published Sunday, October 20th, 2013

Bennett Archive

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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inquiringmind said...

Clay certainly captured the essence of the vitrol voiced by the vocal minority of the tea partiers who wax loudly on this site, and in the House of Representatives.

October 20, 2013 at 6:22 a.m.
anniebelle said...

ah yes, there will be howling today on this site. I don't get it, even their benefactors, the Koch Brothers, threw the Tea Party under the bus and they're getting a lot of money out of this deal. These people that spout their ignorance on here everyday probably live paycheck to paycheck and one catestrophic illness and they're doomed.

October 20, 2013 at 6:27 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

anniebelle, even the least of the least deserve our compassion, as great a challenging human task as that may be. As you see, many of them are compulsively forced to do it. We can offer to lift the milestones from their necks, but only they may choose to accept the help, or remain gnashing their teeth in darkness.

October 20, 2013 at 6:32 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Thank you inquiring mind. I don't for the life of me understand how people in this country, with so much, can be so selfish and full of hate.

October 20, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

anniebells says "These people that spout their ignorance on here everyday probably live paycheck to paycheck and one catestrophic illness and they're doomed." That Belle; still silly, I see. Most of the hate I see on here is spouted by you southpaws. BTW, belle, I'm guessing many of the "paycheck to paycheck" people on here could buy you with their cookie jar money

October 20, 2013 at 8:02 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

PT says, "I'm guessing many of the "paycheck to paycheck" people on here could buy you with their cookie jar money"

You just don't get the point, do you brother? The truth will make you free.

October 20, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
hotdiggity said...

Bubble bubble, toil and trouble. The Cons are such a endless fountain of amusement. Such petulant little critters with all their histronics.

October 20, 2013 at 8:15 a.m.
rick1 said...

anniebelle posted: "I don't for the life of me understand how people in this country, with so much, can be so selfish and full of hate."

Of course when liberals make vile comments towards a six year old that is not being hateful.

http://patriotupdate.com/2012/08/left-spews-hateful-comments-at-6-year-old-conservative/

October 20, 2013 at 8:15 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Guess not, Inquiring. Please explain it to me.

October 20, 2013 at 8:57 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Diggity: What histronics(sic)?

October 20, 2013 at 9 a.m.
caddy said...

Seems someone thinks the other side is getting in the way of "progress". Where are the old liberal war haters, the old liberal's and their distrust of government ? Clay's a big enough fool to actually think one party line is enough. Progress ! Just look at the jobs, the economy, the fact that people can now marry objects, animals, themselves. Yep, Conservatives are just getting in the way of Progress ...

October 20, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Caddy: Anything goes, eh lefties?

October 20, 2013 at 9:14 a.m.
jesse said...

Annie thinks teabaggers need to be HUNG but givum a hug and kiss before ya drop the trap door!!

October 20, 2013 at 10:03 a.m.
moon4kat said...

I just wish we had a responsible Republican party that was not controlled by mean-spirited, hate-mongering liars. There are real issues to debate and discuss so that we as a nation can reach a reasonable consensus on governing ourselves . . . for all of us, together. Tea bag tantrums, hostile divisiveness, and hostage-taking are not healthy for us or the future of our nation. We need reasonable political discourse. However, the know-nothing teabaggers throw so many distortions, half-truths, and out-right lies into the mix that we all get side-tracked into petty skirmishes just trying to get the facts straight. Everyone (including the media) should ignore the poison-spiked tea and focus on the verifiably factual.

October 20, 2013 at 10:09 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

moonkat: You inadvertently swerved into the truth. But you need to swap tea party with the left. Divisiveness, distortions, half-truths, lies, pretty well sum up the left. And its ally, the press. You're a pretty good name caller yourself, Moon.

October 20, 2013 at 10:30 a.m.

What a dumb cartoon. An absolute turd. We have a dictatorial president who behaves as if our representative form of government is nothing more than a bother, or an interruption to the massive vacay he's in the midst of/his stay in the White House.

Obama is still stamping his big feet when he doesn't get his way. The media and you liberals still, even at this point, believe any opposition to Obama is racist. You're pathetic. Those in the Tea Party have every right to be alarmed by the Obama presidency. To call Tea Party members, or anyone else, racist, or prejudice, because of their concern for the way Obama and the left have elevated illegal aliens to an almost equal status as citizens, is insane.

Allowing illegal aliens to use the mall in Washington to demonstrate during the shutdown, while using force to keep veterans from viewing their memorials is typical Obama. He's constantly giving America the finger and you stupid liberals think it's not directed at you as well. Naive.

Obama is the extremist.

October 20, 2013 at 10:42 a.m.
PlainTruth said...
October 20, 2013 at 10:43 a.m.

I read that column, PT. She's correct on that one.

I think he's lazy, selfish, a narcissist, spoiled, and entitled. He thinks he's better than everyone else, that's obvious. He's just a lucky, manipulative punk. If my assessment of him is too harsh for you lefties, tough cookies. Facts and history tell me that's who he is. His race to do with criticism of him, he's just anti-American. He oozes it.

October 20, 2013 at 10:55 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

zablee...a spoiled, lucky cat that has gamed the system his entire life with Other Peoples Money.

October 20, 2013 at 11 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

We all know the real truth. It's just that nobody will speak it. It's okay for the liberals to spew what amounts to racist and dehumanizing propaganda against the TEA (Taxed Enough Already) Party because they are white people who work for a living.

We all know that white people who work for a living are selfish and evil. The thing is, they are not stopping anybody else from being selfish and working for a living either.

There was a time when white people prevented other people from getting an education and making a living. That's not true anymore. Isn't it time to use the "opportunity" part of "equal opportunity?"

October 20, 2013 at 11:16 a.m.

PT and P.dog, exactly.

This country is in a sad state, it truly is. The trouble is only beginning. Young folks, just out of school, who are in debt for going to school are in for a rude awakening. Why should they stay in this mess, where illegal aliens are rewarded and the federal government used the irs as a weapon to intruded in our health issues. I can see many young folks moving to other countries.

October 20, 2013 at 11:23 a.m.

At this point to still believe the Obama is not just mailing it in at best, and that he's nothing more than a tool to grow the government, then you're plain stupid, or a liar. He's a fraud, and he's anti-American. That's plenty of reason to not "like" him.

October 20, 2013 at 11:29 a.m.
fairmon said...

moon4kat said...

Everyone (including the media) should ignore the poison-spiked tea and focus on the verifiably factual.

Are you sure, are you ready for that? Do you have undeniable truth examples? Will the truth set us free from dominance, dependence, and control by those that don't know or care about us?

The cup is labeled incorrectly, it should read ignorance enhancer which affects a wide range of people.

October 20, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
rick1 said...

prairie_dog posted "There was a time when white people prevented other people from getting an education and making a living. That's not true anymore. Isn't it time to use the "opportunity" part of "equal opportunity?"

Don't you find it funny in a sad way that it is the so called all caring liberal who is against school vouchers for public school students,but send their own kids to a private school.

The liberals call the Tea Party hostage takers and terrorists when all they are for is small government, less taxes and more individual freedom. The liberals are threaten that they will lose control of all the people they have on the government plantation if the Tea Party is successful.

October 20, 2013 at 11:39 a.m.
rick1 said...

Before ObamaCare there were people who could not afford health insurance.

After ObamaCare there are people who still can not afford health insurance, and now the IRS is fining them for being unable to afford it.

Of course there are a lot of us who have been saying from the beginning that ObamaCare was not about providing affordable healthcare to everyone as this has been proven to be a lie. It is about the government having total control of your life.

October 20, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
fairmon said...

anniebelle said yesterday....

You're right the churches and the self-proclaimed do-gooders do a much better job. They think the only meals these poor people deserve is on Thanksgiving Day and Christmas Day, and run around patting themselves on the back for their 'good deed'. Surprise, surprise, the poor eat (or at least try to) everyday just like the rest of.

didn't mention churches. In most cases I agree they are tax evading cathedral building hypocrites. I am suggesting operations like the local Community Kitchen, meals on wheels, Saint Jude's hospital for children (Danny Thomas founder), The salvation army and many other non-profits Where at least 80% is utilized for the targeted and charitable purpose. Let the governments define the criteria to be a qualifying charity then allow the tax "reduction" of up to 25% of taxes due and abolish all federal agencies delivering welfare.

The fact is the government manages nothing well or efficiently. Their response is always spend more, add more inefficient people, write more regulations or complicate those in place. No employer is good enough at hiring to have an attrition rate as low as the government which means there is little to no accountability and correct measuring of productivity.

Do you agree with furloughed employees being paid full salary and benefits retroactively and made whole although no work was done?

October 20, 2013 at 11:57 a.m.
prairie_dog said...

Poor people don't "deserve" a meal any day. Being alive doesn't entitle you to "deserve" anything.

I've been in a situation where, because of the illegal actions of other people, I had no income. I lost a spouse, a business and a home. What was my reaction to all this?

I moved a long way away to take another job. I worked hard and paid my debts and recovered from the setback. I didn't get married or have kids or live on welfare while this was going on, and I paid for my own health care coverage. It's called "being responsible."

Almost anybody can do it. Are the rest of us supposed to be obligated to support everyone else just because it's not easy to take care of yourself?

The people in the middle are not being kept down by those who are more wealthy. They're being kept down by the poor people who don't contribute, and create a drag on everyone else. People with more money already have everything they need. The people who are climbing up are the market that creates jobs for everyone.

When the only money a family gets comes from government handouts, how are they supposed to spend the money that creates jobs? They can't. That's why we're all stuck in a zero-growth economy.

October 20, 2013 at 12:36 p.m.

My gosh people, wake up! How much intrusion in your lives can you put up with? This is nuts, Obama and his lefty pricks pass a law, then Obama decides what portions of the law should go forth , or be held back on, he exempts supporters and certain other groups, and congress and other government folks are under their own "special" plans, while the we peons will all be pushed into it. He lies, you won't get to keep what you have. The whole thing is madness, and it's very much about control. Why not make it for everyone, period..no exception at all? My gosh BO is nothing but a cheap dictator.

October 20, 2013 at 12:37 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Jim Jones-like Left just doesn't get it.

October 20, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.
jesse said...

Rerun toon and rerun comments!!Same ole garbage that don't mean nothin!!

Buncha retards that get on here and think there opinions gonna change the world!!(W/about 3 exceptions a buncha numbnuts!)

October 20, 2013 at 1:12 p.m.
hambone said...

The recipe for the TEA is more prejudice, hate and paranoia. The rest is just seasoning.

I heard Ted Cruz just this morning touting his website for teabaggers to vote to repeal Obamacare. Says he has over 2 million votes. That's a big number until you compare it to the total number of those that voted for president in 2012.

Only 1 1/2% of those that voted in 2012. Not exactly a overwhelming mandate HUH!

October 20, 2013 at 1:18 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Most of the hate I see on here is spouted by you southpaws."

Then you Sir, are blind as a bat.

"BTW, belle, I'm guessing many of the "paycheck to paycheck" people on here could buy you with their cookie jar money"

It must be a foreign concept to you, to imagine that anyone with a bank account could dare understand which political party is constantly fighting for them and which one is working constantly against the little man, women, and children.

October 20, 2013 at 1:30 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al yesterday you posted "I do have one bone to pick with the HHS. A great deal of time and effort was given to the issue of illegal immigrants not being eligible for ObamaCare policies."

Do you believe illegals should be eligible or should not be eligible for ObamaCare?

October 20, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
alprova said...

I find it completely laughable to think that some of the worst Obama bashers on this board, do so knowing that their sustenance comes straight from the Government of the United States.

Even worse, is the knowledge that many top Republicans, if given half a chance, would work to limit that sustenance that everyone works for in their twilight years.

I happen to know no less than a dozen people on a very intimate basis who have the same problem. They worship the Republicans despite everything they would do to them if they were to attain enough power to do so.

Republicans are very vocal in their endeavors to gut Medicare as it is today. They would love nothing more than to cut the amount of Social Security that people are receiving today, and cut it out completely for those who are only a decade away from reaching that milestone themselves.

Who are the worst Republicans, and the most intrinsic in their ignorance?

Teabillies.

Many of the original founders of the Tea Party have meandered away from the movement, because it has been hijacked by the likes of Ted Cruz, who has made it clear that he would risk the stabilization of the entire nation, in order to attain power.

I am no longer concerned that the Tea Party is a viable threat to this nation. They have become nothing more than a sideshow attraction, and are entertainment to most people.

I hope that the worst among them keep up their antics, for they will be responsible for an unusual outcome to the mid-term elections next year for sure.

As for the groupies in here who defend them constantly, fire away, for you only embarrass yourselves when you do it.

October 20, 2013 at 2 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, you also posted yesterday "I tried to sign up the other night, and I received the expected result for my attempt, which was that I personally was not eligible for an ObamaCare policy."

"I received a message that I was only eligible for Medicare and possibly Medicaid, and my information would be transmitted to those agencies."

Al, what happened to you getting insurance with your pre existing condition? If I remember correctly that is what you were so excited about that ObamaCare would allow you to purchase health insurance with your pre existing condition.

So you are going onto either Medicaid or Medicare and that is where you would go even without ObamaCare correct?

October 20, 2013 at 2 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kind of nasty today, huh Alpo?

October 20, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo, you southpaws talk about the Tea Partiers more than the Tea Partiers. Odd, being they're such a small fringe. BTW, Alpo, neither Cruz nor anyone else threatened the stability of this nation. You need to get that thru your little shiny pate. Just another talking point to subscribe to.

October 20, 2013 at 2:14 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Do you believe illegals should be eligible or should not be eligible for ObamaCare?"

As our system of health care is being adjusted as a result of ObamaCare, I see no viable reason to exclude them from it.

Why?

Because everyone pays something under it. No one will be receiving totally free health care under ObamaCare.

Currently, people, no matter their status in life, are allowed to enter a hospital and receive treatment without payment of one cent.

Today, taxpayers are made to pay for at least a portion of the health care of the indigent, the illegals, and those who just don't want to cough up something when receiving medical care, whether we want to or not.

Think about something for just a minute.

ObamaCare will force everyone to pay something...yes something...for their health care expenses. No one will skate away free from paying nothing.

And despite all those against the idea, the IRS will see to that very well.

If illegal immigrants want to pony up the dough for a policy, by all means allow them to do so. They will make the system all the more stronger by allowing them to do so.

I do wonder why that issue was changed, however, as it appears to have been, if what I saw was correct and not just another glitch.

October 20, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
joneses said...

alpos said

"Republicans are very vocal in their endeavors to gut Medicare as it is today."

If alpos had half a brain he would know o'bastard cut medicare by the tune of 800 billion dollars. That is what these piece of sh!t liberals do. They do something that hurts America and then blame it on the Republicans. Just wait and you will see them start blaming the failure of obamacare on the Republicans knowing not one Republican voted for or supported obamacare. The sad part about it is the liberal fools will believe these lies.

Go ahead alpos. Entertain us by defending your lies.

The facts about obama cutting Medicare and Medicaid.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/nakedpolitics/2012/08/obamas-700-billion-medicare-cut-problem.htm

More obama medicare cuts proposed in 2013.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/us/politics/obamas-budget-cuts-focus-on-medicare-medicaid-and-military.html?_r=0

October 20, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, illegals will not be purchasing health insurance. If you do not purchase health insurance the IRS can only garnish your tax return. Illegals who are committing a crime by being here illegally will receive their pay in cash and there will be no record of them working and they will continue to go the ER for medical care and will continue to be a drain on our system.

October 20, 2013 at 2:33 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo thinks illegals should have healthcare cause it feels right.

October 20, 2013 at 2:43 p.m.
joneses said...

One does not have to look far to see that democrats/liberals are actually the ones full of hate.

They hate, America, low taxes, Republicans, people with opposing views, oil, oil companies, natural gas, nuclear energy, The Tea party, corporations, wall street(unless Wall Street gives them money), Condoleeza Rice (this makes them racist and is actually part of their war on women), Sarah Palin (more of their war on women), Michelle Bachman (more of their war on women), Herman Cain (more racism) Walter Williams(more racism), Kevin West(more racism), black Republicans(more racism), George Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, Sean Hannity, The U.S. Constitution, guns(unless criminals own them), private schools, The Military, the Koch Brothers(but give notable wealthy democrats a pass), Fox News, individual success, freedom, small government, responsible government, balanced budget, individualism, Christians, Jews, Blacks, Hispanics(George Zimmerman), This is only some of what they hate. They hide their hate for blacks by using them to pursue their liberal agenda that they are superior to blacks by claiming they know what is best for black America.

Read their post and you will notice the liberals never say what they support as it is always what they are against and they never will tell you what their Messiah, obama, wants to fundamentally change America to.

October 20, 2013 at 2:49 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, what happened to you getting insurance with your pre existing condition? If I remember correctly that is what you were so excited about that ObamaCare would allow you to purchase health insurance with your pre existing condition."

That policy was cancelled this past July and I am being forced onto Medicare.

"So you are going onto either Medicaid or Medicare and that is where you would go even without ObamaCare correct?"

I do not expect to qualify for Georgia's Medicaid program. I currently earn to much.

Medicare is my destiny due to the medical conditions I suffer from, which allow a person to pass "go" and proceed directly to Medicare because even though a pre-existing condition, ObamaCare deflects those with my maladies to Medicare without question.

I tried to sign up, just to see if I had any alternatives, but apparently I don't.

October 20, 2013 at 2:59 p.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Kind of nasty today, huh Alpo?"

Do you ever look at what you post?

You can't help but be nasty to others.

October 20, 2013 at 3:01 p.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "If alpos had half a brain he would know o'bastard cut medicare by the tune of 800 billion dollars."

A reduction in spending is not a cut, unless a Democrat does it. I remember the same crappy and baseless arguments when Republicans proposed spending reductions during the GWB years.

October 20, 2013 at 3:05 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al, since you have made your identity know to everyone I thought I would ask you about your stance on illegals.

I find it interesting that you do not have a problem with illegal’s purchasing health insurance considering the feelings you have expressed in the past about illegals. In a letter you claimed you wrote to The U.S. Congress and Senate titled ‘Truckers Being Forced Out of Business” in regards to specific concerns in regard to the NAFTA proposal of opening the borders.

In this letter you wrote “We are concerned about the potential increase in illegal drug trafficking, illegal immigrant smuggling, as well as the substantial risks for our roads to become a venue of entry for those with the intent of harming Americans through acts of terrorism.”

Are you no longer concerned with the issued you stated above with illegal’s in regards to drug trafficking, illegal immigrant smuggling, and acts of terrorism?

In recent posts you have made in regards to illegal’s you have defended illegal’s for being in this country and would have attacked anyone who would have made the comments you made above. But I guess when illegals directly impact the bottom line of your business it was okay for you to take a stance against them as you did in 2007.

Now that you no longer own a trucking company and own a Buy Here Pay Here Car Lot and you believe illegal’s purchasing health insurance will help ObamaCare you are now be supportive of illegal’s.

It appears there is a lot of hypocrisy on your part when it comes to illegal’s.

The United States Citizen Protection Petition to US Congress and Senate was created by Members of the Trucker's Report Forums and written by Anthony Provancher (alprova@comcast.net)

http://truckerabuse.blogspot.com/2007_05_01_archive.html?m=1

October 20, 2013 at 3:13 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Al, illegals will not be purchasing health insurance. If you do not purchase health insurance the IRS can only garnish your tax return."

I'm pleased to see some truth finally coming to light. How many times have right-wingers made the claim that the IRS was going to have control over one's health care?

"Illegals who are committing a crime by being here illegally will receive their pay in cash and there will be no record of them working and they will continue to go the ER for medical care and will continue to be a drain on our system."

The one facet of ObamaCare that I have not seen addressed is the issue of who will be paying for the losses when someone who is not insured does seek medical care.

Perhaps those costs will be paid from the fines received, but I have seen nothing concrete that addresses the issue of who pays for the deadbeats.

October 20, 2013 at 3:13 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Yes the Tea Party is the problem and not the political ideology (Unprincipled Statism) that is displayed below. People that do not respect the democratic process, will not tolerate dissent to their political or cultural ideals, that wants to use the power of the state to punish or eliminate any that oppose them. The Fleabagger party really feels that it is their natural birthright to rule and they are accustomed to the Republican party curling up in a fetal position in fear of being demonized by their betters in the MSM. The Tea Party drives them bat sh!t crazy in they won’t play the part that been assigned to them by the Fleabaggers. That a group that is so beneath them has handed them so many political defeats and successfully blocked their birthright in recent years.

From Moveon.com:

Arrest and Try House GOP Leadership for Sedition

PETITION STATEMENT

I call on the Justice Department of the United States of America to arrest Republican Majority Leader Eric Cantor, Speaker of the House John Boehner, and other decision-making House Republican leaders for the crime of seditious conspiracy against the United States of America.

Petition Background

The House GOP leadership's use of the Hastert Rule and H. Res 368 to shut down the government and threaten the U.S. economy with default is an attempt to extort the United States government into altering or abolishing the Affordable Care Act, and thus, is self-evidently a seditious conspiracy. Arrest the perpetrators in Congress immediately and bring them to justice.

October 20, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.
joneses said...

alpos,

And a tax cut is not spending like the dummycrats claim. You have lied again. But then what would I expect from a used car dealer.

October 20, 2013 at 3:19 p.m.
joneses said...

this is the list of the most dishonest occupations in America. Hooray for alpos! His occupation is the 3rd most dishonest occupation in America!

  1. All Members of Congress

  2. Lobbyists

  3. Car Salespeople

  4. Telemarketers

  5. Advertising Practitioners

  6. Stockbrokers

  7. Business Executives

  8. Labor Union Leaders

  9. Lawyers

  10. Real Estate Agents

October 20, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
degage said...

AL, Did you get your disability? guess you did or you wouldn't be getting Medicare. Are you covered yet? Why did the health care drop you?

October 20, 2013 at 3:29 p.m.
alprova said...

rick 1 wrote: "I find it interesting that you do not have a problem with illegal’s purchasing health insurance considering the feelings you have expressed in the past about illegals."

Really?

"In a letter you claimed you wrote to The U.S. Congress and Senate titled ‘Truckers Being Forced Out of Business” in regards to specific concerns in regard to the NAFTA proposal of opening the borders."

Permit me to be very clear.

My objection to portions of NAFTA in 2007 has nothing to do with my empathy for illegal immigrants. There are two very distinct and separate issues at play.

"In this letter you wrote “We are concerned about the potential increase in illegal drug trafficking, illegal immigrant smuggling, as well as the substantial risks for our roads to become a venue of entry for those with the intent of harming Americans through acts of terrorism.”.."

I wrote every word in that letter, but I did not agree with every word written in that document. You see, many people had a hand in the creation of that letter. I merely put it together and submitted it.

"Are you no longer concerned with the issued you stated above with illegal’s in regards to drug trafficking, illegal immigrant smuggling, and acts of terrorism?"

Drug trafficking, illegal immigrant smuggling? Of course.

Terrorism? Looking at it six years down the road? No.

"In recent posts you have made in regards to illegal’s you have defended illegal’s for being in this country and would have attacked anyone who would have made the comments you made above."

Sir, that letter had very little to do with illegal immigration. The issue being addressed was the creation of a favorable environment, via provisions buried in NAFTA, which allowed Mexican Trucking companies to have expanded access to this nation's roads.

"But I guess when illegals directly impact the bottom line of your business it was okay for you to take a stance against them as you did in 2007."

As I stated, not everything written in that letter was of direct concern to myself. I was the mouthpiece, so to speak, for a number of people who had concerns that were related in that letter.

"Now that you no longer own a trucking company and own a Buy Here Pay Here Car Lot and you believe illegal’s purchasing health insurance will help ObamaCare you are now be supportive of illegal’s."

Sir, I have always had empathy for illegal immigrants who risk their very lives to come here to better the lives for themselves and their families.

You can dig into my online past and you will never find me expressing outrage over the issue of illegal immigration.

"It appears there is a lot of hypocrisy on your part when it comes to illegal’s."

No Sir. Understand that before the year 2004, I was as much a Republican as anyone on this board. I have changed many of my views over the years, but I have always had immense empathy for illegal immigrants.

October 20, 2013 at 3:49 p.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "And a tax cut is not spending like the dummycrats claim."

Huh?

What Democrat has ever stated that a tax cut "not spending?"

You're woefully ignorant of the infamous $716 billion (now $800 billion) in Medicare "cuts" that Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan harped about, even though Paul Ryan included the same "cuts" in his big budget proposal.

There's a very good reason why the Medicare "cuts" died as a Republican attack on Obamacare. It's because those reductions in spending haven't destroyed Medicare, or harmed anyone enrolled in Medicare, or even hurt Medicare Advantage, the federally subsidized private insurance plans that was directly affected by the spending reductions.

Four years later, and with the ACA starting up, it appears that worries about the future of Medicare Advantage have not come to fruition. MA is more popular than ever. Between 2010 and 2013, enrollment in the program increased 30%.

According to Tricia Neuman, a senior vice president at the Kaiser Family Foundation who has published studies regarding Medicare Advantage, "Enrollment continues to climb. Some of the forecasts have predicted that plans would pull out and people would drop out. So far it hasn’t happened."

Medicare open enrollment began on October the 15th, and the approximately 14 million seniors who choose Medicare Advantage will find options that are, in many cases, better and only marginally more expensive than in the past.

According to the HHS, the average Medicare Advantage monthly premium will increase only $1.64 in 2014, compared with the rates for 2013.

Republicans are sure to try to drag the issue of "cuts" back into the 2014 campaign, because you know they're not going to stop campaigning against Obamacare and they're not going to stop trying to scare the elderly.

Scaring the elderly is the foundation of any Republican campaign.

October 20, 2013 at 4:10 p.m.
rick1 said...

Al posted "I wrote every word in that letter, but I did not agree with every word written in that document. You see, many people had a hand in the creation of that letter. I merely put it together and submitted it."

Man up Al, when you took ownership of everything written in the letter when you stated you were the writer. Now that you have been called out you want to say you do not agree with everything you wrote in the letter.

Sorry Al, I don't buy it. If you did not agree with every word in the letter then you should have had someone else write it.

October 20, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "AL, Did you get your disability? guess you did or you wouldn't be getting Medicare. Are you covered yet? Why did the health care drop you?"

I'm not going to be making myself the focus of attention in here. So, forgive me if I desire to keep some things private.

However, my insurance plan was dropped by my insurer, due to the degeneration of my medical condition.

I am supposed to be on Medicare by December.

October 20, 2013 at 4:24 p.m.
degage said...

Al, Glad to hear that, you really need it.

October 20, 2013 at 4:26 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Man up Al, when you took ownership of everything written in the letter when you stated you were the writer. Now that you have been called out you want to say you do not agree with everything you wrote in the letter."

And I didn't. Yes, I wrote every word, but I did it in representation of a very large number of people.

The core issue at hand, which unfairly favored Mexican Trucking companies, was a very large concern of mine, and it still does. The good news is that that particular provision of NAFTA, to the best of my knowledge, has not been implemented to date.

"Sorry Al, I don't buy it. If you did not agree with every word in the letter then you should have had someone else write it."

I'm sorry you don't "buy it."

Your attempt to relate the content of that letter in any manner to my personal stance on illegal immigration is not my problem.

You're interpreting way too much into what was written. I have tried to make you understand where I was coming from. Your choice not to accept my clarification is your problem.

I have no problem separating two and very distinct issues that affect this nation from down South.

October 20, 2013 at 4:35 p.m.
alprova said...

degage wrote: "Al, Glad to hear that, you really need it."

Thank you, but my hope is that I will not be needing to be hospitalized in the near future.

My treatments are going well and I am still hanging in there.

October 20, 2013 at 4:39 p.m.
chet123 said...

HA HA HA HA....PLAINTRUTH IS A WHITE MAN NAME DENNIS...........HEY DENNIS.....WHY ARE YOU THROWING STONES AND HIDING BEHIND A BLACK FACE? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

October 20, 2013 at 5:27 p.m.
chet123 said...

THIS IS HOW PHONY THESE BOZOS ARE HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!

ASHAME OF THEIR OWN IDEAS.......HA HA HA HA!!!

October 20, 2013 at 5:29 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Perhaps those costs will be paid from the fines received, but I have seen nothing concrete that addresses the issue of who pays for the deadbeats.

Al, the reason you haven't seen that addressed is because it has not been. The sad thing is the number of uninsured showing up for medical treatment will not go down and those paying for such now will continue paying for that plus subsidizing insurance for some that have been paying for their own.

October 20, 2013 at 5:38 p.m.
fairmon said...

From anniebelle and alprova on behalf of Obama......

Listen up...You will, whether you want to or need to or not, buy health insurance. I know what is best for you and everyone else so go do it without question. As an incentive if you fail to buy insurance I will seek the IRS on you and they will take it out of your hide with a fine that is called a tax. You will share your stuff with those who have less stuff regardless of why they have less. So, suck it up and quit yapping about freedom of choice or liberty and that old time crap. Any more objection and I will have you up on charges of treason, terrorism and anything else I can think of too keep you quiet. I won the election and I will do as I damn well please without negotiation or consideration of opposing views. The AHA is the law of the land and is going to be in effect except in those cases I make an exception.

October 20, 2013 at 5:52 p.m.
chet123 said...

I BEEN GONE FOR ABOUT 3 MONTHS.....BUT PEOPLE LIKE PLAINTRUTH IS WHY I DONT STAY GONE TOO LONG......

PLAINTRUTH WHO REAL NAME IS DENNIS CANT DEFEND HIS BELEIF NOR IDEAS....SO HE RESULTS TO CHILDISH STUNTS...CHILDISH GAMES...

THIS GOMER HAVE TAKEN THE AVARTAR OF DR.BEN CARSON AND COMMENTING AS IF BEN CARSONS IS SPEAKING HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!....THIS WACKO IS LOOKING FOR A BLACK MAN IN HIS OWN IMAGE..HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

HE'S LOOKING FOR ANOTHER SELL-OUT LIKE HERMAN CAIN.......HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

HEY DENNIS....I NEVER PRETEND I'M SOMEONE ELSE....I CAN DEFEND MY BELEIF WITHOUT LYING AND PLAYING GAMES

October 20, 2013 at 5:53 p.m.
chet123 said...

BY THE WAY!

DENNIS IS AN FAITHFUL FOX TV VEIWER.....HE QUOTES BILL OREILLY,SEAN HANNITY AND BECK........................

HE'S AN SIXTY YEAR OLD GRAY HEADED GOMER HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

October 20, 2013 at 5:55 p.m.
chet123 said...

FAIRMOM...ARE YOU MALE????Mmmmmmmm?....WHO ARE YOU RIGHT-WING NUTTYS HIDING FROM HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

YOU SAID THEY KNOW WHAT GOOD FOR YOU....WHO IS THEY??????

AMERICAN PEOPLE ELECTED THIS PRESIDENT TWICE ON THIS POLICY.....TWICE!!!!!!

AND THE PRESIDENT DIDNT HAVE TO GERRYMANN THE VOTES.........

REPUBLICAN DO NOT PRESENT THE MAJORITY OF AMERICAN VOTERS...SO GET OVER IT.

MANDATORY INSURANCE IS NOTHING NEW.......AUTO INSURANCE DOEST IT....AND YOU SAY NOTHING AGAINST IT......SO PLEASE SAVE THE BS FOR YOUR RIGHT-WING BUDDIES

October 20, 2013 at 6:06 p.m.
chet123 said...

BENNETT IS RIGHT.....TEA PARTY REPRESENT HATE,PREJUDICE.STUPIDITY,FEAR.......THEY HAVE NO IDEAS...AND THEY ARE A DANGEROUS PARTY........

October 20, 2013 at 6:14 p.m.
chet123 said...

DR.BEN CARSON....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!

THESE RIGHT-WING NUTS REALLY THINK THEY ARE TALKING TO BEN CARSON...HA HA HA HA HA!

October 20, 2013 at 6:16 p.m.
jesse said...

It must be "furlough day" at the nut farm today!!

October 20, 2013 at 6:25 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

☚⇚⬅ HEY CHET. HOW DO YOU LIKE ME NOW? HA HA HA HA I'M NOT HIDING NOR CLAIMING TO BE BLACK, AS YOU DO. HA HA HA HA YOU'RE ABOUT AS BLACK AS CONAL O'BRIAN. HA HA HA HA!!!

October 20, 2013 at 6:52 p.m.
chet123 said...

HA HA HA HA......PLAINTRUTH GOT IT ALL FIGURE OUT..............SOMETIMES I WANDER WHAT DOES HE THINK BLACK PEOPLE ARE......THIS WHAT FOX NEWS DO FOR THESE RIGHT-WING NUTS......HA HA HA HA HA HA....PLAINTRUTH GOT HIS OWN IDEA HOW A BLACK MAN THINKS AND TALK...THIS IS WHY HE THINK I'M WHITE....HA HA HA HA HA HA HA........I'M SMART!!!!!

HEY PLAINTRUTH....I'M AN AVERAGE BLACK......I HAVE BLACK FRIEND YOU COULDNT LACE THEIR SHOE UP........THEY MAY USE YOUR DUMB BUTT FOR A YARN MAN.......AND THEY ARE DEMOCRATES WITH LOTS OF MONEY....

PLAINTRUTH....YOUR PROBLEM IS YOU HAVE ALLOWED FOX NEWS AND RUSH LIMBAUGH(WHO IS GETTING DIRTY RICH OFF YOUR IGNORANT) TO DUMB YOU DOWN.....YOU HAVE STEROTYPE IMAGE OF BLACK PEOPLE.....HOW THEY SHOULD TALK AND THINK HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.....

WHAT DUMB RIGHT-WING NUTS AS YOURSELF DONT UNDERSTAND IS BY BEING NARROW MINDED....YOU GIVE ME A HUGE ADVANTAGE OVER YOU BUDDY......

HA HA HA HA HA

October 20, 2013 at 7:24 p.m.
chet123 said...

PLAINTRUTH...STOP HIDING BEHIND BLACK-FACES HA HA HA HA HA HA

October 20, 2013 at 7:25 p.m.
fairmon said...

I don't care for either party. Personally I want the government to leave me the hell alone if I am paying taxes and not causing harm to anyone else. I will readily agree to more taxes if that would keep the governments from dictating to me under the pretense of protecting me from my ignorance when actually I need protection from their and their supporters ignorance.

CHET123....You dumass....I only have to have auto insurance to protect the other party and only if I drive a car. I guess you think I need to be fined or pay a tax for electing not to drive?

Did they feed you good in lock up?

October 20, 2013 at 7:34 p.m.
chet123 said...

FAIRMON..HEY GENIUS!....YOU ARE PSEUDO-SMART......YOU MISS THE POINT EGG-HEAD....IT IS MANDOTORY.....YOU ARE FORCE TO CARRY IT......YOUR PUT WILL BE LOCKED-UP LIKE A SPIDER-MONKEY(BECAUSE THEY WILL SUSPEND YOUR LIC. IF YOU DRIVE YOUR OWN CAR) IN A CAGE IF YOU DONT GET IT AND ATEMP TO DRIVE THAT TRUCK OF YOURS...YOU SUPERDUMMY

October 20, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

moon4kat said...

mean-spirited, hate-mongering liars.

tantrums, hostile divisiveness, and hostage-taking

the know-nothing teabaggers

many distortions, half-truths, and out-right lies

ignore the poison-spiked tea

”We need reasonable political discourse” ... Really? ... You do seem to have an excellent sense of self awareness.

October 20, 2013 at 7:50 p.m.
chet123 said...

FAIRMON....DONT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE POLITICIAN....YOU ELECTED THEM.....YOU ALLOWED UNLIMITED FUNDS....YOU ALLOW CORPORATE TO BE PEOPLE.....YOU ALLOW POLITICIANS TO BE BOUGHT...YOU ALLOWED THE SUPREME COURT TO BE BOUGHT.....YOU TOO STUPID TO PUSH CHAMPAGNE REFORMS.........DEMOCRACY IS BEING TAKEN FROM THE PEOPLE........AND YOU SAID YOU DONT LIKE NEITHER PARTY...HA HA HA YOU SOUNDS LIKE A TEA-PARTY NUT.....HA HA HA HA HA

WORK THE POLITICAL SYSTEM DUMMY

October 20, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

inquiringmind said...

anniebelle, even the least of the least deserve our compassion, as great a challenging human task as that may be. As you see, many of them are compulsively forced to do it. We can offer to lift the milestones from their necks, but only they may choose to accept the help, or remain gnashing their teeth in darkness.

anniebelle said...

Thank you inquiring mind. I don't for the life of me understand how people in this country, with so much, can be so selfish and full of hate.

The both of you are so kind hearted I can actually hear the milk of human kindness sloshing around inside of you.

October 20, 2013 at 7:51 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

ah yes ... These people that spout their ignorance on here everyday probably live paycheck to paycheck and one catestrophic (sic) illness and they're doomed.

You Fleabaggers seem to take such delight in that possibility ... don’t you?

October 20, 2013 at 7:52 p.m.
degage said...

So, Chet, you must watch O'Reily Beck and Hannity to know what these people say, or you wouldn't say PT quotes them. You are as loony now as you were a couple of months ago. So when did they let you out. Your last post was stupid.

October 20, 2013 at 7:53 p.m.
chet123 said...

HELLO DEGAGE....HOW ARE YOU....

DEGAGE....THERES AN OLD SAYING.....BE CLOSE TO YOUR FRIENDS....BUT CLOSER TO THE ENEMY.......YES I WATCH FOX DAILY....I SEE THEIR PROPAGANDA....SEE THE LIES THEY TELL THEIR VEIWER....THE PHONY THEY HAVE AS GUEST.....THE CROONY AND PHONY.....THE FEMALE NEWS HOST ARE ALL BLONDES AND DRESS LIKE HORNY PROSTITUTES TO ATTRACT THE OLD WHITE MALE HA HA HA HA HA

THE ADVANTAGE I HAVE OVER YOU IS I UNDERSTAND YOUR CULTURE.....A LOT OF THE RIGHT-WING IDEOLOGE COME OUT OF THE SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH WHO HAVE BETRAYED THE SOUTHERN WHITE SO CALLED CHRISTIAN WITH LIES.

SOME OF MY CLOSES FRIEND ARE WHITE....BUT THEY DONT PRESCRIBE TO SOUTHERN BAPTIST LIES.....WHICH IS THE STRONGE ARM OF THE SOUTHERN TEA-PARTY

October 20, 2013 at 8:01 p.m.
chet123 said...

HISTORY PROVE THEY HAVE BEEN WRONG ON EVERY ISSUE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS COUNTRY

October 20, 2013 at 8:03 p.m.
chet123 said...

THE TRUTH IS LIKE A DOUBLE EDGE SWORD.....THE RIGHT-WING NUT USUALLY RUN AWAY WHEN I ENTER THE TFPRESS COMMENTS....THEY CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH.......THEY BEEN TAUGHT LIES FROM MOMMA AND DADDY,UNCLE JED AND REV. GOMER

IF THESE FOLK MET CHRIST AND SEE HIS SKIN IS BROWN THET WOULD NAIL HIM TO THE CROSS AGAIN..HA HA HA HA!

October 20, 2013 at 8:14 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hotdiggity said...

Bubble bubble, toil and trouble.

Such a noble attempt yet so stupidly presented ... if you know what I mean?

October 20, 2013 at 8:16 p.m.
chet123 said...

YOU RUN BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO ANSWER........I BEEN ON HERE FOR 4YEARS.........I FOUND OUT THE RIGHT-WINGS HAVE BEEN BRAIN WASHED....THEY CANT DEFEND THEIR BELEIF....SO THEY RUN,RUN,RUN HA HA HA HAH A....LIKE THE COWARD THEY ARE HA HA HAH HA

October 20, 2013 at 8:18 p.m.
chet123 said...

JT6GR3HM......YOU HAVENT CHANGED....STILL NARROW MINDED.....YOU HAVE NEVER DEFENED YOUR ARGUMENTS....YOU JUST NAME CALL AND PAT EACH OTHER ON THE BACK.......THIS IS BECAUSE YOU ARE LOST WITHOUT SOME RIGHT-WING TALKING POINT.........HA HA HA HA HA HA.....

October 20, 2013 at 8:21 p.m.
chet123 said...

HA HA HA HA.....!!!

FOX DONT EQUIP YOU AGAINST AVERAGE PEOPLE LIKE MY...HA HA HA HA...SO YOU RUN.RUN.RUN.

I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT A MAN WHO WONT STAND UP....I WILL TAKE HIS WIFE...HA HA HA HA!

October 20, 2013 at 8:25 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

In the 89 comments, forgetting the first3 or 4, I have yet to read a cogent, rational argument in favor of the tea party stand. Virtually every thing had been vitrol, recrimination and playground sewer talk. It really encapsulated Clay's cartoon. If all you have to offer is recrimination and castigation you are in a big hole.God help our nation.

October 20, 2013 at 8:36 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Inquiring...I agree with you on one point. God help our nation.

October 20, 2013 at 8:44 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

HEY CHET. I'M NOT HIDING, WHITE-BOY. HA HA HA HA!!

October 20, 2013 at 8:47 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I find it completely laughable to think that some of the worst Obama bashers on this board, do so knowing that their sustenance comes straight from the Government of the United States. Even worse, is the knowledge that many top Republicans, if given half a chance, would work to limit that sustenance that everyone works for in their twilight years.

That’s the way it always is with you Fleabaggers. If it doesn’t benefit you personally or your faction you just can’t support it. You just can’t imagine people that would support a policy that will in some way harm their personal financial situation if it is something that would benefit the nation as a whole in a greater fashion. It’s just the inherent mindset that leads you Fleabaggers to think that social justice with other people's money is a reflection of your personal benevolence.

I happen to know no less than a dozen people on a very intimate basis who have the same problem. They worship the Republicans despite everything they would do to them if they were to attain enough power to do so.

It’s obvious that you associate with a type of people whose social values exceeds yours.

Republicans are very vocal in their endeavors to gut Medicare as it is today. They would love nothing more than to cut the amount of Social Security that people are receiving today, and cut it out completely for those who are only a decade away from reaching that milestone themselves.

That is an absolute lie and I say you are capable of proving otherwise.

Many of the original founders of the Tea Party have meandered away from the movement

Name the “many”

I am no longer concerned that the Tea Party is a viable threat to this nation. They have become nothing more than a sideshow attraction, and are entertainment to most people.

For a group that you Fleabaggers claim are of no consequence you spend an inordinate amount of time obsessing about them.

I hope that the worst among them keep up their antics, for they will be responsible for an unusual outcome to the mid-term elections next year for sure.

Seems like that was your same ignorant position in 2010 and the issues are the same.

October 20, 2013 at 11:18 p.m.
fairmon said...

chet123 said....

......YOUR PUT WILL BE LOCKED-UP LIKE A SPIDER-MONKEY(BECAUSE THEY WILL SUSPEND YOUR LIC. IF YOU DRIVE YOUR OWN CAR) IN A CAGE IF YOU DONT GET IT AND ATEMP TO DRIVE THAT TRUCK OF YOURS...YOU SUPERDUMMY

You have no idea what you are talking about. I do not, repeat after me, I do not have to insure my own car. I do not have to carry collision or comprehensive insurance but if I drive I must have liability insurance that protects another party should there be an accident.

I have a choice of not driving therefore no insurance is required.

Your reading comprehension has not improved and I see you can't yet afford a computer where the caps key is not locked in the on position......hahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

October 21, 2013 at 12:55 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, your argument that you can choose to not own a car, living here in the South, is a very weak argument.

Unless one is a shut-in, an automobile is almost an absolute necessity. Not many people live where they can walk or bike to every destination they need in their lives, and let's face it, buses don't go everywhere, 24/7/365.

So, the reality for most everyone is the need for an automobile, and thus mandated insurance.

As someone who claims to be a self-made man, I'm sure you see the self-responsibility side of the issue for mandated health care insurance, for not many people live their lives without the need to see a physician at sometime during their lives.

Object to the tax, if you must, for non-compliance, but somewhere down deep, I'm sure you see the wisdom in a certain amount of force being applied to all Americans to seek to take some responsibility for this aspect of their own lives and the expenses that come with it.

After all, you'd be on board with anything that would force an erosion of welfare as we know it, wouldn't you?

What do you think it's going to take for Government to somehow find a way to not be put in the place of having to pay the way for people who are not self-responsible?

Everyone should be rooting for ObamaCare to be a shining success.

Think about where we could go from here, if it is.

I'd be for an agency that would evaluate every single person on welfare and food stamps, to determine if they are in need, or just shiftless and lazy.

October 21, 2013 at 1:48 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

So, the reality for most everyone is the need for an automobile, and thus mandated insurance.

Only liability is mandated which protects the other party in the event of an accident but there is no mandate that I insure my own vehicle or me. A very logical and reasonable law unlike mandated healthcare insurance and for the fist time in history a tax for failure to purchase which is a far cry from a sales or consumption tax on items purchased.

October 21, 2013 at 2:19 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Object to the tax, if you must, for non-compliance, but somewhere down deep, I'm sure you see the wisdom in a certain amount of force being applied to all Americans to seek to take some responsibility for this aspect of their own lives and the expenses that come with it.

I agree people should be required to be responsible for this and other aspects of their life. However, being an enabler of those able but unwilling is not the answer.

alprova said...

Everyone should be rooting for ObamaCare to be a shining success.

Believe me I would like nothing better but I see no possibility of it with the leadership or lack of it we have and I don't mean the president who is only a pawn in the game. The issue and viable solutions are too lengthy to document in this forum and it would be a waste of time. The vast majority will not do their own thinking and advocate anything some politician hasn't told them is good for them. Government involvement and intervention has never made anything cheaper, more efficient or more affordable.

October 21, 2013 at 2:39 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, in the State of Georgia, when operating a motor vehicle, if you are caught without having the minimal liability insurance in force, regardless of where you live or where your car is registered, you are not fined or taxed, to begin with. You are whisked off to jail first and your car is impounded.

The "taxes" you will pay to, bail yourself out of jail, retrieve your motor vehicle, and to restore your driving privileges in any state, will make you feel like a train has been rammed where the sun doesn't shine.

Your argument against mandated health care insurance is the argument of a bum. You're arguing for the right to force taxpayers to pay the health care costs for those who do not desire to insure themselves for their health care costs.

For once, the Government has imposed something that will eventually reduce that which is paid out on behalf of those who flit through life without taking charge of expenses that they should be taking care of, and all some can do is hope that it fails.

Your twisting the logic of the health care law into that of a forced tax for failure to purchase, is not sound.

Coercing people into taking responsibility for one aspect of their own lives, should be welcomed by every single American who believes that they are taxed too much.

Perhaps you WOULD be more amenable to a system of taxation, from all sources, be it wages, interest income, assets, etc. to be pooled for a single payer system of health care.

ObamaCare is not a perfect answer, but it is a compromise that was drafted to appease those who are opposed to a system of universal health care, where everyone pools a percentage of whatever funds they have and everyone's health care costs are paid from those pooled funds.

If ObamaCare does fail, that is where we head next. The onus is on health care insurers to make ObamaCare work, if they desire to be a part of this nation's health care future.

Health care providers are most definitely opposed to ObamaCare, which is understandable, because the downward pressure that will be applied by insurers who will be hanging on for dear life, is going to be tremendous. And that is a good thing.

Out of control billing will become a thing of the past. $50 aspirins are going to be no more. Accountability by providers is going to be the new rule, come January 1, 2014, and for the first time, insurers are going to hold their feet to the fire, to justify every single item on a medical bill.

October 21, 2013 at 3 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Government involvement and intervention has never made anything cheaper, more efficient or more affordable."

Most of us are too young to know what it was like to live in this nation prior to 1929.

Before government took on the responsibility of monitoring our financial institutions, severe depressions were a recurring problem in this country. 1819, 1837, 1857, 1873, 1893, 1907 and 1929 were the start to devastating depressions.

Thanks to government intervention, we were able to avoid, for many decades, an enormous amount of human suffering caused by massive economic meltdowns, which included widespread joblessness, destitution, rampant hunger, disease, riots, hopelessness and despair.

Eliminating severe depressions and the misery that comes with them, has been one of the greatest achievements of our Federal Government.

That was until those safeguards were rescinded in 1999. The economic meltdown we are currently recovering from, is a result of the partial removal of such Government oversight.

You also can't overlook this nation's public health institutions, like the National Institutes of Health, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and state and local Public Health departments, which have collectively improved the health of most Americans.

The Interstate Highway System is something we take for granted today, but when it was being developed, it was something to behold.

The Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation is responsible for assuring all Americans that entrusting their money to banks all across the land, is a safe and sound proposition.

Without Social Security and Medicare, growing old would be hell for many Americans. Before Social Security and Medicare, millions of the elderly were doomed to spend their retirement years in poverty and illness. Social Security has cut the rate of poverty for the elderly by over half – from 29% in 1966 to 10% today.

How about the GI Bill? Without this Government sponsored program, the middle class as we know it would likely be a pipe dream. The GI Bill provided government funds for millions of World War II and Korean veterans to attend college.

Then there's the Federal Housing Authority. The middle class housing building and buying boom in 1940's was initially financed GI Bill housing loans and by Federal Housing Authority insurance of conventional home loans.

In 1945, only 44% of Americans owned their own home. By 1968, 63% of Americans owned a home. The FHA still insures over $50 billion a year in mortgages. Currently, nearly 70% of Americans own their own homes.

How about the Consumer Protection Product Safety Commission? Since the 1970s, government has passed legislation to protect consumers from defective and dangerous products. The need it fills is still quite necessary, for products kill over 20,000 consumers a year and injure over 25 million. Without the recalls they issue, those numbers would be far worse.

Want more?

October 21, 2013 at 3:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Fairmon, in the State of Georgia, when operating a motor vehicle, if you are caught without having the minimal liability insurance in force, regardless of where you live or where your car is registered, you are not fined or taxed, to begin with. You are whisked off to jail first and your car is impounded.

I think I clearly stated each time that only liability which protects another party in the event of an accident is mandatory. I do know people that elect to not own or drive an automobile. They ride to work in a car pool and a family member or a boy friend drives them to run errands. People living in large cities prefer public transportation and do not own an automobile so no insurance expense. It is an apples and oranges comparison to use auto insurance as justification for a healthcare non-purchase tax.

October 21, 2013 at 6:56 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Government involvement and intervention has never made anything cheaper, more efficient or more affordable."

Thanks to government intervention, we were able to avoid, for many decades, an enormous amount of human suffering caused by massive economic meltdowns, which included widespread joblessness, destitution, rampant hunger, disease, riots, hopelessness and despair.

You assume no improvement would have occurred without government intervention. Very few of the examples are valid and there is a view by some where the government caused the improvement to be delayed. Also, there is a major difference in legislation with good over sight or monitoring and operation by the government. Need I list the failures to monitor and assure compliance?

An example of governments managing process..........

Some fortunate federal employees will likely get paid twice for not working this month.

Several states are expected to allow federal workers who collected unemployment insurance during the government shutdown to keep both those benefits and the back pay they're set to receive, according to the Labor Department.

The only logic is that their furlough wasn't their fault. It is not a laid off workers fault from any employer but they aren't paid for any time missed if they return to work.

We can wear each other out and I am glad you are back but it is a fact we do not agree on the wonderfulness of government and on the current AHA.

October 21, 2013 at 7:19 a.m.
anniebelle said...

Jt says: You Fleabaggers seem to take such delight in that possibility ... don’t you? Perfect right wing logic -- yes that's why we're pushing so hard for universal health care so that very scenario does NOT happen to any of our citizens. Most Americans, unfortunately, do live paycheck to paycheck. We are not known for our attention to savings. Few have enough to sustain them for 6-months and if they require extensive treatment in a hospital, that can easily run up into the Millions. There are just some areas in which Americans do not excel, saving for later need is at the top of the list. And to your other remark: The both of you are so kind hearted I can actually hear the milk of human kindness sloshing around inside of you. I know you find it repugnant that anybody would want to help a fellow human being. That's one of the key attributes of a card carrying, teabagging, repuke.

October 21, 2013 at 7:36 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

annie says "I know you find it repugnant that anybody would want to help a fellow human being. That's one of the key attributes of a card carrying, teabagging, repuke." Hey Belle, where's that civil discourse and leftists tolerance?

October 21, 2013 at 8:18 a.m.
anniebelle said...

PT doesn't seem to take heed of facts. Like this: BTW, belle, I'm guessing many of the "paycheck to paycheck" people on here could buy you with their cookie jar money. The alarming conclusion in a new report from the Deloitte Center for Financial Services, which found that 60% of pre-retirees believe health care costs will consume their savings no matter how much they save. Similarly, 39% believe investment returns won’t be high enough to provide decent retirement income regardless of how much they manage to put away.

Deloitte found exasperation at every turn: 58% don’t have a retirement plan; nearly 40% don’t know what an annuity or mutual fund is; and 20% expect to rely purely on Social Security for their retirement needs.

Read more: http://business.time.com/2013/03/07/have-americans-given-up-on-saving-for-retirement/#ixzz2iMINJNUw

October 21, 2013 at 8:23 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

PT heeds very well, thank you Belle.

October 21, 2013 at 8:36 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

"Obama-turns-down-ibm-offer-to-cut-medicare-fraud-by-900-billion-dollars."

BOGUS!

October 21, 2013 at 9:06 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

proof?

October 21, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

PT doesn't seem to take heed of facts. Like this: BTW, belle, I'm guessing many of the "paycheck to paycheck" people on here could buy you with their cookie jar money.

Please pray tell, how is your following reply a coherent answer to PT’s above claim?

The alarming conclusion in a new report from the Deloitte Center for Financial Services, which found that 60% of pre-retirees believe health care costs will consume their savings no matter how much they save. Similarly, 39% believe investment returns won’t be high enough to provide decent retirement income regardless of how much they manage to put away.

What the general public “believes” is hardly a realistic indicator of economic or financial reality.

Deloitte found exasperation at every turn: 58% don’t have a retirement plan; nearly 40% don’t know what an annuity or mutual fund is; and 20% expect to rely purely on Social Security for their retirement needs.

That may be true but it is a fact that the elder segment of the population is the wealthiest.

October 21, 2013 at 9:16 a.m.
alprova said...

The interesting thing about the article you offered pt, is that the source article does not exist, it is hosted on a clearly anti-Obama website, not to mention that it is nearly three years old.

Second, the headline reads as if it was the President himself who turned down such an offer. You know that was not true.

Third, if such and offer was made, what was the eventual cost being touted for the software?

And lastly, since nearly three years has passed since this was offered, what relevance does it have?

You'd have thought that if there was a shred of truth to it, that every Republican running for office would have cited it numerous times.

Yeah...I second the motion that it is indeed bogus.

I mean really...commentsonamnesia.com?

October 21, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo, you're nothing if not predictable.

October 21, 2013 at 9:26 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I think I clearly stated each time that only liability which protects another party in the event of an accident is mandatory."

I'm well aware that you did. My point is that no one will be jailed if they do not comply with purchasing health care insurance.

"I do know people that elect to not own or drive an automobile."

And what percentage of adult Americans do you believe do not own automobiles? Less than 10% of American households do not own autos.

"It is an apples and oranges comparison to use auto insurance as justification for a healthcare non-purchase tax."

It may appear that way to you, but the Supreme Court ruled it very legal and that's the way it's gonna be.

People can learn to deal with it or blow their brains out over it.

I don't see any more options open to them any time soon.

October 21, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
alprova said...

If a fine was proposed to be levied on any American who refused to work for a living, who was able to, I'm sure that most people would be all for that.

What is so different about a fine to coerce people to take charge of their own health care coverage?

Either people are for forcing people to be self-reliant, or they are not.

October 21, 2013 at 9:37 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

Jt says: You Fleabaggers seem to take such delight in that possibility ... don’t you?

Perfect right wing logic -- yes that's why we're pushing so hard for universal health care so that very scenario does NOT happen to any of our citizens.

No, it’s all about the gathering of political power to the Fleabagger side of the ledger. After all you side has all of the correct answers so naturally you should be making all the decisions to correct our nations problems. ... Right?

Most Americans, unfortunately, do live paycheck to paycheck. We are not known for our attention to savings. Few have enough to sustain them for 6-months and if they require extensive treatment in a hospital, that can easily run up into the Millions. There are just some areas in which Americans do not excel, saving for later need is at the top of the list.

Maybe if you were addressing the causes instead of the symptoms ... you do claim to be an accountant ... do you not? If so wouldn’t you make a better financial educator than a babysitter but that reaps less accolades for your benevolence ... does it not?

And to your other remark: The both of you are so kind hearted I can actually hear the milk of human kindness sloshing around inside of you. I know you find it repugnant that anybody would want to help a fellow human being. That's one of the key attributes of a card carrying, teabagging, repuke.

I guess like most issues on here, that just went over your head. The point is that you both come across as being mostly concern about getting recognition for you perceived “good” deeds. That your intentions are more important than any results you may produce.

October 21, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

anniebelle = yet another bogus CPA

October 21, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
alprova said...

pt wrote: "Alpo, you're nothing if not predictable."

Well, you could go and find something to back up that article, that would make it more believable, but I'm sure you won't spend any time doing so.

Since I am one who does take the time to verify anything I run across, permit me to assist you in your fact-checking;

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=70746

Additionally, it appears that the software is being used by Medicare after all. An article posted nearly a year ago, touts the use of the software by Medicare;

http://pathologyblawg.com/medical-news/new-software-combat-medicare-fraud-finds-115-million-first-year-savings/

October 21, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

The onus of proof lies with the claimant.

Care to dispute Alprova’s findings?

Obama is however cloning Lenin, Trotsky, Stalin and Mao. Don’t know why he’d want to clone Stalin; the Tea Party has more in common with Stalinism than any of those naughty Democrats.

October 21, 2013 at 9:52 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

The interesting thing about the article you offered pt, is that the source article does not exist, it is hosted on a clearly anti-Obama website, not to mention that it is nearly three years old.

Source articles do exist and the fact that they are referenced in a “anti-Obama” site does not automatically make them wrong. At least it doesn’t for someone seeking the truth ... Right?

Second, the headline reads as if it was the President himself who turned down such an offer. You know that was not true.

He is the captain of the “Ship of State” is he not?

Third, if such and offer was made, what was the eventual cost being touted for the software?

I’m sure it would have been reasonable to give them a cut of the savings and they would have been happy as their real reward would be in publicity for their accomplishment which would produce new clients.**

And lastly, since nearly three years has passed since this was offered, what relevance does it have?

Considering the current debacle with the the ACA software system it is very relevant.

You'd have thought that if there was a shred of truth to it, that every Republican running for office would have cited it numerous times.

Some did.

Yeah...I second the motion that it is indeed bogus.

I mean really...commentsonamnesia.com?

Source article from the NYT:

What can be done to tackle the federal deficit without raising taxes or slashing Medicare and Social Security?

The answer lies in streamlining government with the smarter use of technology, which can cut government spending by $1 trillion over the next decade, according to technology companies. And that is the recommendation that will be presented on Wednesday to senior White House economic officials and Federal Reserve bankers by six chief executives from leading technology companies, including I.B.M., Intel and EMC.

(cont)

October 21, 2013 at 10:11 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

(cont)

It may seem like a high-level sales pitch masquerading as a policy proposal. But the Technology CEO Council, the industry group, and some government experts insist that the $1 trillion goal is achievable.

The tech executives group, founded in 1989 as the Computer Systems Policy Project, has a track record of successfully providing a bipartisan push to several initiatives, government experts say.

The projected $1 trillion savings over a decade, while eye-catching, is not out of line with some other recent estimates of the potential benefits — if government can adopt the best practices used in industry. A McKinsey & Company study, published last year, placed the projected 10-year savings at more than $1 trillion.

None of the recommendations require new legislation, and many of the steps are part of the technology-enabled reforms being pursued by the government’s chief information officer, Vivek Kundra, and acting director of the budget office, Jeffrey Zeints.

October 21, 2013 at 10:14 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MickeyRat said...

The onus of proof lies with the claimant.

PT only linked to an article for your reference. You and alprova claimed it was bogus so where is your proof for your claim?

October 21, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said:

Additionally, it appears that the software is being used by Medicare after all. An article posted nearly a year ago, touts the use of the software by Medicare;

http://pathologyblawg.com/medical-news/new-software-combat-medicare-fraud-finds-115-million-first-year-savings/

From your link:

I must say, however, that I am a little saddened it took this long for CMS to decide it was going to start asking questions about questionable claims before it paid them as opposed to simply paying the claims and then trying to figure out after the fact whether the claim was appropriate.

Maybe they should have taken the tech companies up earlier on their original offer.

October 21, 2013 at 10:27 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

So Rat, what is it the TP has in common with Stalin?

October 21, 2013 at 10:29 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

If a fine was proposed to be levied on any American who refused to work for a living, who was able to, I'm sure that most people would be all for that.

I would not but I also would not be for them receiving any assistance from tax payers.

What is so different about a fine to coerce people to take charge of their own health care coverage?

None ... It is simply anti-freedom and liberty.

Either people are for forcing people to be self-reliant, or they are not.

I’m not ... People should be free to not only make their choices they should also suffer the results of those choices.

October 21, 2013 at 10:36 a.m.
joneses said...

alpos occupation is selling used cars. Why would anyone believe his lying a$$? He really is a used car sales person. one of the most dishonets professions in America. Used care sales people are more dishonest than attorneys.

October 21, 2013 at 10:40 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Jt6gR3hM,

PlainTruth’s claim was accusatory and the link was proffered as fact based evidence. It’s not, and is still bogus. It is a classic Rove/Goebbels trick. Throw out anything, and unless proved otherwise -- it is fact.

Dancing while running around the field with the goal posts doesn’t make it any more factual.

Alprova provided the rebuttal.

October 21, 2013 at 10:49 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

inquiringmind said...

In the 89 comments, forgetting the first3 or 4, I have yet to read a cogent, rational argument in favor of the tea party stand.

Try this

What Is The Tea Party Really Trying To Get Out Of Shutdown?

BRIT HUME:

Veteran political observers on both the left and right are still trying to figure out what the House Tea Party caucus and its Senate pied piper Ted Cruz were thinking when they insisted on using the threat of a government shutdown to defund ObamaCare.

In conventional terms, it seems inexplicable, but Senator Cruz and his adherents do not view things in conventional terms. They look back over the past half-century, including the supposedly golden era of Ronald Reagan, and see the uninterrupted forward march of the American left. Entitlement spending never stopped growing. The regulatory state continued to expand. The national debt grew and grew and finally in the Obama years, exploded. They see an American population becoming unrecognizable from the free and self-reliant people they thought they knew. And they see the Republican Party as having utterly failed to stop the drift toward an unfree nation supervised by an overweening and bloated bureaucracy. They are not interested in Republican policies that merely slow the growth of this leviathan. They want to stop it and reverse it. And they want to show their supporters they'll try anything to bring that about.

And if some of those things turn out to be reckless and doomed, well so be it.

October 21, 2013 at 10:56 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MickeyRat said...

Alprova provided the rebuttal.

Hardly ... but he did make the effort which is more than can be said for you.... Right?

October 21, 2013 at 11:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said.....

Either people are for forcing people to be self-reliant, or they are not.

How in the heck is self reliance being forced when subsidies are provided for some making up to $94,000 per year. Self reliance and responsibility can only be forced by not being an enabler of bad habits and behavior. I believe allowing people to experience the consequences of their poor decisions will yield better results. Dependency is not only a drug addiction but the "hand out" way governments provides assistance is addictive. Providing a "hand up" and requiring work is more effective.

I do hope not but we will see by year end 2014 if the leaks and tweaks to an already poorly constructed program destroys what could have been and should have been accomplished. People are easily convinced that some politicians can make chicken salad from chicken droppings or win the Kentucky Derby riding an elephant or mule.

The next tax will likely be on any food or drink the government thinks is too fattening or a contributor to other health issues.

October 21, 2013 at 11:04 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

The sad thing is....alpo, rat, & other left wingers are ideologues. By definition, they are not driven to seek the truth...they've found it they think. Thus minds are closed. Until obamacare is proven to be unworkable, they will defend it. Until obama is caught having sex with Putin, they will defend him. (maybe even then)...Sad, really, to be that intractable.

October 21, 2013 at 11:18 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Jt6gR3hM,

You can prance about all day, goalposts in hand, demanding ‘2+2 = chair’ all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a spurious claim and Alprova did provided the rebuttal.

‘Bogus’ stands.

October 21, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MickeyRat said...

Jt6gR3hM,

You can prance about all day, goalposts in hand, demanding ‘2+2 = chair’ all you want. It doesn’t change the fact that it’s still a spurious claim and Alprova did provided the rebuttal.

‘Bogus’ stands.

So does B.S. if you stack it high enough.

October 21, 2013 at 11:28 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

PRESIDENT OBAMA:

And now that the government has reopened and this threat to our economy is removed, all of us need to stop focusing on ..... professional activists who profit from conflict....

MARK STEYN:

Yeah, and actually, I resent this coming from a guy like President Obama. The only day job he’s ever had was as a professional activist as a so-called community organizer.

The thing he said just after that, where he said you know, you have to stop using shutdowns and all the rest of us, and have to learn from now on that the way to do it is to win the election. I found that very interesting, because the Republican Party in the election for the House of Representatives won the election. They won that election.

They’re the majority party in that house. And either that means something under the United States Constitution, or it doesn’t.

He was talking, it was fascinating to me, in that moment, he saw that, he revealed that he saw this country as a presidential republic somewhat closer, to be polite, to France’s, or at worst, to Latin America. In other words, there’s the president, and nobody else matters. He won the only election that matters, and the rest of you are just lobby fodder, and should demonstrate no independent initiatives of your own.

And again, he’s saying, he’s saying that essentially what has happened is that the United States Constitution now has become so deformed, that it is no longer operating as it’s meant to.

October 21, 2013 at 11:30 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

I'm shocked the WH is having problems reinventing the US healthcare system, after their amazing success record in the solar energy biz.

October 21, 2013 at 11:39 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

Jt6gR3hM,

“Obama Turns Down IBM Offer (with free software) to cut Medicare Fraud By $900 Billion Dollars”

BOGUS

So then, dispute the refutation supplied by Alprova. Or STFU!

October 21, 2013 at 11:42 a.m.
MickeyRat said...

My PlainTruth -- you sound very much like an ideologue.

October 21, 2013 at 11:44 a.m.

Stupid third world country we're becoming. We're all supposed to hang on El Presidente's every word as we scramble to scoop up the crumb he leaves for use while he, and other specials groups, politicians and bureaucrats get special treatment and special health plans. Who the hell is this punk, who clearly hates this country, and who is continually giving us the finger, to intrude into our private lives and use the IRS to meddle into out health issues. This is truly is disgusting. Obamacare has nothing to do with Obama's deep concern for our health, but it has everything to do with controlling us.

October 21, 2013 at 11:46 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rat. Not really. I always look at the other side. Your ilk is so eaten up with poor-guilt, white-guilt, success-guilt, that you can't see other positions. That's what an ideologue does, Bunky.

October 21, 2013 at 11:56 a.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

MickeyRat said...

Jt6gR3hM,

“Obama Turns Down IBM Offer (with free software) to cut Medicare Fraud By $900 Billion Dollars”

BOGUS

So then, dispute the refutation supplied by Alprova. Or STFU!

I’ve carefully considered your kind offer and have decided .... No I don’t think I’ll STFU.

BTW ... I have provided my proof and you are free to avail yourself of it or not ... honestly I couldn’t care less pal.

October 21, 2013 at 12:07 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

hambone said...

I heard Ted Cruz just this morning touting his website for teabaggers to vote to repeal Obamacare. Says he has over 2 million votes. That's a big number until you compare it to the total number of those that voted for president in 2012.

Only 1 1/2% of those that voted in 2012. Not exactly a overwhelming mandate HUH!

I bet Obama wishes the ACA had those kind of numbers for enrollees.

October 21, 2013 at 12:09 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Still waiting on The Chosen's mea culpa. Oh wait, he doesn't do them.

October 21, 2013 at 12:16 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Jt6gR3hM,

”I have provided my proof”

The hell you have. You’re just mad at not being able to refute Aprova’s rebuttal.

October 21, 2013 at 12:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Honest question: Could Obama have sold obamacare back in 09/10 if acknowledging higher rates, much higher deductibles? Huh?

October 21, 2013 at 12:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Consumer Reports, which publishes reviews of consumer products and services, advised its readers to avoid the federal healthcare exchange “for at least another month if you can.” “Hopefully that will be long enough for its software vendors to clean up the mess they’ve made,” the magazine said, having tested the site themselves over the course of the past three weeks.

The Organizer trying to sell it today with an infomercial from the White House.

October 21, 2013 at 12:41 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

Oh yes PlainTruth; you're an ideologue. A first rate one too.

October 21, 2013 at 12:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Obama's infomercial now promising solar powered toaster to enrollees.

October 21, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Writer Chris Stirewalt characterized The Messiah's performance at the infomercial as "His Sham-Wowness. HA HA HA HA

October 21, 2013 at 1:11 p.m.
joneses said...

The obamacare website disaster is what you fools deserve that voted for the "Liar in Chief". It is just the beginning of the rest of the disaster that awaits you. The real problem is you liberals are so enamored with the Liar in Chief obama that you are willing to suffer through all that awaits you to save him. Obama spent 600 million dollars on this website and had four years to get it right and incompetence is all that he has to show for it.

October 21, 2013 at 2:27 p.m.
anniebelle said...

Jt, I don't owe your or anyone else a reason for the way I choose to spend my free time. I've never proclaimed to be a financial 'educator'. So, you'll need another red herring. The problem with you and your ilk is you're always throwing out this false narrative "if I could have invested my money in (fill in the blank) instead of social security, blah, blah, blah. You like 90% of Americans, would be dead broke by the time you're retired except for the little bit you get from Social Security. Social Security was not set up for a retirement, get rich, investment scheme, it was set up as a safety net for Americans who are notorious for not saving for the future. And if you've got your money in a "cookie jar", you need more than a financial adviser, you need a mental health professional.

October 21, 2013 at 2:54 p.m.
joneses said...

The Liar in Chief, obama, will still not allow questions. I know why. He will be made a bigger fool than what he is making of himself.

October 21, 2013 at 2:58 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Tea Party or Teat Party. I'll take the former.

October 21, 2013 at 4:46 p.m.
fairmon said...

I understand the affordable health care insurance site spend is now at $600 million involving 65 different software vendors and it still is not functional. Apple spent 40 million developing the I-phone and people are thrilled with it's functionality. My bet would be the government failed to provide a comprehensive scope of work to the vendors. The government failed to appoint a single fanny to over see and combine the tested software as delivered.

We are told how many accessed the site, how many applied but not how many bought. I have never heard of a site where you shop on line that ask for all your personal data, credit card number and other post purchase information before any prices were revealed. Not so with the health care web site you have to furnish all the personal data and apply before the prices are known.

This no access to a mandated purchase is serious, too serious to tolerate, those needing the site to work should be irate, outraged to the point they all come together and demand an extension until the site has functioned properly for at least 90 days..

October 21, 2013 at 5:20 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

American tax payers paid more than half a billion dollars for the ObamaCARE online exchange site Healthcare.gov. It’s been an epic failure, just like the entire Obama regime. But now comes news from Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini, that because of IT problems with Healthcare.gov, it probably wouldn’t be fully functional until at least 2017. Yep, Healtcare.gov which cost you, me and the rest of the tax payers $634 million to not work, wouldn’t be fully functional for another 3 years and 3 months. Cool huh? I mean really. Should we be surprised?

October 21, 2013 at 6:03 p.m.
fairmon said...

PT said....

Healtcare.gov which cost you, me and the rest of the tax payers $634 million to not work, wouldn’t be fully functional for another 3 years and 3 months. Cool huh? I mean really. Should we be surprised?

Shades of Solyndra?

October 21, 2013 at 6:28 p.m.
rick1 said...
October 21, 2013 at 6:29 p.m.
fairmon said...

It is not Obama's fault nor is it George Bush's but some appointed incompetent butt to remain unnamed.

October 21, 2013 at 6:30 p.m.
whatsthefuss said...

There are people who post here who are in serious need of some help with their mental health.

anniebelle said... @October 20, 2013 at 6:27 a.m.

These people that spout their ignorance on here everyday probably live paycheck to paycheck and one catestrophic illness and they're doomed.

Meanwhile,,,,,, 40 minutes later,,,,,

anniebelle said... @October 20, 2013 at 7:07 a.m.

I don't for the life of me understand how people in this country, with so much, can be so selfish and full of hate.

& anniedingdong, try Catastrophic,,,, it works!!

Now on to the magic negro and his pep talk today. Have any of you blind folks who are believers in this liberal democrat fanatical religious group ever consider that the "Great One" you adore is laying blame on the web designers all because the enrollment numbers are so dismal that he knows this fantastic creation that he believes will become his legacy is doomed and has been from the start? As of last week 2 states reported that not one resident from either of their states had enrolled in Obamadontcare. The most transparent president in history, {according to the magic one himself} blows smoke up your a$$ without being honest about what the enrollment numbers are and you come on here in your Stepford Wife daze and repeat after him. It's the Republicans fault. It is your money that has funded this disaster. Shouldn't you know?

Now I ask you,,,, How smart does that make you????

With a Moo Moo here, and a Baaaa Baaa there, here a cluck,,,, yeah that's the sound I hear!!! eieio.

Chicken Brains,,, or is there such a thing???

October 21, 2013 at 6:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^. On the mark, caddy. Typical Teat Partier.

October 21, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

anniebelle said...

Jt, I don't owe your or anyone else a reason for the way I choose to spend my free time.

I don’t think I made a request for a reason as I made a declarative statement about you.

I've never proclaimed to be a financial 'educator'. So, you'll need another red herring.

From your postings here I doubt seriously you were an accountant or CPA either. You might have at best been a bookkeeper or receptionist at an accounting firm. Although those are honest occupations and typically they are not so insecure that they have to lie on their resume. My point was that if you were a professional your talents would be better used to lead people to save for their retirement. Rather than waiting till they are old and broke and you can toot your own horn about babysitting them.

The problem with you and your ilk is you're always throwing out this false narrative "if I could have invested my money in (fill in the blank) instead of social security, blah, blah, blah. You like 90% of Americans, would be dead broke by the time you're retired except for the little bit you get from Social Security.

I “filled in the blank” and it put S.S.’s return in the shade. Sorry I and my ilk will not require any of you self serving attention.

Social Security was not set up for a retirement, get rich, investment scheme, it was set up as a safety net for Americans who are notorious for not saving for the future. And if you've got your money in a "cookie jar", you need more than a financial adviser, you need a mental health professional.

But it’s my “cookie jar” and at my current usage it will long remain my family's “cookie jar” to add to their trust funds and not washed away back into the S.S. pit.

October 21, 2013 at 7:57 p.m.
alprova said...

Ah....yes, for some strange reason, a few hyenas seem to feel that no one who is liberal could ever have a professional license and work in the financial sector.

They have no idea what a CPA does or what role they play in the financial world.

Babysitting is indeed a reality that comes with the job. We are not financial advisers or investment advisers. We are not even leaders.

All we are empowered to do is to audit dollars and cents.

In my practice, I audited investments. I made sure that everything added up. I processed 401k loans. I administered and audited employer 401k plans.

If ever asked a personal opinion, I would give it, with the disclaimer that I was not an investment adviser or an investment planner.

The only investments I manage are my own.

I did not give anyone advise.

Annie, don't bother interacting with twits. They're not worth the time or trouble, 'cause all they are doing is trying to tick you off.

October 21, 2013 at 8:21 p.m.
alprova said...

Obama this, Obama that....

It's going to be a long, long three years and three months for some of you.

October 21, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^^^^ right about that, Alpy

October 21, 2013 at 8:37 p.m.
fairmon said...

Jt6gR3hM You will give anniebelle a migraine is she would think about things rather than find some journalist or politician that has written or said what she wants to hear and believe.

She cannot fathom that from concept those working contributed enough to allow those eligible to be recipients and that continues to work only about 15-20 more years. That concept is a Ponzi scheme and a lot of people are in jail for doing something similar.

The government in today's world could require people to invest their and their employers contribution in secure and insured investments with compounded interest or dividends. Their savings becomes part of their estate. An insured annuity at retirement would pay out more than social security. Why do politicians object to such a plan? It prevents them from using the funds to pay for a variety of welfare programs added to the social security program over time.

October 21, 2013 at 8:40 p.m.
workinjay said...

Alprova = pseudologia fantastica

October 21, 2013 at 10:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

☝☝☝☝ anniebelle too

October 21, 2013 at 11:10 p.m.
fairmon said...

pseudologia fantastica

an account of accomplishments that is false but the teller believes it is true. Compulsive lying. I wouldn't go that far alprova, I think you think what you say is an absolute truth.

October 22, 2013 at 12:01 a.m.
fairmon said...

anniebelle appears to have a visual scotoma regarding her favored party.

October 22, 2013 at 12:21 a.m.
Dismayed said...

"We have a dictatorial president who behaves as if our representative form of government is nothing more than a bother, or an interruption to the massive vacay he's in the midst of/his stay in the White House."

Dictatorial president? You do realize that he won the election, and that Democrats carried the popular vote in Congress?

The comments here make me believe that there is no hope for America because the citizens are morons.

November 24, 2013 at 7:29 p.m.
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