published Wednesday, October 2nd, 2013

Government Workers

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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bret said...

DesJarlais has hair?

October 2, 2013 at 12:04 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Cartoon points to the advantage of business over government: with business, we the people get to decide what to pay for, but with government, we have to pay whether we like the product or not.

2nd advantage: business has to be sustainable, but government can promise more than it can afford to deliver. (One state--New Hampshire?--has a rule that only after money has come in can it be promised and spent.)

3rd advantage: business offers variety when it can--burger, pizza, taco, sub, sushi as you're seen me write--but government pretends one size fits all. O'Romneycare reduces the variety of insurance that can be offered. Would we want government saying that if you drive, you must drive a new Cadillac? But O'care limits varieties in insurance.

4th advantage: business offers instant accountability. If McDonalds makes me mad at lunch, I can eat supper at Burger King. But our President is in for three more years to the dismay of some, and our House for one to the dismay of others, and Ted Cruz for...(President.)

5th advantage: a lot less deadlock.

How about turning the parks into self-sustaining businesses for the duration of the shutdown? They'd cost more (probably), as Disney parks do, but the people who use them would be paying for them. And since Disney can do parks--since business can do parks--government doesn't need to be doing them. Business can also do transportation (the "Chunnel"). Business can do insurance. Business can do safety checks (Underwriters Laboratories). Business can do schools (Baylor, Harvard, Homeschool Curriculum Fair). Business/charity can do welfare (World Vision, church diaconal funds). The British Coast Guard is a private charity. So to say government "must" do these things spits in reality's face.

October 2, 2013 at 12:20 a.m.
GlacierClipper said...

The promises from the government to the people is sometimes too sweet of a fruit for some people to neglect. Both political parties the Democrats and Republicians are both to blame for the problems.

Essential Services like seen in the cartoon, the Postal Services is not effected government shutdown. They are funded by the sale of their goods. The Postal Services aka The USPS has not directly received taxpayer-dollars since the early 1980s. That is why they are having to raise the cost of postage stamps by 3 cents.

October 2, 2013 at 1:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

The lucky ones are those furloughed since they will, as they did the last time, get back pay for the time away, essentially a paid vacation. The average annual salary of those temporarily laid off is $110,000 plus 75% paid toward a Cadillac healthcare plan, funds matched in a 401k paid vacations and other perks much better than in the private sector. Why is the federal government involved in those things not essential at the federal level? Local and state governments willingly abdicate their responsibility to the federal government and fail to fully accept their responsibility to govern local and state affairs. The federal government is a behemoth out of control.

October 2, 2013 at 5:02 a.m.
fairmon said...

Harry Reid and the administration state "we will not negotiate the CR or DL" and a shut down will be the other parties fault. The other party says we will not compromise on this issue and a shut down is their fault. How can one be blamed when both are acting like spoiled kids refusing to eat food that is healthy and crying for cake and candy? Call Clinton and Gingrich in and utilize their experience to reach a viable solution.

October 2, 2013 at 5:15 a.m.
fairmon said...

A good law but some administration members may be at risk.

The Antideficiency Act, passed by Congress in 1870 (and amended several times), prohibits the government from incurring any monetary obligation for which the Congress has not appropriated funds.

The Government Accountability Office says employees who violate the Antideficiency Act may be subject to disciplinary action, suspension and even "fines, imprisonment, or both."

May be subject to are the key words but in today's world of no accountability politics no one is likely to be subject to any disciplinary action.

October 2, 2013 at 5:34 a.m.
Maximus said...

Closing the national parks is simply a power move by an already too powerful and too large government. The park rangers are still there directing traffic so why not let the people that pay for the maintenance of the parks in the parks. Also we could fire about half of the park rangers in the country and not miss them at all.

October 2, 2013 at 6:14 a.m.
degage said...

Congress must think they are essential. I say they should not receive one dime of pay until they start working together and figure out how to compromise, and I don't mean one side wins while the other caves. The republicans can give a little and the democrats can do likewise. I am aware that will not happen because most of our politicians think their you know what doesn't stink. The president and his best bud Valerie Jarrett included.

October 2, 2013 at 6:55 a.m.
conservative said...

Bob Schieffer lied about the popularity of Owebamination care to Tennessee Congresswoman Marsha Blackburn:

“On CBS’s Face the Nation hosted by Bob Schieffer, guest Congress(wo)man Marsha Blackburn stated that Obamacare only has partisan support. Schieffer interrupted and “corrected” her, stating, “Well now Congresswoman, that’s not entirely true. The polls don’t suggest that. Polls say that most people favor it.””

“Except that they don’t. How ironic that a poll released recently by CBS and the New York Times shows that most people still don’t like Obamacare:”

“Opinions of the health care law overall continue to be negative. With health insurance exchanges set to open up for enrollment on Oct. 1, 39 percent of Americans now approve of the health care law, but more – 51 percent – disapprove, similar to views in July. Since the law was enacted in 2010, more have disapproved than approved of it. Some Americans express concern about the health care law’s impact – on themselves personally and on the U.S. economy. While most say the law has not personally affected them so far, 39 percent expect the law will eventually hurt them – twice as many as say it will help them. Nearly half also see an economic downside. Forty-nine percent think the health care law will hurt the national economy, while 26 percent think it will improve it. Eighteen percent say it will have no effect.”

“If Scheiffer had bothered to read that poll released by his own employer, maybe he wouldn’t have balked at the congress(wo)man’s statement. Of course, maybe he was very familiar with it but decided that it’s better to lie about it.”

http://lastresistance.com/3300/cbss-bob-schieffer-polls-show-americans-favor-obamacare/

October 2, 2013 at 7:05 a.m.
tifosi said...

What bret said. :)

October 2, 2013 at 7:11 a.m.
EaTn said...

Thanks to Obamacare law, thousands more folks have health insurance today who had none a couple days ago. Yet there are still many greedy against Obamacare, who themselves are only a paycheck away from needing it.

As for the shutdown, if those involved are "non-essential" for a few days then some portion of them are probably permanently non-essential. Being fired would only result in them being moved into another subsidy bucket.

October 2, 2013 at 7:33 a.m.
fairmon said...

EaTn said....

As for the shutdown, if those involved are "non-essential" for a few days then some portion of them are probably permanently non-essential. Being fired would only result in them being moved into another subsidy bucket.

In other words being employed by the government is often like being on welfare. That may be why so many are obviously under worked, over paid and not productive?

October 2, 2013 at 7:43 a.m.
tribal said...

AndrewLohr, the problem that defeats all of those benefits is that you as the layperson have absolutely no say whatsoever in what private enterprise does. You can't offset that by introducing competition everywhere without it having negative effects in at least some places, unless you like the idea of living in a world like Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson).

conservative, you're just upset that the tens of millions of people whom you blame for your own personal misfortunes have healthcare now.

October 2, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

Essential and nonessential is like an individual that has to decide what is a need versus what is a want or nice to have.

Obama care is another overly complex way of redistributing wealth along with the tax system and other welfare programs. Obama care is a welfare program that will be paid for by some paying higher premiums and additional taxes included throughout the AHCA. I inquired and was told my premiums will increase by at least 50%. Everyone insured will be receiving similar information this month, watch the mail and budget for it. The PPACA is coming whether you like it or not although the number uninsured won't change much and you will pay for their health care per the current process. Holding elected office does not mean those elected are intelligent with an ability to lead or develop good legislation. Examples: See Reid, Boehner and Pelosi.

October 2, 2013 at 8:08 a.m.
conservative said...

The other two are wearing Depends for they depend on the taxpayer.

The private sector could handle these jobs more efficiently with lower cost.

October 2, 2013 at 8:13 a.m.
tribal said...

Fairmon, I have great, cheap healthcare and my payments aren't changing a cent... because it's actually up to a reasonable standard of a health insurance plan. If your premiums are going up, it's probably because you had a crap health plan and your insurance provider is passing the overhead on to you. Here's the great part about obamacare: you can change your plan now, and you will probably find one much cheaper - or you can wait, and your costs will likely go down as competition makes your insurance company feel the hurt as others eat the pie out from under it.

Also, ~30+ million folks will be getting insured who previously could not.

October 2, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

If the reds do not want a clean CR, then the simplest solution, that also makes the point about the red's immaturity, is for the Senate to place in the CR a retroactive ban on all assault rifles and any gun with a magazine holding more than 8 rounds, or caliber larger than 0.22. You can effectively hunt with a 22. They could also add a provision that all states must allow register by main again. This could get interesting.

October 2, 2013 at 8:19 a.m.
EaTn said...

fairmon said..."Obama care is another overly complex way of redistributing wealth"

The latest figures show that the top wealth has grown the past few years while the middle has shrunk.

Obamacare is the first step toward a single-payer system. Unwittingly, the Repubs keep pushing it closer by incessant attacks.

October 2, 2013 at 8:31 a.m.
joneses said...

I am meeting with my accountant today and so far the way he explained it to me last night is I can cancel the insurance for my 28 employees on 1/1/14 which is about $900.00 per month for each employee and they can enroll in the exchanges. So actually from what I understand obamacare has the potential to give me a $25,000.00 per month raise. I hate it for my employees because they will be taking a pay cut as they will have to pay for their own insurance on the exchanges but hey, like you liberals say it is the law of the land. This is a perfect example of obama making the wealthy wealthier. I do not have all the numbers crunched and my accountant, like the dummycrats that voted for obamacare, do not know what is in this crap yet but it actually looks pretty good for my bottom line. We will see as we learn the loop holes.

October 2, 2013 at 8:39 a.m.
tribal said...

Jonses, if you're actually weighing the option of paying for your employees' health insurance or giving yourself a $25k raise, then you're a crap boss and deserve to lose whatever employees leave for a company that actually appreciates their skills. Your business seemingly operates on pretty thin margins, so that doesn't seem like a good idea if you rely heavily on intellectual capital. But please, try and extrapolate for me how this will happen to larger companies with more low-skilled employees who get crap healthcare(if any at all) to begin with.

October 2, 2013 at 8:52 a.m.
aidehua said...

It is essential that future generations of Americans not be burdened with the horrendous debts that Obama and others have run up in the last five years. The federal government has grown to such elephantine proportions that it would do us taxpayers good to have them furloughed for a spell. Why blame the GOP for the impasse? Because that is what Clay's puppet master George Soros tells him to do.

October 2, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
whatsnottaken said...

Tooney forgot it took three to shutdown a government: King Kenyan, The Boner and Harry the Hypocrit. Back to the crayons Tooney.

October 2, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
moon4kat said...

Republicans are acting like spoiled brats, throwing a costly tantrum to get their way after they couldn't win enough votes to stop enactment of the ACA. The ACA is a legitimate law, enacted by a majority of Congress. The GOP is embarrassing itself while selfishly, childishly wreaking chaos and ruin on the USA. They will ultimately suffer for this foolishness. We need a responsible GOP, but don't have one.

October 2, 2013 at 9:34 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Tribal said...."Fairmon, I have great, cheap healthcare and my payments aren't changing a cent... because it's actually up to a reasonable standard of a health insurance plan. If your premiums are going up, it's probably because you had a crap health plan and your insurance provider is passing the overhead on to you. Here's the great part about obamacare: you can change your plan now, and you will probably find one much cheaper - or you can wait, and your costs will likely go down as competition makes your insurance company feel the hurt as others eat the pie out from under it.

Also, ~30+ million folks will be getting insured who previously could not."

Great thing about obamacare is you can change now? Obamacare is the crap plan. Ever heard the saying you pay for what you get? The "overhead" is getting passed to the insured tax payer. It's simple. I'm insured, I'm a tax payer, and my premium is going up. And thirty million who didn't have insurance will be signing up? Hahahaha. Kept lying to yourself

October 2, 2013 at 9:51 a.m.
degage said...

moonie, No the democrats are the tantrum throwers, my way or the high way ,we will not compromise. Republican want the ACA delayed for the individual like it is being delayed for big business and the unions, and they want the congress and the president and staffers to abide by the law themselves. We are aware it is the law, but if that is so, everyone should be treated the same, not good for some and not for others.

October 2, 2013 at 10:01 a.m.
caddy said...

"Many...seem to miss the point, thinking that expropriation is wrong just because the wrong groups are in power, choosing the wrong causes for subsidy. This is where the horror stories are offered, and horrible they are: of subsidies to promote abortion, subsidies to photograph crucifixes in jars of urine, subsidies for all sorts of wickedness and blasphemy. But expropriation would be wrong even if each of its causes were good. Consider the following progression.

1. On a dark street, a man draws a knife and demands my money for drugs.

2. Instead of demanding my money for drugs, he demands it for the Church.

3. Instead of being alone, he is with a bishop of the Church who acts as bagman.

4. Instead of drawing a knife, he produces a policeman who says I must do as he says.

5. Instead of meeting me on the street, he mails me his demand as an official agent of the government.

If the first is theft, it is difficult to see why the other four are not also theft. Expropriation is wrong not because its causes are wrong, but because it is a violation of the Eighth Commandment: Thou shalt not steal."

J. Budziszewski teaches in the Department of Government at the University of Texas, Austin.

October 2, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
tribal said...

Facyspacy, the point is that your insurance is probably crap in the fine print and your provider is being forced to bring it up to spec. My premiums are not changing at all because the insurance is already up to that spec.

At least 30 million will be signing up. You're the one fooling yourself if you think that they won't - aside from the fact that they are required to sign up or pay a fine, there are ~70 million plus Americans living in what qualifies as poverty.

Degage, the exemptions talking point is an old, tired one that has been debunked even by the likes of Fox News. Sorry, but it's clear to anyone with half a brain that the hardliner GOP elements are to blame for this particular issue. Both parties share the blame for our current fiscal woes, but this shutdown is entirely the result of a desperate gambit by a minority caucus who are well aware that public sentiment has been gradually shifting away from hardline conservatism for quite some time and that trend has only accelerated in the past few years.

October 2, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
mowgli16 said...

Clay Bennett is a national treasure!!

October 2, 2013 at 10:34 a.m.
caddy said...

It's amazing that more people don't get the real truth behind this scene.

The image below is from the Matrix. In the scene, the traitor makes a deal with the Matrix Agents. In return for his obedience, he wants to be plugged back in. But his conditions include being made rich, and having his memory of the horrible truth of reality erased.

Everyone picks up on the surface observation, that it is a sad fact that "ignorance is bliss." But the deeper truth is this: How idiotic it is to trust the State to care about you. Why in the world would the Matrix honor their deal? They are amoral machines. Obviously, once he gives them what they want, they will just kill him. They would never go to the trouble of plugging him back and erasing his mind -- his value to them is ended.

Not only is his treason cowardly, it is illogical and pointless. In the same way, partnering with the real world State is illogical and pointless. They have no reason to honor any bargain with you. They will simple take what they need for as long as they need, and then dispose of you one way or another. Not only is what they are promising worthless, they will likely not even deliver on their promise.

When people do not understand Depravity, their depravity, and that all are Depraved,fallen, sinful, they fail to understand everything else due to it.

http://i.imgur.com/Gyzht.jpg

October 2, 2013 at 10:41 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

What is all this nonsense about people having insurance? The folks that did lay out some jack yesterday are the ones desperate to obtain health coverage for their pre-existing conditions. And good for them. Now they did fill out an application with advanced payment and nothing more. Acceptance is the next step along with the hope that enough healthy young people join with them to subsidize their health care. I believe that with acceptance these people will be covered 1/1/2014. Not yesterday!

So what happens if the majority of applicants are the ill who so desperately need what will truly be affordable health care for them? How will these companies insuring the group make good on these policies or will they simply raise the rates to cover costs? Will it continue to be affordable at that point or will the generosity of the taxpayers simply foot the bill for the group? Who is feeling generous???

Is that Clay's dad in a diaper sucking on his binky? And look whoever dressed him this morning found out his favorite animal is the elephant. Now isn't that sweet!!

October 2, 2013 at 10:52 a.m.
bret said...

joneses, your argument makes no sense. You could have cancelled your employee's insurance at any time prior to Obamacare and given yourself that $25,000/month raise. So what does Obamacare have to do with that? Larger companies risk having to pay a fine if they cancel their employee insurance. They would be stupid to do so when they could have already cancelled it without a fine. Either you value your employees enough to offer them insurance or you don't. Obamacare has nothing to do with it.

October 2, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
tribal said...

whatsthefuss, Your logic fails when you consider that everyone must get health insurance or pay $95/year. Most young people will take the health insurance that they previously could not afford over throwing their money away.

October 2, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
mowgli16 said...

There was a day when being Conservative meant you advocated for personal responsibility. Not any more. Freedom to the Teabaggers means being free to be a free-rider or freeloader in America.

You see, the idea of the individual mandate actually originated at the Heritage Foundation. Similar to auto insurance, the idea was that Americans need to have insurance because of the unique nature of the health market. If you are uninsured and get in a bad car wreck, and end up at the ER, unless you are fabulously wealthy, Americans like me are going to end up paying for your healthcare. That's wrong. That's welfare. But to a Teabagger, it's freedom.

October 2, 2013 at 11:21 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Tribal said..... "Facyspacy, the point is that your insurance is probably crap in the fine print and your provider is being forced to bring it up to spec. My premiums are not changing at all because the insurance is already up to that spec.

At least 30 million will be signing up. You're the one fooling yourself if you think that they won't - aside from the fact that they are required to sign up or pay a fine, there are ~70 million plus Americans living in what qualifies as poverty."

Funny, cause I've been selling medical insurance for 5 yrs.... My insurance is crap? It's the kind where I know my dr will help me if I'm sick. Already up to spec? Most ignorant posts I've ever read on here are yours. 30 million signing up, huh? When? What about the healthy 28 yr old male, who can all of a sudden choose to buy healthcare for $1500 a yr or pay a $95 fine. What's he gonna choose to do? Look at the 53 yr old unemployed uninsured single woman who has a brain tumor? What she gonna do? She will sign up. The the treatment is not free. The insurance company has to pay for it. If the ins co has to pay, guess who is really going to get to pay for it? Me! So now you add a couple million "unhealthy" people for insurance companies to foot the bill, and then you have millions of others who choose not to sign up but pay the fine to the government (not the ins co), then explain how your "spec" is not gonna go up?

October 2, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
tifosi said...

Clay Bennett for President!

October 2, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
facyspacy said...

And yes, joneses, you could have dropped the ins years ago and gave yourself a "raise". Why start now?

October 2, 2013 at 11:26 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Hah, clay Bennett could be the manager of Images on Brainerd rd

October 2, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
Maximus said...

Please close the Post Office and keep it closed. We will not miss itin about two weeks private sector companies will be doing the work, union free, much more efficiently. Again, most of the stuff Obama is closing is simply a power move. If Obama really really had power he'd close the airports and the interstate highways. Just like the sequester, which was a disappointment to the Obama administration because it did not cause enough pain, the shutdown will be painless too for those that are hard working and self reliant.

October 2, 2013 at 12:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tribal said...

You as the layperson have absolutely no say whatsoever in what private enterprise does.

Really ?!? ... You mean I can open a business and can take any actions I please no matter the wishes of the consumers and I will succeed none the less? A “Wharton” graduate you ain’t.

conservative, you're just upset that the tens of millions of people whom you blame for your own personal misfortunes have healthcare now.

You mean the unfortunate poor that qualified for Medicaid but were too ignorant or careless to do so? Or maybe the millions that were too cheap and didn’t bother to purchase coverage before they became ill. Either way the “Producer Class” was paying their medical bill before and with the subsidies they will be paying their medical bills now. The only difference is an additional several layers of bureaucracy.

October 2, 2013 at 12:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

What bret said. :)

How original of you... in fact on several levels ... Right Pal?

October 2, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

These are the two most essential federal employees that Toonboy could think of? You mean he couldn't have picked someone from the Justice, State, Education Departments or the EPA? ......Well maybe he's right after all.

October 2, 2013 at 12:52 p.m.
soakya said...

tribal,

how did you come to the conclusion that joneses is operating on thin margins and don't you liberals want business's to operate on thin profit margins.

October 2, 2013 at 1:22 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Yesterday Clay depicted the teabagging GOP as terrorists; today as babies. The fact is, they are both. Our entire nation is being held hostage by these people of diminished intelligence and supreme arrogance. We have a group of people with a mixture of libertarian/tea party views of unrestrained individual freedom that is so extreme and impractical it could not possibly exist in this or any civilized society, and they have a visceral hatred of government that is so irrational as to border on the psychotic.

You people laying the blame at the feet of Congress and our gridlocked 2-party system, with Dems and Repubs equally to blame, could not be more wrong. Certainly there is much the Dems are guilty of but what is happening here is entirely the fault of Republicans as they bend over backward to appease their wacko tea party base. Obamacare has passed constitutional muster and is the law of the land whether you teabagging Obama haters like it or not. Stop whining like 2-yr. olds who are denied a piece of candy. Now that your efforts to repeal it have failed (after 42 times, no less) you decide to hold the entire country hostage unless Obama and the Dems cave in to your demands to gut it. And when they don't cave, you whine that they "refuse to meet you halfway." Any sane, reasonably objective person can see who's ultimately to blame for this mess and for the majority of the gridlock that has been plaguing our government ever since Obama took office: the nutty teabaggers and libertarians who have never matured past that infantile stage of me-first. You refuse to grow up and accept that the world cannot be your playground with you writing the rules for yourselves, so you try to take everybody down with you. You might think of yourselves as the only true patriots, but most people are beginning to see you for what you are - domestic terrorists. Or at least babies playing terrorists...and doing a damn good job of it.

October 2, 2013 at 1:54 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

tribal,

It's simple dollars & cents. The majority of healthy young people without health insurance do not earn enough to indulge in such whims as health insurance. The facts elude you. Average high school grad earns @ $20,000 annually. Do the math on living expenses after taxes and tell us where the money will come from? Even if a single young man or woman purchased a bronze plan and had a major illness or accident the lack of resources to pay the deductible would put them in court facing garnishment which most often leads to bankruptcy. Funny how Obama touted throughout this ordeal how Obamacare would eliminate families and individuals being forced into bankruptcy.

The culprit here is Corporate America and for some unknown reason the Democrats who claim only Republicans look out for big business seem to be in bed with the fat cats too. Now how about that???

If you liked Cash for Clunkers, you are going to love Obamacare!

Same attempt at a big business bailout, same president, same political party.

October 2, 2013 at 2:03 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

"Please close the Post Office and keep it closed. We will not miss it in about two weeks private sector companies will be doing the work, union free, much more efficiently." - Maximus

A perfect example of that ultra-conservative "thinking," which in reality is not thinking at all but knee-jerk sentiment and babble from the teabagging mindset.

FedEx, UPS, and the Post Office have a symbiotic relationship, working more as business partners than competitors. Last year FedEx earned $1.5 billion from the Postal Service as the agency’s number one supplier. UPS earned $102 million from the Postal Service, a $7 million increase from the year before. What's more, the costs for FedEx and UPS to deliver to rural areas are prohibitive, whereas not so much for the Post Office. So FedEx and UPS use the Postal Service for those far-out areas where it would cost them too much to deliver.

FedEx and UPS operate under entirely different structures but they have learned how to work together in a way that is beneficial for everyone concerned. Take away one and you harm the other, in a big way. No private company could afford to deliver mail and smaller parcels to the outlying areas or even within the cities the way the Post Office does. People like Maximus might not miss the PO if were shut down tomorrow, but millions of other people would. And no private company would jump in to fill the void because there is no way that it would be profitable for them to do so. FedEx and UPS know that. But then, maybe Maximus in all his conservative and entrepreneurial wisdom has a plan to make it work.

October 2, 2013 at 2:40 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tribal said...

I have great, cheap healthcare and my payments aren't changing a cent... because it's actually up to a reasonable standard of a health insurance plan.

But it is “cheap” ... Right? ... and it’s up to a “reasonable” (?) standard as well?

If your premiums are going up, it's probably because you had a crap health plan and your insurance provider is passing the overhead on to you.

Are you buying your insurance down at Al’s Fine Used Cars & Stuff where you “pay only invoice with the savings passed on to you the consumer”... No overhead there!

Here's the great part about obamacare: you can change your plan now, and you will probably find one much cheaper - or you can wait, and your costs will likely go down as competition makes your insurance company feel the hurt as others eat the pie out from under it.

I guess it will be hard to compete against a heavily taxpayer subsidized or free product.

October 2, 2013 at 3:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

inquiringmind said...

The Senate to place in the CR a retroactive ban on all assault rifles and any gun with a magazine holding more than 8 rounds, or caliber larger than 0.22.

Have you ever heard of the term “A snowballs chance in he!!”?

They could also add a provision that all states must allow register by main again. This could get interesting.

Have you ever heard of the constitution?

Maybe you should make some” inquiries”.

October 2, 2013 at 3:08 p.m.
limric said...

Dear Mr. President, Members of Congress & Senate,

YOU ASS HOLES!!

Rabbi Michael Lerner from’ Tikkun Magazine’ wrote:

”If [Democrats] had a backbone, they would have insisted that if the government is going to be shut down, then all of the government should be shut. Instead, they’ve taken the standpoint of the Republicans in dividing “essential services” from “non-essential,” and saying only non-essential services are to be shut down. So when it comes to taking care of the poor and the powerless, those services get shut.”

”What they should have been saying, and could still say, is this: the government finances and the ability to pay the national debt impact everything, and if the Republicans want to shut down the government, then everything will be shut. So, no pay for anyone who receives government pay, including (especially) the Congress (which right now continues to get paid), the entire military (after all, we are not in a war, and if we are still fighting in Afghanistan, we shouldn’t be), the entire homeland security, NSA, FBI, etc. including the people searching us when we get on airplanes (and if the airports have to shut down, well, that’s another consequence of the Republican’s move), the border guards and the entire Immigration and Naturalization service.”

Essential/ non-essential. You idiots think we can’t see your game!?!?!

FU*K YOU DEMOCRATS, and a non-lubricated BUTT FU*K FOR YOU REPUBLICANS

There, I feel better. Hand me the Tequila’.

October 2, 2013 at 3:55 p.m.
Rickaroo said...

Limric, to that extent I have to agree with you. I fault the Repubs for causing this shut-down in the first place but you're right, the Dems should have had the backbone to get down and play their game at their level. The problem with the Dems has always been a matter of backbone, or lack thereof. The majority of them are afraid to even admit to being liberal and they do their best to ignore their progressive base, while the Repubs unashamedly cater to their teabagging and Bible-thumping extremists.

We are at a crucial time when we need someone in office like FDR, who was not afraid of his conservative enemies, in fact he welcomed their wrath and even thrived on it. Obama has often talked the talk but not walked the walk. But then, our politics has become so corrupted by the rich and the powerful that I don't know that one man can make a difference anyway.

October 2, 2013 at 4:11 p.m.
ibshame said...

"In a meeting of Senate Republicans, Senator Lamar Alexander of Tennessee rose to ask how the party would respond if it controlled the White House and the Senate and a Democratic House insisted it would not finance the government unless Washington rolled back laws hampering unions."

Hmm let's see if recent history has an answer for Ole Lamar. I think it was the fall of 2002, yeah that's it. Repubs controlled both Houses of Congress, the USSC and the White House. Any Dems who dared to question why George W. Bush was so willing to take this country to war were declared to be traitors, unpatriotic, enemies of the state, or were linked to Osama Bin Laden (like Senator Max Clelland of Georgia, a decorated veteran)for speaking out or daring even to question Bush's decision to attack Iraq. So most of the Dems gave in to Bush's demand for war because they didn't want the country thinking Dems were weak and were willing to allow Saddam Hussein to attack this country.

Of course it never occured to some of them just exactly what it was going to cost the U.S. to allow Bush, the decider, to make this decision. A decision as it turned out that cost the lives of over 4000 U.S. soldiers, maimed thousands for life, killed hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians, became a recruiting tool for AlQaeda, cost billions of U.S. dollars and last but certainly not least turned out to be all for nothing because Iraq was not involved in 911; did not have any WMD's (because they had all been destroyed in the 90's) and of course destroyed practically all of the infastructure in Iraq.

The country was practically destroyed once before by Repubs, Neo-cons, cowardly Dems and Bush. This time it will be Teabaggers and the Repubs who are too cowardly to stand up and speak out against the kind of treachery of shutting the government down and not being willing to pay the bills the Congress has racked up by raising the debt-ceiling just as the cowardly Dems were willing to follow along in the disaster that was the Iraq War.

October 2, 2013 at 4:12 p.m.
jesse said...

What Limric said!IN SPADES!!!

They shot down my fishin trip i had planed for next week on the Hiwassee !I wern't too mad till i found out the Cherokee Nat. Forrest was barricaded off w/ NO ACCESS til this is OVER!

October 2, 2013 at 5:16 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

EaTn said...

The latest figures show that the top wealth has grown the past few years while the middle has shrunk.

Maybe the middle should collect some wealth other than Elvis Commemorative Dishes, cell phone/cable T.V contracts, or an overvalued house they couldn’t pay for?

Obamacare is the first step toward a single-payer system. Unwittingly, the Repubs keep pushing it closer by incessant attacks.

When you’re standing at the precipice, one more step is usually not a real great idea ... however you are a Fleabagger so who knows what’s going through that skull of mush on your shoulders.

October 2, 2013 at 5:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tribal said...

Jonses, if you're actually weighing the option of paying for your employees' health insurance or giving yourself a $25k raise, then you're a crap boss and deserve to lose whatever employees leave for a company that actually appreciates their skills.

I don’t know how joneses is going to handle this situation but any smart employer with current employee insurance would take an action such as this. Drop your employee insurance, pay the penalty if more than 49 employees, split the balance with the employees as compensation in-lieu of the insurance, dump them on the ACA exchanges and let the taxpayers (the employees but they won’t figure it out) pay the subsidies. The owner will see an increased net profit and the employees will think they got a raise in pay along with heavily subsidized health insurance. For all they’ll know it was a win - win because those subsidies are coming out of that secret Obama stash that he buys cell phones from ... right?

But please, try and extrapolate for me how this will happen to larger companies with more low-skilled employees who get crap healthcare(if any at all) to begin with.

Maybe they should buy some of that “cheap” insurance that you have which is up to some nebulous “reasonable” standards.... Right?

October 2, 2013 at 5:35 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

Limric,

I like the way you lube up for your fellow Democrats. With a unit your size and your ear being so stretched, I guess any port in a storm will do. One question, adding this trick to the equation do you wipe off your chin before or after?

I now see why you Democrats are becoming so upset with the shutdown. Hell, with the National Military Parks closed where is a guy supposed to get a drive by with a reach around? The truck stops are sure to be a popular place until BHO straightens this thing out.

I laugh at the news snippets about how successful opening day of Obamadosen'tcare was. Imagine the 30 million healthy people giving the government their money so they can be insured on January 1st 2014. That is where I would put my money!! Who said Americans aren't smart? And healthy too!!!

October 2, 2013 at 6:56 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

moon4kat said...

The ACA is a legitimate law, enacted by a majority of Congress.

I agree .. once a law is legitimate and passed by a whole majority in Congress, that’s it, no more discussion, it’s set in stone for all time and will never be altered or overturned ... Right?

We need a responsible GOP, but don't have one.

Your distress at the GOP’s lot and concern for their well being is ... well if I may say so ... It’s simply heart warming.

October 2, 2013 at 7:12 p.m.
volsam said...

A new report from the department of Gubment cheese indicates over 100,000 comedians are unemployed, and this pile of Clay is trying to make a joke.Almost makes David Letterman seem funny.Would somebody PLEEEEZE take the crayons out of this white a** crackers hands.Oh wait a minute that was George Zimmerman.

October 2, 2013 at 7:13 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tribal said...

Facyspacy, the point is that your insurance is probably crap in the fine print and your provider is being forced to bring it up to spec. My premiums are not changing at all because the insurance is already up to that spec.

Spec.? ... is that another way of saying “”cheap” insurance that it is up to “reasonable standards”?

At least 30 million will be signing up. You're the one fooling yourself if you think that they won't -aside from the fact that they are required to sign up or pay a fine, there are ~70 million plus Americans living in what qualifies as poverty.

You mean “qualified as poverty” like your retired neighbor that has a paid off house, two cars, several ten or hundred thousands of dollars in the bank or investments yet has to live off of that poverty level Social Security. Maybe it’s the increasing by leaps and bounds disabled ones that have similar resources? ... etc ... etc ... Qualifying for poverty is definitely a growth business in this country for sure.

Sorry, but it's clear to anyone with half a brain that the hardliner GOP elements are to blame for this particular issue.

So you’re the “anyone” with a half a brain?

public sentiment has been gradually shifting away from hardline conservatism for quite some time and that trend has only accelerated in the past few years.

Americans are more conservative than they have been in decades

From the Washington Post:

By Larry Bartels -

The latest update of Stimson’s policy mood series suggests that the American public in 2012 was more conservative than at any point since 1952. (Actually, since mood in each year is estimated with some error, it seems safer to say that the current level of conservatism roughly equals the previous highs recorded in 1980 and 1952.) While the slight increase in conservatism from 2011 to 2012 is too small to be significant, it continues a marked trend that began as soon as Barack Obama moved into the White House.

October 2, 2013 at 7:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

mowgli16 said...

There was a day when being Conservative meant you advocated for personal responsibility.

They still do just as I hold you Fleabaggers personally responsible for the horse squeeze you post here.

Freedom to the Teabaggers means being free to be a free-rider or freeloader in America.

But yesterday and the day before and etc. you Fleabaggers posted how we are evil by making people cry their own load. “You people” are never happy.

You see, the idea of the individual mandate actually originated at the Heritage Foundation.

Well Peyton Manning doesn’t complete all of his passes as it just seems that way.

If you are uninsured and get in a bad car wreck, and end up at the ER, unless you are fabulously wealthy, Americans like me are going to end up paying for your healthcare. That's wrong. That's welfare. But to a Teabagger, it's freedom.

If you’re a taxpayer you’re going to continue to pay for their healthcare anyway. If you were for freedom you would let the healthcare insurance consumers decide for themselves and to accept freely the consequences of their actions. Those that choose not to purchase coverage and are not financially destitute or truly disabled should not be allowed to so easily relieve themselves of their obligations to pay their own bills. That’s real freedom.

October 2, 2013 at 7:30 p.m.
fairmon said...

tribal said...

My premiums are not changing at all because the insurance is already up to that spec.

You are either a government employee and if so you will not see a greater cost to you. If not you are fantasizing and may have to pay a tax due to your Cadillac plan. Next years rates have not yet been published so the confidence of not increasing may be early.

October 2, 2013 at 7:32 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tribal said...

whatsthefuss, Your logic fails when you consider that everyone must get health insurance or pay $95/year. Most young people will take the health insurance that they previously could not afford over throwing their money away.

According to Gallup young people are the least informed about the ACA and respond in the greatest numbers that they will not participate. Without this group the plan can not meet its targets ... crash and burn?

October 2, 2013 at 7:42 p.m.
volsam said...

jt6, You my friend are correct about the country being more conservative than ever, now if we could convince the G O P of this trend.Then we could come up with more conservative candidates to run for P O T U S.The last 2 were a war monger liberal rino .The other was a mushy moderate fro Mass. Both men were personally good men but their politics leave a lot to be desired.We need a candidate that means what he says and isn't afraid to take the fight to the progressives.Neither of the last 2 did.They didn't bring up any of Obama's past dealings communists and crooks.

October 2, 2013 at 7:43 p.m.
tifosi said...

Tick tock tick tock...

The clock is ticking on the GOP to self implode.

October 2, 2013 at 7:56 p.m.
volsam said...

jt6, mowgli16 last few posts makes me think he or she drank the Koolaid and seems to be slipping into a mental comma.He can't substantiate any of his claims.He seems to think teabaggers, his name not mine,are monsters but are actually very nice compassionate and caring patriots.He also has no compassion for the children who are going to have to pay for OUR debt.I figured that out last night.He bashed me for telling the truth.

October 2, 2013 at 7:59 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

bret said...

joneses, your argument makes no sense. You could have cancelled your employee's insurance at any time prior to Obamacare and given yourself that $25,000/month raise. So what does Obamacare have to do with that?

It now provides an employer a heavily taxpayer subsidized program to dump the employees on. Most employers are only subsidizing their employees insurance by 1/2 to 1/3. The ACA coverage will most likely be subsidized a greater amount and the employees will think they are getting a bargain even though their taxes are paying for the subsidies.

Larger companies risk having to pay a fine if they cancel their employee insurance. They would be stupid to do so when they could have already cancelled it without a fine.

They now have the advantage described above and they will pay the penalty even if they had canceled the coverage earlier. This way the employees “feel” they have lost nothing and may “feel” they have gained via the greater subsidized insurance.

October 2, 2013 at 8:06 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

You people laying the blame at the feet of Congress and our gridlocked 2-party system, with Dems and Repubs equally to blame, could not be more wrong. Certainly there is much the Dems are guilty of but what is happening here is entirely the fault of Republicans as they bend over backward to appease their wacko tea party base.

Obviously the “Conservative” Republicans will stand in defense of their values and the Fleabaggers need to grow a pair.

Obamacare has passed constitutional muster

is the law of the land

whether you teabagging Obama haters like it or not

your efforts to repeal it have failed

you decide to hold the entire country hostage

who's ultimately to blame for this mess

and for the majority of the gridlock

ever since Obama took office

never matured past that infantile stage of me-first

refuse to grow up and accept that the world

cannot be your playground with you writing the rules for yourselves

you try to take everybody down with you

see you for what you are - domestic terrorists

at least babies playing terrorists

Bitch and Whine ... That’s all you Fleabaggers do ... You do know that this is not youth soccer where everyone gets equal playing time and a trophy at the end of the year ... don’t you?

October 2, 2013 at 8:08 p.m.
volsam said...

tifiso the GOP self imploded a long, long time ago.That's why I left the party.

October 2, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
GlacierClipper said...

The Democrats and Rebulicians are both to blame for the shutdown. Both parties seems to think that this is their way of "Playing Musical Chairs" and getting passing remarks from the people. Well it seems to be that both sides are failing over and over again while trying to play "Show and Tell".

The politicians need to be removed from office and replaced with people that will get the job done. When they don't get the job done, vote them out of office. They are not essential members of Senate and Congress, because they hijacked the U.S. Constitution and ingored the voices of the citizens many times.

October 2, 2013 at 8:49 p.m.
mowgli16 said...

Beware of anyone who proclaims themselves a "Patriot." In 2013, that's code for Teabagger. They think they love America more than everybody. But actions speak louder than words. Most are angry, uneducated, white folk. Pathetic, really. Especially considering they are being led by a Canadian elitist.

October 2, 2013 at 9:01 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

I'm absolutely convinced that the majority of people who oppose ACA, honoring the debts we have already incurred, effectively keeping one's word, and see President Obama purely on a race basis, live in Tennessee. This discourse is absolutely amazing. If terrorism and dictatorial rule ever had a definition, it is in the comments by the anti-Obama faction on this page. Absolutely amazing. Blind guides leading the blind.

October 2, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
rick1 said...

I mentioned yesterday how The Obama Administration refused to allow WWII veterans to view the WWII memorial. The memorial is located at The National Mall and there are no fences around its 309 acres. No entrances, no guard posts, just wide open spaces dotted with monuments and museums.

The Obama Administration has order barricades to be put up to keep the WWII veterans out and they have also assigned police to man the barricades. So Obama is placing more man power to watch the barricades then what is required when the government isn't shut down.

This tells you what a despicable and disgusting human being Obama is with his treatment towards the men and women of our military. Just remember all of you who have served or have family that is currently or have served in the military and believe Obama is the greatest. Obama has more armed guards protecting the WWII Memorial from our veterans than there were protecting our embassy in Benghazi from terrorists.

October 2, 2013 at 9:48 p.m.
volsam said...

mowgli16, Why so paranoid.The TEA PARTY is not your enemy,They are just regular people who believe in a more constitutional Government and a fairer tax system that doesn't punish the middle and give the bottom and top all the breaks.The middle income has carried the tax burden for way to long.I,m not a tea party member but attend the very first rally they had in Chatt.Out of 3000 people who attended I only witnessed one person who was not very friendly.The rest were like anybody you would meet on the street.They are peaceful and DO NOT pose a threat to you or anybody else.

October 2, 2013 at 9:50 p.m.
volsam said...

mogli16,The men who created the greatest system of Government the world has ever known were angry white men to.And for basically the same reason the TEA PARTY was formed.I'm sure you know the history.Which actions are you talking about? Seeking smaller Government?Trying to slow down out of control spending? Worrying about the massive debt that we will NEVER be able pay off?Unfunded liabilities at 125 trillion and growing?Another welfare system when the ones we have now are bankrupt? I don't know why you despise them so much.

October 2, 2013 at 10:13 p.m.
gypsylady said...

Now I get it. The one on the right is an age progression rendering of David Vitter.

October 2, 2013 at 10:22 p.m.
fairmon said...

A lot of disagreement and jockeying within congress and those in administrative positions. Isn't that why we are a republic and have a two party system. The republic form of government with checks and balances prevents those in the minority from being dictated to by the majority. Seems to be working reasonably well.

October 2, 2013 at 10:28 p.m.
fairmon said...

Limric said it best at 3:55 p.m.

I say allow both parties to implode and elect a libertarian.

October 2, 2013 at 10:33 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

limric said...

Rabbi Michael Lerner from’ Tikkun Magazine’ wrote:

OMG ... A hardline Marxist self hating Jew. A perfect example of who to take political advice from.

I do however like the end paragraph of his “Stab your political opponents in the back” screed. It is so believable considering what precedes it.

“So it’s time for spiritual progressives to build a force capable of challenging the Dems to move in a more principled way toward a world of genuine caring and love and generosity, a kind of love-wing alternative to the Tea Party.”

October 2, 2013 at 10:46 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

FedEx, UPS, and the Post Office have a symbiotic relationship, working more as business partners than competitors. Last year FedEx earned $1.5 billion from the Postal Service as the agency’s number one supplier. UPS earned $102 million from the Postal Service, a $7 million increase from the year before.

Is there any rational reason to allow the USPS to install itself as just another level of bureaucracy between shippers and recipients of package transport even to rural areas?

As far as “”snail mail”” it is a fact it’s usage is declining at an increasing rate every year. Let urban and suburban dweller pick it up at central locations (you know post offices) and rural delivery twice a week. They don’t deliver anything but junk mail anyway so cut out the discount rates to those advertising bozos.

October 2, 2013 at 10:49 p.m.
soakya said...

once again tifosi is in the dark and clueless

October 2, 2013 at 11:12 p.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

Boy, I really have been missing some gems here!

Really Bennett! You get paid for this! Congratulations!

October 3, 2013 at midnight
fairmon said...

USPS is still operating under pony express rules thanks to congress. Why are they required to deliver daily to any remote location where someone elects to live? The person making the choice to live remotely could make do with picking their mail up at the nearest populated location or have delivery once per week.

The USPS should be allowed by congress to charge enough for their services to meet expenses. They may lose a lot of business to the private sector, so what? One big issue with the USPS is unfunded pension liabilities which is among the most liberal plans around. Comparing employee productivity and total compensation to the private sector reveals the root cause of USPS financial dilemma.

October 3, 2013 at 2:20 a.m.
gjuster said...

To those arguing that Obamacare is the law of the land - quit fighting it. Are you saying that a law can't be changed or repealed? That once it is passed nothing can be done with it? Then you better talk to the President because on his own he has changed the law. Of course existing laws are changed. Bad laws are taken off the books all the time.

October 3, 2013 at 4:03 a.m.
joneses said...

Harry Reid yesterday said this: "Why would I help one child with cancer when I have 1200 people furloughed at Nellis AFB?" And you liberals spread lies about Republicans not caring?

October 3, 2013 at 7:14 a.m.
gjuster said...

Maximus - Let's play golf sometime

October 3, 2013 at 7:16 a.m.
fairmon said...

From CNBC financial:

What's clear from the president's remarks are two things: 1) Despite his claims to the contrary, he is pushing the rhetoric that this is Republicans' fault and, more specifically, tea party Republicans; and 2) that he is out of his depth when discussing financing issues," Roth said.

"While he pandered to small business and the middle class and tried to explain the mandate of the Fed, he is completely unaware or unfazed by the fact that current policies are doing the exact opposite of what he claims he is trying to accomplish."

"His rhetoric about being worried is unsound, he is the one that has to be worried, If he allows the government to default at this hour in our history, it would be a terrible blow to a fragile recovery."


I wonder if the president doesn't want the stock market to drop as a means of putting pressure on those opposing him? This would not be a bad strategy to force their cooperation. If the republicans were smart, obviously they aren't, they would raise the debt ceiling now and continue the debate over the continuing resolution.

October 3, 2013 at 7:25 a.m.
joneses said...

Bret and Tribal

Unintended consequences can be a good or bad thing depending on where you are standing. The democrats own obamacare and everything attached to it like the government shurdown and the decisions businesses make that will have a negative effect on the employees because of obamacare. The typical liberal low information voter employee will blame it on the business where the higher intellectual employee will know it is obamas responsible for the increased cost to them. If you liberals do not like the law then change it, LOL!

Jt6gR3hM

Thanks for your explanation of the impact obamacare has on employees to these numb nut liberals who support that b!tch pelosi who said "we need to vote for obanacare so we can see what is in it". Now the liberals are seeing what is in it and they are pissing and moaning about it. Again obama owns obamacare and all that comes with it.

October 3, 2013 at 7:37 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Fairmon and Joneses, the only person pushing a demand to negotiate anything other than a straight vote on keeping the budget as is is the speaker of the House. Mr. Obama has applied no restrictions or requirements or asked fpr any demands for change to it, or offered any negotiable demand, absolutely no demand. You guys, a tiny minority (27% nationally), own this mess, you are trying to force your political vision down the throats of Americans who have already refuse to accept it and voted it down.

Oh, Rick1, President Obama did not shut down the parks, the tea party did.

The ACA is law of the land; Congress, the Supreme Court and the people own it. Congress can change it, something tried 40+ times with each effort always ending in failure. Where I come from that is called "pointless futility." As I told you earlier, get over it.

October 3, 2013 at 7:51 a.m.
degage said...

Inquiring, You need to get your head out of Obamas a$$.

October 3, 2013 at 8:07 a.m.
joneses said...

iqueeringmind

obama owns obamacare and anything attached to it. The dummycrats did not have any Republican support on the dummycratic socialized approach to heath care. Did you ever think that if that b!tch pelosi, reid and obama would have allowed Republican input on this massive government takeover of 1/6th of the U.S. economy we would be in this mess? You are one misguided fool.

October 3, 2013 at 8:12 a.m.
ibshame said...

"joneses said... obama owns obamacare and anything attached to it. The dummycrats did not have any Republican support on the dummycratic socialized approach to heath care."

You are exactly right and if it succeeds, it will NEVER be called OBAMACARE by any teabaggers or Repubs but they will certainly try in some way to take credit for its success as they always do.Of course another way to put it is as the Sidekick of John McCain, Good Ole Boy Lindsey Graham told Van Susteren on Faux News:

Lindsey Graham on teabaggers favorite channel: Fox News

"GRAHAM: Hillary Clinton decided today to own Obamacare, so in 2016, when this thing falls apart and the economy's in shambles because of Obamacare, I'm going to hereafter call it Clintoncare. She made a huge mistake today. VAN SUSTEREN: And let's say that it's a huge success. GRAHAM: Then she will win. VAN SUSTEREN: In 2016? GRAHAM: Yes. If it's a huge success, Hillary Clinton will win the presidency. If it's the failure I think it's going to be, then she needs to own the result of embracing this bill."

Yep, Senator Graham now this is what's known as hedging your bets. He's just getting the teabaggers ready for the padded rooms they're going to need in 2016 when Hillary walks back into the White House. LOL

October 3, 2013 at 8:40 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

I'd love it but it is too sad. You guys are so easy to flummox that you can only resort to profanity and name calling (that always wins arguments, right?), but i guess gutter-speak comes naturally to you fellows on the school playground. I can't wait to hear you when Hillary is elected in 2016. You'll probably have a stroke choking on your bile, so take some time now to get used to her.

Just to remind you: 73% of the country says "you're it" as far as the shutdown goes, 56% here in Chattanooga.

October 3, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
ibshame said...

Just how out of touch with the American public are teabaggers?

Rand Paul says there's no reason to raise the debt ceiling http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/326265-paul-theres-no-reason-to-raise-the-debt-ceiling

However the majority of the American Public thinks otherwise http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/02/politics/cnn-poll-debt-ceiling/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

Teabaggers march to the beat of a different drummer, their tune is: 2014 the House goes back to the Dems and the Dems keep the Senate. LOL The rest of the Repubs tune: Is there a harbor where we can dump these teabaggers? LOL

October 3, 2013 at 9:23 a.m.
degage said...

Yup, inquiring, almost everyone on this forum results to name calling including you. 12:08 post oct 1st(anti-American subversive). I'm sure you think that is not name calling but would be wrong.

October 3, 2013 at 9:59 a.m.
facyspacy said...

Can't wait to see who Obama blames for obamacare

October 3, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Let's see degage, someone says they oppose the rule of law, says that they are ready for a revolution implying they are ready for violent activity to overthrow the existing government because they think it is violating the Declaration of Independence, try to label the President an Islamist, uses profane language and does not think it is proper to honor laws already passed; limiric says "Dear Mr. President, Members of Congress & Senate, YOU ASS HOLES!!" (the rest censored as very objectionable)

...what am I missing? It sounds pretty subversive, anti-American and childish to me; almost exactly like the language their parents used in the 1950's and 1960's when segregation and the John Birch Society was in vogue down South.

As I said, you should get over it and start playing a constructive part in making the country a better place for all.

October 3, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

The GOP are mutants led by a gang of "Down Syndrome terrorists". ~ I think Limerick said the part in quotations. And he's right.

Want an example? Here you go,

”Not funding the government is a part of funding it.” ~Darrell Issa. Yea, he really did say that.

October 3, 2013 at 11:36 a.m.
nucanuck said...

Senator Bernie Sanders said that he favors a single-payer national health care plan, but that he never considered shutting down the government to try to force the issue. I guess that makes Bernie Sanders a moderate.

October 3, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
nucanuck said...

ibshame,

I hope that you are wrong about Hillary. She certainly has the wind at her back and seems well positioned to become the next President, but her financial support comes from the very financial sector that put America in this hole with the deregulation and subsequent explosion in leveraged products. They also get full credit for the massive socialization of losses following the 2008 crash.

One recent article mentioned that Hillary is quite aware that Elizabeth Warren is the current hot ticket political name and her speaking engagements are packed to the rafters. She is the only American politician who is addressing the core financial issues that have to be addressed if the US is ever going to come back. Hillary's backers hate Elizabeth Warren because she would come straight after them and they know it.

If Warren is to continue to gain traction she will have to raise money at the grass-roots level because the big-boy bankers won't give her a cent. My hope is that Hillary will see the Warren movement building and realize that the groundswell is real. Warren would never agree to run as long as Hillary is in the picture, so something would have to convince Hillary not to become a candidate. A popular groundswell could do it.

October 3, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
tifosi said...

The other thing that happened yesterday was all the manufactured outrage and P.R. stunts. RNC Chair Reince Priebus held a press conference outside the World War II Memorial saying that the RNC would cover the costs for keeping the memorial opening over the next 30 days. Republicans jumped all over a Harry Reid quote trying to make it sound like he didn’t want to help cancer patients when the actual video appears to disprove that. And that came after Democrats on Tuesday hit Republicans for neglecting to fund the NIH. Pretty cynical stuff all around. But here’s the thing about PR stunts: They help you win a news cycle, but they don’t help you win the bigger argument. And the side that’s manufacturing the most outrage and employing the most PR stunts is usually losing. Just ask the Romney campaign… By the way, guess who wasn’t talked about the Reid comments or the WWII memorial issues yesterday -- the six folks in the White House meeting last night.

October 3, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.
whatsnottaken said...

The point is not that the fed is offering insurance. People aren't going to buy any plan because they're simply deadbeats. Why pay for what you can already get free is the ongoing thought. Unfortunately, that is the new American Way.

October 3, 2013 at 12:44 p.m.
degage said...

tifosi, I wasn't in the WH last night so I don't know if they discussed any of those things. I guess you were there and know everything that was said. OR, you are assuming what was talked about. So far I haven't heard anything about all they talked about, if you have, please list the site so the rest of us can see it too.

October 3, 2013 at 2:15 p.m.
ibshame said...

"nucanuck said... I hope that you are wrong about Hillary........ One recent article mentioned that Hillary is quite aware that Elizabeth Warren is the current hot ticket political name and her speaking engagements are packed to the rafters. She is the only American politician who is addressing the core financial issues that have to be addressed if the US is ever going to come back. Hillary's backers hate Elizabeth Warren because she would come straight after them and they know it"

I like Elizabeth Warren but if a female is going to win the White House then she has to come off as strong if not stronger than the male counterpart from the Repubs. There is only one woman who can fit that mold and it's Hillary.

October 3, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
jesse said...

Liz Warren is 3X the person Hillary is w/1/10 the baggage!

October 3, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

The Indian princess was only able to beat her Republican opponent by 54% to 46% in Massachusetts of all places after she spent $44 million on her campaign. Yep! she a hell of a candidate ... Right?

October 3, 2013 at 3:50 p.m.
nucanuck said...

ibshame,

If you haven't seen Elizabeth Warren interrogate bankers appearing before Banking Committee, you should watch. She is as tough, smart, and strong as humans get.

October 3, 2013 at 3:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

guess who wasn’t talked about the Reid comments or the WWII memorial issues yesterday -- the six folks in the White House meeting last night.

I thought that Obama and Dusty Harry said they wouldn’t negotiate and there was no need for a conversation. Looks like someone is blinking.

October 3, 2013 at 3:57 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck said...

If you haven't seen Elizabeth Warren interrogate bankers appearing before Banking Committee, you should watch. She is as tough, smart, and strong as humans get.

That’s her problem as she is a one trick pony and voters will find her endless and unrelenting screeds on that one subject to be terminally boring. That and her constant lying and manipulation about her heritage made her Republican opponent competitive even in the Peoples Republic of Massachusetts.

October 3, 2013 at 4:23 p.m.
conservative said...

This bit of news is just mind boggling.

“The EPA said its plan for dealing with a shutdown would classify 1,069 employees, out of 16,205, as essential”

The EPA will only be operating with less than 7% of its workforce!

93% of the EPA employees are classified by the EPA as non essential!

No wonder the mess media and Demoncrats are trying to scare everyone. They don’t want the public to find out how useless these organizations and government employees are.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/09/30/us-usa-fiscal-epa-idUSBRE98T12E20130930

October 3, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Republicans, “Can I burn your house down?”

“No”

Republicans, “Just the second floor?”

“No”

Republicans, “How about the garage?”

“No”

Republicans, “Let’s discuss what I can burn down.”

“No”

Republicans, “You’re NOT compromising!*”

Bet you Teabaggers were sure electing people entirely based on your hate of governing would have worked better than this, huh?

“Insurgents (the Tea Party) are now Boehners' palace guards.”

Clays cartoon hits the bulls eye.

October 3, 2013 at 4:55 p.m.
fairmon said...

93% of the EPA employees are classified by the EPA as non essential!

That number is too low if those retained were productive during working hours. The DOE number is higher if the truth be known and the department of education is 100% non essential. The IRS is over staffed and adding 16,000 for Obama care. I would like to see any member of congress propose legislation requiring that government only spend the revenue that was available and require them to prioritize spending accordingly. That is how responsible households and successful businesses operate.

October 3, 2013 at 4:56 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MickeyRat said...

”Not funding the government is a part of funding it.” ~Darrell Issa. Yea, he really did say that.

I guess he could have said that he was “unconcerned about tiny helpless babies dying of cancer if it meant compromising over the budget”.

October 3, 2013 at 5:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

nucanuck said...

Senator Bernie Sanders said that he favors a single-payer national health care plan, but that he never considered shutting down the government to try to force the issue. I guess that makes Bernie Sanders a moderate.

Maybe he knows that if he tried that no one would pay any attention or even notice. The only thing he could shut down would be the Senate chamber restroom after one of his 3 burrito lunches.

October 3, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

tifosi said...

Republicans jumped all over a Harry Reid quote trying to make it sound like he didn’t want to help cancer patients

They didn’t have to try very hard as Dusty Harry was doing all of the heavy lifting

October 3, 2013 at 5:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

GOP Donors Revolt Against Republican-Led Government Shutdown

It’s not just Democrats who are angry at the Tea Party-led shutdown. Republican donors are furious their party has managed to ‘grab defeat from the jaws of victory’ on Obamacare—and some are withholding funds, reports David Freedlander.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/10/03/gop-donors-revolt-against-republican-led-government-shutdown.html

October 3, 2013 at 5:10 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Frau Vera Wohlauf (aka Jt6gR3hM) spewed: "I guess he could have said".....

But he didn't --- Did he.

October 3, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.
tifosi said...

Tick tock tick tock...

The GOP meltdown has started. It is the beginning of the end for Teabaggers.

October 3, 2013 at 5:45 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

The Fleabaggers favorite talking point, recently, is that Obamacare is the “law of the land” and should be enforced and obeyed. After all Article II, Section 3 of the Constitution, says the president has the duty to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” However is this just an example of situationally applied concern for our laws. Lets take a look.

Obama claimed that he can refuse to deport 800,000 aliens here in the country illegally in violation of our immigration "Laws of the Land".

Obama istructed that his administration would not enforce the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) during the time that it was the “Law of the Land”.

Obama has instructed the DOJ not to enforce the drug “Laws of the Land” on marijuana in states that have passed laws that conflict with federal law. Considering that Fleabaggers like to point out the federal laws have precedent over state laws especially when dealing with immigration.

Obama appointed members to the National Labor Relations Board even though it was a violation of the “Laws of the Land”.

Obama instructed the Federal Communications Commission to assume authority over Internet regulation despite a ruling by a federal appeals court that it was in violation of the “Laws of the Land”.

The DC Circuit Court of Appeals ruled Obama has not complied with the “Laws of the Land” that designated Yucca Mountain as a repository for nuclear waste.

Obama violated the War Powers Act, which is the “Law of the Land”, in his military attack on Libya

Obama instructed the Department of Health and Human Services to not enforce the work requirements of the 1996 Welfare Reform in violation of the “Law of the Land”.

Obama instructed the Labor Department to violate the WARN Act “Law of the Land” by allowing federal contractors to not give 60 days’ notice before a mass layoff or plant closing. This was during his recent campaign and would have lowered his poll ratings if these planned layoffs were announced and thus a sign of future unemployment increases.

Obama was held in contempt by a federal judge for continuing his deepwater drilling moratorium in the Gulf of Mexico in violation of the “Law of the Land”.

Etc. , Etc.

October 3, 2013 at 6:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

Has anyone on this forum been personally inconvenienced by the shut down of nonessential government functions? Why are so many upset about those elected trying to represent those that elected them? Isn't the two party political process supposed to be disagreeing, dissenting, discussing, debating until there is a resolution and not a revolution. I don't understand why the pubs aren't insisting on the healthcare act being implemented as passed and on the schedule passed without exception. They should fully fund it and raise the debt ceiling immediately. Those passing it made the noose, readied the rope and are ready to allow the floor to fall from under them, please give them the damn rope idiots!

October 3, 2013 at 6:12 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Rickaroo said...

The problem with the Dems has always been a matter of backbone, or lack thereof. The majority of them are afraid to even admit to being liberal and they do their best to ignore their progressive base, while the Repubs unashamedly cater to their teabagging and Bible-thumping extremists.

That would be because this is a center right country and no way the Fleabaggers can run on their true core socialist values.

We are at a crucial time when we need someone in office like FDR, who was not afraid of his conservative enemies, in fact he welcomed their wrath and even thrived on it.

If FDR were alive today he would be indistinguishable from Mitt Romney based on his historical positions.

October 3, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

by MIKE FLYNN

Since the government shutdown on Tuesday, House Republicans have pushed legislation to reopen selected parts of the federal government. To date, 57 House Democrats, almost a third of the caucus, have broken ranks with Leader Pelosi and President Obama to support the GOP refunding efforts.

"Despite these bipartisan votes," Mike Long, spokesman for Rep. Kevin McCarthy, said in a statement to Breitbart News, "Leader Reid and Co-Leader Schumer continue to object to up or down votes on any of these bills including funding for veterans, active service military personnel and pediatric cancer patients."

As Breitbart News has pointed out, the federal government is ordinarily funded by specific appropriations bills covering one or two agencies at a time. There is nothing unusual about the House, or Senate, moving bills to fund individual agencies. Apparently, 57 House Democrats agree with this approach.

As the shutdown stretches on, it will become increasingly clear to the American public that the Democrats won't negotiate or compromise. Their extremist position goes so far as to block how Congress has normally funded government. One-third of the House Democrat caucus is in open revolt of this strategy, however.

Democrat defections will likely increase as the shutdown lingers.

October 3, 2013 at 7:20 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

by BEN SHAPIRO

On Thursday, President Obama launched into yet another broadside against Republicans over the government shutdown while in campaign mode in Rockville, Maryland speaking to a construction company. Oddly, after veering off teleprompter, he likened Republicans shutting down the government to striking workers shutting down a business: “Everybody here does their job, right? If you’re working here and in the middle of the day you just stopped and said, ‘You know what, I want to get something, but I don’t know exactly what I’m gonna get, but I’m just gonna stop working until I get something, I’m gonna shut down the whole plant until I get something, you’d get fired.”

Except that they wouldn’t. Obama, a constitutional law lecturer at the University of Chicago, apparently forgot about the National Labor Relations Act, which explicitly bars employers from firing striking employees.

October 3, 2013 at 7:28 p.m.
limric said...

MIKE FLYNN & BEN SHAPIRO,

OMG…You included a nappy haired science fiction writer AND a hardline matzo ball salesman.

And may I quote? Why yes I may: ”What perfect examples of who to take political advice from.”

You’re such an entrenching tool.

October 3, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
degage said...

The SS is on the march in Washington DC. The park service shutting down things that don't need to be shut down. Police or secret service shooting and killing an African American woman with a baby in the car. Granted she was out of control but it seems they could have ended this without a death. Trigger happy police. Or maybe we could say out of control cops.

October 3, 2013 at 8:37 p.m.
tifosi said...

Tick tock tick tock...

October 3, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

limric said...

You’re such an entrenching tool.

At least, unlike some people, I know not to select the first Google response or bar-fly that pops up.

October 3, 2013 at 11:06 p.m.
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