published Wednesday, October 30th, 2013

Relax

about Clay Bennett...

The son of a career army officer, Bennett led a nomadic life, attending ten different schools before graduating in 1980 from the University of North Alabama with degrees in Art and History. After brief stints as a staff artist at the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Fayetteville (NC) Times, he went on to serve as the editorial cartoonist for the St. Petersburg Times (1981-1994) and The Christian Science Monitor (1997-2007), before joining the staff of the ...

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GameOn said...

Something we can all agree on.

October 29, 2013 at 9:23 p.m.
joneses said...

Actually Chuck Fleischman is better than any talking bubble head obama a$$ kissing dummycrat that supports everything including the lies the Liar in Chief obama does.

October 29, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
joneses said...

Michelle Obama’s Princeton classmate is a top executive at the company that was given the contract to build the failed Obamacare website.

Toni Townes-Whitley, Princeton class of ’85, is senior vice president at CGI Federal, which earned the no-bid contract to build the $678 million Obamacare enrollment website at Healthcare.gov. CGI Federal is the U.S. arm of a Canadian company.

Townes-Whitley and her Princeton classmate Michelle Obama are both members of the Association of Black Princeton Alumni.

Toni Townes-Whitley and her family spent Christmas 2010 in the whitehouse with the OWEbamas.

WHY is the press and congress letting them get away with this?

October 29, 2013 at 9:33 p.m.
GameOn said...

I agree with Chuck on most issues but he is MIA, can't face his constituents in a town hall meeting (phone only), and the only time you see Chuck is on a campaign check pick up run. No more incumbents.

October 29, 2013 at 10:23 p.m.
AndrewLohr said...

And if intelligence is an art, is Mr Bennett a target? (My GUESS is they're both above average and below genius.)

One stupid thing smart liberals do is consider themselves qualified to do other people's thinking for them: here, let me and my pet bureaucrats help you by choosing your light bulbs, toilet tanks, and insurance policies for you. So the liberals waste energy trying to do the thinking for other people that we could do for ourselves. And smart as they are, they do it badly because each of us knows more about our own situations, and what we actually need and what actually works, than the guy behind a desk who's seen me for five minutes. So liberal Jimmy Carter was a lousy President (sorry for the anti-white racism there), and Ronald Reagan was a pretty good one, letting us think for ourselves.

One promise I don't think the Gingrich Congress ever kept was to take votes on dumb regulations ("Correction day"?) I'd like to see a constitutional, or high-ranking law, limitation on the hours and percentage of dollars that can be demanded of us to learn and comply with most regulations: say 1 hour per person per day and 5% of income, except for stuff like "thou shalt not murder" and "drive on the right."

Jesus is libertarian: "Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof." That's not our president's slogan, nor that of our cartoonist, eh?

October 29, 2013 at 10:51 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Still getting food stamps, Lohr? That's not very libertarian of you.

I though being on the public dole was against libertarianism.

Does Jesus support your theft from taxpayers while you play the accordian?

October 29, 2013 at 11:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

If Americans really wanted Obamacare there wouldn't be a law that forces them to buy it.

October 29, 2013 at 11:28 p.m.
alprova said...

dd, how did you become aware that Andrew receives food stamps?

Given the political views he routinely expresses, it does seem out of character for him to be one standing in line for assistance, but then I know many people personally who depend on the Gov't for their day to day sustenance, who seem to support the party most likely to turn their backs on them.

Perhaps he and his wife are foster parents.

October 30, 2013 at 3 a.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "If Americans really wanted Obamacare there wouldn't be a law that forces them to buy it."

Why not face the truth? Far too many Americans would be total deadbeats if left alone to make decisions related to taking responsibility for their own lives.

We know that there are so many fine Republicans, Tea Partiers, oh..and let's not forget Libertarians, AND all their groupies, who would readily pay income taxes if our system of taxation was voluntary, so I don't get why there are laws on the books to coerce Americans to file accurate returns.

Don't get me wrong. Lots of Democrats would suddenly become just as absent-minded if paying taxes were voluntary.

My point is simple; There used to be three universal facts of life. You breathe, pay taxes, and eventually die.

Between the goal posts in one's life when birth and death occur, along with paying taxes, every American will now have the responsibility arrange for the expense of maintaining their own health, whether they want to or not.

ObamaCare is just another new, fact of life for all Americans.

October 30, 2013 at 3:32 a.m.
fairmon said...

Chuck is often MIA when the wind direction is hard to detect. The laws consider a verbal contract just as binding as a written one. Recognize this? "This is one thing I guarantee, if you like your healthcare plan the way it is you can keep it, if you like the doctor you are using you can keep them, there is nothing in this plan that will interfere with that". Anyone experiencing otherwise should pursue enforcing the contract in court, good luck. Verbal contracts and probably written contracts with politicians appear to be worthless.

The affordable insurance plan may or may not be as wonderful as advertised but why not be honest when selling it and allow people to decide whether they support it or not based on facts.

October 30, 2013 at 3:44 a.m.
fairmon said...

Typical congressional hearing. Questions about what happened and who did it with nothing about a specific plan to get the damn web site working so people can get the over priced policy of their choice with high deductibles and coverage they don't need or want. Do you think Chuck may be busy helping get the web site working?

October 30, 2013 at 3:50 a.m.
alprova said...

jonesie, CGI Federal has been providing services to the U.S. government for 36 years.

http://www.cgi.com/sites/default/files/cgi-federal-at-a-glance.pdf

Scroll down to the second page to view the list of Government clients that utilize CGI Federal. Most all of those on that list were established long before the Obama's were even on the radar.

The story of a no-bid contract being awarded to CGI because Toni Townes-Whitley and Michelle Obama attended college together, is just about the biggest load of crap offered to date by you Obama bashers.

"WHY is the press and congress letting them get away with this?"

Because your cut and paste article is totally fictitious.

The connection between Michelle Obama and Toni Townes-Whitley is nothing more than a coincident.

October 30, 2013 at 4:01 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, you're turning into a one-trick pony lately.

Has your current health care insurance, if you even have any, been canceled? Have you even tried to sign up to see what rates are available for you?

Or are your posts a parroting of what you have read that ObamaCare detractors have written?

October 30, 2013 at 4:08 a.m.
fairmon said...

The U.S. government has booked a loss of $9.7 billion on the nearly $50 billion bailout of U.S. automaker General Motors, according to a quarterly report to Congress on Tuesday.

In 2009, the U.S.Treasury extended $49.5 billion in loans to GM in exchange for $2.1 billion in preferred stock and a 60.8 percent equity stake. Treasury has since whittled down its stake in GM through a series of stock sales below the price needed to break even which resulted in the loss with more to come.

Government Motors will be back to the public trough in the next 5 years. Harry Reid says no budget deal without increased revenue and no spending cuts. Harry must know something tax payers don't. Or, he may just be a super wealthy senile old fart out of touch with the real world. He and McCain are two excellent examples of why there needs to be term limits and a compulsory retirement age.

October 30, 2013 at 4:10 a.m.
alprova said...

Don't worry Fairmon.

There are people working around the clock who are going to get the website fully functional in a few weeks.

I assure you that none of them are the likes of Chuck Fleischmann or any other politician, and if these people were interrupted long enough to sit in front of a panel of Congress members, where they would provide the details of what they are doing to fix the problems, I assure you, you would not have a clue to what they would be talking about.

Their specific plan I am sure, includes interfacing several different humongous servers and databases, debugging millions of lines of code, testing and retesting, until they get it right.

October 30, 2013 at 4:17 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

Or are your posts a parroting of what you have read that ObamaCare detractors have written?

Actually I saw the interview where the words this I guarantee were used to assure people that liked what they had could keep it etc.

He has been his own greatest detractor by running his mouth out of ignorance of the plans impact or to intentionally mislead people.

As you know I am anxious for the site to work as intended. I have been told my premium would increase and I will get something in the mail regarding next year this month. The Aetna CEO says they will increase premiums at least 20% and more in some cases.

October 30, 2013 at 4:22 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon, I thought you were an investment wizard.

GM stock is performing very well, and has been.

One year ago, it was sitting at 23.39.

Today, it sits at 36.06

One year projection is 46.93

GM is doing fine....

October 30, 2013 at 4:25 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Actually I saw the interview where the words this I guarantee were used to assure people that liked what they had could keep it etc."

So what? It should be quite obvious to those who do not choose the insurer or who do not pay the entire premium for their coverage, that such a promise NEVER pertained to them.

"He has been his own greatest detractor by running his mouth out of ignorance of the plans impact or to intentionally mislead people."

He did not intentionally mislead people. Was it a poorly delivered promise, offered without obvious disclaimers? Of course it was.

When in the history of this nation, have employees dictated to their employers, their benefit packages? When have policy holders ever been in any position to prevent an insurance company from canceling an insurance policy?

ObamaCare offers high deductible plans that will offer far more coverage to those who can afford them. It's a win/win for those who currently have sub-standard policies.

This entire crap about that promise makes me think of a warning I once saw in a men's restroom over a urinal.

"Please don't eat the big white mint."

Most people would find it humorous, but you know that somewhere, at some time, someone probably tried to eat one.

There are obvious reasons why that promise does not pertain to every single person who currently has or had health care insurance prior to the first of this month.

"As you know I am anxious for the site to work as intended. I have been told my premium would increase and I will get something in the mail regarding next year this month. The Aetna CEO says they will increase premiums at least 20% and more in some cases."

You have, I assume, a pre-ObamaCare insurance policy. No one promised that premiums for those type of policies would decrease.

You have every reason to wait a few weeks, and to then check out the ObamaCare website, sign up, and view your options.

When you do that, I hope that you will honestly report your findings, because I am betting that you will find something better than what you currently have, at a competitive rate to that which you are currently paying for coverage.

ObamaCare is not going to serve everyone with discounted rates. If you earn above 400% of the poverty line, you're probably not going to find the best rates and you will not qualify for any subsidies.

But then, if that is the case, you are one who can definitely afford the health care insurance you so desire and you're just going to have to suck it up.

October 30, 2013 at 4:50 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "The U.S. government has booked a loss of $9.7 billion on the nearly $50 billion bailout of U.S. automaker General Motors, according to a quarterly report to Congress on Tuesday."

A year ago, people were whining because the loss was projected to be $15-$25 billion.

If GM had not been salvaged, at taxpayer expense, the costs to provide unemployment compensation claims for upwards of a million people, by the time it would have filtered down to GM suppliers, spaced out over a couple of years, would have been staggering.

$9.7 billion is pennies on the dollar, compared to what this nation would have spent.

And...GM stock is performing very well, given that the economy is still in the trenches, but slowly improving.

October 30, 2013 at 5:05 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said....

If GM had not been salvaged, at taxpayer expense, the costs to provide unemployment compensation claims for upwards of a million people, by the time it would have filtered down to GM suppliers, spaced out over a couple of years, would have been staggering.

They could have had a structured bankruptcy like K-Mart did years ago. They never had a lay off or closing with a bankruptcy judge over seeing the restructuring. Their stock holders, bond holders and creditors lost 100% of their investment, new shares were issued and sold. The new K-Mart stock increased to the point they bought Sears. The government was protecting stock holders and the union not the GM operation. Once that was accomplished GM did bankrupt.

alprova also added...

People were complaining that the loss would be $15-25 million.

It will, they are not through selling a lot of stock and say it will be sold by March of next year and that will be at a loss.

October 30, 2013 at 6:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

When in the history of this nation, have employees dictated to their employers, their benefit packages? When have policy holders ever been in any position to prevent an insurance company from canceling an insurance policy?

Better questions would be when in the history of this nation has the government dictated to employers the healthcare insurance they will provide their employees? When has a government intervention caused so many healthcare insurance policies to be canceled? When in the history of this country has there been a tax imposed for not making a purchase?

October 30, 2013 at 6:48 a.m.
degage said...

The outrage over spying on other countries is stupid, anyone with half a brain would know Germany, Russia, Spain, France etc are spying on us right now and we are spying on them. The only problem I have is Obama saying he didn't know we were spying.

October 30, 2013 at 6:50 a.m.
joneses said...

Obama, The Liar in Chief.

Report: Obama administration knew millions would be forced to change insurance

And now the dummycrat talking bubble heads are instructed to blame the cancellations on the insurance companies. What the talking bubble heads do not know that a provision was put in obamacare saying that if one word or period was changed in a private insurance policy that policy became exempt from being grandfathered in and obamacare dictated that existing insurance policies had to be changed to meet the minimum requirements of obamacare. Obama wanted these insurance policies to be canceled to move to a single payer system. So this is the insurance companies fault? It never was an issue before obamacae so obama and all the fools that voted for him are to blame. The Liar in Chief obama has struck again.

October 30, 2013 at 7:25 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

GM stock is performing very well, and has been.

One year ago, it was sitting at 23.39.

Today, it sits at 36.06

One year projection is 46.93

GM is doing fine....

Projections are wrong more often than right but both prices would still result in a loss since the government needs to get at least $50 or more per share to avoid a loss. GM stock was much higher when the downward spiral started people were buying it and losing money as it went down. Some sold it short and made a fortune.

alprova said...

Fairmon, I thought you were an investment wizard.

Not by a long shot and never claimed to be. I did not and will not buy GM stock. I have losses but keep a tight trailing stop on any purchase and take a small loss instead of watching and hoping. Hope is not a good investment strategy. I did buy a thousand shares each of a well known insurance company and a drug company a few days after the AHA passed. One has doubled and the other is up near 3X and dividends are around $200 per month. If they don't keep going up or if they drop 10% I will sell.

October 30, 2013 at 7:27 a.m.
joneses said...

Of course GM is doing well. They received a 50 billion dollar no interest loan from the government. If I could get a no interest loan my balance sheet would look good as well. I do not buy union made crap as every time one buys union made crap they are contributing to the dummycratic party that is destroying America.

October 30, 2013 at 7:59 a.m.
soakya said...

our tax system is based on voluntary compliance. a person who has worked as a CPA for years would know this.

October 30, 2013 at 8:01 a.m.
joneses said...

Harry Reid said income taxes are voluntary. Another Obama liar.

October 30, 2013 at 8:09 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova:

I welcome your challenge to refute you, you are just so wrong on so many things you have said. Therefore it will take some time to refute you. If you would think about your most egregious errors and concede that you were wrong or that you set out to deceive it might save you some embarrassment.

Here is one example:

"What does anyone truly know about God? God is omnipotent."

Look that one over and consider if there are errors in your thinking.

October 30, 2013 at 9:07 a.m.
riverman said...

So a guy who gets a degree in crayons from Sand Mountain Vocational school calls someone who graduated from the University of Illinois and UT Law School dumb?

October 30, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
degage said...

conservative, Knock it off!

October 30, 2013 at 9:21 a.m.
tifosi said...

joneses worst nightmare just won't end.

GREAT STUFF!!!

October 30, 2013 at 9:35 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

alprova said...

"dd, how did you become aware that Andrew receives food stamps?"

Lohr stated that as fact on this forum.

October 30, 2013 at 9:41 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Congressional Hearings are only as good as the questioners. Rare to hear a quality inquisitor. From either side. All play to the camera.

October 30, 2013 at 9:42 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

Beautiful cartoon, very good satire.

October 30, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.
ibshame said...

"riverman said... So a guy who gets a degree in crayons from Sand Mountain Vocational school calls someone who graduated from the University of Illinois and UT Law School dumb?"

So you think just because Chuckie has a UT Law School degree it doesn't make him dumb? LOL The only thing Chuckie has going for him now is the fact "the powers that be" haven't turned on him yet. If "heir apparent Wamp" had any experience at all the last time around he could have beaten Chuckie. LOL

Lamar Alexander faces primary opposition from a teabagger. It's going to be interesting to see just how far to the right he will trek in order to beat the teabagger. Bob Corker's greatest challenge in getting elected the first time was against Harold Ford, Jr. a Democrat Conservative from Memphis. Ole Lamar's greatest challenge this time around is going to come from within his party on the far right of nutsville. LOL

Just before Ole Lamar starts treking to the far right to appease the teabaggers, he might want to consider the fact Memphis, Nashville, Chattanooga (just to name a few) all have Democratic Mayors. If he goes too far off into la-la land with the teabaggers he's going to give his DEMOCRATIC opponent a chance to beat him in a statewide election. Chuckie doesn't have that problem all he has to worry about is when the Dems finally find someone strong enough for "the powers that be" to say, o.k. Chuckie time to go, you've served your purpose. LOL

October 30, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

riverman said...

"So a guy who gets a degree in crayons from Sand Mountain Vocational school calls someone who graduated from the University of Illinois and UT Law School dumb?"

Just like GWB.

George W. Bush, Education: Harvard Business School (1975), Yale University (1968), The Kinkaid School, Phillips Academy

October 30, 2013 at 9:45 a.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

ibshame said...

So you think just because Chuckie has a UT Law School degree it doesn't make him dumb? LOL The only thing Chuckie has going for him now is the fact "the powers that be" haven't turned on him yet. If "heir apparent Wamp" had any experience at all the last time around he could have beaten Chuckie."

Except Weston Wamp is dumber than Chuck on his worst day and has no experience at anything except privilege.

Look at Zach. His elevator never reached the third floor, much less the penthouse. Weston Wamp's editorials wouldn't past muster in middle school.

The Wamps are easily controlled by corporate interests. Neither have the brains for independent thought. Neither had any type of record before running for office, unless you count Zach's criminal record.

An intelligent Republican could beat Chuck the next time out, but where do you find one that's not up to his/her ears in the Tea Party religious BS and pro-military/corporate imperialism?

October 30, 2013 at 10:12 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Someone explain how House hearing serves any purpose. Left says one thing, R says the other. WTF? I'll hang up and listen.

October 30, 2013 at 10:18 a.m.
joepulitzer said...

alprova: "Far too many Americans would be total deadbeats if left alone to make decisions related to taking responsibility for their own lives."

AND THAT, AMERICA, IS THE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT PHILOSOPHY IN ONE SENTENCE, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS QUICKSAND MESS TODAY AND SINKING DEEPER THE MORE WE STRUGGLE.

October 30, 2013 at 11:12 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Kathleen Sebelius: "The website has never crashed. It merely stopped working". The way the Titanic merely stopped floating.

October 30, 2013 at 11:14 a.m.
alprova said...

soakya wrote: "our tax system is based on voluntary compliance. a person who has worked as a CPA for years would know this."

Volunteer not to file for a few years or under-report what you earn against what is sent to the IRS, and you'll find out how voluntary it is.

Ask actor Wesley Snipes how voluntary our system of taxation is.

October 30, 2013 at 11:19 a.m.
jesse said...

I was wonderen about that myownself Al.

October 30, 2013 at 11:22 a.m.
alprova said...

joepulitzer wrote: "AND THAT, AMERICA, IS THE LIBERAL DEMOCRAT PHILOSOPHY IN ONE SENTENCE, WHICH IS WHY WE ARE IN THIS QUICKSAND MESS TODAY AND SINKING DEEPER THE MORE WE STRUGGLE."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=4vnsAqYqSyQ#t=0

October 30, 2013 at 11:31 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova:

Have you seen any errors in your:

"What does anyone truly know about God? God is omnipotent."

Do you see any conflict with that statement from a professing Christian?

October 30, 2013 at 11:51 a.m.
BigRidgePatriot said...

I guess when you don't have a point you resort to trying to discredit those with an opposing viewpoint. But when has Bennett ever had a point?

October 30, 2013 at 12:03 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Bennett a one-trick pony.

October 30, 2013 at 12:12 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

Conservative brought it up, so here's the answer about Jehovah's omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience.

Bible-Thumpers beware! Make sure you have 911 and Billy Graham on speed dial in case of apoplexy before viewing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=U6-zi25GgVE

October 30, 2013 at 12:17 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova:

I still have not seen any statement from you about your plagiarism.

October 30, 2013 at 12:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

🚫 ^^^^^^

October 30, 2013 at 12:29 p.m.
jesse said...

Hey P.T. In case ya ain't noticed here's a heads up for ya!!

EVERY BODY ON THE PLANET is a ONE TRICK PONY!!!

Me ,you.Al and anybody else ya wanta name!!

Ya NEED to get OFFA con man's band wagon! He's a mental case and a loony to boot!

October 30, 2013 at 12:35 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

jesse. Ol PT ain't on conman's wagon. by any means.

October 30, 2013 at 12:42 p.m.
jesse said...

DD ,You and con man need to get together and seek therapy!You all are like the two sides of a coin!Like ya afraid one of ya's gonna get a POINT on the other!Con man is just like you ONLY espousing an opposite view! HE AIN"T a bit more screwed up than you!THINK ABOUT IT!!!

October 30, 2013 at 12:47 p.m.
jesse said...

Sounds to me like if they get on Al's ass your on their team!!

Al's an ass! BUT he ain't bat shat crazy!Con man is a lunatic!PERIOT!!

October 30, 2013 at 12:51 p.m.
alprova said...

I've been watching this morning's hearings and setting everything aside, there was no one, no matter how hard they may have wanted to try, who even came close to ruffling Kathleen Sebelius's feathers.

I see now why The President is standing by her.

Grandstanding is the best description of the demeanor of all those who leveled both barrels on her.

Keep up the hate Republicans. It will only deliver the next election into the hands of the Democrats.

October 30, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Have called several times to boycott con's ass. Don't know where you've been, jesse.

October 30, 2013 at 12:57 p.m.
degage said...

Jesse, You are so right, DD and conservative are just the same. I think Al, has finally decided to ignore them. DD rants as much against religion as Conservative rants for it.

October 30, 2013 at 1:02 p.m.
jesse said...

P.T>? Is not your 12:29 POST pointing KUDO's to con mans post??

We got CRAZIES all over the map on here,LEFT AND RIGHT !Who y7a gonna stand with!

Got maybe 4 rational thinkers on here!Gonna have to sortum out for your self!!

BTW: Al and con man and dd ain't one ofum!!

October 30, 2013 at 1:19 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

No, it means 🚫 NO conman. I got no use for the fellow. He gives Christians a bad name.

October 30, 2013 at 1:25 p.m.
jesse said...

PT ? I assume that little b/s box means "KMA con man?Cause on MY screen it says otf-grb?? I beez gittin a LOT of them off your posts! WHAT ya runnin some kinda SECRET sh*t so we can't read your garbage???

October 30, 2013 at 1:34 p.m.
jesse said...

DEGAGE? Do you have any idea how many time's AL has declared he is thru w/con man??He can't help himself, IT'S an EGO thing!Al is fairly smart BUT has an ego prob!He can't stand for someone to even SEEM to be more knowledgeable on a subject than himself!It eats on him and has w/o his knowledge, turned him into "an insufferable ass"!He IS the "Fountain of Wisdom"At least in his own mind!!

October 30, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Garbage, Jesse? You in league with Alpo?

October 30, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
jesse said...

PT? Its ALL garbage! your,mine and Obamas! Just some of it is more so than others!!

Best thing i've found is try to live my life w/o EVER gittin PUCKERD UP!!

October 30, 2013 at 1:58 p.m.
MickeyRat said...

KOANJo (The King Of All Nut Jobs) pulled his pants down again and showed us his anti-American backside:

"I do not buy union made crap as every time one buys union made crap they are contributing to the dummycratic party that is destroying America."

I betcha you have a house full of Chinese - er I mean Communist crap...don't cha.

Lets see; you hate blacks, American workers, American products and anyone not in the 'Tea Party'. Who again is trying to destroy America?

You know the drill-----

October 30, 2013 at 2:01 p.m.

Nobody is more "MIA" than Obama. He attacks Washington as if he's not been there since '08. I don't know Fleischmann, but it's ridiculous to attach his intelligence. I haven't seen one speck of intelligence from Obama. He's just a political hack and an ideologue.

October 30, 2013 at 2:08 p.m.
alprova said...

jesse, a negative assessment from you is a badge of honor.

Do you really believe that you come across as someone who is an authoritarian of intelligence?

October 30, 2013 at 2:10 p.m.
prairie_dog said...

This kind of attack on people is no different from back in the days when the same sorts of stereotypical impressions and labels were placed on members of minorities.

The fact that this cartoonist disagrees with a member of Congress is no evidence whatsoever of a lack of intelligence.

October 30, 2013 at 2:13 p.m.
alprova said...

zableedofisterix wrote: "He's just a political hack and an ideologue."

Your opinion is noted for the record. Now for some reality...

Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America.

That Sir or Madam, is much more than you will ever be.

His name will appear in history books for at least the next 500 years.

Your name, once you die, will get maybe a couple of paragraphs in a few local papers, and that's it.

Carry on...for all that it matters.

October 30, 2013 at 2:16 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Well that was pretty useless, Alpo.

October 30, 2013 at 2:20 p.m.
jesse said...

AL, I don't have to. ya just keep on keepin on and every one will figure ya out! Nuttin to me!

October 30, 2013 at 2:23 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

Those close to the president say that Obama hasn't even thought about dumping Sebelius. "He is interested in solutions, not scapegoats," says top advisor Valerie Jarrett.

That woman is absolutely insane if she thinks people are going to buy that load of crap when Obama has thrown his own grandmother under the bus. At least he has thrown thousands of his closest friends and advisors under there to keep her company. The sign on his desk reads “The Buck Stops Over There” and his favorite saying is “What Me Worry ... I Wasn’t Aware.

October 30, 2013 at 2:48 p.m.
conservative said...

alprova:

Here word for word are the word's that you plagiarized from the Wickedpedia website:

"It has no special traditional religious significance, and traditional Jews and Christians do not regard it as having any distinction from any other part of the Book of Leviticus"

Now, why did you think you could bamboozle me and with a lie at that?

October 30, 2013 at 3:15 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America.

George W. Bush - President of the United States of America 2001 - 2009

That Sir or Madam, is much more than you will ever be.

Ditto for about half a billion Americans alive or dead and their lives are/were of lesser value? ... Right?

His name will appear in history books for at least the next 500 years.

Your name, once you die, will get maybe a couple of paragraphs in a few local papers, and that's it.

At least the “common rabble” will not be excoriated for evil deeds that were responsible for the massive damage they did to this country

Carry on...for all that it matters.

Life is such a waste of time, effort, and oxygen if your not of the Fleabagger flavor ... Right?

October 30, 2013 at 3:18 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Alpo is like the manager of the sewage treatment plant. He tell complaining neighbors that what they're smelling is not scat.

October 30, 2013 at 3:24 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

degage said...

"Jesse, You are so right, DD and conservative are just the same. I think Al, has finally decided to ignore them. DD rants as much against religion as Conservative rants for it."

That is incorrect. I'm not against religion per se; I am against fundamentalism where a literal interpretation of some scripture and/or religious authority is applied in the world as a reality.

Whether that fundamentalism is Christian, Muslim, Judaic, or otherwise is of no consequence.

There is much insight in terms of thought to be found in religion, but as metaphor — not as reality.

Buddhism, Hinduism, liberal Christianity, Reform Judaism, when viewed as perceptions of the human condition have many valid insights.

But fundamentalism, particularly the type espoused by Conservative, Orr, Caddy, and others (Southern Baptists, Evangelicals, Pentecostals, Mormons, Opus Dei, for example) where their beliefs are to be accepted as literal fact, science, history, and morality, are dangerous and antithetical to progress for humanity.

If George Bush is to be believed, he thinks a god, Jehovah, told him to invade Iraq. Hitler believed he was doing a god's (Jehovah's) work. Inquisitors believed they were doing a god's work. Finding and torturing suspected "witches" was a god's work. Lynch mobs believed that they were doing a god's work by hanging blacks from trees and train trestles. Killing homosexuals is believed by some to be a god's work.

All these actions are the work of religious fundamentalists, however extreme, by taking myths and making them into a twisted reality.

Fundamentalism doesn't ask you to think. It asks you to blindly believe.

While my actions may offend by my directness and certain disdain for fundamentalism, there is a universe of difference between Conservative, Orr, and myself.

I don't ask anyone to believe what I say. I do ask people to think. Reach your own conclusions.

October 30, 2013 at 3:48 p.m.
ibshame said...

"Jt6gR3hM said... alprova said...

AL: Barack Obama is the President of the United States of America.

Tudumb: George W. Bush - President of the United States of America 2001 - 2009

Maybe you never heard of past and present tense. George W. Bush was the President, He is now the EX PRESIDENT. BARACK OBAMA IS THE PRESIDENT. Although this time last year the teabaggers, right wing nut jobs, neo-con wannabes and the rest of the losers had all predicted Barack Obama would not BE the president after the November election. LOL

AL: That Sir or Madam, is much more than you will ever be.

TuDumb: Ditto for about half a billion Americans alive or dead and their lives are/were of lesser value? ... Right?

AL: His name will appear in history books for at least the next 500 years.

And that's the part that really gets the teabaggers, right wing nut jobs and all the rest of the losers all twisted up. They had really thought President Obama was only going to be a one-term President and now all they have to hang their hopes on is the fact they hope the Affordable Care Act will fail because when it succeeds they know not a single one of them will be able to take any credit for its success. In fact the history books will only tell the story of how they did everything in their power to stop it and they failed. Just like they failed in their efforts to make him a one-term President.

TuDumb: At least the “common rabble” will not be excoriated for evil deeds that were responsible for the massive damage they did to this country

No, the "common rabble" definitely didn't do the damage to the country as did George W. Bush. However, they had to suffer the consequences of the damage.

AL: Carry on...for all that it matters.

TuDumb: Life is such a waste of time, effort, and oxygen if your not of the Fleabagger flavor ... Right?

Teabaggers aren't a waste of time. No, they serve a purpose - Comic relief if nothing else.

October 30, 2013 at 3:59 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah, Shame. Then there's tragic relief. Provided by your ilk.

October 30, 2013 at 4:15 p.m.
fairmon said...

Why did the democrats not vote in the public option they say they prefer thus leaving everything else alone? Surely it was not due to their friends and supporter in the insurance and pharma field.

October 30, 2013 at 4:19 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

I know many people personally who depend on the Gov't for their day to day sustenance, who seem to support the party most likely to turn their backs on them.

If you are referring to your family and friends that are capable of earning a living yet won’t do so I can see where you are coming from. Your writings give off the air of someone who would attract or be a part of people with such attitudes.

However if you are talking about the oldest and richest segment of the population but yet get a government check and healthcare coverage I would take issue. Many of those people have more concern for the country’s future than you do. They realized that the country can’t sustain the huge debt burden for much longer and that their “government largesse” adds the largest segment to it. They realize that their segment of the population and the wealthiest one is going to have to start receiving less of the government budget. Maybe your friends and family should adopt the same attitude and vote Conservative but not necessarily Republican .... If you know what I mean ... and get a job?

October 30, 2013 at 4:36 p.m.
fairmon said...

alpro said..

You have, I assume, a pre-ObamaCare insurance policy. No one promised that premiums for those type of policies would decrease.

I am not looking for a decrease I would be thrilled if the increase is reasonable and it isn't canceled. The only people benefitting from this red herring are insurance and drug companies. But,

I repeat, I want the AHA all in and the sooner the better. I will find a way to handle it and I will not be asking you to share your success or anyone else.

alpro says...

Why not face the truth? Far too many Americans would be total deadbeats if left alone to make decisions related to taking responsibility for their own lives.

A little condescending from an elite cultured North Georgia boy. A lot like "we need a King" to decide for most of us. I wonder if the ongoing support instead of an incentive such as hunter has anything to do with it? How many other programs will be needed to protect the ignorant from themselves and to keep more and more from becoming dependent deadbeats.

October 30, 2013 at 4:47 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Liar in Chief == No mas pantalones

October 30, 2013 at 5:31 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "A little condescending from an elite cultured North Georgia boy."

It's not condescending at all. Is it not the truth that the party that once stood for self-responsibility has turned their back on what used to be a plank in their platform?

If ever there was an issue that should be embraced by both political parties, that is it.

Helping those with scant resources should include at the very least, a little bit of effort on their part to receive the assistance they feel they deserve.

After all, you don't see the CEO's of Corporate America merely sitting on their haunches waiting for Congress to vote for their chosen form of welfare, do you?

"A lot like "we need a King" to decide for most of us."

Regarding health care, for at least the last three decades, far too many Americans have been shut out of the system. Republicans have had ample opportunity to get off their collective asses and do something about it and they have not.

The Democrats have done something and time will tell if it will work.

In the meantime, those opposed to the health care reform for those who need it are flapping their wings and little else.

What the hell has happened to America? This nation rose from the ashes that were left after the Civil War to become a unified super-power that no one could reckon with.

Fast forward 150+ years, and all people can do is fuss, fight, and turn their backs on each other like children on a playground.

October 30, 2013 at 5:59 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Yeah. More programs. That's the ticket.

October 30, 2013 at 6:14 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

What the hell has happened to America? This nation rose from the ashes that were left after the Civil War to become a unified super-power that no one could reckon with.

That is an excellent question. They did not have a government interfering in free commerce, confiscating from some and none form some. They had farms and jobs making things and selling them for a profit until their government began confiscating from their employers to the point a large number of them moved out of the country. Whatever happened to of the people, by the people for the people?

Who objected to a public option? Special interest. Government owns and competes with private enterprise in other sectors, why not the public option, contracted out by the government, for healthcare?

October 30, 2013 at 7:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

More money, more departments and more government employees is the consistent answer to every issue and it will accomplish something. What is needed is to tax those awful profit making businesses but not their highly paid CEO's and management.

October 30, 2013 at 7:08 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

The Dear Leader mentioned a couple times today something to the effect that "we're all in this together".. no one has ever done more to accomplish the exact opposite.

October 30, 2013 at 7:41 p.m.
daytonsdarwin said...

alprova said...

"What the hell has happened to America?"

US Imperialism in Spanish-American War when military was first used as corporate mercenaries. Woodrow Wilson, WWI and the Treaty of Versailles. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. Neo-cons, unlimited backing of Israel, military/defence suppliers, a bought and paid for Congress in both parties.

Instead of United States Marine Corp, it's the Unregulated System of Mercenary Corporations on land, sea, and air. Death has never been so profitable.

October 30, 2013 at 7:58 p.m.
limric said...

A round of applause Daytonsdarwin

Well said. American 'exceptionalism' at its ...

October 30, 2013 at 10:07 p.m.
facyspacy said...

What ever takes the focus off Obama care! My favorite lie so far got 4 Pinocchios,"if you like your plan you can keep your plan." I know I know. The GOP made him say it

October 31, 2013 at 12:25 a.m.
anniebelle said...

spacy, you're a typical faux non-news watcher. Distort and mislead anytime possible. This is a huge transition we're making with actual health care policies that cover your expenses and don't kick you out once you file a claim. Your plan is grandfathered in unless your insurer explicitly makes it worse by jacking up your deductible or otherwise monkeying with your coverage in an attempt to screw you, which is the basic stated business model of insurance companies before the ACA. "Who knew".

October 31, 2013 at 5:36 a.m.
fairmon said...

Chucky must be busy raising campaign funds or working on his proposal for term limits for members of congress since he knows he is a two termer. He is not in town hall meetings or other open to the public forums.

The president didn't lie when he said you can keep your healthcare plan if you like it. Those plans will be grandfathered in. Boldly and looking in the camera he said I can guarantee that if you like your plan you can keep it etc. etc. again and again he said that.

The act initially did specify those plans that people had and liked would be grandfathered in. However, the plan was later altered to say those plans with any changes would not be grandfathered which HHS has interpreted to include those with small insignificant changes. Congress, as is often the case, abdicated their responsibility by providing the administrators the authority to modify the act or make major changes without further congressional review and approval. Therefore, at last count, the 17 exceptions with exemptions, deferrals and other exceptions to the law including continuing to subsidize congress and their staff although they do not qualify under the act. The defenders of that action are quick to point out it is just letting them keep what they had. I see said the blind man, that is clear as mud with all those not allowed to keep what they had.

Congressional hearings are a waste of time. The questioners are inept and use their time grandstanding for the camera apparently trying to impress their supporters more than uncovering facts. They emphasize who instead of what and why something happened.

The AHA is going to happen. The sooner it happens the better off everyone will be. The uncertainty will be gone and people will know what has been done for them or done to them. Congress should be urged to get on with it and start insisting that all exceptions be repealed and the law fully implemented. The president has said the average savings per family would be about $2500, that remains to be seen and to have the D.C. funny math applied to make it true.

Those on Medicare think they are not affected. Not a fact, what is covered and how much is included plus the amount providers will be paid is revised resulting in some providers no longer seeing or not taking new Medicare patients.

October 31, 2013 at 5:55 a.m.
fairmon said...

anniebelle said...

Your plan is grandfathered in unless your insurer explicitly makes it worse by jacking up your deductible or otherwise monkeying with your coverage in an attempt to screw you.

anniebelle, the initial version did not include the except those with changes. What business is it of HHS if I still prefer what I have even if someone other than me thinks I am being screwed? Who are you to make that decision for me? I like my plan and I like my doctor and I am willing to accept plan changes and a higher premium to keep them. I was comfortable with the presidents promise but HHS hung him out to dry by modifying the wording in order to have more plans exempt from being grandfathered, why? Now you are telling me it is for my own good. You sound like a parent saying this whipping hurts me more than it does you but bend over and grab your ankles I am going to beat the hell our of you.

October 31, 2013 at 6:09 a.m.
fairmon said...

The stock markets may today and if not today it will soon start reflecting the true state of the economy. The fed is creating money and buying about $85 billion in bonds per month while the value of the dollar keeps sliding which does increase exports and make imports more expensive. Sounds good but the downside is not pretty. The trust people put in this academia heavy administration and lawyer laden congress to understand business and the economy is frightening. They are all about social issues and vote pandering with only token talking about creating decent jobs. Yes, that includes your party.

October 31, 2013 at 6:28 a.m.
degage said...

Annibelle has Obama's talking points down pat.

October 31, 2013 at 6:56 a.m.
anniebelle said...

And you right-wing nuts can cut the 'code' language now. We know when you say 'talking points' it means you've stumbled across some fact that doesn't suit your narrative. At least I don't get my 'talking points' out of Lush Limbo's toilet bowl.

October 31, 2013 at 7:50 a.m.
degage said...

Annie, did you listen to Obama's speech in Boston yesterday. Your rant was almost word for word from his speech. Maybe you should stop getting your info from Obama's toilet bowl.

October 31, 2013 at 8 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova;

I accept your challenge to refute you:

Your response to me "What does anyone truly know about God?" is just mind boggling.

How can a professing Christian make such an absurd claim?

October 31, 2013 at 8:05 a.m.
anniebelle said...

No, unlike you and probably 99% of the right-wing nuts, I've read the law several times. That's the rub with 'facts', they all come out the same way instead of distortions presented to you morons who are so gullible to vote against yourselves. Pitiful!

October 31, 2013 at 8:37 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

AntiBelle has acquired The Leader's perspective. That is, she lives in world where rhetoric overcomes reality. (alpo also infected). Belle, read this carefully. BHO's multiple proclamations with respect to "if you like…." were flat out lies. flat out. Period. (as he would say). Why not just admit it and stop trying to insult people with "what he really meant". You don't serve your cause well with your verbal gymnastics.

October 31, 2013 at 8:41 a.m.
fairmon said...

anniebelle said...

We know when you say 'talking points' it means you've stumbled across some fact that doesn't suit your narrative.

Anniebelle, I don't think your warped conclusions are talking points but may result from hearing or reading those of others. Your opinion that for my own good my policy that I like is being canceled is because of some very minor changes is ludicrous.

Why do you think it is in my best interest to not be able to set aside and maintain an account of $20,000 to cover any healthcare cost up to that amount with a policy that covers 80% of all cost above that up $100,000 then covering 100%? I know there will be an increase in a very low premium each year and certain items that I will never need are not included. In good faith I accepted your sugar daddies promises and guarantee I could keep it if I liked it so, tell me again without talking points how I am being screwed and why my it is in my best interest for my insurer to be considered as breaking the law if they allowed me to keep my current policy?

October 31, 2013 at 8:54 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Therefore, at last count, the 17 exceptions with exemptions, deferrals and other exceptions to the law including continuing to subsidize congress and their staff although they do not qualify under the act."

Sir, ANY employer is allowed to subsidize the cost of one's health care premiums. Under ObamaCare, EVERYONE who purchases a health care policy on the exchange will write the check for the final premium amount, but the source of the funds to write that check can include funds supplied by an employer.

The U.S. Government is the employer of Congress and their staff. Thus, they are required to purchase policies offered on Healthcare.gov website. The "subsidies" you are referring to are nothing more than contributions paid as part of their benefit package, just as they receive today.

"The defenders of that action are quick to point out it is just letting them keep what they had."

In terms of percentages of benefit augmentation that they received from their employer, that is 100% correct.

"I see said the blind man, that is clear as mud with all those not allowed to keep what they had."

Employers in the private sector are allowed to make their own decisions whether or not to keep their current insurance plan for all their employees or to drop it and offer something else, up to and including dropping sponsored insurance plans and merely offering a benefit package that only includes funds to be used to pay for the cost of health care premiums of a policy purchased on Healthcare.gov

This way, employees will not be tied to an employer to keep their health care coverage. Thus, the employee can hook up with another employer offering more money to be used for health care premiums.

What the hell do you care what people do, outside of your own environment?

You sure are raising a lot of dust over something that personally doesn't even affect you, or does it?

October 31, 2013 at 8:58 a.m.
fairmon said...

anniebelle said...

I've read the law several times. That's the rub with 'facts', they all come out the same way instead of distortions.

I question if you have read that stack of documents, about 2 ft high, that the head of HHS displayed in congress. How many pages have you read? Reading does not always result in comprehension but then you post opinions more often than full quotes from the law. Could you elaborate on what you consider distortions from me?

October 31, 2013 at 9:03 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

The U.S. Government is the employer of Congress and their staff. Thus, they are required to purchase policies offered on Healthcare.gov website. The "subsidies" you are referring to are nothing more than contributions paid as part of their benefit package, just as they receive today.

Their subsidies were eliminated in the bill that was passed the same as the grandfathered clause that was later modified to not allow as many.

October 31, 2013 at 9:08 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Those on Medicare think they are not affected. Not a fact, what is covered and how much is included plus the amount providers will be paid is revised resulting in some providers no longer seeing or not taking new Medicare patients."

Yeah, and Ted Cruz is pushing that stupid crap too.

The fact is that while there will be about a number of insurers that will drop their Medicare Advantage coverage, there will still be about 2,522 insurance companies offering such plans, and premiums for them have dropped nearly 10% since they came into being.

Growth in the numbers of those purchasing the plans has been steady at about 10% per year, with more than 14 million having purchased them.

Medical providers lover Medicare patients who have Medicare Advantage insurance in place.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/10/cruz-distorts-aca-impact-on-seniors-children/

October 31, 2013 at 9:11 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Why do you think it is in my best interest to not be able to set aside and maintain an account of $20,000 to cover any healthcare cost up to that amount with a policy that covers 80% of all cost above that up $100,000 then covering 100%?"

Kathleen Sebelius testified yesterday that catastrophic health care plans are most certainly available on the health care exchange, for those who so desire them.

Why not visit the website to do a comparison?

October 31, 2013 at 9:18 a.m.
fairmon said...

alpro said...

Employers in the private sector are allowed to make their own decisions whether or not to keep their current insurance plan for all their employees or to drop it and offer something else, up to and including dropping sponsored insurance plans and merely offering a benefit package that only includes funds to be used to pay for the cost of health care premiums of a policy purchased on Healthcare.gov.

Only if employers modify the plan to include all items and added cost in Obamacare whether employees want it or not such as Viagra and similar drugs. Most employer plans have a much lower deductible than those offered on the exchanges. Some are even viewed as Cadillac and subject to being taxed. Why are the unions and other groups now objecting and seeking an exemption? Why are the big three insurers UNH, Signa and Aetna withdrawing from exchanges?

I agree with the president "let's get this done" and stop all the exceptions.

October 31, 2013 at 9:22 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Their subsidies were eliminated in the bill that was passed the same as the grandfathered clause that was later modified to not allow as many."

That's absolute bunk. At no time was there ever any language prohibiting employers from offering any or all funds to be paid to an employee to be used to purchase health care insurance.

When the bill was first put together, the augmentations were in place for members of Congress and every other Federal employee who would have to convert to an ObamaCare policy, but there was no such language in it for Congressional staff members.

That was fixed earlier this year, and it has been referred to as "an exemption" by the Republicans.

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/08/no-special-subsidy-for-congress/

October 31, 2013 at 9:27 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Why not visit the website to do a comparison?

1-I do not want to provide all the personal information requested before I can look at the offerings.

2-I am confident what she considers catastrophic coverage and mine are very different. I quit trying to keep up with the changes and the bill which is difficult and boring to read but I don't recall any specifics regarding the subject other than the highest copays and deductible option.

3-I am still hoping and think I may be able to keep what I have with only minor adjustments and added cost.

October 31, 2013 at 9:32 a.m.
conservative said...

alprova:

Still no evidence from you that your "Holiness Code" appears in your or mine or anyone's concordance.

I'm calling you out as being dishonest in trying to justify Homosexuality and sodomy.

October 31, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

there was no such language in it for Congressional staff members.

True and it is indeed a fix like a ball game by gamblers that control the outcome. What is the difference in the results of a "fix", a modification or exemption?

This fix is inconsistent with the fix to reduce the number that could be grandfathered when wording was added after the president explained grandfathering and made his promises. I don't accept the allegation he lied and I believe the changes were made without his knowing it.

October 31, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Only if employers modify the plan to include all items and added cost in Obamacare whether employees want it or not such as Viagra and similar drugs."

Insurance companies make changes all the time to existing policies. If an employer is happy with their current insurer, the plan offerings will be upgraded to include the ten essential benefits required, which will be available to any or all employees, which is no different than it is today.

Insurance policies offered in the market this very day, offer coverage for medical care that some will never use, like pre-natal care, cancer, diabetes, etc.

It's there for any employee who needs it. If the employee doesn't need it, fine. No insurer of a group plan is going to offer ala-cart provisions to every single employee.

"Most employer plans have a much lower deductible than those offered on the exchanges."

And I'm sure that hundreds of thousands of employers will be negotiating aspects of their policies, just as they do about once a year currently.

October 31, 2013 at 9:40 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "I don't accept the allegation he lied and I believe the changes were made without his knowing it."

How refreshing it is to read that.

October 31, 2013 at 9:44 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

^^^^ Which is further proof of his cluelessness.

October 31, 2013 at 10 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

More edicts from the Reichstag :The White House is pressuring insurance companies not to speak publicly about Obama administration policies that could eliminate the existing health insurance plans of millions of Americans.

The administration made “clarifications” to the 2010 Affordable Care Act after it was passed that have already wiped out hundreds of thousands of existing health plans.

“Basically, if you speak out, if you’re quoted, you’re going to get a call from the White House, pressure to be quiet,” said CNN investigative reporter Drew Griffin on Anderson Cooper 360 Wednesday night. Insurance companies executives, Griffin said, ask heads of consulting firms not to criticize the Obamacare rollout debacle publicly.

October 31, 2013 at 10:06 a.m.
jesse said...

We are in an almost unique position to watch an entire administration flush itself down the toilet!The more they talk the DEEPER the hole gets!Obama is not only CLUELESS he is also so inept he has no idea what is in the process of going down! It's a shambles in the process of happening!

The rats will be hitting the ratlines shortly! I expect Al to be the last off the sinking ship!

October 31, 2013 at 10:19 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

Janet Napolitano, the president of the University of California, said Wednesday that $5 million would be devoted to providing special counseling and financial aid for students living in the country illegally, a move aimed at disarming critics who worried she would be hostile to the small but vocal student population. yeah, buddy. That's the spirit.

October 31, 2013 at 11:33 a.m.
inquiringmind said...

jesse, we survived Presidents Nixon and Bush the Younger, barely, so I think we are still OK with President Obama. BTW, I hear the tea party is loading the boats for Texas prior to secession, have you got your ticket yet?

October 31, 2013 at 11:37 a.m.
jesse said...

IQM, Ya have not a clue about where i'm commin from!Ya just wanta hang a tag on folks !I have NO sympathy for any party! They are all blowin smoke up yer arz and ya ain't got enough smarts to get a grip on it!Just keep believin all the B/S till ya sink into the muck! It's OVER ,they just ain't blowed TAPS over it yet!

BTW: if not for Watergate Nixon would have gone down as one of the greats!At least HE was in CHARGE!!

October 31, 2013 at 11:49 a.m.
PlainTruth said...

IQ: If you like your inquiring mind, you can keep your inquiring mind. Period.

October 31, 2013 at 12:11 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Insurance companies make changes all the time to existing policies. If an employer is happy with their current insurer, the plan offerings will be upgraded to include the ten essential benefits required, which will be available to any or all employees, which is no different than it is today.

You sound like Yogi Berra, "the more things change the more they are like they have been". What if they and most of their employees don't want the upgrades and added cost? Why was the individual grandfather option taken away if the change is made to include adding the undesired and not needed coverage? I am still trying to find the real reason Cigna, Aetna and UNH are backing away, have you seen the real reason and not some journalist best guess? The financial sources I use have been silent with no recommendations on those stocks. I tightened up the stop loss to protect the $28 and $37 per share gains but all are up again today.

October 31, 2013 at 12:59 p.m.
MarkB said...

Clay, maybe spend more time on comedic material and less on artistry. LAME

October 31, 2013 at 1:48 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

Why not face the truth? Far too many Americans would be total deadbeats if left alone to make decisions related to taking responsibility for their own lives.

Nearly all healthy adult Americans would be self - sufficient if they were left alone to accept the consequences of their decisions. As everyone knows, other than you Fleabaggers, subsidizing any activity produces even more of the same thus increased government “wealth redistribution” equals more deadbeats.

My point is simple; There used to be three universal facts of life. You breathe, pay taxes, and eventually die.

What happened to drinking, eating, pi$$ing and sh!ting

Between the goal posts in one's life when birth and death occur, along with paying taxes, every American will now have the responsibility arrange for the expense of maintaining their own health, whether they want to or not.

We had that responsibility at one time but then the government and employers entered the scene thus leaving the consumer of the care to have little concern as to the economics of that service.

Those consumers, that had little or no wealth, knew that they would receive care due to government mandates to hospitals. As a result many chose to not acquire coverage plus they also knew that any large medical debts could be too easily dumped through bankruptcy with little or no loss of wealth they didn’t have anyway.

However it was mandatory to disturb the healthcare coverage that the vast majority of people were happy with so as to deal with the above very small minority ... Wasn’t it?

ObamaCare is just another new, fact of life for all Americans.

It’s going to happen anyway so just lay back and accept it ... Right?

October 31, 2013 at 2:21 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said...

jonesie, CGI Federal has been providing services to the U.S. government for 36 years.

Scroll down to the second page to view the list of Government clients that utilize CGI Federal. Most all of those on that list were established long before the Obama's were even on the radar.

You mean just like Halliburton has been providing services to the U.S. government for many years?

The story of a no-bid contract being awarded to CGI because Toni Townes-Whitley and Michelle Obama attended college together, is just about the biggest load of crap offered to date by you Obama bashers.

The connection between Michelle Obama and Toni Townes-Whitley is nothing more than a coincident.

You mean just like Dick Cheney and his connection to Halliburton which got no-bid contracts?

October 31, 2013 at 2:22 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "What if they and most of their employees don't want the upgrades and added cost?"

What would they do today? Do without or go shop for their own insurance.

"Why was the individual grandfather option taken away if the change is made to include adding the undesired and not needed coverage?"

Insurance policies bought at the group level, and many sold to individuals, always include coverage that some will never use.

"I am still trying to find the real reason Cigna, Aetna and UNH are backing away, have you seen the real reason and not some journalist best guess?"

Why? Because they are probably headed by chicken wing flappers, who are firmly convinced that ObamaCare isn't going to work.

Wanna bet that they don't come running back to try and sell some policies in a few months, when it does take off?

October 31, 2013 at 2:42 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

Jesse I don't know if you were around in the Nixon era but Nixon did more harm to this country than can be imagined, and we are still bleeding from it. Rumsfeld, Cheney, and cronies created a cancer in the heart of America with their complete disregard on the right of any idea or pretense of the rule of law. It is called absolute pragmatism, or Machiavellian politics. Only the end matters, nothing else. That is why it was so important that the Senator from Canada got his comeuppance, and hopefully will continue to do so. Let's pull for eliminating the filibuster.

October 31, 2013 at 2:44 p.m.
Jt6gR3hM said...

alprova said ...

This entire crap about that promise makes me think of a warning I once saw in a men's restroom over a urinal.

"Please don't eat the big white mint."

Most people would find it humorous, but you know that somewhere, at some time, someone probably tried to eat one.

I know what you mean. You would think that no one would be stupid enough to remove a white disc from a urinal and eat it. However we know there are some that are so stupid but the error that the owner made was writing it out on a sign which assumes that the stupid can read. They should have done it in a graphic form.

We know the stupids are out there and they will do stupid things; as an example. Even though we know as a fact that Obama is a bald-face liar there are many stupids that can’t grasp that reality. We need to post, as a public service, graphic displays that remind people of that fact. I suggest a simple rendering of Obama with his mouth open and offering a heavily used urinal cake to the stupids* that are gleefully accepting it.

- *Fleabaggers

October 31, 2013 at 3:17 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

ALPO said The connection between Michelle Obama and Toni Townes-Whitley is nothing more than a coincident (sic).

PROOF!!!

October 31, 2013 at 4:13 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT, The connection between Michelle Obama and Toni Townes-Whitley is nothing more than a coincidence. Just like Alpo will say the connection between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers is nothing more than a coincidence.

October 31, 2013 at 5:24 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rick, depends on what is is.

October 31, 2013 at 5:32 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT, you have to love Holder's answer on what the difference is between lying and misleading Congress.

Rep. James Sensenbrenner asked Holder: “Tell me what's the difference between lying and misleading Congress, in this context?”

“Well, if you want to have this legal conversation, it all has to do with your state of mind and whether or not you had the requisite intent to come up with something that would be considered perjury or a lie," Holder said. "The information that was provided by the February 4th letter was gleaned by the people who drafted the letter after they interacted with people who they thought were in the best position to have the information.”

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/lying-holder-says-has-do-your-state-mind_611731.html

October 31, 2013 at 6:05 p.m.
rick1 said...

PT, I know you get a kick out of this one.

PETER ALEXANDER: Health and Human Services Secretary Kathleen Sebelius testified that the administration would not have reliable enrollment information until the middle of next month, which is why it will be provided then. I guess I’m trying to reconcile how there will be reliable information at the middle of next month when in fact the website won’t be finished until the end of next month, which is what they –

JAY CARNEY: Well –

ALEXANDER: Why –

CARNEY: Again, this is shorthand, so I hope you don’t use it in your thing because it misrepresents what we said. The website has been functional; it’s just been poorly functional. It has — people have submitted applications. I think –

ALEXANDER: It has not provided reliable information recently.

CARNEY: Well, the reliability issue has to do with the inputs coming from all different directions, including the — you know, the federal marketplaces but also states, also applications and enrollees — enrollments done by phone and by mail, as well as through in-person enrollment in these centers across the country.

So, you know, I think if you look at the middle of November as the time when you would release information that couldn’t be finalized before the last day of October, based on the kind of data that’s released for similar kinds of programs, that’s pretty standard practice. So you take it all in, you collate it. If you’re asking me will enrollment be low, the answer is yes because that was always going to be the case.

http://freebeacon.com/carney-the-website-has-been-functional-its-just-been-poorly-functional/

October 31, 2013 at 6:27 p.m.
fairmon said...

"I am still trying to find the real reason Cigna, Aetna and UNH are backing away, have you seen the real reason and not some journalist best guess?"

alprova respond with....

Why? Because they are probably headed by chicken wing flappers, who are firmly convinced that ObamaCare isn't going to work.

They contributed to the publicity fund promoting it to the public and assisted in writing the bill. Your probably is wrong since they are supporters of dem's. My guess, probably as wrong as yours, is it has something to do with the changes, exemptions, deferrals etc. and the same reason one of the key sponsors said it is a train wreck.

October 31, 2013 at 6:48 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Rick. It's as convoluted as an Alpo explanation. Must be the result of a rogue leftist chromosome.

October 31, 2013 at 6:58 p.m.
fairmon said...

"Why was the individual grandfather option taken away if the change is made to include adding the undesired and not needed coverage?"

alprova answered with....

Insurance policies bought at the group level, and many sold to individuals, always include coverage that some will never use.

What does that have to do with not grandfathering if the policy is in any way changed even if the changes were to meet the mimimum Obama requirements. I am familiar with some of those employer plans and they beat hell out of anything the exchange offers but may not cover Viagra, many do exclude it but any change and it is not to be grandfathered. The language in the bill was changed after the bill was passed to make the grandfather clause essentially impotent. The president was trapped by this also but he has not reacted publicly.

It makes one question the objective of some on the hill. Is to have government making all health insurance and health care decisions for people. I again think they are misleading the president who may sincerely want people to have good healthcare but their agenda is to make sure everyone buys insurance from their supporters.

October 31, 2013 at 7:01 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

I think John Q. American knows what coverage he needs more than some Washinton bureaucrat. Or worse, a politician.

October 31, 2013 at 7:14 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "ALPO said The connection between Michelle Obama and Toni Townes-Whitley is nothing more than a coincidence (corrected)."

"PROOF!!!"

I offered absolute proof. CGI Federal has been offering services to the U.S. Government for 36 years.

I already know you don't know how to copy and paste a link to a website. Do you know how to click on a link to read a website?

Again, the proof that CGI Federal has served the United States Government for 36 years can be found here;

http://www.cgi.com/sites/default/files/cgi-federal-at-a-glance.pdf

Scroll down to page two of that document to see the list of Federal agencies it currently serves.

October 31, 2013 at 7:42 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "PT, The connection between Michelle Obama and Toni Townes-Whitley is nothing more than a coincidence. Just like Alpo will say the connection between Barack Obama and Bill Ayers is nothing more than a coincidence."

Of course, you are free to post any and all proof otherwise.

I've posted the proof that CGI Federal has been serving no less than 15 arms of the Federal Government for 36 years.

If you want to dig up proof that Obama and Ayers are close personal friends, then surely out there somewhere, a photo exists of the two of them standing side by side.

The closest those two have ever been, was about 25 years ago, they both served on the board of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, where their discussions were limited to the business before the board.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/ayers.asp

October 31, 2013 at 7:54 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "What does that have to do with not grandfathering if the policy is in any way changed even if the changes were to meet the mimimum Obama requirements."

That Sir is a question you should be asking the insurance companies.

The one thing I know to be true is that no one is forcing the insurance companies to cancel existing policies. My best guess is that rather than to offer a dozen amendments, the insurers want to rewrite them from scratch and offer them at ObamaCare rates.

One will never know for sure if the refuse to visit the healthcare/gov site and sign up.

"I am familiar with some of those employer plans and they beat hell out of anything the exchange offers but may not cover Viagra, many do exclude it but any change and it is not to be grandfathered."

And my experience is quite the opposite. Most of the group coverage I have experienced was stripped down, had high co-pays, refused to pay for anything but generic meds, and offered very few physician choices. It was like pulling teeth to get a referral to a specialist.

I know the Federal exchange offers far better plans than what I ever had.

"The language in the bill was changed after the bill was passed to make the grandfather clause essentially impotent. The president was trapped by this also but he has not reacted publicly."

The kinds of policies that were most likely cut, were those offered by employers like fast food employers, which required employees to pay most of the cost for their medical care.

Those policies were like many dental plans. They might foot the cost for an examination once per year, but they paid next to nothing for any serious dental work.

There are many medical plans that are sold that are just as useless if someone winds up seriously ill or injured.

October 31, 2013 at 8:05 p.m.
alprova said...

Here's a thought and a challenge to all you critics of ObamaCare.

Can anyone name a website that has ever been launched, equal in magnitude in terms of expected or realized traffic, that rivals the healthcare.gov website, and that operated smoothly from the moment it was launched?

I don't think there has ever been a website that begins to compare.

October 31, 2013 at 8:14 p.m.
volsam said...

Al I'm not sure I know of one either right off hand,since the web has been around for a while,but I didn't see any one complaining about the early sites.If they didn't roll out successfully,for one thing it didn't cost me a dime and secondly if they rolled out a boondoggle like this they probably didn't stay in business very long.Maybe they should have had Amazon or Visa to lend some of their vast knowledge to help with the roll out instead of using Michelle Obama's buddy.That's crony capitalism at it's worst.

October 31, 2013 at 8:27 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Not about the website, Alpy. It's about a stingingly lousy product. And lie after lie.

As to the "proof", you proved only that the gubmint has done bidness with this outfit...How do you know there's no nexus between the 2 women?

October 31, 2013 at 8:30 p.m.
inquiringmind said...

This discussion is really about the cartoon that lampoons Mr. Fleishman. Here is a quote from the father (Cuban) of the idol of Re, Flieshman, thethe Senator from Canada (From CNN News): "A story by the left-leaning news organization Mother Jones highlights a series of newly surfaced videos that also feature Rafael Cruz calling the United States "a Christian nation," urging men to reclaim their place as the "spiritual" head of the household and lambasting the so-called "death panels" that some conservatives claim are in the President’s health care law.

The elder Cruz, a successful businessman turned evangelical pastor, and an immigrant from Cuba, along with his son, has become a hero among many tea party activists and social conservatives.

One of the most explosive statements comes from an April 2012 video, as his son was running for the Senate, and as the President was running for re-election.

"We need to send Barack Obama back to Chicago," Cruz urges. "Back to Kenya."

Maybe two others, one each to Canada and Cuba??

October 31, 2013 at 8:34 p.m.
volsam said...

I personally think it's time for all Americans to start taking responsibility for their own self and let the GOVERNMENT get the hell out of our life.If the Government would get back to doing their appointed duty's afforded through the CONSTITUTION like keep us safe and protect our food supply and EQUAL RIGHTS for all and promote self reliance maybe we could turn this entitlement mentality around in 1 generation.That would mean our elected BOZO'S would have to stop caving in and wussing out when it comes to the hard decisions.A safety net is one thing but a welfare state is a nation destroying proposition.The latest report say's that there are more people receiving Gubment cheese than are gainfully employed and that is a disgrace to us as Americans and as a developed country.To many takers and not enough makers.

October 31, 2013 at 8:45 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

Here's a thought and a challenge to all you critics of ObamaCare.

I don't think there has ever been a website that begins to compare.

That is two different issues. There are as many people that support Obamacare upset about the site as there are those opposing Obamacare.

An easier question to answer would be has anyone seen a failure of that magnitude on any web site of and size?

A lingering question is why can people not get their options simply by entering their age, number of dependents, zip code and income? Then, if they wanted to buy something proceed with the required information. That was the initial process until those in government changed the scope to obtain all the personal data including social security number before being allowed to look at the products. How many merchants require that before you can even look?

$23 billion of Medicare funds paid in error, some even to dead people. Gives you a good warm feeling about the same people managing the rest of the countries healthcare doesn't it?

October 31, 2013 at 8:54 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Too late, volsam.

October 31, 2013 at 8:55 p.m.
rick1 said...

Townes-Whitley and her husband even enjoyed “Christmas with the Obamas” at the White House in December 2010, according to a Facebook album created by Townes-Whitley.

Chicago-based blogger Maria Warren was also present. She wrote that she remembered watching Obama give a “standard, innocuous little talk” in the Ayers’ home.

The relationship between Ayers and Obama is deeper then sitting on a board together. Obama started is political career in Ayers living room.

“They were launching him,” Warren wrote, “introducing him to the Hyde Park community as the best thing since sliced bread.”

Al, I know you will spin all of this because in you believe anything and everything Obama tells you.

On another topic I know earlier you signed up for Pre Existing Health Insurance through The State of Georgia which was part of ObamaCare. You were kicked out because your condition was not covered and you were forced onto Medicaid or Medicare which you are waiting to kick in.

Why don't you know purchase a pre existing insurance plane through a private company since I understand they are not allowed to refuse anyone for any reason instead of going onto Medicare or Medicaid?

http://thedaleygator.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/terrorist-bill-ayers-confirms-that-his-friend-barack-obama-began-his-political-career-in-ayers-living-room/

http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/28/cgi-federal-executive-spent-christmas-with-the-obamas/

October 31, 2013 at 8:57 p.m.
volsam said...

Apparently someone doesn't remember the total wrath of the progressives that W Bush had to endure from the progressives and left wing wing nuts for 8 years, I guess that was ok huh.Don't get me wrong I'm NOT a Bush fan, either one of them, but one thing I can say about W is you never ever heard him whine and blame everybody else for his failures.Obama is a cult of personality no question.

October 31, 2013 at 9 p.m.
volsam said...

pt, your right not Enough Ted Cruz's and Mike Lee's around.The establishment Republicans are just as bad as the libs

October 31, 2013 at 9:04 p.m.
fairmon said...

alprova said...

There are many medical plans that are sold that are just as useless if someone winds up seriously ill or injured.

That is true and those should be upgraded or replaced. They are usually with smaller employers without the advantage of larger group rates. I admit most of those I referred to were large self insured employers. Employers will distance themselves ASAP once they know employees will not have a coverage gap. A savvy employer will use this opportunity to reduce cost by establishing a health care reimbursement account for employees and inform them of the annual amount available. In most cases the amount will equal what the penalty would be for not providing employee healthcare. They will in fact be providing it and will know and have lower cost.

Will government employees with a family of five including them be eligible for a supplement in addition to the 75% reimbursement by their employer the tax payers?

October 31, 2013 at 9:10 p.m.
joneses said...

Hussein Obama's ideas are almost as big of a joke he is. What are the dummycrats ashamed of? I will tell you. They are ashamed because of the foolish Liar in Chief they were suckered into putting in the White House.

Six.

That's how many people signed up for Obamacare on Day 1, according to CBS News, and no that's not a misprint.

The Obama administration has kept the number of enrollments close to the vest. Its touted the number of visitors to the troubled HealthCare.gov website – 4.7 million – but hasn't released the actual number of enrollments.

October 31, 2013 at 9:11 p.m.
joneses said...

Why are liberals against responsible government and massive government debt?

October 31, 2013 at 9:14 p.m.
volsam said...

jonses I think you spelled it out the other night.Clowerd and Piven and alinsky.They want to intentionally crash the economic system so they can replace it with their utopian state of socialism.The framers are rolling in their graves.

October 31, 2013 at 9:26 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Today's presser, Jay Carney finally tells the truth: "At no time was the Obama Administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing."

October 31, 2013 at 9:32 p.m.
volsam said...

pt, The operative words there are "AT NO TIME period

October 31, 2013 at 9:40 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sam, hahahaha

Dems, including those on this forum, should be damned ashamed of this administration. Period.

October 31, 2013 at 9:43 p.m.
volsam said...

pt, The worst in modern history bar none.It's funny I never tried to defend Bush when he spent to much.These Libs can't help their selves.Buyers remorse?

October 31, 2013 at 9:56 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Sam, they will NEVER admit it.

October 31, 2013 at 10:06 p.m.
GameOn said...

CBS News is reporting only 6 people signed up for Obamacare on the first day.

October 31, 2013 at 10:19 p.m.
volsam said...

pt, indeed.

October 31, 2013 at 10:20 p.m.
alprova said...

PT wrote: "As to the "proof", you proved only that the gubmint has done bidness with this outfit...How do you know there's no nexus between the 2 women?"

So what if there was? CGI was a Government Contractor loooooonng before the Obama's were even a household name.

Quite frankly, I'm surprised that some of you haven't concocted a conspiracy that CGI rigged the election and the national vote to propel Obama into office, given that their specialty surrounds databases.

October 31, 2013 at 11:41 p.m.
PlainTruth said...

Naw, Alpo. Although I'm sure that wouldn't bother you in the least.

October 31, 2013 at 11:46 p.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "A lingering question is why can people not get their options simply by entering their age, number of dependents, zip code and income? Then, if they wanted to buy something proceed with the required information."

That is a very fair criticism. And as far as I know, that's one question that wasn't asked during those hearings the other day.

"That was the initial process until those in government changed the scope to obtain all the personal data including social security number before being allowed to look at the products."

If I had to wager a guess, that last minute change may well have had to do with appeasing the Republicans who wanted a verification of income prior to applying for subsidies.

"How many merchants require that before you can even look?"

I can think of many merchants that require one to sign up before being allowed access to a website, but your point is a good one nonetheless.

"$23 billion of Medicare funds paid in error, some even to dead people. Gives you a good warm feeling about the same people managing the rest of the countries healthcare doesn't it?"

Your information is a little outdated. The Medicare system purchased software from IBM that has saved I believe close to $15 billion this past year alone in its ability to filter out fraudulent claims.

October 31, 2013 at 11:51 p.m.
alprova said...

rick1 wrote: "Townes-Whitley and her husband even enjoyed “Christmas with the Obamas” at the White House in December 2010, according to a Facebook album created by Townes-Whitley."

So what? CGI has been a Government contractor for 36 years. It's a coincidence and nothing more. If there was anything more to it, don't you believe that the Congressional Republicans would not have been jumping all over it?

"Chicago-based blogger Maria Warren was also present. She wrote that she remembered watching Obama give a “standard, innocuous little talk” in the Ayers’ home."

A blogger. A blogger? OMG!!! That's irrefutable proof alright!!

"The relationship between Ayers and Obama is deeper then sitting on a board together. Obama started is political career in Ayers living room."

PROVE IT!! This stupid rumor has been floating around for six years and not a shred of proof has surfaced to date.

"Al, I know you will spin all of this because in you believe anything and everything Obama tells you."

Apparently, you believe everything a blogger writes, if it in any manner bashes the man you appear to hate relentlessly.

"On another topic I know earlier you signed up for Pre Existing Health Insurance through The State of Georgia which was part of ObamaCare. You were kicked out because your condition was not covered and you were forced onto Medicaid or Medicare which you are waiting to kick in."

That's not quite right, but let's see where this goes...

"Why don't you know purchase a pre existing insurance plane through a private company since I understand they are not allowed to refuse anyone for any reason instead of going onto Medicare or Medicaid?"

Sir. I am an end stage kidney patient and have experienced eight strokes over a period of six months. End stage kidney patients are only qualified for Medicare. Even all the safety nets in ObamaCare do not qualify me for a policy of any kind from ANY insurer.

I have no option whatsoever but to enter the Medicare system.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.medicare.gov%2FPubs%2Fpdf%2F10128.pdf&ei=MilzUoaBKoW_sQT-8ICoBg&usg=AFQjCNGkUnRoFcsbe4KmBIBOUi3nxuyZIA&bvm=bv.55819444,d.cWc&cad=rja

Skip to page 6 to read why I have no other option. End stage kidney disease is an automatic ticket to disability and Medicare.

I'm not happy about it, but the two go hand in hand. Disability is automatic and so is Medicare. I am a stage 4 patient and will be added to the transplant list as soon as I am signed up for Medicare. I took all the education classes earlier this year and I am on standby.

November 1, 2013 at 12:17 a.m.
alprova said...

Fairmon wrote: "Will government employees with a family of five including them be eligible for a supplement in addition to the 75% reimbursement by their employer the tax payers?"

If their income threshold exceeds the 400% above poverty mark, which I believe is somewhere around $96,000 gross a year, they will not qualify for any additional subsidy.

If, after applying all income, they ARE under the 400% mark, then they will be entitled to a reduced additional subsidy.

November 1, 2013 at 12:27 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses, if the numbers haven't been released by the HHS as to how many people have signed up for ObamaCare, how is CBS in any position to know that only six people signed up on day one?

You'll believe anything, if it makes the President look bad.

November 1, 2013 at 12:30 a.m.
alprova said...

joneses wrote: "Why are liberals against responsible government and massive government debt?"

Why do you beat your wife and kids?

November 1, 2013 at 12:31 a.m.
alprova said...

"War room notes?"

CBS just entered the credibility realm of Fox News.

Typewritten no less....

November 1, 2013 at 12:38 a.m.
fairmon said...

joneses, if the numbers haven't been released by the HHS as to how many people have signed up for ObamaCare, how is CBS in any position to know that only six people signed up on day one?

Actually that came from the congressional committee in a White House document. However, that number means nothing. The number at the end of December will be critical.

November 1, 2013 at 12:46 a.m.
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