published Wednesday, October 16th, 2013

5-at-10: Peyton lovefest, college football primer and the Rock-n-Roll Hall of Fame

Gang, remember the Friday mailbag and fire away with your questions.

From the "Talks too much" studios, let's pay homage to those groups and performers who were recently nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. An especially big tip of the Kangol to LL Cool J.

Peyton lovefest

Sunday night Peyton Manning takes the NFL's best team to Indianapolis to face a Colts bunch that likely is the NFL's best young team.

There will be a slew of stories about Manning's record-setting career with the Colts, some of them you potentially haven't heard before. There will be a standing ovation or 12, and there will likely be some sort of Bob Costas social commentary that will make our heads hurt.

Heck, all we're missing is Verne Lundquist remembering the fond days at Tennessee when "Peyton Marshall used to look around the Tennessee offense and see Jerry Lewis and Peering Price." Good times.

That said, the emerging storyline that Manning told Colts owner Jim Irsay he'd be crazy not to draft Andrew Luck may be the best gift Manning has ever delivered to the franchise. This is not saying Luck will be better than Manning — although that's a worthy debate (see below) — but rather it gives the Colts the likely chance that they and the Packers are looking at 30-year runs of Hall of Fame quarterback play. Good stuff.

What did catch us a little off guard was John Fox saying Irsay's quote about Manning's tenure in Indy winning "only one" Super Bowl was a cheap shot. Hmmmmm. Maybe they will interrupt the Sunday night hug-a-thon long enough to play a game of tackle football.


Pure baseball

The baseball playoffs have been drama filled and textbook pitching duals. One run feels like five and every hit and base runner feels like a success.

It's how it should be — baseball played at the highest level and every pitch meaningful and every mistake magnified.

Still, in a season that has been blessed with a river of tremendous story lines, the powers that be in baseball have to be wondering, if a perfect game falls amid the forest of football and no one is watching, did it happen?

The drama that baseball has offered has not been for the "Chicks dig the long-ball crowd" — which apparently defines the vast majority of the viewing public. Here were the Nielsen ratings for the week of Oct. 7-13:

1) NFL Football: Washington vs. Dallas, NBC, 22.07 million.

2) "NCIS," CBS, 18.33 million.

3) "The Big Bang Theory," CBS, 17.64 million.

4) "The Walking Dead," AMC, 16.11 million.

5) "Sunday Night NFL Pre-Kick," NBC, 16.02 million.

6) "NCIS: Los Angeles," CBS, 14.84 million.

7) "The Voice" (Monday), NBC, 14.64 million.

8) "The OT," Fox, 14.11 million.

9) "Dancing With the Stars," ABC, 13 million.

10) "Football Night in America," NBC, 11.78 million.

11) "The Millers," CBS, 11.73 million.

12) "Person of Interest," CBS, 11.65 million.

13) NFL Football: N.Y. Jets vs. Atlanta, ESPN, 11.45 million.

14) "Blacklist," NBC, 11.18 million.

15) "Criminal Minds," CBS, 10.98 million.

16) American League Championship Series: Detroit vs. Boston, Game 2, Fox, 10.89 million.

17) "Modern Family," ABC, 10.64 million.

18) "60 Minutes," CBS, 10.62 million.

19) "Blue Bloods," CBS, 10.56 million.

20) "Castle," ABC, 10.51 million.

There were two prime time football games and two NFL studio shows that fared better than a remarkable Boston baseball game.


It also shows why the NFL is looking to add another Thursday night game. Prime time NFL football rules the dial, and the asking price for a major network to own a night through the fall season likely is a number that has at least two commas, and quite possibly three commas.


College football primer

If we take a quick peek around the college football landscape, things get really interesting starting Saturday.

Yes, we'll have our picks in Thursday's 5-at-10. We also may have a Les Miles tribute, because, dagnabbit, we like him.

That said, there are a couple of games that have major interest in our view.

Tennessee-South Carolina: The Vols are starving for success against a rank team, in fact the Vols last win over a top-25 foe was South Carolina, back when Lane Kiffin was beloved in Knox County. And, while we concur there were some positives in the Vols' second-hald rally against the injury-riddled Georgia Bulldogs, coming close and scaring South Carolina does not hold the same panache. One emotional close call against a top-10 foe can be viewed as steps in the right direction; a slew of close makes you good at horseshoes.

Auburn at Texas A&M: Heck, we're to the point that if Johnny Football was going through a 7-on-7 scrimmage, we'd watch. Dude is averaging 377 yards of total offense per game and accounted for 19 TDs (that's more yards per game than at least teams — including Tennessee — and as many TDs as Oklahoma has scored as a team all year), and that's with severely limited stats in his season-opener because of a two-quarter suspension so the NCAA can pretend it's doing something. War NCAA. The Auburn Tigers are 5-1, which is impressive considering they were 3-9 last year. It's also misleading since Auburn has not won a regular-season game outside the 334 area code since beating South Carolina on Oct. 1, 2011. (Don't get spoiled by the research, OK.)

FSU at Clemson: The winner steps into the BCS spotlight. The loser likely gets Louisville in the Orange Bowl. Nothing at stake, huh? And who in a million years would have believed two guys named Dabo and Jimbo would be the deciding factors in something this big that did not involved tractor pulls or "Sweet Home Alabama." Turn it up boys.

UTC at Elon: The Mocs also are playing elimination games. We forget which one of you cats said it this week, but the Mocs really are already playing in the postseason in a lot of ways. Lose to Elon, and the goals become dreams. Beat Elon and the goals are still within reach.

Florida at Missouri: Gary Pinkel can wrap up SEC coach of the year honors with a win here, and the Tigers would then grab firm control of the SEC East. Yep, that's something we all projected in August.

Bonus game: Syracuse at Georgia Tech: OK, the train wreck factor is huge for this one. And talk about being firmly between the rock and the hard future — if Tech continues this bumpy road, good guy Paul Johnson will likely pay the price. That said, where would you go with your next coaching hire and how long would the rebuilding process be for an offense that does not employee a quarterback who tosses the ball overhanded with any regularity.


This and that

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    Western Kentucky head coach Bobby Petrino watches from the sideline during an NCAA college game in Nashville against Kentucky in this Aug. 31, 2013, file photo.
    Photo by Associated Press /Chattanooga Times Free Press.

— Well, the shine on Bobby Petrino is kind of fading, no? And the timing of the Western Kentucky's turnover struggles that were magnified in an ugly 37-20 loss to Louisiana-Lafayette last night couldn't be worse for Petrino, considering the potential number of big-boy jobs that will be open this offseason. Hopefully we'll run the Rock Lobster photo here.

— For the first time that we can remember, we are more excited for the NBA season than we are for the college basketball season. LeBron James has that kind of must-watch vibe. That said, we meant what we said yesterday and we're excited to see what Will Wade and the Mocs will do. (And we know 9er is stoked about the Wildcats, who will be fun to watch.)

— Kansas super freshman Andrew Wiggins is a baller. Shot-caller. Twenty-inch blades on the Impala. Kid can play. He'll be in school one season and there are reports that Adidas is going to offer him a nine-figure endorsement deal. Here's saying those 8 a.m. classes come second semester may be optional for Mr. Wiggins.

— The owner of the Memphis Griz says he wants to play MJ one-on-one with $1 million going to charity. Great intentions, whipper snapper, but c'mon man. Yes, you are shooting a jumper in your Twitter photo, but even at 50, Jordan dominates.


Today's question

Feel free to chime in on any of the above.

If you need a football talking point, tell us why your team will succeed/fail this week.

Share who you think will be better over the long haul, Manning or Luck. And that's an interesting one right there.

If you need to branch from football, are all these pitching duals good baseball or American soccer?

If you still need more options, did you know there were several eye-popping names on the Rock-and-Roll Hall of Fame nomination list. First-time nominees are Nirvana, Linda Ronstadt, Peter Gabriel, Hall and Oates, YES, Link Wray, The Zombies and The Replacements (underrated sports movie, too). They were joined by repeat nominees KISS, LL Cool J, N.W.A, Cat Stevens, Deep Purple, The Meters, The Paul Butterfield Blues Band and Chic.

Two questions: Can you believe it's been almost 20 years since Kurt Cobain committed suicide? Second, if you could vote for three of the above, who you got.

Discuss. And remember the mailbag.

about Jay Greeson...

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MocTastic said...

JG, you do get to vote, and I am going to ask everybody to do me a favor, vote for YES in the Rock and Roll HOF poll:

October 16, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.
jomo11 said...

Being a long time Colts fan I know that Peyton doesnt start throwing interceptions until the playoffs start.

Not to rain on the parade, but I thought it was interesting hearing Vol fans saying that the football game at Bristol Speedway is a slam dunk for recruiting . . .Now tell me how many inner city kids ( most college athletes ) are big NASCAR fans ? . . .Im sure there are lots high school prospects that only know Bristol, CONNETCUT as home of ESPN . . . .Cant you just hear a top recruit from Atlanta inner city or Miami say " Ive always wanted to play a football game where Richard Petty raced" . . .

October 16, 2013 at 10:31 a.m.
MocTastic said...

Its a "one off" thing at Bristol isn't it? Don't see how that would effect my recruiting if I was a kid in high school. A kid that would plan his whole college life around playing one game in a race speedway is a kid direly in need of help.

October 16, 2013 at 10:47 a.m.
WilliamRscott said...

Give me Nirvana, YES + Deep Purple.

I will be at Bobby Dodd Saturday. For the mailbag: If the Jackets finish at 5-7, who would be a good fit at Tech? Spy - feel free to chime in before Friday.


October 16, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
JonathanMCook said...

I was in high school when Cobain shot himself. I never got the whole facination with him. He couldn't sing, he acted like he was strung out 24/7, yet somehow people in my generation considered him a "voice for their pain". Luckily those people have either grown-up some, gotten a life, or mooching off the system in a trailer park down by the river. Mean-spirited? Probably. Do I care? Not really.

Back to topic at hand: Elon is no Wofford or Georgia Southern. But could easily beat the Mocs if they start developing the "invincible" bug after beating Furman. I can guarantee Huesman is not going to allow that. A win will definately bring them one step closer to the playoffs. In fact, if the Mocs beats Elon, Citadel and apparently weak Appy State team, the final home game against Wofford should easily have the stew promoted out of it. Just an idea.

October 16, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
Stewwie said...

Only 13 more days until D-Rose and Co. take their talents to Miami to try to spoil the Heat's ring ceremony night. Can't wait.

I have not watched any baseball game this year live or on TV...can't remember the last time that was true. I haven't watched it on TV in years, but we usually end up making a visit to the Lookouts at least once. Always a good time at the ballpark no matter who is playing.

Looking forward to seeing the b-ball Mocs improve this year, but I think the hype on Will Wade is a bit overblown. Yes, he's a good hire and he's seemingly done everything top notch thus far. But he still hasn't coached his first game yet. And he's best known for a full court press that may or may not work at this level. The teams in our conference break the press very well. One other concern I have is his desire to jack 3s all game long. 10 for 30 is his goal. So there's a potential for lots of missed shots, turnovers, and fouls in a "Chaos" game. The Mocs fan base probably won't care if it means more Ws, but I personally wouldn't be a fan watching lots of 60-59 slopfests. Thoughts on that?

October 16, 2013 at 11:08 a.m.
MocTastic said...

Remember, 10 for 30 in three pont shots is the same as shooting 50% on two point shots. How so? You shoot 30 threes and hit 10, you have thirty points, you shoot 30 twos, you hit 50% and you have thirty points. Show me a team hitting 50% from the field today and I will buy you lunch. I don't think you will find low scoring games with this style of play, if you are old enough think back to Ron Shumate at UTC, full court pressing and run/gun offense. Those games were usually high scoring and fun to watch. Yes there will be more turnovers, but there will also be many more possessions, your goal is to come out on the positive side of that vs the other team. Look at the scoreboard, it has points on it, not turnovers. I shoot more, I score more, I win, even if I have more turnovers. CHAOS baby...dig it.

October 16, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
Todd962 said...

The Bristol spectacle is no different than thinking gray uniforms are going to have a lasting impact on a recruit, but the strange reality is that this sort of stuff does. You forget these kids are 18, likely have been shuffled through school their whole lives, and are often distracted by shiny things (Not always the sharpest lads). They are not going to care about listening to the history of NASCAR surrounding them, but they will care to listen to 160,000 people screaming their future school's name as well as half the country tuning in for strictly the spectacle factor. But even if they arent the type to be swayed by such things, they may look at the program and say "Hey, these guys are willing to try innovative ideas. What else are they going to have in store during my time there? Moon Bowl 2019, sponsored by Moon Pies? I have never been to the moon but I like Moon Pies, I am going to UT."

I had a thought the other day regarding what may have gone though the Broncos heads when they signed Manning and then probably again last year after the playoff loss. We all have heard his history with the winter condition struggles in the playoffs, but do you think they weighed the cost to benefit of building an indoor stadium in Denver's winter climate versus the benefit of him playing though the playoffs indoors? It would have to either be a high pitch a-frame or a steep cone shape. Would a few Super Bowl runs in the coming years be worth having to play in a place called "The Cone" for the next two decades?

October 16, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.
jgreeson said...

Is that Todd962's intro music?

Gang, great back and forth.

From the top, and once more with feeling:

MT — Sorry, our ballot will be NWA, LL Cool J and KISS. It be what it be.

And yes, 10-for-30 on 3s is 50 percent, and it's part of a fundamental philosophy in which we concur. Lay-ups or 3s should be the goal of every possession offensively, and taking away the two should be the goal of every defensive possession.

We'll wager that 90 percent of the time, the team that shoots the most 15-footers loses in today's college hoops.


Don't hold back. We concur though, and dude became a poet because of his exit as much he did for his existence.

Jomo —

Agree that a lot of kids may not give a rip about playing at a NASCAR track. What they do care about is a national stage and the circus that is the spotlight game.

If UT-Va Tech sell 150,000 tickets to that thing and college game day is there, and Butch enters in a legit NASCAR and the blimp is on hand and... the options are limitless.

It becomes the biggest deal around because of the rock-concert atmosphere. And if becomes the biggest game in the country that weekend, don't you think that appeals to prospects?

BiB —

You're in the mailbag. So are McPell, if you're reading. And you Stanley. Spots filling up gang, so get them in while you can.


Todd —

Interesting theory, but the name assuredly will be The Snow Cone.

October 16, 2013 at 11:59 a.m.
Stewwie said...


Good points, but at this level, more possessions means more shots which means more misses which means a sloppier game. And to be fair, wasn't Shulman criticized for not having a structured offense and letting his guys shoot too many 3s? And now Wade wants to shoot more. I'm not quite sure yet how this will somehow be better.


Where you been? Spot on about what the recruits are thinking these days.

October 16, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
MocTastic said...

JG, how are LL Cool J and NWA even considered to be rock music and eligible for the HOF? ....not forgetting they do this every year, putting non rock goups into the ROCK HOF. Bet they don't put the Beatles or Rolling Stones or Pink Floyd into the Rap HOF, if there was one. But you know why don't you? To sell tickets, its always about money!

October 16, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stewwie —

Not sure these Mocs will be better or not. Our excitement about the team is 100-percent about the renewed excitement within and surrounding the program.

Mocs games got to be akin to homework for the last 18 months, you know?

MT —

Completely fair point. And everything is about the money.

That said, of the names on the ballot, that's who we got. LL was cutting edge and all things considered NWA may have been the biggest collection of talent in a single group since the Beatles.

NWA was Ice Cube, Dre, MC Ren and Eazy E. Yes Yella was the Ringo of the group, but so what.

And considering what Dre was able to spin out of his time with N.W.A., you can make a hard argument that is was every bit as influential as the Beatles, too.

October 16, 2013 at 1:20 p.m.
WilliamRscott said...

Coach Wade's offense [+ program] will have discipline. Mr. Shulman's did not.


October 16, 2013 at 1:26 p.m.
Stewwie said...

[Not sure these Mocs will be better or not. Our excitement about the team is 100-percent about the renewed excitement within and surrounding the program.]

The excitement and renewed interest in the program is great. But I think a lot of folks are only excited about the buzzword that is "Chaos" and little attention has been given to the details of Wade's plan to try to make the Mocs better. Not unlike a lot of Americans buying into "Hope and Change" without finding out what exactly that meant. But to be fair to Wade, he's more competent for his job than Obama is for his.

[Mocs games got to be akin to homework for the last 18 months, you know?]

2 seasons ago was painful. But last year's team played harder and showed lots of promise. This year's team should be even better since the core of the team is back and is a year better. I don't see any reason why we shouldn't expect to challenge for the division title this season.

[Coach Wade's offense [+ program] will have discipline. Mr. Shulman's did not.]

Wade will run a tighter ship for sure, so maybe that will help.

October 16, 2013 at 1:56 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

BiB, a lot of calls for former Tech quarterback/tight end Ken Whisenhunt, the author of the greatest tie in Georgia football history (Tech 3, Notre Dame 3 on the day of run Lindsay run).

I'm just glad the Sox could beat out Modern Family (great show, though). But the most surprising thing on that top 20 list - beyond that many people tuning in to mediocre Washington at lackluster Dallas - is that The Walking Dead was fourth. Fourth! A cable show! It beat out Dancing With the Stars and almost beat Big Bang Theory.

RnR HoF class should be, in Spy's opinion ... Nirvana. Hands down. Once you understand Cobain's words, you get a sense of what a masterful writer he really was. The Replacements. Also known as the Redrunkments because of their often inebriated and helter skelter live shows. But a great, great band. May be tempted to crank up "Alex Chilton" in the office later on. Oh, gotta go with KISS. Nobody marketed themselves better. And Gene Simmons has actually done a lot for other bands. He's the one who got a record label to listen to a four-man group out of Pasadena, something called Van Halen or somethingorother.

October 16, 2013 at 1:57 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

5, I watched a few minutes of the La-La vs. Petrinos replay last night before finally falling asleep. Nice play call on fourth and goal at the 1-inch line up 10-0 there, Bobby. Way to watch it get run back for a 100-yard pick 6.

And last night's attendance for the Sun Belt matchup on Tuesday night? 16,359.

October 16, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. I hate the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. If I wanted to know what bands Jann Wenner likes, I would subscribe to Rolling Stone magazine. The last time I bought a copy of that magazine Vince Dooley was still the head coach at Georgia. To answer the question posed and to avoid a prolonged diatribe, if I could vote for three of the bands listed...Deep Purple is in. If you are a fan of rock music, even if you don't listen to Purple, you listen to acts that were deeply influenced by them. I was a teenager in the seventies and never got into KISS, but I acknowledge that they should be in. Nirvana and that whole Seattle scene gave popular music a much needed kick in the ass in the early nineties. That's good enough for me, put 'em in.

Stevie Ray Vaughn was not on the list above, but he is a first ballot guy in any legitimate R&R HOF. I don't think Cheap Trick has ever even made the ballot and that is ridiculous. Were it not for continued public scorn and ridicule calling out the HOF, the band Rush never would have been accepted. I'm starting to ramble, so I'll call it a wrap on the HOF.

On the subject of music, I have seen that there is an on-going dispute between the Pride of the Southland Band at UTK and the athletic department. I have also noticed that the Redcoat Band at UGA is serving in a somewhat diminished role at Sanford Stadium compared to years past. There is more canned music being piped in. If that is where music in college football stadiums is heading, can we get some kind of moratorium on the songs "Enter Sandman", "Crazy Train", and "We Will Rock You"? With so many songs to choose from, it always gets back to one of those three when a guy in the PA booth is spinning tracks. A little originality never killed anybody.

Continuing down the path of music in football stadiums...Saturday night a friend of mine in Athens showed me a photo of James Brown standing on the sidelines at Sanford Stadium back in 1976. James was wearing a denim jumpsuit, huge belt buckle, black platform shoes, and a big ol' cowboy hat. If you want to be a star you not only need to display the willingness to wear such a get-up out in public, but James was wearing it with confidence and there was no doubt in his mind that he was the coolest mother-trucker in the building that day.

October 16, 2013 at 3:42 p.m.
BIspy4 said...

Grateful, SRV is a no doubter Hall of Famer. The first time I heard "Couldn't Stand the Weather" I thought, who is this guy and where did he come from? And he played most, if not all, of the lead guitar tracks on David Bowie's "Let's Dance" album.

October 16, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.
jgreeson said...

Stewwie —

Well-reasoned points, and you're right two years ago was brutal. And as scrappy as last year's team was, everyone knew it was walking the Green Mile.

Spy —

Was in the Grant for that 3-3 tie. First college football game we can remember attending. Good times.

GD —

Golf clap, sir. Well-played indeed.

And James Brown was the baddest man in a lot of places for a large part of the 1970s. Get up-a.

October 16, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
GratefulDawg said...


As much magic as Stevie Ray worked with his Stratocaster, when he played that 12-string acoustic of his it was mind blowing. Just in case you've never seen any of that footage, I strongly suggest that you check it out. Watching one of the true masters at work is always something to behold.


When the Godfather was in get up-a mode, it was important to remember that papa don't take no mess.

October 16, 2013 at 5:05 p.m.
BIspy4 said...


Along with a lot of Haggard, a lot of Mr. Johnny Cash and a lot of Outkast on my iPod is a heapin' helpin' of the Hardest Working Man in Show Business.

October 16, 2013 at 9:52 p.m.
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