't take offense -- and the hug a gangbanger line was funny. In fact we frequently ask David in the office if he has hugged anyone today. And the other day, he asked for the sports editor's opinion of his column, and we gave him an after the fact, faux Jon Gruden breakdown.

If David is OK with it, we may attach it later.

And yes, the summer lull has hit the 5@10 activity squarely.

May 16, 2013 at 1:24 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Little Joe's senior year on The Flats was mighty good. It was Clint Castleberry-like.

Tech fans and players still have Woody Dantzler nightmares.

And the first Adrian Peterson, not his doppelganger from Oklahoma by way of Texas, remains the most dominant college football player I've ever seen. I remember all the talk about Montee Ball's 45 touchdowns for a career this season. AP had that - in just his sophomore year.

Elway, Montana, Marino ... not Heisman winners.

May 16, 2013 at 1:32 p.m.
Livn4life said...

I remember the A. Davis fiasco and am no USC fan. But he deserved it and Archie who? Griffin got two Heismans and did what in the NFL?

May 16, 2013 at 1:57 p.m.
Todd962 said...

There are still things to discuss regarding the NBA for the next few weeks. Anyone see Tayshaun Prince forget he is 33 last night coming down the lane? Dude was looking more 2003 than 2013. He dunkfaced some sucker and looked as surprised as anyone else.

Also, has anyone else noticed that when Lebron drives and gets hit, he develops this weird flop as if he is being controlled like a marionette by a drunk puppeteer, flailing his arms about so as to attain the call? Malkovich, Malkovich, Malkovich. Haven't quite figured out how he is still able to get the ball in for the three point play, but the "jello theatrics" are amateur at best.

May 16, 2013 at 3:06 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- I couldnt get anybody to bite

May 16, 2013 at 4:51 p.m.
Todd962 said...

Jomo, I didnt post anything from 12:38 til 3:06 cause I had punched a hole in my monitor. Curse you and Charles Woodson.

May 16, 2013 at 4:59 p.m.
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