published Tuesday, October 15th, 2013

Repeal

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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MasterBlaster said...

"Reality does have a well-known liberal bias..."

~ Stephen Colbert

October 15, 2013 at 12:41 a.m.
AndrewLohr said...

Repeal the Soviet Union? Done, but it was reality for 73 years or so. Repeal slavery? Repeal the duly passed Fugitive Slave Act and the duly decided Dred Scott decision? Done, although some of the tactics of the repeal might be questioned.

Repeal the reality that you get less of what you tax, so if you tax health you get less health? Now we're talkin'.

Repeal the reality that you get more of what you pay for, so if you pay for sickness and fornication you'll get more of them?

Repeal the reality that for the government to transfer money from one person to another, the government must transfer unto itself the power to do the transferring--the reality that whatever it does among doctors, O'Romneycare requires thousands of new IRS agents?

Looking at a picture of bars, repeal the reality that the service of our veterans against tyranny in World War II and Vietnam was honorable?

Repeal the reality that if US govt debt were computed the way business debt is computed, it would exceed 100,000,000,000,000 dollars (one hundred trillion), maybe 200,000,000,000,000, with unfunded liabilities? Can we pay that? No. Something is gonna default; some promises are gonna be broken. Take care of the current old folks and give smaller vouchers to younger people to spend/invest any way they want might work. Might.

October 15, 2013 at 12:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

The repealing of reality without knowing what it is could be risky.

October 15, 2013 at 1:47 a.m.
fairmon said...

Was the statement your healthcare insurance will cost less than your cell phone bill a reality? If so it was repealed.

Also repealed were the statements:

If you like the insurance coverage you have you can keep it, if you like your doctor then you can keep that doctor, period.

You can sign up for healthcare coverage easier than shopping on Amazon.

The affordable healthcare act will result in everyone paying less for their healthcare insurance and improve the quality of care at a lower cost.

Repealed is a nice way of labeling those ignorant statements.

We are on the road leading to reality, it is not far away but it may bring shock and dismay instead of a brighter day.

October 15, 2013 at 2:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

States rights are history. Local and state governments have sold their rights for grants, subsidies and other federal favors. The tools of manipulation and dictation have worked to perfection. The federal government has local and state governments behaving like prostitutes that can't say no to the money.

October 15, 2013 at 2:11 a.m.
anniebelle said...

In reality, The Washington Post (hardly a liberal perspective, of course anything this side of Glen Beck is left wing according to the right wing) says: "Imagine we hit the debt ceiling Feb. 15. The BPC's analysis suggests that federal spending over the next month will be about $450 billion. Federal revenues will be nearer to $277 billion. That means that the government will have to default on about 40 percent of its obligations.

The choices it will face quickly become stark. It can cover interest on the debt, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, defense spending, education, food stamps and other low-income transfers, and a handful of other programs, but doing all that will mean defaulting on everything — really (translate reality), everything — else. The FBI will shut down. The people responsible for tracking down loose nukes will lose their jobs. The prisons won't operate. The biomedical researchers won't be funded. The court system will close its doors. The tax refunds won't go out. The Federal Aviation Administration will go offline. The parks will close. Food safety inspections will cease.

This is the difference between a debt-ceiling shutdown and a government shutdown. Research at the Bipartisan Policy Center, puts it this way, "in a government shutdown, the government is shutting down future obligations. With the debt ceiling, They've already obligated the money. They owe these people the payments now, and they can't make them."

Then, of course, there's the financial-market chaos. Trillions of dollars in derivatives and other financial products are based on the interest rate that the federal government pays when borrowing. U.S. government debt is, after all, supposed to be the safest investment in the world, and so it's used to "benchmark" all other sorts of debt. A spike in the Treasury rate would mean a spike in credit card rates and mortgage rates, not to mention all manner of more esoteric financial derivatives. The damage to the economy would be tremendous, and it would occur at every level, from individuals looking for a loan to buy a house to hedge funders trying to play the markets.

October 15, 2013 at 5:42 a.m.
Reardon said...

What frustrates me is that anyone with half a brain could have seen this train-wreck coming for 40, 50 years, and neither the "Greatest Generation," nor the Baby Boomers, have done jack about it.

You guys have enshrined un-reality into all levels of life, and then have the gall to claim those who want substantive roll-backs of the unsustainable to be extremists?

Not that it matters to blood-sucking socialists, but all one needs to look back to is the 1913 Income Tax passed to see the horrible mutation a simple, small tax on the uber-rich can take over time.

That's why it's paramount to fall on the sword to prevent in any way the passage and enshrinement of a law such as the ACA.

October 15, 2013 at 6:06 a.m.
anniebelle said...

What frustrates me is that anyone without a brain would try to convince us that worked all our lives, 50 years for me and 55 for my husband, paid out of each and every paycheck into Social Security and Medicare, that somehow we're "blood-sucking socialists". As far as falling on the sword, you go first, that sounds fair.

October 15, 2013 at 6:23 a.m.
joneses said...

Repeal reality? What reality? Everything hussein obama said about obamacare has been a lie. The hussein obama regime is hiding it's reality of making America a socialist country. This is what they are not telling you foolish liberals. Did you foolish liberals ever think to ask what hussein obama wanted to move the country forward to? Why will he not tell you that?

October 15, 2013 at 6:32 a.m.
caddy said...

The reality is: this President spoke disparagingly of Our Debt in 2006 to get elected. Now he denies there is such a thing and that it even affects us. The man is evil. He knows full well what he is doing, and it is wrecking our economy. Period.

October 15, 2013 at 6:38 a.m.
joneses said...

Just think if the government would have put all the money I paid in Social Security in a mutual fund I would be a millionaire now. But instead the government decided to let SS go broke. And you foolish liberals think the government will do a good job with obamacare?

October 15, 2013 at 6:38 a.m.
jesse said...

What Reardon said!

What puzzles me is we hear about S.S . running out of money all the time BUT NEVER hear about well fare running out!!

October 15, 2013 at 7 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Yes, if all our Social Security money was put in a mutual fund, we would have lost it all in the casino game played by wall street in 2008. What could possibly go wrong with that scheme (scam). Welfare (well fare-sic) is running out for those who desperately need help. Those who are not on the top rung of the ladder. I visit with them every single day and hear enough horror stories to keep me motivated to keep on helping those in need in spite of the overwhelming HATE these teabillies have brought to this country.

October 15, 2013 at 7:12 a.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

The government is you. You vote for these clowns. It's not them it's us. Crime in Tennessee isn't the sole fault of Memphis, it's an equal opportunity problem across the state. The East TN crowd is holding their own with 100 of the 600 drug addicted births in Tennessee coming from just a 5 county area in East TN. According to US Census statistics Washington County/Johnson City, the most populous county of the 5 is 93.7% white.

But we're not just number 1 in babies born to drug addicted mothers. We're also number in the nation in bankruptcy filings. http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/20...

October 15, 2013 at 7:42 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

You've made some good points Anniebelle.
Please keep in mind however that to the Lotus eating (thanks limerick) right wing all was sunshine and flowers before January 2009.

October 15, 2013 at 7:52 a.m.
caddy said...

annibelle, it is each persons responsibly to affect those in need. When a corrupt government takes from you and gives it to someone he ( not you ) deems worthy, tell me how that corruption is checked.

Many Christians seem to miss the point, thinking that expropriation is wrong just because the wrong groups are in power, choosing the wrong causes for subsidy. This is where the horror stories are offered, and horrible they are: of subsidies to promote abortion, subsidies to photograph crucifixes in jars of urine, subsidies for all sorts of wickedness and blasphemy. But expropriation would be wrong even if each of its causes were good. Consider the following progression.

  1. On a dark street, a man draws a knife and demands my money for drugs.

  2. Instead of demanding my money for drugs, he demands it for the Church.

  3. Instead of being alone, he is with a bishop of the Church who acts as bagman.

  4. Instead of drawing a knife, he produces a policeman who says I must do as he says.

  5. Instead of meeting me on the street, he mails me his demand as an official agent of the government.

If the first is theft, it is difficult to see why the other four are not also theft. Expropriation is wrong not because its causes are wrong, but because it is a violation of the Eighth Commandment: Thou shalt not steal.

October 15, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Before Bush's grand theft of the American taxpayers, we had St. Ronnie to thank for the S&L crisis. Here are some facts on the infamous S&L scandal of the eighties which we are still paying for. •The Savings and Loan scandal is the largest theft in the history of the world. •Deregulation eased restrictions so much that S&L owners could lend themselves money. •The Garn Institute of Finance, named after Senator Jake Garn, co-authored the deregulation of the industry and received $2.2 million from industry executives. •Neil Bush, George Bush's son, never served time in jail for his part in running an S&L into the ground. •Represenative Fernard St. Germain, who was head of the House of Representatives banking, co-authored the deregulation and was voted out of office after other questionable dealings and was sent back to D.C. as an S&L lobbyist. •Charles Keating, when asked if massive lobbying efforts had influenced the government officials, he replies "I certainly hope so." •The rip-off began in 1980 when the government raised the federal insurance on S&L's from $40,000 to $100,000 even though the typical savings account was only around $6000. •Some of the seized assets were a buffalo sperm bank, a racehorse with syphilis, and a kitty litter mine. •James Fail invested $1000 of his own money to purchase 15 failing S&L's. The government reimbursed him $1.85 billion in federal subsidies. •It sometimes took over 7 years to close failing S&L's by the government. •When S&L owners who stole millions went to jail, their sentences were typically one-fifth that of the average bank robber. •The government bail out will cost the taxpayers around $1.4 trillion dollars when it is over. •If the White House had stepped in and bailed out the S&L's in 1986 instead of delaying until after the 1988 elections, the cost might have been only $20 billion. •With the money lost from the S&L scandals, the government could have provided prenatal care for every American child for the next 2,300 years. •With the money lost from the S&L scandals, the government could have purchased 5 million average homes.

October 15, 2013 at 8:51 a.m.
anniebelle said...

You know what's really sad about these reality deniers, they don't want to hear facts, don't want to know facts and certainly not accept them. I worked for one of the largest (maybe the largest) accounting firms in Tennessee for many, many years. Our clients included some of the wealthiest people this side of the Mississippi. I saw first hand how they diverted their "hard earned" (lol) money to their spoiled brat's trust funds, their offshore accounts and yes, paid less in taxes than you or I because they knew how and could afford to game the system. I was working there when we handled thousands of S&L cases. Each one of our accountants, 60+, were paid up to $500 an hour for their work. This fee was set by that oh-so-fiscally-conservative President Ronald Reagan, not our firm. That money was taken out of each and every peon's pocket as welfare for the wealthy.

October 15, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
jesse said...

Annie, I noticed on your bio that your a C.P.A., you wouldn't happen to also own a "buy here pay here" used car lot would ya??

October 15, 2013 at 9:48 a.m.
fairmon said...

anniebelle said...

Yes, if all our Social Security money was put in a mutual fund, we would have lost it all in the casino game played by wall street in 2008.

Not true anniebelle...But, don't allow employees and employers to put those funds in mutual funds. Would you agree to allowing me to buy U.S. treasuries that pay interest and compound the interest? This enables me to manage my own retirement planning without government interference and saves tax payers the money of administering social security. Treasuries pay interest and are backed by the full faith and credit of the U.S. government?

Do you know why many in government would object to such a plan? It is not because they are worried about me not doing well since they can write the regulations that specify the allowed investments and the criteria for making withdrawals. They could even require me to buy an annuity that paid me monthly which would be much more that social security pays. Can you help me understand those objecting?

October 15, 2013 at 9:54 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

jesse, 9:48, bwahahahahaha

October 15, 2013 at 10 a.m.
fairmon said...

anniebelle...would you agree with starting at the bottom rates increase all the rates with proportionally higher tax rates at the top to fund the government without always being in deficit and needing more debt? If we are going to live like we belong to a high dollar country club then operate like one...the dues are expenses divided by the number of members.

However, shut down all government welfare operations and allow a tax "reduction", not a deduction but a "reduction" for up to 25% of taxes due for contributions to approved charities.

October 15, 2013 at 10:04 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Joneses ses, "Just think if the government would have put all the money I paid in Social Security in a mutual fund I would be a millionaire now. "

I'm sure you have the disciple to invest 18-20% of your monthly income into the market, every month, year-in and year-out and if you do, more power to you, you can share your largesses with those who don't have your resolve, or are making the minimum wage of $7.25 ($15,080/yr if they can get a 40 hour job).

Try saving that kind of percentage when your rent is $600/mo ($7,200), food $400/m ($4,800), utilities $200/mo ($2,400) for a total keep-the-pump-primed expense of $14,800, leaving $23/mo for medical costs, transportation, clothing since there is nothing to buy a car or pay its insurance. If it is a family of 2 kids, and both parents work, do the math plus double or more the food costs.

It is not a pretty picture for a wealthy country where people complain about paying taxes to support programs to help such people. Maybe you should just keep paying Social Security and donate that 20% to an organization that is helping the disadvantaged - if i does not violate your religious principles.

The kind of thinking that you espouse works great for the fully employed and well to do who have excess income to save money, but it is still a jackboot on the neck of the disadvantaged.

October 15, 2013 at 10:24 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

By the way, Clay this one today ranks high, up there with the one with the guy holding the saber.

October 15, 2013 at 10:26 a.m.
soakya said...

social security, medicare, and the prescription drug plan is working so well we only owe $126 trillion in unfunded liabilities. over 1 million per taxpayer.

October 15, 2013 at 11:03 a.m.
whatsthefuss said...

It's always the hardest part. Admitting there is a problem. We as humans most often don't always tell the entire story because of the embarrassment it will cause so we try to speak in circles knowing the inevitable will occur, attempting to save face taking a polar opposite stance.

Clay I'm proud of you for taking the first step. Certainly it was a very difficult cartoon for you to draw writing the "R" word. The Fonz had the same trouble in saying the word "SORRY." Alcoholics are faced with the Harsh Reality of admitting the truth, perhaps homosexuals suffer trauma claiming their sexual preference to skeptical loved ones, coming out of the closet for the first time.

I understand you had to mask your true feelings knowing that Obamadontcare is doomed, by combining the words "REALITY", which you obviously have finally come to grips with, and "REPEAL", which you now know must happen. You have come a long way in a short period of time. Chin up ole' boy!

October 15, 2013 at 1:05 p.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Curiously those worried about the debt didn't make the same effort to stop/end the unfunded wars we've fought since 2002. Curiously I don't hear complaints about spending $700 billion for defense every year - more than the next 20 countries combined.

October 15, 2013 at 1:08 p.m.
anniebelle said...

For us out here in 'reality', some facts about our wonderful GOPer president, Ronnie Reagan. 'In 1982, Ronald Reagan dedicated the Space Shuttle Columbia to the resistance fighters [Taliban] in Afghanistan.'

The Taliban still have Reagan's Stingers --Estimate: Taliban have 50 Stingers 26 Sep 2001 One of the most dangerous weapons Western pilots could face in Afghanistan is an anti-aircraft missile provided by the United States during the Reagan presidency. Some 1,000 Stingers were supplied to the mujahideen (i.e. Taliban) from 1986 onwards after Ronald Reagan overcame CIA objections that they were too dangerous to be given to the rebels. MI6 used SAS troops to train the Afghans in the use of the missiles. It is not known how many Stingers were used in Afghanistan. Some of the 1,000 have turned up as far afield as Iran and Sri Lanka.

October 15, 2013 at 1:13 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

⬆ thanks alpy.

October 15, 2013 at 1:53 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Soakya said: social security, medicare, and the prescription drug plan is working so well we only owe $126 trillion in unfunded liabilities. over 1 million per taxpayer.

September 1st, 2012 3:50 am EST - By Dave Manuel

US Government Has Borrowed Trillions From Social Security Trust Fund

This is where the Bush/Cheney cabal stole trillions (and tried their damnedest to turn all Social Security Funds over to the banksters on WallStreet before the big crash of 2008), from the Social Security and Medicare funds to finance their tax-cuts for their rich supporters. And put their two unfunded and unholy wars on the credit card to be paid by the next administration. "Federal law requires that all excess funds be invested in interest-bearing securities backed by the full faith and credit of the United States." For Social Security, the OASI (Old-Age and Survivors Insurance) and Disability Insurance (DI) trust funds currently list trillions of dollars of assets. Here is the breakdown: End of 2011 Assets: OASI - $2.5241 trillion DI - $153.9 billion However, instead of cash, these two trust funds have IOUs from the US government. All of those assets are held in "special non-marketable securities of the US Government". So, the US government borrows from the OASI, DI and many others to finance its deficit spending. As a matter of fact, as of this second, the US government currently has "intragovernmental holdings" of $4.776 trillion. "Intragovernmental holdings" is money that the government owes to programs such as OASI, DI and many others. This is money that will have to be repaid down the line.

October 15, 2013 at 2:17 p.m.
anniebelle said...

oh and not to overlook Jesse's wonderful contributions -- did you're little pea brain come with that gem or did you're likewise brainless buddies at the golf course help you out? Hahahahaha.

October 15, 2013 at 2:28 p.m.
soakya said...

I get it you hate bush and everything is his fault, fine, its all his fault, how does that solve the 126 trillion in unfunded liabilities of s.s. medicare and the prescription drug plan and 17 trillion in current debt?

October 15, 2013 at 2:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

In reality, The Washington Post (hardly a liberal perspective, of course anything this side of Glen Beck is left wing according to the right wing)

This is not a Washington Post editorial which everyone knows is a left leaning rag. It is commentary from Ezra Klein who is definitely a Fleabagger.

says: "Imagine we hit the debt ceiling Feb. 15. The BPC's analysis suggests that federal spending over the next month will be about $450 billion. Federal revenues will be nearer to $277 billion. That means that the government will have to default on about 40 percent of its obligations.

Very odd numbers indeed. How do you explain the fact that the federal government spends an average of $316 billion a month but somehow we will spend $450 billion next month? Why the extra $133 billion? You're an accountant ... Right?

BTW ... I did notice from the BPC’s analysis that over the next month we will have about $450 billion of debt come due. Maybe that’s where he got the number. However we don’t pay that debt we just pay the debt service and roll it over. That’s how we got in this situation.

October 15, 2013 at 3:39 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

What frustrates me is that anyone without a brain would try to convince us that worked all our lives, 50 years for me and 55 for my husband, paid out of each and every paycheck into Social Security and Medicare, that somehow we're "blood-sucking socialists".

People that have paid into S.S. and Medicare definitely deserve a repayment with interest. However it is a fact that the average retiree is payed much more that their contribution including interest. It may not be “blood sucking socialism” however it is owned by the government and it is a ponzi scheme.

The difference will be made up by our children, grand children, etc., etc.

October 15, 2013 at 3:46 p.m.
soakya said...

and like all Ponzi schemes it will eventually collapse

October 15, 2013 at 3:55 p.m.
fairmon said...

anniebelle posted some article by some journalist trying to sell a printed publication..

That means that the government will have to default on about 40 percent of its obligations. This is BS. Obligations includes all furloughed nonessential government employees and other spending that would not be missed by most people. We will not default on the debt with servicing of the debt about at a cost of around 27 billion out of revenue of 240 billion.

Social security recipients average withdrawing around $200,000 more than they paid in. It is a Ponzi scheme and will require major adjustments as we move toward only three people working for each person getting benefits.

October 15, 2013 at 5:01 p.m.
fairmon said...

jesse said...

Annie, I noticed on your bio that your a C.P.A., you wouldn't happen to also own a "buy here pay here" used car lot would ya??

jesse, I had wondered about the same thing just from the post. You think anniebelle and alpro related some way?

October 15, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.
jesse said...

Well fairmon if she ain't they have arzholery in common!

October 15, 2013 at 5:08 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

I worked for one of the largest (maybe the largest) accounting firms in Tennessee for many, many years. Our clients included some of the wealthiest people this side of the Mississippi. I saw first hand how they diverted their "hard earned" (lol) money to their spoiled brat's trust funds, their offshore accounts and yes, paid less in taxes than you or I because they knew how and could afford to game the system.

Were you assisting them in violating the law or was it all legal? .... You were an accountant? ... Right?

I was working there when we handled thousands of S&L cases. Each one of our accountants, 60+, were paid up to $500 an hour for their work.

So you stayed and got your cut of the action ... didn’t you?

October 15, 2013 at 5:37 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

Yes, if all our Social Security money was put in a mutual fund, we would have lost it all in the casino game played by wall street in 2008. What could possibly go wrong with that scheme (scam).

I thought you Fleabaggers were bragging as how Obama had allowed the stock market to regain all of its losses even though people can’t seem to find a job. Its been fabulous for those on the “top rung of the ladder” ... hasn’t it?

Welfare (well fare-sic) is running out for those who desperately need help. Those who are not on the top rung of the ladder. I visit with them every single day and hear enough horror stories to keep me motivated to keep on helping those in need in spite of the overwhelmingHATE these teabillies have brought to this country.

Welfare comes from the general fund so it isn’t “running out” and this country has been, is now, and will always be generous to those that are in need. However we can’t continue to issue blank checks to be filled out with what anyone wishes.

October 15, 2013 at 5:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Hunter_Bluff said...

The government is you. You vote for these clowns. It's not them it's us. Crime in Tennessee isn't the sole fault of Memphis, it's an equal opportunity problem across the state.

You're right it’s not the sole fault of Memphis but it is almost entirely the fault of the 4 ea Urban areas of the state with Memphis and Nashville leading the parade.

The East TN crowd is holding their own with 100 of the 600 drug addicted births in Tennessee coming from just a 5 county area in East TN. According to US Census statistics Washington County/Johnson City, the most populous county of the 5 is 93.7% white.

Why the racial reference? ... Are you defensive?

October 15, 2013 at 5:43 p.m.
gypsylady said...

Hunter Bluff you are 100% spot on,IMO. The government is a reflection of what we've become. We don't hold ourselves to very high standards anymore.

I have a question. Am I the only one who is a little troubled by the fact that Cruz's wife works for Goldman Sachs? I can see a lot of trading opportunities here for an entity that knows what's coming down the pike.

October 15, 2013 at 6:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

September 1st, 2012 3:50 am EST - By Dave Manuel

US Government Has Borrowed Trillions From Social Security Trust Fund

This is where the Bush/Cheney cabal stole trillions (and tried their damnedest to turn all Social Security Funds over to the banksters on WallStreet before the big crash of 2008), from the Social Security and Medicare funds to finance their tax-cuts for their rich supporters. And put their two unfunded and unholy wars on the credit card to be paid by the next administration.

I checked out Dave’s article and I didn’t see where he wrote the above.

Federal law requires that all excess funds be invested in interest-bearing securities backed by the full faith and credit of the United States .... All of those assets are held in "special non-marketable securities of the US Government".

This is true but you provided no example or proof of a Bush/Cheney cabal stealing those funds.

So, the US government borrows from the OASI, DI and many others to finance its deficit spending.

It is not to finance deficit spending. The treasury is required to issue I.O.U.’s for any excess S.S. and etc. funds whether there is any deficit spending or not. At present those funds are paying out to recipients more than they are taking in so there is no excess for the treasury to borrow.

As a matter of fact, as of this second, the US government currently has "intragovernmental holdings" of $4.776 trillion. "Intragovernmental holdings" is money that the government owes to programs such as OASI, DI and many others. This is money that will have to be repaid down the line.

That is the short term petty cash amount instead of the long term obligations and you Fleabaggers want to add everybody onto these programs.

October 15, 2013 at 6:44 p.m.
tifosi said...

Interesting results from a survey. Which party will be smart enough to adjust for the future?

"Millennials are not idealists ...

Franklin pointed out that those between the ages of 18 and 29 are “portrayed as pie in the sky idealists,” but said they actually have a strong sense of reality. After all, for a majority of their politically-aware years, they have experienced the “promise of a president who it seemed could bring a real transformation stymied by a political system no one seems to be in control of or responsible for,” he said."

http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/15/20973490-not-that-liberal-5-surprising-facts-about-millennials-and-politics?lite

October 15, 2013 at 7:22 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

For us out here in 'reality', some facts about our wonderful GOPer president, Ronnie Reagan. 'In 1982, Ronald Reagan dedicated the Space Shuttle Columbia to the resistance fighters [Taliban] in Afghanistan.'

FDR shipped billions and billions of dollars worth of war supplies to Communist Russia. It’s fairly common and comes under the heading of “The enemy of my enemy is my friend” at least as long as you can exploit that friendship to your advantage.

The Taliban still have Reagan's Stingers --Estimate: Taliban have 50 Stingers 26 Sep 2001 (13 years ago)

Odd that I couldn’t find a confirmed kill of one of our aircraft by these missiles during the current conflict.

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel for your rants ... aren’t you?

Writings of CLG Founder/Chair and Chief Editorialist, and [Facist] Michael Rectenwald

Some more of his fine editorial points ... I’m sure you agree with them.

“After cooling the Republicans by arresting most of them and shutting their stupid mouths forever, start working on reversing Global Warming.”

“Remove all the “Justices” put in place by the Bush clan, including on the Supreme Court.

“Consider the possibility that the Republican ideology contravenes the Constitution because its policies and beliefs endanger the well-being of the people. Consider making the Republican Party illegal.

I can hear his and your goose stepping hobnail boots from here.

October 15, 2013 at 7:23 p.m.
tifosi said...

"But Blizzard said that Republicans might attract a wider range of young people in the future if the party seeks out more diverse candidates and demonstrates that it is inclusive."

Fat chance of that happening with the Ku Klux "Tea Party" Klan stirring up the pot.

October 15, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.
volsam said...

tifosi,interesting survey,I happen to have 2 sons in that demographic and both are hard working conservatives.My oldest son a small business owner and a tax payer attended the first TEA PARTY .So for you to call him a racist is troubling.All TEA PARTY people are not monsters and MOST are good people.Sure some on the fringe are kooks but to label all the same is disgusting.Some are veterans some are small business owners and some are just ordinary people concerned about the debt as I have for many years.It's almost got to the point that you seem a little RACISTS to African Americans like Tim Scott, Alan West and the other TEA PARTY blacks.I guess they are UNCLE TOM'S right?

October 15, 2013 at 8:15 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

volsam,

Please, ALL teapartiers by definition live on the extreme fringe, be they small(sic) business people, veterans, or "ordinary people." Convince me otherwise by listing all the teapartiers who have stood up and condemned the teapartiers who showed up at the Capitol waving confederate battle flags and calling for a revolution.

October 15, 2013 at 8:24 p.m.
tifosi said...
October 15, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
tifosi said...

Oh my... the ignorance is contagious at a Tea Party rally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVKNUK7hxuo

October 15, 2013 at 8:33 p.m.
tifosi said...

Good point inquiringmind. Tea Party supporters seem to look the other way when it comes to those that want to commit treason. We used to hang those that committed treason. Tea Partiers wish for the good ol' days don't they?

October 15, 2013 at 8:36 p.m.
volsam said...

inquiringmind, There was only one and he was at the kook fence where the FRINGE from both sides gather to display there puke.List me 1 TEA PARTY member who have broken the law at any rally's in any city at any time. I'm not a TEA PARTY member but I think you liberals are way to hard on them.Have ideology disagreements but the vile language some on this post is a little disturbing.By the way when I was in High School history class I was winning awards from the DAR for you guessed it AMERICAN HISTORY.Don't get me wrong slavery is and was the MOST DISGUSTING act in the history of our country.But the number of plantation owners in the south was small and I couldn't imagine any sane person losing their life in war for a very small percentage of the population.There were many factors involved in the civil war.I wasn't downplaying the slavery factor but it wasn't the only factor.

October 15, 2013 at 8:54 p.m.
volsam said...

tifosi,Even the kooks on both sides have the right to do what they do as long as they don't break any laws of infringe on anybody's rights.That's constitutional.

October 15, 2013 at 9:03 p.m.
Hunter_Bluff said...

Ronald Reagan: Took office January 1981. Total debt: $848 billion Left office January 1989. Total debt: $2,698 billion Percent change in total debt: +218%

George H.W. Bush: Took office January 1989. Total debt: $2,698 billion Left office 20 January 1993. Total debt: $4,188 billion Percent change in total debt: +55%

Bill Clinton: Took office 20 January 1993. Total debt: $4,188 billion Left office 20 January 2001. Total debt: $5,728 billion Percent change in total debt: +37%

George W. Bush: Took office 20 January 2001. Total debt: $5,728 billion Left office 20 January 2009. Total debt: $10,627 billion Percent change in total debt: +86%

Barack Obama: Took office 20 January 2009. Total debt: $10,627 billion Total debt (as of the end of today 10/15/13): $16,755 billion Percent change in total debt: +58% http://www.snopes.com/politics/politicians/nationaldebt.asp

October 15, 2013 at 9:04 p.m.
volsam said...

Good point hunter just remember Obama's dept is in 5 years and HM's was 4 years.

October 15, 2013 at 9:09 p.m.
tifosi said...

volsam said "There were many factors involved in the civil war. I wasn't downplaying the slavery factor but it wasn't the only factor."

It was the only factor listed in the back of the swearing of re-allegiance during the post war. Study your history again. It was THE FACTOR!!!.

October 15, 2013 at 9:09 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Volsam: Actually you shouldn't put me in the liberal camp. I'm just a realist trying to keep food on the table. My mother has two or so traces in the DAR back to the murky era of the revolutionary war, but so what. A good essay does not mean necessarily that you learned from the history you studied.

There is an old saying, and it is especially validated by history: Once you open a can of worms, it takes a much bigger can to put them all back. Some call it the law of unintended consequences.

Here are two lessons of history:

Lesson 1. Take a look at the decline and collapse of the British Pound as the world benchmark currency. Once fear and/or distrust begins, it never goes away from someone who likes counting their money.

modern consequence: China is now pushing to form a world-wide alternate to the dollar to dump the money they get from our purchases of their goods. It began with the last shut down, and although slow, it will probably succeed.

The tea party will be able to claim this ignoble accomplishment for our country, the demise of world leadership.

Lesson 2. Never underestimate what damage someone committed to self-destruction in a fight against the majority can do. What makes terrorists so dangerous is they do not fear the consequence of failing into the catastrophe they create if they think it moves the world towards their objective.

modern consequence: The teapartiers are 2013 versions of the 9/11 terrorists. They have no respect for the USA and its law, or of their own financial well being, and are willing to do anything to achieve their objective regardless of the damage done to the country.

The irony of history should not be lost on you that the terrorists, like the teapartiers cannot achieve their objective.

October 15, 2013 at 9:16 p.m.
volsam said...

tifosi,I said slavery was a factor,the resentment of the post war south was toward the carpetbaggers from the north who literally stole what was left after the war.It's true the white southerners took their revenge out on the freed slaves.Which spawned groups of hateful whites such as the KKK. That doesn't have anything to do with the mood of the country prewar.

October 15, 2013 at 9:22 p.m.
tifosi said...

The hell it didn't. It was all about slave-states and non-slave states. It was about the U.S. Constitution and walking the walk. Not just talking the talk.

October 15, 2013 at 9:28 p.m.
tifosi said...

Items 1 & 2 were all about the economics of cotton. Cotton in the South was king and they were exporting all around the world. The reason it was king was because of slavery. Free labor makes anything more profitable. It was about a state's right to own other human beings.

Items 3,4 & 5 speak for themselves.

http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/cause_civil_war.htm

The South cheated its way to prosperity. Lazy bastards didn't want to do the hard work. The North was certainly no angel, but they eventually could see right from wrong. FYI, East Tennessee was mostly Northern sympathizers. They made Northern ammunition in the backwoods of Tellico and made Northern uniforms in the top of the Old Mill in Pigeon Forge.

October 15, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
volsam said...

inquiringmind,Thanks for the insight.I to am just trying to get by,no silver spoon here.I think the majority of the American people are center or a little center right so I can't see the self destruction you speak of.What's wrong with not wanting to be a debtor nation.What's wrong with not wanting to saddle the next 3 or 4 generations with debt being piled up year after year.The TEA PARTY theme started out as a grass roots effort to end Government waste and abuse of our tax dollars through redistribution of wealth.I don't know what it is now?

October 15, 2013 at 9:39 p.m.
volsam said...

tifosi, Again the plantation owners were a very small minority and yes cotton was king.What you don't seem to understand is the slaves were low skilled labor competition to the low skilled workers in the south.they resented the owners and the slaves for taking there jobs.They didn't have a Harvard Law School in the south.A lot of poor people suffered because of slavery.It was a brutal time for a lot of people in that time of our history.

October 15, 2013 at 9:51 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

You got a reward for expertise in history??

October 16, 2013 at 12:38 a.m.
HawaiiSoul said...

LOL - Faux news repeals .... err - make that - repels - reality every minute of every day . . .

October 16, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
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