published Tuesday, November 12th, 2013

5-at-10: SEC asked and answered — bowl edition

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SEC asked and answered — bowl edition

1) Alabama (9-0 overall, 6-0 SEC)

Can anyone beat Alabama and stop the Tide from making the trip to the BCS title game? It's highly unlikely, but a wise man once said, "That's why they play the games." This week figures to be a cake walk even if the Tide is sleep walking. There's a real chance when UTC visits in 10 days that neither the Tide nor the Mocs starters see more than two series. Then comes the trip to Auburn for the Iron Bowl, and unless Nick Marshall is ready to throw for 250-plus, the Tide have a system for short-circuiting one-dimensional teams no matter how good that one dimension. Buckle up Bama-basjers, it looks like another holiday season colored in Crimson. Pick: BCS title game

Saturday: at Mississippi State, 7:45 (ESP)

2) Auburn (9-1, 5-1)

Where are the Tigers going to spend New Year's? Well, there is little doubt about which coach is the front-runner for league coach of the year, huh? Gus Malzahn has the Tigers staring at a New Year's Day Bowl and in control of potentially earning a BCS bowl invite if they win out. A win over Bama seems like a tall order, but handle Georgia and the Tigers make an attractive Sugar Bowl invitee. Some turnaround from this time last year when the Tigers collectively had quit on the way to a 3-9 debacle. Pick: Sugar Bowl

Saturday: vs. Georgia, 3:30 (CBS)

3) Missouri (9-1, 5-1)

Where is the second-biggest SEC surprise going to spend New Year's? Gary Pinkel would be a dunk coach of the year pick if not for Malzahn's magic. Still, the Tigers are in control of the SEC East, so they too could get to a BCS bowl game, but at the very least they can plan on a warm-weather trip. Pick: Outback Bowl

Saturday: Open

4) Texas A&M (8-2, 4-2)

Where will Johnny Football's last game be? If the Aggies sweep — some what of a tall order considering the challenges of the final stretch that are at LSU and at Missouri in the last two weeks of the season — they could be the Sugar Bowl's pick. If A&M gets swept, its still will be an attractive picks because of the star-power that is Johnny Hollywood. If the Aggies split, here's saying the Cotton Bowl gets a dream match-up of Texas A&M against Texas and the entire state tries to get into Jerry Jones' palace to watch Prince Johnny Pigskin one more time. Pick Cotton Bowl

Saturday: Open

5) Georgia (6-3, 4-2)

Where will the Bulldogs bowl? As Todd Gurley gets back into game shape and with a high-profile challenge this week at Auburn, the Bulldogs could finish on a nice run with some added notoriety. If Georgia sweeps out, the Capital One could be in play but the Bulldogs went there last year and we know bowl games like variety. Like those packs of chips in which there's always one brand that is left over in mass quantities. Add in that even if they sweep the last three, 9-3 will feel a little disappointing for a team derailed by injuries, so Georgia's ceiling looks to be Outback. Pick: Gator Bowl  

Saturday: at Auburn, 3:30 (CBS)

6) South Carolina (7-2, 5-2)

Where will the Gamecocks bowl? Want a sneaky Sugar Bowl shocker — try Steve Spurrier's bunch. South Carolina's bowl range is staggering, going from potentially getting into the SEC title game to play for a spot in a BCS game or potentially going to the Chick-fil-A Bowl. Spurrier's presence and a devoted fan base will make South Carolina an attractive pick, and South Carolina has a season-ending game against Clemson that could really raise their profile. Pick: Capital One Bowl  

Saturday: vs. Florida, 7 (ESPN2)

7) Ole Miss (6-3, 3-3)

Where the Rebels bowl? Another strong fan base that could elevate their team, Ole Miss could easily sneak into a Florida bowl considering it could very well close the season on a six-game winning streak. Still, the season's next-to-last game against Ole Miss could determine which team goes to Florida and which team stuffs itself on Chick-fil-A sammiches on New Year's Eve. Pick: Chick-fil-A Bowl. 

Saturday: vs. Troy, noon (ESPNU)

8) LSU (7-3, 3-3)

Where will LSU bowl? You now get into a point where you're looking around and wondering, is LSU really headed to the Music City Bowl and does that mean they could play someone like Georgia Tech? Yep, and yep. Very possible indeed. That said, coming off an open week this Saturday, the Tigers have a profile-raising possibility against Texas A&M and a season-ending dunk against Arkansas, if they sweep, they could elevate, but considering LSU went to the Chick-fil-A last year, they would have to jump several spots to get to Florida. Is that likely? Sure. Pick: Music City Bowl.

Saturday: Open

9) Vandy (5-4, 2-4)

Where will Vandy bowl? The greatest stretch in post-World War II Commodores has been filled with surprising moments a slew of trips to Nashville. Vandy is in line for its third straight bowl trip under James Franklin. Read that again. In fact, Franklin and the 'Dores could very well win out — vs. Ketucky, at a reeling Tennessee team and vs. Wake Forest — and be facing a real trip to Memphis or Memphis or even Shreveport. Egad. Vandy AD David Williams may need to pull a page out of the Jay Jacobs playbook. Remember when Jacobs, the Auburn AD, pre-bought all of the Outback Bowl allotment of tickets and guaranteed a big following to the Outback Bowl after Gene Chizik's first year in 2009? A similar move that secures Vandy a higher profile postseason spot would go a long way in keeping Franklin in the 615, considering if a guy can take Vandy to three straight bowl games, what could he do with USC's talent base? Or Nebraska's? Or, heaven help all of us, Florida's? Pick: BBVA Compass Bowl

Saturday: vs. Kentucky, 12:21 (WDSI)

10) Florida (4-5, 3-4)

Where will Florida bowl? Well, the injury-ravaged Gators — from the preseason depth chart, Florida has lost its starting QB, starting RB, best WR, two starting tackles, the nation's best defensive tackle, a defensive end, and two starting linebackers — have work to do to make the postseason. In fact, other than the Disappointing Bowl in 10 days when Georgia Southern visits the Swamp, Will Muschamp's Gators will need to upset either South Carolina or Florida State. Where there's a Will there's a way, right? If 2014 is this blah-tastic, we may need to change that cliche to "Where there's a Will, there's a way out the door." Pick: No bowl.

Saturday: at South Carolina, 7 (ESPN2)

11) Tennessee (4-6, 1-5)

Where will Tennessee bowl? We had the Vols 6-6 before the season. They need to sweep Vandy next week and at Kentucky the following week. It's doable, tough, but doable. And while a whirlwind holiday in luxurious Memphis or Shreveport seems a little less glamorous, well, it is. But for a young team like the Vols, those extra weeks of practice could be monumental. Pick: Liberty Bowl. 

Saturday: Open

12) Mississippi State (4-5, 1-4)

Where will these Bulldogs go bowling? The postseason rests in all likelihood on the season-ending Egg Bowl on Thanksgiving. Mississippi State has little chance against Alabama, no matter how much time the Tide spends practicing in preparation for Auburn. Mississippi State should beat Arkansas the following week in Fayetteville — and yes folks there are plenty of good seats still available for that one — which means the magical sixth win that could deflect a lot of deflation from Dan Mullen's year that has been in Starkville rides on a visit from the rival Rebels. Pick: No bowl.

Saturday: vs. Alabama, 7:45 (ESPN)

13) Kentucky (2-7, 0-5)

Where will Kentucky bowl? They may take the team on a bowling excursion when the basketball team heads to the Final Four at the end of March.

Saturday at Vandy, 12:21 (WDSI)

14) Arkansas (3-7, 0-5)

Where will Arkansas bowl? The Fayetteville version of the Holiday Bowl in Hixson. Good times. Raise your hand if you knew Auburn would be six games better at this point with Gus Malzahn rather than Mean Gene Chizik. OK, now raise your if you expected Arkansas to be one game worse under Bret Bielema than the financial guru that was John L. Smith? Smile everyone. Smile.

Saturday: Open


NFL Power Poll

It's been a crazy first half of the season, no? Injuries have become a constant speed bump in determining which teams succeed and which teams disappoint. (We're looking at you Atlanta.) Contracts also have become a golden sword that swings in both directions in the cap-minded and salary-fixed NFL that makes teams spend wisely or wish they had.

It's also been dominated by controversy, starting first with the concussion debate that has echoed across all levels of football and moving recently to the locker room culture that made offensive linemen Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito the most recognized non-quarterbacks in the NFL.

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    Boston Red Sox players rush onto the field after defeating the St. Louis Cardinals in Game 6 of baseball's World Series Wednesday, Oct. 30, 2013, in Boston. The Red Sox won 6-1 to win the series.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

So it goes, but the league is still sports' monolith, attracting more eyes and attention than almost all other sports combined. Quick: Who won the World Series? OK, we know you know it was Boston, but you had to ponder it a moment, even though it was played three weeks ago. OK, now, what's Kansas City's record? Yep, a perfect 9-0, a mark that will be supremely tested when the league's most opportunistic team visits the Denver Peytons and the league's most prolific offense. 

Top 5

1) Kansas City

2) Denver

3) Seattle

4) New England 

5) New Orleans

Bottom 5

28) Houston

29) Atlanta

30) Minnesota

31) Tampa Bay

32) Jacksonville


The Braves sleight of hand

We talked some yesterday about the Braves moving from downtown Atlanta to south Cobb County in an unincorporated area that like all things in the metro area is just another suburb of Smyrna.

The move is in grand total about 15 miles, but it's 15 monster miles that really send waves through the entire metro area.

It signifies the city of Atlanta values the Falcons more than the Braves, or at least the Falcons facility more than a baseball facility. This is good business considering a domed football facility get the state football championships, the SEC title game, Final Fours, the Chick-fil-A Bowl, concerts and potentially a Super Bowl. No brainer.

It also means that getting to Braves games likely will be tougher. Gang, we grew up in Cobb County and we still giggle every time some one in Chattanooga complains about traffic. Now add the Braves gameday traffic 81 times a year at the mouth of 75 and 285. And oh yeah, the next three years of construction to make all of this happen is going to be no day at the beat getting into and around the city.

What happens with the Ted? Hard to know, but it's hard to see it sticking around for very long. Man, 25 years after hosting the world, the lasting monument for the Olympics in Atlanta may be a fountain or that Billy Payne used that to become the master of the Masters.

All of this happens as Brian McCann — as Jomo calls him the heart of the ream — elects to decline the Braves qualifying offer meaning he will be a free agent. So in the course of about 10 hours on Monday, there are a lot of old-school Atlanta folks we know who surely think the city lost its soul and the Braves just lost their heart.


This and that

— Good preview of the basketball bonanza from ace TFP columnist Mark Wiedmer here Ah, Weeds is truly in his element when college basketballs start bouncing. We'll watch the Kentucky-Michigan State game for sure and likely pay attention to the Wiggins-Parker matchup too, which is saying something in November.

— Professionally we do not root for teams we cover or any of that. In general we root for stories, good, rich and compelling stories to share with the area and to write as they deserve to be written. That said, the Mocs potentially hosting a playoff game, as UTC beat ace Johnny Frierson sharing here is a good story that has a lot of story lines.

— Personally we think Yaisel Puig was hosed in the rookie of the year voting. Stupid Amnicola Highway.

— The Mocs hoops troop lost by 11 at Radford in a game that did not sound as close as the 89-78 final score.


Today's question

Loads to talk about today, but if you need talking points here are a few:

  • Aren't we all a victim of hazing in some form with the telling and re-telling and the hashing and re-hashing of the Incognito-Martin debacle? Egad. All we need now if for one of those cats to either have a) PEDs in their system or b) a concussion and this story will never go away. Discuss.
  • Our SEC beat ace David Paschall details the growth and improvement of Auburn quarterback Nick Marshall here Considering the strides the Tigers have made — they are 9-1 and No. 7 in the country — where would you put Marshall on the all-SEC listings? Surely Johnny Football has earned consideration for SEC player of the year — he may be the Heisman co-favorite right now with Famous Jameis Winston — as has all-timer AJ McCarron. So where does Marshall and Georgia's Aaron Murray rank in the discussion of postseason accolades in the SEC this year?
  • UT hoops open tonight, and we believe the Vols are going to be pretty good. Thoughts?
  • We talked about the budding feud between Verne Lundquist and Brent Musberger. If you could have two announcers duke it out, who are you placing in the squared circle? Discuss.

And gang, remember the mail bag for crying out loud.

about Jay Greeson...

Jay was named the Sports Editor of the Times Free Press in 2003 and started with the newspaper in May 2002 as the Deputy Sports Editor. He was born and raised in Smyrna, Ga., and graduated from Auburn University before starting his newspaper career in 1997 with the Newnan (Ga.) Times Herald. Stops in Clayton and Henry counties in Georgia and two years as the Sports Editor of the Marietta (Ga.) Daily Journal preceded Jay’s ...

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chas9 said...

No Bama bashers here. Jerry Palm thinks SC gets the better bowl than Mizzou, but I lean your way. And I repeat that it's 50-50 that The Vols stay home.

Saw Mike Tyson on TV this morning promoting his new book. I've joked about and damned Iron Mike as gleefully as anybody, but I'll give him his due. He seems to have reached an honest place in life where he's actually reflective and decent. And the face tattoo is wearing better than I expected.

Compliments to Dawg yesterday for a coupla strong late posts to the 5@10.

OK. If Jay refuses to set up the evening's festivities, I guess Stuckey and I'll have to do it. And Weeds, of course.

In the late game you can watch super (hyped) frosh Kansas' Wiggins and Duke's Parker. Parker was ranked #1 recruit in the class of 2013 until the #1 recruit of 2014 (Wiggins) reclassified into the 2013 class and bumped him down one spot.

That bumped UK's Randle to #3 (or #2 according to some), so he has to try harder. With ardor. And he is, so far averaging 22.5 points and 15 boards. You'll love seeing him controlling one, two, three or more tips in the paint, whatever it takes to score.

UK-MSU is the first 1-2 matchup in five years. Last time your Tennessee Vols took down Cal's #1 Memphis Tigers.

If betting, take the over. Both The Cats and The Sparties like to run, and neither team has set its defense yet.

MSU is favored by three. In a game that nobody will watch because it's up against Duke-Kansas on another channel, Xavier is favored by the same three over Cuonzo's orange-clad ballers. If UT's as good as some around here think they are, how come they're getting points? Because they're weak at PG.

Jay's right when he observes that college basketball's better the second half of the season than the first half. But that's true of football, too. Nobody stayed away from the Bama-Johnny Football match when the season started, and the Champions' Classic this evening has that same star power revenge factor.

You've heard about Kentucky's deep roster of McDonald's All-Americans. The other thee teams in the doubleheaders have their share, too. You'll never again see so many ultra-talented college cagers at one sitting.

Unless you're watching a re-run of the great UCLA-Houston game in the soon-to-be-rubble Astrodome.

And it's sleight of hand, not slight.

November 12, 2013 at 10:15 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

Just to let everyone know, the cold front that has a ---lock on Chat-town is not limited to the tri-state area. Tempertures in North Texas are dropping like a rock as we speak.

I was close in the rankings at 18 but was surprised to read the final results in both the Sports Network and the Coaches Poll. Even when I was student, I don't recall the Mocs ever going past 23rd in the nation. Good Times.

Personally, I'm not going to draw an easy breath until the final snap of the Samford game. However, I feel a little bit of confidence reading that Keon will be back to taking practice snaps this week = suiting up for a game if the ankle holds.

While I'm not encouraging people to make any last minute travel plans, I would like to at least remind everyone that Samford is not located in some podunk college town in the middle of nowhere (Looking at you Western Carolina). It is just outside of Birmingham near the Vulcan Statue (if memory serves me well) which means it's a three hour drive and with a 2:00 central kickoff, you can have a good dinner afterwards at Five Points before driving back to Chat-town. I'm just saying people.

Love the "references" to Atlanta traffic regarding the new Braves stadium. Do me a favor everyone, Google "Dallas" and "635". I like to give a James Brown "Heh" regarding the use of the words "traffic" and "construction" in the same sentence.

Longhorns vs. A&M inside Jerry's Death Star. Good thing I'll be watching the Mocs take on North Dakota State on the North end of town.

I like how David Blackburn is hard at work trying secure a home playoff game. Folks, if we land one, let's at least try to surpass 12,000+, thank you.

November 12, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
jgreeson said...

9er —

Thanks for the correction. Stupid fast fingers, which is doubly condemning when the misspelled word is actually a word. Stupid homophones — not that there's anything wrong with that.

And the spread is like early season football spreads. In fact, while the action may be better in the second half of the season, there is more money to be made in the first half as the point spreaders are becoming familiar with the teams and the terms. The -3 is likely a shrug of the shoulders from the wise guys that signifies, "Hey, Xavier's home, make 'em a 3-point favorite."


Good point about the Mocs efforts to get a home game.

And we also know this — with Alabama and Auburn playing on Saturday, there will be plenty of good sections available for the Saturday's UTC-Samford game. You think UTC battles issues with UT or Georgia or Alabama competition on Saturdays, ask a Samford fan about it.


November 12, 2013 at 11:30 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...


Alabama-Birmingham is FBS and has a football team. Yet our attendance numbers is FAR better then theres is. And what's worse is UAB has almost no representation outside of campus. Go to the Galleria in Birmingham and all the local sports stores only showcase Alabama and Auburn. People probably wouldn't even know of Sanford's existance if not for the fact they are in the SoCon. However, they're also a small private school in the shadow of UAB and Alabama which is exactly 50 miles down the road. So yeah, not gonna get much love in the Birmingham market.

November 12, 2013 at 11:45 a.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, not that anyone in SEC country notices, but if Clemson beats Tech, Duke has a chance to play in the ACC championship game and possibly play in the Orange Bowl. Duke. Duke! OK, they won't be FSU, should they make it to Charlotte. But Duke is 7-2 under David Cutcliffe.

An injury-ravaged, underachieving Georgia Southern team vs an injury-ravaged, underachieving Florida team in two weeks. At least Southern will keep its coach past next year. And I like Monken. Good dude, good coach.

For the Braves new stadium, getting to a 7:05 or 7:35 first pitch is going to be an absolute nightmare. It's bad now. It might be worse there at the confluence of 75 and 285. Getting out of there might not be that problematic. But getting there in time? Hoo boy.

November 12, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay-I think Vols will lose to Vandy. Do REALLY think those Vols, after getting HAMMERED the last 3 weeks WANT to practice for 3 to 4 more weeks ??? Especially if they end up in the BBVA Compass Bowl that is not until Jan 4 ? Whereas Vandy could be playing for a better bowl, warmer loctaion with 8 wins ? think about this from players standpoint, do they really want to practice in the cold and rain, just because the fan base wants them to ???

November 12, 2013 at 11:52 a.m.
chas9 said...

JMC--Interesting postings. Google maps says downtown Chatt town to Samford in 2:15, and I can do it quicker. The Vulcan statue is awesome in itself. Go Mocs!

November 12, 2013 at 11:55 a.m.
chas9 said...

I appreciated Pasquali's tribute to Nick Marshall. Question for the bag: How does the Auburn wonderboy stack up against other recent SEC running QB's?

And how long did it take to find a photo of a Tennessee player actually making a tackle against the Plainsmen?

Fair point about early-season lines being SWAGs, but I think the oddsmakers are as worried about UT's one position as I am. It's too bad, because I like to see stud players like The Vols' other four get a chance to show what they can do.

Take away the QB and nothing gels. See Ryan Harrow. With a point guard as talented as the rest of the team, UT is a final four contender. I coulda been a contender… I coulda been somebody…

Stud hoss Maymon says "It's very important. We have to have this first one, I don't want to say it sets up the rest of the season…"

Have you noticed how when people reface an observation with "I don't want to say " something, they really do want to say it?

November 12, 2013 at 12:19 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


The only justification about the new stadium is as one Braves fan posted on Facebook "If you take a wrong turn going to the new stadium, you're end up at a Publix. If you take a wrong turn at Turner Field, you may end up in a part of town you don't want to be in." I'm not saying that part of Atlanta is necessary the old Calliope Projects in New Orleans but high level vigilence is a necessity. But yeah, there's a reason whenever I go to Rangers game, I arrive an hour early.

Chase- Samford is located on the outskirts of Birmingham hince the short travel time but PLEASE be careful. Speed kills. Period.

November 12, 2013 at 12:33 p.m.
MocTastic said...

Samford, been there multiple times, is on the southside, aka FAR side of town from Chattanooga. If you can drive that drive in 2:15 you are not doing the speed limit, you are exceeding it. Also, note that the game time is 3 PM Chattanooga time. Alabama, I live there, is on sloooooowwwww time.

November 12, 2013 at 1:29 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

Have noticed the impressive run the Dukes are making under Cutcliffe, and yet somehow they are getting 3 points at home against a Miami team spiraling out of control.

In fact, the coach of the year balloting between Gus, Cutcliffe, Pinkel (Einhorn is Pinkel; Pinkel is Einhorn) and Art Briles could be fun to watch. Where does Muschamp finish?

Jomo —

We think UT plays its best game of the season against Vandy in what may be one of the few times that the Vols are evenly matched in talent.

And yes, we know for a fact that this group would take any bowl game. As bad as it's been for most of their careers any tidbit of success is success nonetheless.

9er —

No doubt point guard in college hoops is likely behind QB as the most important position in sports. That said, even if the Vols plan at point is a total disaster, Jordan McRae playing there is not the worst option in the world.

And Maymon's focus on the opener bodes well. Or bodes very badly if they stumble.

We'll see.


Fair point about the neighborhoods and arriving early. Although with the Cobb County traffic, arriving early may mean getting the kids out of school early for a 7:05 first pitch.

Roll 'em up.

November 12, 2013 at 1:37 p.m.
chas9 said...

Best Dookies since Steve Superior was coach. Bring Cutcliffe back to Knoxville! Along with The Chief!

November 12, 2013 at 1:42 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Muschamp finishes just ahead of VanGorder, who is always in dead last, and just behind Brian Kelly.

November 12, 2013 at 1:55 p.m.
Stewwie said...

Not liking the Braves' impending move for reasons you guys have mentioned. At the very least, why not pick a spot on the MARTA route? I'm also having a hard time believing that the Ted needed that much $$$ worth of improvements to make it worth staying there.

I'm still in disbelief that the young Dome will soon be no more. At some point, you'd hope that the elected officials would start saying "No" to helping fund new projects that aren't needed. So if it means the Falcons leave for another town, then so be it so long as the Dome can remain profitable with other events (which it would). As for any backlash, the team owner always get it more than town officials.

Part of the reason that the Falcons felt the need start over and build anew is that the arrogant Roger Goodell threatened to never allow another Super Bowl in the ATL without a new stadium. Can someone explain what is so "bad" about the Dome that would prevent it from being able to host the big game once more? Especially after the renovations a few years ago? After seeing the Mocs play there earlier this year, I thought it was first class and looked better than ever.

November 12, 2013 at 1:59 p.m.
MocTastic said...

I don't think it was just "improvements" at Turner. They, the Braves, supposedly did not get any of the parking revenue and paid a high rent on their lease.

And I think, correct if wrong, they want more and more skyboxes in the new football arena. That is where the money is, not you buying a single game ticket in the upper deck.

November 12, 2013 at 2:12 p.m.
jgreeson said...


Your points and reasoning are spot on about the Dome.

That said, getting the Super Bowl can mean upwards of half a Billion as an event. It should be the BID-nesses downtown and the hotels and the folks that make the coin that pony up the dough rather than the tax payers.

And the city of Atlanta had to hitch its wagon to the Falcons. Because the new facility is multi-dimensional and all the events above are hyper-competitive in the bidding process.

Spy —

BVG is definitely on the Coaching Rushmore of Stink.

So is mean Gene Chizik, and yes, he has a natty title, but it's more a Natty Lite since Cam and Gus did the heavy lifting. Derek Dooley is definitely on that list, orange pants and all.

No. 4... Make room for the Lane train.

November 12, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...


A think the weather factor has more to do with it then anything else. The Texas Death Star was less then 2-3 years old when Emperor Jones won a bid to host it only to have Mother Nature and Murphy play havoc with the weather that week (brought back some great memories of Superstorm '93). There is a reason Arizona, New Orleans, and Miami host it the most times. Because in the first of February, 80% of the country it's either snowing or wet and cold. And the "celebraties" who pay top dollar to go to this function (it an't the fans who are attending folks)don't want to go to a host city where there's more ice on the roads then in their margeritas. They use the stadium as an excuse but reality if Green Bay was located in New Mexico, the Super Bowl would host it even though that venue is over 80 years old and has had some rather nice upgrades from the candid shots they show on Fox or CBS. Just an observation mind you.

November 12, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
jgreeson said...


True they prefer the warm weather locales but the NFL dangles the Super carrot out there so its owners can get new stadiums. Case in point — this year's Super Cold Bowl is right outside NYC. In an open air venue. Bundle up buttercup.

MT —

Spot on.

It's all sky boxes — and ball bearings — nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. And I'm gonna need 'bout 10 quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State.

November 12, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
JonathanMCook said...

MT wrote-

"And I think, correct if wrong, they want more and more skyboxes in the new football arena. That is where the money is, not you buying a single game ticket in the upper deck."

I agree, but I also know that can backfire. Just ask Emperor Jones.

When they were selling skyboxes, there was this cosmetic dental surgery company who purchased two if them and apparently someone forgot to check either this company's legitamcy or finances because when it came time to send them the money, they went dilenquent. It was all over the local news for at least two days. XD

November 12, 2013 at 2:40 p.m.
jomo11 said...

Jay- by the way today is 11-12-13 . . . . .which happens to be the number of players Derek Dooley would use on defense, depending on his mood. . . . ka-ching !!!

November 12, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Jomo —

11-12-13 was also Dooley's locker combination in high school.

And to stretch the F-O-I-B nature of things, one of those numerals is the exact number of letters in a not-so-flattering name Dez Bryant has likely used when describing Dooley as a WR coach at Dallas, which also has Grandpa Abe Simpson/Monte Kiffin cashing checks.

November 12, 2013 at 2:53 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

The rich get richer. The Wall Street Journal, a newspaper of note in spite of the fact that they don't run Snuffy Smith comics, ran a story about Alabama Football's new best friend, none other than Phil Knight. We've talked about Phil here before and gawked at the new facilities Oregon built with his money. Phil was in Tuscaloosa Saturday night decked out in Crimson and White. Plus, the University of Nike website used to redirect you to Oregon's website. Now it links to Bama's. I think we can all agree that it's good to see a spunky little upstart program like Alabama get a boost from the shoe guru.

Speaking of Bama, Nick Saban recently announced he was going to be a grandfather for the first time. Saban was wearing a genuine smile and could almost be described as giggly. Seeing Saban that happy was like seeing Darth Vader rolling around on a trampoline playing with puppies.

All this talk of Atlanta area traffic and old stomping grounds has led me to start a one-man campaign to bring the Braves to Blue Ridge. The biggest little town in north-central Georgia. And no traffic problems to speak of. Blue Ridge has more antique shops than you can shake a stick at and three full-service grocery stores. I need to keep this campaign focused or else those people over in Blairsville will start trying to horn-in on the action. The Blue Ridge Braves, catch the fever!

November 12, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[I don't think it was just "improvements" at Turner. They, the Braves, supposedly did not get any of the parking revenue and paid a high rent on their lease.]

Why then would the Ted's owners not at least put that on the negotiating table? Not sure if much attempt was made to try to make the team stay. If it were me, I'd be willing to take less money instead of making no money. Who exactly is going to replace the Braves at the Ted and make the stadium owners any money? Nobody.

[And I think, correct if wrong, they want more and more skyboxes in the new football arena. That is where the money is, not you buying a single game ticket in the upper deck.]

Indeed, the more skyboxes the better for $$$. But they just renovated the place including making improvements in the skyboxes. I personally don't think that justifies starting over and getting the taxpayers involved to do it.

[And the city of Atlanta had to hitch its wagon to the Falcons. Because the new facility is multi-dimensional and all the events above are hyper-competitive in the bidding process.]

Would letting the Falcons leave (or make Blank finance at 100%) cause the Dome to look less attactive for other events? I think not. It would have continued to be a great venue for college football games, basketball games, concerts, etc.

[True they prefer the warm weather locales but the NFL dangles the Super carrot out there so its owners can get new stadiums. Case in point — this year's Super Cold Bowl is right outside NYC. In an open air venue. Bundle up buttercup.]

NY should have never gotten the Super Bowl with an open-air stadium. If it snowstorms that weekend, you can chalk this up to another one of Goodell's idiotic moves. (Can you tell that I'm not a fan of the guy?) While I'm at it, his push for a London team is insane and a lot of the players hate the idea too.

November 12, 2013 at 3:34 p.m.
jgreeson said...

GD —

That Phil Knight is a patron saint of the underdog, huh?

Wow, this latest roll in the hay with superpowers that be kind of makes us want the cards to fall right so that a 1-loss Oregon is in the title game against his power program du jour (that sounds good, think we'll have that). Would he show up in a split Crimson and and Highlighter yellow shirt.

Stewwie —

The Dome belongs to Atlanta. Why would Blank pony it up when city X — hello LA — would likely do it for him.

Plus, without a new venue, the next place to build a new venue will be angling for a potential SEC title game or the recently magnified Chick-Fil-A, which is now in the BCS playoff rotation.

Don't get us wrong, having the taxpayers money in this is wrong unless the taxpayers get kickbacks from the profits. But we're one of those crazy fiscal conservatives you read about.

November 12, 2013 at 3:50 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

It occurs to me that not only is the city of Atlanta the biggest loser in the Braves pulling up the tepee for lower Cobb County, but so too are probably the city's "gentlemen's clubs." Can't stop for a "beer" on the way home from the ballpark so easily now, since it's no longer on the way home. And there are certain "gentlemen's clubs" who waive the entrance fee if a Braves ticket (or other sporting event stub) is presented at the door.

So I've been told.

November 12, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
sportsfan said...

Jay-I too spent 20 years in the ATL and after close to 10 years I still haven't seen traffic in the Noog. I write this from Killarney Rose near Wall St in NYC. I have now witnessed traffic on HGH, steroids, and all things PED. After several cab rides I find find it comforting to just not watch. Now that the Braves are moving, for the Friday mailbag, what is your Rushmore of sports venues that would be sacrilege to move? Happy Tuesday and I'll have another stout, please.

November 12, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Spy —

We'll trust your 'sources' on all things entleman's club.


Spotsfan —

World class mailbag question, and you are most definitely in.

We too spent a weekend in the NYC and were wide-eyed waiting for taxi wrecks or to be hit by cars. So it goes.

Happy Tuesday too all, indeed, and everyone, feel free to crack open a Co-Cola of your choice. The first is good and the second one is better.

Good times.

November 12, 2013 at 7 p.m.
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